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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, November twelfth, and man, ohman,

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Speaker 2: do we have a stacked night of headlines? What a

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Speaker 2: day it has been that the government is officially open

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Speaker 2: and the Epstein saga is heating up as his estate

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Speaker 2: releases more emails. And Congresswoman Grihalva has finally finally been

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Speaker 2: voted in and she is in fact going to be

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Speaker 2: the two hundred and eighteenth vote needed to have more

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Speaker 2: files and transparency when it comes to the Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Debate, and man, it is a debate today.

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Speaker 2: We have so much to unpack with that. Also, veter

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Speaker 2: in trial attorney Jarrett Farantino, our very favorite prosecutor, joins

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Speaker 2: us again today and he's going to be breaking down

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Speaker 2: the latest in the Melody Buzzard case. Obviously, that's the

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Speaker 2: nine year old who has been missing Mom Ashley in

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Speaker 2: court today under some very unique circumstances, in very different

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Speaker 2: charges than we were expecting, and we'll also get his

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Speaker 2: thoughts on pop star David why has there not been

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Speaker 2: an arrest? And in the Epstein case, what universe are

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Speaker 2: we living in?

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 2: It feels as though the world is upside down, and

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Speaker 2: if you are feeling that way, please jump in join us,

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Speaker 2: pull up a chair at our proverbial table, because we

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Speaker 2: want to hear from you eight eight age three one

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Speaker 2: top right hand corner, or you could always dim us.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Leidecker here, of course, with Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: Body move in.

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Speaker 2: We have Tam Taha, Sam and Adam in the booth

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Speaker 2: and I'm a little riled up tonight.

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Speaker 3: What is going on in the air?

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Speaker 4: Something's going on. I feel different. We were talking.

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Speaker 5: I feel different. I feel like something that dimensions have shifted.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, there's something happening, and today solidifies it.

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Speaker 5: I woke up this morning, first thing on my phone,

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Speaker 5: alert baby this these emails, and I was like, oh

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Speaker 5: my god, Stelani, you were the first one I thought of.

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Speaker 5: And then I went to my text message and guess

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Speaker 5: what you had already sent it.

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Speaker 6: I was like.

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Speaker 2: I always hesitate to send things to early nobody els

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Speaker 2: that early morning buzz was. It felt like it was

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Speaker 2: breaking and it was big. And again, we are not

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Speaker 2: a political show. Let me just again just restate that

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Speaker 2: even when we started this show, we were really clear

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Speaker 2: to say, actually we're the opposite of a political show.

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Speaker 3: We are not.

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Speaker 2: And then just by you know, bad luck of the draw,

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Speaker 2: every case that we talk about happens to be political.

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Speaker 2: We are a justice show and a victim forward show.

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Speaker 3: And I guess that's.

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Speaker 2: Why everybody's all riled up, because I think no matter

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Speaker 2: where you sit in any of it, we can all

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Speaker 2: agree raise your hand that pedophilia is bad and those

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Speaker 2: are involved should see time and be persecuted for it.

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Speaker 2: And we just need those answers. So, Courtney Armstrong, how

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Speaker 2: are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm okay.

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Speaker 7: The universe being off kilter has not yet affected me personally.

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Speaker 3: We'll wait and see.

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Speaker 4: Traveling your direction right now, That's that's what I understand.

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Speaker 7: But I did want to say, Stephanie, you know you

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Speaker 7: said all of these stories are political, and I disagree

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Speaker 7: they involve politicians and they involve politicians on both sides.

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Speaker 3: We are speaking about crimes.

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Speaker 2: Correct, their names are embroiled in so anyway, that's a

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Speaker 2: great point. What a great distinction, Courtney Armstrong. Way to

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Speaker 2: be the voice of reason there. I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: And you are correct. Isn't there also like a solar

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Speaker 2: flare or something? Bananas happening?

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Speaker 4: Listen these auroras?

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Speaker 3: I mean that.

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Speaker 5: So it's it's got to do with like the Earth

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Speaker 5: is because the solar flares like disrupt that shield, and

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Speaker 5: that's what you're seeing because it's at the polls. Well,

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Speaker 5: I don't know what's going on. I'm not a scientist,

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Speaker 5: you guys, I don't know. But I watched a lot

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Speaker 5: of Discovery Channel, but you know, and that's how I

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Speaker 5: know this. But I guess maybe the solar flares are

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna say it's probably the solar flares are a

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Speaker 5: little bit stronger right now. And maybe that's why it

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Speaker 2: And if there is a scientist amongst us listening at

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Speaker 2: lease tell us what's doing because everything seems to you.

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Speaker 3: But it's true.

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Speaker 5: I've seen the best pictures come out from people from

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, Denver, they say, or just sort of the

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Speaker 4: Wow, unbelievably beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Send us some pictures. We all want to see them.

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Speaker 4: I don't have them.

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Speaker 3: I don't see them.

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Speaker 2: If anybody wants to share it, please do Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then yeah, these new allegations in the Epstein saga are

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Speaker 2: pretty staggering, you know, Courtney, you want to give us

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Speaker 2: the synopsis, absolutely, and it is a lot of information.

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Speaker 7: Over twenty thousand pages of documents have come out. This

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Speaker 7: includes images and emails, and these were released by the

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Speaker 7: House Oversight Committee today. Of course, all of these relate

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Speaker 7: to convicted pedophile Jeffrey Ebstein, and these emails detailed communication

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Speaker 7: between Ebstein, Giele and Maxwell and others, and some of

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Speaker 7: them alleged that President Donald Trump spent time with a

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Speaker 7: victim at Epstein's residence. Initially, the name was redacted to

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Speaker 7: since come out that it was Virginia Dufray.

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Speaker 4: Oh it was Oh, yes, I didn't see that update.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Yes, it's very important to note that both Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump and the White House deny categorically any wrongdoing.

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Speaker 3: In other news.

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Speaker 7: If people are interested in more transparency, Representative Adalita Gravalda

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Speaker 7: of Arizona has been sworn in, and if everyone sticks

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Speaker 7: to the votes that they had, she indeed will be

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Speaker 7: the decisive two hundred and eighteen signature that will move

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Speaker 7: the petition forward and that would release the investigation files.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to stick by why I said, it's not

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Speaker 5: going to happen. So somebody's going to switch their vote.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, that's actively happening real time. Phone

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Speaker 5: calls are being made, you know, within the administration to

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Speaker 5: add some context to this, Okay, So here come the emails, right,

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Speaker 5: So the emails were redacted. And to your point, Virginia Guffrey,

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Speaker 3: She's been sort of the big face.

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Speaker 2: Of the Epstein sex trafficking trial. Especially she lost her

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Speaker 2: life by suicide in April of twenty nineteen, No, no,

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Speaker 2: April of this year, rather, so you know, again months ago,

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Speaker 2: redacted name. So there's two sides of this one, you know,

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Speaker 2: Summer saying that as a result, she has publicly said

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Speaker 2: that she thought Trump was friendly. That's how she referred

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Speaker 2: to him in her book, her recent memoir post Mortem,

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Speaker 2: and then other times we heard her co writer do

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Speaker 2: And then the other side of it is, wasn't Trump

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Speaker 2: calling this a hoax? This entire thing was just a

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Speaker 3: And I think that's where we're.

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Speaker 2: All getting a little stuck in, lost in the sauce

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Speaker 2: on the messaging Nobody is suggesting necessarily or at least

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not or not even inferring that our president

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Speaker 2: of the United States was involved in a sex trafficking ring.

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Speaker 2: Let's assume that's not the case. Let's pray that's not

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Speaker 2: the case. Bigger is that he was denying that it

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Speaker 2: even existed. And this is pure fact that he knew

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Speaker 2: that it did. And is that, in and of itself horrifying?

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Speaker 2: How is it possible that things like this are getting

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Speaker 2: covered up at the highest level? And Trump himself is

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Speaker 2: the one who campaigned on the visibility and the transparency

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Speaker 2: that victims across America were finally going to get the

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Speaker 2: final word, and then that got rescinded in such a

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Speaker 2: big way. And is this why? And to what end?

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Speaker 2: What else is in there? And I don't know why

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Speaker 2: we're not getting a full a full look.

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Speaker 5: I don't know either. This is true Crimesonight and I

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Speaker 5: Heeart Radio. If you want to weigh in on this,

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Speaker 5: give us a call eight to eight thirty one crime

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Speaker 5: or leave us a talkback on the iHeart Radio app. Stephanie,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate just for yes, please do,

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Speaker 5: please do I've only seen a couple of the emails.

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Speaker 5: I had such a busy day and one of them said,

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Speaker 5: you know, Trump spent time with Blank. All right, Now,

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Speaker 5: that doesn't mean they spent time doing something terrible. What

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Speaker 5: if they were just in the same room.

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Speaker 3: Correct, right? And Blank is Virginia Goufrey.

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Speaker 5: Right, So it doesn't say like he did anything nefarious, right,

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Speaker 5: he just says it just says he spent time hours okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean they even spoke, right, or does it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's insinuating that there was time spent and

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Speaker 2: therefore he obviously knew who she was. Okay, other than

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Speaker 2: just the very dismissive thing. Remember she used to work

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Speaker 2: Her father was a grounds keeper of some sword had

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Speaker 2: a job at mari A Lago and then allegedly, allegedly,

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Speaker 2: allegedly Epstein basically plucked her from there and you know,

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Speaker 2: coerced her to become his messeuse and then brought her

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Speaker 2: to the island. And we know the story from there

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Speaker 2: add all sex TRACKI picking shenanigans. Yes, So to your point,

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Speaker 2: they could have been you know, just you know, staring

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Speaker 2: You know, who knows. It's not even the point. The

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Speaker 2: real point is that there was a knowingness, that there

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Speaker 2: was real knowledge that this operation was happening. And how

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Speaker 2: at the highest level it's being coordinated against you. And

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Speaker 2: I just am heartbroken, honestly to find out that the

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Speaker 2: assertion that there was no knowledge of any of this,

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Speaker 2: that in and of itself feels to be untrue at

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Speaker 2: this point. You know, remember the birthday book and there

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Speaker 2: was that picture with you know, like you know, Trump

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Speaker 2: that was the case. How does that track? And if

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Speaker 2: you didn't really know her and you weren't at all

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Speaker 2: involved with Epstein whatsoever, it seems as though there's a

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Speaker 2: timeline to suggest that you were. And I guess that's

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Speaker 2: the biggest pummer of all of it, because if anybody

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Speaker 3: They should be doing time.

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Speaker 2: And why would our top dog, our president, prevent that

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Speaker 7: Well, what the White House has said is actually very

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 2: If if anybody in the sun of my voice has

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Speaker 2: This is a sex trafficker, He is a convicted sex trafficker.

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Speaker 4: Keep right here, True Pritime.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 3: Down for Jareded. We got to write that down for Jareded.

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Speaker 2: So we think Wednesdays are going to, you know, casually

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Speaker 3: The guy for you.

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Speaker 2: And we played this talk back yesterday, so we want

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Tah, let's hear it.

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Speaker 10: Hello Michelle with one elf here, And I am really

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Speaker 3: So why why has that happened yet?

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Speaker 11: Think you love your show?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we love you too, Yeah, buddie, Do you want

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Speaker 5: So, Melody Buzzard is a nine year old little girl

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Speaker 5: She had court today. She entered a not guilty plea

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Speaker 11: Well, first of all, it's a pleasure to be with

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Speaker 11: The fact that she didn't report even the discovery of

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Speaker 9: Let her out.

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Speaker 3: Why else will she give up the goods?

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Speaker 2: If she's allowed to just go home home and walk free,

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Speaker 5: Basically, the judge is saying that the charge of false

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Speaker 9: Is that the interesting my body.

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Speaker 11: That's that's incorrect. The judge's position on that is incorrect

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Speaker 3: What the heck happened here? Jared? This is why we

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Speaker 2: He's the guy, because you want somebody like Jarrett fighting

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Speaker 5: Well, the Santa Barbara County District Attorney is very upset,

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we still don't know where Melody is.

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Speaker 3: She's nine years old. She's someplace. God willing safe and sounds.

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Speaker 3: She can just want under and be free. How does

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Speaker 5: Right, it's right. Well, that's that's a good question. Does

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 11: So, first of all, she got triggered by the fact

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Speaker 11: going on here, but those factors, the door being locked

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Speaker 11: and a weapon in the room are the aggravators that

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Speaker 11: graduated to a felony. Good prosecution there getting teeth to

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Speaker 11: the charge and it's related the fact that Melody was

443
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Speaker 11: missing and he poked her and triggered her talking about

444
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Speaker 11: a particular location. I would backdoor that into the prosecution, right, yeah,

445
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 11: I would too.

446
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a lawyer, but yeah, if only you

447
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: were in charge, because what you're saying, if you were

448
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: a judge, it feels like such common sense.

449
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Speaker 3: Yep.

450
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Speaker 7: Also common sense is listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio.

451
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Speaker 3: I'm Courtney.

452
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Speaker 7: I'm here as always with Stephanie and Body and we

453
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Speaker 7: are thrilled to be joined by former prosecutor Jarrett Farantino.

454
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Speaker 7: We've been talking about the missing nine year old Melody Buzzard.

455
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Speaker 7: If you want away and give us a call eight

456
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Speaker 7: at eight to three to one Crime and now we

457
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Speaker 7: wanted to ask you a couple of questions about the

458
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Speaker 7: David case with the death of fourteen year old Celeste Revas.

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Speaker 3: All right, so yeah, go ahead, buddy.

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Speaker 5: No, So, authorities are continuing to be continuing to investigate

461
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Speaker 5: the death of fourteen year old Celestreevas.

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Speaker 3: Again.

463
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Speaker 5: She was found in the tesla registered to musician David. Now,

464
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Speaker 5: the LAPD has said that you know, right now, the

465
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Speaker 5: biggest charge they can levy is concealment of a body,

466
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Speaker 5: and when asked, they were asked last week for an

467
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 5: update and their response was refer to our previous update,

468
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Speaker 5: which basically means they haven't they're not releasing anything else.

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Speaker 5: And still the only charge that they're even considering levying

470
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Speaker 5: is concealment of a body. And number one, we don't

471
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Speaker 5: know who that would be against. We don't know if

472
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Speaker 5: it's David or one of his people, or a neighbor

473
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Speaker 5: or a passerby, or totally somebody completely in a different circle.

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Speaker 4: We have no idea.

475
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Speaker 5: But the fact that there's been no update on if

476
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: this is a criminal investigation, is this a murder investigation,

477
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Speaker 5: We don't know anything. Are they looking at the family

478
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 5: because there's evidence that the family of Celestiva Hernandez again,

479
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Speaker 5: she's fourteen years old, new and we're kind of okay

480
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Speaker 5: with her being with David, who is I think twenty

481
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Speaker 5: nineteen or twenty years old. So we just don't know.

482
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Speaker 5: And so that's where the case is right now. There's

483
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Speaker 5: big question marks in the air and nothing is happening.

484
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Speaker 4: There's been no movement. Jared, why do you think no

485
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Speaker 4: charges have yet been filed.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think this case, which I've been following, is

487
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Speaker 11: greatly complicated by the badly decomposed body celestic. So when

488
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 11: you have so, it's almost like a no body homicide situation. Again,

489
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Speaker 11: assuming she was killed or murdered, we don't even know that.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know, right.

491
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Speaker 11: All we know was that that body was in a

492
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Speaker 11: state of severe decomposition. So it tells us a couple

493
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Speaker 11: of things. They have not been able to glean a

494
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Speaker 11: cause and manner of death from just the examination of

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Speaker 11: the body. Does that mean they'll be able to get

496
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Speaker 11: something from tox collogy? That takes time. I don't know.

497
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 11: But when that happens, you have to put your case

498
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 11: together with other circumstances cell phone records, surveillance cameras, black

499
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 11: boxes from Tesla's, things of that nature. They take time.

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Speaker 11: We're talking September eighth to November twelfth. Well, how many

501
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 11: days is that?

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Speaker 8: At?

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Speaker 11: Sixty days? Sixty days?

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Speaker 3: Two months? He seems like forever though. I feel like

505
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: we've been talking about this for months and months and months.

506
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: Where's the talk support?

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Speaker 9: And Well I think that oh go ahead, sorry, no,

508
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 9: please please?

509
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Speaker 11: I just think I think the investigators are holding things

510
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Speaker 11: close to the vest because although it appears they're focusing

511
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 11: on David, if you look at Caleb and Josh Caleb

512
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 11: David's brother, and Josh Marshall, his manager, they've also been

513
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 11: named as people around this president, right right, I mean,

514
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 11: so there are people who who have to be some

515
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 11: One is going to talk here, Okay. I mean I've

516
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 11: broken some pretty tough people over the course of my career,

517
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 11: and I couldn't believe that everybody in David's inner circle

518
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 11: is not unbreakable. Someone's going to talk. Someone knows something

519
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 11: and she was missing for so long. He's the person responsible,

520
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 11: has committed to a story and changed that story, and

521
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 11: it's going to be the way this starts to fall out.

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00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: I want to know how you break them too? You

523
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: go right now? Do you give them the death stare?

524
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 5: How do you?

525
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 3: How do you how do you make people crack under

526
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: pressure of want.

527
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 9: To love this?

528
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 11: Kill them with kindness? Right?

529
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: Coming? All nice?

530
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: Yes, you want some coffee? You offer the back. Yeah,

531
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Speaker 2: I know how this goes down. I've watched my Law

532
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: and Order Me too, me too, Jared?

533
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Speaker 7: Question legally, what would need to happen before investigators can

534
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 7: move from suspicious death to actually calling it a homicide.

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Speaker 11: They have to either scienceifically conclude she was poisoned, shot whatever.

536
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 11: So if they, if they, that's number one. Number two,

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Speaker 11: if you look at the circumstance, if there's statements about

538
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Speaker 11: her death that aren't disproven by the body, and it's

539
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 11: a circumstantial thing. I've seen forensic conclusions that are called

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00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 11: like homicide by history, okay, which sounds strange, but it's

541
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Speaker 11: by the testimony of people that were there. A little

542
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 11: harder to prove, but in this particular situation, that may

543
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 11: be where you end up. So there's two ways to

544
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 11: do it, through science or circumstantial and testament testamentary evidence.

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Speaker 5: Well, I did some research and I compared like how

546
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: long toxology reports come back and at the LA Medical

547
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 5: Examiner's office, and I do bel believe at this point

548
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: they should have gotten them back. Here's what I think.

549
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 5: This is just a theory, Okay, I think that they

550
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 5: weren't enough. I think that they need to test for

551
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: more things. You know, we learn this from Joseph Scott Morgan.

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00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 5: They only do certain they only test for certain things, right.

553
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 5: I think that it came back possibly negative, and they

554
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 5: have to go send it back for more And that's

555
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 5: what we're waiting on right now. That's what I believe, Listen.

556
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 5: I could be wrong, but that's what I think. I

557
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 5: think they're waiting for this more in depth talks results.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also the possibility that maybe because of the

559
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Speaker 2: state of decomposition, that perhaps it is taking longer to

560
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: get that shar psychology back based on the state of

561
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Speaker 2: the corpse.

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00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Ah, So lest our hearts go out to anybody

563
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: who loves her and knew her. It's such a bummer story. Yeah, yeah,

564
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,239
Speaker 3: it really is.

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Speaker 7: And we of course will keep you updated as more

566
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 7: information unfolds. And Jared, we want to thank you as

567
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 7: always for being here and break out, come on, come on,

568
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 7: where you got to be, where you got to.

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Speaker 11: Go, get filled for the whole hour.

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00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: Though Yeah, okay, the lawyer lawyers tail it to the judge.

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00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: Well listen.

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Speaker 7: You can find more of jareded on Instagram at Jarrett

573
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 7: Farentino and also everybody pre order his upcoming book on Amazon.

574
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 7: It is called Mother's Murders and Motivation. I'm so excited

575
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 7: to read it and listen. Thank you, Jarrett Farantino.

576
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: For coming in and breaking down some legal stuff in

577
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: such a great, simple, digestible way. Only he can do

578
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: it that way, So thanks again for coming. We were

579
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: just talking during the break before he had to to go.

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Speaker 2: How does it possibly make sense if I'm a mother,

581
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: I have a nine year old, she's in my care,

582
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: I am the legal custodial parent, and I go on

583
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: a trip and don't come back. I don't have to

584
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: report her missing if she in fact is how is

585
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 2: she missing a crime?

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00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 5: Well, let's let me play Devil's advocate. Your melody, right,

587
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 5: your melody, you're the I'm sorry Ashley. Okay, you're Ashley,

588
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 5: and you dropped her off somewhere, right. You know where

589
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: she's at, right, So why would you report her missing?

590
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: She's not missing. You know exactly where she's at.

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00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: And what do we know?

592
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: She's attending school and doing her schoolwork. No, but she's

593
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: saying three meals a day and basic training. If police

594
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Speaker 2: or authorities come to the house and are like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know there's been some reports, you know, CPS comes

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Speaker 2: by and they're like, there have been some reports that

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Speaker 2: your child has been missing, You're like, no, no, no,

598
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Speaker 2: she's not missing.

599
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: She's just there.

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Speaker 2: You know, at least even Laurie Valo, Crazy Laurie Valo

601
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Speaker 2: and Chad dayvil lri Valo was always giving an excuse,

602
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: Oh she's yonder, those kids are somewhere. In the early days,

603
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: she was like, oh, they're visiting such and such. You know,

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Speaker 2: Ashley's not even giving any kind of a narrative at

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Speaker 2: this point.

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Speaker 3: Is that accurate? Yeah?

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00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, yeah, that's accurate. But again, to in Ashley's eyes,

608
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Speaker 5: my daughter's not missing. Why would I why would I

609
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Speaker 5: call it.

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Speaker 3: In because the whole country is looking for her? Now,

611
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: whoe news. Why are you taking down missing signs? Why

612
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: not just come out and say, hey, guys, she's not missing.

613
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: Well, then maybe just say to everybody, hey, I really

614
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: appreciate everybody's thoughtful concern about my beautiful nine year old daughter,

615
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: whose photo is so gorgeous that we're all missing seeing

616
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 2: her face. I get it, and I'm so grateful. But

617
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: there's no need to worry because she's here, because she's

618
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: visiting so and so, or she's out with such and such.

619
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Speaker 2: Why are you peeling these like missing posters down in

620
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Speaker 2: your front lawn while the whole country is looking for

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Speaker 2: your beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Daughter, right, and again, don't come for me. I'm just like,

623
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Speaker 4: you know, it's not you.

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00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 5: I meant like you know, people listening, I don't actually,

625
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 5: you know, but I really do think mom is kind

626
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 5: of snapped a little bit and really believe she's protecting

627
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 5: her daughter from something.

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Speaker 4: What that is, I you know, I can't.

629
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Speaker 5: I don't know because I'm not crazy yet, but you know,

630
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 5: like I'm on my way there, you know. But again,

631
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 5: she she's protecting Melody from, you know, whether it's CPS

632
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 5: or you know, d CSF was, whatever it is.

633
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 4: And then you know she doesn't want.

634
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 5: To tell the police or the FBI because they're in

635
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: on it too, because when you get these paranoid and

636
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 5: crazy states, you know, you're not going to trust the

637
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: authority because there's the one.

638
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: They're the ones that have to get you. And of

639
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: course this is all in your estimation. Yeah, it's expected

640
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: her to be sobbing in court today. She looked pretty

641
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, she didn't know. Her demeanor was strange. Honest,

642
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: she said a few words. Yeah, she only said good

643
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: morning or or something. Her lawyer entered the plea for

644
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: her and said not guilty, and she didn't really speak.

645
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: I'm really surprised with her.

646
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: Really, it's it's very strange.

647
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Speaker 7: It's infuriating, and I mean a crime has been commissioned,

648
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 7: even if it sure, because even with this schooling, it

649
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 7: is illegal to not have your child in school. And

650
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 7: I'm only I'm harping on this like the irs on

651
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 7: capone to get them on bigger and something bigger. Right,

652
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 7: But even the paperwork, if I you know what I read,

653
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 7: I understood correctly, the correct paperwork was not filed in

654
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 7: order to have melody, Like if they pulled around school,

655
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 7: that's right. If you homeschool, you need to show sure

656
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 7: of actually learning.

657
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Speaker 3: Anyway, it's crazy.

658
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: Making nanas and again CPS, which is child protective Services

659
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: at the bare minimum, if there have been some even

660
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: just rumblings that a nine year old could be in trouble,

661
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: I think it seems appropriate that you would just have

662
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: to say the exact address where my child is and yeah,

663
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: she's going to school, and we're all good in the hood,

664
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: no worries, and that would be completely appropriate. We'd all

665
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: be celebrating.

666
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: But she's not.

667
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: And instead she's like appearing in core quiet and her

668
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: demeanor was so strange, like why is she not either,

669
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: sobbing begging for you know, everybody to you know.

670
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: To lay off even or to help find her daughter,

671
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: Like it seems like there's a nothingness.

672
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Speaker 7: I'm with body, I think that there's been some sort

673
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 7: of mental break, and you know, we'll get more information

674
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Speaker 7: as it comes.

675
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: I think any speculation is and maybe.

676
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 5: It's just Pollyanna like I'm being hopeful. I'm being too

677
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: hopeful that she's just you know, But at the same time,

678
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 5: if that were true, you would think that the person

679
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 5: asks her is like, wait a minute, she's missing. I

680
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: thought I was just babysitting for a couple of weeks

681
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 5: exactly what a good So that concerns me, you know, obviously,

682
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 5: And you know, I know that they're focusing on that

683
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 5: area in Utah, just north of Zion National Park by

684
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: the way. It's gorgeous there and I think it's Junction

685
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 5: Utah's where they're focusing right now.

686
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: So if you're in that.

687
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 5: Area, please do a little Google search for Melody Buzzard

688
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 5: and look at her sweet beautiful face. She's a couple

689
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 5: of years older than that picture, but Lisha'll get an

690
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: idea of what she looks like.

691
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 4: Maybe you'll see her around town.

692
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: I think about her all the time.

693
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: By the way, you're making such a great point that

694
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to get lost.

695
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, so let's just go there for a second.

696
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: Theorizing that melody Mom is basically saying, like, look, the

697
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: reason why I'm not saying where my daughter is is

698
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: because I don't trust any of you clowns.

699
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: She's safe and sound and not missing, right.

700
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 2: Okay, But then, yeah, at some point said missing person

701
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: who has her? Whoever is taking care of sweet nine

702
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: year old Ashley, unless you're living under a rock. You're

703
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: seeing her picture everywhere, wouldn't you get alarmed and think, oh,

704
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: my goodness, I gotta what's going on here? Maybe Mom

705
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: has it wrong. The whole country in the world is

706
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: looking for the girl I'm caring for right now, I

707
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: would be terrified if I was that person. Of course,

708
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: the FBI immediately me.

709
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

710
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 5: But if I'm also a little bit loony, and I've

711
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 5: been communicating with Ashley, we're both a little bit looney.

712
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 5: I'm protecting her. They're not going to find her. I'm

713
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 5: protecting her. I don't know, And again, this is just

714
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 5: my theory. I don't I'm not putting this on anybody else.

715
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 5: This is me only, you know. I'm just I'm trying

716
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: to be hopeful as possible.

717
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: No, it's a really interesting point. It is a really

718
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: interesting point. I hadn't thought of it. By the way,

719
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: if you're just joining us, we are getting all riled

720
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: up all things with Epstein. We want to find Sweet Melody,

721
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: the David the pop star. There have been no new

722
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: developments and either there will be or maybe pop star

723
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: David got a really bad rap.

724
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: And his whole world tour was canceled. I don't know.

725
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: Maybe President Trump is getting a really bad rap and

726
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: it's just death by association, much ado about nothing, or

727
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: you know, this sex trafficking ring under the great Epstein Watch,

728
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: maybe that's.

729
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: Still continuing, which makes me so scared and mad. In fact,

730
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: let's go to a talk back right now.

731
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, hi, I sent it from Canada calling.

732
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 12: I'm just wondering where the big bed IRS is in

733
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 12: all of this with Epstein and Justlyn Maxwell. Keep hearing

734
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 12: how about how much the IRS goes after people, but

735
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 12: yet there's nothing been said from this or happening from

736
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 12: them in regards to this and the money laundering thoughts comments, Thanks,

737
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 12: have a good night.

738
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: Can I snarky? Snarky? Great question, you know, such a

739
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: good question.

740
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 5: And you know in the States, the IRS only goes

741
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 5: after regular people. They don't go after the rich people.

742
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's true they get tax breaks. They don't

743
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 5: get you know, hounded like we do the regular folks.

744
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: But I'm being snarky. That's not the real answer.

745
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: I'm just speaking like.

746
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: It is such a good point.

747
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: Though, why are they not getting flagged? No, it's a

748
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: great paying forty cents on the dollar.

749
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 7: I mean, there's no public investigation because Jeffrey Ebstein himself

750
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 7: is deceased, so it was done. But yeah, the Senate

751
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 7: Finance Committee is actively investigating whether the IRS failed to

752
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 7: audit these suspicious large transactions between Ebstein, So all of

753
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 7: this would be included in the quote Epstein files, of

754
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 7: which we speak of so often. So the answer is

755
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 7: it's written down on pieces of paper we don't yet

756
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 7: have access to.

757
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 5: Right. I work at a casino and you guys know

758
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 5: this and my my day job, and you know there's things,

759
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 5: there's these things called like the MTLs, and this is

760
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 5: like a standard IRS thing, and it's multiple transaction logs

761
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 5: or the CTRS, the cash transaction records, and anything over

762
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 5: three thousand dollars is flagged.

763
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: You have to record him on.

764
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 5: A paper, and you know what, the IRS has to

765
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 5: look at it, you know. And it's just these are

766
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 5: like three thousand dollar transactions, you guys, nothing like the

767
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 5: billions of dollars that are running through the courts or

768
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 5: the banks. And we were talking last night and you

769
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 5: were breaking it down so well, Courtney, and I just

770
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 5: kept thinking about that, like, you know, the people at

771
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 5: the cage have to do these three thousand dollar transactions,

772
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: but they don't even care about these billion dollars.

773
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: Like what's going on?

774
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: It is so true and it's such a good points.

775
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: And again follow this cash right, who's right in all

776
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: these big chats? And like why are all of these

777
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: transactions not being made public record? I think that's the

778
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: smoking gun. We can talk about emails all day all night.

779
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: That's not here nor there. When you really want to

780
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: find where the truth is, it's the bottom line dollar

781
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: and all.

782
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 10: The money right.

783
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 7: Well, Senator Wiland, he has been out of Oregon, has

784
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 7: been conducting for years of follow the Follow the Money

785
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 7: investigation into Ebstein, and it has highlighted some of which

786
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 7: we did cover the other night. Billions of dollars in

787
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 7: suspicious transactions as well as significant h tax planning performed

788
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 7: by Ebstein. And let us keep in mind he is

789
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 7: not a licensed accountant or tax attorney, so let's just

790
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 7: know that, and he's been doing this, and yeah, the

791
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 7: committee staff did find that there were these questionable things,

792
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 7: and there was for example, it was a billionaire Leon Black,

793
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 7: and there was a payment from him to Ebstein for

794
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 7: purported tax services. But that payment helped this billionaire Black

795
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 7: avoid over a billion dollars in gift and estate taxes,

796
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 7: and that was never audited by the irs, apparently.

797
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 5: What I mean, But I'm I'm three days late. I'm

798
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: getting audited for fifteen years, you know what I mean, like.

799
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: Never, And they're like, oh, yeah, there's the receipt from

800
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: Friendly's ice Cream back in eighty five. You know, literally

801
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: you don't have the cash receipt. Like it's just such

802
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: a bummer. It just stinks like being like on the

803
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: other side of the you know, regular folk thing. It

804
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: just seems so unfair. It's fair beyond measure, and you

805
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: want the most unfair cherry on top of this. I

806
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: wish it was a friendly Sunday. By the way, I

807
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: really did love friendly Jim.

808
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: Dandy, good lord.

809
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 7: Okay, but here's the here's the garbage cherry on top

810
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 7: of this Sunday. So Ebstein's estate itself received Brace Yourselves

811
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 7: one hundred and twelve one hundred and twelve million dollars

812
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 7: in a tax orfund from the IRS. And that was

813
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 7: in early twenty twenty five this year. And that was

814
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 7: primarily due to assets being overvalued after his death and

815
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 7: before they were sold for less. So his estate received

816
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 7: over one hundred million dollars as a refund.

817
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: As a refund for all that sex trafficking. Just like, well,

818
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean that dropped the mic there top the mic.

819
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's not.

820
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 5: Only not only are or is he getting away with

821
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 5: all this money laundering or we know whatever is going

822
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 5: on with this money, but he's also sex trafficking kids.

823
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, and where is the money coming from?

824
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 5: And that's the key, right the key to all this

825
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 5: is where that money is coming from?

826
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 9: Correct?

827
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm at the point right now where

828
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 5: it's like it's compromise, it's it's it's he's working for

829
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 5: a foreign country or something.

830
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: At this point, I don't know. I think he's a

831
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 3: devil spy or something.

832
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: You know, is it possible that he's just you know,

833
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: playing all sides, honey potting, all of them has, you know,

834
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: all the big names under his watch, and no one's

835
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: going to be able to tell me otherwise at this point,

836
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: speaking of we have Hayley Robson tomorrow with us. She

837
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: is an Epstein survivor who's going to bring us all

838
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: kinds of clarity and we are so grateful to have her.

839
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: She has been fighting the fight and keeping her word

840
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 2: out there on behalf of her own experience and the many,

841
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: many survivors of Epstein. And look, you know, the timing

842
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: is everything, you know, when we come back, I know

843
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: we're on borrow time before the break, but I would

844
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: like to talk through sort of the mechanics of maybe

845
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: what happens from here now that we know, you know,

846
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: we have the two hundred and eighteenth air quotes signature

847
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 2: needed to compel the House Committee to you know, get

848
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: those files released in full transparency. Doesn't appear that that

849
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: will be happening until what the first week in December,

850
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: and there are some reasons for that.

851
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: It's a couple of weeks. Why so, But couldn't they

852
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: just do it right now?

853
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: Well, they got they gotta go through this period, which

854
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 5: we're going to talk about coming up in the next segment.

855
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: Well, I gets procedure. I guess, I don't know.

856
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: And then at a holiday and.

857
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 5: Just saying the other day, they're gonna they're gonna find

858
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 5: some loophole. They're going to find something to prevent this

859
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 5: from happening.

860
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: Yes, here we go.

861
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 2: It's buckle up, because I gotta tell you. Even last

862
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: night after the show, I was like, all right, you

863
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: gotta cool it. Let's put a pin in all the

864
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: Epstein talk, you know. I I gotta simmer myself down.

865
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: I went to sleep being like, enough, I'm going to

866
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: put you on.

867
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: A five day hiatus. You're not allowed to say the

868
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: word Epstein out loud.

869
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 7: And then I woke up to like, yeah, come on,

870
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 7: do you know what this actually broke after we were

871
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 7: on air, I'm seeing this on Politico. So Speaker Mike

872
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 7: Johnson said that he plans to hold a House vote

873
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 7: next week on the measure that will mandate the full

874
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Speaker 7: disclosure of the Justice Department files relating to Jeffrey Epstein,

875
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 7: and this timeline has moved up and they were like discharge.

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00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 3: All the files are gone. It's not surprise, So I

877
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: mean that is there was a fire.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's very promising, though not to rain on

879
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: that parade. That is promising. That's also surprising. I'm glad

880
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: to hear that.

881
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: Great.

882
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: Well, then that's just next week. That will be before

883
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe there is some swiftness to be

884
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: had injustice. And you know, listen, Frankly, you know, President Trump,

885
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: none of what we're seeing in the emails is all

886
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: that bad. It's just showing that there was a knowingness.

887
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: Who is bad in there?

888
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 6: Right?

889
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: What is above that? Listen, you gotta stick with us.

890
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,879
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891
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00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,080
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894
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895
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897
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904
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,080
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905
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Speaker 2: we missing? What are we getting wrong?

906
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: Sound off? Tell us everything.

907
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 5: So maybe you have a theory on something that we

908
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Speaker 5: haven't considered. Let us exactly a great exactly exactly.

909
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Speaker 6: So.

910
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been also a couple of other bizarre stories

911
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: in the news that are we just don't want to

912
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: you know, miss or you know, not get of their

913
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: proper say too.

914
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: So body, where should we begin?

915
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, So this is like a really really sad and

916
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 5: bizarre case. This is like an emergent. This is the

917
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 5: emerging case of twenty four year old Erica Batter. Her

918
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 5: death has triggered both a criminal investigation and a major

919
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 5: animal rescue operation in Rhode Island. Erica's remains were discovered

920
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 5: in a wooded area in Pawtucket, but investigators say her

921
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 5: body has been moved, which is terrifying, right, and this

922
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 5: raised immediate red flags. The discovery has quickly pointed detectives

923
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 5: towards a home on Central Street in Central Falls, a

924
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 5: place where Erica had reportedly been spending time in the

925
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 5: week's leading up to her death. Six people connected to

926
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Speaker 5: that address have now been charged, but not with homicide,

927
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 5: but was failing to report a death. One of them,

928
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 5: Brittany Turpining, faces an additional charge of domestic felony assault,

929
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 5: but the story does not and there When authority researched

930
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 5: the home, they found something pretty shocking and horror horrifyingly sad.

931
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Speaker 5: Dozens of neglected animals living in filthy conditions. The Rhode

932
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Speaker 5: Island SBCA removed around forty five cats, several pregnant females,

933
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Speaker 5: and four dogs. Officers have described the home as overwhelmed

934
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 5: with animal waste, lacking food, water, and basic care. The

935
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 5: smell of ammonia was so strong that investigators had to

936
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 5: wear protective masks just to safely move through the rooms.

937
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 5: The rescue was so larged it doubled the shelter's capacity overnight.

938
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Speaker 5: I mean imagine being these workers at this stage. Investigators

939
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 5: haven't released Erica's cause or manner of death, and it's

940
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Speaker 5: still unclear what role, if any, the people that you

941
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Speaker 5: know have been affiliated with this played in her death

942
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 5: beyond failing to report it. But the connection or the

943
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 5: combination of Erica's death, the movement unformbody, and the discovery

944
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 5: of this extreme animal neglect has turned this into a

945
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Speaker 5: multi layered investigation involving both law enforcement and animal welfare officials.

946
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 5: As this case unfolds, like a lot of big questions

947
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 5: remain right who moved Erica's body, what exactly has been

948
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 5: happening inside that house? And will additional charges follow other

949
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 5: than related to the treatment of the animals? Obviously we

950
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 5: know that's going to happen, right, but what other charges

951
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 5: are going to be on board for the people that

952
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 5: are connected with this home.

953
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Speaker 2: It's more curious, do we know body if that thirty

954
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: four year old Brittany Herpening, the one with the domestic

955
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: assault charge, do we know if that charge is against

956
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Speaker 2: the actual victim, Erica Batter.

957
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Speaker 3: Or just that she is facing this charge in some capacity.

958
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 5: She's facing that charge in some capacity, I'm not sure.

959
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 5: I would imagine it's not related to Erica, but I

960
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 5: could be completely hurt, right, Yeah, this is an ongoing investigation.

961
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 5: It's happening in real time, so as details come out, well, well,

962
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 5: of course be following this one up. I have a

963
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 5: special interest in this one, obviously because of the animals.

964
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: But yes, of course it's like hits us all right,

965
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: that's awful.

966
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Speaker 5: And you know, I would like to know what made

967
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Speaker 5: law enforcement think her body had been moved. I mean,

968
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Speaker 5: that's that kind of stuff is interesting to me, you know,

969
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 5: like the forensics of it all, you know, like what

970
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 5: indication Because I'm really interested. One of the things about

971
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 5: true crime that I'm always fascinated by is like the

972
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 5: science behind people get caught doing bad things. I just

973
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 5: I love that stuff. So I'll definitely be following up

974
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 5: on this one.

975
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And it sounds like several of the victim's friends

976
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 7: had called Central Falls police back in April and they

977
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Speaker 7: wanted a wellness check because they feared she was being mistreated.

978
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 5: Oh really yeah, I missed that really, so they well,

979
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 5: maybe it is related then maybe this charge of this Brittany,

980
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 5: maybe it is related to Erica.

981
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Speaker 3: But who would move the body? Again? I don't mean

982
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: you imagine the panic of moving a dead.

983
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: Way, it cannot so heavy, so scary. So I mean,

984
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: we're already off the off the rails. If you're talking

985
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: murder and there's a dead person, and then the next

986
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: layer of like, oh here, now we're going to move

987
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: the body or I'm going to move the body. That's

988
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Speaker 2: where you Oh my goodness. I can't even imagine. How

989
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: does anybody get away with that? How?

990
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

991
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 5: I don't know. I wonder if it's something like not innocent,

992
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 5: because there's no innocence in this. But I wonder if

993
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 5: it's something like she died in the home due to

994
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 5: natural causes, maybe because of the conditions of the house,

995
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 5: and the girl moved her out, because yeah, something like that.

996
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: But I don't know. We're gonna find out.

997
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 11: But yeah.

998
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 7: Several friends and some who've asked to remain anonymous out

999
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 7: of fear for their safety, did call least multiple times.

1000
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Speaker 3: Did they go allegedly.

1001
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 7: A lot of saying they kept saying they looked into it,

1002
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 7: this person said, but nothing was done.

1003
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: This is again just the local news. Ten I'm getting

1004
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: this from right.

1005
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 7: And another friend said that Erica's face at some point

1006
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 7: did look bruise and I also reported on what I'd seen.

1007
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 7: I never got callbacks on anything interesting.

1008
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: So this is I think you're.

1009
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: Exactly right body to keep our eyes on this.

1010
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 9: This is this is a new one. And what I

1011
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 9: forgot to mention to you guys, this was a case suggestion.

1012
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 9: It came as a a talk factor, it didn't and

1013
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 9: they asked us to kind of look into this one.

1014
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one really, you know, that's great.

1015
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 5: I love that taha that it was from a talkback

1016
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 5: because they really know the kind of cases that we're

1017
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 5: interested or that I'm interested in at least, like, yeah,

1018
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 5: this is a animals and possible domestic violence.

1019
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: Body needs to know about this one. Yeah, how big

1020
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 3: is the house though, Like, that's a lot of animals,

1021
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 3: a lot.

1022
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 4: Of well it's a lot of people too, six people, six.

1023
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: People and that many animals. So this is like a mansion.

1024
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be like a I.

1025
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Speaker 9: Don't I don't think it's as largest. I think I

1026
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 9: think it's I don't think it was a large place.

1027
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 9: I think that's part.

1028
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 5: Well, it's an apartment building and six residents at this

1029
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 5: apartment building, so I think it's just an apartment stuff.

1030
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 5: With all these animals, they still think about it.

1031
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 9: Wow, that even an apartment with like, let's say, and

1032
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 9: animals is a lot. So we're now right fifty, that's right.

1033
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: It's like unimaginable. That's like an arc.

1034
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 5: I have two while I have three because of my

1035
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 5: my cat that she's inside outside, but I have two dogs,

1036
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 5: and I feel overwhelmed at times.

1037
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: I cannot imagine that when.

1038
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: When the cat is inside outside, does the cat just

1039
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: come back?

1040
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: She was? She feels like it.

1041
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 5: The cat that I have was here when I moved in,

1042
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 5: and she she was just a stray. Yeah, she was astray,

1043
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 5: and I started feeding her and she became my cat basically,

1044
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 5: so I took her and got her fixed and she

1045
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 5: just uses the doggy door.

1046
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 4: She's like, okay, I live here now, so yeah, Mochi.

1047
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, Mochi. I'm just about to ask what her name is.

1048
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 7: I do think cat people are a particular breed. I'm

1049
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 7: not trying to make a horrible pun because of what

1050
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 7: you just says, Stephanie. I don't understand like my cousin

1051
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 7: Ali has a cat, and like so.

1052
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 3: Many people, they'll go away and then come back. I mean,

1053
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I'm nervous, right I have I

1054
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 3: feel nervous for already know where she's.

1055
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: Going right now, hopefulness, or I don't know something that

1056
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: I'm not equipped with.

1057
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 5: She wears she wears a breakaway collar because cats like

1058
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 5: climb trees and whatnot.

1059
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 4: I don't want her choking.

1060
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: She's all day.

1061
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 4: She she has an air tag on her collar.

1062
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 9: Oh I like that.

1063
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 5: I never I've literally never had to use it because

1064
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 5: she always comes home.

1065
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 4: I mean she always does.

1066
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: This is for dinner.

1067
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I shake take the thing and she comes running.

1068
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 5: I have a big box of temptation treats. I shake

1069
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 5: it and she comes running.

1070
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 9: In, she comes down the street.

1071
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like.

1072
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 5: I had to I had to get I had to

1073
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 5: put a little bell on her collar because she was

1074
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 5: killing lizards and I love lizards, and she was bringing

1075
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 5: them to me and I was like, no, door.

1076
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: She was bringing lizards to the dog door.

1077
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 5: Huge ones I'm taking and she's tiny, huge among thiss lizards.

1078
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, hell, she loves you so much.

1079
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 4: Those I had to chase like they were like wiggling,

1080
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 4: they were alive.

1081
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: Dude, No, no, no, what are you doing that situation?

1082
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: Tell put a bell on its time to move the

1083
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: bell on their.

1084
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 5: Collar, because that's they can't sneak up on their prey anymore.

1085
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 4: So you put a bell on.

1086
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 9: Their collars, the rust.

1087
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: Get it.

1088
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 4: I don't want her. I don't want her to hurt animals.

1089
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Speaker 5: Come on, can you imagine? Can you guys imagine that headline?

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Speaker 5: Don't f with cat star kills lizards?

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00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 3: You you know, like a lizard.

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Speaker 5: You can't cover the tabloids, Absolutely not, absolutely not anyway,

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00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 5: So we're gonna we're gonna be following up on this

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00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 5: story for sure because it's it's very, very interesting.

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00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of layers to this,

1096
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 7: so listen, this, of course is true crime tonight. I'm Courtney,

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00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 7: and I'm so lucky to be here with Body Movement

1098
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 7: and Stephanie Leidecker and with Taha and Adam and Samuel

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 7: in the control room.

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Speaker 3: So we just.

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00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 7: Finished talking about what Broddy brought up, the twenty four

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00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 7: year old eric A batter, and now we wanted to

1103
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 7: actually move on to another story that's been in the news.

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00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 7: There's not ten tons of information, but we wanted to

1105
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 7: just start it. So a federal investigation continues. There's been

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00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 7: an unexplained death with eighteen year old Anna Koepner. This

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00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 7: happened to board the Carnival Horizon cruise, So there's again

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00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 7: not let out a lot of information. FBI is leading

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00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 7: the investigation, Carnival is cooperating, Her family understandably is asking

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00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 7: for privacy amid a lot of public speculation. And you know, again,

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00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 7: Anna is just an eighteen year old who is a

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00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 7: high school senior from to a cheerlead Florida.

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00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a cheerleader.

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00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 7: There has been some videos a beautiful young girl, and

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00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 7: authorities haven't released details about the cause or the circumstance

1116
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 7: of her death. But again, the FBI is involved, and

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 7: they first responded to the scene when the cruise ship

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00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 7: docked in Miami, so that you know, that's basically what

1119
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 7: it is. But I'll repeat that the family is urging

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00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 7: the public to not be speculating online. I would imagine

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00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 7: that could be a particular kind of cure to hear

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00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 7: all the oh that's true, potential scenarios for parents.

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00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm always so curious just about the jurisdiction

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00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: piece of it.

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00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: You know, what do they call that?

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00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 9: Mary time time?

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00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 3: But the FBI has.

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Speaker 5: Jurisdiction over that, Like you know what I mean, that

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00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 5: FBI would handle that, right, So is.

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Speaker 9: That probably more than likely? Why the FBI is involved

1131
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 9: because it yeah at sea, So that's their involvement because

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00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 9: I mean, I you know, there's been a lot of

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00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 9: videos or tiktoks and things going around about this case,

1134
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 9: and so it did raise some questions in my mind, like, Okay,

1135
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 9: she is eighteen, so that is unusual, but we don't

1136
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 9: really know her medical history, like maybe there is something

1137
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 9: else true there could be you know, it's possible maybe

1138
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 9: there was some drug use or something. So who knows.

1139
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 9: There's there's a number of things that it's suspicious and

1140
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 9: unusual because she's so young. But I've already come up

1141
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 9: with some idea in my mind of what, you know,

1142
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 9: potentially could be the case, not that there's something nefarious

1143
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 9: that took place.

1144
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: Right, it doesn't have to equal foul play, correct.

1145
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: I guess it's the Netflix documentary that we did for

1146
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: our first Original Networks in Jill Where Is Amy Bradley?

1147
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: That got me all crazy.

1148
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 2: You know, it got me extra concern because you know,

1149
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: sometimes it feels like an investigation could be undermined merely

1150
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 2: by the fact that it's at sea, you know, And yes,

1151
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: the FBI has jurisdiction, but they have to get there.

1152
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: Is there a proper way to be able to secure

1153
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: a scene, a death scene, even if it's not a

1154
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: crime scene. You want to be able to gather all

1155
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: the information humanly possible to make a proper assessment.

1156
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 3: So that can be really tricky on a cruise ship.

1157
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: But it sounds like the Carnival Horizon folks have it

1158
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: all dialed in, thankfully, and.

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 9: They're working with the family and the investigation team.

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01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 5: So and they haven't said and they haven't said like

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01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 5: she died in a cabin or you know.

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01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 7: There have been no details shared about how or when

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01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 7: she died. Remains unclear if foul play is suspected. We

1164
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 7: do know that her body was turned over to the

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01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 7: Miami Dade Medical Examiner's Office for autopsy. Those results have

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01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 7: not been released. There was a statement from a former

1167
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 7: FBI agent, Nicole Parker, who explained that, you know, as

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 7: you mentioned Stephanie, with jurisdiction, cruise ship death cases, they

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01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 7: fall under the special maritime jurisdiction.

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: It does make them complex and multi agency. You know.

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01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: Again, we've now talked about the FBI and the Miami

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01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: Dade Medical Examiner's Office, so they will need to be coordinated.

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01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: But body, yeah, there's been no information even whether I've

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: seen I was traveling alone or with friends, is.

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01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 9: Right, right, That's what I'm curious if she was with

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01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 9: a lot of other young friends or we haven't heard that,

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01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 9: so that may shift how we look at that. But

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 9: and you know, it's not the most uncommon thing that's

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 9: on cruise. I learned that when I was on a cruise.

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01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 9: We were all talking about that before, and I was

1181
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 9: so fascinated when I met a crew member that said, oh,

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01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 9: we have a morgue on board. I'm like, why don't

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01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 9: have a morgue? And they were like, well, quite often

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 9: we have a lot of seniors and sadly some of

1185
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 9: them can't manage the rigorous schedules and someone passes away.

1186
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 9: And I'm like, oh, uh awful, Like so.

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Speaker 3: Terrible or is that terrible or is that the way?

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01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: I mean? Yeah, ways to.

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Speaker 9: Go might not be now with margarita in your hand

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01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 9: as you're listening to you know, Jimmy yeah or something,

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01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 9: So maybe that's not the worst thing in the world.

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Speaker 7: Look kuckar racha, yeah, garacha, indeed, keep it here. We've

1193
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 7: got a lot more coming up True Crime tonight. We'd

1194
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 7: love to hear from you. Eight A eighty three to

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01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 7: one Crime, True Crime Tonight, True Crime all the Time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and iHeart Radio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: with dancing Courtney Armstrong, hair down.

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Speaker 3: And body is putting hers up. No, you're not allowed

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01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: to put it up. It's so beautiful. Let that hair down.

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01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 4: It gets like my earphones.

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01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: Oh you know, for all you long haired ladies. You

1203
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: know again, I love long hair.

1204
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: I I covet it. I have recently cut mine off.

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01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: I feel like my luck really turned around after I

1206
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: did that, So now I'm kind of committed to this

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01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: hideous bob.

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01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 3: However, something you don't know. I'm not missing for a compliment.

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01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 3: I'm just simply saying, if you have it, let it,

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01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 3: let it be.

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01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 11: I do.

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01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 5: I do so beautiful the hear phone, I have the

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01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 5: you know, the in ear headphones, and and I have

1214
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 5: I have a mullet.

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01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 3: You do not have a bullet. That is the silliest thing. No, No,

1216
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 3: I think I love it. I call yeaheah. No, it's

1217
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 3: and it's a female bullet. It's a shallow yeah, you

1218
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: like that is its shell? It is that a thing.

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:01,959
Speaker 3: I've never heard that before.

1220
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 4: It's a shadowland real, Yeah.

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01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,439
Speaker 9: Mullet was a what was it party in the back

1222
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 9: or what was it business.

1223
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: In the party?

1224
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 3: In both, it's a party.

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01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 5: My hair gets caught in the earphones when it's down,

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01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 5: and it hurts, and I don't want to be hurting,

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01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 5: so I put it.

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01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I don't want you to hurt by

1229
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: being so beautiful, but come on, just for my mere

1230
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 2: benefit anyways, it looks great either way either way. So yeah,

1231
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: so this Epstein stuff, can we just like touch base briefly?

1232
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know.

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01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: Maybe tomorrow there'll be no new developments and I'm just

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: going to like euthanize myself tonight.

1235
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: And that will be the end of it.

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01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: But while we're on the topic, just in terms of

1237
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: next steps, because there does seem to be some new developments,

1238
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 2: and Courtney's like voraciously looking at it right now. You

1239
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 2: know one thing that I have to say, though, it

1240
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: just keeps sick with me today. I'm remembering and again

1241
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 2: box on all the houses. I think all of us

1242
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: who can agree that we just all want some transparency everybody,

1243
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: no matter what.

1244
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: Side of it you're on, which is what I love.

1245
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: At the bare minimum. I think we are more united

1246
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: than not.

1247
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 2: But when you remember back when they're well, I guess

1248
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: it was when was when Trump was running against Hillary Clinton?

1249
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: And remember I had that first debate where it was

1250
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: like it was kind of contentious and he was kind of.

1251
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 3: Like circling around her a little bit.

1252
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: And it was like this real agro thing her husband,

1253
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: you know, former Bill Clinton. He's in all like versions

1254
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 2: of this, Yeah, in the epstein of it all, like yeah,

1255
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: it this adds like this weird like added context to

1256
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: that time period, Like did everybody just know this was

1257
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: an open secret and literally everybody just knew about it

1258
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: and looked the other way?

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01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 3: Is that possible? That's in It is literally impossible.

1260
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 4: I know, I think it's totally possible.

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 3: I mean, do you not believe in corruption? I don't know,

1262
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 3: do you? I'm really I don't.

1263
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: I really, I mean I know it exists quite obviously,

1264
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: and we talk about versions of it every single day,

1265
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: but it doesn't ever not bum me out at the

1266
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: core when I'm like, wow, you actually have so much

1267
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: power of influence and greatness.

1268
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 3: Why would you not use that for good? How are

1269
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: you not using it for good or just pure common sense?

1270
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: Why do okay think about it? I mean this is yeah,

1271
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: this is grossly different. But think about people who buy

1272
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: their children's way into colleges buy them.

1273
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 3: Think about that. I mean, that's that's corruption, and that's

1274
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 3: using you know, money. No, I figured her, I forgive her.

1275
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: She's fine, she can be onto allmark all day long.

1276
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 2: I find it unforgivable, but it also happens. I'm never surprised.

1277
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm never surprised. These really are never surprised. No, let

1278
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: me just think for one second. I'm doing a quick

1279
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: cup chat one time that you were surprised in all.

1280
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: The years I know you, I don't really think ever.

1281
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: Actually I'm always the one that's like, oh, they seem awesome.

1282
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: That person seems amazing, and Courtney's like boohiss.

1283
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 5: That phrase absolute power corrupts absolutely right, And that means

1284
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 5: the more power a person has, the more they are

1285
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 5: to become corrupt. So the more powerful you are, you

1286
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 5: you didn't become powerful by being a good person. You

1287
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 5: became powerful by being corrupt, and the more powerful you are,

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01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 5: the more corrupt you are.

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01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 3: I didn't agree, though there are exceptions to the rule.

1290
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: I think money maybe can do that, of course, and

1291
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: there's so many good exceptions to the rule.

1292
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 4: But you know, it comes to some good billionaires.

1293
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 3: Well, like all those billionaires.

1294
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: Even at my Kardashian's party that I wasn't invited to

1295
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: for all the obvious reasons. However, there was like trillions

1296
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: of dollars in that room, and even I, who I'm

1297
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: a fan, was kind of like, you know, it's a

1298
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: little let them eat cake, right, If those guys all

1299
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: just put their little brains together, we could clear up

1300
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: the government mess. We could have the veterans being fed,

1301
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: the homeless shelters cleared out, all of our military being

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Speaker 2: supported appropriately. It does feel a little like, well, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what else to say about that.

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Speaker 9: I thought Bill Gates was Wasn't he a billionaire? He

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Speaker 9: did a lot?

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Speaker 3: I mean he no, I mean his wife. The one

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Speaker 3: that's like is Taylor Swift. She's a goodson to college.

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift a man. I prayed the house of Taylor

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Speaker 2: wait listen. Bill Gates, though his wife is not so

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Speaker 2: happy about him. No, wife, she's the first to throw

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Speaker 2: him under the bus when it comes to Epstein.

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Speaker 3: That's why they divorced. Speaking right now, I'm going to

1313
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Speaker 3: know I was killed.

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Speaker 2: My mother's in the studio today and is like, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna get yourself killed.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, please don't.

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Speaker 2: But no, Bill Gay ex wife was like, I divorced

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Speaker 2: him because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 3: Say loud, no, it's clear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Bill Gates, who.

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Speaker 7: I also have thought about as this wonderful beacon of

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Speaker 7: you know, philanthropy. Right, My mother in law, who is

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Speaker 7: a forensic super well known, internationally known forensic psychologist, and

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Speaker 7: she spent a lot of times literally on death row

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Speaker 7: interviewing people, and so she's she's been, she's seen some stuff.

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Speaker 7: She said that Bill Gates had the scariest, like deadest

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Speaker 7: eyes she's seen, and that is which just shocks me.

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Speaker 7: I have no for nothing further to add, but that

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Speaker 7: was her takeaway. And given her background, that's saying something.

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Speaker 5: And there's a lot of history with Bill Gates and

1332
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Speaker 5: like the open source software movement, I can get into

1333
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 5: all this, but he is not a good person. He's

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Speaker 5: not like in order, like you know, computer hobbyists, you

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01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 5: know that you you need the software to like practice

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Speaker 5: and do things. And when when Microsoft Wirrest kind of

1337
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 5: came out, he wrote an open letter to these hobbyists

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01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 5: that were using his software, and he.

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Speaker 4: Was like, how dare you?

1340
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 7: I mean just not a good person, but like we

1341
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 7: should do a Knight of evil geniuses.

1342
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 4: Next week.

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01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, heads down, yikes, I mean, I'm

1344
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 2: so wow to do it.

1345
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 3: Peter Tiel, is he good?

1346
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: No downs?

1347
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: Best bud?

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Speaker 8: He was in a lot of the email leaks that

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Speaker 8: came out.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and Bill's name is there too, So so far

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Speaker 9: you might be right. We haven't named a good billionaire

1352
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 9: yet other than Taylor, and I don't know. I think, well,

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01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 9: let's let's focus on yes.

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01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: If you anybody listening, also some happy bajillionaires who are

1355
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: putting good in the world, listen.

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 3: Ie kardash like.

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01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 7: Attaching is attaching like Lamb's legs to other animals or

1358
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 7: children to see like how can we keep the human

1359
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 7: race going?

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Speaker 3: He is involved in some very strange stuff.

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 2: He's also been to the island and why is everybody

1362
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 2: at this weird island?

1363
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 3: With Jeffrey Epstein with all this money, I just don't

1364
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,839
Speaker 3: like it. Who is writing the check? Who is writing

1365
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 3: the check?

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01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: If you guys know and we're getting it wrong, I

1367
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 2: would love that to be the case.

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Speaker 3: Please.

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01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 9: Oh, I thought of one Warren, Warren Buffet.

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Speaker 3: He's a warm buffett.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, he's a good billionaire.

1372
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: Maybe, yes, he seems so. Yeah. I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I don't know, and I don't want to talk badly

1374
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 9: about them anymore because I don't want anyone knocking at

1375
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 9: my door.

1376
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 3: And exactly none of us are feeling suicidal. Just f YI.

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01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 2: So well, interesting times. Well, I think we can do better.

1378
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 2: I think that we are all going to see a

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01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 2: change into the right direction, and in our highest and

1380
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: best good, we are all gonna do better.

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Speaker 5: This is true card Tonight on iHeart Radio, we're talking

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 5: true crime all the time. I don't know what we're

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 5: talking about right now. We're talking about does absolute power corrupt? Absolutely?

1384
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 5: Weigh in give us a call eight and eight thirty

1385
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 5: one crime or leave us a talk back on the

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Speaker 5: iHeart Radio app.

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01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, does absolute power corrupt?

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01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely? What do you guys?

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01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 4: I mean for a reason, right?

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01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 10: Does not?

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01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: Okay?

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01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 5: I love the optimism I do. What about you, Court,

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01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 5: I don't know.

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01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 7: I had an I have an interesting background in that

1395
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,879
Speaker 7: I spent the first punk of my childhood Astoria, Queen's

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01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 7: incredibly modest.

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 3: I then moved to Greenwich, Connecticut.

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Speaker 7: It's one of the most moneyed little sections in the country.

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01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 7: So I grew up a money like wealth money, real money,

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01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 7: and people by their way in and out of things

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 7: on every capacity. Oh there's no room on an airplane,

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01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 7: no problem, I'll buy a more expensive ticket and kick

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01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 7: some other jerk off.

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 3: Or it's just sort of every level of it.

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 7: I then went to and I love my college, Trinity College,

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01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 7: my undergraduate I think there were more kids who went

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01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 7: not just to private school, but to boarding school than

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01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 7: to public school, so that I get yeah, Trinity absolutely.

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01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 7: Then it was followed, but I mean I came from

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01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 7: no cash.

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01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: I then went to USC as we mentioned, oh yeah,

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, AKA and University of Spoiled Children, and I

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01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 2: would see I would see that in the attitudes of

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: kids that I was teaching, who were eighteen years old

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01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: and like, my mother's not going to stand for these grades.

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01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 3: Oh right.

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 7: So I don't know, I've just I've been around it

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 7: in such so many small.

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 3: Ways that I've seen, And these are not bad people.

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01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: These are it's just.

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 2: I guess you just yeah, share it. Why not share

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01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: the money. Well that's not like your beloved Kardashians. Well,

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 2: that party didn't feel good, I will say I A

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01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: I just felt like it was like kind of poor taste. Oh,

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01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: Chris Kardashian had her seventieth birthday party, and like all

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01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: of the fancy people you just mentioned were there. They

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 2: were it was said to have like it was that

1428
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos's house. It almost like a trillion dollar net

1429
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: wealth in the room. Even Megan and Harry were there,

1430
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 2: and it was opulent, and it had just sort of

1431
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 2: this vibe of.

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01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 3: In your face a little.

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 3: I mean the government shut down.

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01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 2: People are struggling for real, like real str is are

1436
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: just unimaginable.

1437
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 4: Entries are running out of food, running out.

1438
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 2: Of food, and kids are a little bit like that

1439
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:08,879
Speaker 2: was sort of tone deaf.

1440
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 3: And they just cancel the party.

1441
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, toss it to the military, or toss it to

1442
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: the air traffic controllers who who you know, can't get

1443
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: a day off and can't get paid for the job

1444
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: that they're doing.

1445
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: Rent and can't pay their rent.

1446
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 2: And you know, similarly like I remember when my dad

1447
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: got LEO, there wasn't a time that you could when

1448
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,839
Speaker 2: you're living paycheck to paycheck, you know, four days is everything,

1449
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 2: every day is everything. So I think, yeah, that of touch.

1450
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 4: They have no idea what it's like, no.

1451
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 3: Concept, And I mean that's kind of what it does.

1452
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 7: It doesn't even necessarily come from nevarious places.

1453
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 3: They just don't understand.

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 13: It's not like a literal different plane, right, It's a

1455
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 13: different it's a different universe that these people live in,

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01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 13: you know, in in. Don't get me started, because I

1457
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 13: get I get heated about it.

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01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 11: I get it.

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01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 3: And by the way, one thing I do want to say,

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 3: and I know I did not.

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01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 7: I love going in to Connecticut and my friends I've

1463
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 7: made there and all of this stuff. I just I

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01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 7: think I have an interesting perspective.

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01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 3: Well I do too.

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01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 5: I grew up in I was born in Detroit, which is,

1467
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 5: you know, not a great city at the time. It's

1468
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 5: wonderful now, but at the time, I moved to Orange County, California,

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01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 5: which is very wealthy se south O c Laguna and

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01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 5: that's where I grew up. So I completely understand what

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01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 5: you're saying. I lived in an apartment. My friends had

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01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 5: beautiful homes, you know, but I so I totally understand.

1473
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 5: But my perspective is all my friends got nice cars

1474
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 5: and beautiful clothes, and my mom was sewing clothes from

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01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 5: Kmart patterns that she would buy, you know what I mean. Like,

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01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 5: I didn't have the opportunity that my friends did, but

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Speaker 5: I still love them. I still loved my friends and stuff,

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01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 5: but I just have a very different perspective.

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01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: Well maybe that's why you're so cool now, though, don't

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01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 2: you think? Oh yeah, I will say, like you know this.

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 3: And again, I as we've talked about to nauseum.

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01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 2: I was in the Palisades, very jigy, very beautiful. I

1483
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: had a very simple life there. It was renting, but

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01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 2: it was a little bit of a gut check on,

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01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 2: you know, when you start over. And I will say,

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01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for my life now, every little piece

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01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 2: of it. Like I just love my home goods and

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01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 2: I love the share I love living in right this second.

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01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,520
Speaker 3: I love the glass. It doesn't have to be expensive,

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01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 3: you know.

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, I guess we're not going to solve the

1492
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,480
Speaker 2: world's problems but can we just put the pedophilia peeps

1493
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: away behind bars? Can we just make that happen at least, that's.

1494
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 3: All we're asking. If you have committed a crime, let's just,

1495
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 3: you know, lock it up.

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01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 5: We absolutely agree on it. I just don't think it's

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 5: going to happen. I just don't have faith that the

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01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 5: powers that be are going to put their.

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Speaker 3: Friends in jail.

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Speaker 9: I kind of feel the same way.

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01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 5: I just don't they because it's mutually a sure destruction.

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01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 5: I can't put Jeff in jail because Eric, my brother

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01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 5: was with Joe.

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 9: You know what I mean.

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01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 4: I just don't think it's gonna happen.

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01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's the West Wing again. They've had it again.

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Speaker 2: Listen, We're going to be right back with more talkbacks,

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01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 2: so make sure you stick with us. This is True

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Speaker 2: Crime Tonight. We're talking true crime all the time. Welcome

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01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: back to True Crime Tonight. I'm my Heart Radio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong, Body Move.

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Speaker 3: In and the last segment of the show.

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Speaker 2: Already, every time I turn around, I feel like I

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01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: say that in shock, but I really mean it.

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01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 3: Each time this night has flown by.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys feeling the solar flares that body whispeaking about?

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01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 5: Oh my god, speaking about it. I really think I'm

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01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 5: feeling it. I really I have shifted timelines or something.

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01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 5: I'm telling you your frequency is very high. It is

1521
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 5: something's going on. I don't know what's up. That's a

1522
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 5: good thing about this with Indy. All day today, I've

1523
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 5: been like, I have shifted dimensions or something's happened, and

1524
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 5: I think it might be the solar flare or something.

1525
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: And do you feel good though? Like even though you

1526
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 2: feel bad, do you feel no? I feel kind of dizzy.

1527
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 5: I feel kind of I mean, I'm not I'm being

1528
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 5: for I'm being so for real right now, I feel

1529
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 5: kind of dizzy.

1530
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 4: My eyes hurt.

1531
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: Listen.

1532
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on, but it's something.

1533
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 3: I just feel kind of grade.

1534
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 4: My software is being upgraded. Yeah, that's what's happening.

1535
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you have dry eyes? I'm the worst.

1536
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 7: Is like a celestial being is making you better, which

1537
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 7: I hope.

1538
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 3: Do you have dry eyes? Is my question?

1539
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 10: You do?

1540
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 3: Okay? I do? Do you do you have a cure?

1541
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 3: Do you help me?

1542
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: Taking those vitamins for a hot minute. Yeah, I was

1543
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: taking those for a really long time. They didn't really

1544
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 2: do it, didn't do anyth Do.

1545
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: Dry eyes make you dizzy and like weird? Uh?

1546
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 7: They sometimes can.

1547
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: Okay, well you also just said that your eyes hurt.

1548
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 5: Well, it feels like it feels like I'm very light

1549
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 5: sensitive right now. That's like I'm very like, I don't know,

1550
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 5: it's something's going on.

1551
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 3: Her system is upgrading my system is I listen, let

1552
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 3: it be so I love it.

1553
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 7: But also, Stephanie, I think that those vitamins didn't work

1554
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 7: for you because you don't metabolize anything.

1555
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 3: Used to try and Celiac disease. Yeah, yeah, it is

1556
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 3: so true. Yeah, that's why.

1557
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,879
Speaker 2: That's why I you know, I have a very limited

1558
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: uh dietary diet because of this silly gluten free life

1559
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: I live. And it's not that fun period the end.

1560
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 2: And I don't like vitamins and things.

1561
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: I don't really absorb them. Don't absorb.

1562
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 2: That's what I meant when I said, yeah, so Courtney

1563
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: was feeding me these like D three vitamins that like

1564
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 2: these gel tabs for my dry eye, and we.

1565
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 3: Were prescribed them by a night doctor.

1566
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 2: She wasn't like, actually feeding them to me, but my

1567
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 2: eyes are very dry.

1568
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 3: How boring can I talk about an I was wondering,

1569
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 3: how bored can I make? You know?

1570
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 9: You know, I was just going to say. People, people

1571
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 9: have responded to your comment about Celiac and it actually

1572
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 9: tied in with a cruise thing we talked about earlier.

1573
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 9: We have a talk back if you want to hear

1574
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 9: what they said about this.

1575
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 3: Yes, talk about a swoo cruise. Hello.

1576
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 14: Everyone, I have a message for Stephanie specifically. I'm not

1577
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 14: sure if you've heard of these, Stephanie, but they actually

1578
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 14: have gluten free cruises and the organization that puts these

1579
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,879
Speaker 14: on make sure that the entire cruise ship is Celiac

1580
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 14: safe and gluten free and all their cuisine and lunch

1581
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 14: and dessert.

1582
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: So I love it. Something so you look into let's

1583
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 3: let's go. I love that.

1584
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,440
Speaker 7: That makes me really happy that that exists.

1585
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 6: Wonderful that the deal that yeah, and the most fun

1586
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 6: fun group of people we're talking about is our dietary restrictions.

1587
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 2: All free people like Nope, no sweet sauce anywhere.

1588
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 3: Ah.

1589
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 9: You know, like they probably party the hardest of anyone else,

1590
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 9: like they did, They're probably gonna have such the best time,

1591
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 9: and the chefs make a point to make the dishes

1592
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 9: like so amazing, so they're probably kicking it up several

1593
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 9: notches to make sure it's everything that you would want.

1594
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Celiac Cruise dot com.

1595
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 5: Okay, can I to tell you, guys, when I was

1596
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 5: told when I was little, my grandma I was. I

1597
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 5: love my grandma, my mom's mom so much, Grandma Fox,

1598
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 5: I love her anyway. She would go with all her

1599
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 5: friends and they would all sit around and talk about

1600
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 5: everything that was wrong with them, like my knees hurt.

1601
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 5: And I asked her one day, I'm like, why do

1602
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 5: you and your friends always talk about everything that's wrong

1603
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 5: with you?

1604
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 4: Like she's like, when you get old, that's gonna happen

1605
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 4: to you.

1606
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 5: And look at us, that's what we're doing.

1607
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 9: Yeah, my eyes.

1608
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:34,799
Speaker 3: Just take your hair down. Take your hair down.

1609
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: That's a great little talk back. And for my fellow,

1610
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: I'll see you.

1611
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 4: There, you know, I mean, really that's really great.

1612
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 5: And like Indy is, she's she's gluten intolerant too. I

1613
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 5: don't know if she's Celiac, but she's gluten intolerant too,

1614
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 5: and those are things that she worries about when she travels,

1615
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 5: and how wonderful it would it be to.

1616
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 4: Go onifaication and not have to worry about that.

1617
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: Well, I do miss a buffet. I'm not gonna lie

1618
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 2: there one big thing. I used to love a buffet. Yes,

1619
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 2: you know you're eating some of the foods. It looks

1620
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 2: like that's the food.

1621
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 7: But I'm looking at the Celiac Cruise. It's a truly

1622
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,560
Speaker 7: worry free vacation experience.

1623
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 3: Let's do it. I'm in.

1624
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 9: So much I would go literally.

1625
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 4: Any crew a show on the cruise.

1626
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: That would be so fine, that would be so good,

1627
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 2: and would be like, yes, I am so there.

1628
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 3: I said, I can party all night on a cruise.

1629
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 3: That is right up my alley.

1630
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 9: But you got me frightened every since you said if

1631
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 9: you want to kill someone, that's what you do on

1632
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 9: a cruise. So now in a little like lerium, well

1633
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 9: it is, I mean think.

1634
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: About anything, think about your job. Don't you worry?

1635
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 5: I mean going on a cruise and you like you die,

1636
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 5: like somebody murders you like the international law like what happened?

1637
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 4: Like that is the place to do it, right yeah?

1638
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, so yeah, but.

1639
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 4: Listen, the Celia people are not going to kill me,

1640
01:24:58,800 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 4: so I'm going to know.

1641
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 3: Yes, they're worried about.

1642
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 4: Oh no, you're so getting canceled, I know.

1643
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 8: I know.

1644
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 9: Anyway, well, I had an update on something that I

1645
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 9: wanted to fill you guys in on we wrap things up.

1646
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 9: Do you remember how could you forget the big robbery

1647
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 9: in Paris of the little Worse?

1648
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,520
Speaker 3: I remember, remember.

1649
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 9: Noticed the beautiful diamonds. But I I know we were

1650
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 9: all talking about that photograph when we saw the detective.

1651
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 9: Remember the picture of the the chik jack. Yeah, and

1652
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 9: we're all excited, like wow, even the French detectives are

1653
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 9: put together. That's the It's exactly what you would picture. Well,

1654
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 9: there's an update. You're going to be disappointed to hear this.

1655
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 9: That viral photo from the day that the lou Jewel

1656
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 9: hes the Internet into a frenzy, and the stylishly dressed

1657
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 9: young man was photographed walking calmly past the police outside

1658
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 9: the museum. It sparked speculation, of course, that he was

1659
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 9: an undercover detective, maybe with the investigation. Well, the photographer

1660
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 9: took the now famous image says the man was not

1661
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 9: involved with the heist at all.

1662
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 3: No, he wasn't.

1663
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 2: The police officer or he was an instigators.

1664
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 9: Get this, he's a sixteen year old, so he's not

1665
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 9: even a fifteen year old. He's not even an adult.

1666
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 9: So he was very mature looking. But here's some of

1667
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,839
Speaker 9: the details. So after the heist, an AP photographer snapped

1668
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 9: the photo of a sharply dressed man as he was

1669
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 9: walking past the police barricades. The man had the fedora on.

1670
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 9: For anyone out there who hasn't seen it, he had

1671
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 9: a fedora, a tie, a coat, and blazer and everyone

1672
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 9: you know, went on social media. They were talking about it.

1673
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 9: That one photograph, by the way, got five point six

1674
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 9: million views, Like it was like it broke the internet

1675
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 9: and like everyone was going crazy as they were.

1676
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 3: I remember it.

1677
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 5: So he pressed from like dressed from like the forties,

1678
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 5: like you had the fedora on the scar of the

1679
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 5: cane or something. It's a three points yeah, yeah, yeah,

1680
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 5: he's very dressed, very fifteen year old dresses that way.

1681
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 9: Well, get this, I have his name, so bear with

1682
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 9: me because my French is not great, but his actual

1683
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 9: name is pedro It lost galzon del.

1684
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 3: I love it that French.

1685
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 9: I'm not going to say his full name again ever.

1686
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 9: But he actually is from a small town just a

1687
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 9: little west of Paris, and what he actually said is

1688
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 9: he loves to be sheep. He loves to dress up

1689
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 9: like that. He goes to school like this, in his opinion,

1690
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 9: in a sea of hoodies and sneakers. I prefer to

1691
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 9: show up in a three piece suit. Sometimes I wear

1692
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 9: my hat, but I saved that for special days like

1693
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 9: the weekends or museum visits, and so that day I

1694
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 9: don't la because I actually appreciate. I love a fifteen

1695
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 9: year old that puts on a superb once in a room.

1696
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 9: But he said he went there with his grandma and

1697
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 9: his mom didn't he saw. He actually was told about

1698
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 9: the photo by other people. But he kept it low

1699
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 9: key for a while. He didn't want to.

1700
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,520
Speaker 4: Just csing at the police cart in front of the police.

1701
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: And it was a pose.

1702
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he didn't even know that this was happening.

1703
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 9: I don't know what was happening, no, but he found

1704
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 9: out later. Kept it a little quiet for a little

1705
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,440
Speaker 9: bit because he liked the mystery.

1706
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 3: That he had a world that was fun.

1707
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 9: But I thought it was amazing, and I just find

1708
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 9: it so fascinating that a that it wasn't a detective

1709
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 9: B that this just guy looks so mature and that

1710
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 9: he dressed so dapper, so.

1711
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Of hoodies and sweat. Yeah, like what an independent. I

1712
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 3: love the little spirit to be like he's going to

1713
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 3: be a fashionista run in the world.

1714
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:51,839
Speaker 4: To say he's going to be signed by an agency.

1715
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 3: I was a great for Central.

1716
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 5: If he wants that, Like I don't even know, but

1717
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,440
Speaker 5: like I could see him being time because his style.

1718
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 3: Is pretty good, really good.

1719
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 4: And he looked really I mean, he looks sharp.

1720
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 3: I'm pulling it up right now. He did.

1721
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 7: He have like a little mustache, no mustache, he how

1722
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 7: do I say mustache? So seriously, I'm a shadow of

1723
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 7: the Fedora, which is just like a little fedora must

1724
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 7: I mean shadow, but just.

1725
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 9: The hat kind of tilted down, the little three piece

1726
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 9: he belonged to his grandmother.

1727
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 3: With his mom and his grandma. Just like seeing the

1728
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 3: sights nice.

1729
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 9: So yeah, but anyway, I just love that little story

1730
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 9: and it made me smile so.

1731
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 3: Well, he's got a lot to play, that's wild. Yeah,

1732
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 3: that's great. I love it.

1733
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 7: This is wonderful for him if he wants it to be,

1734
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 7: like you said, whether it's fashion or whatever.

1735
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:51,959
Speaker 3: Because I can look is awesome at fifteen.

1736
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's not like a he's got his

1737
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 5: hand in his pocket. He's like it's a pose. I

1738
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 5: mean he's absolutely posing. I don't think he is posing.

1739
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 3: I'm well, he was posing for his grandma and his mom.

1740
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, that's so.

1741
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 9: Let me take a cute picture here, and you know,

1742
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 9: look good for it to dressy in high school? Like,

1743
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 9: did you have a style like body? I want to

1744
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 9: hear your style in high school? Were you more punk?

1745
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 9: And I want to hear.

1746
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 5: I was like I was like rock er punk, Like yeah,

1747
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 5: rocker punk, Like yeah, that's it was?

1748
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I still I.

1749
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Well, again, cash wasn't the jam, so my wardrobe was limited.

1750
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 2: But I would say probably a little bit more preppy.

1751
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 3: But I did used to wear a half shirt a

1752
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 3: high school and I.

1753
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 2: Don't know who went out of the house a croop.

1754
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 2: Like I look back on photos, I'm like, what planet

1755
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 2: was I on?

1756
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 3: And I was. I wasn't racy by.

1757
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 5: Anything, but Dron said when he met you, you were

1758
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 5: wearing like a sweater.

1759
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 3: When I moved to South Beach, I was like a

1760
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 3: hurdle nook.

1761
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 2: They're in style again now, ironically, but like I used

1762
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 2: to wear like a turtle neck, you know, with the

1763
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 2: no sleeves and then you have a little like a

1764
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,520
Speaker 2: little sweater over your shoulders.

1765
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 3: Talk about it's.

1766
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,879
Speaker 2: Super dork and yeah, like you know, South Beach, everybody's

1767
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 2: in bikinis and like you know, gold lemet clothes and

1768
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: dancing all night in high heels, and you know my

1769
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: sweater set, you know, required an adjustment for sure.

1770
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 3: Not to mention it was hot. I was just saying

1771
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 3: it's humid and hot.

1772
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 2: Human and I was like, I'm not okay, and you know,

1773
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 2: found my way, but yeah, probably a little bit more

1774
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: on the preppy side, okay.

1775
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 3: About you, Courtney.

1776
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 9: I want to hear what Courtney is.

1777
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 7: I've never had a style or good taste in music,

1778
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 7: which is okay.

1779
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm very that's fine.

1780
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 5: Uh.

1781
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 3: You know, I wear a lot of dresses.

1782
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 7: I kind of always have because they're comfortable, But I

1783
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 7: mean preppy.

1784
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 3: If I had to.

1785
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 4: Prefer, I want to dress and like you know that

1786
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 4: that's my style.

1787
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 14: Now.

1788
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 4: I like tea dresses and uh, I don't like my

1789
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 4: legs to be covered.

1790
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 5: For some reason. I don't know why, but I don't

1791
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 5: like wearing paints. I like waring dresses, like to be

1792
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 5: free A little like to be free. It's like the

1793
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 5: air and let the air in, you know, like let's

1794
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 5: air this out.

1795
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 9: I don't know, Yeah, I like that.

1796
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 3: I was.

1797
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 9: I was preppy too, Like I went through a preppy well.

1798
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 2: I could see this, like a nice yellow polo button down.

1799
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 9: I'm a good polo.

1800
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 3: I did all of those wearing one right now.

1801
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, much to I haven't changed it all those years.

1802
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 9: But I went to a boarding school when I was

1803
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 9: really when I was younger, and everyone had that preppy style.

1804
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 9: It got too expensive to go to, so I wound

1805
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 9: up going later to a public school. I was kind

1806
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 9: of like a true version of like the Prince of

1807
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 9: bel Air, if you will, or whatever. But then I

1808
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 9: went to I went to that public school, and I

1809
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 9: did not fit in at all because I was wearing

1810
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 9: argyles sweaters and and this was like a school in

1811
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 9: New York City shoved in locks. Oh yeah it was.

1812
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 9: It was awful experience. But I did the last thing.

1813
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 9: I befriended all the prettiest girls. And then everyone wants

1814
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 9: to hang out with the guy that's friends with all.

1815
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 5: The true brilliant but you're still friends with all the

1816
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 5: prettiest cycle.

1817
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 9: I love it, amazing, good job. All right, I'm in

1818
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 9: a different dimension, so it's we have one minute left.

1819
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 9: But I wanted to hear what Adam's style was before.

1820
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,440
Speaker 9: Can you give us thirty seconds to tell us yours?

1821
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just stressed real basic. I would wear like,

1822
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,560
Speaker 8: uh well, I would wear like kind of oversized sweaters

1823
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 8: and just jeans and converts, or like a big button

1824
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:41,520
Speaker 8: up shirt or something.

1825
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 5: Adam reminds me of, like seventies style. Right now, do

1826
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 5: you know what Adam could be singing?

1827
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 4: Yacht rock right now?

1828
01:33:52,040 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 3: Yat rock that tomorrow.

1829
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 2: Don't forget we have Haley robson with us, one of

1830
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's survivors. So if you have any questions or

1831
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 2: you have something specific you want to ask, just leave

1832
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,040
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1833
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,080
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1834
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 2: you can always DM us.

1835
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 3: I love you guys, great night, stay safe, back tomorrow