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Speaker 1: ware with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, September twenty ninth, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: season seventeen, episode number thirty. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios

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Speaker 1: at the Star. Lots of things we gotta get into today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have Bucky Brooks joining us here soon to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Carolina office versus the

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Speaker 1: Dallas defense. But before we get to that, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of topics that we need to talk about

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Speaker 1: specific to guys that have been out, whether whether it

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Speaker 1: be injury or COVID and gig some updates on where

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Speaker 1: they are. Let's start first with the fact that there

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Speaker 1: were no injuries in this game. That's always a bright

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Speaker 1: spot for any team in the NFL come out of

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Speaker 1: a game with no new injuries. But there were three

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Speaker 1: guys that we mentioned yesterday on our show. I think

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Speaker 1: we talked about him yesterday. But guys that have been

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Speaker 1: about the possibility that this would be the week when

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Speaker 1: they could be taken off of IR. This was the

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Speaker 1: earliest that they could be. Tell me what's the status.

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Speaker 1: I guess at this point with Neville Gallimore, Kelvin, Joseph,

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Speaker 1: wording yesterday. All of those guys are still probably multiple

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Speaker 1: weeks with an s away from being ready, so they're eligible,

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Speaker 1: but maybe anywhere between. I would say anywhere between two

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Speaker 1: and four, depending on who you're talking about. The bye

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Speaker 1: weeks sitting there. So all three they they got three

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Speaker 1: games to go. I mean, I don't know how they're

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Speaker 1: gonna if they're gonna handle it this way that you know,

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Speaker 1: they won't say this, they won't admit it, they'll say

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Speaker 1: it's a case by case. But I'm sure that they've

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Speaker 1: got three games to go, and then they got to

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Speaker 1: buy a week. It makes more sense to just bring

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Speaker 1: a lot of those guys back. So you don't want

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Speaker 1: to start there. I probably won't start their window or

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Speaker 1: their twenty one day window, and where they can start

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Speaker 1: practicing again, I would say until like maybe next week

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Speaker 1: or the week after. That's interesting because I actually thought,

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Speaker 1: at the worst case scenario they at least start the

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Speaker 1: twenty one this week, but it sounds like they're not

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Speaker 1: even ready to really practice at this point. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's and it's it's always a guest a man.

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Speaker 1: But if you remember when especially Neville, and I think

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Speaker 1: he's besides, well, Calvin's probably the one people care the

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Speaker 1: most about which Calvin suffered his injury the latest in camp.

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Speaker 1: I mean he did that during the final preseason game

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Speaker 1: groin injury. Donovan Wilson probably gonna miss another game with

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Speaker 1: his groin injury, So you think about I mean that

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Speaker 1: is it's a substantial injury, especially for a guy that

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Speaker 1: And then Neville, they said at the time, you're probably

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Speaker 1: talking about eight weeks. Now that was mid August what fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: probably that they played that game in Arizona, so it's

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Speaker 1: been about five or six So again you're talking two

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Speaker 1: or three more weeks before before that's probably realistic. Catching

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Speaker 1: up on a couple of guys that missed last week's game.

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Speaker 1: Dorance Armstrong, Carlos Watkins. You already mentioned Donovan Wilson. Yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: good question. I would think Carlos Watkins maybe more of

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Speaker 1: a more of a shot. Um. But just because we're

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Speaker 1: talking like, I think it's a sprain knee. Um. He's

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Speaker 1: working okay with with the trainers. The injury is a

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Speaker 1: high ankle spraining on Doran. I was gonna like, nothing

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Speaker 1: about Dorrance's injury makes me think that it's a one

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Speaker 1: week thing, right, But then you're saying like it's a multiple. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's got I'll say this. I remember when I when

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Speaker 1: was before this game. He didn't he didn't want to

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Speaker 1: was about to say that, like, if doran's his injury

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Speaker 1: So I just assume it's a much lesser injury if

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Speaker 1: keanum Neil. They're both still out, they're still on still

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Speaker 1: We'll just have to wait and see. Um Neil went

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Speaker 1: but he didn't test positive until later, right, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, so keep an eye on it. It's it's yep, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's only Wednesday. It's only Wednesday, so it feels it

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Speaker 1: wait Sunday to Sunday. They don't play on a non

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Speaker 1: who's mad about that. No one's about saying, like the schedule,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about this Carolina offense. I

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Speaker 1: want to start with Sam Darneld. He's having as far

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Speaker 1: than him at this point. And that's talking about Yarry

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Speaker 1: Alexander and Jalen Ramsey and all those other guys. You

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Speaker 1: the way that he has played. What do you think,

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Speaker 1: real quick, what do you think his greatest area is

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Speaker 1: right now for growth at this point. I just think

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Speaker 1: with more experience comes expertise. I think the main thing

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Speaker 1: the difference with those guys that I talk about is

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Speaker 1: a level of consistency. Jelen Ramsey shows up every week

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Speaker 1: and you know what you're getting. What you would like

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Speaker 1: to do if you're the Cowboys, is to know that

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Speaker 1: each and every week Number seven is going to take

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Speaker 1: care of business on the island, whether we're traveling, whether

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Speaker 1: we're lining up playing right and left, that he just

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Speaker 1: lines up and goes and plays. And so he has

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Speaker 1: played so well that to me, I'm just like, man,

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Speaker 1: what has unlicked? I know in the off season he

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Speaker 1: But this dude is real. I mean, he is as

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Speaker 1: All right, Bucky Man, we appreciate you join us. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow and have you talked a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about this Carolina defense that you mentioned a little earlier,

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Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're gonna talk a

513
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Speaker 1: little bit about the defense. I wanted to do a

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Speaker 1: little deep dive here on a couple of questions about

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Speaker 1: the defense. I'm gonna start first with the fact that

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Speaker 1: this defense, if you look at it, at them and

517
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Speaker 1: watch them play. I think I'll speak for myself my

518
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Speaker 1: opinion of them, it is probably even higher than what

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Speaker 1: the statistics say they are relative to the rest of

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Speaker 1: the league. I think they're playing phenomenally, But when you

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Speaker 1: look at the numbers there ranked twenty sixth in overall

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Speaker 1: yards there ranked thirty first, and passing yards allowed. But

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Speaker 1: the most important stat their number one in the league

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Speaker 1: and takeaways with eight. My question for you guys, are

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Speaker 1: is our takeaways the biggest difference between two twenty one

526
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Speaker 1: and two and twenty for this defense? And if so,

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Speaker 1: is that sustainable? First of all, no, it's not the

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Speaker 1: biggest difference. I mean that you cannot undersell how bad

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Speaker 1: they were last year just in terms of the type

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Speaker 1: of plays they gave up. I mean, they got gashed

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Speaker 1: on the ground, they lost receivers in the passing amy

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Speaker 1: We just finished Week three. Think back to Week three

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Speaker 1: last year when Tyler Lockett had one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: yards and three touchdowns at halftime of that Seattle game,

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Speaker 1: and would have had an extra touchdown if Trayvon Diggs

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Speaker 1: hadn't punched the ball out at the goal line. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the type of stuff that they were giving up. No,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just that they weren't getting takeaways. They were

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Speaker 1: just awful, and so that it's striking because I think

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Speaker 1: I said this yesterday, they still seem to have a

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Speaker 1: problem with chunk plays, right, Like I do, I don't

542
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: care about yards per game. I think that's an outdated

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Speaker 1: way of looking at how good or bad you are,

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Speaker 1: because what happens in the context are you allowing touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: are big plays going for six or are you stopping

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Speaker 1: it and then rallying that type of stuff. So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why they're a lot better than

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Speaker 1: last year. I do still think they have a problem

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Speaker 1: with chunk plays, though, right they also seem to have

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Speaker 1: just a better standing of what they're doing. And I

551
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Speaker 1: know that that one touchdown there in the game where

552
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Speaker 1: they got lost and all that. But for the most part,

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Speaker 1: Dan coinn I think has done an amazing job of

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Speaker 1: two things. You know, you hear it all the time. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're going to simplify it for the players. Well, if

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Speaker 1: they're simplifying it for the players, what do you think

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady and offensive coordinators are also doing. If it's

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Speaker 1: that simplified for these guys, He's got it. Dan Coin's

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Speaker 1: done a great job of making it something that's very

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Speaker 1: relatable to these guys. But still exotic in another way.

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Speaker 1: I mean think Micah Parsons is flying all over the

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Speaker 1: place and lining up in different spots, which means other

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Speaker 1: players are lining up in different spots, and it's working

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Speaker 1: out so far. He's got He's getting these teams to

565
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Speaker 1: kind of be confused. But yet the players for the

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Speaker 1: most part, don't seem to be confused and what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: So maybe that extra preseason game, which an extra week

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Speaker 1: of training camp and stuff like that. We all complained

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Speaker 1: about it in our own ways, but I think it

570
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: might have helped because they really needed to be on

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Speaker 1: the field to learn those things. I'll change this question.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the most important thing that they're

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Speaker 1: doing is taking them all away? Well, I just picked

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Speaker 1: them up on my fantasy team. I'm just gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you that, because because they get points, they get they

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Speaker 1: get points. You and I did too, by the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now they're not starting, but I got them. I picked

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Speaker 1: them up, and I'm kind of holding You have a defense.

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Speaker 1: What is this, amateur? No, we do two defenses. We

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Speaker 1: do two of every position. Oh you play two defense?

581
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Speaker 1: No play one defense? But you got it. You can

582
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Speaker 1: have two of every position at least two of every position.

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Speaker 1: That's a wasted bench spot for me. Well, but you

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Speaker 1: couldn't use it for something else. It has to be

585
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Speaker 1: a defense, like you have to have two to have

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Speaker 1: two kickers, you have to have four running backs receivers like.

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Speaker 1: It also makes it to wear caught and at a

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Speaker 1: defense every week based on what the matchup is, who

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Speaker 1: they're playing. That's actually not a bad way to do

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Speaker 1: it anyway. Um. And also when you look at who

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are playing the next few games, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I still I get it, Carolina is you know they're

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Speaker 1: three and oh, but it wouldn't surprise me if they

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Speaker 1: don't go out and play well and all that. And

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Speaker 1: he got the Giants coming in, he got that rookie

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in New England and they haven't figured it out

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Speaker 1: over there in New England yet either. So you know,

598
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have favorable matchups here and they're taking the

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Speaker 1: ball away and they're gonna get they're getting sacks. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter who it is to be, they're they're

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Speaker 1: getting after them. So the answer your question is absolutely

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Speaker 1: and that it's scary because turnovers turn to turnovers and

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Speaker 1: takeaways scare me. Because there's there's no rhyme or reason

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Speaker 1: to it. Really. I mean, some teams are good at it,

605
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Speaker 1: but like nobody, nobody really has an answer for why

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Speaker 1: you're not getting them when you don't, And nobody has

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Speaker 1: a great answer for why you are other than probably confidence,

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Speaker 1: just being confident in the scheme, knowing where you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to be, and having a history of like, well, we've

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Speaker 1: done this before, like we can make these types of

611
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Speaker 1: plays no way. And I do think that's important, especially

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Speaker 1: first three weeks of the season, a lot of new

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Speaker 1: players on this defense, you're still feeling things out and

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Speaker 1: you're getting these types of results. That's really I think

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00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: that's really important because you already, like they should already

616
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Speaker 1: feel confident, like, yeah, this thing works when we're on

617
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Speaker 1: the screws, and so it can get better. Now. Do

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Speaker 1: I think it's realistic to think they're gonna do eight

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Speaker 1: in three games all through the season? I mean, what's

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Speaker 1: the math on that? So eight divided by three is

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Speaker 1: like two and a half. So they're gonna have thirty

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00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: six takeaways this year. That would be That would blow

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Speaker 1: the best mark for the time that I've been here

624
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: out of the water. Lot more than that. Really when

625
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Speaker 1: you think about seventeen game schedule. Yeah, I mean I

626
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: can't do math on the fly either, but yeah, it

627
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: was so much easier when it was sixteen. Then you know,

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Speaker 1: at the four game mark you can just yeah, now

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Speaker 1: it's yeah. So I do I think it is sustainable

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Speaker 1: at this level. Probably not like there will be some

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Speaker 1: two in three game droughts. But for them to be

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Speaker 1: doing it this consistently, this early, while they're still kind

633
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: of getting used to everything, I think that's really encouraging,

634
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Speaker 1: especially especially when you were to say any team in

635
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Speaker 1: the league, Hey, our best pass rusher is going to

636
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Speaker 1: be out, he's going to be out for a while,

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Speaker 1: and in a one game our top two pass rushers

638
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: are going to be out. We're gonna have to figure

639
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: this out and move some people around and all that.

640
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: You know, this is why you keep the linebackers. You

641
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: know that that they did, I mean, they kept the

642
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: depth there. And one of those other points that we

643
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: didn't talk we didn't ask Bucky about it, but one

644
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: of the points that he made is it's time to

645
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: give Jalen Smith his props. He's playing really well based

646
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: off of expectations, but he's still he's done a nice

647
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: job and he's helped. This is going to sound mean,

648
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: and I really don't mean it to Jalen Smith is

649
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: a serviceable player right now. Still probably not living up

650
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: to the size of that contract. Yeah, yeah, but that's okay,

651
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: not probably. You're right, he's not living up to it.

652
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: But for where we were a month ago, thinking like

653
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: they have to cut this guy, how are we going to? Like?

654
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with him? And I'm not

655
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: trying to say anything bad about this guy because he's

656
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: a good leader too, But I mean, you could you

657
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: could argue that the law doesn't is not living up

658
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: to the contract. You can argue that because it is

659
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: such a huge number. He is he is still your

660
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: best player, he's your best pass rush and he does that.

661
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: He does things that aren't in the stat sheet. So

662
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: that's why it's kind of tricky. You can't just go

663
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: off sacks with him. But I mean, twenty one million

664
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: of dollars a year is a big, big number, and

665
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, you would have liked to see a little

666
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: bit more production too, But he does help. I think

667
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: this defense, God, I want to see him with a

668
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Quinn defense and that's this could be a nasty with him.

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00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't even I can't judge DeMarcus for breaking his foot,

670
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, well he's not he's not giving

671
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: you return on his investment. Yeah got he broke he

672
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: broke bones in his foot. He can't play. So I've

673
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: rather meant last year no, sure, sure, I mean since

674
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: he signed that deal, even he's been so much better

675
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: than a lot of people want to give him credit

676
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: for still probably not living up to that number. That's fair,

677
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: but right, is Zeke? You know, well, but this is

678
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Speaker 1: I know, I'm just My point is a lot of

679
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: these players, where they get a deal, it's hard. It's

680
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: hard to do it. I don't know that you can

681
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: name a lot of players around there, around even around

682
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: this league that get mega deals that you think after

683
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: they get the deal, oh yeah, they're living up to

684
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: that because at the time, it's like they're being paid

685
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: like the best player, the top player at their position,

686
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: which means if they're not playing as the top player

687
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: at their position, it's not in people's minds they're not

688
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: playing up to the deal. I don't want to get

689
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: into the weeds on this because it's a separate conversation.

690
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: I can think of a lot of guys, I mean,

691
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Aaron Donald. Like nobody's questioning why Aaron Donald's

692
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: making that money. About the guy out there in Chicago.

693
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: You think they're loving him right now, Like I don't

694
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: know that he's doing what they would expect of a

695
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: guy that's making the account of money he's made. I

696
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: haven't watched Khalil Mack this year, but I just think

697
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: the Bears problems go so far beyond watching smoothly. But

698
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter, as we know, that doesn't matter when

699
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: you're making the big money. Don't matter how the team's playing,

700
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: it's are you doing something that's making me think you're

701
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: the best in the league. I wouldn't make an investment

702
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: and a player like that unless I had my quarterback

703
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: situation settled. I think that's the lesson that I learned

704
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: there is because then you're just wasting money on guys that,

705
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: like an elite defense in twenty twenty one is not

706
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: enough to get you where you want to go. It's

707
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: just not not. If not, if you're awful on offense,

708
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: you can do it with it. Yeah, you got it.

709
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: Like we've said one hundred times. You gotta start doing

710
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: you gotta do something great. And this this team, this

711
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys team has got a great offense now that that

712
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: has shown, and they had it, we saw the makings

713
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: of it last year. But I think what's happening where

714
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: that anything is that they will they will do anything.

715
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: They will play any kind of style. Those styles make fights.

716
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: They talk about with boxing, they will slug it out.

717
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: They'll dance around the ring all day if you want.

718
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: They'll do anything you want. I'll run it up the

719
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: middle all these times, I'll run into the outside. We'll

720
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: throw it fifty times. Anyway you want to play it,

721
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: we'll play it that way, and we'll play it better.

722
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think that's the reason why the defense

723
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: is what is. I think this defense, in my opinion,

724
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: all they had to do is be an opportunistic defense.

725
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: They don't have to be great, and I think that's

726
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: what you're seeing. They're getting takeaways, and more importantly, they're

727
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: getting takeaways at opportune moments. They are stopping them in

728
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: the red zone, which which which matters. I was going

729
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: to say that before we kind of got derailed, is

730
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: if they keep doing this, if they are reliably getting

731
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: one to three takeaways a game. I think in the

732
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: off season we were like, all they gotta do is

733
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: be mediocre middle of the pack. If they're doing this,

734
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: they canna be twenty fifth in total defense, right And

735
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: and that was the whole point I was making with that,

736
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: is that the numbers will tell you that they haven't

737
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: played great defense, but they're doing what they need to

738
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: do for this kind of team, for this kind of offense,

739
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: they's got to be opportunistic and give them as many

740
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: shots at it as possible because this offense is going

741
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: to score more times than not. To go back to

742
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: the offense real quick, Jason Garrett, you know, I'm not

743
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: taking shots at him, but he would always say, hey,

744
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: we do what we do. We do what we do,

745
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: we do and they adjust and that would work if

746
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: it's going really well. I think what we're seeing now

747
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: is we're not doing what we do. We'll do whatever

748
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: you don't want us to do, and you're whatever you're

749
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: not ready for it, and we'll do that. And it's incredible.

750
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I felt like we came in here every

751
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: Monday during the disappointing years of the Garrett era talking

752
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: about that is like, oh, look at that. When you

753
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: don't when you're not better across the board, that doesn't work.

754
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: And the years that that worked for them, they had

755
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: incredible offensive lines. And you know, fourteen they had a

756
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: guy playing at an MVP level at quarterback, and in

757
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: sixteen they had that year arguably the best running back

758
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: in the league, dictating the pace of the game. Um.

759
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: So that's awesome when you're better across the board, but

760
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: when you're not, being adaptable is a lot of fun

761
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: and way better. That's that's why I go off on

762
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: these tangents about Kellen Moore because it's so refreshing. Yeah,

763
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to get one more question. Yeah, I wanted

764
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: to get one more quick question for you guys. On

765
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: the matchup this week. We talked a little b about

766
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggle earlier with Bucky. He's leading the NFL and

767
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: past defenses with six, tied for the league interceptions with three.

768
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Would you use him this week to take away more

769
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: more being their best option? Would you use him in

770
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: that kind of role where you travel him with him

771
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: and just try to take him out of the game

772
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: and force other guys to beat you think you gotta

773
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: double them up. I mean, I absolutely feel comfortable with that.

774
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: If he can do it against Mike Evans and Keenan Allen,

775
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: those are I mean. And I think kylie of Dj Moore,

776
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: I loved him coming out of the draft. Those guys

777
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: are better than he than DJ Moore. The thing that

778
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: worries me about that is Robbie Anderson's a deep shot beast,

779
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: and do you feel comfortable with that? But that's but yeah,

780
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: I look at it and say, I would rather double

781
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: him and make sure he doesn't get deep ever, like

782
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: you're never gonna have You're always gonna have a guy

783
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: over the top with him, and I would make sure

784
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: that that's a mainstay. And then let's say I'm gonna

785
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: take away DJ Moore with my best defender. Yeah, he

786
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: might make some plays, but I don't think he's gonna

787
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: get off, And so to me, that's kind of your

788
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: best both worlds, and then who you're gonna beat the

789
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys with? Right, You can also flip it too. You

790
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: can also say I'll take him against Robbie Anderson and

791
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: just shut him down if he can shut him down,

792
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: and then you maybe you double team Dj Moore. I mean,

793
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: there's different ways to skin the cat. So and that's

794
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: and they maybe maybe we'll do all of it. I

795
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: think people lose sight of in the course of a game,

796
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: you do a little bit of everything. I mean, it's

797
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: just not as simple as this and this sixty five.

798
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: The reason I asked that is because I do think

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Speaker 1: maybe for the first time in a very very long time,

800
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: Dallas has a corner where they are actually using him

801
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: like that, where they're saying, you're gonna take this guy

802
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: to game A. Okay, he's been pretty good at him

803
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: A okay with Treyvon Diggs having that assignment and just

804
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: just Brackett Anderson and actually have the safety get over there, right,

805
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: because that was the problem in New York a couple

806
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: of years ago. That was the problem in Week one two,

807
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: like Anthony Brown was supposed to have safety help and

808
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: it just didn't get there. So don't make that mistake.

809
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, just think about what this team has that

810
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: we've just talked about in the last five minutes that

811
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: we haven't had adaptable play callers that do like weird

812
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: and exotics, uh, teams that turn the ball over, our

813
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: defense that gets turnovers, a corner, a shutdown corner that

814
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: travels with everyone, great safety help and safety depth. I mean,

815
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: what's going on here right? I don't I don't know.

816
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean, when Donovan Wilson comes back, I don't know

817
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: who the backups are going to be. Hooker, Donovan Wilson, Wilson,

818
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't Dona Wilson and Lee Cooker will probably be

819
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: your backups to Jayron Curse. And because he even though

820
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: they're all gonna play, there's there's years where those two

821
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: backups would have easily started and been really good upgrades.

822
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: So safety depth, I mean, that's that's what is that

823
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: It's everything it I can't I can't wrap my brain

824
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: around it. I think the Jron Curse signing and what

825
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: has happened here is one of the more underrated things

826
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about a lot. I mean, this

827
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: guy's leading the team and tackle or one off. I

828
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: think he's leading the team and tackles, leading team and

829
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: special teams tackles. Nobody really wanted him. Dan Quinn was like,

830
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: I have a perfect role for him. They brought him in.

831
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: It's been great, and he's got swagged to him. That's

832
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: I think hope that guy on the Eagle sidelines. Okay,

833
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: but I mean you know that that that's like the

834
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: hardest hit of the night. Was that kid the trainer

835
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: or just saw that. But other I mean he's physical,

836
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's got it's it's fun. Like

837
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: it's weird to say about it. He was just kind

838
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: of a journeyman before he got here. He's a versatile

839
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: play like he doesn't have one defined role. He might

840
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: he might not even be considered a starter depending on

841
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: who's available. But I think he's got some spunk to

842
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: him instead of the other word that you usually say.

843
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: There this too, like if you go look and I'm

844
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: not hating on I'm good for you. He gets on

845
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: Twitter after the games and like he'll go at people

846
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: that that have something to say or got a little

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, he was talking. He was talking, yes, but

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Speaker 1: a little bit, a little a lot of it, but

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Speaker 1: not always necessarily in a negative way, Like he was

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Speaker 1: just he was on Twitter yesterday and and just like, man,

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00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: I love being around this team. This team's a lot

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00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: of fun. And so I wasn't expecting him to be

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00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: this energetic leadership type of guy. But that seems from

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Speaker 1: the outside at least like what's happening, Like I think

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00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: he's making a big impact, but he does fit the

856
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: moll And I think this is where you were talking

857
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: about you can't really always predict how you get turnovers.

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00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: I do think at some point we got to start

859
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: talking about the way they constructed this team. They were

860
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: very very adamant, we want long, rangy, aggressive type defensive backs,

861
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: and they went out and got him in droves. And

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00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: maybe that's a part of what you're seeing right now

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00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: is you got those kind of players and they're playing

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00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: like that in a scheme that really fits for them

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Speaker 1: to be able to be aggressive and use those long

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00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: limbs to be able to get to get their hands

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Speaker 1: on balls. And true, but two of the other guys

868
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: that are also making plays are not gonna win any

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Speaker 1: any you know, tallest man contests. You know, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about Kaze, I mean, but I'm talking about how

871
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Speaker 1: long is he? How long? Not not Jordan? Obviously Jordan

872
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: is a smaller guy. But I'm talking about like that

873
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: was the thing, Like Trayvon Digg isn't a big guy,

874
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: he's got long arms, and so that's the thing, like

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00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: you talked about, we talked about in draft day, like

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00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: all these guys that are bringing in, all of them

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00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: got like limbs. I don't think Casey's got a long harm.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. That's not that's a question.

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Speaker 1: CAZy is an interesting outlier. He doesn't look anything like

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00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: the rest of him. But he un curses six eight right. No,

881
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: but well, and I think it's not a coincidence the

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00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: guy CAZy being the guy that doesn't fit the rest

883
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 1: of this mold is the guy that played for five

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00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: years with Quinn in Atlanta, four years. What every name

885
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: is so like perfect ye crazy because he plays that way.

886
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: He really is. I mean, he's gonna he's that guy.

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00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: He reminds me of rocket Ismael in this in this

888
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: way rocket Ismail every single game at the end of

889
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: the game was hurt. Hey, he might have lost it.

890
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he might be out for the game. He's

891
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: got hurt. He's a little guy that got hit and

892
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: and he was banged up all the time, but he

893
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: was back in the next week and and and Casey's

894
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: kind of that way. We've seen him banged up, but

895
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Speaker 1: he's back in it and playing making plays. Um. He

896
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: just kind of has he just plays with reckless, you know, abandoned. Really,

897
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Speaker 1: I think it's this secondary has been attacking opponents through

898
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: the first three weeks, like making players on the ball

899
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: curse to get I mean, mixing it up with the

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Speaker 1: sideline and all that type of stuff. And I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say, I definitely don't want to say like

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00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: any NFL player is afraid out there, but like the

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00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: secondaries that we've been so used to watching have almost

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00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: been passive, you know, And I like that was kind

905
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: of Marinelli's idea, was like keep them in front of you,

906
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: limit the big plays will be okay. And so you

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00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: just never saw that kind of attitude and aggression and

908
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: just like we're gonna go take it to you, Like

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00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that from the Dallas secondary and Brandon

910
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: cars and Byron Jones, those guys, you know, more cover guys.

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Speaker 1: Stay with them and think about how they were being taught.

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00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: I remember this several years ago. They were they were

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00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: actually the techniques they were teaching them were not really

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00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: attacked the ball type techniques. They were more like get

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00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: your hand in between the receiver's arm, try to knock

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00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: the ball out. The purpose was more to break up

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00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: the past than it was to go after the ball.

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Speaker 1: So it also can be about how you're being taught

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Speaker 1: and what you're being asked to do as a cornerback

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00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: as well. All Right, apprecate you guys, jon Us. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. We're gonna talk a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about the Carolina offense. I'm sorry to Carolina defense versus

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. Till then for Nick even, Dave helm

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Speaker 1: and I am Derek Eelton. This has been The Break

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