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Speaker 1: This is episode one thirty one of Native lampod where
Speaker 1: we give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Angela Rai, joined by my co
Speaker 1: host Andrew Gillum and Bacari Sellers. A lot is happening
Speaker 1: this week, guys. Donald Trump is just just at war.
Speaker 2: Yes, too much is right. That's to be the name
Speaker 2: of the show. Too much it's happening.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is not just at Warren Iran. He has
Speaker 1: declared war on America. Snap cuts are hitting states and
Speaker 1: so our redistricting lines to silence our voices in Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri.
Speaker 1: But there may be some wins at least for now
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, Indiana, and South Carolina. Doctor King was worried
Speaker 1: about integrating his people into a burning house?
Speaker 2: Was he right?
Speaker 1: Getting into all of this and then some today? Welcome home, y'all,
Speaker 1: Welcome welcome home. Okay, do you guys feel like you
Speaker 1: need to say anything? Show open or can we jump
Speaker 1: on it in? They all right, let's get into for
Speaker 1: your situational awareness because we have a lot of news
Speaker 1: you can use. Gop Republican representative. I'm sorry, I just
Speaker 1: didn't even know what to call her. But after this,
Speaker 1: she's going to be a sharecropper because listen what she said.
Speaker 1: So Jim Kiggins recently joined a radio show where the
Speaker 1: host had something to say about Democratic leader Hakim Jeffries.
Speaker 1: It's given big sharecropping vibes. Let's go ahead and roll
Speaker 1: that clip.
Speaker 3: If a King Jeffries wants to be involved in Virginia politics,
Speaker 3: then I suggest he does what all a bunch of
Speaker 3: New Yorkers are doing. Leave New York, move down here
Speaker 3: to Virginia. Run for office down here. You can represent us,
Speaker 3: if not, get your cotton picking hands off of Virginia.
Speaker 4: That's right, yes, yes to that.
Speaker 1: So she claims she didn't hear him say cotton picking,
Speaker 1: but she said that's right, Yes, yes to that. That
Speaker 1: is three of her left yes, and hints that's why
Speaker 1: she's a GOP Republican because I want to double down in.
Speaker 2: Her yes, yes, yes to that.
Speaker 1: The congresswoman is in a contested race against Representative Elaine Luria.
Speaker 1: She's a former congresswoman representing that area of Virginia Congressional
Speaker 1: second Congressional District too, which holds Chesapeake and Virginia Beach areas.
Speaker 2: Kakeim is calling for her to resign.
Speaker 1: What do y'all say, should she be censured on the
Speaker 1: House floor, reprimanded? How about the making sure that punishment
Speaker 1: is equal in the House of Representatives, which y'all think.
Speaker 4: No, no, not until we get to speak of the House.
Speaker 4: Who believes that the Congress is the first branch of government.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean we got bigger schristal fry. I
Speaker 5: mean I think that that, look, what she said was racist.
Speaker 5: Let let spend some money in her district. Let people know,
Speaker 5: because she's up for an election in a tough district.
Speaker 5: But I'm more concerned about the individuals who are, you know,
Speaker 5: as Andrews says, making sure we don't have people who
Speaker 5: share our lived experiences in common in voting that way
Speaker 5: than what people say on a little AM radio show.
Speaker 5: So I just think we got we don't have that
Speaker 5: much time and we don't have that much energy. So
Speaker 5: let's focus that on what I think moves the needle.
Speaker 2: Okay, y'all saying keeping the main thing, the main thing.
Speaker 4: I will just say it could be used. And I
Speaker 4: think what Kart was getting here, he said, spend a
Speaker 4: little bit of money within this district to just drive up,
Speaker 4: you know, negatives and see if this thing can't be flipped.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, if you drive up her negatives half
Speaker 5: a point on this, that's a win.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think that's part of this strategy, right.
Speaker 1: It's not like resign or get censured for resign and
Speaker 1: cents your's sake. It would be to try to take
Speaker 1: that seat back because she's im moral and racist or
Speaker 1: at least aligns with them.
Speaker 2: So I think.
Speaker 1: You know, however, however, we got to make the math
Speaker 1: math against these map maps.
Speaker 2: We got to figure it out.
Speaker 5: So again hooking by hook a by crooks, Like.
Speaker 4: Well, that's they're saying for sure, my Jesus.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now here's my next question for y'all.
Speaker 1: What happened to separation of powers or minding conflicts of interest?
Speaker 1: Because I really want to understand why six conservative all
Speaker 1: six all six conservative justices from the Supreme.
Speaker 2: Court, we're living it up and living their.
Speaker 1: Best life at the White House for Trump's state dinner
Speaker 1: honoring King Charles the day before, a very consequential voting
Speaker 1: rights vote. This was the day before the Louisiana versus
Speaker 1: Cali decision dropped.
Speaker 2: What were they doing, y'all? What are they doing?
Speaker 4: This is a tough one when you at Clarence Thomas
Speaker 4: taking rackets that total more than tens of millions of
Speaker 4: dollars in value from people who have business before the court.
Speaker 4: And the Chief justices response is that we have a
Speaker 4: policy internally, but that it is a self governing, a
Speaker 4: self policing policy around ethics. Nothing surprises me when it
Speaker 4: comes to this court. I think Justice Jackson had it
Speaker 4: right that they are just partisans, their acting as partisan characters.
Speaker 4: There's no reason that we should confused the American people
Speaker 4: that their actual jurists when it comes to making decisions
Speaker 4: between democracy, the constitution versus Trump and Trump's priorities. Trump
Speaker 4: and trump priorities take precedence with this court period.
Speaker 5: You know, I think that there has been a direct
Speaker 5: correlation and I can't remember who made it, between Justice
Speaker 5: Roberts and Justice Tanny who arthured the eighteen fifty six
Speaker 5: fifty seven I should know that dred Scott decision that
Speaker 5: said that African Americans free or enslaved were not citizens
Speaker 5: after the Cali decision came down is eighteen.
Speaker 2: By the way, that was close, very close.
Speaker 5: And I think that, yeah, when you look at the
Speaker 5: Cali decision, there is it is analogous to the tenure
Speaker 5: of Chief Justice Roberts. However, this lack of ethics is
Speaker 5: a new kind of a nundrum that the Court is
Speaker 5: dealing with. He's going to be remembered both for taking
Speaker 5: away the rights of women. You know, if you a
Speaker 5: woman who was born forty years ago had more rights,
Speaker 5: reproductive rights and a woman born today taking the rights
Speaker 5: of African Americans away with the with the evisceraration of
Speaker 5: the Voting Rights Act.
Speaker 4: I mean he he's going to go in the most
Speaker 4: self contradicting court in the history of the courts. I
Speaker 4: mean courts reversed themselves, but usually generations later.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they reversed themselves in three years. They said President
Speaker 5: three years ago, don't don't apply today. And I mean
Speaker 5: they told us they get This is the same court
Speaker 5: that gave us that a corporation as a citizen, which
Speaker 5: fundamentally changed the way that politics in this country works. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: the Chief Justice Roberts. But how you like them apples.
Speaker 4: Your mudium Damn.
Speaker 1: I had a good transition to I said, I don't
Speaker 1: like the mapple that all, but if we eat one
Speaker 1: a day, it keeps the doctor away. And Andrew actually
Speaker 1: has some information that is very helpful about how we
Speaker 1: can live our best lives regardless of what the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court is doing living it up on our expense. The
Speaker 1: nerd in him found out about an epigenetic study that
Speaker 1: makes a correlation between music and extending lifespan. So Andrew,
Speaker 1: please fill us in on this necessary bio hack.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if it's cute, but I know
Speaker 4: we got a little video introduction to this. But I
Speaker 4: told you earlier I was a nerd on this one
Speaker 4: because so epidemiology for those who don't know, basically, I
Speaker 4: think the literal translation is on top of genes meaning
Speaker 4: other than your genes, which we get a lot of
Speaker 4: information and inputs to tell us that our genes are
Speaker 4: predictive of our lifespan, of habits.
Speaker 6: Of.
Speaker 4: Various diseases that through no fault of our own, we
Speaker 4: can contract. Well. Science is telling us that our life
Speaker 4: trajectory is based basically about fifty percent on our genes
Speaker 4: and the other fifty percent on our behaviors, our habits,
Speaker 4: our diets, so on and so forth. Well, just this
Speaker 4: week a new study was released. Well, actually, I'll let
Speaker 4: the Newswoman tell you.
Speaker 2: The Newswoman is nuts news.
Speaker 5: Seventy five year old man's I'm about the new.
Speaker 4: Speaking of age, here's the.
Speaker 5: C what what do you think?
Speaker 7: Okay, my sick figure may not sell for millions in
Speaker 7: some prestigious art gallery, but apparently creating art may help
Speaker 7: us age slower. A new study from University College London
Speaker 7: found people who regularly do things like read, listen to music,
Speaker 7: or visit museums may biologically age slower.
Speaker 5: Than people who don't.
Speaker 7: Researchers say the mental, emotional, and social stimulation from the
Speaker 7: arts may help keep our brains healthier as we get older.
Speaker 6: Finishing, touch, cooking, dance, music, let me know in the
Speaker 6: commons below, you.
Speaker 2: Know it was just music age. So I'm glass. She
Speaker 2: drew her little stick.
Speaker 4: Figure, and guess what I have for two days now
Speaker 4: been doing art in my garage. This is a piece,
Speaker 4: a piece I translated using birthday masks. But this is.
Speaker 2: Put about put it all the way, like, put it
Speaker 2: in front of your face. Are you wearing this mask
Speaker 2: to a.
Speaker 4: Nope, but they were from Mars masks. But the point
Speaker 4: is is that the the life extension that is expected
Speaker 4: through the science and research has been done on this
Speaker 4: is about a six percent increase in your lifespan capacity,
Speaker 4: which equates to about a year that you add to
Speaker 4: your life by doing just things like arts, culture, going
Speaker 4: to see a play, music, singing, ansing, or enjoying those things.
Speaker 4: And there is no difference in whether you are the
Speaker 4: participant or the observer. And guess what else? This was
Speaker 4: the kicker for me. It is equivalent. The six percent
Speaker 4: is equivalent to the exact same life extension you get
Speaker 4: by doing exercise over that same period.
Speaker 1: It's pretty impressive that you're gonna be able to fit
Speaker 1: your clothes, y'all take it from me.
Speaker 4: Here, no guarante here, no guarantees.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's fine if we can get lightpo suction
Speaker 1: paid for.
Speaker 2: But car, you should let us hold something.
Speaker 1: We hear you have an important lawsuit against open AI
Speaker 1: given there. Unfortunately I'm not going yet. They are unfortunately
Speaker 1: to the shooter at FSU. So this is important and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you were paid out yet. I
Speaker 1: know you'll let us hold some on the other side,
Speaker 1: but please talk to us because I think it's really
Speaker 1: important for people to know about the dangers of AI
Speaker 1: and the overreach without regulation.
Speaker 5: So yes, I was joined by Greg Francis and Robbie
Speaker 5: Bell from Osborne Francis in Orlando and Banished from Banister,
Speaker 5: White and Stallvey in Greenville, South Carolina. Along with my
Speaker 5: law partner, Amy will Banks. We represent Tiru Chaba, who
Speaker 5: was an employee of air Mark who was down in
Speaker 5: the student center. Air Mark, as you all may or
Speaker 5: may not know, is one of the largest food service
Speaker 5: providers in the country and they were down there visiting,
Speaker 5: attempting to get in good graces so they could maintain
Speaker 5: a contract with Florida State University. When young mister Eigner
Speaker 5: opened up shots in the student center, he killed two individuals,
Speaker 5: including my client. And one of the things we found
Speaker 5: out as we were going through this process is we
Speaker 5: actually got thirteen thousand chat logs turned over to us
Speaker 5: over a year of communications between chat GPT and mister
Speaker 5: Eigner talking about everything you can imagine, but you could
Speaker 5: steadily see someone going through a downward spiral, to say
Speaker 5: the least, and the day of he actually would ask
Speaker 5: questions like what time is the best time to go
Speaker 5: to Florida State where the most students would be on campus.
Speaker 5: They gave him a time frame he committed the murders.
Speaker 5: During that time frame. He would ask him about the
Speaker 5: types of weapons that he had and how they should
Speaker 5: be used. He asked him how many people had to
Speaker 5: be killed in order for the to garner the news.
Speaker 5: He expressed admiration for Columbine et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: And so we filed this seventy six page lawsuit. I'll
Speaker 5: actually add it to the show notes so anybody who's
Speaker 5: interested or any young students who want to go to
Speaker 5: law school can read it. It's a product's liability case.
Speaker 5: It's a uphill battle because we're fighting, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: a country board from Denmark fighting billionaires in Palo Alto.
Speaker 5: But we feel like we're standing on on just ground.
Speaker 5: I was in Tallahassee this week in front of the
Speaker 5: courthouse announcing this lawsuit, and I'm excited for what's next.
Speaker 5: This isn't like two thirty cases that everybody hears about
Speaker 5: against YouTube and Facebook, because in those cases, YouTube and
Speaker 5: Facebook only source information from other folk. In this particular case, AI,
Speaker 5: it actually creates the content that it regurgitates to the user,
Speaker 5: and it does so without any safeguards. And the last
Speaker 5: thing I'll say is everybody can probably go on and
Speaker 5: find access to those thirteen thousand chats, But after you
Speaker 5: do it, it really makes you want to hug your children,
Speaker 5: because this young man was going through so much and
Speaker 5: he utilized chat GPT as his best friend. That was
Speaker 5: his group chat. That's like the only person who spoke
Speaker 5: to all day every day.
Speaker 4: Sounds like Nick Fintez. But beyond that, I remember the shooting,
Speaker 4: and naturally we just celebrated, well, rather commemorated a year
Speaker 4: since that tragic event occurred at Florida State University. My
Speaker 4: heart always races when I, of course, hear about shootings
Speaker 4: on campuses. I think about schools, I think about kk
Speaker 4: phup system, I think about it all, and I'm sorry
Speaker 4: for the passing of your client's child. I say this
Speaker 4: if for folks who may not completely I think understand, well,
Speaker 4: why chat GPT. If the individual is asking the question,
Speaker 4: then they're just answering them. If those questions were posed
Speaker 4: to an adult over the continuum of a year's worth
Speaker 4: of time. There would be a composite picture pretty much
Speaker 4: gained by that set of exchanges that would have sent
Speaker 4: up some red flag laws, would have sent up some
Speaker 4: Baker Act potentially that would have caused some level of
Speaker 4: intervention that could have potentially staved off this event. The
Speaker 4: shooter's mother was actually a local Shares deputy here in
Speaker 4: sibley On County.
Speaker 5: One of the Weapons Service weapons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I deeply regret I think the way the
Speaker 4: community treated.
Speaker 3: Her.
Speaker 4: The sins of the mother are not the child, and
Speaker 4: the sins of the child are not the parent. But
Speaker 4: I will say I am I've been terrified of AI,
Speaker 4: and only after listening to this interview this week about
Speaker 4: this new book that just came out this week, I'm
Speaker 4: Not a Robot that chronicles the life of a journalist
Speaker 4: who spends an entire year using AI for just about everything, cooking, scheduling,
Speaker 4: getting a massage from a robot, and comparing these experiences
Speaker 4: between the human experience and that of the robot massuits.
Speaker 4: And she came out saying, I was surprised, terribly surprised
Speaker 4: that the robotic experience was comparable, if not better than
Speaker 4: the human experience, and what I think I feel about
Speaker 4: that is we one are replacing ourselves, but two, why
Speaker 4: isn't there any regulation on this stuff? And why can't
Speaker 4: people in government move to protect our jobs? Our interests
Speaker 4: are cuture? What are the ethics around this? I don't
Speaker 4: leave it up to Elon Musk and his ethics to
Speaker 4: define the parameters of what it should and shouldn't be
Speaker 4: used for. I think it requires government intervention and maccari.
Speaker 4: I hope through this lawsuit, not only are you going
Speaker 4: to find justice on the other side of the family,
Speaker 4: but that it will awaken some consciousness and lawmakers around
Speaker 4: how to regulate this.
Speaker 2: Stuff that we absolutely need it.
Speaker 1: We also need somebody to regulate Donald Trump's mouth, because
Speaker 1: what is it with him and black women reporters? So
Speaker 1: he called Rachel Scott of ABC a bitch because she
Speaker 1: had the audacity to ask him a question he did
Speaker 1: not like.
Speaker 2: Let's roll the clip.
Speaker 4: You're just right, thank you, thank you, press, thank you.
Speaker 4: You see the DHS secretary next to him.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, of course that's raise MB And
Speaker 1: then he called a Kayla Gardner a very dumb person
Speaker 1: for asking about a ballroom that was supposed to be
Speaker 1: paid for by private donations, and then the four hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar bill got passed the taxpayers. Then now they're
Speaker 1: saying is a billion dollars based on a Secret Service
Speaker 1: briefing with Republican senators just on Tuesday, they're saying it's
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty million to hearten the White House complex,
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty million for a visitor screening facility,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five million for training, and another
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five million to enhance security for
Speaker 1: Secret Service protectees. According to a memo that was provided
Speaker 1: to NBC News, let's please roll the clip where he
Speaker 1: has the audacity to talk to the system this way
Speaker 1: for asking questions.
Speaker 2: We all have.
Speaker 8: Ballroom.
Speaker 9: So what happened is we have a ballroom that's under budget.
Speaker 4: It's going up right here. I've doubled the.
Speaker 9: Size of it because we obviously need that and we're
Speaker 9: right now on budget, under budget and ahead of schedule. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I double the size of it. You dumbed for if
Speaker 9: you are you are not a smart right over here?
Speaker 9: What about right over here? And based on a lot
Speaker 9: of things that have happened over the last year, we uh,
Speaker 9: we double the size.
Speaker 4: Of the ballroom.
Speaker 9: So we're gonna have a ballroom that's appropriate for the
Speaker 9: White House. We double the size. The ballroom now is
Speaker 9: ahead of schedule and it's a little bit under budget
Speaker 9: depending on the finishes.
Speaker 1: And so here you hear him in the mind question. Wait,
Speaker 1: let me just say this one thing real quick me
Speaker 1: just so we like clarify this. Here you hear him say,
Speaker 1: you dumb person, You're not a very smart person, very
Speaker 1: clearly right into the mic. On the past clip, you
Speaker 1: see him mouth bitch, but you don't audibly hear it.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of reporters that heard him
Speaker 1: say that about and to Rachel Scott this one, you
Speaker 1: hear it directly of the mic.
Speaker 2: Be your question, Yeah, this is for.
Speaker 5: Y'all too, Like, how should black reporters, particularly black female reporters,
Speaker 5: respond to this level of disrespect while maintaining whatever societal
Speaker 5: decorum standards we have in place for the way journalists
Speaker 5: or professionals are supposed to act.
Speaker 4: Answer.
Speaker 2: I guess, since I'm the resident black woman, I will go.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you should ask me,
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to be the one, like the.
Speaker 5: Only one here. There are some people out.
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you how I would respond if he
Speaker 1: said to do what Donald.
Speaker 2: Trump did and let me respond no, ma'am, yes, please,
Speaker 2: somebody not me.
Speaker 5: I'm not doing let me.
Speaker 2: I can't reenact.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say hen Kong a black woman dumb.
Speaker 5: So somebody can edited. And then on the side tomorrow,
Speaker 5: Ellen kick me out.
Speaker 1: Derek, do me a favor. Run the part of this No,
Speaker 1: I just want to show you how I respond.
Speaker 2: Derek.
Speaker 1: Run a part of the clip where he says dumb person,
Speaker 1: and cut it off right there so I can respond,
Speaker 1: like he's talking to me.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, why they have this ballroom? Cost as much?
Speaker 9: Go I double the size of it, You dumb person?
Speaker 2: Who the are you talking to?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: I don't know, ain't no mister president here. I don't
Speaker 1: know who you're talking to. There's nobody dumb standing here.
Speaker 1: I know you love to call black people low iq.
Speaker 1: I know you love to challenge our intellect, but the
Speaker 1: only dummy standing here is you, because you're the one
Speaker 1: that can't do the math to figure out that number one.
Speaker 2: We don't need this ballroom. Number two.
Speaker 1: You've broken all kinds of laws soliciting donations for said ballroom,
Speaker 1: and now you're trying to pass this off to taxpayers.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out who you're talking to, who
Speaker 1: you think you're fooling, because we all see you.
Speaker 5: In secret service.
Speaker 4: To the gates of the White House.
Speaker 5: And she's fired from ABC. She won't even make it.
Speaker 1: She wanted it, that was that was okay, So she
Speaker 1: actually works for MSN.
Speaker 5: Now confused, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Going for that.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't care who you are, you don't get
Speaker 1: to disrespect me.
Speaker 2: And I do think that there is an.
Speaker 1: Obligation for us to carry in the strength and the
Speaker 1: respect of other black people, other black women into those spaces.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we should like I don't think
Speaker 1: that it's our obligation to just be like okay and
Speaker 1: just keep asking the question. No, there's a line that
Speaker 1: you've crossed, and you have violated my self respect and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to allow that to happen.
Speaker 4: I'm just not I feel I think what one with
Speaker 4: these journalists are trained to do is not make themselves
Speaker 4: a story. So they're going to go out of their
Speaker 4: way on all counts not to become what the thing
Speaker 4: is that people are talking about. They want. She is well,
Speaker 4: of course, but but imagine had she, you know, said
Speaker 4: I'm not a bitch and then kept going there was
Speaker 4: you know, she then becomes she replaces the story she
Speaker 4: wants to cover. The story she wants to cover is
Speaker 4: how the everything you touch Donald Trump basically is cheaper
Speaker 4: before your hands get to it, and then you touch it,
Speaker 4: you break it, and it costs the American people more money.
Speaker 4: There's a trend here, right. Let's look at the straight
Speaker 4: of her moves, which was open before he declared war.
Speaker 4: He had had a success at getting anything else done
Speaker 4: in this war other than costing the American people billions
Speaker 4: of dollars. And we still ain't gotten no strait of
Speaker 4: her moves open.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So the White House he destroys it. He wants to
Speaker 4: build a ballroom. It starts a two hundred million, then
Speaker 4: it goes to four hundred and fifty million, and now
Speaker 4: we're over a billion dollars. Everything he touches cost everybody
Speaker 4: more money. That's I mean, that's that's not what she
Speaker 4: was going to say, but that's what the viewer is
Speaker 4: to interpret from these rising costs that are so constant
Speaker 4: with him. What I would like to see, though, is
Speaker 4: the journalist together rebuke the behavior of the president. He
Speaker 4: calls white women names, he calls anybody he doesn't like
Speaker 4: from anywhere in the world a name or an insult.
Speaker 4: If he doesn't like what's coming out of their miles.
Speaker 4: They together say no, I agree with you. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: I just want to say, why can't they together, as generalists, say,
Speaker 4: put a lot of demarcation. We will not cover this
Speaker 4: White House and till such and such, we will not
Speaker 4: at least attend your press conferences to carry your message
Speaker 4: until such and such. And they're not doing that well.
Speaker 1: And I think that that is part of the challenge
Speaker 1: when you when if they all stand together, let's walk
Speaker 1: this out. And this actually leads great into our viewer
Speaker 1: question into our next topic. When you protest in that way,
Speaker 1: when you are the people of consciousness in that way
Speaker 1: with this administration, what ends up happening is they just
Speaker 1: find your replacement. It's not a replacement that's credible. But
Speaker 1: look at what the press room at the Department of Defenses.
Speaker 1: I refuse to how that shit wore Department of Defense
Speaker 1: looks like now right like there is something about having.
Speaker 2: To still be present.
Speaker 1: I think that we are reaching the point or we
Speaker 1: have long reached the point where we have to draw
Speaker 1: the line in the sand with this man as a
Speaker 1: human being first, because he regularly violates human decency.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, get it, get it.
Speaker 4: And I think my recommendation is not not to protest
Speaker 4: the press conferences itself, but not to carry their messages.
Speaker 4: So these things begin with them rolling out their lives
Speaker 4: and you know, fantasies that they want you to then
Speaker 4: carry on your evening news rather than the types of
Speaker 4: questions that should be being posed to these folks. But
Speaker 4: you know, I just don't have expectations for the man.
Speaker 4: But I don't think we should allow it to be
Speaker 4: gotten away with either.
Speaker 5: My only point is I think her bosses should. I
Speaker 5: think her bosses should show some level of respect for
Speaker 5: her and come out and say something as well. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just for me, I agree with you, for both
Speaker 5: of them. Yeah, but I yeah, I agree. I mean,
Speaker 5: I just think that this some higher ups you should
Speaker 5: come out and at least issue a statement that that
Speaker 5: type of disrespect would not be shown to employees of
Speaker 5: ABC or a mess.
Speaker 1: Now, now I'll say this be if I had any
Speaker 1: confidence at all that the news organizations would do that.
Speaker 2: That would not be my response. I would say something.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, I would be like, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure who you're talking to, but I do have a question, right.
Speaker 1: But if I knew that my organization would do that,
Speaker 1: if I knew, they would not have my back, which traditionally,
Speaker 1: we're seeing that the FCC issue with the view is different.
Speaker 1: We're seeing ABC kind of show up a little differently,
Speaker 1: but in the meantime, we know we're going to have
Speaker 1: to show up for ourselves. We have a viewer question
Speaker 1: along these lines, and this comes from Latrina.
Speaker 2: Let's hear a question from Arkansas.
Speaker 8: Hey, lady Pa, my name is Latrina from Little Rock, Arkansas.
Speaker 4: I got a question for you all.
Speaker 5: I am really completed.
Speaker 8: My question is they're redistricting everybody returning, taking away Democratic districts,
Speaker 8: putting us in Republican districts. What happens then? What happens
Speaker 8: if we don't vote? Who are we supposed to vote for?
Speaker 8: If we're refusing to vote for anybody with an art
Speaker 8: beside their names and we're left with no representation. What
Speaker 8: happens if we don't vote or who are we supposed
Speaker 8: to vote for? Now that is my question. Can y'all
Speaker 8: please put that can speak on that we are I'm
Speaker 8: out here compised. I have never missed an election.
Speaker 4: I'm forty eight years old.
Speaker 8: I voted in every election since I was eighteen. Please
Speaker 8: help signed a confirm voter.
Speaker 2: I love it when I tell you.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that made me emotional, but it
Speaker 1: really did. Thank you first of all for calling in.
Speaker 1: I do feel like our people are at this remarkable crossroads.
Speaker 1: And when we started the show today, of course we
Speaker 1: talked about some of the small victories in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Of course they took a vote on Tuesday and decided
Speaker 1: and actually some of the Republicans sided with Democrats and
Speaker 1: didn't move forward in the Senate with redrawing the maps.
Speaker 5: But I mean, one of the things that you saw
Speaker 5: in South Carolina was that it was twofold one the
Speaker 5: Cinate Majority leader, Shane Massey, who we are diametrically on
Speaker 5: a pose on issues like tort reform, for example, but
Speaker 5: he is and Andrew probably knows this from having to
Speaker 5: work closely with the legislature as a mayor. He is
Speaker 5: the most shrewd adversary that you could have on the
Speaker 5: other side. He sees things for what they are. He
Speaker 5: is a traditional conservative Republican who believes in those conservative values.
Speaker 5: And so I don't question whether or not he wants
Speaker 5: South Carolina to be better. We just have different ways
Speaker 5: of getting there. Right. It's that old type of way
Speaker 5: of having political discourse and dialogue. And what he said is,
Speaker 5: he said, by going seven zero, the first thing you
Speaker 5: need to realize is when there's a Democrat in the
Speaker 5: White House or Democratic majority, we ain't gonna have nobody
Speaker 5: to pick up the phone, he said. And we need
Speaker 5: resources in South Carolina. So from a governance perspective, it
Speaker 5: makes the most sense. The second thing is we don't
Speaker 5: do mike districting reapportionment. That's just not what we do.
Speaker 5: We're not gonna sit here. It's a slippery slope. And
Speaker 5: what he recognized, he said, now we have is red now.
Speaker 5: But twenty six years ago, thirty six years ago, South
Speaker 5: Carolina was a blue state. North Carolina blue states, a
Speaker 5: lot of these states South, the whole South. People forget that.
Speaker 5: We just became the South became red in the early nineties. Right.
Speaker 5: And the last thing he said was he said, man,
Speaker 5: he got that southern in his blood. He said he's
Speaker 5: not gonna sit here. And this harkens back to the
Speaker 5: old time and what we fought a whole world over.
Speaker 5: But he said he's not gonna let the federal government
Speaker 5: come down him and bully him and tell him what
Speaker 5: to do. He does not if it's Donald Trump or
Speaker 5: whomever else. He is a Donald Trump. He supports the
Speaker 5: president of the United States. He supports a Republican president.
Speaker 5: But he was able to articulate ways. And they got
Speaker 5: seven eight Republicans along with the Democrats. And you know,
Speaker 5: I spoke to the Democratic leader and I said one thing.
Speaker 5: I said, look after Virginia, let's not play any games
Speaker 5: and game this out and say we may have access
Speaker 5: to two or three, let's take the one we know
Speaker 5: because every vote, every seat counts in November.
Speaker 1: Can I just say this, I think it's important to
Speaker 1: note the Republicans didn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a winning vote on redistricting.
Speaker 1: What they needed were two thirds of a majority to
Speaker 1: approve this to be able to proceed towards this redistricting resolution.
Speaker 1: So in a twenty nine to seventeen vote, there were
Speaker 1: five Republicans who joined with the twelve Democrats to vote
Speaker 1: to vote no, and that meant that the two thirds
Speaker 1: majority wasn't not successful. I think, Andrew, I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: to you, and then I want to go to Okay,
Speaker 1: and then for Tennessee. What I want to talk about
Speaker 1: here is you all know last week Tennessee voted to
Speaker 1: remove the only black congressional district in the state. There
Speaker 1: were protests by several members and we saw Justin Jones
Speaker 1: burning Confederate flag. We saw Justin Pearson face to face
Speaker 1: with I think it's the Sergeant at Arms or whoever
Speaker 1: their equivalent is in the House not allowing him access
Speaker 1: to the floor for that vote yesterday. Unlets please put
Speaker 1: this up, Derek. We had a letter that the Speaker
Speaker 1: of the House sent to and of course I can't
Speaker 1: read this, but I have it on my phone to send.
Speaker 2: To leaders Karen Camper.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the point is that in this letter thank you,
Speaker 1: they say that due to the actions of some of
Speaker 1: the Democratic Caucus members by the way that they're taking
Speaker 1: them off of all of their committees, all of their committees,
Speaker 1: they they sight of a blatant or a blanket.
Speaker 2: Rule from the Permanent Rules of Order of the House.
Speaker 1: I went through all thirty two pages and don't see
Speaker 1: where this cites anything. But what I want to really
Speaker 1: get into, y'all, is this moving goalpost.
Speaker 2: We go to Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Mississippi's Governor Tate Reeves said the Thursday last Thursday that
Speaker 1: he was ordering a or no the Thursday before last,
Speaker 1: a special session to redraw the congressional maps in Mississippi.
Speaker 1: On Wednesday morning, Tate Reeves says he's canceling that special
Speaker 1: session to comply with an order from uh the Court,
Speaker 1: a federal appeals court, saying that they they they vacated,
Speaker 1: they vacated an order requiring them to redraw those maps.
Speaker 1: So now Tate Reeves is in a Twitter battle with
Speaker 1: Congressman Bennie Thompson, saying it's not a matter of if,
Speaker 1: but when.
Speaker 2: So, even these victories are short lived.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court of Missouri said that they were going
Speaker 1: to uphold these maps that will take Congressman Cleaver, Emmanuel Clever,
Speaker 1: my former boss out of his old district. Congressman Andre Carson,
Speaker 1: he said he's safe for now in Indiana. What I
Speaker 1: want us to understand, y'all, because Tennessee is revisiting something
Speaker 1: they did in twenty twenty three AG we were talking
Speaker 1: about this. The Justins were expelled from the House for
Speaker 1: protesting around mass shootings. So it's not like they haven't
Speaker 1: done this before. It's not like they haven't tested the waters. Texas,
Speaker 1: of course, was a case study. And so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to what I really want to know. This was a
Speaker 1: really long setup. But what I really want to know
Speaker 1: is in this redistricting battle, are we on the right
Speaker 1: side of history to keep forging ahead, to keep pushing this.
Speaker 1: Latrina asked us if it was smart for her to
Speaker 1: vote at all because she feels so unrepresented by the
Speaker 1: people they're offering her. I know, we have videos from
Speaker 1: Congressman Clyburn and race to places, but we'll get to that,
Speaker 1: but I want to just start there with y'all.
Speaker 4: You know, just we'll quok on the question and I
Speaker 4: appreciate the question, and she evotes something in me as well.
Speaker 4: I mean, it really is the most purest way you
Speaker 4: can look at this process, right, democratic, small D democratic.
Speaker 4: I have been voting since I was eighteen. I haven't
Speaker 4: missed an election. What am I supposed to do now
Speaker 4: when the ballot has no options for me to choose
Speaker 4: to select no one who I could put in who's
Speaker 4: going to be my representative voice. I just want to
Speaker 4: remind her and anyone else who may be confronting this
Speaker 4: as part challenge, is that one there should always be
Speaker 4: a choice, and there usually is. I know, And in
Speaker 4: my part of the state, we got a lot of
Speaker 4: Republicans at nearly every other level of government than the
Speaker 4: municipal because we happen to be a blue sort of
Speaker 4: democratic Bastian. But my congress member is a right winger.
Speaker 4: I still go and I vote every every time. I
Speaker 4: don't vote for him, but I vote every time. You
Speaker 4: you still have the ability to hopefully choose a candidate
Speaker 4: who you like and are willing to support. The question
Speaker 4: is is whether or not the odds of the new
Speaker 4: district as it is designed, is such that even when
Speaker 4: all of us vote our full might for the candidate
Speaker 4: of our choice, will it be enough to overcome the
Speaker 4: Shenanigans of the Republicans and their gerrymanderin efforts. And I can't,
Speaker 4: and I don't think you can yet, and I don't
Speaker 4: I know. I cannot say how close or how far
Speaker 4: apart those numbers will ultimately end up being. When I
Speaker 4: say numbers, it's how many Democrats in the district, how
Speaker 4: many Republicans in the district, how many independence and non
Speaker 4: party affilies are in the district. Because the truth is
Speaker 4: is that right now Democrats running for congress congressional seats
Speaker 4: are closing an eighteen point twenty point gap on average
Speaker 4: between how many points how many votes the last Democrat
Speaker 4: got compared to the last Republican. And so if you're
Speaker 4: in the district that's now twelve percent more Republican, down
Speaker 4: from thirty percent. We still have a fighting chance, but
Speaker 4: we won't know that until we see the maps. I
Speaker 4: just that's a technical kind of answer, but that's the
Speaker 4: best I could offer on what do you do when
Speaker 4: you when you have a ballot that doesn't seem representative
Speaker 4: of your of your choices.
Speaker 1: Well to that point, let me, I'm just gonna I
Speaker 1: want to I want to raise this clip and then
Speaker 1: can you answer on the other side. Since Andrew brought
Speaker 1: up maps, Royce Duplessis is sitting in on the Government
Speaker 1: Affairs Committee now that Troy Carter's nephew, Gary Carter was
Speaker 1: removed or voluntarily stepped aside under the threat of removal.
Speaker 2: They were in session till four in the morning.
Speaker 1: Royce says, everybody fighting for this, you know, four to
Speaker 1: two map, the Republicans pushing and Donald Trump pushing for
Speaker 1: a six to zero map.
Speaker 2: The two Democratic.
Speaker 1: Seats in Louisiana occupied by black men, Troy Carter and
Speaker 1: Cleo Fields. They have gone back to the map that
Speaker 1: existed before Cleo won his seat. So I want to
Speaker 1: play this clip from Royce and Bakari. Please weigh in
Speaker 1: on the other side and say what you were going
Speaker 1: to say as well.
Speaker 10: Hey, so we just wrapped up. It's about four forty
Speaker 10: five in the morning. Committee just wrapped up. We started
Speaker 10: around seven o'clock and we just wrapped up. And what
Speaker 10: advanced out of the committe was a five to one map.
Speaker 10: So currently Louisiana has a four to two map. We
Speaker 10: have four Republican seats, two Democratic seats. What was advanced
Speaker 10: out of committee was a five to one map that's
Speaker 10: going to have five Republicans and one Democrat. That bill's
Speaker 10: going to move to the floor. But this this harmful
Speaker 10: bill that reduces democratic representation, Black representation. It just reduced,
Speaker 10: it just hurts representation across the board. Advanced on a
Speaker 10: four to three party line vote after hours hours of
Speaker 10: testimony against reducing this representation and against diluting the vote
Speaker 10: of people in this state. Hundreds of people showed up.
Speaker 10: Literally just one person was in support of this bill
Speaker 10: to move out of a committee. Just shameful stuff, totally
Speaker 10: anti democratic, totally disrespectful, really bad stuff. I'm gonna give
Speaker 10: y'all more of an update at some other time when
Speaker 10: the sun is up, because I need to go back
Speaker 10: inside and do something, but get some rest.
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 4: We got committee A nine thirty tomorrow.
Speaker 10: So really disappointed right now, really disappointed, But we're gonna
Speaker 10: keep pushing and look, let's stay in the fight.
Speaker 5: Man. I don't want Royce to be disappointed.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: I don't walked out of I don't walked out of
Speaker 5: the State House some nights after budgets passed. I remember
Speaker 5: one budget we took away HIV and AIDS fund adapt funding,
Speaker 5: and we had we had the most people in the
Speaker 5: country on the age drugs waiting list. And so a
Speaker 5: lot of times your state legislators, your city council people,
Speaker 5: when they're fighting a good fight, they feel like emotionally
Speaker 5: intellectually drained because you go out in spaces and you,
Speaker 5: you try to. You you serve, not just because it's
Speaker 5: a higher calling, but you have what may be the
Speaker 5: definition of insanity because you genuinely believe that what is
Speaker 5: right will prevail, and you go to work every single
Speaker 5: day echoing that if I continue to beat the drum
Speaker 5: of righteousness and justice, it will prevail. And so they
Speaker 5: always say, when you do the same thing repeatedly, over
Speaker 5: and over again with the same results, that's the definition
Speaker 5: of insanity. And so I do think it takes a
Speaker 5: level of insanity. But Royce and the people who came
Speaker 5: out and Troy Carter, and I saw the four Cleophils.
Speaker 5: I saw the four members who black members who have served,
Speaker 5: and Cedric Richmond and Elena and all of those people
Speaker 5: who did that work. They actually did preserve a black
Speaker 5: district in Louisiana. The goal was to eradicate it all.
Speaker 4: But Cali gave them the right to.
Speaker 5: In Cali, yes, gave them the right to. And I
Speaker 5: want Royce to know that his work was not in vain.
Speaker 5: And you know, we were on the opposite side of
Speaker 5: a mayorial campaign. So I hope he hears this, that
Speaker 5: it actually shows that God puts us sometimes in places
Speaker 5: where we can do the work of justice for this moment,
Speaker 5: and it appears that he is the right person, in
Speaker 5: the right place, in the right time for this moment.
Speaker 5: So that's first. I wanted to kind of talk about
Speaker 5: the why right. A lot of people, and I think
Speaker 5: the young lady who asked the question, a lot of
Speaker 5: people don't understand because they don't understand the why of
Speaker 5: what's happening. And I think when you just simply examine it,
Speaker 5: your gut is right. This redistricting is not done for
Speaker 5: any type of fairness. In democratic principles, everybody understands that
Speaker 5: when you draw lines, you're supposed to draw lines so
Speaker 5: that they're fair, so that you have districts of similar
Speaker 5: characteristics or cities of similar characteristics that share similar needs
Speaker 5: have somebody to go and represent them. This is sheer
Speaker 5: partisan power graph, and so that notion is offensive to
Speaker 5: most and they believe that that notion that they believe
Speaker 5: to be true just can't be right. It has to
Speaker 5: be something else. But in this particular case, that is
Speaker 5: it naked. No, it's naked political ambition. And if you
Speaker 5: turn the page of it. This is why I say
Speaker 5: that watching Republicans during this time is fascinating because you
Speaker 5: realize their politics are so basore because of the fact
Speaker 5: that when you have a Democratic White House or a
Speaker 5: Democratic House, and you have a six h seven zero
Speaker 5: map in the South, where you have CBDG grants, where
Speaker 5: you have poverty that is running from the top border
Speaker 5: to the southern border, when you have issues that need resources,
Speaker 5: you're going to be calling Washington, DC, and ain't nobody
Speaker 5: going to pick up the phone. Yeah, so your power
Speaker 5: graph today twenty twenty six is going to be more
Speaker 5: devastating to your constituents even in twenty twenty seven, twenty
Speaker 5: twenty eight, than you ever could imagine. Now, the last
Speaker 5: thing that I'll say is that Andrew's right being a
Speaker 5: candidate in this environment, it would suck because if you win,
Speaker 5: you have caught the proverbial submarine right, because every single
Speaker 5: day you are in a swing district, you're going to
Speaker 5: be spending more time in New York City raising money
Speaker 5: from them same billionaires that you ran against. Spending time
Speaker 5: away from your family every single day is going to
Speaker 5: be a campaign for you. So you're going to have
Speaker 5: to dedicate yourself to something totally different. And those of
Speaker 5: us who are asking Andrew or Macari sellers, are you
Speaker 5: going to run for Congress? That is literally a consideration
Speaker 5: of running in a swing district, like do you want
Speaker 5: to govern policy or do you want to spend every
Speaker 5: single day campaigning? And you got to you literally have to. However,
Speaker 5: if you answer that question, yes, we get back to
Speaker 5: the point where you do have a chance. And a
Speaker 5: lot of these than districts because although they took away
Speaker 5: the forty five fifty to fifty five percent African American,
Speaker 5: they did boost the BVAP and when then whatever we
Speaker 5: say BVAP ladies and gentlemen, that's the black voting age
Speaker 5: population for some of these districts from twelve to twenty five,
Speaker 5: twenty five to maybe thirty. And so you'll have a chance,
Speaker 5: a punch's chance doing an environment like this, and so
Speaker 5: all of those things I think matter. And I probably
Speaker 5: said a whole lot. I hope, I hope a little
Speaker 5: bit of it made sense to somebody that it's good.
Speaker 5: Nobody knows.
Speaker 1: I want us to pull back a little bit. Latrina,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Andrew, I don't know. You know me,
Speaker 1: and you get.
Speaker 2: Emotional, actually, but car gets emotional too.
Speaker 1: But it's just something about what she said and then
Speaker 1: topping that off with what Roy said that just pull
Speaker 1: on my heartstrings. And there's a question, you know, a
Speaker 1: rhetorical question that Congressman Cliburn raised in his interview with
Speaker 1: Jake Tapper that I want to play quickly and then
Speaker 1: I want really like elevate And I don't know if
Speaker 1: I should say elevate just come out of this, broaden
Speaker 1: out the conversation. So can we play that clip and
Speaker 1: then let's broaden out Well.
Speaker 11: My first reaction was, if you look at this, Evan,
Speaker 11: let's just look at South Carolina and look at the
Speaker 11: congressional district in South Carolina. Why is it okay they
Speaker 11: have a seventy five percent white district and that's not racial.
Speaker 11: If you have a forty five percent black district, that
Speaker 11: is racial. So what is this about. There's no way
Speaker 11: that the numbers bear this out. When you look at
Speaker 11: what the Supreme Coach regions had been, you have to
Speaker 11: come to the conclusion that they're throwing everything out of
Speaker 11: the window, coming up with new theories, putting in their
Speaker 11: own prejudices in this, and they're being very potesant in
Speaker 11: their rulings. I never thought I would see today that
Speaker 11: the United States kream grow would be so openly partizan
Speaker 11: with what it's been doing. And I really believe if
Speaker 11: you look at all of these decisions and you look
Speaker 11: at the history of the country, I think the Justice
Speaker 11: Roberts is going to take his place alongside some other
Speaker 11: infamous justices like Taine, who gave us the dress Scott decision.
Speaker 1: I wanted to play that because, as Bacari talked about
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, the dread Scott decision
Speaker 1: of eighteen fifty seven, the John Roberts Court decision that
Speaker 1: gutted the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five. Of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, this is the two hundred and fiftieth
Speaker 1: anniversary that some celebrate of this country. It will be
Speaker 1: on July fourth, seventeen seventy six, and it is time
Speaker 1: for us to come to the alter call of justice,
Speaker 1: to really determine if this is a country a place
Speaker 1: that holds space for us, not just for us to
Speaker 1: vote in a fighter for the sake of preserving the record,
Speaker 1: or for the sake of preserving history, or for the
Speaker 1: sake of you know, leading the resistance, but is there
Speaker 1: space for us to actually be the builders that we've
Speaker 1: been from its foundation in sixteen nineteen, and to get
Speaker 1: the credit for it and the space in it to thrive,
Speaker 1: not just to barely survive, not just you know, for
Speaker 1: another fight. I was telling you guys on the call
Speaker 1: earlier that I spoke to the Laura Miller Bar Association,
Speaker 1: which is our Black Bar, and what was on me
Speaker 1: what my speech was called, the nation is on fire.
Speaker 1: And I harken back to, you know, Professor Ogletree coming
Speaker 1: to speak to us at the Nabalsa convention, and he
Speaker 1: talked about our houses on fire, and Doctor King in
Speaker 1: a conversation with Harry Belafonte said something else. For her context,
Speaker 1: Charles Ogletree spoke to us in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Doctor King was having the house on fire conversation in
Speaker 1: the sixties with Harry Belafonte. This is what he said.
Speaker 1: I've come upon something that disturbs me deeply. We have
Speaker 1: fought hard and longed for integration, as I believe we
Speaker 1: should have, and I know we will win, but I
Speaker 1: have come to believe that we are integrating into a
Speaker 1: burning house. I'm afraid that America has lost the moral
Speaker 1: vision she may have had and I'm afraid that even
Speaker 1: as we integrate, we are walking into a place that
Speaker 1: does not understand that this nation needs to be deeply
Speaker 1: concerned with the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. Until
Speaker 1: we commit ourselves to ensuring that the underclass has given
Speaker 1: justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger
Speaker 1: and violence that tears the soul of this nation. I
Speaker 1: fear I am integrating my people into a burning house.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and one that's one that has fuel being
Speaker 4: actively thrown on the flame right now. You know, when
Speaker 4: I think about some of the acts that these members
Speaker 4: of the state legislatures have taken just recently in the
Speaker 4: states that we identify as a small win because they
Speaker 4: decided not to completely and utterly bankrupt democracy in their
Speaker 4: state for now, for now, is that I'm surprised that
Speaker 4: none of them made the argument of just the self
Speaker 4: preservation and reputation of their state. These are Southern states,
Speaker 4: most of which are at the bottom of the charts
Speaker 4: on nearly every indicator that directs to whether or not
Speaker 4: you're going to have a thriving health, educational job, economic
Speaker 4: workforce slash community worth living in. And when you don't
Speaker 4: have representative voices that speak to the deepest of the
Speaker 4: needs of the people in your state, and you start
Speaker 4: to tumble even further down than where you are, if
Speaker 4: you didn't already think you were at the bottom. What
Speaker 4: multinational corporation decides to relocate into a city or a
Speaker 4: state that is literally on fire, that's burning down because
Speaker 4: you have now suppressed, removed, suffocated the voices of the people,
Speaker 4: ignored their needs, and now you've got streets that are uninhabited,
Speaker 4: neighborhoods that are uninhabitable, schools that are uninhabitable, no jobs,
Speaker 4: and so people are walking around shiftless. This is what
Speaker 4: they are inviting if they were to just to take
Speaker 4: your term, Angela, just pull back and recognize that this
Speaker 4: is a self defeating mission they are on. They think
Speaker 4: they're doing it despite our noses. That's what they think
Speaker 4: they're chopping off. These folks are going to see that
Speaker 4: they have led the actions that they are taking under
Speaker 4: the insatiable thirst and hunger for power and their obsession
Speaker 4: with it, that they are literally throwing their states over
Speaker 4: the cliff. You can't keep a people who have something
Speaker 4: to say silent for perpetuity. It's like a boiling pot.
Speaker 4: It may simmer for a while, but it will get
Speaker 4: too hot and it will boil over. And when it
Speaker 4: boils over, it's going to be bad for everybody. Everybody,
Speaker 4: So don't do it for my sake. If you actually
Speaker 4: care about the places that you are elected or selected
Speaker 4: or appointed to represent, and you recognize also that the
Speaker 4: house is burning down, don't throw kerosene on the fire.
Speaker 4: Figure out a way to abort mission. Pull up, Maverick,
Speaker 4: you are flying too close to the sun. You'll get burned, yeah,
Speaker 4: and eviscerated. It's just I don't I don't mean to
Speaker 4: take this to a place where it didn't mean to go.
Speaker 4: But these are if I'm a black man, Yes I'm
Speaker 4: in the South, I'm all those things. But if I'm
Speaker 4: just to pull back as a person who cares about
Speaker 4: and loves where I live, and I do, then you
Speaker 4: have to at some point say, is this in the
Speaker 4: best interest for the future of my my children? Yeah,
Speaker 4: my family, my neighborhood, my schools, my roads and infrastructure
Speaker 4: and public parks, and it is just really in the
Speaker 4: interest of it. And I think if anyone who searches
Speaker 4: themselves and shouldn't take long, you should conclude pretty quickly,
Speaker 4: this is a bad deal, period. Angela. To the question
Speaker 4: of whether we aboard mission, unfortunately, I think under the
Speaker 4: conditions and under the systems by which we operate, and
Speaker 4: given the fact that, as you say, and hopefully profitably,
Speaker 4: that we built this joint for free, they need to go.
Speaker 4: They need to go.
Speaker 2: He said, get the hell out of my country. I'm
Speaker 2: just do not come.
Speaker 1: My favorite line, she knows I want a T shirt.
Speaker 1: That's my girl too.
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is is we have we are so
Speaker 4: deeply vested in these places. We have built these places,
Speaker 4: We've strengthened these places. We have bent that moral compass.
Speaker 4: We've been that we are that. Why should we vacate?
Speaker 4: Why should we have to absorb ourselves? No, I know
Speaker 4: that wasn't your suggestion.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I have a follow up. Well, because here's
Speaker 1: the question. What I appreciate. There's a an account on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Their hope is not AI. But it was really good.
Speaker 1: I actually stayed at reading. They had like ten pages
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 4: Learned it from us.
Speaker 1: Okay, but it's called black art matters with two s's,
Speaker 1: and what they what they do so artfully in this
Speaker 1: piece that I really appreciate because becr you know, from
Speaker 1: our pre production car yesterday, I was on some I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the house burned down to ashes.
Speaker 2: We just need to go over and build something else.
Speaker 2: I'm not beyond that.
Speaker 1: By the way, I do think that we're in the
Speaker 1: ash of the thing. I don't think that there's even
Speaker 1: a structure left, like not even the frame. But they
Speaker 1: say that integration was a double edged sword essentially, right,
Speaker 1: there are things that we got that we benefited from integration,
Speaker 1: like a better hospitals, you know, better schools, better access
Speaker 1: to you know, a wider range of educational possibility, better
Speaker 1: paying jobs not the best, so you know, there's still
Speaker 1: a lot of work to go there. But what we
Speaker 1: lost in that process was all of our institutions. And
Speaker 1: sometimes even when we didn't seek integration and we had
Speaker 1: all of our own institutions, they still burned those down.
Speaker 1: They found reasons to destroy our ability to be self reliant.
Speaker 2: And so the question really is do we continue down
Speaker 2: that dual track? Is that what is required of us?
Speaker 1: Because I don't think that we can totally secede, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say, like, let's be the black Confederacy, right,
Speaker 1: But I do wonder Andrew not like hmm, actually that
Speaker 1: might be a good idea, but like, what is our
Speaker 1: path for y'all?
Speaker 2: We're tired?
Speaker 8: We fight.
Speaker 2: Not only are we fighting the fight, fighting the fight.
Speaker 1: Of our ancestors, we're fighting the fight we already won.
Speaker 1: We have to go back and redo this because we
Speaker 1: didn't do as Reverend Jackson said or Jesse Junior said,
Speaker 1: the constitutional amendment was required for y'all to do the
Speaker 1: right thing. You got to have a constitutional amendment guardrail
Speaker 1: because a legislative action isn't sufficient.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, that's just too that's a lot.
Speaker 5: So to answer your question kind of plainly and bluntly, Yeah,
Speaker 5: be blunt, like I don't think we I don't. The
Speaker 5: three of us ain't got no choice. We ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 5: We can't go nowhere. And the reason that we ain't no, no,
Speaker 5: ain't we no because we have lived, we have lived
Speaker 5: a life where our loved ones have paid too much
Speaker 5: for me to abandon this journey. Now you know what
Speaker 5: is it? He brought me too far?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So like I know how you think, I know
Speaker 5: how you feel, Angela, I slept with you. I went
Speaker 5: to bail yesterday at six o'clock. I was tired. I
Speaker 5: slept with your question because I understood it, and a
Speaker 5: lot of times you one of the things I'm trying
Speaker 5: to be better at is not discarding people's genuine intellectual curiosity.
Speaker 5: And I came to the resolve that we don't have
Speaker 5: a choice because of all of the effort, time, energy, blood, sacrifice,
Speaker 5: pain that people have put into this struggle to make
Speaker 5: this country a more perfect union. She not that right.
Speaker 5: And also, we also took for granted many of the
Speaker 5: achievements that were garnered by so much death, devastation and
Speaker 5: brutality around us. We took for granted the Voting Rights Act,
Speaker 5: we took for granted the Civil Rights Act, we took
Speaker 5: for granted the Fairhousing Act. There are not the three
Speaker 5: of us, because we have our own beefs and quarrels
Speaker 5: and qualms. However, there are a lot of us who said,
Speaker 5: when Barack Obama got elected, we rested on our laurels
Speaker 5: and said, we have proverbably made it. This is the mountaintop.
Speaker 5: And then we had opportunities throughout the pendency of our
Speaker 5: life to preserve a democracy, which we didn't necessarily understand
Speaker 5: was fragile and made some choices, calculations and votes which
Speaker 5: proved to be devastating. Now, the analogy is Donald Trump
Speaker 5: is a bull in a china shop. The unique part
Speaker 5: about that, however, is when that bull leaves that china shop,
Speaker 5: that china is forever broken. You cannot glue China back together,
Speaker 5: simply cannot. It's forever damaged. And so the first thing
Speaker 5: we have to do is reimagine what democracy in this
Speaker 5: country should look like. And we have to literally spend
Speaker 5: time reimagining what these systems should look like that treat
Speaker 5: us as full citizens, and not only treat us as
Speaker 5: full citizens, but make sure that we have the ability
Speaker 5: to thrive in these systems, each one of them individually.
Speaker 5: We need to re examine that and reimagine that and
Speaker 5: figure out from a very very a very very just
Speaker 5: fundamental level of making sure that we are part of
Speaker 5: this participatory democracy right and it starts right here in
Speaker 5: our own houses. It starts with raising good humans. It
Speaker 5: starts with making sure that we are doing the sub
Speaker 5: precinct work, that we're organizing again, that we're listening to
Speaker 5: communities again, that we are participating in school board meetings
Speaker 5: and local city council meetings, and we're making sure that
Speaker 5: people run for office all of the offices, not just
Speaker 5: the ones that get you on YouTube or get you
Speaker 5: on Twitter, or when you lose the race, may get
Speaker 5: you on cable TV. But making sure that we have
Speaker 5: people doing the good work. It means that our institutions,
Speaker 5: which are flailing many times, whether or not you're talking
Speaker 5: about our civic organizations, that means being a part of
Speaker 5: these institutions, not just being a part of them, but
Speaker 5: trying to redefine them from the inside, becoming a life
Speaker 5: member of the NAACP. And then challenging Derek where you
Speaker 5: want him to be challenged. You know, I think he
Speaker 5: does a good job. But if you want something different,
Speaker 5: if you want leadership to look different, then challenge it.
Speaker 5: Going to your church, going to the black church. Don't
Speaker 5: be afraid, but don't come empty handed either. Make sure
Speaker 5: you're putting your resources and your time and your treasure
Speaker 5: where your mouth is. Stop just calling bullshit out from
Speaker 5: the sidelines and get in the game.
Speaker 12: Who cares about truth when the last morning's seen it?
Speaker 5: And also, at the end of the day, I think Andrew,
Speaker 5: you have been talking about this a lot more frequently
Speaker 5: over the last six months, Angelib but Andrew's been talking
Speaker 5: about it for a while. We have to do a
Speaker 5: better job of taking care of ourselves because too many
Speaker 5: of our soldiers are dying. Too many young people are
Speaker 5: dying because of the stresses that this world has caused
Speaker 5: and put upon us, because of the environments that we
Speaker 5: live in. And there's a direct correlation between the insanity
Speaker 5: that we go through our mental health and then living
Speaker 5: in a food desert where you don't have access to
Speaker 5: fresh fruits and vegetables, and so you die. And wonder
Speaker 5: why people at forty four years old are having massive
Speaker 5: strokes or heart attacks. And so I think all of
Speaker 5: these things are necessary, and we cannot we cannot cannot
Speaker 5: resort to the Messiah complex that some of us do
Speaker 5: so often, which is sit back and try to wait
Speaker 5: for the next great Messiah. I think that that power
Speaker 5: is within all of us, and a lot of times,
Speaker 5: the last thing that I'll say is we take for
Speaker 5: granted our successes so far, but we also don't fully
Speaker 5: comprehend the power that is within all of us that
Speaker 5: Donald Trump can't take away.
Speaker 4: I love all of that, and I just I say,
Speaker 4: Book Curry, I want to thank you and Angela thank
Speaker 4: you for the topic, because it has caused me to
Speaker 4: sit back and think about some things a little differently.
Speaker 4: And one of those things is is I definitely took
Speaker 4: for granted how much that operates in our society from
Speaker 4: day to day that were not legally codified. They were
Speaker 4: norms and traditions and the ways in which you treat
Speaker 4: people respectability, you know, like all the things that Donald
Speaker 4: Trump has upset in this system. I kept being like,
Speaker 4: there's got to be a law for this. I know
Speaker 4: they've got this somewhere into this and this and that,
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh no, no, no, they know that
Speaker 4: doesn't exist in writing legally codified for us to then
Speaker 4: be able to claw back what he has taken out
Speaker 4: and worse over, because his co conspirators, the majority of
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court, are in cahoots with him as they
Speaker 4: all realize their version or their vision for the beloved
Speaker 4: white supremacist society that they want to live in. The
Speaker 4: rest of us out here on the struggle bus trying
Speaker 4: to figure out where we're all. Where are all of
Speaker 4: these ironclad promises and safeguards that were supposed to kick
Speaker 4: in the gear when a tyrant showed up. And they
Speaker 4: don't exist under the cover of the law. They exist
Speaker 4: in traditions and the good will that we extend to
Speaker 4: our neighbor that when given the opportunity to do the
Speaker 4: right thing or the wrong thing to each other, you'll
Speaker 4: choose to do the right thing. When you're a leader.
Speaker 4: That's not the default position. And if I had to
Speaker 4: argue it, that's never been the default disposition of leaders
Speaker 4: in this country. They don't just choose to do the
Speaker 4: right thing, they're forced to do it. When they do it,
Speaker 4: they're forced oftentimes. I certainly consider this for the opposition
Speaker 4: oftentimes because some of the things that I think when
Speaker 4: you said re envisioning this democracy, I remember the legislative
Speaker 4: agenda for so many civil rights organizations reading the same
Speaker 4: way from year to year to year on a couple
Speaker 4: of fronts. One was about voting rights, another was around
Speaker 4: establishing our citizenship beyond. Another was around what we do
Speaker 4: to further clarify and law the Voting Rights Act so
Speaker 4: that the courts were not left you wonder, not interpret,
Speaker 4: but to wonder and create new law from the bench,
Speaker 4: which is what I believe they've done in these most
Speaker 4: recent cases, but they are given verse line, paragraph sentence.
Speaker 4: What the lawmakers mean when they say the Voting Rights
Speaker 4: Acting who is to have access based off of this?
Speaker 4: Is that in the third and unfortunately, we had a
Speaker 4: sixty vote Democrat majority in the US Senate, we had
Speaker 4: a a House under democratic control and a White House
Speaker 4: under democratic control. No longer can we afford to flout
Speaker 4: those kinds of winds and fail to do the most
Speaker 4: basic of responsibilities that we have to ensuring our democracy
Speaker 4: and the protection of the people who got you there,
Speaker 4: because none of those protections exist even after a sixty plus.
Speaker 4: We had sixty one, and then Kennedy died, and then
Speaker 4: we lost that seat to the due who ran against them,
Speaker 4: I mean, ran to replace him out of Massachusetts. And
Speaker 4: so Democrats are now having to be called for higher purpose.
Speaker 4: I don't care about you, don't call me, don't I
Speaker 4: no solicitation. Just state your plan and make it plain.
Speaker 4: I'm not reveled by what Trump did and said, and
Speaker 4: da da da da da da da. You got to
Speaker 4: get serious about the business of governing and securing our
Speaker 4: freedoms and the power, the little bit of power that
Speaker 4: we are able to claw back. Otherwise, y'all, we're gonna
Speaker 4: be right back in the same place or worse.
Speaker 2: And I think you know on that.
Speaker 1: The fact that we are back in the same place,
Speaker 1: to me begs the question. And i'd ask you all
Speaker 1: at home to consider what is left of the structure
Speaker 1: of the house. Is it the frame? Is it smoldering ashes,
Speaker 1: is it some that were in between? And what do
Speaker 1: we build in it? To absence? I will receive everything
Speaker 1: be said about, you know, our ancestors, our forefathers, our
Speaker 1: own mothers and fathers, and all of the investment they've
Speaker 1: made into this country, whether on a micro level or
Speaker 1: on a macro level, those contributions all matter. But I
Speaker 1: do think it's nation building time for us. I really do.
Speaker 1: And I'll use this to transition in the calls to action.
Speaker 1: I want you all to really think about where we are.
Speaker 1: I want you to think about what their floor is,
Speaker 1: because their floor is not drawing your voice out of
Speaker 1: a congressional district. They haven't gotten the state legislative districts yet,
Speaker 1: but that's coming. Their floor is not expelling your representatives
Speaker 1: that you voted for from the House or the Senate
Speaker 1: or removing them off of committees. Their floor is not
Speaker 1: taking away affirmative action. Their floor is not gutting the
Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act, killing it completely. Their floor is not
Speaker 1: removing access to health care. Their floor is not cutting
Speaker 1: SNAP benefits by which Alabamaans right now have lost Snap
Speaker 1: benefits to the tune of hundreds of thousands of people,
Speaker 1: or at least one hundred thousand people. What is their
Speaker 1: floor If their floor is not just starving us, it's
Speaker 1: not just killing us, it's not just silencing us. What
Speaker 1: is their floor? And once we figure out what the
Speaker 1: floor is, we know where our fight begins, what the
Speaker 1: real resistance efforts are, what the real advocacy efforts are,
Speaker 1: what our demands are, what our Freedom Party looks like,
Speaker 1: and then we can talk about the mountaintop. At the
Speaker 1: end of the speech that Charles Ogletree gave to us
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, he says, the reason we
Speaker 1: sing swing Low, Sweet Chariot is because our people are
Speaker 1: not in the mountains. What does it take for us
Speaker 1: to climb the mountain and get to the top. That's
Speaker 1: my question for you on I'm gonna stop here because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry. I'm nine suposed to go first. It's
Speaker 1: my week. I'm sorry, guys, but.
Speaker 2: Awful for Andrew.
Speaker 5: No. I mean I think that we need to revisit
Speaker 5: and lean on faith. I think we need to lean
Speaker 5: on our history. I think we need to lean on
Speaker 5: our strength, and at the end of the day, I
Speaker 5: think we need to lean on each other. Because one
Speaker 5: of the things that I recognize about this moment is,
Speaker 5: you know, I had a long week this week too,
Speaker 5: Lord at Mercy. I've been in the eye of the
Speaker 5: bull's eye all we long. But I realized that the
Speaker 5: people who reach out to you, the people that pray
Speaker 5: for you, the people that you see that give you
Speaker 5: the nod or the you know you keep going, those
Speaker 5: are the people that are going to help us get
Speaker 5: to that parobial mountaintop. And so lean on your brother
Speaker 5: and sister, lean on your faith, lean on our history.
Speaker 5: Know that we've been here before, We've been in this
Speaker 5: nay here before, and we emerged victorious. I truly believe
Speaker 5: we'll find that victory again.
Speaker 4: I'm a triple down on this theme. I think we're
Speaker 4: in is the salvation. What will carry us through, is
Speaker 4: what has always carried us through, and it is each other.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm never going to forget Minneapolis as a
Speaker 4: turning point in the crucible. It is terrible that lives
Speaker 4: had to be laid down, but we prevailed in what
Speaker 4: felt like the darkest of night. And look what may
Speaker 4: have been staved off for a lot of other places,
Speaker 4: and a lot of other black places, frankly, that were
Speaker 4: listed and targeted as the up next. So I do
Speaker 4: believe that righteous people will prevail. The other thing is
Speaker 4: is we have been here before, but also we haven't
Speaker 4: each Each battles may look very similar, even what is
Speaker 4: that debate? What is that argument? Looks very similar sometimes,
Speaker 4: but God had to take us to the first learning
Speaker 4: so that we could spot more clearly what needed to
Speaker 4: change the next learning time around. And we wouldn't have
Speaker 4: known the thing that needed to be changed the second
Speaker 4: time around or the third time around if it weren't
Speaker 4: for the time that preceded the battle that you're in
Speaker 4: right now. So they are similar. For sure, we have
Speaker 4: the grit and we know that we got the composition
Speaker 4: to bear what will be required. But each one of
Speaker 4: these lessons is a different lesson. Each one of the battles,
Speaker 4: the derivative of it, there is what will result is
Speaker 4: going to be another thing, another notch, and then we'll
Speaker 4: find ourselves back in war and it will look similar.
Speaker 4: But the thing we we'll be fighting for then will
Speaker 4: be the next rung that takes us higher. It'll be
Speaker 4: the next thing that takes us higher. I say that
Speaker 4: to say I don't want us to be disillusion that
Speaker 4: we're always fighting the same fight. It isn't always the
Speaker 4: same fight is a familiar fight and a familiar battery
Speaker 4: of things that come at us. But the body and
Speaker 4: the soul and the spirit needs that familiarity. But the
Speaker 4: fight is actually going to be different because we're trying
Speaker 4: to climb a new rung. We're trying to move to
Speaker 4: a new level, and so we have to stay in
Speaker 4: the fight. We have to stay in the game. I'm
Speaker 4: not beyond the fact that systems have to change, some
Speaker 4: need to be leveled. When we win back administrations, we
Speaker 4: must be more strategic in our demands. You showing up
Speaker 4: at my church is never enough, but it absolutely will
Speaker 4: not suffice. So we can do this. We will do this,
Speaker 4: and the thing that will sustain us will be what
Speaker 4: always has and it's been us and the God in
Speaker 4: us that has allowed us to exist and persist through
Speaker 4: the next battle.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks, brothers. I always appreciate your calls to action.
Speaker 1: Andrew and McCrary, I have one more. Don't be mad,
Speaker 1: but it's so important, you know what. We are in
Speaker 1: the middle of the fight of our lives with this
Speaker 1: redistricting battle, and that is why we're going to Montgomery
Speaker 1: this weekend. Of course, Alabama has its primary elections on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: but this Saturday, for all roads lead to the South,
Speaker 1: we are joining each other, lockstep arm in arm to
Speaker 1: say not on our watch.
Speaker 2: We're going to have a rally and cry. This is
Speaker 2: the first of many.
Speaker 1: On Saturday, at one pm Central in Montgomery, Alabama, was saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're standing together. We're standing united. We will fight back.
Speaker 1: We might be tired, but together we are mighty, and
Speaker 1: we will ensure that you respect our voices and our votes.
Speaker 1: Right now, the governor's calling for a special election in August.
Speaker 1: You will see the names of Terry Sewell and Shamari
Speaker 1: figures on the ballots in Alabama. You will see Cleo
Speaker 1: Phil's and Troy Carter's names on the ballot in Louisiana.
Speaker 2: That's election day in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: We want to make sure that they understand that our
Speaker 1: votes are nothing to play with. We don't just call
Speaker 1: another election. We're calling for our representatives to be heard
Speaker 1: and to be seated, for the Supreme Court to not
Speaker 1: undermine the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five, and
Speaker 1: that is exactly what they've done in the last few days.
Speaker 2: But we are all coming together.
Speaker 1: Hears some powerful voices on that stage this Saturday in Montgomery, Alabama,
Speaker 1: and you will also be in the space with some
Speaker 1: powerful advocates on the ground, and so we want you
Speaker 1: to come organized together. The most important thing we can
Speaker 1: say to each other in this hour is you are
Speaker 1: not alone. So turn to your neighbor, tell them to
Speaker 1: write on down with you to Montgomery if you're not
Speaker 1: in Alabama, and make sure that you come get refueled
Speaker 1: for the fight. The fight continues, and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see you all there in Montgomery this weekend.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask y'all for a personal call to
Speaker 1: action for our show. I really want us to consider
Speaker 1: a nation on fire like town Hall series, because I
Speaker 1: think that it gives us an opportunity to build not
Speaker 1: just with our listeners, but other community members the vision
Speaker 1: and the reimagining that we deserve to your point, Andrew,
Speaker 1: so I hope that we'll consider that, especially in this
Speaker 1: hour that run right now.
Speaker 5: The only way that I'll do it is if we
Speaker 5: make sure that we're not in I want to go.
Speaker 5: I want to go out where the people at. I
Speaker 5: don't want to be in the city of Atlanta, per se.
Speaker 5: I want to be in making you know, I don't
Speaker 5: want to be in Miami. I want to be I
Speaker 5: don't know, somewhere else that the people necessarily don't always
Speaker 5: get to touch. So let's keep that in mind as
Speaker 5: we as we plan that. But I'm down. I want
Speaker 5: to go where the people are.
Speaker 4: I Appreci'll remind you when we come to it and
Speaker 4: you complain about you can't fly into and can't get
Speaker 4: in and out.
Speaker 2: Of that's wrong.
Speaker 4: Remind you, thank you we can fly in and out of.
Speaker 2: Andrew, thank you for contextualizing.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it whatever, just make sure we can.
Speaker 1: Just I'm glad you can textualize his demands with practicality,
Speaker 1: but I do. I'm really really grateful for you all
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