WEBVTT - Cameron Avery 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.360 It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.480 Claude Harmon. So when I started the podcast, the idea 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:10.520 was to get people obviously in the golf space. Players, caddies, coaches, 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:13.760 people that everybody kind of knows are in the golf space. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.000 But I also wanted to talk to people who aren't 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.280 necessarily golfers. They're in other walks of life, but golf 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.279 is a huge, huge part of their life. And so 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.040 I was down in Australia last week for the live 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.160 event in Adelaide and got to catch up with Cameron Avery. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.760 Cameron is the bass player for one of my favorite bands, 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.479 Team and Paula. I'm a huge fan. And Cameron was 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:40.200 a very very good competitive amateur golfer. He talks about, 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.520 you know, kind of thinking about going to play Division 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.320 I college golf in America, but chose to forge a 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.280 career in music. And like I said, Tam and Paula 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.280 they headlined Glastonbury a couple of years ago, a huge 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:55.360 band out of Perth, Australia. And I mean, this guy's 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.800 got a very very good golf swing, played in the 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.400 US mid Am last year and loves golf. He's doing 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.600 some stuff in the golf space. So these are the 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.520 kind of podcasts that you know, when you have your 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.640 own podcast, you can kind of bring on people you want. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.720 And Cameron, I'm a huge fan of what he does 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.800 in music and to get to talk to him about 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.000 kind of the merging of music and golf and kind 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:18.839 of that world that a lot of people are getting 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.400 into now content creation. So bass player for one of 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.440 the coolest bands around and loves golf and golf is 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.760 important to his life, So this is a cool one. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.920 And Cameron Avery. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.240 On The Son of a Butch podcast. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.600 Cameron, first of all, when I started doing this podcast, 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.760 the idea was to get people in the golf space. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.080 And one of the cool things about having your own 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.759 podcast is you can kind of do what the hell 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.440 you want. And so the fact that I'm actually going 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.480 to interview you and you love golf, but you're also 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.600 in Tam and Paula, which is one of my favorite bands, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.040 is just kind of surreal to me. I think we're 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.400 in a really interesting time in golf to where there 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:05.560 seems to be like a crossover between like music, fashion 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.919 and people like yourself that are you know, on tour 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.440 in huge bands. I mean the fact that you guys 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.919 played Glastonbury headline Glastonbury, but you're also a scratch golfer 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.400 and golf is a huge part of your DNA, the 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.200 mix of golf and music for you. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:23.360 What's that like? 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.600 Well at the beginning, in the beginning, it was only golf, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.639 like it was up until I was probably eighteen. That's 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.639 all I wanted to be. I used to like buy 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.320 these sort of like Diet Burbery shirts. I wanted to 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.840 be Adam Scott much to like the you know, the 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.040 DNA of like your DNA, literally your DNA. I used 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.600 to just I would lord over. I mean I had 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:45.640 the same blades as him. I wanted to be Adam 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.760 Scott and Tiger Woods until I was like sixteen or seventeen, 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.640 and then I didn't play for like ten years, and 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.960 then I went through a pretty weird time in my life, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.400 and golf sort of came back to me and sort of, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.639 I don't want to say like propped me up, right, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.280 but golf has this thing for me that it makes 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.120 me very self accountable, just sort of inherently because I 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.280 think there's no one else to blame, you know, the 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.359 allegory to life. I think is the most amazing thing 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.640 that I love about golf. That's the most amazing thing 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:12.880 I think take away from it. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.720 I think we all want to be Adam Scott, right, 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.760 I mean I think everybody. I mean, I've known Scotty 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.720 for a long time. My dad and I worked with him. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.800 You know, it's like sometimes I feel like he's a 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.240 member of the family, but he is just he's such 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.760 a unique character. And I think for those of us 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:32.040 that know him privately, as cool as everyone thinks he is, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.760 like he's even cooler because there's so many things that 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.400 he's into. The vintage Rolex stuff. You know, he's big 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.200 into fashion. He loves kind of anything vintage. He's into 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.400 ye and that's kind of my vibe. I know you're 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.880 big into that too. He's always been kind of at 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:53.240 the forefront of golf fashion, from Burberry to Acquascutum to Uniclode. Now, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.640 what do you think is kind of Scotty's style stuff 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:58.960 that everybody loves so much? 0:03:59.040 --> 0:03:59.880 It's he is. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.440 He has this thing, including his golf swing, including I 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.720 think the partnership, like the commercial partnership deals he does 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.520 with Rolex in Uniclo on Berby Before that he's just 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.600 utterly timeless. Everything he does, it's timeless, but somehow he's 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.880 timely as well, So like he's sort of pushing this 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.840 sort of yeah, and he's he's always stuck to his guns. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.200 He's never he's never followed a trend. He's always worn 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.480 the same kind of tailored pant and the kind of 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.160 a silhouette that he's always cut. You can tell that 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.400 he puts a lot of thought into that. And I 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:27.920 was surprised when I got to play with him last 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.960 year at Castle Pines. I was probably didn't give myself 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.000 enough credit for how nervous I was because Bussy, his caddy, 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.320 was like I knew Bussy and buscoes, hey mate, are 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.159 you playing? And that pro am tomorrow? He goes, what 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.240 do you want to play with Scotty and I was 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.839 like and I sort of was like yeah, sure, just 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.480 sort of like palmed it off, like yeah, this is 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:46.960 gonna be great. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.360 I'm gonna love this, and yeah. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.120 I didn't realize how nervous I would be on that 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.719 first tea because I was kind of like, you know, 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.640 it's been I didn't play golf for ten years, so 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.080 I was very much out of the golf community. But 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:56.600 then when he was sending in front of me and 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:57.840 I had to hit a t shot in front of him, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.960 I was kind of just like WHOA. But he definitely 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:02.800 has that aura, and I think it comes from his 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.080 attention to detail and his intention with his golf swing, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.080 with what he's wearing. Like you said with you don't 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.520 become a collector of vintage rolex Is unless your attention 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.320 to detail is you know, unless you very have a 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:16.600 very high attention to detail. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.120 And he's always kind of been this kind of international 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.080 amount of mystery. I mean the house in Switzerland, he 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.080 lives in the Bahamas. You know, he's married to a 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.200 Swedish you know, he used to have an appointment in Stockholm. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:30.719 He's always I didn't know he lived in New York. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.480 He justaid because I lived in Manhattan, and he's sort 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:33.760 of just going like he's like, oh, he used to 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.920 live there, and I was like what, so yeah, I 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.360 mean it's and I kind of love that, like I've 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.400 always you know, and I think it's in the age 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.120 of like social media. I think it's the opposite of 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:46.800 what we used to We used to love think about 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.200 rock stars or actors. We used to love when there 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.080 was a bit of mystery about them, you know. But 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.280 now these days people just stick cameras in front of 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.720 their faces every single day and broadcast themselves, you know. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.960 So I think it's kind of nice to have someone who's, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.920 you know, just lets his golf do the talking and 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.800 his brand identity and everything else that he does. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.720 He kind of follows the old school model of Hollywood, right. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.120 The worst thing in all Hollywood would be to be infamous. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.000 You were trying to be famous, and Scotty has always 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.680 kind of managed this kind of cool. He's he's I mean, 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.880 I was with him a couple a month ago in Dubai. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.839 I mean, like you said, he's timeless. He's aging well 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.440 and the golf swing is still amazing. 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.200 Getting better because I was looking, I mean, I was 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.800 just looking. I used to try and swing it like him. 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.359 I mean, I'm not as fit as I used to be, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:32.880 but there's a lot of sort of his DNA in 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.960 my golf swing and watching how compact his swing is 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:37.720 becoming now, because I remember he used to have that 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.280 really really long high left arm that sort of went 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.560 up near his chin, and now he's really flattened it 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.360 out and his right arm is a lot closer, like 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:45.920 his hand are a lot more in front of his body, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.960 and it's like he's getting stronger. I feel like, and 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.760 watching him hit balls for nine holes that day at 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.120 altitude was like with something else was incredible. I can't 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.680 believe the flight when it comes off the club base, Like, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.919 how is that possible? The optimal spin with his driver 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:02.920 or his mini driver or whatever he's carrying right now. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.440 And I think the other thing about Adam is there's 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.280 this like synergy with Roger Federer on the tennis side. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.880 You know, they're both role ex ambassadors. They've always kind 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.000 of done things kind of in a very very classy way. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.760 They're both uniclo ambassadors now and it's kind of like 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.680 they're the gold standard of Like I always say to 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.440 the young people that are playing professional golf for the 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.200 first time and they're starting out their career, I'm like, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.800 if you could model your career off of an athlete, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.200 especially in the golf space, Adam Scott would be a great, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:32.640 great person to do. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:33.640 Yeah, he's perfect. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.360 You mentioned that you took up golf and you probably 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.000 could have played division. Did you ever think of going 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.360 to the US and trying to play Division one college golf. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:42.400 Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.440 I remember there was some conversations I had with U 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.320 and LV and a little bit with there was someone 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.200 and at one of the uzzy ams that was my 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:53.040 grades were terrible. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:54.200 Let's get that out of the way. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.679 I was already kind of like goofing around playing guitar 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.280 a little bit and surfing every day. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:00.520 But yeah, I wanted to go. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.040 I mean my dream was to like get into a 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:07.320 Division one college team and play golf and then graduate 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:08.880 and then going to the PGA too. That's that was 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.560 everything I wanted to be. That was everything I can 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.520 think about, so definitely, and then I guess music sort 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.680 of just became this thing that like, I think I 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.720 also realized I wasn't a killer like I needed to be. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.880 And I think I read that you said that one 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.640 of the reasons why you didn't continue to pursue a 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.440 career in kind of professional golf is you looked at 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.880 the greatest players and they all have that kind of 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.280 killer instincts. Some of them wear that very much on 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.360 their sleeve, some kind of have that silent kind of 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.720 killer instinct. I think Scotty Scheffler has that right now. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.560 He's such a great guy. The way he lives his 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.480 life on and off the golf course. He's kind of 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.600 like the Tom Hanks of golf. But he is a 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.080 stone cold killer. If he has chances to win, he 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:49.560 is going. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:50.040 It in his way. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.640 He'd off he WIT's what I mean like, And I 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.439 kind of recognized that I had, like some pers I 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.640 used to play against Jason Scrivner. I played against Danny 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.280 Lee a couple of times, and I remember, like I 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.199 was like the I think it was like the Lake 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.720 Macquarie Championship somewhere in New South Wales, like I'd played 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.800 a really great couple of days. Can remember what I shot. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:09.520 I'm probably even or two one that I can't remember. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.320 Danny won by like eight shots, shot like ten under 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.760 or something like that, and just absolutely destroyed, destroyed the field. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.880 And I just was like, I'm watching his focus coming 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.880 up the fairway, and I was, you know, already having 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:21.320 a good time. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.120 And I love having my friends, and I just never 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:24.600 really I loved hitting great golf. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.760 Shots and I loved competing, But when I really came 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.560 down to it, I think I recognized that by the 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.360 time I was twenty one, twenty two, twenty three that 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.200 I didn't really have that like real killer thing that 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.800 I saw other people that other people had. And then 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.920 and music sort of just became you know. I think 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.600 I said to Brett Rumfort, I had to I felt 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.439 so nervous. I had to go to his you know, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.840 went around to his house and we went hit golf balls, 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:46.960 and the ranger I said, I don't know if I 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.480 want to do this, and he'd sort of reared me 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:49.880 from a very young age to play golf, and I 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.560 sort of looked at him, and I think I remember saying, like, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.959 I think I want to make things, not win things. 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.280 You know, like if I make a song or an 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.679 album or a film or or like something like, then 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.199 you know that's mine forever. Whereas I feel like someone's 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.120 gonna win that tournament next year, and I don't know, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.880 I just that's the way I thought when I was 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.680 seventeen or eighteen, and you know, up into my twenties, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.040 that's sort of Yeah. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.280 The Melville Glades Championship. You were supposed to play in 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:13.680 that big tournament. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.520 Yeah, I mean, like so there's this thing called how 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:16.040 old were you? 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:20.600 That was probably when I was twenty one or twenty two, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.280 and so I was already into the senior division and 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.559 there was this your state Packston Averages and I needed 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.520 to maintain a certain level to qualify for the West 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:34.120 Australian state team or qualify for playing interstate events and 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.080 things like that, and I just remember I was teetering. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.959 I was wavering on, like the golf thing, and then 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:41.880 I hadn't told Brett that I don't think I want 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.960 to compete anymore. I was trying to pick a job, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.920 you know, I was trying to I had these grand 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:48.440 ideas of I had to pick something that I had 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:49.560 to do with the rest of my life. And I 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.480 remember like Oasis was playing. It was like I think 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.120 it was one of their last shows. I'll have to 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.000 find out when exactly what year this was, because I 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:57.560 think it was like one of their last shows in 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.200 Australia before they broke up. And they were playing with 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.920 I want to say wolf Mother or either them on 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.280 kings Leon at this big vestival called Rocket in Jodle 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.679 Up and I remember just going like, yeah, I'm going 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.040 to go to the Oasis concert. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.160 So an Oasis concert instead of going and play an 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.319 amateur golf from Is that the one where Liam Gallagher 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.520 got arrested on the flight coming down to Australia. You 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:21.800 got arrested for drinking excessively on a flight, I think 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.240 on a virgin flight down to Australia. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.280 That's a weird thing to do between England and Australia 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.400 because I feel like at the Ash isn't coming to 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.680 talk about cricket now. I feel like they have competitions 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.560 who can drink the most amount of beers between here 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.720 in London. I don't I can't imagine. I mean, I mean, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.880 I don't remember that him getting arrested, but I'm not surprised. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.280 Back then, we'll get back to golf in a minute. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.360 Music. How did you get into music? 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.880 I guess it was my mom was a singer. My 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.840 mom sang on the boats. That's how she met my dad. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.840 My dad drove the boat, my mum sang on the boat. 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.760 My mom was a musician. What kind of it was 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.640 like in these wine cruises they have in Perth, they 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.600 have these like wine cruises and my dad drove the 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.880 boat and my mom sang on the boat, and that's 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:01.640 the really how they met. So my mom would do 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.280 these like floor shows at the end of the like 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:04.760 on the wine cruiser, when everyone had a bit to 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:06.200 drink that you drop them off at a winery. They 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.079 get a bit pissed and on the way back, my 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.440 mom would you know, start singing these sort of like 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.440 show tunes. I eventually got that job, by the way, 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.920 because I needed money when I was trying to be 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:16.600 a pro golfer. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:18.559 So you sing while you were trying to be a 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.679 pro golfer. Your singing a wine. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.520 Cruise, Yeah, I was singing on this little riverboat. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:24.160 riverboat cruise. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.560 What kind of music were you singing? 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.000 I can't remember. I think it was like Sinatra songs. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.280 My mom like raised me on that kind of stuff. So, 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.600 I mean, but before then, like I would sing in 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.640 the car, and I didn't realize how much I was 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.120 into music. When I was a kid. I was like, no, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:39.760 I always wanted to be a sportsman, she's And then 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.200 she sent me these pictures I'd turned like tennis rackets 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.679 into guitars by putting shoelaces over the thing. And then 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.760 like she says, you always wanted to sing, She saying, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.400 when you were little, you would like sing the same 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.600 song to a party of people when you would. You know, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.520 I always loved it. I think it's the performing thing. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.720 I don't know if that's egomaniacle or not, but I was. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.520 It was kind of like I always wanted to perform, 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.199 you know. And then as I got older, I think 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.040 I was a weird looking kid. I was like this big, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.640 sort of lanky, goofy where braces, kind of chubby and weird. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.720 And I figured if I got a guitar and I 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.720 could play guitar like at house parties or wherever I was, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:13.360 I might get a girlfriend. 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.840 You know. It was just a big ploy. This is 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.040 a big ploy to get girls. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:18.600 And then I ended up doing it for the rest 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.120 of my life, you know, for the next eighteen years 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.880 of my life. So I got into that. And then 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.679 there's a guy called Adam sort of taught me how 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.200 to play. I used to go into the music groom 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.920 at lunch times and when he would just teach me. 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.800 Stuff and guitar, guitano, guitar. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.400 I had piano lessons when I was eight, and I 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.680 can't read music, and I'm like dyslexic, so I can't 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.400 really I could never get the eg BDF kind of 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.839 stay I can't still to this day, I still can'try music. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.200 How many instruments do you play? 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.240 Just the basic like I played guitar first, and then 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.360 I started playing piano, and then I played drums for 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.200 a ban called Pond, and then I played bass. 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:53.120 Bass was the last one. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.240 Was the last instrument that I sort of really got into, 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.840 and that's probably I'm probably the best at bass now, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.360 just from learn Kevin Parker's basslines for the last you 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:02.960 know whatever. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.040 It is twelve years or so. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.640 When you're on on tour, when you are playing with 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.760 Team and Parla, how many instruments in the show when 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.360 you are playing live? How many instruments will you play? 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.360 Mate? It's pretty wiry up there. We've got like. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.800 How many people are For people that don't know, how 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:17.760 many people are in the band. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.680 I think there's five of us, and then there's two 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.760 drum kits for starters, which is there's only one drummer. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:23.840 It's two drum kits. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.480 Jay has something like three or four synths on his 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.480 side and kronos like a keyboard. Dom has I want 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.720 to say three or four, maybe five, and then he 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.800 has five or six guitar lines. I can't remember it's 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.760 it's somewhere around that number five or six guitar lines. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:39.680 I have a. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.960 Bass line and a bass synth line. Kevin has two 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.280 or three guitar lines, So there's like I guess on 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:46.400 stage there'd be something. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:47.960 I know there's something like. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.480 Forty channels get like for five guys, like forty channels 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:53.320 going to the mixing console. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.520 It's probably more. I can't remember, and most bands would 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:56.200 have white if there is. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:57.320 Let's listen, we've got five. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.360 You go think there's like ten mics and a drum kit, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.960 you know, and there's five. There's there'd be you know, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.320 someone playing guitar. There's another channel, and then you've got 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.240 someone playing bass. There's another channel, and then you've got 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.320 someone playing and then a singer, you know, So you'd 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:13.680 probably have twenty maybe twenty twenty five. We have so 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.960 many it's absurd. But I think that's literally one of 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.040 the funnest things I've been able to do over the 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.000 last like ten years is playing in that band is 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.640 like they're the best musicians in the world that I've 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:24.480 ever played with in my life, the most talented ones 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.920 I've ever met. Like playing bass along to Julian Barbeguello's drums. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:29.520 Every night is a dream. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.720 And part of the fun is like we take these 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.200 like opuses that Kevin writes and pull them apart and 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:36.720 every rehearsal and go, how are we going to play 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.200 this song that Sometimes it's something that Kevin came up 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.280 with it, like in the middle of the night after 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.280 drinking a bottle of wine, you know, like so and 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.360 so we sort of, you know, I learn all the 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.400 bass lines, and then Dom will help, like Dom the 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.720 keyboard player will help, like synthesize the sounds, like he'll 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:51.960 recreate a synth sound. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:53.680 If we can't take that synth. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.880 On the road, Dom will help recreate it, and you know, 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.880 and putting these songs sort of it sounds silly, but 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.800 putting these songs back together from these like yeah, amazing 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.240 arrangements that Kevin puts on the albums and figuring out 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.040 how to make those sounds so that the crowd isn't 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.440 disappointed when you know, so they can bring these songs 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:09.840 to life. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:10.960 Is what I'm trying to say. 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.920 Is one of the funnest things, Like the rehearsal is 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.320 nearly just as fun for the for then the shows. 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.920 How much do you think learning music, practicing music, being 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:29.040 obsessed with music is kind of similar to the obsession 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.480 that you and a lot of people who listen to 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.480