Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. So when I started the podcast, the idea
Speaker 1: was to get people obviously in the golf space. Players, caddies, coaches,
Speaker 1: people that everybody kind of knows are in the golf space.
Speaker 1: But I also wanted to talk to people who aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily golfers. They're in other walks of life, but golf
Speaker 1: is a huge, huge part of their life. And so
Speaker 1: I was down in Australia last week for the live
Speaker 1: event in Adelaide and got to catch up with Cameron Avery.
Speaker 1: Cameron is the bass player for one of my favorite bands,
Speaker 1: Team and Paula. I'm a huge fan. And Cameron was
Speaker 1: a very very good competitive amateur golfer. He talks about,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of thinking about going to play Division
Speaker 1: I college golf in America, but chose to forge a
Speaker 1: career in music. And like I said, Tam and Paula
Speaker 1: they headlined Glastonbury a couple of years ago, a huge
Speaker 1: band out of Perth, Australia. And I mean, this guy's
Speaker 1: got a very very good golf swing, played in the
Speaker 1: US mid Am last year and loves golf. He's doing
Speaker 1: some stuff in the golf space. So these are the
Speaker 1: kind of podcasts that you know, when you have your
Speaker 1: own podcast, you can kind of bring on people you want.
Speaker 1: And Cameron, I'm a huge fan of what he does
Speaker 1: in music and to get to talk to him about
Speaker 1: kind of the merging of music and golf and kind
Speaker 1: of that world that a lot of people are getting
Speaker 1: into now content creation. So bass player for one of
Speaker 1: the coolest bands around and loves golf and golf is
Speaker 1: important to his life, So this is a cool one.
Speaker 1: And Cameron Avery.
Speaker 2: On The Son of a Butch podcast.
Speaker 1: Cameron, first of all, when I started doing this podcast,
Speaker 1: the idea was to get people in the golf space.
Speaker 1: And one of the cool things about having your own
Speaker 1: podcast is you can kind of do what the hell
Speaker 1: you want. And so the fact that I'm actually going
Speaker 1: to interview you and you love golf, but you're also
Speaker 1: in Tam and Paula, which is one of my favorite bands,
Speaker 1: is just kind of surreal to me. I think we're
Speaker 1: in a really interesting time in golf to where there
Speaker 1: seems to be like a crossover between like music, fashion
Speaker 1: and people like yourself that are you know, on tour
Speaker 1: in huge bands. I mean the fact that you guys
Speaker 1: played Glastonbury headline Glastonbury, but you're also a scratch golfer
Speaker 1: and golf is a huge part of your DNA, the
Speaker 1: mix of golf and music for you.
Speaker 2: What's that like?
Speaker 3: Well at the beginning, in the beginning, it was only golf,
Speaker 3: like it was up until I was probably eighteen. That's
Speaker 3: all I wanted to be. I used to like buy
Speaker 3: these sort of like Diet Burbery shirts. I wanted to
Speaker 3: be Adam Scott much to like the you know, the
Speaker 3: DNA of like your DNA, literally your DNA. I used
Speaker 3: to just I would lord over. I mean I had
Speaker 3: the same blades as him. I wanted to be Adam
Speaker 3: Scott and Tiger Woods until I was like sixteen or seventeen,
Speaker 3: and then I didn't play for like ten years, and
Speaker 3: then I went through a pretty weird time in my life,
Speaker 3: and golf sort of came back to me and sort of,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say like propped me up, right,
Speaker 3: but golf has this thing for me that it makes
Speaker 3: me very self accountable, just sort of inherently because I
Speaker 3: think there's no one else to blame, you know, the
Speaker 3: allegory to life. I think is the most amazing thing
Speaker 3: that I love about golf. That's the most amazing thing
Speaker 3: I think take away from it.
Speaker 1: I think we all want to be Adam Scott, right,
Speaker 1: I mean I think everybody. I mean, I've known Scotty
Speaker 1: for a long time. My dad and I worked with him.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like sometimes I feel like he's a
Speaker 1: member of the family, but he is just he's such
Speaker 1: a unique character. And I think for those of us
Speaker 1: that know him privately, as cool as everyone thinks he is,
Speaker 1: like he's even cooler because there's so many things that
Speaker 1: he's into. The vintage Rolex stuff. You know, he's big
Speaker 1: into fashion. He loves kind of anything vintage. He's into
Speaker 1: ye and that's kind of my vibe. I know you're
Speaker 1: big into that too. He's always been kind of at
Speaker 1: the forefront of golf fashion, from Burberry to Acquascutum to Uniclode. Now,
Speaker 1: what do you think is kind of Scotty's style stuff
Speaker 1: that everybody loves so much?
Speaker 2: It's he is.
Speaker 3: He has this thing, including his golf swing, including I
Speaker 3: think the partnership, like the commercial partnership deals he does
Speaker 3: with Rolex in Uniclo on Berby Before that he's just
Speaker 3: utterly timeless. Everything he does, it's timeless, but somehow he's
Speaker 3: timely as well, So like he's sort of pushing this
Speaker 3: sort of yeah, and he's he's always stuck to his guns.
Speaker 3: He's never he's never followed a trend. He's always worn
Speaker 3: the same kind of tailored pant and the kind of
Speaker 3: a silhouette that he's always cut. You can tell that
Speaker 3: he puts a lot of thought into that. And I
Speaker 3: was surprised when I got to play with him last
Speaker 3: year at Castle Pines. I was probably didn't give myself
Speaker 3: enough credit for how nervous I was because Bussy, his caddy,
Speaker 3: was like I knew Bussy and buscoes, hey mate, are
Speaker 3: you playing? And that pro am tomorrow? He goes, what
Speaker 3: do you want to play with Scotty and I was
Speaker 3: like and I sort of was like yeah, sure, just
Speaker 3: sort of like palmed it off, like yeah, this is
Speaker 3: gonna be great.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna love this, and yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how nervous I would be on that
Speaker 3: first tea because I was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's been I didn't play golf for ten years, so
Speaker 3: I was very much out of the golf community. But
Speaker 3: then when he was sending in front of me and
Speaker 3: I had to hit a t shot in front of him,
Speaker 3: I was kind of just like WHOA. But he definitely
Speaker 3: has that aura, and I think it comes from his
Speaker 3: attention to detail and his intention with his golf swing,
Speaker 3: with what he's wearing. Like you said with you don't
Speaker 3: become a collector of vintage rolex Is unless your attention
Speaker 3: to detail is you know, unless you very have a
Speaker 3: very high attention to detail.
Speaker 1: And he's always kind of been this kind of international
Speaker 1: amount of mystery. I mean the house in Switzerland, he
Speaker 1: lives in the Bahamas. You know, he's married to a
Speaker 1: Swedish you know, he used to have an appointment in Stockholm.
Speaker 3: He's always I didn't know he lived in New York.
Speaker 3: He justaid because I lived in Manhattan, and he's sort
Speaker 3: of just going like he's like, oh, he used to
Speaker 3: live there, and I was like what, so yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it's and I kind of love that, like I've
Speaker 3: always you know, and I think it's in the age
Speaker 3: of like social media. I think it's the opposite of
Speaker 3: what we used to We used to love think about
Speaker 3: rock stars or actors. We used to love when there
Speaker 3: was a bit of mystery about them, you know. But
Speaker 3: now these days people just stick cameras in front of
Speaker 3: their faces every single day and broadcast themselves, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think it's kind of nice to have someone who's,
Speaker 3: you know, just lets his golf do the talking and
Speaker 3: his brand identity and everything else that he does.
Speaker 1: He kind of follows the old school model of Hollywood, right.
Speaker 1: The worst thing in all Hollywood would be to be infamous.
Speaker 1: You were trying to be famous, and Scotty has always
Speaker 1: kind of managed this kind of cool. He's he's I mean,
Speaker 1: I was with him a couple a month ago in Dubai.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, he's timeless. He's aging well
Speaker 1: and the golf swing is still amazing.
Speaker 3: Getting better because I was looking, I mean, I was
Speaker 3: just looking. I used to try and swing it like him.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not as fit as I used to be,
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of sort of his DNA in
Speaker 3: my golf swing and watching how compact his swing is
Speaker 3: becoming now, because I remember he used to have that
Speaker 3: really really long high left arm that sort of went
Speaker 3: up near his chin, and now he's really flattened it
Speaker 3: out and his right arm is a lot closer, like
Speaker 3: his hand are a lot more in front of his body,
Speaker 3: and it's like he's getting stronger. I feel like, and
Speaker 3: watching him hit balls for nine holes that day at
Speaker 3: altitude was like with something else was incredible. I can't
Speaker 3: believe the flight when it comes off the club base, Like,
Speaker 3: how is that possible? The optimal spin with his driver
Speaker 3: or his mini driver or whatever he's carrying right now.
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing about Adam is there's
Speaker 1: this like synergy with Roger Federer on the tennis side.
Speaker 1: You know, they're both role ex ambassadors. They've always kind
Speaker 1: of done things kind of in a very very classy way.
Speaker 1: They're both uniclo ambassadors now and it's kind of like
Speaker 1: they're the gold standard of Like I always say to
Speaker 1: the young people that are playing professional golf for the
Speaker 1: first time and they're starting out their career, I'm like,
Speaker 1: if you could model your career off of an athlete,
Speaker 1: especially in the golf space, Adam Scott would be a great,
Speaker 1: great person to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's perfect.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you took up golf and you probably
Speaker 1: could have played division. Did you ever think of going
Speaker 1: to the US and trying to play Division one college golf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: I remember there was some conversations I had with U
Speaker 3: and LV and a little bit with there was someone
Speaker 3: and at one of the uzzy ams that was my
Speaker 3: grades were terrible.
Speaker 2: Let's get that out of the way.
Speaker 3: I was already kind of like goofing around playing guitar
Speaker 3: a little bit and surfing every day.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wanted to go.
Speaker 3: I mean my dream was to like get into a
Speaker 3: Division one college team and play golf and then graduate
Speaker 3: and then going to the PGA too. That's that was
Speaker 3: everything I wanted to be. That was everything I can
Speaker 3: think about, so definitely, and then I guess music sort
Speaker 3: of just became this thing that like, I think I
Speaker 3: also realized I wasn't a killer like I needed to be.
Speaker 1: And I think I read that you said that one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you didn't continue to pursue a
Speaker 1: career in kind of professional golf is you looked at
Speaker 1: the greatest players and they all have that kind of
Speaker 1: killer instincts. Some of them wear that very much on
Speaker 1: their sleeve, some kind of have that silent kind of
Speaker 1: killer instinct. I think Scotty Scheffler has that right now.
Speaker 1: He's such a great guy. The way he lives his
Speaker 1: life on and off the golf course. He's kind of
Speaker 1: like the Tom Hanks of golf. But he is a
Speaker 1: stone cold killer. If he has chances to win, he
Speaker 1: is going.
Speaker 2: It in his way.
Speaker 3: He'd off he WIT's what I mean like, And I
Speaker 3: kind of recognized that I had, like some pers I
Speaker 3: used to play against Jason Scrivner. I played against Danny
Speaker 3: Lee a couple of times, and I remember, like I
Speaker 3: was like the I think it was like the Lake
Speaker 3: Macquarie Championship somewhere in New South Wales, like I'd played
Speaker 3: a really great couple of days. Can remember what I shot.
Speaker 3: I'm probably even or two one that I can't remember.
Speaker 3: Danny won by like eight shots, shot like ten under
Speaker 3: or something like that, and just absolutely destroyed, destroyed the field.
Speaker 3: And I just was like, I'm watching his focus coming
Speaker 3: up the fairway, and I was, you know, already having
Speaker 3: a good time.
Speaker 2: And I love having my friends, and I just never
Speaker 2: really I loved hitting great golf.
Speaker 3: Shots and I loved competing, But when I really came
Speaker 3: down to it, I think I recognized that by the
Speaker 3: time I was twenty one, twenty two, twenty three that
Speaker 3: I didn't really have that like real killer thing that
Speaker 3: I saw other people that other people had. And then
Speaker 3: and music sort of just became you know. I think
Speaker 3: I said to Brett Rumfort, I had to I felt
Speaker 3: so nervous. I had to go to his you know,
Speaker 3: went around to his house and we went hit golf balls,
Speaker 3: and the ranger I said, I don't know if I
Speaker 3: want to do this, and he'd sort of reared me
Speaker 3: from a very young age to play golf, and I
Speaker 3: sort of looked at him, and I think I remember saying, like,
Speaker 3: I think I want to make things, not win things.
Speaker 3: You know, like if I make a song or an
Speaker 3: album or a film or or like something like, then
Speaker 3: you know that's mine forever. Whereas I feel like someone's
Speaker 3: gonna win that tournament next year, and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just that's the way I thought when I was
Speaker 3: seventeen or eighteen, and you know, up into my twenties,
Speaker 3: that's sort of Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Melville Glades Championship. You were supposed to play in
Speaker 1: that big tournament.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like so there's this thing called how
Speaker 2: old were you?
Speaker 3: That was probably when I was twenty one or twenty two,
Speaker 3: and so I was already into the senior division and
Speaker 3: there was this your state Packston Averages and I needed
Speaker 3: to maintain a certain level to qualify for the West
Speaker 3: Australian state team or qualify for playing interstate events and
Speaker 3: things like that, and I just remember I was teetering.
Speaker 3: I was wavering on, like the golf thing, and then
Speaker 3: I hadn't told Brett that I don't think I want
Speaker 3: to compete anymore. I was trying to pick a job,
Speaker 3: you know, I was trying to I had these grand
Speaker 3: ideas of I had to pick something that I had
Speaker 3: to do with the rest of my life. And I
Speaker 3: remember like Oasis was playing. It was like I think
Speaker 3: it was one of their last shows. I'll have to
Speaker 3: find out when exactly what year this was, because I
Speaker 3: think it was like one of their last shows in
Speaker 3: Australia before they broke up. And they were playing with
Speaker 3: I want to say wolf Mother or either them on
Speaker 3: kings Leon at this big vestival called Rocket in Jodle
Speaker 3: Up and I remember just going like, yeah, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go to the Oasis concert.
Speaker 1: So an Oasis concert instead of going and play an
Speaker 1: amateur golf from Is that the one where Liam Gallagher
Speaker 1: got arrested on the flight coming down to Australia. You
Speaker 1: got arrested for drinking excessively on a flight, I think
Speaker 1: on a virgin flight down to Australia.
Speaker 3: That's a weird thing to do between England and Australia
Speaker 3: because I feel like at the Ash isn't coming to
Speaker 3: talk about cricket now. I feel like they have competitions
Speaker 3: who can drink the most amount of beers between here
Speaker 3: in London. I don't I can't imagine. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't remember that him getting arrested, but I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3: Back then, we'll get back to golf in a minute.
Speaker 1: Music. How did you get into music?
Speaker 3: I guess it was my mom was a singer. My
Speaker 3: mom sang on the boats. That's how she met my dad.
Speaker 3: My dad drove the boat, my mum sang on the boat.
Speaker 3: My mom was a musician. What kind of it was
Speaker 3: like in these wine cruises they have in Perth, they
Speaker 3: have these like wine cruises and my dad drove the
Speaker 3: boat and my mom sang on the boat, and that's
Speaker 3: the really how they met. So my mom would do
Speaker 3: these like floor shows at the end of the like
Speaker 3: on the wine cruiser, when everyone had a bit to
Speaker 3: drink that you drop them off at a winery. They
Speaker 3: get a bit pissed and on the way back, my
Speaker 3: mom would you know, start singing these sort of like
Speaker 3: show tunes. I eventually got that job, by the way,
Speaker 3: because I needed money when I was trying to be
Speaker 3: a pro golfer.
Speaker 1: So you sing while you were trying to be a
Speaker 1: pro golfer. Your singing a wine.
Speaker 3: Cruise, Yeah, I was singing on this little riverboat. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: riverboat cruise.
Speaker 1: What kind of music were you singing?
Speaker 3: I can't remember. I think it was like Sinatra songs.
Speaker 3: My mom like raised me on that kind of stuff. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, but before then, like I would sing in
Speaker 3: the car, and I didn't realize how much I was
Speaker 3: into music. When I was a kid. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I always wanted to be a sportsman, she's And then
Speaker 3: she sent me these pictures I'd turned like tennis rackets
Speaker 3: into guitars by putting shoelaces over the thing. And then
Speaker 3: like she says, you always wanted to sing, She saying,
Speaker 3: when you were little, you would like sing the same
Speaker 3: song to a party of people when you would. You know,
Speaker 3: I always loved it. I think it's the performing thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's egomaniacle or not, but I was.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like I always wanted to perform,
Speaker 3: you know. And then as I got older, I think
Speaker 3: I was a weird looking kid. I was like this big,
Speaker 3: sort of lanky, goofy where braces, kind of chubby and weird.
Speaker 3: And I figured if I got a guitar and I
Speaker 3: could play guitar like at house parties or wherever I was,
Speaker 3: I might get a girlfriend.
Speaker 2: You know. It was just a big ploy. This is
Speaker 2: a big ploy to get girls.
Speaker 3: And then I ended up doing it for the rest
Speaker 3: of my life, you know, for the next eighteen years
Speaker 3: of my life. So I got into that. And then
Speaker 3: there's a guy called Adam sort of taught me how
Speaker 3: to play. I used to go into the music groom
Speaker 3: at lunch times and when he would just teach me.
Speaker 2: Stuff and guitar, guitano, guitar.
Speaker 3: I had piano lessons when I was eight, and I
Speaker 3: can't read music, and I'm like dyslexic, so I can't
Speaker 3: really I could never get the eg BDF kind of
Speaker 3: stay I can't still to this day, I still can'try music.
Speaker 1: How many instruments do you play?
Speaker 3: Just the basic like I played guitar first, and then
Speaker 3: I started playing piano, and then I played drums for
Speaker 3: a ban called Pond, and then I played bass.
Speaker 2: Bass was the last one.
Speaker 3: Was the last instrument that I sort of really got into,
Speaker 3: and that's probably I'm probably the best at bass now,
Speaker 3: just from learn Kevin Parker's basslines for the last you
Speaker 3: know whatever.
Speaker 2: It is twelve years or so.
Speaker 1: When you're on on tour, when you are playing with
Speaker 1: Team and Parla, how many instruments in the show when
Speaker 1: you are playing live? How many instruments will you play?
Speaker 2: Mate? It's pretty wiry up there. We've got like.
Speaker 1: How many people are For people that don't know, how
Speaker 1: many people are in the band.
Speaker 3: I think there's five of us, and then there's two
Speaker 3: drum kits for starters, which is there's only one drummer.
Speaker 2: It's two drum kits.
Speaker 3: Jay has something like three or four synths on his
Speaker 3: side and kronos like a keyboard. Dom has I want
Speaker 3: to say three or four, maybe five, and then he
Speaker 3: has five or six guitar lines. I can't remember it's
Speaker 3: it's somewhere around that number five or six guitar lines.
Speaker 2: I have a.
Speaker 3: Bass line and a bass synth line. Kevin has two
Speaker 3: or three guitar lines, So there's like I guess on
Speaker 3: stage there'd be something.
Speaker 2: I know there's something like.
Speaker 3: Forty channels get like for five guys, like forty channels
Speaker 3: going to the mixing console.
Speaker 2: It's probably more. I can't remember, and most bands would
Speaker 2: have white if there is.
Speaker 1: Let's listen, we've got five.
Speaker 3: You go think there's like ten mics and a drum kit,
Speaker 3: you know, and there's five. There's there'd be you know,
Speaker 3: someone playing guitar. There's another channel, and then you've got
Speaker 3: someone playing bass. There's another channel, and then you've got
Speaker 3: someone playing and then a singer, you know, So you'd
Speaker 3: probably have twenty maybe twenty twenty five. We have so
Speaker 3: many it's absurd. But I think that's literally one of
Speaker 3: the funnest things I've been able to do over the
Speaker 3: last like ten years is playing in that band is
Speaker 3: like they're the best musicians in the world that I've
Speaker 3: ever played with in my life, the most talented ones
Speaker 3: I've ever met. Like playing bass along to Julian Barbeguello's drums.
Speaker 2: Every night is a dream.
Speaker 3: And part of the fun is like we take these
Speaker 3: like opuses that Kevin writes and pull them apart and
Speaker 3: every rehearsal and go, how are we going to play
Speaker 3: this song that Sometimes it's something that Kevin came up
Speaker 3: with it, like in the middle of the night after
Speaker 3: drinking a bottle of wine, you know, like so and
Speaker 3: so we sort of, you know, I learn all the
Speaker 3: bass lines, and then Dom will help, like Dom the
Speaker 3: keyboard player will help, like synthesize the sounds, like he'll
Speaker 3: recreate a synth sound.
Speaker 2: If we can't take that synth.
Speaker 3: On the road, Dom will help recreate it, and you know,
Speaker 3: and putting these songs sort of it sounds silly, but
Speaker 3: putting these songs back together from these like yeah, amazing
Speaker 3: arrangements that Kevin puts on the albums and figuring out
Speaker 3: how to make those sounds so that the crowd isn't
Speaker 3: disappointed when you know, so they can bring these songs
Speaker 3: to life.
Speaker 2: Is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: Is one of the funnest things, Like the rehearsal is
Speaker 3: nearly just as fun for the for then the shows.
Speaker 1: How much do you think learning music, practicing music, being
Speaker 1: obsessed with music is kind of similar to the obsession
Speaker 1: that you and a lot of people who listen to
Speaker 1: the pod have about golf. Are they similar?
Speaker 3: I would say golf helped me become a better musician
Speaker 3: in the sense that because I can't read music, but
Speaker 3: I learned how to break down tasks. I remember I
Speaker 3: got taught at ver at young age about like practice schedules,
Speaker 3: but which obviously we could talk about that for hours,
Speaker 3: like in the morning. It would be like, if I'm
Speaker 3: trying to learn a skill, you know, like if you're
Speaker 3: trying to make a swing change, you need to, you know,
Speaker 3: first start doing with like, you know, a fifty percent
Speaker 3: shot on the range, and then start speeding it up
Speaker 3: a bit, and then eventually you can take it out
Speaker 3: into practice rounds, and then eventually.
Speaker 2: You can use it in competition, you know.
Speaker 3: So basically golf helped me become obsessively specific about certain things.
Speaker 3: So if I'm trying to learn a song, maybe it's
Speaker 3: a baseline that's quite tricky, I will play it two
Speaker 3: different tempos and then I'll play it I'll play it
Speaker 3: really slow, and then I'll play it really fast. I'll
Speaker 3: play it in a swung way, I'll play it in
Speaker 3: a different rhythm, and it gives me this ability to
Speaker 3: moti memorize songs. So like I think obsessive specificity is
Speaker 3: something that golfers and musicians have in kind. Is that
Speaker 3: like there's a broad stroke and a broad goal, but
Speaker 3: being able to break that task down or that song
Speaker 3: down into different sounds and different channels and different techniques
Speaker 3: is something that there's massive crossover I think between musicians
Speaker 3: and golfers in that sense. Mentally, I think the mental
Speaker 3: approach to making a great song or for me, it's
Speaker 3: like learning a great song or achieving something on stage. Weirdly,
Speaker 3: I like performing a lot more than being in studio.
Speaker 3: So if I'm trying to learn a performance, whether it's
Speaker 3: me playing solo piano or playing in tamapala or anything,
Speaker 3: I think learn a performance and learning how to swing
Speaker 3: a golf club became very It came very naturally to
Speaker 3: me because of that. Kevin I think even said that
Speaker 3: once He's like Cam's more of like a musical jock
Speaker 3: than anything else.
Speaker 1: Writing music versus making music, like writing songs and stuff.
Speaker 1: I read once you said you don't try and write songs.
Speaker 1: You wait for the songs to come to.
Speaker 3: You said me, Yeah, I mean it's it's it's a
Speaker 3: weird one. I'm not like like spiritual, but it's a
Speaker 3: funny thing like I sort of wait for I feel
Speaker 3: like sometimes if I like smash my head up against
Speaker 3: a wall, like I'm going like write a song, write
Speaker 3: a song.
Speaker 2: Write a hit.
Speaker 3: Right, Maybe that's why I would never be a great
Speaker 3: like sort of you know, one of those like Max
Speaker 3: Martin kind of like pop song churning them out, churning
Speaker 3: them ot, churing them out. I wouldn't be great at
Speaker 3: that because I get no joy out of this kind
Speaker 3: of like sitting there and kind of like trying to
Speaker 3: write a pop song. And it never really works for
Speaker 3: me either. So I think, like I write down lots
Speaker 3: of bits and pieces. So if I'm writing a song,
Speaker 3: it usually starts with lyrics. Like last night, but right
Speaker 3: before I went to bed, I had a couple of
Speaker 3: glasses of white and like these lyric came to me.
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't remember what it was. I
Speaker 3: could probably pull it up on my phone and I
Speaker 3: write down three or four more lines that have to
Speaker 3: do with that. And so that it's kind of just
Speaker 3: like capturing like a feeling or a vibe about the
Speaker 3: way I'm feeling, and how do I put into words
Speaker 3: about a moment or something I'm feeling. And then usually
Speaker 3: a melody will come after that, and then I'll try
Speaker 3: and fit chords around that. So I kind of wait
Speaker 3: for it to come and then sometimes man, I can
Speaker 3: like I'll pull this up. I know the people listening
Speaker 3: won't be able to see it, but like these are
Speaker 3: all just like bits, bits and pieces of songs like
Speaker 3: just this like tiny like yeah, like I guess like
Speaker 3: how I'm trying to find one like there go this
Speaker 3: is this is sort of how it sort of comes out.
Speaker 3: This one says there's a river in a city. They're
Speaker 3: all like broken verses and it doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 3: but I start with the lyrics because that words have made.
Speaker 3: My heroes are Tom Waits and Nick Cave and Leonard Cohen.
Speaker 1: And I read that you were a big Tom Waits
Speaker 1: fan when when I was in college, down by Law
Speaker 1: of the Jim jur Mooch film, That's What's favorite film
Speaker 1: was my favorite film in college. We watched that role
Speaker 1: That's religiously I loves.
Speaker 2: To have a poster on the wall, and I lost all.
Speaker 1: Of Jim Joy Mussa's stuff, that whole kind of static
Speaker 1: that black and white and Tom Waits was his music
Speaker 1: was always in those films.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this happens with Jockie Philip Bourbon and there's.
Speaker 1: That great scene where they're in the prison cell and
Speaker 1: he's like ice Ice scream and they also scream, and they're.
Speaker 3: Like because his character is that guy is Roberta. Bernini's
Speaker 3: one of my favorite actors of all time as well.
Speaker 3: That's my favorite film because John Lewie was in the
Speaker 3: Lounge Deards absolutely and Waits is one of my heros.
Speaker 3: And Benini is a master. He's the best physical actor
Speaker 3: I've ever seen in my life. But I remember, like
Speaker 3: I had the poster in my first apartment in New York.
Speaker 3: I had this big poster of that scene when they're
Speaker 3: all leaning on the bars. Because one of the funniest things,
Speaker 3: I made this neon sign that said because he says
Speaker 3: I am no criminal, and he says I have a
Speaker 3: good egg, and so like I always love I have
Speaker 3: a good egg, So I made this sign that said
Speaker 3: I have a good egg. Anyway, Waits was like he's
Speaker 3: still still like I have a proverbial go bag in
Speaker 3: my bank account. Like if we were sitting right now
Speaker 3: and someone said Tom Waits is playing in Switzerland tomorrow,
Speaker 3: I go see you, claude, have a nice rest of
Speaker 3: your day, and would just leave. I'd give my left
Speaker 3: arm to see that guy play again.
Speaker 1: You had an apartment in New York that had a
Speaker 1: bed and just a piano, and that was it. You
Speaker 1: told me the story yesterday, But you've got to tell
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Well it was I was.
Speaker 3: I moved to New York and my upstairs neighbor is
Speaker 3: an amazing producer call Lauren Humphrey, and he said I
Speaker 3: said to him. I was like, hey, dude, I had
Speaker 3: this big sort of twelve hundred square foot loft that
Speaker 3: I got off another musician friend of ours, and I said, hey, man,
Speaker 3: do you have a doing one with an upright And
Speaker 3: he goes, no, no, no. But I know poor Kostavi
Speaker 3: is selling a grand He's a guy from a bank
Speaker 3: called Colts.
Speaker 2: So I went up there.
Speaker 3: I wrote in the back the trunk of someone's like
Speaker 3: Honda Odyssey, and went up there and checked out this
Speaker 3: piano and it's probably. You know, I can't remember what
Speaker 3: it was worth, but you know, he said to me,
Speaker 3: and he was, so he's the best.
Speaker 2: I love Paul.
Speaker 3: And he was like, I probably need four grand for it,
Speaker 3: and I think I said. I was like, well, I've
Speaker 3: got three thousand in my bank account. This is everything
Speaker 3: I had, and I just I just paid rent, so
Speaker 3: I had and it was cheap back then, and I said,
Speaker 3: I'll give you two. So I gave him two thousand
Speaker 3: dollars for this piano. And then luckily I had a
Speaker 3: freight elevator. I was on tour when they put it
Speaker 3: up there. So I got home and all I had
Speaker 3: in my bedroom I'm not even drinking. I had a bed,
Speaker 3: it's tempopedic mattress and a shag rug and this piano
Speaker 3: and that was it. There was nothing in there. It
Speaker 3: looked like and people would come over and it was like,
Speaker 3: is this an art installation? Like this is literally what
Speaker 3: it looked like. So but I was happy then, you know, like,
Speaker 3: and I had an ashtray full of cigarette butts. I
Speaker 3: used to smoke like a chimney and I would just
Speaker 3: sit there. I was really good at piano for that
Speaker 3: year because all I would do was sit around and
Speaker 3: play piano. So like that was like my best bowhome impression.
Speaker 3: You know, you live now in Los Angeles. What's the
Speaker 3: difference you think in the vibe between New York and LA.
Speaker 3: My daughter's just moved to New York. She's twenty one,
Speaker 3: she's just out of college. She's living in Murray Hill.
Speaker 3: And I am all I ever wanted to do. When
Speaker 3: I was twenty one years old was living in New
Speaker 3: York City. So I am living vicariously through being young.
Speaker 3: Living in Manhattan.
Speaker 2: You got to do it young, you have to.
Speaker 1: Manhattan has a very specific feel and buzz to it.
Speaker 1: I've never lived in New York City, but I lived
Speaker 1: in LA and LA has a completely different vibe as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think people in LA look at New York
Speaker 1: like it's another planet, and people in New York look
Speaker 1: at LA like it's another planet. Yeah, but what do
Speaker 1: you feel is kind of idiosyncratic about living in New
Speaker 1: York and then living in LA.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's tough. I've seen people come and go.
Speaker 3: I've come and gone a couple of times in New York,
Speaker 3: but New York's my favorite place in the whole world.
Speaker 3: I think it's because you've got like, you know, the population,
Speaker 3: you know, three quarters of the population of Australia living
Speaker 3: on an island that's eleven miles long.
Speaker 2: And then when you count all.
Speaker 3: The burrows, I think it's what is it, twenty something
Speaker 3: a million people and you've got everyone all these walks
Speaker 3: of life living on top of each other.
Speaker 1: You feel it.
Speaker 2: You can in New York. You can feel in the
Speaker 2: city and you can feel the pace.
Speaker 3: And I think, like we always just say the rules
Speaker 3: are like ten years sandy or nine to eleven, and
Speaker 3: you're kind of in New Yorker like, and I sort
Speaker 3: of consider myself part of that DNA. But I feel
Speaker 3: like it's like everyone's very everyone in LA. And I
Speaker 3: don't like shitting on LA, but I do sometimes because
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone's nice, but they're not necessarily kind,
Speaker 3: whereas no one in New York is nice, but they're
Speaker 3: very kind. Like you can always sell when someone's from
Speaker 3: LA and they moved to New York or not from
Speaker 3: New York and they move, they're out in the morning.
Speaker 3: I think christ To Stephano, amazing comedian, talks about this,
Speaker 3: where people go like you're in the coffee shop, and
Speaker 3: I used to go in if I have to wait
Speaker 3: more than five seconds. There is Oslo, this coffee shop
Speaker 3: across the road from my apartment on West tenth Street.
Speaker 3: I'd walk in there and they would start making it
Speaker 3: for me while I was in the line, and I'd
Speaker 3: grab out and go thanks guys, and I would walk
Speaker 3: out of there. And then Christi Stefano makes a joke
Speaker 3: that everyone's like, if you got someone who's like, hy,
Speaker 3: good morning, You're like, don't talk. We're not talking here,
Speaker 3: give you the coffee. Go back it, Like I just
Speaker 3: I came out here to get cofee. I'm not having
Speaker 3: a great conversation. Whereas you know, New Yorkers can be
Speaker 3: very harsh.
Speaker 2: Rule them too.
Speaker 3: Don't even get in the way of New Yorker while
Speaker 3: they're walking. You have people go like, hey, can I
Speaker 3: talk to you for a second, like get the out
Speaker 3: of my way. But New Yorkers are very kind in
Speaker 3: the way that like if you're running towards an elevator,
Speaker 3: they'll hold the door open because they know we're all
Speaker 3: in the same boat together or the subway, you know,
Speaker 3: and we're all in the same boat and we all need.
Speaker 2: To help each other. Out.
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone really cares deep down, everyone really
Speaker 3: cares for everybody in New York.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what I like the most about it.
Speaker 2: I'm there.
Speaker 1: Obviously, if you're a golfer, you want to win a major,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people the Masters would
Speaker 1: be the holy grail of that. As a band is
Speaker 1: headlining Glastonbury the top of the mountain, Yes, but without
Speaker 1: a doubt, without a doubt.
Speaker 3: I wrote an article a couple of years ago for
Speaker 3: publication for Monster Children. It was called, Wasn't the greatest
Speaker 3: festival in the mouth, It wasn't the greatest show on Earth.
Speaker 3: It's the greatest place on earth. It's my favorite place.
Speaker 3: I've never felt anything like I have when I've played
Speaker 3: Glastonbury being at Glastonbury. I go every year, whether I'm
Speaker 3: playing or not. It's just there's like myths about it
Speaker 3: because the festival is never moved. It sits in between
Speaker 3: these two lay lines, these religious lay lines, and it's
Speaker 3: just something about it's still non for profit, like the
Speaker 3: Eves family have been running that for fifty years now,
Speaker 3: fifty one years now. And yeah, Glastonbury is for me anyway.
Speaker 3: I mean, I could take or leave a Grammy. But
Speaker 3: playing Glastonbury is Headlining Glastonbury is probably the greatest, one
Speaker 3: of the greatest things I've ever done in my life,
Speaker 3: if not the greatest.
Speaker 1: You know, I told you yesterday I watched the YouTube
Speaker 1: of when you all played Glastonbury Let it Happen the
Speaker 1: first I mean, it is so.
Speaker 2: Good, Like it's so good, it's fun.
Speaker 3: It's fun. I mean like that's like the feeling you get.
Speaker 3: And I remember Kevin, one of my best friends, the
Speaker 3: mother of my godson, Gillian.
Speaker 2: She's she's been going since she was thirteen.
Speaker 3: She's from England, and she said Kevin was there and
Speaker 3: she and we were like, we're going to headline Glassy
Speaker 3: and Kevin, I think he did something like I don't
Speaker 3: even really know what to say. And Gillian, who was
Speaker 3: backstage with us is one of my best friends, turned
Speaker 3: to Kevin and says, just say Glastonbury at the top
Speaker 3: of your lungs, and sure enough he gets out there.
Speaker 3: It was like midway through I would have been let
Speaker 3: it happen or whatever we'd opened with them.
Speaker 2: We've played a bunch of times. I can't remeber which
Speaker 2: time it was that Kevin just goes glasson bray and
Speaker 2: the crowd just goes and then it works.
Speaker 1: So when I watched, he's like, wow, look at this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was like, oh yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like it's a magical feeling. Like I was just
Speaker 3: talking about it with Christian Crosby. They're one of the
Speaker 3: hosts for Live and just that feeling you get when
Speaker 3: you're when you're on the grounds that you get we get,
Speaker 3: really I get excited a week out from Glastonbury and
Speaker 3: the crowd when they paying respect to one of your
Speaker 3: favorite songs. You'll see like five or six at night,
Speaker 3: five or six flares will go up in the crowd,
Speaker 3: and it's just this kind of everyone's there. No one's
Speaker 3: there for Instagram, no one's there for you know, there's
Speaker 3: none of that. Everyone you bring your wellies and you
Speaker 3: bring your barber coat and you you know, just and
Speaker 3: you're out there with your friends and it's still I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's I could go on for hours. If
Speaker 3: you've got to stop me talking about Glastonbury, I'll just
Speaker 3: keep going.
Speaker 1: For those of us that are not rock stars, like
Speaker 1: and not in a band, what is it like when
Speaker 1: you play a song and the crowd. Really that's to me,
Speaker 1: that to me would probably have to be the it could.
Speaker 2: It's got to be the coolest feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like when you play in Latin America,
Speaker 3: it's like they sing the lyrics back to you as
Speaker 3: loud as you're playing it, like when you're in Buenos
Speaker 3: Aires or Brazil or Mexico, like Mexico City. We played
Speaker 3: a massive show in Mexico a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: and it's yeah, I mean it's like it's you don't
Speaker 3: really sort of think about it until it happens, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it's stuff that you it's memories that you take.
Speaker 1: You make eye contact with people in your crowd while
Speaker 1: you're playing. Are you watching?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially like I'm like where I sit. I sort
Speaker 3: of sit in the background next to Julian and I
Speaker 3: have a I have a really great vantage point actually,
Speaker 3: so I can I can kind of see the people
Speaker 3: in the front row and I don't know, it sounds
Speaker 3: a bit cheesy, but you know, you make eye contact
Speaker 3: with someone and like you can kind of thumbs them
Speaker 3: up or you know, if you have that just must
Speaker 3: make them So yeah, the joy is like that's I
Speaker 3: think that's why you do it. It's like it's cheesy
Speaker 3: as it sounds. It's like it's you perform because you
Speaker 3: it's it's got it ends up having at that level
Speaker 3: when they're singing back to you, It's got nothing to
Speaker 3: do with you. It's got to do with making them happy,
Speaker 3: you know. Performing Making their day is kind of that's
Speaker 3: what you kind of feed off. And it sounds for
Speaker 3: me anyway, like it's like it sounds so stupid, but
Speaker 3: it's like it becomes very I feel like it becomes
Speaker 3: very selfless.
Speaker 2: At that point.
Speaker 3: You're kind of like, what do I do to make
Speaker 3: sure that you guys are having the best time. It's
Speaker 3: not like clap for me, but it's like I want
Speaker 3: you to have a great time. I mean the byproduct is, yeah,
Speaker 3: you have one hundred thousand people singing along to one
Speaker 3: of your songs, But you know, it's more like I
Speaker 3: feel like in those moments, I get so excited to
Speaker 3: make them feel great.
Speaker 1: You know. Last music question, because I could literally do
Speaker 1: a four hour podcast about team and polin music. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite song to play live?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Let it happened? Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely that. How did
Speaker 3: that song come about that or Elephant. I mean, they're
Speaker 3: both fun to play, but I remember Kevin working on it.
Speaker 3: I had moved to the States, I think I think
Speaker 3: I'd moved to the States. Yeah, And we hadn't put
Speaker 3: out Currents yet. Pretty soon after I joined the band
Speaker 3: in probably in twenty thirteen or something like that. And
Speaker 3: I remember were driving to this music store to go
Speaker 3: pick up something for the studio, and he goes, what
Speaker 3: do you think of this? And he showed me like,
Speaker 3: let it the like the bones or like probably it
Speaker 3: was probably half cooked version of and I just and
Speaker 3: if you think about that song, it's so obvious.
Speaker 2: When you hear it.
Speaker 3: Now, when you hear that song about all the different
Speaker 3: stages and chapters. So you were listening in the car, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the best. It's you always do the car test.
Speaker 1: But once the movie, once they make the record, you know,
Speaker 1: they go into the studio and everything, and they he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, we got to do the car test always,
Speaker 1: and then you go in.
Speaker 3: You have to have to do the car test. There's
Speaker 3: there's rules to the two things. On a team to
Speaker 3: set the last thing and saying about music. I remember
Speaker 3: him showing it to me, and I was like and
Speaker 3: it was just so unique and so and it was
Speaker 3: really when I went like whoa, and he'd already done.
Speaker 3: If you think about it, Elephant feels like we only
Speaker 3: go backwards and da da da da da. But the
Speaker 3: first time I ever heard that, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: this is like so different. And I was like in
Speaker 3: the back of my mind. And I've said this to
Speaker 3: his face a couple of times, probably upset him as well,
Speaker 3: like a couple I was like, is this gonna work?
Speaker 2: But that's that's what takes. That's what great artists are.
Speaker 3: They're brave and they go on fearlessly into the thing
Speaker 3: that makes them feel great. They make it for themselves.
Speaker 3: I've never had that much as much artistry as someone
Speaker 3: like a Kevin Parker, but it's like it takes extreme,
Speaker 3: extreme bravery to do that. Think about like the success
Speaker 3: of a song like Elephant and the difference between that
Speaker 3: and let It Happen. They're two completely different speeds songs.
Speaker 3: If you think about it, one is like cocaine Sabbath
Speaker 3: and the other one is like this sort of odyssey
Speaker 3: that ends up sounding like a dance song, you know,
Speaker 3: And so you've got to that's that's the genius. That's
Speaker 3: why he's amazing, because he's sort of like he would
Speaker 3: never admit it. I've said that to him, like you're
Speaker 3: incredibly patient and incredibly brave at what he does. So
Speaker 3: I remember hearing that and just going like, wow, I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's going to work, but I trust you,
Speaker 3: so yeah, I think it's great.
Speaker 1: And then back to the core test. What is the
Speaker 1: core test for a musician?
Speaker 3: You get to experience what everyone else gets. You can
Speaker 3: drive them down wherever you are, it's at the highway
Speaker 3: or the avenue or whatever, and you're blasting it.
Speaker 2: You're like, does this feel good? This feels good?
Speaker 3: Right, put the windows down, let's go just see how
Speaker 3: this sounds, see how it feels in the car.
Speaker 2: I think it's that.
Speaker 3: And I always say when people are naming bands, before
Speaker 3: you decide on it, you've got to ask yourself two things,
Speaker 3: and you go, ah, hello, we are x whatever whatever
Speaker 3: it is, and are you going to see whatever? And
Speaker 3: if it passed those two things, and you can call
Speaker 3: your van manet.
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
Speaker 1: Back to golf, you're in the golf space now, and
Speaker 1: talk to me about what you're trying to do and
Speaker 1: what you want to try and do in golf.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think golf has created such a
Speaker 3: like I said, a stabilizing thing in my life unintentionally,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't. I didn't think I'd end up back
Speaker 3: in the golf space. If you told me six years
Speaker 3: ago that I'd be back playing golf, if you told
Speaker 3: me that I'd be sitting and doing a podcast with
Speaker 3: Claude Harmon, you know, six years ago, I would have
Speaker 3: said bullshit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So you know, I think golf what i've the fade,
Speaker 3: the company that I've just sort of founded over the
Speaker 3: last year. I want people to be able to look
Speaker 3: in on golf and see it asuse of create these
Speaker 3: little like quote unquote on ramps by creating two golf
Speaker 3: and the right kind of on ramp I think, and
Speaker 3: the right sort of vend diagram. I think about lifestyle,
Speaker 3: I think about culture, and I think about performance in
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of there's a lot of.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I love the Bobdos sports guys,
Speaker 3: and I love the barstool guys. I think they're incredible,
Speaker 3: Like that's one style of golf and the way they
Speaker 3: talk about golf, a lot of punditry, a lot of instruction,
Speaker 3: a lot of gear reviews and things like that. And
Speaker 3: then on the other end of there's a lot of
Speaker 3: biohacking when you have two men's other men's interests. Whereas
Speaker 3: I just think, if I can help everyone get not
Speaker 3: in a preachy way, but it's twenty percent better at
Speaker 3: everything that they do. Like if I talk to you
Speaker 3: about you know, we were talking about cycling, ass say,
Speaker 3: one of my best friends is an amazing cyclist. If
Speaker 3: I can ask a cyclist what they get out of
Speaker 3: golf and why they love golf and the allegories, because
Speaker 3: I think there's so many allegories between life and golf
Speaker 3: that nobody thinks about. That's when I started writing about.
Speaker 3: Like if I think about just the last three or
Speaker 3: four articles that I wrote about golf, which turned into
Speaker 3: podcasts where like, you know, a game of millimeters, think
Speaker 3: about there's a hole in the ground five hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty yards away and you've only got five shots to
Speaker 3: get it in there. Like that sounds ridiculous, but you know,
Speaker 3: and like a one millimeter part a tap in because
Speaker 3: you've lipped something out, is the same number of points
Speaker 3: as the three hundred and twenty yard drive that you
Speaker 3: just busted down the fairway. I was just saying to Christian, like,
Speaker 3: you can tell me, I think the other thing. I'm
Speaker 3: rambling a little bit, but I'll land the plane in
Speaker 3: a second. Think about this like golf a round of golf.
Speaker 3: For me, it's this journey that's for you. The only
Speaker 3: thing that anybody else cares about is the number you
Speaker 3: go on this saga. You were behind the tree, you
Speaker 3: were in the trap, you were in the fairway, doing
Speaker 3: all this stuff, and you I can tell you all these,
Speaker 3: like you know, fishing stories about golf. At the end
Speaker 3: of the day, you're going to look at me like
Speaker 3: a would you shoot? So there's a finite thing to
Speaker 3: golf like I love storytelling, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 3: I think I love the finite number of golf of
Speaker 3: self betterment. And it's like the only game in the
Speaker 3: world where we actively make it harder for ourselves as
Speaker 3: we get better. I'm going to go further back if
Speaker 3: you and me go play golf tomorrow and someone turns
Speaker 3: to us and goes the greens are so firm, so fast,
Speaker 3: because is playing so tough and they grew the rough up.
Speaker 2: You and me get excited by that.
Speaker 3: We get excited by how hard it's going to be
Speaker 3: and the challenge, and it's it's the only game of
Speaker 3: the where where we like, we welcome the adversity. So
Speaker 3: I think there's so much allegory to life, and so
Speaker 3: every now and again, like that's why I started Words
Speaker 3: for the Weekend was the first thing I did. These
Speaker 3: weekly articles I was writing on the Fade just became Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just started seeing all these big crossovers between golf
Speaker 3: and life, and I think I'd love to share that
Speaker 3: with a demographic of people that love golf, and it
Speaker 3: just gets typecast this thing it's for old, fat, white guys,
Speaker 3: And I think it's the game is changing and evolving.
Speaker 3: Look where we are, like we're sitting at a live
Speaker 3: golf event. You know, it's one of the most disruptive
Speaker 3: things that's ever happened to golf. But you know where
Speaker 3: it comes out is we will never know. Nobody knows
Speaker 3: at this point, but I don't know. That's That's what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do with the Fade, trying to create
Speaker 3: some culture around the game and the right type of
Speaker 3: culture and I.
Speaker 1: Think right now we're at a really interesting time kind
Speaker 1: of retro golf fashion, the stuff that Steve Marlbarne's doing.
Speaker 1: Our friend John, he's big, he's doing retro kind of
Speaker 1: stuff for foot Joy. And I think there are these.
Speaker 2: Yes by John Mimi all Week.
Speaker 1: There are these people that are kind of they love golf,
Speaker 1: but they're kind of in like a cool hip world.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that everybody's freaking out about Jason
Speaker 1: Day what he's dressed like, I'm like, that's the way
Speaker 1: my dad dressed when he played the PGA Tour, right,
Speaker 1: that's all the clothes that he wore.
Speaker 3: Favorite golf courses, My favorite golf courses, Fish's Island, this
Speaker 3: is probably at the top of my list. Friend of mine,
Speaker 3: Mateo Birrs, remember out there and he I met him
Speaker 3: at the Bill Murray Caddyshack Tournament about five years ago
Speaker 3: when I got back.
Speaker 1: Into Grandfather might have the course record at Fisher's Island.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I think he's got one of these.
Speaker 1: I mean Seminal obviously he's got the course record.
Speaker 2: They're sixty.
Speaker 1: He's got sixty one on both courses at Wingfoot, But
Speaker 1: I think Fisher's Island he might have sixty or sixty
Speaker 1: one at that. I don't know why that rings a
Speaker 1: bell in my head.
Speaker 3: Wingfoot's on my list. I've never played wing Foot. I'd
Speaker 3: say it's fishes. Love National Golf Links of America. That's
Speaker 3: just a dream and like just and the challenge, that's
Speaker 3: what I need. I feel like who designed that course?
Speaker 3: I'm I don't know someone's gonna like tweet at me
Speaker 3: saying how stupid, how stupid I am for not known,
Speaker 3: but I love National Golf Links.
Speaker 1: Have you done any of the Core Crunchhaw, Friar's Head,
Speaker 1: sand Hills, any of that stuff?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, I mean, like, like I said, I only got
Speaker 3: back into golf about five years ago, and I've only
Speaker 3: just started playing that tier of sort of golf courses
Speaker 3: in the last like two or three.
Speaker 1: You played the Midam last year, Yeah, Yeah, I played it.
Speaker 3: I played at elmcrest and the qualifier and missed by
Speaker 3: a shot bergie the last three hundred and twenty yard
Speaker 3: part four I should have hit a part four iron
Speaker 3: down there or maybe it's three fifty and then got
Speaker 3: it on the green and I missed by a shot.
Speaker 3: I think qualifying you figured just smoke driver and yeah,
Speaker 3: and pulled it onto the range and made burgie and yeah.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: So I've started playing competitively again. I mean golf for me,
Speaker 3: that's what I mean. It keeps me really self accountable,
Speaker 3: keeps my mind in the right place. If I want
Speaker 3: to play great golf, I have to really really I
Speaker 3: like I said, it's like planning. I have to plan things.
Speaker 3: I have to check my ego at the door. I
Speaker 3: play so much a ballet country club. The part five
Speaker 3: there is at fourteen just absolutely torments me because it's
Speaker 3: it's a fading hole. I hit a draw, you know,
Speaker 3: I fly my driver what three ten maybe three fifteen,
Speaker 3: So I can't really like, I can't hit driver up
Speaker 3: the right hand side because everything is going to run
Speaker 3: down into the water. If I hit a draw, it's
Speaker 3: going to run into that water. So I'd have to
Speaker 3: hit a cut, which I'd struggle with. If I hit
Speaker 3: it straight, it's going to go in the water. Then
Speaker 3: even if I do hit a good drive, I've still
Speaker 3: got to hit like a I've still got a two
Speaker 3: hundred and forty yard shot in and there's like about
Speaker 3: six feet in front of that green. But my ego
Speaker 3: wants to get let me get on the green. It's
Speaker 3: all running downhill, down green. What I really should do
Speaker 3: is it a three iron, a three iron, A love
Speaker 3: words and trying to make birdie.
Speaker 2: Or five at worse and then get the buck out
Speaker 2: of there. But I can't.
Speaker 3: So like, golf keeps me very humble, and I think
Speaker 3: it'll continue to do that for like forever. So like
Speaker 3: and the whole comeback thing that we're doing now.
Speaker 2: So talk about the combat.
Speaker 3: Okay, what I'm doing at here is I think with
Speaker 3: the help of people like yourself and some of the
Speaker 3: best players in the world, I can get to a
Speaker 3: level where I can compete it at least US amateur level,
Speaker 3: because when I know when I'm playing well, I know
Speaker 3: I can feel it again. I can feel that it
Speaker 3: was like playing in that USGA event last year. Was
Speaker 3: it was like holding onto an electric fence and I
Speaker 3: loved it, you know. So I love that feeling of
Speaker 3: competing again. So basically this year I'll be out with
Speaker 3: I'm aiming to be out at every live event with
Speaker 3: a live team and they you know, like this week
Speaker 3: I played I had a putting lesson with Herbert on
Speaker 3: Tuesday with Lucas Herbert from Ripeater Smith Cam Smith Team
Speaker 3: rep A GC and then I got to play with
Speaker 3: Bryson de Shamba the next day, which you think about that,
Speaker 3: I've never seen anyone with such a low spin rate
Speaker 3: control a ball that's traveling three hundred and twenty yards
Speaker 3: in the year.
Speaker 2: I was like, it looks like it's fake.
Speaker 3: Just the first thing I said to him, And you know,
Speaker 3: he loves talking numbers, and I was like, what is
Speaker 3: that spin rate on that driver?
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know, like two thousand, and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's nuts.
Speaker 1: DJ's around the same. DJ when he plays his best,
Speaker 1: it's kind of under twenty two hundred. He's like eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred to twenty two hundred's the sweet.
Speaker 2: Such as knuckling, Well, just what they do, right, It's just.
Speaker 1: The way that you know their kind of movement. You know,
Speaker 1: DJ's got you know, really flat little the boat lefters,
Speaker 1: but then he threw impact. He's got what the move
Speaker 1: they call the cobra where he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: forward chafflin and then after that, but yeah, and where
Speaker 1: Brooks is kind of in that twenty five to twenty
Speaker 1: six range. So everybody's ballflight's different. It's been fascinating to
Speaker 1: watch Bryson kind of change his public persona. You know,
Speaker 1: he's become a fan favorite. And when he came out
Speaker 1: on tour, he was really divisive and he was kind
Speaker 1: of the odd ball, like nobody could really relate to him.
Speaker 1: He had these weird clubs, he had all this stuff.
Speaker 1: What do you like about it?
Speaker 3: What do I like about Bryson? His attention to detail,
Speaker 3: his anything. Man, I've spent my life around you know.
Speaker 3: The mixing engineer who helped Kevin mix the first two
Speaker 3: albums said, the changes that you were making, Dave Fridman
Speaker 3: said this. He said, Kevin, the changes you are making
Speaker 3: is like changing taking a piece of lint off the
Speaker 3: back of the sun.
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
Speaker 3: And I think Bryson does that, and I think it's
Speaker 3: because his attention to detail has got to do with him.
Speaker 3: He needs to make those checks and balances in order
Speaker 3: for him to be mentally in the right place to
Speaker 3: play the game. And that's your thing, man, that's swing.
Speaker 3: I wrote a thing called swing your swing. You've got
Speaker 3: to be able to do what you need to do
Speaker 3: to win, like whatever your tick is, and like him
Speaker 3: being that obsessive, compulsive about you know, soaking his golf
Speaker 3: balls and have some salts, and his attention to detail
Speaker 3: is is phenomenal. I wish I could have that much intention.
Speaker 3: I'm more of like a feel kind of guy. I'm
Speaker 3: a bit robotic with my golf swing. Herbie was trying
Speaker 3: to get me to use even more feel with my putting.
Speaker 3: He's like, you're very artistic and everything else you do
Speaker 3: in your life except.
Speaker 1: For you're trying to paint by numbers when you put Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: He was trying to get me to He's like, embrace
Speaker 3: that sort of artistic side where.
Speaker 2: He's stopped trying to be so rigid.
Speaker 3: You know, that's the reason why you're probably missing putts,
Speaker 3: because you're thinking about what's going on at your feet
Speaker 3: instead of what's going on up at the holt. He
Speaker 3: was trying to get me to work on capture speed.
Speaker 3: It's like, do you want it to hit the back
Speaker 3: of the cup or do you want it to fall
Speaker 3: in the front, things like that, because it changes your entire.
Speaker 1: Part capture speed. I've never heard anyone say that about
Speaker 1: that concept of speed control. We call it speed control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: distance control but capture speed is a really really interesting
Speaker 1: kind of way to talk about putting. Yeah, because the
Speaker 1: hall is capturing the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd never heard it before, and I was like, hmm,
Speaker 3: capture speed. So I was working with Herbie. I was
Speaker 3: working with him on capture speed earlier this week. But
Speaker 3: I mean, bryceon you can just see that. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's he's so athletic. The exploit where I was talking
Speaker 3: to him about the other sports he said, I played
Speaker 3: volleyball when I was young. I was like, that's going
Speaker 3: to help you with your fast witch stuff I was
Speaker 3: talking with about. Nearly every sport he did was like
Speaker 3: an explosion.
Speaker 2: He was a long jumper, That's right.
Speaker 3: He was a long two explosion, which makes you and
Speaker 3: that's what I have, Like I'm not a very good
Speaker 3: long distance runner. I have a lot of fast switch
Speaker 3: Like I boxed really good baseball player, and then golf
Speaker 3: came really naturally to me because I could just swing
Speaker 3: the golf club really fast and it was trying to
Speaker 3: slow everything down.
Speaker 2: So Bryson, the most impressive thing is his like utter
Speaker 2: attention to detail.
Speaker 3: And I always say, the best people at any job,
Speaker 3: whether it's music or golf or motor sport or anything
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Is your attention to intention how focused.
Speaker 3: You are and how intentionally you are being, the better
Speaker 3: you're going to be at anything that you do.
Speaker 1: Lastly, where can people find all the stuff you do? Obviously,
Speaker 1: Team and Paula, how many records? How many albums?
Speaker 3: I should know this? We've had four. I think the
Speaker 3: fifth one is the fifth one. Katy is probably working
Speaker 3: on a fifth one right now, would imagine.
Speaker 1: And you do your own music as well, Spotify people
Speaker 1: to find you that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been I'm working passively on an album right now.
Speaker 3: I just had a meeting with my publisher the other day,
Speaker 3: so I'll be putting out solo stuff over the next year.
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to try and put something out in
Speaker 3: the next month.
Speaker 1: The Fade people can find that.
Speaker 2: So the Fade we're sort of going out. You can see.
Speaker 3: The Fade is on Instagram. I have a sub stack.
Speaker 3: The Fade dot com will probably up in the next
Speaker 3: couple of months. It might be lived and how when
Speaker 3: this is going to come out? But the Fade is
Speaker 3: on Instagram. And The Comeback is the show that I've
Speaker 3: been developing with Convicts, the production company from Australia, my
Speaker 3: friend Pete made and Tom Law So I'm partnering.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing here this week.
Speaker 3: I'm partnering with Convicts Australia to work and The Fade
Speaker 3: are getting together developed the show The Comeback.
Speaker 1: So because we're living in a great time for content, right,
Speaker 1: there's so many different avenues for people to get whatever
Speaker 1: content they want out. You can get it on YouTube
Speaker 1: and get it on Instagram, I mean all the different channels.
Speaker 1: I think there is a lot of content for people
Speaker 1: that want to see maybe something different in the golf space.
Speaker 2: Well, you're able to live. Especially.
Speaker 3: The best thing about the way that's going where content
Speaker 3: and where consumption media consumption is going is you can
Speaker 3: live in a niche within a niche, and I think
Speaker 3: that's the best thing about it. Like, I'm a bass
Speaker 3: player who also likes playing golf, So that's the first
Speaker 3: question I get asked when someone comes out here, they go,
Speaker 3: like the guy from Taman Pilot as a scratch hand,
Speaker 3: he gap, that's a bit weird, but you know that's
Speaker 3: but And my voice, my voice in golf and in
Speaker 3: the Fade, the Fades voice is very different to.
Speaker 2: Your voice.
Speaker 3: Anyone else's voice because you're talking a lot about more
Speaker 3: instruction or like I'm going to go have a talk
Speaker 3: to Jonah now and Joan is going to talk to
Speaker 3: me about sports psychology. Mine comes from this sort of
Speaker 3: cultural artistic side and how I think that can impact
Speaker 3: your golf and impact your.
Speaker 1: Life frustrated art, fashion, music. So to get the opportunity
Speaker 1: to speak with somebody like you is amazing. And when
Speaker 1: I started the podcast, this was my idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to talk to the best players in the world,
Speaker 1: the best coaches in the world, the best caddies and
Speaker 1: people in the golf space. But I'm fascinated how important
Speaker 1: and how much a part of people's lives golf is
Speaker 1: because I have to take time away from golf right
Speaker 1: because it's so all encompassing for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like mad with music.
Speaker 1: John George, keyboard player for Rufus Dasol. I've been spending
Speaker 1: some time with him. They're about to go on a
Speaker 1: two year tour. Yeah, I've hooked him up with a
Speaker 1: rap Sodo Launch monitor. He's got a net. He was
Speaker 1: trying to get a simulator and he was like, the
Speaker 1: roadies are like, dude, we're gonna have to tear this
Speaker 1: thing down. Where's it gonna say? So? I got him
Speaker 1: the rap Sodo, he's got the Bryson return net, he
Speaker 1: got a matt and he's got a little iPad. And
Speaker 1: I said, you can play golf courses. So he on
Speaker 1: tour is going.
Speaker 2: To be taken. Man, I'm what's John, i'mna be hitting
Speaker 2: you up, buddy.
Speaker 3: Let's play. Let's play. That's the best thing is the
Speaker 3: last thing I'll finished. Like one of my best friends,
Speaker 3: I've become really good friends with a guy called Dom
Speaker 3: Cursier and he, you know, found Googenheim Bank. And we
Speaker 3: were talking to each other the other day and Dom's
Speaker 3: I think he's probably in his late fifties. And Dom's like,
Speaker 3: in what world there's a guy who grew up you know,
Speaker 3: lower middle class, you know, lower glower class, if I'm
Speaker 3: being honest, in Australia from Perth, from Freemantle, Australia, and
Speaker 3: someone like yourself who's very self major Cargan, who built
Speaker 3: his way up into in what world do we see
Speaker 3: eye to I? And we want to spend hours and
Speaker 3: hours and hours and hours and hours of time together.
Speaker 3: And I love picking his brain about work, you know,
Speaker 3: but it all comes from this relationship we built around
Speaker 3: playing golf. Let's go play golf and talk about whatever
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about. And I think that's that's
Speaker 3: the best thing. You would mean, the same thing it brings.
Speaker 3: It makes the world a lot smaller when you play golf.
Speaker 1: I'll say that my wife's brother lives in Perth and
Speaker 1: he's an avid golfer. So listen, man, really great to
Speaker 1: talk to you. I'm excited to see all the cool
Speaker 1: stuff you're doing and team and Pola is in heavy,
Speaker 1: heavy rotation. Arena Alex one of the golfers I teach,
Speaker 1: she just retired from the LPGA. She saw the picture
Speaker 1: of you and I together, She's like, you're kidding me, right.
Speaker 1: They're one of my favorite bands. So I've got a
Speaker 1: lot of street credit for having you. And my daughter
Speaker 1: is insanely jealous because she's like, you're gonna meet the
Speaker 1: guy from Taman Paula.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great talking to you. I thank thank you so much. Man.
Speaker 1: So that was Cameron Avery from tam and Paula And listen,
Speaker 1: I could have talked to that guy all day. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we share a passion for not only golf,
Speaker 1: but music, art, fashion and stuff, and those are the
Speaker 1: people that I absolutely love talking to because golf is
Speaker 1: such an important part of everyone's life. And you know,
Speaker 1: there are people that do other things and are famous
Speaker 1: for other things. But to listen to to Cameron, I mean,
Speaker 1: he only wanted to talk about golf and all I
Speaker 1: want to do is talk about music. So really really
Speaker 1: cool and uh, I think he's doing some cool stuff.
Speaker 1: Check out the projects that he's got, check out the
Speaker 1: music that he does, and I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Speaker 1: So it was down at the Live event last week
Speaker 1: in Adelaide, over one hundred thousand people and listen, it
Speaker 1: was a great event. Dom Dalla one of the best
Speaker 1: DJs on the planet right now. He played Friday night
Speaker 1: and it was crazy. I got to give him a
Speaker 1: golf lesson, which was pretty damn cool for me. I
Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you. Fisher closed the show. The
Speaker 1: golf course is great. A lot of unbelievable bunkering down
Speaker 1: in Australia and listen to the fans came out and
Speaker 1: it's the third year we've been down there. For the
Speaker 1: people that are on the Live tour and it just
Speaker 1: gets better and better. They announced the deal that they're
Speaker 1: signing to twenty thirty one, and I think it just
Speaker 1: shows that Australia is starving to see the best players
Speaker 1: in the world, and hopefully the best players in the
Speaker 1: world can get down there more often because it is
Speaker 1: a very very cool place to go. I got to
Speaker 1: do a dinner over at Royal Adelaide across the street
Speaker 1: there's a train that goes through the middle of the
Speaker 1: golf course and again it looks cool. The golf courses
Speaker 1: down there are some of my favorites, and the bunkering
Speaker 1: I think in Australia in the sand Belt golf courses
Speaker 1: are some of the best anywhere in the world. So
Speaker 1: really really cool week. And I can't say enough about
Speaker 1: Ludwig Oberg winning at Torrey Pines and the Genesis Kids
Speaker 1: stud I'd be absolutely shocked if he doesn't win a
Speaker 1: major this year. I mean, that's how good the talent is.
Speaker 1: We've had Joe Scavern on the podcast before, longtime caddy
Speaker 1: for Ricky Fowler who's now caddying for Ludwig and see,
Speaker 1: I think he's got one of the best golf swings
Speaker 1: in the game. And I just think that the future
Speaker 1: is beyond bright for Ludwig and I think you're going
Speaker 1: to see him win majors. I think you're going to
Speaker 1: continue to see him win big tournaments because with that
Speaker 1: kind of golf swing, the sky is the limit. Rate review,
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