WEBVTT - How Crime Scene Photography Works 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know? 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:16.360 From House staff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.760 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.640 Snap Snap snap. That was my camera impression. You could 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:26.400 you get your little iPhone? You could do you know 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.920 the little sound if you want to. I guess I could. 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:35.080 Is it this? That's your iPhone camera? My own personal rendition? 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.000 Did I introduce this yet? I have not? I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.080 You did? Oh? I did? You didn't say this is 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.279 stuff you should know? This is stuff you should know? 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.919 The podcast? Right, that's right. I have you noticed I've 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:50.920 started to differentiate between the podcast and the nothing else? 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:56.200 Oh yeah, here, let's see what we got there? You go? Yeah, So, Chuck, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.000 had you been you know, in the act of vandalism, murder, 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.760 theft um, or had you done it gotten up and 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.800 left some sort of scene behind that picture would have 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.800 constituted crime scene photography. That is not my intro. Uh. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:19.240 Did you notice in this article again named Alphonse Bertillon, right, 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.959 He was a nineteenth century French photographer who was credited 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.800 with um creating the concept of crime scene photography for 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:34.920 forensic police investigation. He's also credited with creating something that 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.840 any smoking gun fan will appreciate. This guy for mug shots, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:44.280 like mug shots. Mug shots. Um, he created mug shots, 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.199 I should say for the purpose that they're used today 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.200 cataloging and criminal This guy with this face, with these 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.760 tattoos has done this crime right, or has been questioned 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.720 for this crime or whatever. It's it's a way of 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.880 documenting what a person looks like, so there's no mistaken identity. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.360 That kind of thing. Uh. And when um Bertillon came 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.320 up with this, it was it was kind of a 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.800 lifesaver for people suspected of being criminals, or for criminals 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.560 because in France at the time, UM, you may be 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:19.560 branded with a hot iron. That's how they identified repeat offenders. Yeah, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.560 so that was kind of a safe But Bertillon was 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:27.240 also very much interested in eugenics, which was the idea 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.120 that you could create a fitter, better human race by 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:36.000 basically sterilizing or killing people who didn't fit the idea 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.840 of fitness, right, epileptics, criminals, that kind of thing, uh, 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.760 And part of eugenics was based on um phrenology or 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.480 the shape of the skull, the shape of the face characteristics. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.920 And Bertillon came up with eleven character characteristics that you 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.120 could measure drawn on ethnic lines, largely very much so 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.440 um but using calipers and other instruments, and he came 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.680 up with this uniform measure meant set. That's the other 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.280 reason he started doing mug shots right, And it actually 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:10.119 worked for a while until uh in the early turn 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.760 of the century, the last century, not this past one, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:17.800 the one before UH Leavenworth Prison, a guy was using 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.079 this bertignon um measurement. They have a standard procedure by 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.600 them to book somebody in named William West. And this 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.320 guy who was doing the measurements, that was his job, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.440 so he knew everybody in the prisons measurements by heart 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.600 pretty much. He was like, I have measured your face before, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.640 and this William West is like, no, I promise you 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.560 I have not been here before. And he's like, I 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.080 don't know. Let me look. So he looks it up 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.480 and sees that yes, he has indeed come up with 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:51.720 the same exact measurements for these eleven different distinct characteristics 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.560 which Bertillon calculated to be one in about four million, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.160 the chances of two people having the same characteristics. And 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:04.120 not only that, this Leavenworth forensics guy, UM finds that 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.240 they're attributed or cataloged with a guy by the name 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.720 of William West. Here's the thing. The guy he was 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:17.920 booking processing wasn't lying. The other William West was still 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.880 in prison in Leavenworth with the same eleven characteristics. So 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.320 as of that guy's processing, there were two William West 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.680 with identical facial characteristics in Leavenworth at the same time. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.279 So was that the beginning of the end of mugshots 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.479 being used in that way pretty much, because from what 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.720 I understand with the characteristics, it was sort of like 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.200 he was using this proof like just look at the guy, 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.000 just look at him right, look at the face. Well, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.960 not not only that, by studying, by creating a catalog 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.080 of people along these eleven characteristics, like how far apart 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:53.440 your eyes were, like how protruding your eyebrow, your eyebrow ridge? 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.120 Is that kind of thing? Um, you would conceivably and 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.600 we're very much doing something along the same lines with 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.960 d N today. Um, we're conceivably saying, well, this person 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.560 with this you know, pronounced eyebrow ridge is um, you know, 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:12.040 very much predisposed to acts of murder and violence because 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.080 if you, as you've seen all these other people that 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.000 we've cataloged, had this protruding eyebrow ridge and that common 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:21.760 characteristic shows that you're a murderer. Not to nab a criminal, no, 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.400 but it's the same point that we're at with these 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.800 DNA data bases that we've spoken about. To Chuck, let's 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.080 get back to crime scene photography, shall we. Yes, Bertillon 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.240 was the first guy to really do that, and he um, 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.840 he was the first guy to I mean, there's been 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.960 forensic photography, they said, since pretty much the camera's been around. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.320 But he was the first guy to say, you know what, 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.680 let's do some different angles, and let's get some real 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.880 close ups, and let's survey the whole scene, and now 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.160 we have sort of a picture of what the whole 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:53.599 crime scene looks like and methodical. He was the first 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.320 to really apply a method to it. Before um, it 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.800 kind of grew out of newspapers printing crime scene photos 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.400 like The Guy in Road to Perdition. Um. Jude Law. Yeah, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.160 I enjoyed that it was a good movie, but they 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.880 would they would go for the art or the shock 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.760 value of it, not necessarily the evidentiary value. So yeah, 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.760 it's very sensationalistic. U. Crime Scene photography is obviously very 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.120 important because evidence is transitory. Um. You clean up a 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.719 crime scene, you remove the body, lift the fingerprints, you 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.440 do all that stuff. So you need to get it 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.440 while the egg is still in the pan. As they 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.760 say that, I think you just say that so before 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.760 everyone else comes in and does their thing, um, the 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.440 crime scene photographer. There's a lot of pressure on on 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.120 these men and women to go in first because they've 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.760 got their c s. I guys outside saying all right, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.120 come on, let's get this over with so we can 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.760 start analyzing it. Right. But they gotta be first because 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.919 you don't want to disrupt the scene. Yeah, and you 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.360 have to take your time, and you have to do 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.560 it right, and there's standard procedures that you have to 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.680 come up with very much. Um. But yeah, it's kind 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.800 of a high pressure job. It's it's a very important job. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.680 You remember when we were talking about, UM, blood pattern 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.680 analysis just a couple of days ago, it seems it 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.560 seems like just no time at all, UM, But you 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.720 were talking about how maybe some police departments have people 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.920 pulling double duty with blood pattern analysis. Uh, not necessarily 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.440 so with crime scene photography. Uh, this isn't so. This 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.120 is not as much in art as a science, even 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.800 though it's something that grew out of an art um. 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.600 This this position is very valuable, so much so that 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:39.280 the Manhattan District Attorney's Office has its own crime scene 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.200 photography and videography department, and they dispatched them independently of 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.560 the police. Interesting, so there'll be two on the scene 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.160 because they found that documenting a crime scene is so 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.400 important to closing a case that they just they have 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:59.440 their own peeps doing it, their own, their own homies. Alright, 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.640 so let's talk about the classifications of forensic photos. There's 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.800 uh three of them, and at first it sounds like 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.640 no dub. But it's a little more interesting than that. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.000 You've got your overview, you've got your mid range, you 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.000 got your close up. You think overview, you think, yeah, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.000 they just take the big wide shot. They take a 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.880 lot more than that. They take pictures of the outside 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:21.000 of the buildings. They take a pictures entrances and exits. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.880 They take pictures of uh, let's say it's there's a 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.880 crowd of folks standing around that police tape. You know 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.640 in the movies they always return to the scene of 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.679 the crime. You can pick them out of that crowd. 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.560 So they take pictures of the crowd. Not only that, 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.880 if the police are canvassing the crowd and some people 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.400 wander off or whatever, you can use that to go 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.280 find those people who may be potential witnesses. Uh. They 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:47.240 will take pictures of uh, not just the room, but 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.840 every angle of the room, the corners of the room, um, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.600 the different rooms in Like let's say the murder occurred 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.920 in a bedroom. They're not just gonna stick to the bedroom. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.560 They're gonna take pictures of all the rooms in the 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.640 house because they may say, uh, look at the picture. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.960 The phone was off the hook in the other room, 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.520 so let's go lift fingerprints off the phone handle, or 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.360 trace the last call that was made something like that 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:15.679 coming from upstairs. It's inside the house. So that's the overview. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.679 That's the overview, right, and that that pretty much is like, Okay, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.880 here's the boring part, and then the oh my god, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.000 now we're at the mid mid range. Right. Yeah, that's 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.800 when you use zoom in a bit on some of 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.360 the gruesome aspects of the crime. I've told you before. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.959 I think I've mentioned it that I've seen like some 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:38.040 some crime scene photography that's really like oh, Dian the Woods, No, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.319 thank you, Yeah, not for you know, Kurt Cobain. People 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.920 are always trying to find that photo his his wouldn't 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.480 the crime scene but his death scene. Or was it 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.360 that's right Courtney or who's that investigative turnalist that tried 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.760 depending on her I know there's a documentary. Yeah it 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.320 was that guy, Nick somethmer other Nick Cage, Nick Cave, 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.120 Nick Love, No, none of those people, Nick and Jessica. Yes, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.640 that's what it was. Uh So the mid range shots 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.440 are pieces of evidence, um, like the murder weapon if 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.760 it's there, Um, but you're not you know, you're gonna 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.800 do some different variations. You're gonna zoom in on the 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.120 murder weapon obviously, but you also want to show it 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.679 in relation to where it is on the scene, like 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.280 it was laying uh you know, on the floor three 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.400 ft from the body. Yes, and now you can take 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:28.600 it away now right. Um, After the mid range we 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.559 come to the close up, and the close up is 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.920 going to be like maybe the murder instrument, um, a 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:41.000 tattoo on the victim's body, UM scar serial number. If 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.720 somebody used like a DVD player to beat somebody else 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.160 to death with it, you got to catalog the murder 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.679 weapon that kind of thing. Good point, um, So that 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.520 this is what the close ups useful for. Uh. And 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.560 then when you're taking it a close up photo, you 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.560 take one with like an instrument, like a rule or 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.679 something like that to provide scae all. Yeah, and then 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.960 you also take a duplicate photo of the same photo 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.680 without the measuring device. So the defense can't be like, oh, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.000 well that ruler was actually covering up, you know, in 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.040 controvertible evidence that my client was not guilty, covering up 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.880 the name of the killer. Yeah, so it's important to 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.679 take two, you're right. Uh. They also have to be 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.680 really detailed with the photolog um has all the details. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.800 Nowadays with digital photography, you have you know, you can 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.360 have the sequence of photo number, the date and time, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.280 all that like already stamped on. But back in the day, 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.480 they would you know, use a log and a book 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.439 to record all this. Um. The filters that they use, Like, hey, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.280 I used to daylight filter out here because I had 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.840 to but it's you know, it can't be tainted. So 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.720 you gotta let people know that that was a filter use. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.680 You gotta be honest, You gotta be very honest, Chuck. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.160 We also mentioned that you, um, there's a standard operating 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.720 procedure that you have to come up with. One of 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:00.439 the big one of the big aspects that lens readents 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.400 to crime scene photography is that sensationalism has been pulled 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.040 completely out of it has no place in it whatsoever. Um. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.520 And one of the ways that you ensure that you 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.200 your photographers aren't being sensational or can't even be accused 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.600 of being sensational, is by coming up with the standard 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.920 operating procedure and method that you are are going to 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.360 employ when taking photographs. Right, So you have to have 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.680 things like maximum depth of field, which is the amount 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.040 of a photograph that's crisp and clearing in focus. Right. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.000 You can't be all already and do one of those 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.520 like a portrait things where the background is blurry might 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.720 look neat if you're telling the cadaver to make love 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.160 to the camera, you're you're you're on the wrong path 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.400 with your crime scene photography. Yeah, the last thing you 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:45.920 want is for your boss to say, boy, these are 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.880 really sensational. Yes, because why you might say, well, thanks, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.480 that's not what you're looking for, not at all. You 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.120 don't want art school calling you. So other technical specs 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:01.840 that should make up this UM photo taking procedure right are, UM, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.440 you want to make sure that the photos as sharp 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.440 sharp as possible, UM, and that none of the devices 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.200 that you're using to measure are blocking anything. You don't 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.960 want to get creative with how you take the photo. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.840 You don't want to cover up anything, leave anything out. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.960 You can't let anything be blurry. That's important, that kind 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.640 of thing, right, And that's just part of this larger 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.840 standard standard operating procedure. Correct. Yeah, and that's for for 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:31.880 the picture taken itself, But the procedure also includes afterward. UM, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.040 you have to have a standard chain of custody UM 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.319 image security because you know, Dexter leads a crime scene 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.079 with the camera and what's he gonna do with it? Right? 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.000 Or if he hands it to UM? What's the one guy? Yeah, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.600 the funny comic relief. Yeah, have you seen his trucks? 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.559 I couldn't believe it he hands it to UM. I 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.559 don't want to get any emails, Chuck, we'll look it up. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:02.360 He hands it to Macusa macause, and um, Macusa should 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.920 sign something that says, I took custody of this flash drive, 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:12.000 um from Dexter Morgan, and my name is MARCUSA exactly, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.520 and then he'll make some vague sexual joke and everyone 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.920 will laugh at home. You have to preserve that original 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.600 digital image. So let's say you want to blow it 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.720 up and change the contrast a bit to to highlight something. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.440 That's all great, that's all groovy, but you have to 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:30.840 note that you've done that, and you have to have 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.760 the original in its original form and format as whatever. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.880 If it's a jpeg, you can't make it a gift 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.920 or a gift, certainly not an animated gift that's grousing 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.000 would be weird. Uh. There are a lot of times 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.360 there's image security software to make sure everything stays like 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.000 it should. You have to store it in uh, you know, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.320 like on a hard drive. You have to backups of it, right, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.640 just gotta be really, really really detailed. It's not like 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.200 your vacation photos. No, anytime you do anything to manipulate 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:03.800 that photo, you should log it and be again, you 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.160 have to be just be completely honest. You shouldn't have 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.240 any dog in the fight. No, of course not. Your 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:12.400 just your job is to document the scene and and 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.200 extract or prevent any emotion from coming into it as 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.760 much as possible. Yeah, exactly right. Let's talk about the kit, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.160 which isn't super exciting. But you're gonna have your camera, 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.880 maybe a couple. Yeah, if you're into that, you're gonna 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.600 have a variety of lenses that will work for different 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.320 crime scenes. You're gonna have some filters if you need them. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.760 You want your wide angle lens, you want your mid range. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.760 You want if you want a zoom in on something 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.240 and you don't want to get down on the floor, 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.160 you might want a zoom lens. Yeah, be a good 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:45.320 IDEA light meter make sure everything looks great. So, Chuck, 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.760 what is the um? I noticed? The great card? Was 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.640 the great card? I saw it works with the light meter. Yeah. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.080 I think you use that to to to set your meter. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.400 Is that right? Like you use the like that's your 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.600 like your meter understands this is the g card. It's 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.600 it's the zero value. I think so. I think it's 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.640 sort of like white balancing a video camera. Okay, I 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.880 might I might have that wrong though, Um, and generally 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.240 you're gonna use color unless uh they said things like 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.960 latent fingerprints sometimes or show up better in black and white. Yes, 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:24.880 but we mentioned video. Since uh I said that word, yeah, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.520 I think, um, it's become a lot more prevalent since 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.840 the advent of the video camera, let's say so, and 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.120 especially nowadays. You know the uh SLRs that shoot great 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.480 high deaf video. I've seen she can have all in 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.880 one package here. You don't have to have a couple 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.680 of cameras you have to tote around. So SLR a 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:49.600 brand name. No, okay, it's uh single lens reflex. I 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:54.320 believe that's a guess, all right, Josh. Videotape You know 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.600 a lot about photography, don't you. My dad's a big 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.960 shutter bug. I grew up with it. Videotape is used 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.560 a lot nowadays, and that can do a lot of 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:08.280 things that regular SLR photography cannot, Like show you you 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.679 can literally walk a jury through a crime scene and 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:16.640 show relationships to uh, you know, the body or the 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.280 uh the weapons. Like a picture is one thing. It's 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.720 worth a thousand words at least, But twenty four frames 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:28.000 per second that's worth right, I would say, yes. So 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:29.880 videos has used a lot of times, and they say 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.320 if there's video that they actually video before they take 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.800 the still photographs and the c s. I guys are 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.520 out there going come on, you're gonna draw a picture too. Well, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.200 that's what they used to do originally, they would draw. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.760 I was that with that one. Yeah, they would sketch 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.560 the crime scene. But of course, I mean, it doesn't 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.720 get a lot more subjective than sketches. So when photography 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.240 came along, people see he's done it pretty quick. When 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.479 the video camera came along, people were like, oh, this 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.280 is just is good, if not better, let's accompany the two. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:06.800 But you need both. Uh. They they use infrared films 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.119 sometimes if it's dark and you need to get a 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:14.160 blood stain, that's when you're you're super fancy. I think 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.400 what else? Oh, I'll tell you. The thing I thought 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:22.480 was cool was the if you video blood spatter on 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.360 a wall. Let's say someone's brains are blown out over 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.800 a wall, you could potentially you could potentially photograph that, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.679 put a yard stick in there as as a as 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.600 a frame of reference, and then years later or days later, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.880 you can uh make a slide. You know, if it's 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.480 just if if if it's a slide, then you can 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.520 project that onto the wall, even onto that wall actual size, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.199 so you can kind of recreate it as it was 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.600 before it got all cleaned up, projected right there on 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.520 the wall. It was really kind of like Princess Leiah. Uh. Yeah, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.000 I guess so when when R two D two Uh 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.280 is that what you're talking about, or when archie Chi 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:08.480 was projecting her as a hologram. Yeah, although nothing like that. Um, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.600 you want to talk about Wegi. Yeah, Wegi's one cool cat. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.159 What's this deal? Wegi is uh the I guess pseudonym 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.240 of a guy named Arthur Fellig And he was big 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.959 from the twenties to you, I think the fifties. He 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:28.480 was an independent photographer photojournalist and uh he had a 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:33.280 special knack for uh sniffing out crime scenes, so much 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.480 so that someone once complimented him that he had the 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.880 sense of a Weigi board to predict when a crime 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:40.399 was gonna occur, so we would be in the right 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.320 place at the right time to like really get all 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.879 the photography he wanted out of it, right, how do 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.639 you do that? Well? He lived in a shack behind 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.360 the police station in Manhattan, and he had a police scanner. 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.320 Um and yeah, he basically didn't have a life, so 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.199 he just sat around listening to the police scanner and 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.119 he would just head on over. He also had a 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:08.680 pretty extensive network of informants, um, cops, robbers, bar keeps, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.239 you know, prostitutes whoever. I wonder if they based uh 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.720 An l A confidential was that Danny DeVito was the 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:16.720 Was he the photographer? Now? I think this guy was 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.640 way more put together than Danny DeVito's character was. Yeah. 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.800 He um, although it would make sense because Weigi, which 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.320 he adopted that name, but he spelled it phonetically W 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.919 E G E. Right. Um. He did travel to l 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.840 A and uh he created a spread called Naked City 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:40.440 and it became the the um movie, The Naked City. Right. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.320 But he was just this famous crime scene photographer. One 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:47.440 of the things that he became famous for was not 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.800 just the crime scene any smoke. Could you know, shoot 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.240 a dead body, and that was something um, but he 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.880 would often turn and just start taking photos like close 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.919 ups of the crowd in their prairie in ecstasy, you know, 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.919 like with these crazy like some would be laughing and 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.000 others would be smiling and some would be crying, and 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.520 it was just like it would capture the range of emotion. 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.080 And he has one very famous photograph called Their First 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.199 Murder that was taken in Williamsburg, which is hipster central 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:19.080 now in Brooklyn Um and they it's just this group 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.840 of people of all ages. They all seem to be white, 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.560 but they're all just in this weird pose, like almost 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.639 writhing in ecstasy, um on the scene of a murder, 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.560 like before the cops have even got there. Like that 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.040 crowd that crowds around. Oh yeah, look at him, like 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.680 Ray Ray Bradberry wrote about them, the crowd. They would 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.560 be there on the scene when an accident occurred. Interesting, 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.840 it's kind of like that. But anyway, we Gie had 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.040 some pretty good stuff well, and that that kind of 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.639 brings up a point that crime scene photographs have been viewed. 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:52.560 And this is once from back in the day. I 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.520 don't think they new ones as art, but in uh, 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.879 in Hollywood, in l A. They dug up in two 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:02.000 thousand one a bot well, I say a box. It's 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.960 probably more than one box. A trove, a trove, a 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:08.040 treasure trove if you will, of old forensic photos, and 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.600 some of them were some of the most infamous crimes 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.439 and murders in the in the history, and black Dahlia 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:15.880 comes to mind. I don't know if that was in there, 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:17.359 but yeah, I wonder if it was in there. I'm 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:21.560 sure it was probably And uh, some of these negatives 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.880 were decomposing and deteriorating at this point, so they said, 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.679 you know, like we should preserve these because it's historical record, 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.879 and some of these are really great photographs. And so, uh, 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.760 years later they actually took it on tour in art galleries. 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.240 What was it called. I think it was called I 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.600