1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host, 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. So when I started the podcast, the idea 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: was to get people obviously in the golf space. Players, caddies, coaches, 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: people that everybody kind of knows are in the golf space. 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: But I also wanted to talk to people who aren't 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: necessarily golfers. They're in other walks of life, but golf 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: is a huge, huge part of their life. And so 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: I was down in Australia last week for the live 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: event in Adelaide and got to catch up with Cameron Avery. 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Cameron is the bass player for one of my favorite bands, 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: Team and Paula. I'm a huge fan. And Cameron was 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: a very very good competitive amateur golfer. He talks about, 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, kind of thinking about going to play Division 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: I college golf in America, but chose to forge a 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: career in music. And like I said, Tam and Paula 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: they headlined Glastonbury a couple of years ago, a huge 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: band out of Perth, Australia. And I mean, this guy's 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: got a very very good golf swing, played in the 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: US mid Am last year and loves golf. He's doing 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: some stuff in the golf space. So these are the 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: kind of podcasts that you know, when you have your 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: own podcast, you can kind of bring on people you want. 23 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: And Cameron, I'm a huge fan of what he does 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: in music and to get to talk to him about 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of the merging of music and golf and kind 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: of that world that a lot of people are getting 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: into now content creation. So bass player for one of 28 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: the coolest bands around and loves golf and golf is 29 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: important to his life, So this is a cool one. 30 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: And Cameron Avery. 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: On The Son of a Butch podcast. 32 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Cameron, first of all, when I started doing this podcast, 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: the idea was to get people in the golf space. 34 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: And one of the cool things about having your own 35 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: podcast is you can kind of do what the hell 36 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: you want. And so the fact that I'm actually going 37 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: to interview you and you love golf, but you're also 38 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: in Tam and Paula, which is one of my favorite bands, 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: is just kind of surreal to me. I think we're 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: in a really interesting time in golf to where there 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: seems to be like a crossover between like music, fashion 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: and people like yourself that are you know, on tour 43 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: in huge bands. I mean the fact that you guys 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: played Glastonbury headline Glastonbury, but you're also a scratch golfer 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: and golf is a huge part of your DNA, the 46 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: mix of golf and music for you. 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: What's that like? 48 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: Well at the beginning, in the beginning, it was only golf, 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: like it was up until I was probably eighteen. That's 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: all I wanted to be. I used to like buy 51 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: these sort of like Diet Burbery shirts. I wanted to 52 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: be Adam Scott much to like the you know, the 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: DNA of like your DNA, literally your DNA. I used 54 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: to just I would lord over. I mean I had 55 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: the same blades as him. I wanted to be Adam 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: Scott and Tiger Woods until I was like sixteen or seventeen, 57 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: and then I didn't play for like ten years, and 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: then I went through a pretty weird time in my life, 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: and golf sort of came back to me and sort of, 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: I don't want to say like propped me up, right, 61 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: but golf has this thing for me that it makes 62 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: me very self accountable, just sort of inherently because I 63 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: think there's no one else to blame, you know, the 64 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 3: allegory to life. I think is the most amazing thing 65 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 3: that I love about golf. That's the most amazing thing 66 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: I think take away from it. 67 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: I think we all want to be Adam Scott, right, 68 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean I think everybody. I mean, I've known Scotty 69 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: for a long time. My dad and I worked with him. 70 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's like sometimes I feel like he's a 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: member of the family, but he is just he's such 72 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: a unique character. And I think for those of us 73 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: that know him privately, as cool as everyone thinks he is, 74 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: like he's even cooler because there's so many things that 75 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: he's into. The vintage Rolex stuff. You know, he's big 76 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: into fashion. He loves kind of anything vintage. He's into 77 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: ye and that's kind of my vibe. I know you're 78 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: big into that too. He's always been kind of at 79 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: the forefront of golf fashion, from Burberry to Acquascutum to Uniclode. Now, 80 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: what do you think is kind of Scotty's style stuff 81 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: that everybody loves so much? 82 00:03:59,040 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: It's he is. 83 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: He has this thing, including his golf swing, including I 84 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: think the partnership, like the commercial partnership deals he does 85 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: with Rolex in Uniclo on Berby Before that he's just 86 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: utterly timeless. Everything he does, it's timeless, but somehow he's 87 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: timely as well, So like he's sort of pushing this 88 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: sort of yeah, and he's he's always stuck to his guns. 89 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: He's never he's never followed a trend. He's always worn 90 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: the same kind of tailored pant and the kind of 91 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: a silhouette that he's always cut. You can tell that 92 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: he puts a lot of thought into that. And I 93 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: was surprised when I got to play with him last 94 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: year at Castle Pines. I was probably didn't give myself 95 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: enough credit for how nervous I was because Bussy, his caddy, 96 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: was like I knew Bussy and buscoes, hey mate, are 97 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: you playing? And that pro am tomorrow? He goes, what 98 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: do you want to play with Scotty and I was 99 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: like and I sort of was like yeah, sure, just 100 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: sort of like palmed it off, like yeah, this is 101 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: gonna be great. 102 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna love this, and yeah. 103 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: I didn't realize how nervous I would be on that 104 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: first tea because I was kind of like, you know, 105 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: it's been I didn't play golf for ten years, so 106 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: I was very much out of the golf community. But 107 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: then when he was sending in front of me and 108 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: I had to hit a t shot in front of him, 109 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: I was kind of just like WHOA. But he definitely 110 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: has that aura, and I think it comes from his 111 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: attention to detail and his intention with his golf swing, 112 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: with what he's wearing. Like you said with you don't 113 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: become a collector of vintage rolex Is unless your attention 114 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: to detail is you know, unless you very have a 115 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: very high attention to detail. 116 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: And he's always kind of been this kind of international 117 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: amount of mystery. I mean the house in Switzerland, he 118 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: lives in the Bahamas. You know, he's married to a 119 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: Swedish you know, he used to have an appointment in Stockholm. 120 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: He's always I didn't know he lived in New York. 121 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: He justaid because I lived in Manhattan, and he's sort 122 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: of just going like he's like, oh, he used to 123 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 3: live there, and I was like what, so yeah, I 124 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: mean it's and I kind of love that, like I've 125 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: always you know, and I think it's in the age 126 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: of like social media. I think it's the opposite of 127 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: what we used to We used to love think about 128 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: rock stars or actors. We used to love when there 129 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: was a bit of mystery about them, you know. But 130 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: now these days people just stick cameras in front of 131 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: their faces every single day and broadcast themselves, you know. 132 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: So I think it's kind of nice to have someone who's, 133 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: you know, just lets his golf do the talking and 134 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: his brand identity and everything else that he does. 135 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: He kind of follows the old school model of Hollywood, right. 136 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: The worst thing in all Hollywood would be to be infamous. 137 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: You were trying to be famous, and Scotty has always 138 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: kind of managed this kind of cool. He's he's I mean, 139 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: I was with him a couple a month ago in Dubai. 140 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, he's timeless. He's aging well 141 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: and the golf swing is still amazing. 142 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: Getting better because I was looking, I mean, I was 143 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: just looking. I used to try and swing it like him. 144 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not as fit as I used to be, 145 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: but there's a lot of sort of his DNA in 146 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: my golf swing and watching how compact his swing is 147 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: becoming now, because I remember he used to have that 148 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 3: really really long high left arm that sort of went 149 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: up near his chin, and now he's really flattened it 150 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: out and his right arm is a lot closer, like 151 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: his hand are a lot more in front of his body, 152 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: and it's like he's getting stronger. I feel like, and 153 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: watching him hit balls for nine holes that day at 154 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: altitude was like with something else was incredible. I can't 155 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 3: believe the flight when it comes off the club base, Like, 156 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 3: how is that possible? The optimal spin with his driver 157 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: or his mini driver or whatever he's carrying right now. 158 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: And I think the other thing about Adam is there's 159 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: this like synergy with Roger Federer on the tennis side. 160 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, they're both role ex ambassadors. They've always kind 161 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: of done things kind of in a very very classy way. 162 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: They're both uniclo ambassadors now and it's kind of like 163 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: they're the gold standard of Like I always say to 164 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: the young people that are playing professional golf for the 165 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: first time and they're starting out their career, I'm like, 166 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: if you could model your career off of an athlete, 167 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: especially in the golf space, Adam Scott would be a great, 168 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: great person to do. 169 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's perfect. 170 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned that you took up golf and you probably 171 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: could have played division. Did you ever think of going 172 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: to the US and trying to play Division one college golf. 173 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. 174 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: I remember there was some conversations I had with U 175 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: and LV and a little bit with there was someone 176 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: and at one of the uzzy ams that was my 177 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: grades were terrible. 178 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: Let's get that out of the way. 179 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 3: I was already kind of like goofing around playing guitar 180 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: a little bit and surfing every day. 181 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, I wanted to go. 182 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: I mean my dream was to like get into a 183 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: Division one college team and play golf and then graduate 184 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: and then going to the PGA too. That's that was 185 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: everything I wanted to be. That was everything I can 186 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: think about, so definitely, and then I guess music sort 187 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: of just became this thing that like, I think I 188 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: also realized I wasn't a killer like I needed to be. 189 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: And I think I read that you said that one 190 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: of the reasons why you didn't continue to pursue a 191 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: career in kind of professional golf is you looked at 192 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: the greatest players and they all have that kind of 193 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: killer instincts. Some of them wear that very much on 194 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: their sleeve, some kind of have that silent kind of 195 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: killer instinct. I think Scotty Scheffler has that right now. 196 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: He's such a great guy. The way he lives his 197 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: life on and off the golf course. He's kind of 198 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: like the Tom Hanks of golf. But he is a 199 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: stone cold killer. If he has chances to win, he 200 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: is going. 201 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: It in his way. 202 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: He'd off he WIT's what I mean like, And I 203 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 3: kind of recognized that I had, like some pers I 204 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: used to play against Jason Scrivner. I played against Danny 205 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: Lee a couple of times, and I remember, like I 206 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 3: was like the I think it was like the Lake 207 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: Macquarie Championship somewhere in New South Wales, like I'd played 208 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: a really great couple of days. Can remember what I shot. 209 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: I'm probably even or two one that I can't remember. 210 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: Danny won by like eight shots, shot like ten under 211 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: or something like that, and just absolutely destroyed, destroyed the field. 212 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: And I just was like, I'm watching his focus coming 213 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: up the fairway, and I was, you know, already having 214 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: a good time. 215 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: And I love having my friends, and I just never 216 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: really I loved hitting great golf. 217 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: Shots and I loved competing, But when I really came 218 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: down to it, I think I recognized that by the 219 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: time I was twenty one, twenty two, twenty three that 220 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: I didn't really have that like real killer thing that 221 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: I saw other people that other people had. And then 222 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: and music sort of just became you know. I think 223 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: I said to Brett Rumfort, I had to I felt 224 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 3: so nervous. I had to go to his you know, 225 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: went around to his house and we went hit golf balls, 226 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 3: and the ranger I said, I don't know if I 227 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: want to do this, and he'd sort of reared me 228 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: from a very young age to play golf, and I 229 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: sort of looked at him, and I think I remember saying, like, 230 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 3: I think I want to make things, not win things. 231 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: You know, like if I make a song or an 232 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 3: album or a film or or like something like, then 233 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 3: you know that's mine forever. Whereas I feel like someone's 234 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: gonna win that tournament next year, and I don't know, 235 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: I just that's the way I thought when I was 236 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: seventeen or eighteen, and you know, up into my twenties, 237 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: that's sort of Yeah. 238 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: The Melville Glades Championship. You were supposed to play in 239 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: that big tournament. 240 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like so there's this thing called how 241 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: old were you? 242 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: That was probably when I was twenty one or twenty two, 243 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: and so I was already into the senior division and 244 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 3: there was this your state Packston Averages and I needed 245 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: to maintain a certain level to qualify for the West 246 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: Australian state team or qualify for playing interstate events and 247 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: things like that, and I just remember I was teetering. 248 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 3: I was wavering on, like the golf thing, and then 249 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: I hadn't told Brett that I don't think I want 250 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: to compete anymore. I was trying to pick a job, 251 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: you know, I was trying to I had these grand 252 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: ideas of I had to pick something that I had 253 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: to do with the rest of my life. And I 254 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: remember like Oasis was playing. It was like I think 255 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: it was one of their last shows. I'll have to 256 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: find out when exactly what year this was, because I 257 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: think it was like one of their last shows in 258 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: Australia before they broke up. And they were playing with 259 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: I want to say wolf Mother or either them on 260 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: kings Leon at this big vestival called Rocket in Jodle 261 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 3: Up and I remember just going like, yeah, I'm going 262 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: to go to the Oasis concert. 263 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: So an Oasis concert instead of going and play an 264 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: amateur golf from Is that the one where Liam Gallagher 265 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: got arrested on the flight coming down to Australia. You 266 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: got arrested for drinking excessively on a flight, I think 267 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: on a virgin flight down to Australia. 268 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: That's a weird thing to do between England and Australia 269 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: because I feel like at the Ash isn't coming to 270 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: talk about cricket now. I feel like they have competitions 271 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: who can drink the most amount of beers between here 272 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: in London. I don't I can't imagine. I mean, I mean, 273 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: I don't remember that him getting arrested, but I'm not surprised. 274 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: Back then, we'll get back to golf in a minute. 275 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: Music. How did you get into music? 276 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: I guess it was my mom was a singer. My 277 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: mom sang on the boats. That's how she met my dad. 278 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: My dad drove the boat, my mum sang on the boat. 279 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: My mom was a musician. What kind of it was 280 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: like in these wine cruises they have in Perth, they 281 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: have these like wine cruises and my dad drove the 282 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: boat and my mom sang on the boat, and that's 283 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: the really how they met. So my mom would do 284 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: these like floor shows at the end of the like 285 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: on the wine cruiser, when everyone had a bit to 286 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: drink that you drop them off at a winery. They 287 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: get a bit pissed and on the way back, my 288 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: mom would you know, start singing these sort of like 289 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: show tunes. I eventually got that job, by the way, 290 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: because I needed money when I was trying to be 291 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: a pro golfer. 292 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: So you sing while you were trying to be a 293 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: pro golfer. Your singing a wine. 294 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: Cruise, Yeah, I was singing on this little riverboat. Yeah, yeah, 295 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: riverboat cruise. 296 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: What kind of music were you singing? 297 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: I can't remember. I think it was like Sinatra songs. 298 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: My mom like raised me on that kind of stuff. So, 299 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: I mean, but before then, like I would sing in 300 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: the car, and I didn't realize how much I was 301 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: into music. When I was a kid. I was like, no, 302 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: I always wanted to be a sportsman, she's And then 303 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: she sent me these pictures I'd turned like tennis rackets 304 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: into guitars by putting shoelaces over the thing. And then 305 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: like she says, you always wanted to sing, She saying, 306 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: when you were little, you would like sing the same 307 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: song to a party of people when you would. You know, 308 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: I always loved it. I think it's the performing thing. 309 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's egomaniacle or not, but I was. 310 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: It was kind of like I always wanted to perform, 311 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 3: you know. And then as I got older, I think 312 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: I was a weird looking kid. I was like this big, 313 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: sort of lanky, goofy where braces, kind of chubby and weird. 314 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: And I figured if I got a guitar and I 315 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: could play guitar like at house parties or wherever I was, 316 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: I might get a girlfriend. 317 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: You know. It was just a big ploy. This is 318 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: a big ploy to get girls. 319 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: And then I ended up doing it for the rest 320 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: of my life, you know, for the next eighteen years 321 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: of my life. So I got into that. And then 322 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: there's a guy called Adam sort of taught me how 323 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: to play. I used to go into the music groom 324 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 3: at lunch times and when he would just teach me. 325 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: Stuff and guitar, guitano, guitar. 326 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: I had piano lessons when I was eight, and I 327 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 3: can't read music, and I'm like dyslexic, so I can't 328 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: really I could never get the eg BDF kind of 329 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 3: stay I can't still to this day, I still can'try music. 330 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: How many instruments do you play? 331 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: Just the basic like I played guitar first, and then 332 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: I started playing piano, and then I played drums for 333 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: a ban called Pond, and then I played bass. 334 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: Bass was the last one. 335 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: Was the last instrument that I sort of really got into, 336 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: and that's probably I'm probably the best at bass now, 337 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: just from learn Kevin Parker's basslines for the last you 338 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 3: know whatever. 339 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: It is twelve years or so. 340 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: When you're on on tour, when you are playing with 341 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: Team and Parla, how many instruments in the show when 342 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: you are playing live? How many instruments will you play? 343 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: Mate? It's pretty wiry up there. We've got like. 344 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: How many people are For people that don't know, how 345 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: many people are in the band. 346 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: I think there's five of us, and then there's two 347 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: drum kits for starters, which is there's only one drummer. 348 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: It's two drum kits. 349 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: Jay has something like three or four synths on his 350 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: side and kronos like a keyboard. Dom has I want 351 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: to say three or four, maybe five, and then he 352 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: has five or six guitar lines. I can't remember it's 353 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: it's somewhere around that number five or six guitar lines. 354 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: I have a. 355 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: Bass line and a bass synth line. Kevin has two 356 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: or three guitar lines, So there's like I guess on 357 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: stage there'd be something. 358 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: I know there's something like. 359 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: Forty channels get like for five guys, like forty channels 360 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: going to the mixing console. 361 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: It's probably more. I can't remember, and most bands would 362 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: have white if there is. 363 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: Let's listen, we've got five. 364 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: You go think there's like ten mics and a drum kit, 365 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: you know, and there's five. There's there'd be you know, 366 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: someone playing guitar. There's another channel, and then you've got 367 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: someone playing bass. There's another channel, and then you've got 368 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: someone playing and then a singer, you know, So you'd 369 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: probably have twenty maybe twenty twenty five. We have so 370 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: many it's absurd. But I think that's literally one of 371 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: the funnest things I've been able to do over the 372 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: last like ten years is playing in that band is 373 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: like they're the best musicians in the world that I've 374 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: ever played with in my life, the most talented ones 375 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: I've ever met. Like playing bass along to Julian Barbeguello's drums. 376 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: Every night is a dream. 377 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: And part of the fun is like we take these 378 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: like opuses that Kevin writes and pull them apart and 379 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: every rehearsal and go, how are we going to play 380 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: this song that Sometimes it's something that Kevin came up 381 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: with it, like in the middle of the night after 382 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: drinking a bottle of wine, you know, like so and 383 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: so we sort of, you know, I learn all the 384 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: bass lines, and then Dom will help, like Dom the 385 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: keyboard player will help, like synthesize the sounds, like he'll 386 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: recreate a synth sound. 387 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: If we can't take that synth. 388 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: On the road, Dom will help recreate it, and you know, 389 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: and putting these songs sort of it sounds silly, but 390 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 3: putting these songs back together from these like yeah, amazing 391 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: arrangements that Kevin puts on the albums and figuring out 392 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: how to make those sounds so that the crowd isn't 393 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: disappointed when you know, so they can bring these songs 394 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: to life. 395 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: Is what I'm trying to say. 396 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: Is one of the funnest things, Like the rehearsal is 397 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: nearly just as fun for the for then the shows. 398 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: How much do you think learning music, practicing music, being 399 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: obsessed with music is kind of similar to the obsession 400 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: that you and a lot of people who listen to 401 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: the pod have about golf. Are they similar? 402 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: I would say golf helped me become a better musician 403 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: in the sense that because I can't read music, but 404 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: I learned how to break down tasks. I remember I 405 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: got taught at ver at young age about like practice schedules, 406 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: but which obviously we could talk about that for hours, 407 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: like in the morning. It would be like, if I'm 408 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: trying to learn a skill, you know, like if you're 409 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: trying to make a swing change, you need to, you know, 410 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: first start doing with like, you know, a fifty percent 411 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: shot on the range, and then start speeding it up 412 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: a bit, and then eventually you can take it out 413 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: into practice rounds, and then eventually. 414 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: You can use it in competition, you know. 415 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: So basically golf helped me become obsessively specific about certain things. 416 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: So if I'm trying to learn a song, maybe it's 417 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 3: a baseline that's quite tricky, I will play it two 418 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 3: different tempos and then I'll play it I'll play it 419 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: really slow, and then I'll play it really fast. I'll 420 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: play it in a swung way, I'll play it in 421 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: a different rhythm, and it gives me this ability to 422 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: moti memorize songs. So like I think obsessive specificity is 423 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: something that golfers and musicians have in kind. Is that 424 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: like there's a broad stroke and a broad goal, but 425 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 3: being able to break that task down or that song 426 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: down into different sounds and different channels and different techniques 427 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: is something that there's massive crossover I think between musicians 428 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: and golfers in that sense. Mentally, I think the mental 429 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: approach to making a great song or for me, it's 430 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: like learning a great song or achieving something on stage. Weirdly, 431 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: I like performing a lot more than being in studio. 432 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 3: So if I'm trying to learn a performance, whether it's 433 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: me playing solo piano or playing in tamapala or anything, 434 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 3: I think learn a performance and learning how to swing 435 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 3: a golf club became very It came very naturally to 436 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 3: me because of that. Kevin I think even said that 437 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: once He's like Cam's more of like a musical jock 438 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 3: than anything else. 439 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: Writing music versus making music, like writing songs and stuff. 440 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: I read once you said you don't try and write songs. 441 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: You wait for the songs to come to. 442 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: You said me, Yeah, I mean it's it's it's a 443 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: weird one. I'm not like like spiritual, but it's a 444 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 3: funny thing like I sort of wait for I feel 445 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: like sometimes if I like smash my head up against 446 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: a wall, like I'm going like write a song, write 447 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: a song. 448 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: Write a hit. 449 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: Right, Maybe that's why I would never be a great 450 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: like sort of you know, one of those like Max 451 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: Martin kind of like pop song churning them out, churning 452 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: them ot, churing them out. I wouldn't be great at 453 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: that because I get no joy out of this kind 454 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: of like sitting there and kind of like trying to 455 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: write a pop song. And it never really works for 456 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: me either. So I think, like I write down lots 457 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 3: of bits and pieces. So if I'm writing a song, 458 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 3: it usually starts with lyrics. Like last night, but right 459 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: before I went to bed, I had a couple of 460 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: glasses of white and like these lyric came to me. 461 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: I was like, I can't remember what it was. I 462 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: could probably pull it up on my phone and I 463 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: write down three or four more lines that have to 464 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 3: do with that. And so that it's kind of just 465 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: like capturing like a feeling or a vibe about the 466 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 3: way I'm feeling, and how do I put into words 467 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 3: about a moment or something I'm feeling. And then usually 468 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: a melody will come after that, and then I'll try 469 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: and fit chords around that. So I kind of wait 470 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: for it to come and then sometimes man, I can 471 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: like I'll pull this up. I know the people listening 472 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: won't be able to see it, but like these are 473 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 3: all just like bits, bits and pieces of songs like 474 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: just this like tiny like yeah, like I guess like 475 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: how I'm trying to find one like there go this 476 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: is this is sort of how it sort of comes out. 477 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: This one says there's a river in a city. They're 478 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: all like broken verses and it doesn't make any sense, 479 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 3: but I start with the lyrics because that words have made. 480 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: My heroes are Tom Waits and Nick Cave and Leonard Cohen. 481 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: And I read that you were a big Tom Waits 482 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: fan when when I was in college, down by Law 483 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: of the Jim jur Mooch film, That's What's favorite film 484 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: was my favorite film in college. We watched that role 485 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: That's religiously I loves. 486 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: To have a poster on the wall, and I lost all. 487 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: Of Jim Joy Mussa's stuff, that whole kind of static 488 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: that black and white and Tom Waits was his music 489 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: was always in those films. 490 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this happens with Jockie Philip Bourbon and there's. 491 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: That great scene where they're in the prison cell and 492 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: he's like ice Ice scream and they also scream, and they're. 493 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: Like because his character is that guy is Roberta. Bernini's 494 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: one of my favorite actors of all time as well. 495 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: That's my favorite film because John Lewie was in the 496 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: Lounge Deards absolutely and Waits is one of my heros. 497 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: And Benini is a master. He's the best physical actor 498 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: I've ever seen in my life. But I remember, like 499 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: I had the poster in my first apartment in New York. 500 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: I had this big poster of that scene when they're 501 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: all leaning on the bars. Because one of the funniest things, 502 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: I made this neon sign that said because he says 503 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: I am no criminal, and he says I have a 504 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: good egg, and so like I always love I have 505 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: a good egg, So I made this sign that said 506 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: I have a good egg. Anyway, Waits was like he's 507 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: still still like I have a proverbial go bag in 508 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: my bank account. Like if we were sitting right now 509 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: and someone said Tom Waits is playing in Switzerland tomorrow, 510 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: I go see you, claude, have a nice rest of 511 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: your day, and would just leave. I'd give my left 512 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: arm to see that guy play again. 513 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: You had an apartment in New York that had a 514 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: bed and just a piano, and that was it. You 515 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: told me the story yesterday, But you've got to tell 516 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: the story. 517 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: It's amazing. Well it was I was. 518 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: I moved to New York and my upstairs neighbor is 519 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: an amazing producer call Lauren Humphrey, and he said I 520 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 3: said to him. I was like, hey, dude, I had 521 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: this big sort of twelve hundred square foot loft that 522 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: I got off another musician friend of ours, and I said, hey, man, 523 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: do you have a doing one with an upright And 524 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: he goes, no, no, no. But I know poor Kostavi 525 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: is selling a grand He's a guy from a bank 526 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: called Colts. 527 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: So I went up there. 528 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 3: I wrote in the back the trunk of someone's like 529 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: Honda Odyssey, and went up there and checked out this 530 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 3: piano and it's probably. You know, I can't remember what 531 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: it was worth, but you know, he said to me, 532 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 3: and he was, so he's the best. 533 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: I love Paul. 534 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 3: And he was like, I probably need four grand for it, 535 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: and I think I said. I was like, well, I've 536 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: got three thousand in my bank account. This is everything 537 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: I had, and I just I just paid rent, so 538 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: I had and it was cheap back then, and I said, 539 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: I'll give you two. So I gave him two thousand 540 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 3: dollars for this piano. And then luckily I had a 541 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: freight elevator. I was on tour when they put it 542 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: up there. So I got home and all I had 543 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: in my bedroom I'm not even drinking. I had a bed, 544 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 3: it's tempopedic mattress and a shag rug and this piano 545 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: and that was it. There was nothing in there. It 546 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: looked like and people would come over and it was like, 547 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 3: is this an art installation? Like this is literally what 548 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: it looked like. So but I was happy then, you know, like, 549 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 3: and I had an ashtray full of cigarette butts. I 550 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: used to smoke like a chimney and I would just 551 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 3: sit there. I was really good at piano for that 552 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 3: year because all I would do was sit around and 553 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 3: play piano. So like that was like my best bowhome impression. 554 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 3: You know, you live now in Los Angeles. What's the 555 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: difference you think in the vibe between New York and LA. 556 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 3: My daughter's just moved to New York. She's twenty one, 557 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 3: she's just out of college. She's living in Murray Hill. 558 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 3: And I am all I ever wanted to do. When 559 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: I was twenty one years old was living in New 560 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 3: York City. So I am living vicariously through being young. 561 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: Living in Manhattan. 562 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: You got to do it young, you have to. 563 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: Manhattan has a very specific feel and buzz to it. 564 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: I've never lived in New York City, but I lived 565 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: in LA and LA has a completely different vibe as well. Yeah, 566 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: And I think people in LA look at New York 567 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: like it's another planet, and people in New York look 568 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: at LA like it's another planet. Yeah, but what do 569 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: you feel is kind of idiosyncratic about living in New 570 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: York and then living in LA. 571 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 3: I think it's it's tough. I've seen people come and go. 572 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: I've come and gone a couple of times in New York, 573 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: but New York's my favorite place in the whole world. 574 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 3: I think it's because you've got like, you know, the population, 575 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: you know, three quarters of the population of Australia living 576 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: on an island that's eleven miles long. 577 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: And then when you count all. 578 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 3: The burrows, I think it's what is it, twenty something 579 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: a million people and you've got everyone all these walks 580 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: of life living on top of each other. 581 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: You feel it. 582 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: You can in New York. You can feel in the 583 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 2: city and you can feel the pace. 584 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: And I think, like we always just say the rules 585 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: are like ten years sandy or nine to eleven, and 586 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: you're kind of in New Yorker like, and I sort 587 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 3: of consider myself part of that DNA. But I feel 588 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: like it's like everyone's very everyone in LA. And I 589 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: don't like shitting on LA, but I do sometimes because 590 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 3: I feel like everyone's nice, but they're not necessarily kind, 591 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: whereas no one in New York is nice, but they're 592 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 3: very kind. Like you can always sell when someone's from 593 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: LA and they moved to New York or not from 594 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: New York and they move, they're out in the morning. 595 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: I think christ To Stephano, amazing comedian, talks about this, 596 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 3: where people go like you're in the coffee shop, and 597 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 3: I used to go in if I have to wait 598 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 3: more than five seconds. There is Oslo, this coffee shop 599 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 3: across the road from my apartment on West tenth Street. 600 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: I'd walk in there and they would start making it 601 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: for me while I was in the line, and I'd 602 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: grab out and go thanks guys, and I would walk 603 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: out of there. And then Christi Stefano makes a joke 604 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 3: that everyone's like, if you got someone who's like, hy, 605 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: good morning, You're like, don't talk. We're not talking here, 606 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 3: give you the coffee. Go back it, Like I just 607 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: I came out here to get cofee. I'm not having 608 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 3: a great conversation. Whereas you know, New Yorkers can be 609 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: very harsh. 610 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: Rule them too. 611 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: Don't even get in the way of New Yorker while 612 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: they're walking. You have people go like, hey, can I 613 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: talk to you for a second, like get the out 614 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: of my way. But New Yorkers are very kind in 615 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: the way that like if you're running towards an elevator, 616 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: they'll hold the door open because they know we're all 617 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 3: in the same boat together or the subway, you know, 618 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 3: and we're all in the same boat and we all need. 619 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: To help each other. Out. 620 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 3: I feel like everyone really cares deep down, everyone really 621 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 3: cares for everybody in New York. 622 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: And I think that's what I like the most about it. 623 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 2: I'm there. 624 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: Obviously, if you're a golfer, you want to win a major, 625 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people the Masters would 626 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: be the holy grail of that. As a band is 627 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: headlining Glastonbury the top of the mountain, Yes, but without 628 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: a doubt, without a doubt. 629 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: I wrote an article a couple of years ago for 630 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: publication for Monster Children. It was called, Wasn't the greatest 631 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 3: festival in the mouth, It wasn't the greatest show on Earth. 632 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: It's the greatest place on earth. It's my favorite place. 633 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: I've never felt anything like I have when I've played 634 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: Glastonbury being at Glastonbury. I go every year, whether I'm 635 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 3: playing or not. It's just there's like myths about it 636 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: because the festival is never moved. It sits in between 637 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 3: these two lay lines, these religious lay lines, and it's 638 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: just something about it's still non for profit, like the 639 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 3: Eves family have been running that for fifty years now, 640 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: fifty one years now. And yeah, Glastonbury is for me anyway. 641 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I could take or leave a Grammy. But 642 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: playing Glastonbury is Headlining Glastonbury is probably the greatest, one 643 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: of the greatest things I've ever done in my life, 644 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: if not the greatest. 645 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: You know, I told you yesterday I watched the YouTube 646 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: of when you all played Glastonbury Let it Happen the 647 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: first I mean, it is so. 648 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: Good, Like it's so good, it's fun. 649 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: It's fun. I mean like that's like the feeling you get. 650 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: And I remember Kevin, one of my best friends, the 651 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 3: mother of my godson, Gillian. 652 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: She's she's been going since she was thirteen. 653 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: She's from England, and she said Kevin was there and 654 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: she and we were like, we're going to headline Glassy 655 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: and Kevin, I think he did something like I don't 656 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 3: even really know what to say. And Gillian, who was 657 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: backstage with us is one of my best friends, turned 658 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: to Kevin and says, just say Glastonbury at the top 659 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: of your lungs, and sure enough he gets out there. 660 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 3: It was like midway through I would have been let 661 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: it happen or whatever we'd opened with them. 662 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: We've played a bunch of times. I can't remeber which 663 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: time it was that Kevin just goes glasson bray and 664 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: the crowd just goes and then it works. 665 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: So when I watched, he's like, wow, look at this. 666 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was like, oh yeah, it's I mean, 667 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: it's like it's a magical feeling. Like I was just 668 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: talking about it with Christian Crosby. They're one of the 669 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: hosts for Live and just that feeling you get when 670 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: you're when you're on the grounds that you get we get, 671 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: really I get excited a week out from Glastonbury and 672 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 3: the crowd when they paying respect to one of your 673 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: favorite songs. You'll see like five or six at night, 674 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 3: five or six flares will go up in the crowd, 675 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 3: and it's just this kind of everyone's there. No one's 676 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 3: there for Instagram, no one's there for you know, there's 677 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: none of that. Everyone you bring your wellies and you 678 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: bring your barber coat and you you know, just and 679 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: you're out there with your friends and it's still I 680 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: don't know, it's I could go on for hours. If 681 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: you've got to stop me talking about Glastonbury, I'll just 682 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 3: keep going. 683 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: For those of us that are not rock stars, like 684 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: and not in a band, what is it like when 685 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: you play a song and the crowd. Really that's to me, 686 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: that to me would probably have to be the it could. 687 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: It's got to be the coolest feeling. 688 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like when you play in Latin America, 689 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 3: it's like they sing the lyrics back to you as 690 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: loud as you're playing it, like when you're in Buenos 691 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: Aires or Brazil or Mexico, like Mexico City. We played 692 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 3: a massive show in Mexico a couple of years ago, 693 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: and it's yeah, I mean it's like it's you don't 694 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 3: really sort of think about it until it happens, but yeah, 695 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: it's stuff that you it's memories that you take. 696 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: You make eye contact with people in your crowd while 697 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: you're playing. Are you watching? 698 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. 699 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially like I'm like where I sit. I sort 700 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: of sit in the background next to Julian and I 701 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: have a I have a really great vantage point actually, 702 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: so I can I can kind of see the people 703 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 3: in the front row and I don't know, it sounds 704 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: a bit cheesy, but you know, you make eye contact 705 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 3: with someone and like you can kind of thumbs them 706 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 3: up or you know, if you have that just must 707 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: make them So yeah, the joy is like that's I 708 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 3: think that's why you do it. It's like it's cheesy 709 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: as it sounds. It's like it's you perform because you 710 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: it's it's got it ends up having at that level 711 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: when they're singing back to you, It's got nothing to 712 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: do with you. It's got to do with making them happy, 713 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: you know. Performing Making their day is kind of that's 714 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: what you kind of feed off. And it sounds for 715 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: me anyway, like it's like it sounds so stupid, but 716 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 3: it's like it becomes very I feel like it becomes 717 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 3: very selfless. 718 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: At that point. 719 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: You're kind of like, what do I do to make 720 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: sure that you guys are having the best time. It's 721 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: not like clap for me, but it's like I want 722 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: you to have a great time. I mean the byproduct is, yeah, 723 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: you have one hundred thousand people singing along to one 724 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: of your songs, But you know, it's more like I 725 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: feel like in those moments, I get so excited to 726 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: make them feel great. 727 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: You know. Last music question, because I could literally do 728 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: a four hour podcast about team and polin music. What's 729 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: your favorite song to play live? 730 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 2: Oh? 731 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: Let it happened? Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely that. How did 732 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: that song come about that or Elephant. I mean, they're 733 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: both fun to play, but I remember Kevin working on it. 734 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 3: I had moved to the States, I think I think 735 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: I'd moved to the States. Yeah, And we hadn't put 736 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: out Currents yet. Pretty soon after I joined the band 737 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: in probably in twenty thirteen or something like that. And 738 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: I remember were driving to this music store to go 739 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: pick up something for the studio, and he goes, what 740 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 3: do you think of this? And he showed me like, 741 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: let it the like the bones or like probably it 742 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: was probably half cooked version of and I just and 743 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 3: if you think about that song, it's so obvious. 744 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: When you hear it. 745 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: Now, when you hear that song about all the different 746 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: stages and chapters. So you were listening in the car, Yeah, yeah, 747 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: it's the best. It's you always do the car test. 748 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: But once the movie, once they make the record, you know, 749 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: they go into the studio and everything, and they he's like, 750 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: all right, we got to do the car test always, 751 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: and then you go in. 752 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: You have to have to do the car test. There's 753 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 3: there's rules to the two things. On a team to 754 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: set the last thing and saying about music. I remember 755 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: him showing it to me, and I was like and 756 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: it was just so unique and so and it was 757 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: really when I went like whoa, and he'd already done. 758 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: If you think about it, Elephant feels like we only 759 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 3: go backwards and da da da da da. But the 760 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: first time I ever heard that, I was like, Wow, 761 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: this is like so different. And I was like in 762 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: the back of my mind. And I've said this to 763 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: his face a couple of times, probably upset him as well, 764 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 3: like a couple I was like, is this gonna work? 765 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: But that's that's what takes. That's what great artists are. 766 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: They're brave and they go on fearlessly into the thing 767 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: that makes them feel great. They make it for themselves. 768 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: I've never had that much as much artistry as someone 769 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 3: like a Kevin Parker, but it's like it takes extreme, 770 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: extreme bravery to do that. Think about like the success 771 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 3: of a song like Elephant and the difference between that 772 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: and let It Happen. They're two completely different speeds songs. 773 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: If you think about it, one is like cocaine Sabbath 774 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 3: and the other one is like this sort of odyssey 775 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: that ends up sounding like a dance song, you know, 776 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 3: And so you've got to that's that's the genius. That's 777 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: why he's amazing, because he's sort of like he would 778 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: never admit it. I've said that to him, like you're 779 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: incredibly patient and incredibly brave at what he does. So 780 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 3: I remember hearing that and just going like, wow, I 781 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 3: don't know if it's going to work, but I trust you, 782 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: so yeah, I think it's great. 783 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: And then back to the core test. What is the 784 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: core test for a musician? 785 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: You get to experience what everyone else gets. You can 786 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: drive them down wherever you are, it's at the highway 787 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: or the avenue or whatever, and you're blasting it. 788 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: You're like, does this feel good? This feels good? 789 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: Right, put the windows down, let's go just see how 790 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 3: this sounds, see how it feels in the car. 791 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: I think it's that. 792 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: And I always say when people are naming bands, before 793 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: you decide on it, you've got to ask yourself two things, 794 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: and you go, ah, hello, we are x whatever whatever 795 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: it is, and are you going to see whatever? And 796 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: if it passed those two things, and you can call 797 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: your van manet. 798 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: That's what I think. 799 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: Back to golf, you're in the golf space now, and 800 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: talk to me about what you're trying to do and 801 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: what you want to try and do in golf. 802 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I just think golf has created such a 803 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: like I said, a stabilizing thing in my life unintentionally, 804 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 3: Like I didn't. I didn't think I'd end up back 805 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: in the golf space. If you told me six years 806 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 3: ago that I'd be back playing golf, if you told 807 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 3: me that I'd be sitting and doing a podcast with 808 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 3: Claude Harmon, you know, six years ago, I would have 809 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: said bullshit. 810 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: You know. 811 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: So you know, I think golf what i've the fade, 812 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 3: the company that I've just sort of founded over the 813 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 3: last year. I want people to be able to look 814 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: in on golf and see it asuse of create these 815 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 3: little like quote unquote on ramps by creating two golf 816 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: and the right kind of on ramp I think, and 817 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: the right sort of vend diagram. I think about lifestyle, 818 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: I think about culture, and I think about performance in 819 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: your life. 820 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of there's a lot of. 821 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I love the Bobdos sports guys, 822 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: and I love the barstool guys. I think they're incredible, 823 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: Like that's one style of golf and the way they 824 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 3: talk about golf, a lot of punditry, a lot of instruction, 825 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 3: a lot of gear reviews and things like that. And 826 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: then on the other end of there's a lot of 827 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: biohacking when you have two men's other men's interests. Whereas 828 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 3: I just think, if I can help everyone get not 829 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 3: in a preachy way, but it's twenty percent better at 830 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 3: everything that they do. Like if I talk to you 831 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: about you know, we were talking about cycling, ass say, 832 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 3: one of my best friends is an amazing cyclist. If 833 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 3: I can ask a cyclist what they get out of 834 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 3: golf and why they love golf and the allegories, because 835 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 3: I think there's so many allegories between life and golf 836 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 3: that nobody thinks about. That's when I started writing about. 837 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 3: Like if I think about just the last three or 838 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: four articles that I wrote about golf, which turned into 839 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: podcasts where like, you know, a game of millimeters, think 840 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: about there's a hole in the ground five hundred and 841 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: fifty yards away and you've only got five shots to 842 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,479 Speaker 3: get it in there. Like that sounds ridiculous, but you know, 843 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 3: and like a one millimeter part a tap in because 844 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 3: you've lipped something out, is the same number of points 845 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: as the three hundred and twenty yard drive that you 846 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 3: just busted down the fairway. I was just saying to Christian, like, 847 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 3: you can tell me, I think the other thing. I'm 848 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 3: rambling a little bit, but I'll land the plane in 849 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 3: a second. Think about this like golf a round of golf. 850 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: For me, it's this journey that's for you. The only 851 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 3: thing that anybody else cares about is the number you 852 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 3: go on this saga. You were behind the tree, you 853 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: were in the trap, you were in the fairway, doing 854 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: all this stuff, and you I can tell you all these, 855 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: like you know, fishing stories about golf. At the end 856 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 3: of the day, you're going to look at me like 857 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 3: a would you shoot? So there's a finite thing to 858 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: golf like I love storytelling, don't get me wrong, but 859 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 3: I think I love the finite number of golf of 860 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: self betterment. And it's like the only game in the 861 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 3: world where we actively make it harder for ourselves as 862 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 3: we get better. I'm going to go further back if 863 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 3: you and me go play golf tomorrow and someone turns 864 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: to us and goes the greens are so firm, so fast, 865 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: because is playing so tough and they grew the rough up. 866 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 2: You and me get excited by that. 867 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 3: We get excited by how hard it's going to be 868 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 3: and the challenge, and it's it's the only game of 869 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 3: the where where we like, we welcome the adversity. So 870 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 3: I think there's so much allegory to life, and so 871 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: every now and again, like that's why I started Words 872 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: for the Weekend was the first thing I did. These 873 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 3: weekly articles I was writing on the Fade just became Yeah, 874 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 3: I just started seeing all these big crossovers between golf 875 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 3: and life, and I think I'd love to share that 876 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 3: with a demographic of people that love golf, and it 877 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: just gets typecast this thing it's for old, fat, white guys, 878 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 3: And I think it's the game is changing and evolving. 879 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 3: Look where we are, like we're sitting at a live 880 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 3: golf event. You know, it's one of the most disruptive 881 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,959 Speaker 3: things that's ever happened to golf. But you know where 882 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 3: it comes out is we will never know. Nobody knows 883 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 3: at this point, but I don't know. That's That's what 884 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: I'm trying to do with the Fade, trying to create 885 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 3: some culture around the game and the right type of 886 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 3: culture and I. 887 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: Think right now we're at a really interesting time kind 888 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: of retro golf fashion, the stuff that Steve Marlbarne's doing. 889 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: Our friend John, he's big, he's doing retro kind of 890 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: stuff for foot Joy. And I think there are these. 891 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: Yes by John Mimi all Week. 892 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: There are these people that are kind of they love golf, 893 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: but they're kind of in like a cool hip world. 894 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean the fact that everybody's freaking out about Jason 895 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: Day what he's dressed like, I'm like, that's the way 896 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: my dad dressed when he played the PGA Tour, right, 897 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: that's all the clothes that he wore. 898 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: Favorite golf courses, My favorite golf courses, Fish's Island, this 899 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: is probably at the top of my list. Friend of mine, 900 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 3: Mateo Birrs, remember out there and he I met him 901 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 3: at the Bill Murray Caddyshack Tournament about five years ago 902 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 3: when I got back. 903 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: Into Grandfather might have the course record at Fisher's Island. 904 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 2: Oh really, I think he's got one of these. 905 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: I mean Seminal obviously he's got the course record. 906 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 2: They're sixty. 907 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: He's got sixty one on both courses at Wingfoot, But 908 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: I think Fisher's Island he might have sixty or sixty 909 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: one at that. I don't know why that rings a 910 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: bell in my head. 911 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 3: Wingfoot's on my list. I've never played wing Foot. I'd 912 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 3: say it's fishes. Love National Golf Links of America. That's 913 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 3: just a dream and like just and the challenge, that's 914 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 3: what I need. I feel like who designed that course? 915 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: I'm I don't know someone's gonna like tweet at me 916 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: saying how stupid, how stupid I am for not known, 917 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 3: but I love National Golf Links. 918 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: Have you done any of the Core Crunchhaw, Friar's Head, 919 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: sand Hills, any of that stuff? 920 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 2: No? 921 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 3: No, I mean, like, like I said, I only got 922 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 3: back into golf about five years ago, and I've only 923 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 3: just started playing that tier of sort of golf courses 924 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 3: in the last like two or three. 925 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: You played the Midam last year, Yeah, Yeah, I played it. 926 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 3: I played at elmcrest and the qualifier and missed by 927 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 3: a shot bergie the last three hundred and twenty yard 928 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 3: part four I should have hit a part four iron 929 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 3: down there or maybe it's three fifty and then got 930 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 3: it on the green and I missed by a shot. 931 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 3: I think qualifying you figured just smoke driver and yeah, 932 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 3: and pulled it onto the range and made burgie and yeah. 933 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 2: No. 934 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 3: So I've started playing competitively again. I mean golf for me, 935 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 3: that's what I mean. It keeps me really self accountable, 936 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 3: keeps my mind in the right place. If I want 937 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 3: to play great golf, I have to really really I 938 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 3: like I said, it's like planning. I have to plan things. 939 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: I have to check my ego at the door. I 940 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 3: play so much a ballet country club. The part five 941 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 3: there is at fourteen just absolutely torments me because it's 942 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 3: it's a fading hole. I hit a draw, you know, 943 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 3: I fly my driver what three ten maybe three fifteen, 944 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 3: So I can't really like, I can't hit driver up 945 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 3: the right hand side because everything is going to run 946 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 3: down into the water. If I hit a draw, it's 947 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 3: going to run into that water. So I'd have to 948 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 3: hit a cut, which I'd struggle with. If I hit 949 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 3: it straight, it's going to go in the water. Then 950 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 3: even if I do hit a good drive, I've still 951 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 3: got to hit like a I've still got a two 952 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 3: hundred and forty yard shot in and there's like about 953 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 3: six feet in front of that green. But my ego 954 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 3: wants to get let me get on the green. It's 955 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 3: all running downhill, down green. What I really should do 956 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 3: is it a three iron, a three iron, A love 957 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 3: words and trying to make birdie. 958 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 2: Or five at worse and then get the buck out 959 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,959 Speaker 2: of there. But I can't. 960 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 3: So like, golf keeps me very humble, and I think 961 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 3: it'll continue to do that for like forever. So like 962 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 3: and the whole comeback thing that we're doing now. 963 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 2: So talk about the combat. 964 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: Okay, what I'm doing at here is I think with 965 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 3: the help of people like yourself and some of the 966 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 3: best players in the world, I can get to a 967 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 3: level where I can compete it at least US amateur level, 968 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 3: because when I know when I'm playing well, I know 969 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 3: I can feel it again. I can feel that it 970 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 3: was like playing in that USGA event last year. Was 971 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 3: it was like holding onto an electric fence and I 972 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 3: loved it, you know. So I love that feeling of 973 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 3: competing again. So basically this year I'll be out with 974 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 3: I'm aiming to be out at every live event with 975 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 3: a live team and they you know, like this week 976 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 3: I played I had a putting lesson with Herbert on 977 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 3: Tuesday with Lucas Herbert from Ripeater Smith Cam Smith Team 978 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 3: rep A GC and then I got to play with 979 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 3: Bryson de Shamba the next day, which you think about that, 980 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 3: I've never seen anyone with such a low spin rate 981 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 3: control a ball that's traveling three hundred and twenty yards 982 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 3: in the year. 983 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 2: I was like, it looks like it's fake. 984 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 3: Just the first thing I said to him, And you know, 985 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 3: he loves talking numbers, and I was like, what is 986 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 3: that spin rate on that driver? 987 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know, like two thousand, and I 988 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 2: was like, that's nuts. 989 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: DJ's around the same. DJ when he plays his best, 990 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of under twenty two hundred. He's like eighteen 991 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: hundred to twenty two hundred's the sweet. 992 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 2: Such as knuckling, Well, just what they do, right, It's just. 993 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: The way that you know their kind of movement. You know, 994 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: DJ's got you know, really flat little the boat lefters, 995 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: but then he threw impact. He's got what the move 996 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: they call the cobra where he's got a lot of 997 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,959 Speaker 1: forward chafflin and then after that, but yeah, and where 998 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: Brooks is kind of in that twenty five to twenty 999 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: six range. So everybody's ballflight's different. It's been fascinating to 1000 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: watch Bryson kind of change his public persona. You know, 1001 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: he's become a fan favorite. And when he came out 1002 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: on tour, he was really divisive and he was kind 1003 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: of the odd ball, like nobody could really relate to him. 1004 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: He had these weird clubs, he had all this stuff. 1005 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: What do you like about it? 1006 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 3: What do I like about Bryson? His attention to detail, 1007 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 3: his anything. Man, I've spent my life around you know. 1008 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 3: The mixing engineer who helped Kevin mix the first two 1009 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 3: albums said, the changes that you were making, Dave Fridman 1010 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 3: said this. He said, Kevin, the changes you are making 1011 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 3: is like changing taking a piece of lint off the 1012 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 3: back of the sun. 1013 00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 2: That's what he said. 1014 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 3: And I think Bryson does that, and I think it's 1015 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 3: because his attention to detail has got to do with him. 1016 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 3: He needs to make those checks and balances in order 1017 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 3: for him to be mentally in the right place to 1018 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 3: play the game. And that's your thing, man, that's swing. 1019 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 3: I wrote a thing called swing your swing. You've got 1020 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 3: to be able to do what you need to do 1021 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 3: to win, like whatever your tick is, and like him 1022 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,479 Speaker 3: being that obsessive, compulsive about you know, soaking his golf 1023 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 3: balls and have some salts, and his attention to detail 1024 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 3: is is phenomenal. I wish I could have that much intention. 1025 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 3: I'm more of like a feel kind of guy. I'm 1026 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 3: a bit robotic with my golf swing. Herbie was trying 1027 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 3: to get me to use even more feel with my putting. 1028 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 3: He's like, you're very artistic and everything else you do 1029 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 3: in your life except. 1030 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: For you're trying to paint by numbers when you put Yeah. 1031 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 2: Well that's what I mean. 1032 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 3: He was trying to get me to He's like, embrace 1033 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 3: that sort of artistic side where. 1034 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 2: He's stopped trying to be so rigid. 1035 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 3: You know, that's the reason why you're probably missing putts, 1036 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 3: because you're thinking about what's going on at your feet 1037 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 3: instead of what's going on up at the holt. He 1038 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 3: was trying to get me to work on capture speed. 1039 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 3: It's like, do you want it to hit the back 1040 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 3: of the cup or do you want it to fall 1041 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 3: in the front, things like that, because it changes your entire. 1042 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 1: Part capture speed. I've never heard anyone say that about 1043 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,439 Speaker 1: that concept of speed control. We call it speed control. Yeah, 1044 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: distance control but capture speed is a really really interesting 1045 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: kind of way to talk about putting. Yeah, because the 1046 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: hall is capturing the ball. 1047 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd never heard it before, and I was like, hmm, 1048 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 3: capture speed. So I was working with Herbie. I was 1049 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 3: working with him on capture speed earlier this week. But 1050 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 3: I mean, bryceon you can just see that. I mean, 1051 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 3: he's he's so athletic. The exploit where I was talking 1052 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 3: to him about the other sports he said, I played 1053 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 3: volleyball when I was young. I was like, that's going 1054 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 3: to help you with your fast witch stuff I was 1055 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 3: talking with about. Nearly every sport he did was like 1056 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 3: an explosion. 1057 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 2: He was a long jumper, That's right. 1058 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 3: He was a long two explosion, which makes you and 1059 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 3: that's what I have, Like I'm not a very good 1060 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,919 Speaker 3: long distance runner. I have a lot of fast switch 1061 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 3: Like I boxed really good baseball player, and then golf 1062 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 3: came really naturally to me because I could just swing 1063 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 3: the golf club really fast and it was trying to 1064 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 3: slow everything down. 1065 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 2: So Bryson, the most impressive thing is his like utter 1066 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 2: attention to detail. 1067 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: And I always say, the best people at any job, 1068 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 3: whether it's music or golf or motor sport or anything 1069 00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 3: like that. 1070 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 2: Is your attention to intention how focused. 1071 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 3: You are and how intentionally you are being, the better 1072 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 3: you're going to be at anything that you do. 1073 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: Lastly, where can people find all the stuff you do? Obviously, 1074 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 1: Team and Paula, how many records? How many albums? 1075 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 3: I should know this? We've had four. I think the 1076 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 3: fifth one is the fifth one. Katy is probably working 1077 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 3: on a fifth one right now, would imagine. 1078 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: And you do your own music as well, Spotify people 1079 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: to find you that. 1080 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been I'm working passively on an album right now. 1081 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 3: I just had a meeting with my publisher the other day, 1082 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 3: so I'll be putting out solo stuff over the next year. 1083 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 3: I'm actually going to try and put something out in 1084 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 3: the next month. 1085 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: The Fade people can find that. 1086 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 2: So the Fade we're sort of going out. You can see. 1087 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 3: The Fade is on Instagram. I have a sub stack. 1088 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 3: The Fade dot com will probably up in the next 1089 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 3: couple of months. It might be lived and how when 1090 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 3: this is going to come out? But the Fade is 1091 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 3: on Instagram. And The Comeback is the show that I've 1092 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 3: been developing with Convicts, the production company from Australia, my 1093 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 3: friend Pete made and Tom Law So I'm partnering. 1094 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing here this week. 1095 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,439 Speaker 3: I'm partnering with Convicts Australia to work and The Fade 1096 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 3: are getting together developed the show The Comeback. 1097 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: So because we're living in a great time for content, right, 1098 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: there's so many different avenues for people to get whatever 1099 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: content they want out. You can get it on YouTube 1100 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: and get it on Instagram, I mean all the different channels. 1101 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: I think there is a lot of content for people 1102 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,959 Speaker 1: that want to see maybe something different in the golf space. 1103 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 2: Well, you're able to live. Especially. 1104 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 3: The best thing about the way that's going where content 1105 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 3: and where consumption media consumption is going is you can 1106 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 3: live in a niche within a niche, and I think 1107 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 3: that's the best thing about it. Like, I'm a bass 1108 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 3: player who also likes playing golf, So that's the first 1109 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 3: question I get asked when someone comes out here, they go, 1110 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 3: like the guy from Taman Pilot as a scratch hand, 1111 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 3: he gap, that's a bit weird, but you know that's 1112 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 3: but And my voice, my voice in golf and in 1113 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 3: the Fade, the Fades voice is very different to. 1114 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 2: Your voice. 1115 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 3: Anyone else's voice because you're talking a lot about more 1116 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 3: instruction or like I'm going to go have a talk 1117 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 3: to Jonah now and Joan is going to talk to 1118 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 3: me about sports psychology. Mine comes from this sort of 1119 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 3: cultural artistic side and how I think that can impact 1120 00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,399 Speaker 3: your golf and impact your. 1121 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: Life frustrated art, fashion, music. So to get the opportunity 1122 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: to speak with somebody like you is amazing. And when 1123 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: I started the podcast, this was my idea. Yeah, I 1124 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: want to talk to the best players in the world, 1125 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: the best coaches in the world, the best caddies and 1126 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: people in the golf space. But I'm fascinated how important 1127 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: and how much a part of people's lives golf is 1128 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: because I have to take time away from golf right 1129 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: because it's so all encompassing for me. 1130 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like mad with music. 1131 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: John George, keyboard player for Rufus Dasol. I've been spending 1132 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: some time with him. They're about to go on a 1133 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: two year tour. Yeah, I've hooked him up with a 1134 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: rap Sodo Launch monitor. He's got a net. He was 1135 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: trying to get a simulator and he was like, the 1136 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: roadies are like, dude, we're gonna have to tear this 1137 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: thing down. Where's it gonna say? So? I got him 1138 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: the rap Sodo, he's got the Bryson return net, he 1139 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: got a matt and he's got a little iPad. And 1140 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: I said, you can play golf courses. So he on 1141 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: tour is going. 1142 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 2: To be taken. Man, I'm what's John, i'mna be hitting 1143 00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,720 Speaker 2: you up, buddy. 1144 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 3: Let's play. Let's play. That's the best thing is the 1145 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 3: last thing I'll finished. Like one of my best friends, 1146 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 3: I've become really good friends with a guy called Dom 1147 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 3: Cursier and he, you know, found Googenheim Bank. And we 1148 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 3: were talking to each other the other day and Dom's 1149 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 3: I think he's probably in his late fifties. And Dom's like, 1150 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 3: in what world there's a guy who grew up you know, 1151 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 3: lower middle class, you know, lower glower class, if I'm 1152 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,439 Speaker 3: being honest, in Australia from Perth, from Freemantle, Australia, and 1153 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 3: someone like yourself who's very self major Cargan, who built 1154 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 3: his way up into in what world do we see 1155 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 3: eye to I? And we want to spend hours and 1156 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 3: hours and hours and hours and hours of time together. 1157 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 3: And I love picking his brain about work, you know, 1158 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 3: but it all comes from this relationship we built around 1159 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 3: playing golf. Let's go play golf and talk about whatever 1160 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 3: we're going to talk about. And I think that's that's 1161 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 3: the best thing. You would mean, the same thing it brings. 1162 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 3: It makes the world a lot smaller when you play golf. 1163 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: I'll say that my wife's brother lives in Perth and 1164 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: he's an avid golfer. So listen, man, really great to 1165 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: talk to you. I'm excited to see all the cool 1166 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 1: stuff you're doing and team and Pola is in heavy, 1167 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: heavy rotation. Arena Alex one of the golfers I teach, 1168 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: she just retired from the LPGA. She saw the picture 1169 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: of you and I together, She's like, you're kidding me, right. 1170 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: They're one of my favorite bands. So I've got a 1171 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: lot of street credit for having you. And my daughter 1172 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: is insanely jealous because she's like, you're gonna meet the 1173 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:16,839 Speaker 1: guy from Taman Paula. 1174 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, great talking to you. I thank thank you so much. Man. 1175 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: So that was Cameron Avery from tam and Paula And listen, 1176 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: I could have talked to that guy all day. I mean, 1177 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, we share a passion for not only golf, 1178 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: but music, art, fashion and stuff, and those are the 1179 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,799 Speaker 1: people that I absolutely love talking to because golf is 1180 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: such an important part of everyone's life. And you know, 1181 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: there are people that do other things and are famous 1182 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: for other things. But to listen to to Cameron, I mean, 1183 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: he only wanted to talk about golf and all I 1184 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,919 Speaker 1: want to do is talk about music. So really really 1185 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: cool and uh, I think he's doing some cool stuff. 1186 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: Check out the projects that he's got, check out the 1187 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: music that he does, and I don't think you'll be disappointed. 1188 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,959 Speaker 1: So it was down at the Live event last week 1189 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 1: in Adelaide, over one hundred thousand people and listen, it 1190 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: was a great event. Dom Dalla one of the best 1191 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: DJs on the planet right now. He played Friday night 1192 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: and it was crazy. I got to give him a 1193 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: golf lesson, which was pretty damn cool for me. I 1194 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you. Fisher closed the show. The 1195 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: golf course is great. A lot of unbelievable bunkering down 1196 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: in Australia and listen to the fans came out and 1197 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: it's the third year we've been down there. For the 1198 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: people that are on the Live tour and it just 1199 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: gets better and better. They announced the deal that they're 1200 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 1: signing to twenty thirty one, and I think it just 1201 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: shows that Australia is starving to see the best players 1202 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: in the world, and hopefully the best players in the 1203 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: world can get down there more often because it is 1204 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: a very very cool place to go. I got to 1205 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,280 Speaker 1: do a dinner over at Royal Adelaide across the street 1206 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: there's a train that goes through the middle of the 1207 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: golf course and again it looks cool. The golf courses 1208 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: down there are some of my favorites, and the bunkering 1209 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: I think in Australia in the sand Belt golf courses 1210 00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: are some of the best anywhere in the world. So 1211 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: really really cool week. And I can't say enough about 1212 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: Ludwig Oberg winning at Torrey Pines and the Genesis Kids 1213 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: stud I'd be absolutely shocked if he doesn't win a 1214 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: major this year. I mean, that's how good the talent is. 1215 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: We've had Joe Scavern on the podcast before, longtime caddy 1216 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: for Ricky Fowler who's now caddying for Ludwig and see, 1217 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: I think he's got one of the best golf swings 1218 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: in the game. And I just think that the future 1219 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: is beyond bright for Ludwig and I think you're going 1220 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 1: to see him win majors. I think you're going to 1221 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,440 Speaker 1: continue to see him win big tournaments because with that 1222 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: kind of golf swing, the sky is the limit. Rate review, 1223 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. It's the Son of 1224 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: a Butch podcast