WEBVTT - Jon Stinchcomb on Saints Podcast | April 4, 2025 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.799 Welcome in to the New Orleans Saints Podcast, present a 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.560 buy Seacake. You'll hear from players, coaches, broadcasters and writers 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.680 that cover the NFL on a daily basis. The New 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:25.080 Orleans Saints Podcast starts right now. Here's your host, Aaron Summers. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.720 We're back on the New Orleans Saints Podcast, building towards 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.320 the NFL Draft April twenty fourth through twenty six and 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.680 for those that need a refresher on the free agency 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.519 and roster moves the Saints already have made, you can 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.240 tune into our free agency recap show on New Orleans 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.839 Saints dot com and on the Gulf Coast Sports and 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:48.040 Entertainment Network with myself and John de Chaser. For today's podcast, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.680 it's all about the big guys upfront offensive lineman and 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.480 for a breakdown of this year's prospects, let's bring in 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.320 Saints legend John stinchcom. John, thanks for joining me on 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.600 the New Orleans Saints Podcast. It's it's good to talk 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.160 to you at this point of the year. Usually it's 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.120 around the start of the Saints season, but man, we're 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.039 early on in things, getting ready for the draft. How 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:09.360 are you? 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.839 I'm great and it is an exciting time of the year. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.679 I think there's a hope springs eternal for every team. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.200 So you start off with a clean slate and get 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.200 to add some fun pieces, and with the draft coming up, 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.560 that's exciting for everybody. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.959 I don't know if offensive linemen really get the people 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.680 going no events, but the Saints definitely. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.080 Well hold on, what do you mean, go with fence, Aaron, 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.000 That's like, with all due respect, and then you just 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.520 take whatever shot you want. Okay, I'm sorry, we don't 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:39.760 get people fired up. I got it. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.880 Hey, you were a great one and we appreciate you. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.680 Last year, though, the Saints did knock one out of 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.720 the park with Talisa Fluaga and their first pick of 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:53.080 the draft. Last year, there was six tackles that went 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:57.000 in the first round, so it was definitely a popular pick. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.320 This year, how many you think are going It'll be interesting. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.800 I think you look at it and there is a 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:09.279 separation between the top talent that you deserves those early consideration, 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:14.040 let's call it. But I also think this, I think 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.720 there's you know, with the Saints having a top ten pick, 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.640 there's really, in my opinion, only four position groups that 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.600 are worthy of that sort of investment on the offensive 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.920 side of the all obviously quarterback and then offensive tackle. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.320 I think those are difference makers. And then defensively, you're 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.400 looking at it and you either want to get a 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.640 lockdown corner like we've been able to find in years past, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.760 or somebody who can pressure the quarterbacks on an edge rusher. So, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.400 in my opinion, those are kind of the four positions 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:53.000 that are deserving of that top ten consideration. And I 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:57.240 think there's a number of players that could help not 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.800 only the Saints team, but any team. And when you 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.680 have that top ten pick, you want it to be 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.160 an impact on your organization for years and years to come. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.600 When you're looking at offensive linemen and the prospects, what 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.800 are some of the things that you're keyed in on 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.400 when you're what And I'm sure it varies by position 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:18.360 on the line as well. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.600 Yeah, absolutely so tackle specifically. I mean, you want somebody 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.640 that can do both, that is athletic enough to where 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.840 you're not worried about facing some of the you know, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.200 these speed demons coming off the edge. You're going to 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.679 face the Mica Parsons of the world, and the Boss 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.600 and the Watts, and so you need somebody who can move. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.360 And then the way the direction this game has moved, 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.520 it's you've got to be able to run the ball now. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.240 So somebody who can, who can generate that power, create 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.280 something some of that vertical separation that you see, and 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.920 operate in space. That's not an easy combo to find 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:59.280 in players, especially somebody that's ready made and can jump 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.000 right in. And like you said, I think you hit 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.320 a home run last year and finding for Waga. Who 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.120 fits that bill. He's athletic enough, and you saw the 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.320 development of him and his game throughout the season of Yes, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.120 he can move, he's super athletic, and you also saw 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.440 the power that he generates. So that's the type player 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.960 that you're looking for when you're trying to draft someone, 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:24.920 not only in the first round, but I think there's 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.560 an even higher bar to clear when you're looking at 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:28.360 a top ten pick. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.080 Okay, So with Will Campbell at the combine and the 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.839 whole scrupancy around his arm length, how big of a 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.000 deal is that? 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.760 Yeah, I think it's laughable. I mean there's guys in 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.640 the past who're worried about their hand size and all 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.599 these things, and turn on the film. Can he player? 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.880 Can he not, And Will's played in the SEC for 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.479 a number of years now against the very best. The 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.760 same guys that he's going to face were similar at 0:04:55.760 --> 0:05:00.599 this next level and did so in a very respect manner. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.920 So am I worried that, you know, it's half an 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:08.040 inch shorter than others, No, I'm not. I think you 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.120 watch him play and you see his athleticism and it 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:15.200 jumps out off the film, and I'm sure at the 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.760 State of Louisiana would be thrilled to keep one of 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.280 their own right there in the backyard. So I'm sure 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:26.240 there's internal pressures just to at least consider walking down 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:26.719 that path. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.599 He stepped on campus there and won the starting job 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.960 at left tackle as a true freshman, played three years 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.120 there and did very well. I was looking at some 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.320 of the analysis of his game and someone said that 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.440 he's not a dominant destroyer at point of attack. Can 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.880 you explain exactly what that means? 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.120 Yeah, so he's not one of those physical malers. I 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.719 think Makai Beckton when he was coming out, the guy 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.040 was three seventy five. So you turn on his film 0:05:55.440 --> 0:06:00.320 and he's truly mashing people, and that's not Will game. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.920 Will's athletick. He moves really well. You see him stay 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:09.640 in position in pass protection, and you know that's more 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.880 his game. He's not one of those guys that once 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.120 he gets his hands on you, he's just going to 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.000 run you twelve yards and dump folks. So I don't 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.640 know if that's a necessity, if that's what you're looking for, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.200 if that's the type offense that you plan on running, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:27.080 he's probably not your guy. But he's a very capable 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.880 run blocker. You see him sustained blocks, you see him 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.400 get in the right position and run his feet, And 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.440 although you don't see that drive from Malers that fit 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.120 that bill. I think he offers that balance that folks 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:46.039 are looking for in the ability to be successful in 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.280 both pass protection and the run game. So not the 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:54.279 Maller type. That's that's not his mo and for most systems, 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:55.120 it doesn't need to. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.320 Be on the left side in general. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.080 Well, I mean that's where we've seeing him most recently. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:06.000 I think you look at his player profile and probably 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:10.360 projects best at left tackle. In my opinion, I'm biased. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.920 Aaron I spent most of my time in the NFL 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.640 at right tackle, but I think because of the way 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:20.800 the game has evolved. There's equal ask whether it's left 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.560 side or right side. It used to be you know, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.000 your right side is your more powerful player. Your right 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.600 tackle and your left tackles you're more athletic. Blind side 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.040 of the quarterback I think that's the biggest misused term 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.520 in all of sports, if I'm going to be candid 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.000 with you, because the backside of a quarterback is away 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.640 from where he's looking, so you know, it's usually to 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.400 the to the strength of the field, the strength of 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.960 the formation, that the wide side of the field. So 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.960 if you're on the left hash, guess where the eyes 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.080 of the quarterback are. You're to his right, So that 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.680 makes it the left tackle. Guess what. We don't just 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.760 play on the left hash anymore. You know, it's you 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.160 go to that right hash. You're looking over to the 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.920 left side of the formation and the backside the blind 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.040 side of the quarterbacks on his right. So yeah, sorry, soapbox, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.320 you got me up there, Aaron, But Will's an athletic guy. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.440 He could play either side. I mean, obviously there is 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.680 its easiest to project at left tackle, but that's the 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.480 same thing with Fuaga, a guy who could, in my opinion, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.720 play either easily, and he made that transition pretty seamlessly. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.440 He was a guy who would come out as a 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.400 right tackle and was able to shift over. So that 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.040 seems to be a forgotten conversation this time of year 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.440 when you're comparing it to Will Could he play right? 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.480 Could he play elsewhere? He's an athletic guy that moves 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.800 well in space and is more than functional in the 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.439 run game, So, in my opinion, could project either side. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.880 It seems like in speaking to Will Camble after LSU's 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.200 Pro Day, he said that most teams are still looking 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.719 at him as a tackle and a couple maybe at 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.080 guard because that's there need. But it's it did seem 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.120 like he wanted to play tackle. Why, Like, what's the 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.120 biggest the biggest difference is it ego thing? Like why 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.839 these guys think that they got to hold down the corners? 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.920 Yeah, I think the ask is different. I think I 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.400 think you have to be a little more dynamic at 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.640 tackle than you do at guard. I think the ask 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.440 is depending on the system. You're playing in a much 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.800 more confined space. On the end, you're looking for more power. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.400 You talk about you know, I want somebody who can 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.959 move folks on the interior. I played next to Jare 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.320 Evans and the other guard was Pearl Nicks. So you 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.760 talk about two big humans that can take some of 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.560 the giants in this world and dump them seven yards. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.760 They were capable of doing that. I think that's kind 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.200 of what you're looking for in a profile of a guard, 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:53.400 whereas at tackle you need to be more athletic and dynamic, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.800 and I think that fits Will's game better. I think 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.800 there's probably some systems that could move him into guard 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:05.319 and want that lateral mobility that he offers, But for 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.000 just the way he plays, I think he's a more 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.760 natural tackle than he is a guard. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.880 Is somebody that I've seen slated as either is Texas 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.600 Calvin Banks. I mean, he's another person that's been talked 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.720 about as one of the top offensive linemen in this 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.319 draft here. What are your thoughts on him? 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.960 Yeah, so you got the big three right Obviously, Kevin 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.880 Banks is one of those guys where he's built different 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:35.160 than Will, a much thicker lower half, he plays a 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.960 little more power, he's got a little more solid base 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.560 to him. To me, that's a guy who would project 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.199 as an either. I think you could move him into 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.960 guard and still have that power position, let him play 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:52.360 and confined spaces, and his game would probably transfer to 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:57.680 either for most systems better than Wills would, just because 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.560 Will's I think Will's athletics is higher on the chart 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.360 than than Banks is, but Banks probably has more power. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.040 And you know, it depends on what you're what you're 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.319 looking to get and how you're looking to fill needs 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.160 and fit them in. Usually with that first round, you 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.680 know there's such great value there that they can project 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.120 to a number of different ways of helping your team. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.920 And both those guys fit that bill all right. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.240 Some other names we should be looking at as the 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:27.160 draft moves. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.200 Down, Well, yea mimboo, right, mimbo how we pronounced that? 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:35.680 Missouri another another great player. You watch him move and 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.240 to me, he's kind of that tweeer of of he's 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.520 got an athleticism athletic profile similar to Wills, but probably 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.080 not as high. And then he's also got the power 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.080 like Banks, but not as high. So kind of that 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.800 hybrid of the two. Uh and and I think they 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.200 have separated themselves as to in the consideration of some 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.800 of those first linemen taken. You look at depth of 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.119 this draft, and I think it's probably deeper on the inside. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.880 I think there's more guards available in this draft than 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.920 there are tackles that can help you, and I think 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.200 this is probably a woefully thin year for center. So 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.920 luckily that's not of need for the Saints because I 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.200 don't think there's a lot of guys that project to 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:24.040 be Day one starters or even starters down the road 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.320 in this league. So I'm glad we're not in a 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.440 position where that's a need for us, and we can 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:30.200 look elsewhere. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.240 Yeah, Eric McCoy's been holding it down and then brought 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.040 back Will Clap so got a back up right there. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:42.520 Ohio states Josh Simmons. He tore his ACL mid October 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.960 and he was somebody that was slated to go first round. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:49.559 How much of a factor is that injury and maybe 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.079 how much does he drop because of it? 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.959 Yeah, I think it's an opportunity for teams that are 0:12:55.000 --> 0:13:00.320 willing to understand that ACL's the progression and recovery from 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.360 that injury. We're not thirty years ago where it's like, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.920 oh he tours a ACLS. It's like back and be 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.800 the exact same, better player. There's still plenty of meat 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.480 left on the bone if you will for a player's 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.440 profile when they're recovering from an acl different from some 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.840 other injuries, but that's not a big concern. You turn 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.520 on his tape and Ohio State's got a couple linemen, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.920 you know, you look at Donovan as well, and you say, 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.320 these guys can play at the next level. So I've 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.080 watched some of their film, just going back and watching 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.200 Ohio State play, and that's a talented team. So you've 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.640 got some of these blue blood programs that are putting 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.400 out some high level players, and two are coming out 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.760 of Ohio State that may not be the top of 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.680 the first round, but you can look at them and 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.080 say they can help our team down the road, or 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:58.120 I can see them as starters. And for Josh coming back, 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.520 it's one of those guys where before he got injured, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.080 he's playing at a high level. And that wouldn't scare 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.320 me away one bit. I think there's probably more opportunity 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.800 for because you know, there's not as much chatter and 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:13.720 buzz surrounding a guy like that. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.880 Sure, what are you watching film for? You just spit 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.120 back on your couch, dial up some O line film 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:22.560 and go and it's. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.760 Scary here and you got to let it go at 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.640 some point, and it's hard for me. So usually this 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.120 time of year I'm training offensive linemen as they get 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.920 ready for the draft, and this is it's one of 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.400 the first years that I'm not training anybody. So it's 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.120 old habits of just being able to watch film and 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:43.280 try to stay somewhat connected to the game. It's now 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.280 it's sad, and I don't appreciate you pointing that out 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.280 in front of all these fans that are knowing. How 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.240 you know, you got to let the rope go at 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:51.520 some point, John, but you have. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.280 It yet, but you do stay involved still, as you said, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.840 training people, and you're there doing stuff with Georgia. We 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.080 have no lineman there that we're working with. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.280 Oh yeah there. So I've worked with a number of 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.920 offensive line coming out of Georgia in years past. There's uh, 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.840 you know, four guys have are leaving Georgia. So there's 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.840 all all draftable, all capable of helping teams in different levels. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.560 You've got Date rat Ledge and Jared Wilson, Dylan Fairchilds 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.960 and your trusts and different player profiles. But uh, you 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.200 know it's again when you start looking at programs like 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:34.040 LSU or Georgia, Ohio State Texas. It seems like every 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.080 year they've got a player or two, and it's because 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.280 the way they recruit. You know, you've recruited UH and 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.120 it's most difficult to find offensive and defensive linemen. So 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.480 you pool these players together, you develop them for three 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:52.040 or four years, and it's it's no surprise that when 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:56.560 they leave the and matriculate through the college ranks, they 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:01.320 are ready to help out some profession team. So George 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.800 is no exception. This year. There's a number of guys that, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.560 you know, depending on where you have them raided, whether 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.960 it's a second third day rating, they can come in 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.640 and fill some needs across that roster. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.840 I saw somewhere where somebody was saying that there's about 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.320 one hundred and forty eight draftable offensive linemen out there, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:28.800 but probably about twenty max will actually get drafted, and 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.280 it seems crazy considering how many rounds there are and 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.280 how many picks. But you mentioned that the depth might 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.560 not be there across the board this year. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.040 Yeah, so you know, you look at it, and I'm 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.160 sure now that I'm old Aaron, and you continue to 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.800 point that out, and I appreciate it. Humbling, thank you 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.000 for this. Now I've got more friends that are like 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.520 coaches across the league. You know, like there's a quarter 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.200 of the teams in the league where either played with 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.640 somebody or played against Somebody's probably more than that, but 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.240 you get to talking to him and as they're evaluating players, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.600 it's like, can he be a cornerstone for our team? 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.560 Can he be a starter? Is he like a sixth 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:13.000 man type, speaking specifically for offensive line, or is this 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.720 a developmental guy that maybe he can be a backup 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:20.280 one day? And then based on that analysis, that's when 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.280 you kind of start rating them as to know, you know, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.040 I think there's a top ten pick. I think it's 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.040 the first rounder. I think this is two or three. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.560 I think this is back in or he's a free 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.200 agent guy that you know, there's parts of his game 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.480 that we like and maybe you know there's something down 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.200 the road. So when you're when you're looking at it, 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.840 it's funny, you know, is there one hundred and fifty 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.119 guys that are going to be meaningful contributors in the NFL? No, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:49.080 they're not draftable, as in something about their game is exciting. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.879 Maybe you know, we talked earlier about maybe they're mallers, 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.199 you know, maybe they can move people, and you're like, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.840 we need to work on them in this space, or 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.800 maybe their head butters and and they play out over 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.400 their toes too much, and that's something that we can 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.359 work on and fix. And you know, once you get 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:14.200 towards the back end of draft a ble quote unquote players, 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.359 they all have their fall flaws and and so to 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.600 the sort of the top rank guys, and they're not 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:25.600 perfect players out there. So understanding what you need, what 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:32.600 you what your system requires and demands is important because, uh, 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.600 you look at the Eagles or the Ravens and their 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.159 ask is very different than you know, some of the 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.240 drop back teams where you're going, well, we need somebody 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.359 who can who can pass, protect and five man pro constantly, 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.520 or do we need somebody who can you know, root 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.120 out and move people because we're a run first offense. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:57.200 So I think understanding a player's profile and then fitting 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.120 them into your system is super important. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:00.240 Uh. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.399 With that said, Aaron, there's not one hundred and fifty 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.480 draftable players that you know, you look out there and say, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.120 hey they can help us. That just doesn't exist. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.959 Okay, you mentioned some of your friends that are coaching, 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.119 which are you here with the Saints and then you 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.520 mentioned the Eagles and their system, Well, Kellen Moore is 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.639 now here as well. What is this line going to 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.600 look like? What do you think are going to be 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.639 the things that they're really valuing in their alignment based 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:27.200 on the scheme. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.960 Yeah, so it's going to be interesting to watch because 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:35.000 I think you look at coach Moore's history and it 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.639 wasn't just one way of doing things. I think he 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:42.399 did an incredible job of trying to match scheme with personnel. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.639 And now that he is at the Helm, will you 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.240 can kind of craft both to each other. You can 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.919 draft the players that you want to fit the system 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.600 that you want, and you know, when you find guys 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.399 like Fuwaga from last year, it can fit in almost 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.359 any system. If he were you end up in Baltimore, 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.280 which is run first, he would fit there because he's 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.000 he can play with that kind of power. Or if 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.760 it's you know, more of a dropback system with five 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.240 man protection in the old Pete Carmichael days, he would 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.399 be he would be equally as adept in that type role. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.480 So there are a few guys that fit both type systems, 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.040 and you know it's it's pretty broad of me to 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.119 say it's one or the other, and there's a wide 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:34.440 spectrum of what you're looking for. But you know, you'd 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.000 love to find as many Jaures as you possibly could 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.639 where you know, he's a big, powerful guy and you 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.200 could fit him into anything, whether it was run first 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:48.119 or you know, we threw the ball sixty times a 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:52.120 game when that was the anomaly, and he was equally 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.439 as adept. So you want to find as many of 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.320 those guys as you can. They just don't grow on trees. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.320 So I think to get back to your question and Aaron, Uh, 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.280 it'll be interesting to see what what does the more 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.280 system look like and what type players is he looking for. 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.760 You know, there are still some needs across the board 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.600 when you look at this roster, and I don't think 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.000 we have a very clear cut starting five in this 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.480 offensive line. And I'm sure they would love, whether it's 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.720 the first, second, or third round, to be able to 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.400 add a couple pieces or at least one to kind 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:30.520 of solidify that group. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:35.360 You would be vouching for another high draft pick offensive 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.000 lineman and get your guys some money. 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:42.399 I get it well, just historically, you look at the Saints, 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.040 look at the look at the where they have placed 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:50.240 their value, and it's all first and second round guys. 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:56.439 Knowing that, in my opinion, you can find starter quality 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:02.080 players at other positions across the offense, UH specifically wide receiver. 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.480 If I'm going to single one out wide receiver, tight end, 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.880 there's guys that you can play in as a part 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.800 of your system that can be big ADS value ads. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:16.760 I don't think that's the case. I don't think that 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:22.040 without paying a bajillion dollars you can't just find those 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:24.600 in free agency and feel like they're plug and play 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:28.199 and ready to go. So you look historically at the 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:33.040