WEBVTT - Surveillance: John Kirby on Israel-Hamas 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.119 This is the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.080 I'm Tom Keene, along with Jonathan Farrow and Lisa Abramowitz. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.760 Join us each day for insight from the best an economics, geopolitics, 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.720 finance and investment. Subscribe to Bloomberg Surveillance on demand on Apple, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:25.400 Spotify and anywhere you get your podcasts, and always on 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.880 Bloomberg dot Com, the Bloomberg Terminal, and the Bloomberg Business app. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:30.960 This is a joy. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.400 He is a National Security Council spokesman. He is someone 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.760 steeped in our defense discussion as the President speaks at 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.720 one PM this afternoon, but far more John Kirby has 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.159 actually had tours. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.600 Of duty with the Navy. He has real world. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.960 Experience that when the facts change, Admiral Kirby changes. Admiral 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.600 thank you so much for joining us this morning and 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.280 your briefings with the President and his team this morning. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.640 What will be the message at one pm? 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.080 The first and most important message that the President will 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.400 deliver in his remarks is really about the United States 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.920 is long standing and continued support of Israel, of the 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.720 people of Israel, our sympathies obviously with the loss and 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.760 the suffering and the shock that they're going through, but 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.200 also our firm resolved to make sure that they can 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.600 continue to defend themselves against these the terrorist attacks and 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.160 to take action against Hamas directly. So he will talk 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.120 about the military assistance that we are providing and that 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.759 we expect to have to provide going forward. Number two, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.039 we'll talk about the hostage situation and the crisis and 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.039 the fear that that is also engendering in so many 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.840 hearts and minds throughout the region, including here in the 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.680 United States, and what the United States might be willing 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.120 to do to help with the hostage recovery efforts. And 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.760 then lastly, and this is not unimportant at all, it's 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.120 a strong message for Americans here at home that anti 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.680 Semitism has no place, neither does terrorism, and that the 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.960 United States federal govern that will work with state and 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.960 local authorities to make sure that a Jewish community throughout 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.400 the country doesn't have to live in fear and anguish 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.560 and anxiety. That we're going to make sure that we 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.360 can look after Jewish community centers and places of worship. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.080 John Kirby from an Israel template, there is sixty seven 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.440 and seventy three, and they were very different to bring 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.679 it to your navy almost Zuomalt, Admiral Zumwalt didn't have 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.200 to worry about social media, the immediacy, the speed of 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.320 news today. How will this effort of Israel and the 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:36.360 assistance of the United States change because of this modern 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.600 news cycle, that crushing visibility of the terror that we 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:41.120 have seen. 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.680 Yeah, I mean, you can't have a conflict today anymore 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.600 where it's not being brought home to people in real 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:52.280 time in micro bits of information and imagery. And it 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.720 really it gives you a gut punch because it's right 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.600 in front of your face and everywhere you turn, you 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:58.959 gotta feel like you have to react to it. It 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.000 is really important like this, particularly when information is so 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.799 is so ubiquitous and so accelerated, that when appropriate, you 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:09.800 got to make sure you're slowing down and making the 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.920 right policy decisions, that you're acting not so much in 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.880 reaction to what's in the news environment, but what you 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.640 actually need to do on the field of battle or 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.000 in the information space. Make no mistake, and we saw 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.519 this in twenty fourteen in the Gaza war. The information 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.280 the narrative war was just as important as the bombs 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.480 that were dropping and the explosions that were going off. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.000 That will be even more the case here in terms 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.640 of making sure that you know that there is a 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.680 common set of narratives about who's that fault here, who 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.000 are the victims, and what needs to be done to 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:43.800 move this forward. 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.240 John Kravy, There's been a lot of discussion around the 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:50.280 six billion dollars that the US released to unfroze. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:51.119 I should say. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:53.200 For Tehran. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:54.560 It has not been released yet. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.320 I've seen some of the comments that you and others 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.560 have made in the administration saying that not a petty off. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.480 It's actually been transferred. However, what is the discussion around 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.880 refreezing it. How likely and realistic is it that this 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.560 administration will refreeze that six billion dollars. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.840 We don't have a policy decision on that to speak 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.200 to you right now. It has always been the case 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.880 that that money could have could be frozen at any time. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.479 We said that when we send it over to Cutter 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:23.160 and made it available to the Iranians. It's also important 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.240 to remember that the regime, even though none of it's 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.960 been spent yet, but even if some had been, the 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.720 regime never sees a dime of it. They never get 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.760 their hands on it. It goes right to vendors that 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.440 we approve who buy the humanitarian goods and ship them 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.400 into Iran for direct access to the Iranian people. The 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.440 regime will never see a sin of this. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:45.599 A lot of people have said that this is sort 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.159 of just a distraction from the real issue, which is 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.960 that essentially Iran is getting a ton of money through 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:56.600 the exports of oil, particularly to China, despite sanctions, and 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.400 the sanctions have been somewhat lightened, how much does the 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.760 US talk about enforcing the sanctions in a more significant 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.320 way or the ineffectiveness of those sanctions. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.400 I would push back a little bit on the idea 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.320 that sanctions have been enlightened. We have not lightened any 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.040 of the sanctions. In fact, we've added additional sanctions, some 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.599 four hundred sanctions on Iran just since the beginning of 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.080 this administration, and we're absolutely committed to full and total enforcement. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:21.320 Now. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.400 Obviously, other nations have to enforce their sanctions as well, 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.320 and certainly we talk with them about that, but the 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.640 United States has not backed off on any sanctions. Quite 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.839 the contrary, We've added and increased our enforcement capability. Not 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.839 to mention, we have increased our military presence in the 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.640 Gulf region and now of course in the Eastern med 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.800 to deter would be actors like Iran who might want 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.400 to try to take advantage of the situation. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.240 So far, there has been a distinction drawn by both 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.880 US and Israeli official saying that while it is clear 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.680 that Iran has been involved in backing Hamas financially, it 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.920 is unclear whether they were directly involved in orchestrating this 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:01.200 particular attack. What is the difference from a perspective? What 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:05.000 would the US do and Israel do should Iran be 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.800 determined to have been intimately connected with orchestrating this attack. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.400 I won't get into speculating about what policy decisions we 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.560 might or might not make based on where the information 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.000 and the intelligence leads us. All I can do is 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:19.520 reiterate what we've been saying. 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:20.480 We haven't seen. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.320 Any specific tactical intelligence or information evidence that points to 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:29.360 Iran's participation in these particular attacks. Now clearly, and we've 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.479 made no bones about it, that there is already and 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.919 has been for a long time, a degree of complicity 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.080 by Iran here because they've been supporting Hamas for many years, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.080 Training capabilities, resourcing, certainly rhetorically in just the last twenty 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.839 four hours of Supreme leaders out there praising this attack 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.840 by Hamas. So there's a degree of complicity, but we 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.160 just haven't found any correct evidence. And quite frankly, now 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.480 there have our Israeli counterparts, Emal Kirby. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.800 With great respect, and I don't want you to give 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.560 away the family secrets. But the conventional effort is like 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:04.000 eboeing this century E three intelligence aircraft. You put a 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.000 couple of them up in the air and gather intelligence. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.560 This is two million people in a highly urban landscape, 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.680 squeezed into a geography that is two Washington d c's. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:21.600 How do you prosecute intelligence against an enemy sandwiched in 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.640 among two million people? 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.560 Very difficult, very difficult to do. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.280 I won't speak for the Israelis, and of course you 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.880 know this is really for them to talk about. We will, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:36.000 obviously will and continue to share intelligence with them and 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.000 offer them help in intelligence gathering, as of course we will, 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.440 we always do, but it'll be a task really for 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.960 them to work on. But it is very difficult, very dense, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.080 very as you said, urban and very very heavily populated, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.920 and Hamas this is just another example of their barbarity, 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:58.040 using Palestinians that live in gata as human shields, hiding 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.880 in mosques and residential bid buildings and hospitals as command centers. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.200 I mean, this is what makes it very, very difficult 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.200 for precise targeting ERMA. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.680 One final question, and I must speak to the navy 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:13.120 that gerald Ford is in the area. Is it properly staffed? 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.040 Is this a US Navy that can develop the manpower, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.800 the sea power to staff not only that aircraft carrier 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:21.960 but the many other ships involved. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.840 Yeah, the gerald Ford care Strike Group is now in 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.200 the Eastern Mediterranean. As you rightly said, it's not just 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.400 the aircraft carrier and the embarked air wing of more 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:35.079 than eighty aircraft, but it is several ships and around 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.760 it in its periphery. They are all fully manned, they're 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.800 all fully trained, they're all fully ready and fully armed 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.000 to look after American national security interests in the region. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.160 That was one of the messages that the President wanted 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.000 to send by moving those forces there, that nobody should 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.640 take advantage of the situation in Israel, and that the 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.520 United States will always make sure that our national security 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.040 interests are first and foremost as well Edmial. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:57.760 Thank you so much. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:12.000 John Curry of the National Security Council. A different voice now, 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.959 an important voice, Cecy Lovely, totally. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.360 I'll get that right. Help me here. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.760 Lisa Israeli, Ambassador of the United Kingdom, joins us this 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.400 morning in her busy schedule as well. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:24.480 Ambassador. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.840 Six years ago, in the conversation of the politics of 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:34.320 Israel in the United States, you spoke about Jews in America. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.640 Leading convenient lives. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.680 I thought it was a brilliant comment of the distance 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:43.959 of Israel from Judaism in America. Speaking of convenient lives 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:48.280 in America? Are our convenient lives? Have they been shattered? 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.439 I think in a way every Jew in the world 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.200 his life's being shattered after what happened in the last 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.679 forty eight hours in Israel. I want to tell you 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.000 from a personal stories because for me, I've been in 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:08.400 Israel when the war started, and my husband and my 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.880 two daughters are still in Israel. I just received my 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.280 daughters in a shelter at the moment because Tel Aviv 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.880 is under a rockets attack at the moment as we speak, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.800 and this is horrendous. We've never seen anything like that, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.719 and I'm speaking as someone who has experienced I was 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.840 part of the Israeli government. I've seen terror attacks in 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.720 my life, and I must say this is unprecedented, the 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:39.680 way Hamas barbarically acted against children, against young women. We're 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.319 speaking here about war crimes being committed by Hamas in 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.400 the last forty eight hours. The Israelis and the international 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.840 community are exposed to those. I don't even have the 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:55.080 words to explain. How about those atrocities are and the 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.280 videos on social media that I'm sure you've seen some 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.640 of it. I've just seen of a young Israeli child 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.679 walking in Gaza and Palestinian children are bitting him up. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.920 Those are things, I mean, think about. It reminds us 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.959 dark times in the Jewish history, and this is our obligation, 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.480 our first obligation to fight back and to make sure 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:21.280 Hamas will never have the ability to act against Israelis. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.360 Ambassador, how are. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.720 You responding to the fact that this is really creating 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.520 a whole host of tensions around the world that have 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.240 become sort of ethnically focused on both sides. It really 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.559 has erupted debates and protests and anger. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.040 On both sides. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.040 How would you like to angle the conversation to be 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.199 able to foster something more productive. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.520 I think that this is time to fight and to 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.000 defend the people of Israel. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:48.760 And I think. 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.600 Whoever saw the fact that a thousand Israelis were killed 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.040 in cold blood cannot speak now about both sides. There 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.239 is one side here. Who's the side that once freedom, democracy, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.200 cares about human rights, cares about people's life, which is 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:06.079 the Israeli side. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.360 And there is the other side. This is good versus evil. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.840 This is so clear here that we are fighting in 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.280 one of Israel's darkest moments. We are fighting evil that 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.120 the world haven't seen since the Second World War, and 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.840 we need to fight it. It's a terror organization recognized 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.080 in the US and in the UK. And you know, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.160 many people are comparing to nine to eleven, and I 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.840 heard many people that are making the equivalent numbers with 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.880 the proportion. When you think about Israel as a tiny country, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.360 just nine million people, it's actually ten times of nine 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:43.000 to eleven. And the disaster that the country is experiencing. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.480 This is something that any country in the world should 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.319 support Israel. Now we've seen Israeli flags here in London. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.640 We saw the British Parliament colors itself in blue and white. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.960 We saw number ten Downing Street with a huge Israeli 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.600 flag projected on. This is the time to support Israel. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:05.040 The international community should understand that if Israel is not protected, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.480 then the whole Western civilization is not protected, because those 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.040 horrible things backed by Iran can happen everywhere. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.240 Ambassadora, totally, what do you make of some of the 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.800 reports of Qatar, of the United Arab Emirates of Egypt 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.360 even acting as some sort of intermediary to negotiate hostage releases. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.600 Hostage release is a very very important mission at the moment. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:34.960 We call again Hamas to release every single individual, children, women, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.000 elderly women that were kidnapped by Hamas. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:40.560 Some of them were tortured. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:46.400 And we've seen horrible, horrible again videos and images that 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.920 are coming from Yaza, and they are committing those war 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.800 crimes and the world must stop them to commit those 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.800 war crimes. They need to release the people being kidnapped. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.079 Ambassador, your politics is clearly to the right, that is 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.120 the way. It is a stole within the Israeli media 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:03.640 and of course in the United Kingdom. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.760 Let me help you with that, I'm ambassador. According to 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.920 the Israeli system. When you become a diplomat. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:10.959 You're represent I understand that. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:11.640 I don't. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.800 I don't, I don't follow at the moment, you. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.400 Know the Israeli politics as a politicians, I don't understand 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:18.400 representing Israel. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.840 And Bessadors talking to our Stuart Wallace about this news 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:26.080 of a coalition or combined government within Israel. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.520 That is in your wheelhouse. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.520 Can that be successful and how will a combination of 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.960 Israeli politics be successful in prosecuting this war. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.640 So, first of all, it's clear both to the Prime 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.920 Minister and to the leaders of opposition that there was 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.760 never bigger necessity for unity government in Israel than at 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.560 this moment. And I speak on behalf ever Israeli Israelis 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.680 are united now. Israeli's fight together, shoulder to shoulder. We 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.000 see so many gestures coming from Israelis want to support 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.560 our soldiers, want to support the people that need help 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.080 at the moment in Israel, that are in the front line. 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.080 So they want to see the same reflection in our politics. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.400 And I'm sure that the unity government will happen and 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:13.520 it will be the reality. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:15.720 I hope sooner. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:20.720 The better ambassador, the Arab community speaks to different sets 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:26.400 or different cohorts of Palestinians. Can the Arab nations assist 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.800 Israel in speaking the Palestine away from Hamas? 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:34.920 You know, this is not something new. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.320 I mean, this is a process being going on over 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.720 a generation. And in the last few years, as you know, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.880 there were dramatic breakthroughs between Israel and our world with 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.640 the Abraham Accords, with the ongoing negotiation with Saudi. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.600 So we are in. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.520 Times where our world wants to be close to Israel 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:58.360 and the Middle East is changing. Unfortunately, this radical ideology 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:04.040 that Hamas is leading based on isis mentality, this jihadi ideology. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.800 The look at Tamas charter, look at what there they 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.240 want to do. They want to kill basically every single Jew. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.880 They don't they don't recognize the right of Israel to exist. 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.840 So when this is Hamas ideology, this is ideology must 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.200 be fight. You can't negotiate with these people, you can't 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.320 have peace with Hamas. You need to fight back because 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.640 they started this war and Israel will win this war. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.960 Ambassador totally, what do you make of some of the 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.880 discussion around Iran And there's been a lot of dancing 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.160 around you know that they have backed Hamas, but that 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:41.840 they weren't necessarily directly involved in executing it or orchestrating it. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.320 How important is that going to be the determination of 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.160 that to determine the next step for the Israeli government. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.600 Well, obviously Iran is involved, and obviously Iran is the 0:16:54.640 --> 0:17:00.880 big brain behind activating its proxies. But at the moment 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.880 we have this war to win. The war against Iran 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.720 is something bigger than that. But the international community should 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.920 know the real face of Iran and its proxies through 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.960 those atrocities that Hamas committed in Israeli innocent people, including 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.239 children and elderly. I just can I say something, just 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.200 because my country is now in a point where a thousand, 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.320 almost a thousand funerals are going to take place in 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.640 the coming few days. This is a number we've never 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.680 seen in our lifetime in one day. The President said 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.640 yesterday that since the Holocaust, we never experienced a reality 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.080 where so many Jews were killed in one day. And 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.399 I'm looking at those stories. The Times has in the 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.480 front page the ked And family, Jonathan and Tamal, the 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:52.520 beautiful twins, their son, they were all murdered in one day, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.800 think about those families that were destroyed because of this 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.440 barbaric attack. I think this is the date to mourn 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.160 with the Israelis that lost their dear ones they loved once, 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:08.920 those children being executed in front of their parents, those 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.720 are days to support Israel, and I think this is 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.280 why I'm coming here to speak to you and all 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.919 the people that care about the future Western civilization. Israel 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.760 is in the frontline of this Western civilization, surrounded by 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.840 very radical people, and we need to fight back and 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.280 we need the world support in this very justified war. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.879 Ambassador, thank you so much for joining Bloomberg today. Ambassador 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.680 hotol Israelly, Ambassador to the United Kingdom, and our Queen 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.639 Victoria Street Studios. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.600 With the Surround the Table. Stuart Kaiser had a US 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.840 secrety trading strategy over City, said this a few times 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.560 already this week. We'd be waking up on Monday talking 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.000 about the jobs report from Friday, the fact that the 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:54.760 data is good and we're talking about something, ask we 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:56.720 just sit on the data for a moment. Good news, 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.800 good news for the team. You've said that a few times. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:18:59.960 It look like it was on Friday. 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.520 Yeah, I think we're still in that camp. I was 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.480 a little surprised by the response on Friday. I thought, 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.480 with the jobs over that was so strong, you know, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.840 we might see bond volatility kind of hold equities back 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.240 for a bit. It held them back for about fifteen minutes, 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:12.760 and then you know, we kind of went back to 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.160 one more operation. So as we sort of said, Friday 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.480 encapsulated our view on how markets are going to respond 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.880 to this data, which is, if the data is very strong, initially, 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:21.359 you might get yield higher and that could be a 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.800 headwind for equities. But big picture, equities like a stronger economy, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:26.840 and you would expect them to kind of, you know, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:28.720 reorient to that as well. And I think both both 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.520 pay rolls at the ISM report last week, you know, 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.120 kind of played into that narrative. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:37.480 Start Upsico reports third quarter results, raises full year EPs, 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.239 and provides initial constructive twenty twenty four outlook. I'm going 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:43.760 to go back to your phrase, which I love it. 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:45.880 It's a typical phraseency from a. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.680 Guy like you. Solid growth. Okay, what does that mean? 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.479 I mean you are the optimist people right now are 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.640 scared stiff for eight different reasons to find solid. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.399 I think for at this point solid would be, you know, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.879 you don't go into recession, right, you get an actual 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.480 soft landing that doesn't include negative growth from a job's perspective. 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.920 You know that's going to be you know, payrolls stay 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.399 stay positive, unemployment rates stays below four and a half percent, 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.200 and you can get kind of a real soft landing. 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:15.959 I think you know your comments on PEPSI. I think 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:17.880 the probably most important thing there is they're talking about 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.600 twenty four right, and you know, if Corporate America has 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.680 to do what the FED did, which was basically revised 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.879 up twenty twenty four, I think that's your goal case. 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.479 If they re made very cautious on that growth, you know, 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.720 going into next year, then we'll probably have something to 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:30.120 worry about. 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.480 And Lisa just headline, I missed this Within all the 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.560 newsflow we've got, PepsiCo still sees fiscal year organic revenue 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:41.960 growth of ten percent. I three years ago, I never 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.160 envisioned that, not once double digit revenue growth. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:45.880 That's stunning. 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.320 This is the reason why the idea of them revising 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.240 their expectations upward the similar to the FED, you think 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.000 is good news. How important is JP Morgan and their 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.640 earnings on Friday going to be in setting your expectations 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:57.879 and setting your forecasts. 0:20:58.240 --> 0:20:58.400 Yeah. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.359 I think the bank earners in general, you're going to 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:01.960 be very very important. You know, what do they do 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:03.840 on reserves again will be important. You know, how do 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:05.639 they talk about the deal calendar? I think is going 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.520 to be incredibly important. And you know, we've had a 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.119 lot of headlines recently on capital requirements. You know how 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.760 they kind of message that I think will be important 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.040 as well. You know, banks have been a really really 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.199 tricky sector. I think folks are frustrated that yields are 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.600 rising and banks aren't performing as well. I think the 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.120