1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: On this episode of news World. I first spoke with 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: my guest Andy Know on June seventeenth, twenty twenty, when 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: he joined me to discuss Seattle's Autonomous Zone. This was 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: a time last summer when Antifa protesters in Seattle, Washington 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: declared an area that included the Seattle Police Department's East 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Precinct as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. After Seattle police 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: in the National Guard pulled out of the region, the 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: six block region was declared an autonomous zone, and the 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: ensuing chaos ended in murder until the Seattle police took 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: it back over. He's become the journalist who covers Antifa. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: Andy is editor at large for The Post Millennial and 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: contributing reporter for New York Post and Newsweek. Now he 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: has a new bookout, Unmasked, Inside Antifa's radical plan to 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: destroy Democracy. I'm really pleased to welcome Andy. No. I 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: know you've been studying this for a long time. Why 16 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: did you decide to write this book? Well, first of all, 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: thank you for having me on again. Well, I started 18 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: off as a student journalist back in twenty sixteen, and 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 1: in November of that year, after the surprise election winner 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, when I was on assignment covering the reactions 21 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: in my home city of Portland, oreg And that was 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: when I saw mobs of dozens and dozens of people 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: dressed in black with their faces covered and carrying mainly 24 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: weapons and backing havoc and smashing up property and starting buyers. 25 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: The lack of curiosity that I saw from the local 26 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: legacy press in identifying who these people were what ideology 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: they espoused stood out to me. So as a student 28 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: journalist had began to cover as a beat that eventually 29 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: made me persona on grata at my university because I 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: was viewed as somebody who is not on the side 31 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: of these so called anti fascists what they call themselves. 32 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: I've continued on that beat as a now a full 33 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: time professional journalist, and I think for the past four 34 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: and a half years, the public in the United States 35 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: have been sold a false narrative and false reports about 36 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: who the Antifa actually are. If you read a lot 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: of the headlines from our paper as a record, you 38 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: would think these were really noble people, anti fascists who 39 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: are fighting against neo Nazis and other extremists in order 40 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: to protect people of color. But what I've seen with 41 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: my own eyes, and what I've seen and learned through 42 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: my own reporting is that these are anarchist communists who 43 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: absolutely hate the United States, and that their brawls and 44 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: fights that they do on the street is just one 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: of the many actions in many Americans got to witness, unfortunately, 46 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: their conage throughout so many cities and urban areas. Portland 47 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: in particular, was under siege really for more than a 48 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty days and nightly riots where ANTIFO were 49 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: carrying out, in my view, terrorist attacks. They killed a 50 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: Trump supporter with the gun in downtown Portland. They set 51 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: fires to police stations, they made homemade explosives and they 52 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: threw them at law enforcement. This is a terroristic movement 53 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: in ideology, and so many people are getting fools and 54 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: so thinking that they're actually anti fascists. I have to 55 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: ask you just a general question. I hadn't realized you'd 56 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: grown up in Portland. Aren't you sort of astonished? I 57 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: remember Portland ten fifteen years ago was a very pleasant town, 58 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: and it strikes me now that's somebody on Fox News 59 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: this morning said there's been a seven hundred percent increase 60 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: in crime in Portland, aren't you kind of amazed at 61 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: how the city has changed. My heartbreaks. This is the 62 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: place where my parents who were refugees, the silent seekers 63 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: who fled communist yet normal ultimately settled them and chose 64 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: to bring up their children. And then you gown home 65 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: and to see it devolved into a place where there's 66 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: a breakdown in the basic role of law, in the 67 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: ability for law enforcement to protect the most basic rights 68 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: of citizens, property, access to public spaces, etc. And it's 69 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: not too surprising when you look actually at how it 70 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: all played out. It happened relatively rapidly, accelerated under what 71 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: the so called resistance to Trump was the pretext to 72 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: sort of move in this direction of implementing new laws 73 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: and undoing certain things in the nameless social justice. And 74 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: then after the death of George Floyd in May of 75 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, it just accelerated exponentially. The mayor, in consultation 76 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: with those in city council, dismountled the gun violence production 77 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: team of the Portland Police. They slash millions from the 78 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: police budget, and now we see, as you mentioned a 79 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: moment ago, this exponential rise in violent crimes and homicides. 80 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: I want to ask these lawmakers, these decision makers, what 81 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: did you think was going to happen when you take 82 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: away law enforcement resources, when you, in the case of 83 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: ninety percent of those who have been arrested, our rise, 84 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: when the district attorney drops their charges, and that people 85 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: can be arrested up to eight times in the course 86 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: of a month at the riots and get absolutely no convictions, 87 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: what do you think was going to happen? So this 88 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: is what's happening in Portland, but also Seattle. Seattle is 89 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: where there was that autonomous zone last year that was 90 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: deadly near right about that in the book. In fact, 91 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: there's a whole thing now. Also on Minneapolis, they had 92 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: created an autonomous zone around where George Floyd was killed, 93 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: and that that area now is totally dominated by thugs 94 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: and has had a dramatic increase in violence to such 95 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: a degree that the local businesses and the local neighbors 96 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: who lived there are begging the city to take it 97 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: back over. So this concept of an autonomous zone, which 98 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: is essentially secession, is gradually spreading among the urban left 99 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: in ways that are kind of interesting. That's right. It 100 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: is a succession by another name. When I was in 101 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: the autonomous zone in Seattle, that was the first time 102 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: they had heard of that term. But when you go there, 103 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: you see they set up barriers, they have checkpoints. The 104 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: checkpoints are manned by their armed security. They have signs 105 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: up saying you are now leaving the United States. They 106 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: create a litteral no go zone for a police. In 107 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Seattle's case, that was allowed to go on for more 108 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: than three weeks and it led to six shootings and 109 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: to murders and attempted rape and allston attacks. The one 110 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis has been going on now for months and months, 111 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: and just recently there was a person who was murdered 112 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: right up that area and police apparently we're not allowed 113 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: to go in to help this person, who eventually died. So, 114 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: I mean, these are like many declarations of war. These 115 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: are people who say that we are claiming territory that 116 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: is sovereign and we don't acknowledge the American jurisdiction. The 117 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: first name that. On both sides, On the one hand, 118 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: you're the arrogance of people saying we will decide that 119 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: we are no longer in the United States. On the 120 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: other idea of the passivity of these city officials who 121 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: just kind of go along with it. It's like a 122 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: two sided dance in the same direction. And I don't 123 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: understand in Portland, with the level of violence they've had, 124 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: the consistency of violence they've had, why haven't the people 125 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: of Portland been more angry. I think places like Portland 126 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: in Seattle where they stand out how sort of examples 127 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: of anti violence extremism because there's a critical mass of 128 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: support in the public for what is being done, either 129 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: through autual sympathies for the ideology that's the spouse, and 130 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: or through fear. I think it's very important just to 131 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: point out that Portland, in Seattle, in Minneapolis, if you will, 132 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: these are left wing political monocultures, and so there's no 133 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: balance or counterpoise or any mechanism for or the one 134 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: party rule to moderate. You know, they're constantly getting pushed 135 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: only further in one direction, which is the direction of radicalism. 136 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: And much of what I write about my book is 137 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: not just about the violence Evountifa, but how they've been 138 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: able to really drastically change the Overton window for the 139 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: mainstream left in the United States. I mean, as the 140 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: deadly rights were happening last year, our paper records and 141 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: those commentators invited onto broadcast television the United States. We're 142 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: talking about how property destruction in looting are not acts 143 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,479 Speaker 1: of violence, and that these are legitimate forms of protests. 144 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: It could be seen as reparations. So you know, within 145 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: these mainstream media institutions, they were providing legitimacy for acts 146 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: of violence. Extremism, and chief for itself as a concept 147 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to I guess by more Germany, 148 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,119 Speaker 1: are those real ties? Was that just a public relations 149 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: ploy by the organizers of the American version. It's more 150 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: so the latter the public relations ploy in that the 151 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: original antifoe in the int war years of Germany was 152 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: a paramilitary of the German Communist Party, but it was 153 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: banned and it ceased to exist after World War Two. 154 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: But the remnants of that ideology, what they call anti 155 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: fascism is really just another name for being anti America 156 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: or anti Western was then institutionalized at the state level 157 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: for East Germany. The East Germans called the Berlin World 158 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: the anti fascist defense Barrier. They've always be the United 159 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: States and its allies as fascist powers. So I would 160 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: say it's more of like a spiritual and ideological link 161 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: to the original Antife, rather than a shoal through numbers 162 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: moving from one to the other, you have now a 163 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: growing system of Biden during the presidential debate said that 164 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: Antifa is an idea, not an organization. But you've published 165 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: documents about how to actually join. Well, you couldn't be 166 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: joining an idea. So what's your interpretation of whether or 167 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: not there is a real system, sort of a skeleton structure, 168 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: if you will, that is Antifa. So Biden with repeating 169 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: some of the words that Christopher Ray, the head of 170 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: the FBI said, and those statements in and of themselves 171 00:11:54,360 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: are not incorrect, but they're incomplete. So is an ideology. 172 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: It's a movement, but the movement is made up of 173 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: networks of routs and cells. It becomes a little bit 174 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: more nuanced when you describe it that way. A lot 175 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: of people would try to create a strong nown of 176 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and saying that because there's no single 177 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: capital a Antifa card carrying membership type of organization, that 178 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: means they don't exist. That's not true. You have groups 179 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: like Rose City Antifa. You have groups like numerous Antipo 180 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: cells is in the Torch network. Some of them have antiphon. 181 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: They needs some of them, don't. Rose City Antifa is 182 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: significant because that's one of the largest cells in the 183 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: United States, based in Portland, and it was there that 184 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: I was able to get these documents of how their 185 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: curriculum works and what messages are sent to those who 186 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: go through the datting process. To become a member, you 187 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: don't even just join by saying you want to join. 188 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: You have to prove your loyalty to your comrades. You 189 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: have to show that you're willing to not just follow 190 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: and believe the same things, but willing to actually carry 191 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: out acts and violence. So the primary documents that have 192 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: published in my book for the first time, I wish 193 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: that had gotten attention from the left. They conveniently ignored it. 194 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really troubling stuff, you know, it's introduction 195 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: gradually to more and more extreme ideas, and within that 196 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: they sprinkle in things like weapons use trainings, trainings on 197 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: how to mame people, how to take out an eye, 198 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: how to fire guns. I mean, in their own words, 199 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: own literature, they're trying to make each other into revolutionaries, 200 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: and it was always kind of like this grand, impossible 201 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: goal for them. But I think they were able to 202 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: see that because of the fake fears that we were 203 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: sold about Trump in twenty sixteen when he was elected, 204 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: we were all told that there's a sign of assundant 205 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: American fascism. It gave them this open to recruit from 206 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: the mainstream left, and that's why they've become what was 207 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: a fringe movement of fringe extremists ideology, they've become quite mainstream. 208 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: The membership has exploded, and so hence they're violence. They're 209 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: both a larger organization and a more violent organization. They 210 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: are because they're being excused in the mainstream press, and 211 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: they really really do need that control of narratives, and 212 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: much of their time has spent actually creating propaganda, getting 213 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: fellow travelers and media to right favorable stories about them. 214 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: You know how many times were we told that these 215 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: people are not extremists, these are anti fascists who are 216 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: just trying to protect communities from violent white supremacists. The 217 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: headlines and stories that we were given day in and 218 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: day out for years, so it's no surprise that, at 219 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: least within much of the Masian conscience, it's not a 220 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: correct understanding of the threat that we're dealing with and 221 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: it has really serious consequences. You have mayors and politicians, 222 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: and now I would argue people in the executive role 223 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: turning a blind mind to them, thinking this is not 224 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: a real issue, even though they've killed, even though they 225 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: have launched terrorist attacks on government property, even though they 226 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: recruit out in the open, even though they have sources 227 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: of funding on go fund me and other websites in 228 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: the millions of dollars to cover all their legal fees 229 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: of their comrades who happen to get arrested. I have 230 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: to ask you, would they put up a go fund 231 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: may note what do they say? So go fund These 232 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: tons of services actually prohibits the crowdfunding for the legal 233 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: fees for somebody who is accused of violent crimes. Now 234 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: that would apply to a lot of the anti funds 235 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: who get arrested. But what they do and what they 236 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: realize is, oh, they will just create a front group. 237 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: So they'll create something that sounds very innocuous, like let's 238 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: say Portland Defense Fund or Protest Defense Fund, or in 239 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: the case of Minneapolis, the Minnesota Freedom Fund. These were 240 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: the funds that were promoted by Kamala Harris, for example, 241 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: and those who worked on the Biden presidential campaign during 242 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: the height of the riots in Minnesota last year, and 243 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: that campaign raised over thirty five million dollars. The one 244 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: in Portland raised one point three million dollars, and most 245 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: of the charges to just get dropped anyways, so the 246 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: money is returned back to them. They reinvest it for 247 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: other things. They give so called grants to other Antifa 248 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: chapters to buy things like riot gear, weapons, They pay 249 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: for the accommodation and traveling costs of their comrades. I mean, 250 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: wasn't particularly surprising to me that there were people from 251 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: Seattle and Portland who were arrested in Kenosha, Wisconsin, when 252 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: riots for breaking out there. You have the sort of 253 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: loose alliance of people who are apparently quite happy to 254 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: confront the police and to cause damage. Why have we 255 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: not been able to declare that a conspiracy and go 256 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: after it. That's a great question, and it's a question 257 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: that I'm asking lawmakers all the time, and if I 258 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to offer to ask law enforcement agencies 259 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: at the federal and local level, Like we have reco laws, 260 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: for example, that were brought into use to help break 261 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: up some of these criminal gains that were causing so 262 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: much misery decades ago. I think a lot of those 263 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: laws could possibly apply to essentially what is a criminal 264 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: card tower in antifood Today, I think there's no political 265 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: will to do it. A lot of politicians and lawmakers 266 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: aren't even willing to admit or acknowledge that Antifa's real. 267 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: I've given testimony to both the Senate and the House 268 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: now several occasions on topics related to antifunil up political extremism, 269 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: and it's like talking to a brick wall with pretty 270 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: much all of the Democrats. They only want to focus 271 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: on one type of extremism. What I don't understand and 272 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: is why the federal government has not seen Antifa as 273 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: a nationwide conspiracy and pursued it under those grounds. It 274 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: raises money across the country, It distributes the money, it 275 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: funds people traveling to raise trouble. There's a clear tie 276 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: between Antifa showing up in anti police violence. Why do 277 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: you think the system has refused to take Antifa seriously? 278 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: What's the question I've been asking myself for a long time. 279 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: When I presound, let's say, in this beautiful evidence, then 280 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: they switch to But now platitude condemnations of just violence 281 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: in general. It's really frustrating to be shouting from the 282 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: rooftops about this violence that's usually being organized openly on 283 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: social media like Telegram, on Instagram, on Twitter, and big 284 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: tech doesn't do anything. Law enforcement doesn't appear to be 285 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: doing anything. In fact, have been really disappointed many of 286 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: the federal law offstering agencies have based on their public statements. 287 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like they really understand what antifa is, they 288 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: seem to think. To them, it's just as you said earlier, 289 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: as Biden has said before, just an idea and ideology. 290 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of it. But this ideology is 291 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: manifesting itself until a coherent beliefs system that is organized 292 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: into groups, groups that actually have real presence on the 293 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: ground on Twitter, on Facebook, even is a physical location. 294 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: When they have the presence, we should expect our law 295 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: enforcement to do more. And unfortunately, it seems like there is, 296 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: in my view, a tolerance for far left filence. I mean, 297 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: you can open up the opinion sections of any of 298 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: our papers or records during the deadly riots that were 299 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: happening last year, and they were just excusing it. Left 300 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: and riot and I think these agencies, as we've known 301 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: and how they handled various investigations in the past few years, 302 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: are extremely politicized. I think the point you just made 303 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: is extraordinarily important that the rule of law has increasingly 304 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: been replaced by a rule of politics. And you can 305 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: look at the reaction to January sixth, and then you 306 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: look at the reaction to two solid years of rioting 307 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: in Portland, and it's astonishing. I mean, the degree to 308 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 1: which we're seeing this happened now across the country, that 309 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: the elements of law and order are being pushed back 310 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: by the elements of crime and lawlessness, very often with 311 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: the help of local attorneys who have been elected with 312 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: George Soros's money and the money of other left wing groups. 313 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: But you know, it was striking to me when we 314 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: talked to a couple of months ago watching what was 315 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: going on in Portland. Had this very very weak mayor, 316 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: and somebody pointed out, yes, but the woman who's probably 317 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: going to beat him is even more pro Antifa than 318 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: he is. And that's why I'm astonished at the willingness 319 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: of some of these cities to sort of have slow 320 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: motion suicide as a government strategy. Yeah. If you look 321 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: at what's been bringing in academ and therefore the culture 322 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: that people who wants to graduate from these institutions and 323 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: move into obviously positions of power and various similar industries, 324 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: you'll see that there's just been a whole gradual pushing 325 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: of Americans to accept and tolerate, in view far left 326 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: violence as noble. I think it's particularly telling that terrorists 327 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: like those who were involved with the Weather Underground for examples, 328 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: and in the sixties and seventies, these people like Bill 329 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: Aires and it's why their academics now the District Attorney 330 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: for San Francisco, he was raised behind Weather Underground numbers. 331 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: So it's like you can look at Angela Dave that 332 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: she's viewed as a so called civil rights icon when 333 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: she spent years going to and cozying up with the 334 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: regimes that our enemies in America used, Germany and the 335 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: Soviet Union and praising communism, so on and so forth. 336 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: It's not just an American issue. It's like the whole 337 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: West has never really, i think, come to terms with 338 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: the evil, wickedness of communism in the twentieth century. Everybody 339 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: understands very viscerally about the horrors and evils of Nazism 340 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: and the various ideologies that are linked to the extreme 341 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: far rind, but things that are associated with the far left, 342 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: even when they manifest themselves through violence, such as the 343 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: weather underground, such as the various other black power groups 344 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: that carried out bombings and killing of law enforcement decades ago, 345 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: and what Anti FI doing now, killing people and taking 346 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: over property and holding people hostage. It's all seen as 347 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: for a wider good, and we can't make an omement 348 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: without breaking eggs. But at the same time, the larger 349 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: civilization I would think has a huge investment in not 350 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: allowing lawlessness. I mean, it seems me there's a very 351 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: core question here about whether people will be protected. So 352 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: if you go out and you build a small business, 353 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: or you build a church, or in any way you 354 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: try to do something positive for community, that the community 355 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: has a moral obligation to then protect you against those 356 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: who would willfully destroy your property and in some cases 357 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: of your life. I mean, doesn't it strike you that 358 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: this is remarkable crossroads for America to find itself out 359 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 1: where down one road you end up with the Antifas 360 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: and people like that dominating and bullying and attacking whoever 361 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: they want to, and down the other road, you have 362 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: a fairly wrenching moment of having to have a campaign, 363 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: almost like the campaign we had in the late fifties 364 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: against the mafia, or the campaign they had in the 365 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: early thirties against crime in Chicago. But if you really 366 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: wanted to stop Antifa at this stage, that would be 367 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: a real project, and the FBI would be very deeply involved. 368 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: The lack of action, by the turning of a blind 369 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: eye that's happening by local governments and even higher up. 370 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: This is the ultimate betrayal to the citizens. We pay 371 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: our tax dollars so that our most basic rights are protected, 372 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: and in many instances they're not. If you happen to 373 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: have a business or live let's say in downtown Portland, 374 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: where the rights are still ongoing to this day. By 375 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: the way, you're just out of luck. You know, your 376 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: windows get smashed up over and over and over, it's 377 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: on you to replace it all. At the same time, 378 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: you're having to pay the same taxes before, and if 379 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: you happen to try to protect yourself or your property 380 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: or your community, you'll get prosecuted to the full extent 381 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: of the law. As we've seen some people experiencing right now. 382 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: So it's in the book I write a little bit 383 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: about my whole experience as somebody who's a second generation 384 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: American and my gratitude to the United States in providing 385 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: a safe home for my parents, for them to build 386 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: a life, and then ultimately for me to be given 387 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: all the rights and privileges that I have as a 388 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: US citizen. I don't have luxury of taking the rule 389 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: of law for granted. Like a lot of my peers 390 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: to my age and younger, I think they assume that 391 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: the baseline for humanity is some type of water. When 392 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: you look at how so much of humanity is functioning 393 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: today and through antiquity historically, it's been violence, tribal warfare, 394 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: and just to see all these forces not really working 395 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: to not just like damage liberal institutions of like law 396 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: enforcement courthouses, but like they're working in overdrive to completely 397 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: undermine the American philosophies and ideas that provide legitimacy to 398 00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: these institutions. One of the reasons I think that this 399 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: has done so out of control is that the elite 400 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: media doesn't want to come to grips with it, you know, 401 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: The Media Research Center pointed out that in twenty twenty one, 402 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: neither ABC, CBS, or NBC in their evening news covered 403 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: any of the violent protests in Oregon for a period 404 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: from January one to the middle of March. How can 405 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: the country, how can the American people come to grips 406 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: with the threat to their very civilization when the people 407 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: who are supposed to be reporting on it refused to 408 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: even talk about it. Yeah, the fact that media is 409 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: a zero sum game, and that is they're focusing on 410 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: other stories, they have to leave out some things that, 411 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: I mean, we can see the consequences of that, and 412 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: consequences I think can be deadly. Much of the American 413 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: public is very ignorant about what happened in Seattle last year, 414 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: what happened for months on end in Portland. They think 415 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: that it's sort of just peaceful protesters against racism who 416 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: are being brutalized by Trump's gestapo and secret police, and 417 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean politicians on the left actually use those adjectives 418 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: and descriptions to refer to federal law enforcement who came 419 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: to Portland to protect a federal property that writers were 420 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: trying to burn down night after night. I understand the 421 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: significance of the riot that happened in the sixth of January. 422 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's in the American capital, symbolic for the 423 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: heart of American democracy and all that. But these power 424 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: bombing and awesome attacks on federal and law enforcement property 425 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest is also important. And just because 426 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: you know they aren't like people Congress inside these buildings 427 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we should look away from it and 428 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: the problems that the violence that has developed in Portland 429 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: doesn't just stay in Portland. Like the riots in Minneapolis 430 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: last year were so successful about some of these extremist groups, 431 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: these anti fund networks actually put out after action reports. 432 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: They were looking at how were they so successful in 433 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: not just overtaking one of the police stations in Minneapolis, 434 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: but actually burning into the ground, What are the lessons 435 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: love from that and how do they repeat that in 436 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: other cities. I mean that blueprint was applied in some 437 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: ways to the takeover to Chaz. I mean childs hath 438 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: centered around the expelling police from the police station in 439 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: the East Precinct. The networks that developed, the lessons that 440 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: they learn and the things that they improve on in 441 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: their criminal activities, it's applied to other places. To people 442 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't be so blaise just because geographically some of these 443 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: cities may be located far from the Capitol or New York. 444 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: You know, I was surprised, given the hostility of much 445 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: of the news media about saying anything negative about Antifa, 446 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: your book ended up on the New York Times bestseller list? 447 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: Was that a surprise to you? It was just because 448 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: weeks before the book had come out, one of the 449 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: largest bookstore in Portland banned sales of the book on 450 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: its shelves. There were lots of people calling for numerous 451 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: businesses to not sell it. They're saying that I was 452 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: propagating hate, that my book was a manual for fascism. 453 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: So I felt like beings were stacked against me, and 454 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: I certainly didn't think that the book would become a 455 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: commercial success. It's on a subject that for so many 456 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: years we've been told that antipas not even real by large, 457 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm very dejected looking at what's been happening in America 458 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: in the past, present, in the near future. But I 459 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: guess like one silver lining I see is that there's 460 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: a portion of the country that does want to learn 461 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: more about this threat that we're facing, and so I 462 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: have some stratitude that so many people are willing to 463 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: pick up the book and to read it despite some 464 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: of the obstacles. Sour Thedes, I mean, I think one 465 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: of the most recent attempts that sabotage against the book 466 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: has been the proliferation of fake paperback versions on Amazon, 467 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: and so you know, all of that is meant to 468 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: hurt sales and all that the information is what's important, 469 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: and some people, more people, I would say, maybe waking 470 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: up and seeing the threat, because it is hard to 471 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: deny when you're seeing hundreds of hours of footage from 472 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: the past year of this deadly violence happening. And then, 473 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you see how commentators are referring to these 474 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: as mostly peaceful, but then you look what these people 475 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: are actually doing in these on edited, raw videos, you 476 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: see a very different reality on the ground. Well, I 477 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: think that's exactly right, and I think your book is 478 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: a substantial contribution. That's why I think Unmasked Inside Antifa's 479 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: radical plan to destroy democracy is really an important contribution 480 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: to our understanding of what really is a cancer at 481 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: the heart of our democratic society. If Antifa has their way, 482 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: the rule of law will collapse, and we will live 483 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: in a society dominated by violence and by the most ruthless, 484 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: and that would be an extraordinary loss for the human race, 485 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: not just for Americans. But we have been for over 486 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: two hundred years a country in which the rule of 487 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: law mattered, and in which even the weakest and the 488 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: poorest could file suit and could go to court. And 489 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: if all of that breaks down and we become the 490 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: rule of the most brutal, and we will deeply regret 491 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: not having confronted Antifa. And I think you are, without 492 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: any doubt the pre eminent student of this direct threat 493 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: to our society. So I just want to thank you. 494 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: I want to encourage you to continue to have the 495 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: courage and the energy to do your research to cover 496 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: these kinds of stories and to give the American people 497 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: a chance to learn the truth. Thank you so much. 498 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you focusing on these important issues. Thank 499 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,719 Speaker 1: you to my guest Andy Know. 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