1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast that Don't confront Me. Welcome 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from a 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: room field, a virtual filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: and the birthday boy, Greg Rosenthal. How about that Greggy 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: a little deep friends your forties? How about that Jackie 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: Robinson year forty two? Big one of course? Also, um, 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: you know would have been our friend Chris Westling's birthday 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: today would have been forty seven for him. And that 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: that phrase we heard off the top, that don't confront me, 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: that that is like my I have heard that in 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: my head like many times per day, um, before west 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: past and since um it's a great it's a great philosophy. 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: Does that Does that really have anything to do with me? No, 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna really worry. He embraced that. I also 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: think it's pretty amazing that the two scientists were born 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: on the same date. I mean, there's something going on there, 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: um from like a horoscope angle you two like to 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: to get into it, um. And there's a reason that 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't be farther from being a scientist based only 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: and in honor of west like when Greg makes and 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: this is for Mark, you and I as we go 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: proceed forward into the great unknown, when Greg does say 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: ridiculous things like Mason Rudolph had the best quarterback game 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: for the Steelers in twenty like that's when West would 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: have pushed back and told Greg that he's crazy. To 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: honor West, We've got to make sure we pushed back 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: on Greg so that doesn't go unchecked. Well, you're right, 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: and I think I was just in a stunt, left 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,279 Speaker 1: in a stunned silence when I heard that Mason Rudolph business. 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like at least what a 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: sanuary with like a hot take or something. If you 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: if you looked at the PFF grades even they would 34 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: they would pretty much be with me that it was. 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: It was right there. We do have a guest today 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: that could say if that was a terrible I'll take. 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I feel like people didn't watch that 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: Nathan Rudolph game. He played well for that one game. 39 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a great quarterback. Okay, now, yes, 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: Greg teased it. It is Greg's birthday. It would have 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: been West's birthday. Just still is West's birthday, and why 42 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: not as a gift to both West wherever he is 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: right now, uh and to the listeners for the first 44 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: time back on our airwaves since he sadly left us, 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: it is Dave Damashek joining the Around the NFL podcast. 46 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: And you know this, West is way into this because 47 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: one of UH West's favorite NFL media people of all time, 48 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: absolutely the great, legendary Dave Damn Check. What's up? Check? Heroes? Rick? 49 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: What a pleasure. Let's start with a little pushback, Like 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: you just mentioned, They're like, did did I hear that? Right? 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal just likened himself to Jackie Robinson. I'm basically him. 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: You think you don't you think? Don't you think of 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: your year? You know, your birthday year in the in 54 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: the in the mind of like athletic numbers, like Larry 55 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: Bird that was a nice year, thirty three. You got 56 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: to that. That's That's That's who I'm going to try 57 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: to model myself after this year, Jackie Robinson, if nothing else, 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: for real, the gift, the gift, the gift of following 59 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: sports obsessively. One of the fringe benefits is is that 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: it allows you to remember every phone number. I do 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: I can't remember any phone number if you give it 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: to me just once, because I'll just be like Clay 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: Matthews Junior and uh in the iceman George Gerwan. Yeah 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: that's the last word digital. Okay, Yeah, that's how I 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: can piece together all things. Yes, happy birthday, uh to 66 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: the boss and to West of course, yes, and uh 67 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: you know Check of course he is now um the 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: host of the Minus three podcast that covers Northeast sports 69 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: and also the Extra Points podcast which everybody knows what 70 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: cousin sal and Dave's a thunder, which is another d hiatus. 71 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean enough at some point, either you know, uh, 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: do the show or don't do the show Dave, but 73 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: we all love that as well. Um, well, what's new? Check? 74 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: And And the reason why reached out to you is because, yes, Dave. 75 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: You know, Dave's a funny guy. We all Dave's funny, 76 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: He's always got the quips. But Check also sneaky, insightful fella, 77 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: and I really thought that, you know, with Check, this 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: is actually two weeks to the day now that we 79 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: lost West. I would love to hear your thoughts on 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: the man, Chris Wesley. Check. Well, Um, you know, first 81 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: of all, I really do think and I understand that, 82 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, the tragedy, there's no work around of of 83 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: how horrible this is for for Keyshan, for and for 84 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Link and for you guys and everybody who cared about 85 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: West obviously, But um, I I really do choose. You know, 86 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: I grew up with Mo Damnishek the nurse and uh 87 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: you know who who had been around a fair amount 88 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: of stuff, and my old man as well, and I 89 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: really did take note early in life of like my 90 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: mother sort of chose to celebrate in these tells, in 91 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: these awful moments. Um And I really do you know, 92 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: I'm really happy for West that he got to have 93 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: the last decade or thereabouts that he had with you guys, 94 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: and so I you know, I really do say, be 95 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: proud Greg Rosenthal for for convincing him to do what 96 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: he kind of lived by, which was to was to 97 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, I, I it sounds glaber, it sounds like 98 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: a joke, but for real, you convinced him to leave 99 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: his safe space and move out here. And you know, 100 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: West was for all the lovely and accurate things that 101 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: have been said about him in the last few days here. 102 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he was idiosyncratic enough that he 103 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: really lamented when he got out here, like, I don't 104 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: know if I belong out here kind of vibe and 105 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: this is this is weird. I mes see island, you 106 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: know the islands where it's those are real people people 107 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: all both were out here, big boy and all and 108 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: all of that, and and look where it landed for 109 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: all of you guys. And you're to be you know, 110 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: you know, I hope you can relish amidst all this. Uh, 111 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, this obvious awfulness of of you know, what 112 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: you guys did, and and how the quality of his 113 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: life the last eight years. I suspect is uh is 114 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: right up there for him, with all the years that 115 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: he had, and as much as he loves his family 116 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: and his brothers and you know, his his his red 117 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: legs and his his his island down there in Georgia 118 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: and everything else, I think that you know, it was 119 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: apparent to anybody who interacted with him over the last 120 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: few years that that he somehow, ironically after all this, 121 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't he didn't love Los Angeles, and 122 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: he didn't love the vibe, and he felt like an outsider. 123 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: And I really do feel like he was as at 124 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: home and found his real home with you guys as 125 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: much as anything and individually with you, like with all 126 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: respect to Keisha. His first soul mate in Los Angeles 127 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: was Mark sessler Um. And I really, you know, I 128 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: went there just to be an onlooker after you guys 129 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: won your softball crown, whichever one it was. I just 130 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: went there to to bask in the reflected glory. And I, 131 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the seminal image for me is is, uh, ironically, 132 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: two grown men after winning a dumb softball thing with 133 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: their arms around each other. I don't think I took 134 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: that photograph, but I was standing right behind those two 135 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: when that photo was taken, and it was lovely and 136 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: indicative of of the late night you had. And I 137 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm waxing obviously, and interrupt me at any point, please, 138 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: but you know, I just he was he was really 139 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: oddly or he stood out in the twenty one century. 140 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: To me, he was anomalous, and it was like, oh, 141 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: what he is is a retro kind of human being. 142 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: He is like something from a black and white western 143 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: movie or something like. He was like Gary Cooper in 144 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: his straightforward purpose. I mean, and if his purpose was 145 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: having fun at two thirty in the morning with Cessler 146 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: and bend in the elbow. It meant something. And I 147 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: really mean that there was no there was no sort 148 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: of throwaway moment with west Everything, even fun um meant 149 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: something to him. And and I know because I interacted 150 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: with him, and you know, I maintained the text chain 151 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: with him this last you know, handful of months and everything, 152 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: and and almost without feel he would mention the sense 153 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: of purpose that you guys gave him and the fund 154 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: that it it meant for him amidst all this, Uh, 155 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: not the god awful stuff at the hospital and everything else, 156 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: the fact that he could interact with you and and 157 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: and uh have a smile as a result of it. 158 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: I I really do. I'm I'm it's terrible, it's it's heartbreaking. 159 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: Those are the obvious things. But in the right now, 160 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: I think you guys should, if it makes sense, to 161 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: be proud of what you guys forged together and uh 162 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: and you know, to to be happy that you directly 163 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: Rick included delivered you know, some of the best moments 164 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: of Westling's life. And look where it led. I mean, 165 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: ultimately he was Is this a message for other people 166 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: to take chances and and all that sort of thing. 167 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he moved from his safe space he loved, 168 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: He lived on an island, he loved it. He moved 169 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: out here to rugged, you know, weird l A and 170 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: felt like a foreigner and looked where it wound up 171 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: eight years later. You know, I wish he had another 172 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: five decades, but you know, to to enjoy it. But 173 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: but the last five or six we're you know, more 174 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: living than a lot of people get to do. It 175 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: would have been rewriting history to now say, oh, West 176 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: loved l A once he got here. You know, he 177 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: loved it. Even as late as last year he would 178 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: say that l A is weird. Didn't necessarily love it, 179 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: but there is that that element of it. And check. 180 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: I know you, um obviously are not a native to 181 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: southern California, although you've been out here a long time now. 182 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: None of us are. I mean, Greg Mark, myself all 183 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: come from the northeast, Ricky from the northeast, West Cincinnati, 184 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: Tybee here, Uh, Colleen from Philadelphia, and Gonzo from Philadelphia, 185 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean Henry from England for Christ's sake, uh. And 186 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: we all came here without family, and we built out 187 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: our own Um, West Coast, Southern California family here. Um, 188 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: and that's why you know it. It wasn't West, wasn't 189 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: just losing a colleague or even a friend. It felt 190 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: like we lost a family member because we really did, 191 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: because that's that's what we did, um, in coming together. Um. 192 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: And I'm just to your mother, that's a great way 193 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: to look at it, that we celebrate that we had 194 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: that time together. Um. She just was not I do 195 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: remember her. You know, you look around it awful, you know, 196 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: funerals and everything and people crying, and I'd look across 197 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: and and my mother's out over there cracking wise with people, 198 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, like like you know that with that, you 199 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: know to to try and um celebrate the person a 200 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: little bit. And you know, I heard you guys the 201 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: other last week. I guess your your first show back. Um, 202 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I mean it just there was something 203 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: too that with with West, that there a sense of 204 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: authority and interacting with him, and you guys talk about 205 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: the validation you get from him agreeing with your football opinions. 206 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: That was a real weird thing for it was real 207 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: and true for me as well. And that the other 208 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: thing with him was as far as that goes. Making 209 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: him laugh was what I mean, you know, for uh, 210 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: someone like me when when when West laugh, that was 211 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: it was one of the more delightful Making all human 212 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: beings are not equal, you know, making all human beings 213 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: laugh is not And getting a laugh from him, you 214 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: knew was sincere. He was. He was not uh um 215 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: placating you with his life. You know. It's a fascinating man, 216 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, and and you know his football love and 217 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: but his love of books and great to talk about 218 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: music with. And no matter how how how much we 219 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: disagreed on it, it was always a compelling back and forth. 220 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: And you know, and and and like I said, he 221 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: had this Gary Cooper quality that was funny, that would 222 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: give way um once under the cloak and night and 223 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: a couple of drinks in did he became like a 224 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: fifteen year old who had had his first beer. You know, 225 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: he became giddy. And that that was also a delightful 226 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: way to interact with the West and and uh, those 227 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: two sides of him. But yeah, I mean, you know, 228 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: listen to talking about football or otherwise with him bumping 229 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: him into bumping into him in the hallway. But it 230 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: was always good. But one thing that really came through 231 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: was that the comfort he had with you guys. You 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: guys were his like you said you were they you know, 233 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: people say stuff like that, but you were really his 234 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: brothers and uh and his family. And shout out to 235 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: the first sports couple of Philadelphia for for you know, 236 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: helping um garis those kids as well, for for West 237 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: and for um for our pal the pie Queen Deaker 238 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: and everybody else. Really it really transcended. You know, it 239 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: doesn't happen all the time, but the the that was 240 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: a neat little group that was put together over the 241 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: last you know, five to ten years, and you know 242 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: it was it was fun certainly to be a part 243 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: of that. Not not the um say that that doesn't 244 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: carry forward, but obviously West definitely. The point is is 245 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: that West really uh embrace that as much as anybody 246 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: because like hands who says, we're all from somewhere else. 247 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: But for some reason it came across it. West was like, 248 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: what kind of place is this? What are we doing 249 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: out here? Isn't the way people do things? And I 250 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: mean people are wait crazy, Let's get the get back 251 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: to the real people. The kind of vibe and he 252 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: transformed into There was no better home for Chris Westling 253 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: anywhere on the face of the earth than sitting with 254 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: you guys, chopping it up and laughing. Whether it was 255 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: being recorded into a microphone or uh in the wee 256 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: hours of the a M. It was always it was 257 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: always compelling and fun and and nice to to be 258 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: a part of or be around. I would say, also, 259 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: check that you know one of you. I love the 260 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: way that you noted about making him laugh. We've talked 261 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: about that a little bit. And one of the first 262 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: places I thought that he started to feel at home 263 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: was in our newsroom, which was very communal back in 264 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: the era, and you were someone just because I would 265 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: I sat three or four feet away from him for 266 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: a billion days, and when you would come in, and 267 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: anyone that has been in our newsroom knows that with 268 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: Dave Damaschek comes in, I mean things change the energy 269 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: to there's there's There was one thing that I think 270 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: when you I thought that you really won west Over 271 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: with your daring do because we were also at times, 272 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: depending on what executives were in there, it was a 273 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: very it could be suddenly very serious. But you know, 274 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: if you watch the NFL network, they crack into the 275 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: moment where like a newsreader is, you know, telling you 276 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: about breaking news, and in the background you can see 277 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: all of us Jabroni's typing away on our keyboards and stuff, 278 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: and Check would do this thing where he'd get about 279 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: twenty thirty yards away from the newsreader, but he'd be 280 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: in in the background you could see him, and he 281 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: do that old trick where you pretend to be walking 282 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: downstairs by bending your legs and literally on NFL network 283 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: there is a grown man um walking downstairs that don't 284 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: exist in West could not contain himself at that time. 285 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: I remember that moment, and he also, I know you 286 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: do his impression, but he loved when you would do 287 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: impressions of Greg and dan Um. I'm excluding myself because 288 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm pure and you can't do one of them. That shows. Yeah, 289 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: I think it was well said Check with the brotherhood 290 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: almost that he was used to having all these brothers 291 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: around him. That was what was like, that was his 292 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: comfort zone and so he sort of created that and 293 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: was part of that um with us. But yeah, yeah, 294 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: you're Tybee impression it it was it was a fine line. 295 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: But you're lucky that he uh he loved it, like 296 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: because you just cracked him up so much. Uh, it's like, 297 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't sound like that to be on the right 298 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: side of that line. And then my impression was actually 299 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: an impression of Check and doing the impression of West. 300 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: So it was essentially just a watered down version of 301 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: the same thing. I also like, I also like since 302 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: you brought it up, Mark, Not to get too off track, 303 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: but when Dave would dropped by the news room, we 304 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: had a there was a deeply unpleasant shadowy league figure 305 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: um that was in the newsroom for a period of time. Uh, 306 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: that could not stand when Dave came by, and they 307 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: were they were diametric opposites as human beings. You need 308 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: to be more specific. Although I think I know there's 309 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: so many this ella, you know who it is, right 310 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: this SLF would come out and he would see Dave 311 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: and he would just you could you could see the eye, 312 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: the eye roll like almost coming out of his head 313 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: when Shack was around. And that's and it felt good 314 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: because well, I think also he knew that not a 315 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: shred of business would be conducted when when Scheck was 316 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: making the rounds. And I think even maybe sometimes Greg 317 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: would be like guys, get get back to work. We 318 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: have like fourteen posts to write. It's like, but check 319 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: is here. Oh what what will the world do without 320 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: updated pro football information? That listen, we're all cheating wife here. Friends, 321 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: you know that. Why are you throwing a wet blanket? 322 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm the fact that everybody gathered in that space's cheating wife. 323 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: By definition, we are getting paid to talk about football 324 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: and on some level, and and that some ne're do 325 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: well couldn't get that straight in his head. He is 326 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: not my problem and I was not going to bend 327 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: a need to that non sense. He still thought he 328 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: was in some like newsroom in Dallas in November nineteen, 329 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: because no, dude, this is football dating the Jaguars committing 330 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: to Teal is their home jersey, were not and to 331 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: put a button on its check before we move on, 332 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: because we got to talk about a big trade evolving 333 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: another star quarterback in the NFL. We got to talk 334 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: about what's going on with check Steelers. We're gonna get 335 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: to that as well. But West, you mentioned Gary Cooper twice, 336 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: and uh, as I've asked by way of Tony soprano 337 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: Mark many times, whatever happened to Gary Cooper? Turns out 338 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: he was right next to us the whole time, the 339 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: whole time. Um, all right, let's get to it. Let's 340 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: do some football talk. We got check here. It is 341 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: West's birthday. And by the way, great job by the 342 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: NFL Media digital team, Patrick Crawley, Um, Sarah Parsons, John Marvel, 343 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: the whole gang, Ali Bun Purry. Um. They are rolling 344 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: out in honor of West's forty seventh birthday or what 345 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: would have been West's forty seventh birthday. Uh, They're they're 346 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: bringing up on the home page at NFL dot com 347 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: all of his best work. Uh. And because West was 348 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: such a gifted storyteller and podcaster. But I mean Evan Silva, 349 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: who we all love and respect from Rhoda world and 350 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: now would established the run um he He said on 351 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: his show recently that he thought that West was maybe 352 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: the best sports writer in the country. That's the type 353 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: of talent West was. So if you go to NFL 354 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: dot com at any point this weekend and it should 355 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: be up by the time you get to this, you 356 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: could read his Houston Oilers feature Love You Blue Ohio 357 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: River Offense about the Cincinnati UH Bengals and Steve Walsh 358 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: attack his QB Index pieces, which were incredibly insightful and 359 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: many times went beyond just basic football UM pieces about 360 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: his Patriots coverage during those Super Bowl years. He always 361 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: had such a great eye for that, his making the 362 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: lead pieces the series that we did for many years, 363 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: UM talking about players on the rise. You might not 364 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: be surprised to learn that West got that it a lot. 365 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: He wrote a really compelling piece about Steve Smith deserving 366 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Just 367 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: a ton of great stuff, and they're gonna populate some 368 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: podcast stuff down the line as well. But if you 369 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: want to UM learn more about Chris Wesling the writer, 370 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: NFL dot com has got you covered. I was telling 371 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: you guys real quick too that like if you're just 372 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: if you're an obsessive, go find a random West Um 373 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: newser on like an arrest or suspension I would take. 374 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: I would take his news items and print them out 375 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: and go read them to figure out what the f 376 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: I was doing on that front. Because he was such 377 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: a decisive UM author when he would take on any subject. 378 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: It's I love what NFL dot com has done here. Um. 379 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the big story the Indianapolis Colts. 380 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we did the QB Carrousel game a couple 381 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, not for nothing. Old Zeuser had this 382 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: one right, But it wasn't necessarily a shot in the dark. 383 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: It felt like it always made sense. The Indianapolis Colts 384 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: have acquired Carson Wentz from the Philadelphia Eagles in exchange 385 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: for a round pick and conditional second round pick. That's 386 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: important here. That conditional second rounder becomes a first rounder 387 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: if Wentz plays three quarters of the Cult snaps for 388 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: um and the team makes the playoffs. So there's a 389 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: couple of things there. But there's a good chance, or 390 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: a decent chance I should say that this does become 391 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: a first rounder. But on the surface, Greg Rosenthal, the 392 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: Cults just acquired a guy that not so long ago 393 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: was viewed as a superstar level talent a quarterback, and 394 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: they to me upgrade from an aging Phil Rivers. What 395 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: do you think about this deal? I think Carson Wentz 396 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: as a lot um to prove that he could even 397 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: be as good as Philip Rivers in I don't I 398 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: think they're taking a risk. It's not a huge price 399 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: their pain, but it's something I'm shocked that the Eagles 400 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: got that much at this point. I mean, Carson Wentz 401 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: wasn't just bad last year. He was like one of 402 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: the two or three worst quarterbacks in the league. There's 403 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: not a lot of precedent for anyone playing that poorly 404 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: during his prime. You can make a lot of excuses 405 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: for it, um and and being like a really big 406 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: difference making quarterback. Then you look at the rest of 407 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: his career, I would say, maybe one of those years 408 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: has he been significantly you know, better than average? Uh? 409 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: And so I think, Okay, you're giving up a second 410 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: you know this guy. Uh, it could upgrade to a 411 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: first you're giving up a third round pick. It's worth 412 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: a shot because you know him and they believe in him, 413 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: and it's a great situation for him. But I don't know, 414 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: like it to me to expect him to be better 415 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: than average, I think is probably expecting too much. I mean, 416 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: I would say this though, I feel like he is 417 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: going to a roster that in a couple of ways 418 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: reminds me of the Eagles Super Bowl roster, uh, when 419 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: when he did play so well. And I'm with you, Greg, 420 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: I mean to watch what happened to Carson Wentz last season. Um, 421 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: it was you know vision really a four month car 422 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: crash and and he lost all his confidence. He seemed 423 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: broken to me from the neck up. And I don't 424 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: think he and Doug Peterson UM, that relationship clearly was 425 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: running out of time. I love him being paired back 426 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: with Frank Reig again, just in terms of the fit 427 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: of where he could have gone. Someone that knows him, 428 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 1: someone that got the best out of him, probably was 429 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: the better head coach. Um hidden in a at a 430 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: coordinator level there. Uh. I think it's a good environment 431 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: and they've got a great offensive line, so you can 432 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: see I could I say the ceiling would be comeback 433 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: player of the year. Um. The floor is this is 434 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: an unfixable quarterback. But I I don't believe he's unfixable. 435 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: I think this is this is If this works, Chris 436 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: Ballard will look very very smart. Um. From the Eagles side, 437 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: what are we doing here? This team to me feels 438 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: like a year and a half ago. Everyone's you know, 439 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: do you know, song and dance about their analytics driven 440 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: front office and all this other business. I mean you 441 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: look what they invest it to get Carson Wentz, what 442 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: they ultimately paid him the incredible amount of dead money 443 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: that they're taking on to let him go, which is 444 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: the new trend in the NFL. Let's get rid of 445 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: these guys and pay for it after um. I think 446 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot has to be pointed at Howie Roseman and 447 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: the Eagles. Howie Roseman, do you still have the Carson 448 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: Wentz poster in your office or have you taken that down? 449 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: M Are you surprised that they got that like no 450 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: one else made an offer? Like? I think both things 451 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: can be true. The Eagles signing went to that contract 452 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: and the Rams signing Golf to that contract were catastrophic 453 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: mistakes in a very similar way that I think will 454 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: affect how teams approached signing guys early. Because both of 455 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: those guys would have ended their rookie contract with the 456 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: option year this year. They didn't have to pay any 457 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: of it, you know. With all that said he was, 458 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: it was like it was a tire fire. If there 459 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: wasn't Frank Wik out there, I don't think they would 460 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: have gotten anyone because his contract is just as onerous 461 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: as goffs. They were about to be guarantee like he 462 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: had an option in his contract where they were about 463 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: to be guaranteed to pay him seventy over three and 464 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: fifty five over to all this stuff. So I think 465 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: they're probably in this point mildly relieved that they got 466 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: rid of him um at this price. But it's still 467 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: kind of a catastrophe what what happened over the last 468 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: few years. And they're gonna have to come up with 469 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: so many solutions on a aging roster so quickly, or 470 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: Howie Roseman could lose his job because he's not the 471 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: only one that's gonna be gone. Alshon Jeffrey's definitely gone, 472 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: Malik Jackson's definitely gone to Sean Jackson, Uh is definitely gone. 473 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: There's more I'm forgetting about, Like they are gonna be 474 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: spinning that wheel, and they have a lot a lot 475 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: to fix um and and Ballard puts himself on the 476 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: line a little bit too, you know. They maybe it's 477 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: a one year thing with Wentz if it doesn't work 478 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: out um, but they need to find a left tackle. 479 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: They need to make it work with Winz because I 480 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: think the bar of Philip Rivers is sneaky high. Like 481 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz in the last time we thought he was okay, 482 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: he wasn't as good as up Rivers, he was pretty 483 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: bad then to two year. That's a two year sample size. 484 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: So let me let me just say, I think you're 485 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: overvaluing as I always feel like you did Philip Rivers, 486 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: and undervaluing Carson Wentz here. I think I'm saying, look 487 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: at his twenty nineteen season on balanced, just the last 488 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: four four games, the whole season, Maybe it's something you 489 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: got to go back and take another look. I thought 490 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: he was excellent in twenty nineteen, especially down the stretch, 491 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: UM taking a really beat up Eagles team to the playoffs. 492 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: UM twenty seven touchdown, seven picks, four thousand York passer 493 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: rating over a hundred. I thought he was a franchise 494 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: quarterback in twenty nineteen. Seventeen was an m v P 495 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: year before he blew out his knee, and I understand 496 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: you can't take out the health issues with him. By 497 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: the way, Tom Brady was gonna win the m v 498 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: P that year. I keep hearing everyone said Carson Wentz 499 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: was the m v P. Tom Brady was winning that 500 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: m v P this year. I just keep hearing that, 501 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: But he was playing at that level. It was it 502 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: was one too, but I keep hearing everyone say, he 503 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: was on pace for forty five hundred yards forty five touchdowns, 504 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: he led the league in touchdown percentage, He lead the 505 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: league in QBR that season. He was an absolute m 506 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: VP candidate. But the injuries are a real thing obviously 507 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: here to keep in mind, and also how bad last 508 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: year was. But I think it's well worth the gamble 509 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: check to bring him in because the Cults are a 510 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: win now team and if Frank Bright, if Frank Bright's there, 511 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: I don't like the trade with Frank right there. I 512 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: think it's well worth the gamble and I think you 513 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: could pay off big yeah. I mean if you do 514 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: the math on that. And what changed for Carson Wentz. 515 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: The thing that stands out more than anything else is 516 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: the departure of Frank rich and it became clear that 517 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: Peterson wasn't the wasn't the magic factor in that uh 518 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: on that coaching staff. It was rich Um. So I 519 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: guess that makes sense. And like the outsized egos of 520 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: starting NFL QBS, offensive coordinators and head coaches also have 521 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: an ego that tells him I can fix this guy. 522 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: I know he looked bad, but I'm the one who 523 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: can fix him. I guess We'll have to wait and 524 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: see how that goes. I do think in the meantime 525 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: that I mentioned I mentioned the swagger that just about 526 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: all these guys have. I think it's very weird. In 527 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours or so, I've already seen 528 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: a couple of um sort of boastful, weirdly, sort of 529 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: proud of themselves media members from Philadelphia. I don't get 530 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: the math on what Philadelphia is a sports town. Thanks 531 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: they're doing that. They're so proud of their ability to 532 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: chase away some high end athletes, like hey, Philly eight 533 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: for everybody. It's a tough town, toughest sports town fan 534 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: baseball not let you go like well great, well, I mean, 535 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: so you're gonna scare away some people who might otherwise 536 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: thrive in your sports town for you, Well done, You've 537 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: You've done it again, Philadelphia. Yeah. I don't get the 538 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: anti Wenz thing in Philadelphia. He helped you win your 539 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: freaking first Super Bowl ever. He was massive in winning 540 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: your Super Bowl. And there's this weird thing that I 541 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: totally agree with. Right, it's very straight. I get the 542 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: last few years. But if somebody had told you, like 543 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: this guy's gonna set you up to win a Super 544 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: Bowl that your backup ends up finishing up, you would 545 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: think you'd be grateful to him for the rest of 546 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: your life. Give me a break. I just think that 547 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: the obviously the Colts are as when now is as 548 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: just about any roster you look at or I don't 549 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: know if win now applies, but what is the best 550 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: roster if you remove the quarterback from the equation the 551 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: culture near or at the top of that list. So 552 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: it makes sense that you want a guy who can 553 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: make him go because you know, I really think they 554 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: had a Super Bowl run in them and if not 555 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: for a player too, um that you know, they might 556 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: have at least gotten to Kansas City. Um. But in 557 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: in our you know, I talked about QB saturation, this 558 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: is not anymore. There are more viable starting quarterbacks out 559 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: there than there are starting gigs. Is Carson Wentz definitely 560 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: the best guy that they could get to fill that 561 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: slot in in the real world, not not pieing the 562 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: sky fantastical like did you just get the Shawn Watson? 563 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: Why don't they do that? Like because because Texans are 564 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: going to trade him to you in the short term, 565 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: Is Carson wants the best guy they could have gotten. 566 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but maybe as I look around, is 567 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson really gonna get dealt the way? I don't know. Otherwise, draft, 568 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't know to that point. Check uh and the 569 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: and the Colts. They kind of put it out there 570 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: that they were looking for a veteran. They're out of it, 571 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: they're out of this business now. But why don't we 572 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: spend the QB carousel here, um and and check in 573 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: on these other quarterbacks? Now? The market is not settled, 574 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: but we have some movement here. Stafford goth wentz um 575 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: a report, Jimmy g there's another option. The Colts had 576 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: their um a lot of smoke about the end of 577 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: the Niners and Jimmy g Era he has fifty one 578 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: million do over the final two years of his contract. 579 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: Not guarantee though, So maybe the Patriots make a play. 580 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: Sam Donald another another veteran that hypothetically the Cults could 581 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: have been interested in. Report out there today UH that 582 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: he could be available for a second round pick. We've 583 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: been hearing that forever. Deshaun Watson. We're at a stalemate 584 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: there obviously. Right now, we don't know what's going on. 585 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: Keep an eye on the Raiders with Mariota and Derek Carr. 586 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: One of those guys could and probably will be moved. 587 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: Uh and then of course Big Ben uh da. I 588 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: love the buzz that now that that this uh just 589 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: this week is the first time I've started to hear like, 590 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: could Roethlisberger play for another team? You know, if you 591 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: drop him onto the Broncos? Would that be a crazy 592 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: Is that really that crazy that he would make them go? 593 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, yeah, I think that rot with Roethlisberger. 594 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't get getting to doing this 595 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: so that we could talk about about math. I don't 596 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand macro economics, and I don't care about 597 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: math as a fun the mental um course in life. 598 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: But um, as far as I understand it, and scientists, 599 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: please step in here, Rosenthal and let me know where 600 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm wrong here. The cap is not gonna be I 601 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: mean that the hit is never and it never was 602 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: gonna be forty one million. As I've said all along, 603 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: they'll presumably drop him all the way down the nineteen million, 604 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: which is as low as they can get it. So 605 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: nineteen million is the hit. Ergo the the aforementioned fantastical 606 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: solutions at quarterback aren't real. Deshaun Watson's not landing in 607 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh it given that it's a nineteen million dollar cap hit, 608 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and they're not gonna none of the high end qbs 609 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: that are gonna go near the top of the first 610 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: are gonna be available in reality. Why don't you just 611 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: roll with Roethlisberger anyway? This this it's time to reset 612 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. It's to what there's not? There isn't Who 613 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: are you putting in there? Someone must start a quarterback? 614 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: And what do you get out of Mason Rudolph that 615 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: you don't get out of Ben Roethlisberger in one other 616 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: than can Mason Rudolph Hackett is the long term solution 617 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: spoiler alert. He can. However, Right was right. He did 618 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: play really well and it was kind of eye opening 619 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: for those of us who are who were who were 620 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: hypothesizing that Roethlisberger round about the Washington game as they 621 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: were undefeated, kind of realized, like, I can't keep taking 622 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: these shots. This offensive line is junk. For the next 623 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: five weeks, were safely into the playoffs. We're gonna win 624 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: the division now after we beat the Ravens. I think 625 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: there was a calculation. And I kind of still stand 626 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: by this that he made a calculation. I'm getting the 627 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: ballet on my hands no matter what, and I don't care. 628 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: And then it started to slip away from them. And 629 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: then he flipped the switch in the second half against 630 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: the Colts and turned it on, and all of a sudden, 631 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: there he was pump fake and throwing, uh, throwing forty 632 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: five yard passes on a rope, and and so on. 633 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: And then the Browns game and that well that the 634 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph game happened, and I thought, what in hell, 635 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: this is a little this is weird. That makes in 636 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: Rudolph is having uh pushing it. Then then Roethlisberger was, 637 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: and then the Cleveland game. Inexplicable that first that first 638 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: quarter was an absolute atrocity, but it seemed explicable to me. 639 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: I don't think we've had a chance to um the 640 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: tables have turned. We didn't. He might ended Big Ben's 641 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: Steeler's career. My my thing is just do the Steelers 642 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: want him? I get what everything is. Yeah, so they're 643 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: general manager Kevin Culvert said this week, you know, it's 644 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: very ambivalent about it. He's on the rothber right now. 645 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: The owner, Rooney said earlier in the off season, essentially 646 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: he's not coming back unless he takes a pay cut. 647 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: Ben says publicly, I'll pay for I'll play for whatever 648 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: you want. Now, it's very possible, especially knowing Ben Roethlisberger, 649 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: that he's saying that and his agent is not um 650 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: just lying down and being like that behind the scenes, 651 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: and they're like, if you play any hardball with us, 652 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: we're just gonna cut you. Like that's the thing. They 653 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: are ready to cut him. They they have already made 654 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: a decision. He's gone. Uh. If he doesn't want to 655 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: play ball, they might have already made a decision. He's gone. Anyways, 656 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: And I think they answer your question, David, like why 657 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: do that? And yeah, you could reduce the capital. Well, 658 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: you'd be pushing some of that cap pay into the 659 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: future years. The Patriots decided to take all their medicine 660 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: in one year, that's what the Steelers do this year. 661 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: Would kind of make sense because right now they're like 662 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 1: thirty million over the cap. Uh, and their left tackle 663 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: is a free agent, Marcus Founty, their center is a 664 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: free agent. They might want to consider cutting their potential 665 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: future Hall of Fame guard David de Castrow is coming 666 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: off a terrible year. Uh, they have a lot of problems. 667 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: They might cut you know, one of their starting cornerbacks. There, 668 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: there's a lot of issues in Pittsburgh and they might 669 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: just be like, let's just take our medicine. Now, see 670 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: what happened. What does that? But my pushback on that 671 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: is what does that get you any of these big 672 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: free agent decision? Nothing now? Nothing now. But it's basically 673 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: you're thinking that we don't believe it's saying we don't 674 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: leave in Ben Roethlisberg anymore. Right, that, but you can 675 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: kick it down the road. But for relative nickels and 676 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: dimes to kick small portions of that contract into three 677 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: that as the cap goes up, it it will be marginal, 678 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: a marginal hit against them. But the again, the crazy 679 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: kind of thing is like, yeah, but if they just 680 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: if they just blow up, if they just stink it up. 681 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: This is what people keep missing. They cannot be the Jaguars, 682 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: They cannot do with the Jets or anyone else. Is 683 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: done in tank because Cam Hayward and t. J. Watt 684 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: and Minka Fitzpatrick are not going to allow that to happen. 685 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: They went in eight dight with Duck Hodgenes you think 686 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna whether you think gonna go too and fourteen 687 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: there is no world in which that happens. So this 688 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: nonsense about well if they really stink in one, then 689 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: they'll get a high pick. And by the way, I 690 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: am big, like I said on QB saturation thanks to 691 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: the pipeline that exists from football every springtime not as 692 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: juicy as the last three or four QB classes have been. 693 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: So this thing of like that, just blow it this 694 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: year so that you get who Spencer, what are we 695 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: talking about? What isn't checked? Isn't the move the most 696 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: straightforward move the Steelers to make a team that was 697 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: eleven or oh before the wheels came off and has 698 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: has all this talent that you've referenced that should be 699 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: ready to go if they can get solid Cuba QB 700 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: play to go with everything else that you would bring 701 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: back Big Ben and then just upgrade over Mason Rudolph 702 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: as somebody that you can turn to, whether it's through 703 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: the draft or one of these veterans that are you know, 704 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: at a discount, and then you give yourself a better 705 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: safety net and maybe it turns out You're like, you're 706 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: right that maybe with the Big Bend situation last year 707 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: he changed his mindset to disastrous results. So you give 708 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: another give him one more chance to play the guitar, 709 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: and if he doesn't, you're not turning to Mason Rudolph, 710 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: just hoping and praying that he's finally the light's gonna 711 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: finally go on. Well, here's what I'll say about I 712 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: think that the move is. I mean that Joe Douglas 713 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago said something about wanting a 714 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 1: first for Sam Donald. I want a lot of things 715 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: to Um, but I think a second, you know, especially 716 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: if you can move it paste into into future years 717 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: like what what the Eagles just got away with with 718 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: the Colts. If you can get you know, a second 719 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: or a third in one Joe Douglas wants draft picks. 720 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: It's not like the Jets are ready to roll in 721 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: the and take over the a f C East. They 722 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 1: need players, and if they're gonna go at number two 723 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: with Zack Wilson or Justin Fields, they're gonna purge um 724 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. I would think in in in um trade 725 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: for for a draft pick, that's the answer to me. 726 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: Get Sam Donald but I think also Rosenthal, I think 727 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: you're right. I don't think they necessarily want I don't 728 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: think they have bright eyed thoughts about how great roethlis 729 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: right one last time, he's gonna turn back into two 730 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: thousand and eight Roethlisberg. I don't think they think that, 731 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: but I think they're they we might have our best 732 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: option may end up being given the nineteen million dollars 733 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: that we have to pay him, and it prevents us 734 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: from going after some other guys as a result. But 735 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: if we bring I could see the ego if we've 736 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: seen these franchise qbs, not like other guys being brought 737 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: in to replace them, and all that, I could see 738 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: there being some attempt to thread the needle on the 739 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: Steelers part to say like, yeah, we want you back Rothinisburger. 740 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: But Rothinsberger said, I'll take the cap, but you can't 741 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: bring somebody in to replace me like I you're you're 742 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: not gonna turn around and then trade to get so. 743 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: And so I could see that being part of the 744 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: equation right now. Um And and also more practically, I 745 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the agent is saying like, yeah, we'll 746 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: give you, we'll give you a discount we're not. We're 747 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: not dropping it all the way to nineteen million. And 748 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: maybe Covert's like, oh, when we when we took your 749 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: guy at his word that he's gonna go all the 750 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: way down, he doesn't care about it. If he's actually us, 751 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,479 Speaker 1: if he's actually denting our ability to resign, let's say 752 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,240 Speaker 1: Mike Hilton or Cam Sutton or one of these dbs 753 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: that they otherwise could make a run at. I could 754 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 1: see them bought can get down like, hey, we're playing 755 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: hardball seven. You want to come back? Great, we understand 756 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 1: the situation in one last year, but it's nineteen million. 757 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: You're not getting anything more out of this is timely. Actually, 758 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: I am checking out Twitter UM as we discussed this situation, 759 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: and this tweet from Will Welch, who is the g 760 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: Q editor in chief, UM fresh quotes from Ben Roethlisberger 761 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: in a tel a'll sit down with g Q. Cleveland 762 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: broke me. They reduced me to tears. Um, to the 763 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: naked eye. I was no more than a toddler. I 764 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: still have nightmares about what the Browns accomplished that night, 765 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: added the Steelers QB. I've had this recurring dream that 766 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 1: when Pittsburgh dumps me, they spend the next twenty five 767 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: years looking for a functional signal caller. Terrible talons will 768 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: be used to wipe the tear stained faces of Pittsburgh 769 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: area children, children who will never learn to read because 770 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: they live in Pittsburgh, said Ben. In this dream, Steelers 771 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: fans would be to get one third the quality of 772 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: a broken down Mark Malone circle, but they won't come 773 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: close employing Ham and eggers such as Wally Jingles, Spurgeon 774 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: Wind two point oh and Jessica Maxwell from Human Resources. 775 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: End of tweet. So that's that's something that's funny on 776 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: the GQ front. Look at just shattering the glass ceiling 777 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: in the end of Wow. I mean, that's a pretty 778 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: good gift by g Q there, right, It's not a 779 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: total shock, Like what about Ben Roethlisberger would tell you 780 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: that his divorce from the Steelers really the whole end 781 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 1: of the rest of his career isn't gonna be incredibly ugly, 782 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, and with like backbiting and lying and all 783 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: sorts of stuff. I frankly, I'm looking forward to Ed 784 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 1: Bouschett is gonna have some juicy quotes. Well, I'll tell 785 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: you that's for sure. And by the way, I don't 786 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: know if you can see it for anyone looking right now, 787 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 1: in honor of most of the nation dealing with snow, 788 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: I've it's snowing apparently in uh in my home here. 789 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: The I'm on my crummy computers making it do that. 790 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: Um yeah, the the Roethlisberger the last few days here 791 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: or the last one. It's also he wants to come 792 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: back and be a part of a winner, and it's 793 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: it's funny that they keep saying, like, you understand, we're 794 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: not gonna be good if you come back, and they're 795 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: really trying to will him today, like it's the guy 796 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: you don't want coming over, like we're not doing anything. 797 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: We're you know, we're not We're not gonna have any fun, 798 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: so Base will not even come over kind of thing. 799 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: So they're trying to convince him not to show because 800 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: why why would they have I guess I think they're 801 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: having a crisis of confidence of like why do we 802 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: think we're gonna be better next year? Period that we 803 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: we finished the season so poorly, and you mentioned the 804 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: whole like, yeah, you can take his salary cap down, 805 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: but you can also like cutting him saves twenty million 806 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: against the cap. There's all this like confusion of there's 807 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: like there's dead money, and that's true with Carson Wentz, 808 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,959 Speaker 1: but it's money when I talk about dead money. Yeah, 809 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: but ultimate like trading Carson Wentz didn't cost the Eagles 810 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: anything this year, and you got rid of them, and 811 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: in cutting Ben Roethlisberger would save twenty million of cap 812 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: space when they need it. And so bringing him back, 813 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: even if you lowered it all down like it gets complicated. 814 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: Your other players might have to go, and they're just like, 815 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: why do we think that team is gonna be good? 816 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: We kind of don't so or better, like, we we 817 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: need we need someone. We need a quarterback that can 818 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,399 Speaker 1: be a huge difference maker, and he's probably not that guy, 819 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: so we should start looking for that guy. I hear 820 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: all of that. I don't, but none of those individual 821 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: decisions UM with other free agents are impacted by that. 822 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: Assuming he does, like I say, goes all right to 823 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,240 Speaker 1: zero or to to the to the um slimmest of 824 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: of cap hits possible. The other thing I will say is, 825 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,919 Speaker 1: because you know, with Will Welsh, they're doing great work 826 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: at g Q with UH with getting in the years 827 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: of some of these qbs. I got in the year 828 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: of one David Carr, who was the first overall draft 829 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: pick in two thousand and two and happens to be 830 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: related to Derek Carr. David Carr assured me one went 831 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: will work out with Reich. That marriage is perfect too. 832 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 1: He said that Derek Carr is definitely staying in Vase. 833 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: That is a hundred percent that Gruden is definitely rolling 834 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: with him in per David Carr, it sounds like the 835 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: Cults tried to get him. I found that very interesting. 836 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: A Cults reporter said they called about Car and got 837 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: a pretty firm sense. So that's that's that's good, that's 838 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: a good report. It's interesting. He also said that last 839 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: year during the season, they took four calls asking after 840 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 1: Derek Carr and we're turned down three of them from 841 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: the same organization. And I cannot figure out who it is. 842 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: David Carr would not, he said, We'll figure out who 843 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: would he not take the call from? I don't know, 844 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: I said Bill Belichick, And that leads me to this. 845 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: I could see a calling Bill now, who wasn't then 846 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: I can't figure out. In the middle of and during 847 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: the season, calling dere a car and getting turned down 848 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: for it, and I figure out John Gruden has bad 849 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: blood with it. He wouldn't take the call from but it. 850 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: I said, would Derek go to New England? And I 851 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: think that you you want to have your fun with 852 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,879 Speaker 1: the demise of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've had my fun 853 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: and I'll continue to with your patriots. I can't believe everybody. 854 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: I can't believe you've genuflected for twenty years to a fraud. 855 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: Rosenthal pil Fellow check. It's all about the QB this 856 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 1: whole time, all the all this insane uh dark ages 857 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: kind of witchcraft, and this is how we do things. 858 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: The only way you can win is to is to 859 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: abide by my work. Do your the soul is, do 860 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: your job. I'm a grown man. Let alone, I'm I'm 861 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: a high end supreme athlete, and and you're reducing to me. 862 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: Do your job. Just do exactly, would be two dimensional, 863 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: and do that and in exchange you'll get a Lombardy. 864 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: Now that it doesn't come along with the Lombardi, who 865 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,720 Speaker 1: has any value is willing to go up into that mess. 866 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: I think Matthew Stafford has set the tone and I 867 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: think it's gonna I really do think this year, this 868 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: season for the Patriots, it's huge for Bill Belichick. He 869 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: knows it. He cares about his place in history, and 870 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if he doesn't win in somebody, 871 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: he better figure out how to get I don't know, Mac, 872 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: I mean, how often do you hear, like anyone talk 873 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: about Vince Lombardi basically pissing down his leg for four 874 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: years in Washington? No one cares. That's different apples Greg 875 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: because and we brought this up with Chris Russo when 876 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: he was on our show right for the super Bowl. 877 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: Now that Brady has won that title with the Bucks, unassailable, 878 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: the legacy, there's no there's no question this guy if 879 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: there ever was. I mean, the fact that he changed 880 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: teams in one another title, unbelievable, the goat. Belichick still 881 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: an all time brilliant mind, arguably the best head coach ever. 882 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: But when you're talking about you can find proof of 883 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: that videotape. Look around, these two guys, these two two players, 884 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: the player and coach tied forever together. Belichick almost he 885 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: has to build another big time team before he goes, 886 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: or that will be attached to the discussion of Bill Belichick, 887 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: and I know you don't want to hear that, Greg, 888 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: because you've had so much. I don't think he kee 889 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: pissed down his leg and all this stuff like the 890 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi didn't know Brady makes it different because it 891 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like bart starwin somewhere else and did something or 892 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: however played out with Lombardi. It's just different. You literally 893 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: don't even know how it played out. Like he embarrassed 894 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: himself and they were terrible, and literally it's never been 895 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,359 Speaker 1: brought up just about ever. It doesn't matter. I just 896 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: don't think that bothers saying. If you understand the difference 897 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: between Defembarty situation and the Bill Belichick situation, and with 898 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: Tom Brady involved here, why because Bill Belichick was tied 899 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: at the hit with Brady, Brady goes somewhere new wins 900 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: another title. Vincilbardi got old went to Washington was at 901 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: the end of the line, it was. It was just 902 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: a different setup, that's all, but also a totally different era. 903 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: But Greg, to your point, you said the Patriots took 904 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: their medicine in one year, So I agree with check 905 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: that next year if Belichick goes, you know, a soft 906 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: five and eleven and refuses to get a real quarterback 907 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: this offseason, thinking he's gonna punk us twice. Well, I mean, 908 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: I do think that in terms of the talking heads 909 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: he's reading takes a huge hit. Do I think that 910 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: he's actually Joe Philbin in disguise? Utter nonsense? He's a 911 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 1: great coach, He's he that's a half measures is he? 912 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: Is it a talking head situation or do you actually 913 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 1: think that it would hurt his legacy if he went out? 914 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: If Belichick's next, let's say he has four more years 915 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,880 Speaker 1: and they're all losing seasons, it is an unavoidable point 916 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 1: of discussion, and it does affect everything that we would 917 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: think about Bill Belichick. But what are I'm stopping the malarkey? 918 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: Is the idea that oh, actually this is a C 919 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 1: minus coach who's behind a great quarter that I will, 920 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: I will. I'm not on board with that at all. 921 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: I guess he actually is right, and it is just 922 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 1: a talking point. I guess I'm just saying, like, Okay, 923 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,479 Speaker 1: what does what does that mean? Like? Do I think 924 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 1: way differently of Tom Landry or Jimmy Johnson or Bill 925 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: waltsh like struggling at, you know, doing his thing. It's like, 926 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: you don't. I don't know who thinks about these things that. 927 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,399 Speaker 1: I don't think Bill Belichick does either. I don't think 928 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: I think he does. He does. You don't think he 929 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: thinks about it. Probably forty minutes out of every hour. 930 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: It's still processing that. I think. I think ami list 931 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: of best though when he did it for the hundred 932 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: some of those names. He definitely cares about pro football 933 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: history and his place in it. And I have talked 934 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 1: with people who are relatively close, people who were in 935 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: his circle over the last twenty years on his team. 936 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 1: You can just say, no, I don't know many people. 937 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: You know. It's like Willie, It's David Carr. That's it. 938 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,320 Speaker 1: So it's got to be one of those Yeah, I 939 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 1: gotta try and take shots and that the name drives here. Man, 940 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna plow on anyway, um the uh yeah, listen. 941 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: I've been assured that he definitely cares about this. I 942 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: love the idea. One of the great missed opportunities. I 943 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: don't know what what amount of money it would have cost. 944 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: Obviously he's willing to do things that humiliate himself witness 945 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 1: those subway ads. So I wonder why he wouldn't um 946 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: put a camera on himself for the four hours of 947 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl because that would have been deleted. Would 948 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: what would have been more fun than watching Belichick? Let 949 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: it be said, listeners that are gonna now get on me. 950 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,840 Speaker 1: I can't believe Dan, he's bringing up Belichick again and 951 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,359 Speaker 1: ripping bell. I didn't do this. Check brought this up. 952 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,360 Speaker 1: This one more thing and then I'll be done about this. 953 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 1: But I sincerely, I mean, they've obviously dominated the twenty 954 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: one century, the Patriots UM and as we now try 955 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: to make sense of it, one other thing that's gonna 956 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: go against Belichick going forward is it's not the same 957 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: a f C East. The Bills are a mighty force. 958 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: I think the Jets have a chance to put things 959 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,360 Speaker 1: together pretty quickly, and the Dolphins are are fascinating. Assuming 960 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 1: to Uh turns the corner here a little bit, I mean, 961 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: it is very realistic that they could get into a 962 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: little mini run of a fourth place finishes for in 963 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: the next couple of season. And to bring it back 964 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: around Check. Things have changed for the Pittsburgh Steelers too, 965 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 1: because they had a nice long run there where it 966 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,400 Speaker 1: was them and the Patriots, and it just felt like 967 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,640 Speaker 1: one of those teams was gonna come out. Another team 968 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,320 Speaker 1: would jump in every once in a while. Everything's changing, 969 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,800 Speaker 1: and they haven't made a super Bowl in like a decade. 970 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: It always it is funny to think about them as 971 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: as they were that team that was like kind of 972 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 1: there but not really Like the Bronzos were there, the 973 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: Colts were there, like Peyton Manning was there but whatever 974 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: team he was on. But the Steelers weren't really ever there. 975 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 1: They were a team to admire if you're a fan 976 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: of a team that's struggling or an f C North team, 977 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: but they were never that like you went too far, 978 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: say you were drying, so you went too far and 979 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: it became cartoon and and I just want to say, 980 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: with Cessler and Damaschek together on the show today, it 981 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: just shows you, you know, in this in this country 982 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: where um everything is so turned up and it's always 983 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,720 Speaker 1: one side against the other and a lot of bad blood. 984 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 1: And the fact that you two gentlemen have been on 985 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,880 Speaker 1: the show today and it had you could we haven't, 986 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,560 Speaker 1: Greg and I haven't since any hatred or tension despite 987 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,400 Speaker 1: the fact that I could tell you, Dave that a 988 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: lot of your tweeting during the season really got under 989 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,800 Speaker 1: Mark skin. Uh. And then Mark had his great, great 990 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,479 Speaker 1: come up and it's come January, and that that felt 991 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 1: like a measure of revenge against you Scheck for some 992 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: of your pithy comments about his beloved Clevelan Browns. The 993 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,760 Speaker 1: fact that you guys can be on the show together 994 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,959 Speaker 1: and there's no ill will just kudos to both you met. 995 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: That's who we are. Yeah, that's right. Were we defined 996 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 1: class together and individually. But I really do think, um, 997 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,200 Speaker 1: I trying to go down another rabbit hole. You're talking 998 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: about Jared Goff and Jimmy g and Carr and Wentz 999 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,360 Speaker 1: and all these guys. I am not convinced that Baker 1000 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 1: Mayfield is definitely the guy who is worth a big 1001 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 1: second contract. I'm not convinced to that, and I get 1002 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,240 Speaker 1: that I'd take it with a grain of salt. I really, 1003 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: I sincerely. I felt pleasure for I felt happiness for 1004 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 1: because I'm classy, Like I say, for Mark Sessler. In 1005 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: the long suffering Browns fans, most of them, some of them. 1006 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 1: There's always a percentage of creeps out there with any 1007 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: fan base. But I was happy to see that. Also though, 1008 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 1: the celebration that came off of that, and as though 1009 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:41,280 Speaker 1: they had as though Tom Brady thought that Browns fans 1010 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,280 Speaker 1: got a little out of hand for winning a wild 1011 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: card game on that one like that was like drunk 1012 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: Tom Brady off the boat was like, all right, settled 1013 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,839 Speaker 1: down Browns fans, you only want to playoff game. I 1014 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 1: agree with all that. I mean, I think they didn't 1015 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: in twenty years and it was big moment in Pittsburgh. 1016 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 1: It was a whipping No, you should celebrate all that. 1017 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: It might be another twenty years. Who you never know, 1018 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,320 Speaker 1: you might have. No. No, I'm not I'm not suggesting 1019 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 1: that you shouldn't have enjoyed that. I I am, though, 1020 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: saying I really do. Don't get over your skis about 1021 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,400 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Grounds, because they did that. You know, they 1022 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: really they really were a Mason Rudolf two point conversion 1023 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: and then who knows a field goal and overtime away 1024 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: from not even getting there in a game that they 1025 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,560 Speaker 1: had to have at home. They almost lost the Mason Rudolph. 1026 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: Now they turned around and they shame. I can't wait 1027 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: till you get I just said, I I just said 1028 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: they shamed the Steelers in a fashion that that that 1029 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 1: was hard the stomach. I I there are more painful 1030 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,279 Speaker 1: losses that I would attribute to Tom Brady and the 1031 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: Patriots um in a couple of title games in the 1032 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 1: twenty one century, But the most embarrassing loss was that one. 1033 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: I mean Marky's penalty over the head Roethlisberger throwing the 1034 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,800 Speaker 1: word interception literally, I know that sounds hyperbolic. The worst 1035 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: interception of his career was which one was that from 1036 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: where he sailed at seventeen feet over James Connor's head 1037 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: um for the pick and then and then you guys 1038 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 1: were off and running. I do though the the the 1039 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,319 Speaker 1: the low expectation and the result that you got. I 1040 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: could see the Browns winning the division. I think it 1041 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: now has that vibe of a destination kind of place, 1042 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,799 Speaker 1: like if J. J. Watt lands there and you put 1043 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,080 Speaker 1: him alongside on the other side of Miles Garrett, fascinating stuff. 1044 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,840 Speaker 1: It'll be a feel good um summertime for Browns fans. 1045 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 1: I just I'm not positive that that banks the guy 1046 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,480 Speaker 1: how s well. I would say this so that the 1047 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 1: whole thing that these teams have to deal with where 1048 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: you aren't sure who your quarterback is, but this ticking 1049 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,960 Speaker 1: clock sits out there and having to give them a 1050 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: massive contract just because all quarterback contracts are giant at 1051 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: this point, I think it's a huge talking point in 1052 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: cleaved and but compared to where he was a year ago, 1053 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Baker, I think did everything you could have asked. 1054 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,000 Speaker 1: But I'm with you that like do I think I 1055 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 1: would rather these contracts be like two years long and 1056 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: then we can let's check back in and see where 1057 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: we are at that point. But what I find delightful 1058 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: is that one of your primary concerns, Um, and whether 1059 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,680 Speaker 1: you're not to feel this way about yourself, I feel 1060 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: this way about you. You're concerned about Browns fans getting 1061 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,160 Speaker 1: over their skis. UM. That hasn't been an issue for 1062 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: decades plus. And what I enj what I noticed on Twitter, UM, 1063 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,120 Speaker 1: was palpable panic from Steelers fans after they lost that 1064 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,200 Speaker 1: playoff game. And you know, Steelers fans, they're not that 1065 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,400 Speaker 1: much different than New England fans in the sense that 1066 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: if you're of a certain age, the bad times, you know, 1067 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: the truly bad times are deep in the rear view mirror. 1068 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,240 Speaker 1: If you think that what just happened was tough to handle. 1069 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,799 Speaker 1: Try two and a half decades of that, and let's 1070 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,279 Speaker 1: check in on the mental um state of Pittsburgh's fan base. 1071 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 1: Then it will be interesting, it will be freaky. I 1072 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: cannot wait to hear your comments in or whatever. That's 1073 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,799 Speaker 1: so we won't be able to see the Steelers van 1074 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 1: skis because they'll be buried under an avalanche the snow 1075 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 1: on the screen. And I thought that's what you were 1076 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,640 Speaker 1: about that. I thought this was all leading to you, 1077 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 1: like if you thought that one hurt. I wanted it together. Greg, 1078 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 1: you kind of you were mentioning it earlier. And it's 1079 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 1: funny check brings it up, because yes, the golf contract 1080 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 1: went sideways, the went steel went sideways. Baker did come 1081 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: up in my mind as well. That is as great 1082 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,920 Speaker 1: as he was at points last season and his rookie 1083 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: season as well. Maybe just waited out to see how 1084 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,680 Speaker 1: this goes. Season goes, Let's let's see, like, Okay, you're 1085 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 1: a little grumbly Baker, just wait another year. What's the 1086 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,840 Speaker 1: big what's the big hurry? I'm with you, well on 1087 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,880 Speaker 1: all these guys, it's like you, it's if you have 1088 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,160 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. That's one thing, like just sign him early, 1089 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,800 Speaker 1: although you know even the Texans might have some regrets 1090 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: about that. But just if it's not the Shaun Watson, 1091 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: don't sign him, right, they're gonna blow that one. They're 1092 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: gonna they're they're heading down a path that they're gonna 1093 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna wreck themselves by holding on to the Shan, right, 1094 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 1: that's what they're They're not gonna deal him. I bet 1095 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: you they hold on to him. They would be wise 1096 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: to deal him now or before the draft at least, 1097 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,320 Speaker 1: but they're not gonna. I think they're gonna hold on 1098 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 1: to him, and they're gonna be like, hey, third week, 1099 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 1: dog is when you're showing up the Sean and he's 1100 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: gonna be like never, still should trade me? And they're 1101 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 1: just gonna sit on him because of the philosophy of like, 1102 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 1: you you can't negotiate with free agents who are sitting 1103 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: out because that sets a bad tone. And all of 1104 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 1: that mean it's it's a pristine organization with crystal clear 1105 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: thinking at this time. So I don't know where the 1106 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: doubts come from. I think maybe it's been playing playing 1107 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 1: the game for too long. But as Jack is setting 1108 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,760 Speaker 1: up that hypothetical which could play out certainly. I'm thinking 1109 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,760 Speaker 1: about my fantasy draft and what would I do in 1110 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 1: that situation. Interesting where he should go. I'd love it. 1111 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 1: I'd love it. I don't know if it's gonna happen, 1112 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: but it would be great. Mark. We talked about the 1113 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 1: Browns before we say goodbye UM for the weekend. UH. 1114 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: This is something that we didn't get a chance to 1115 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 1: talk about earlier, but the man deserves a moment of discussion. 1116 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,880 Speaker 1: And one of your favorite NFL figures of all time 1117 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: who passed away last week. Let's listen to a little 1118 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: bit of this figure. Clean. Then there's a dream, let's 1119 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: get the glee. Marty Schottenheimer, one of the great head 1120 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: coaches of the late twentieth century UH top ten in 1121 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: all time wins, passed away at age seventies seven. Marty 1122 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 1: Ball it was, and he had an unbelievable run with 1123 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,160 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, also with the Chiefs, some huge seasons, 1124 00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 1: even though it never got over that. They never got 1125 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,080 Speaker 1: over of the Hunt Hump Washington football team and the Chargers. 1126 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:10,280 Speaker 1: He went two hundred and one in twenty one seasons. UH. 1127 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 1: A big time winner. Mark, and I know when you 1128 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: came of age as a football fan, he was the 1129 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,200 Speaker 1: man in Cleveland. Yeah, I mean I think that, you know, 1130 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,200 Speaker 1: we could all for us, Like as Dave said, we're 1131 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,760 Speaker 1: cheating life to be doing this as our work. Um, 1132 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,240 Speaker 1: but we don't get here also without UM football at 1133 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:34,120 Speaker 1: some point, UM capturing our hearts, our imaginations. UM for 1134 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: all of us is when we were young, young boys 1135 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,360 Speaker 1: and when I became obsessed with the Cleveland Browns six 1136 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,400 Speaker 1: when a friend moved to my town, my East coast 1137 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 1: town where everyone was watching the Giants and Jets. You know, 1138 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,640 Speaker 1: it was like, I'll find out what whether or not 1139 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,360 Speaker 1: this Browns team is for me, um as a favor. 1140 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 1: I watched a Monday night game my friends saying this 1141 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,760 Speaker 1: will be your team, don't I think it was like 1142 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 1: a low level Cowboys Fani's like, forget the Cowboys. And 1143 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 1: it was Bernie Coozar, it was Ernest Biner, it was 1144 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Frank Middifield. But for me, I've always been coach centry 1145 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,560 Speaker 1: because I played football at that age and my coaches 1146 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,160 Speaker 1: made a huge impact on me. And Marty Schottenheimer. Um, 1147 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,840 Speaker 1: right away, I just felt like this is what a 1148 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,440 Speaker 1: football coaches and For me, it was his verbalization and 1149 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 1: what he would say, and whenever he spoke, I just thought, 1150 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: this guy is different than the you know, big beer 1151 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 1: belly dude that is you know, you know, just punching 1152 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 1: the clock. This guy is a motivating force and a 1153 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: wonder on that front. And he really really got those 1154 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,120 Speaker 1: Browns teams to believe. And I'll never forget that. It 1155 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,360 Speaker 1: was guys like Ernest Biner who said he was like 1156 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 1: a father to me. So many Browns players said that. 1157 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,520 Speaker 1: And you know, on a personal note, my mom um 1158 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 1: worked for this law office and the head lawyer guy 1159 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: was friends with Schottenheimer and on a whim in like 1160 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,040 Speaker 1: she's like reached, she had this guy reach out to 1161 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer and just say there's this like obsessed nerd 1162 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,640 Speaker 1: on the East coast who loves the Browns, and shot 1163 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,640 Speaker 1: point blank, Schottenheimer sent me like this sign poster of 1164 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,000 Speaker 1: the entire team, you know, which is not a big 1165 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,040 Speaker 1: deal except when you're that age. I was literally freaking out. 1166 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 1: And I went to my first ever Brown scheme at 1167 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:16,800 Speaker 1: Cleveland Municipal Stadium in November of It was a surprise 1168 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 1: gift from my dad, and they went and whipped up 1169 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,840 Speaker 1: on a bad Steelers team, you know that eight eight 1170 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: team back then, and uh it was in a pouring 1171 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: rain and in the third quarter Schottenheimer had organized for 1172 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 1: at old Cleveland Municipal Stadium for my name to be 1173 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,480 Speaker 1: put up on the big, gigantic end zone dog Pound 1174 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: teleprompter thing with an announcement along with a bunch of 1175 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,200 Speaker 1: other announcements, girl scouts and all this other business. But 1176 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 1: then one of them was happy birthday to this guy 1177 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,959 Speaker 1: from the East Coast, and I he it's little things 1178 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,120 Speaker 1: like that, but I think Marty Schottenheimer the person if 1179 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,080 Speaker 1: you ever go watch a football life on him, it's 1180 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,440 Speaker 1: the person up until the end. And I'm it was 1181 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 1: really sad to see how he went out because he 1182 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: wasn't able to be that engaged fire starter. And it's 1183 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,000 Speaker 1: a pleasure to have Dave on the show because I 1184 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,680 Speaker 1: know that West was one, well, the one person I 1185 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,720 Speaker 1: could talk about those old A s C. Central days with. 1186 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,760 Speaker 1: He knew it. He was a Bengals fan during the 1187 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,520 Speaker 1: Schottenheimer Brown's days and check you were right in that 1188 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 1: mix too. It was a special time in the NFL. 1189 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,640 Speaker 1: It really was. I love that that a f C. 1190 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,560 Speaker 1: Central Air. There is Sam Retigliano gave and bum Phillips 1191 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: gave way to Jerry Glandville and Marty Schottenheimer and Sam 1192 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: Whish and Chaz Know the emperor of the division reprimanding 1193 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 1: some of those guys. If he didn't like something Jerry 1194 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Glandville did, he would let him know on the field 1195 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,120 Speaker 1: right after the game, in the handshake kind of stuff. 1196 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,720 Speaker 1: Before Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh college football fields were 1197 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,160 Speaker 1: arguing with each other, No would pull him in and say, 1198 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,240 Speaker 1: you better tell your guys to cut that crap out. 1199 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,320 Speaker 1: He would reprimand them, like, this is our division, this 1200 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,160 Speaker 1: is how it is. And Schottenheimer, a Pittsburgh guy, was 1201 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,560 Speaker 1: was easy to root for, not just because he was 1202 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,640 Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh, but the there's a gleam man and all 1203 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,880 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff that you see in movies and 1204 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,400 Speaker 1: in the muck. In my or of January, I did 1205 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,560 Speaker 1: find myself rooting impossibly for the Browns to win those games. 1206 01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,760 Speaker 1: And Rich Carlos missed the field goal in overtime, it 1207 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,240 Speaker 1: would have hit the post. Football would be different. We 1208 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,560 Speaker 1: could have had Cessler Bowl. I never realized that it 1209 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,320 Speaker 1: really would have happened very quickly because it would have 1210 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,240 Speaker 1: been the Browns and the Giants in uh Phil Sims 1211 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,600 Speaker 1: versus book Bernie Kosar. What a super Bowl for that 1212 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,479 Speaker 1: would have been if young Mark Suz are gonna watch 1213 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,920 Speaker 1: that to steal his steal his heart for all of time, 1214 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,440 Speaker 1: if that matchup would have happened. But yeah, Schottenheimer, he 1215 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,520 Speaker 1: gonna you know, I don't know, I don't know where 1216 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: the middle is there. I guess it's somewhere in between 1217 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,400 Speaker 1: of like Belichick's way and Bob Knight's way and iron 1218 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,760 Speaker 1: fist and all that kind of stuff. And Marty Schottenheimer 1219 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,560 Speaker 1: beloved by all who encountered him, father figure and all that. 1220 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,760 Speaker 1: I know, Browns fans wish and Chargers fans would have 1221 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,960 Speaker 1: liked to have seen him bring a Lombardi home. But 1222 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,400 Speaker 1: in the meantime, you know, listen, we can soccer in 1223 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,680 Speaker 1: this it. Maybe you know, those things are nice to man. 1224 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,360 Speaker 1: I would have liked for the Browns to get one. 1225 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,200 Speaker 1: I guess so that Schottenheimer had that and therefore would 1226 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,920 Speaker 1: have had a gold jacket. Certainly she don elway his 1227 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,320 Speaker 1: whole career. I mean Kansas City too, Chiefs fans too, 1228 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,960 Speaker 1: and Chargers fans I saw this. I saw this, you know, 1229 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,080 Speaker 1: he was eighty games over five hundred. I saw this, 1230 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,080 Speaker 1: like advanced metric evaluation of the best dynasties never to 1231 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 1: reach a super Bowl, which is like they defined as 1232 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: a four year run by football side that the Saints 1233 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,200 Speaker 1: just entered that discussion the last four years basically, and 1234 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,240 Speaker 1: I think they were, you know, in their statistical view, 1235 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: was actually going to be number one. Number two and 1236 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,840 Speaker 1: three were Shottenheimer teams. And it wasn't the Browns, it 1237 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,800 Speaker 1: was it was the Chiefs. And he contributed to most 1238 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 1: of the Chargers round which Nord Nord Turner finished off. 1239 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,400 Speaker 1: And so like he he coached great teams basically everywhere 1240 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,680 Speaker 1: he went. It was. It wasn't even just those Browns 1241 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,520 Speaker 1: teams so many. I hope you and Antonio Kramardi are 1242 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: happy with yourselves. Hand, So she really ruined what could 1243 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,360 Speaker 1: have been special season for the Sandy. You know what, 1244 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen? Um, you guys? Wait, am I getting 1245 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,360 Speaker 1: it right? That? Wait? What how did that go down? 1246 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,160 Speaker 1: That was a part of And it was the fourteen 1247 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,880 Speaker 1: and two Chargers team number one, see the Jets or 1248 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:20,720 Speaker 1: nine and seven? That game? They Yeah, there was it 1249 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,080 Speaker 1: was a close game. But yeah, the Chargers just seemed 1250 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,560 Speaker 1: and those Marty teams always seemed to come up short 1251 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,720 Speaker 1: in the playoffs but also in just crushing ways. And 1252 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,560 Speaker 1: I was thinking about, of course, everybody knows the drive 1253 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,120 Speaker 1: in the fumble with Cleveland, but with the Chiefs, they 1254 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,040 Speaker 1: had some excellent teams, uh, in addition to the Chargers 1255 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,440 Speaker 1: teams that are excellent. And like I was looking back 1256 01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 1: back at my old Pain rankings, and I would have 1257 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 1: a category the patron saying to pain for organizations. I 1258 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,600 Speaker 1: had Marty in that because he was he was the 1259 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,520 Speaker 1: face of the you know, building up those massive Chiefs 1260 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 1: teams in the nineties that would always stumble and fall 1261 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,320 Speaker 1: when they they should have played. Really, um, they would 1262 01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,920 Speaker 1: have played the All Boys in Super Bowl thirty and 1263 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,960 Speaker 1: it would have been a grand one if if their 1264 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 1: kicker hadn't missed three kicks in that game. Um yeah, 1265 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,560 Speaker 1: that was that. That's um, yet another one, And I 1266 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,600 Speaker 1: get just because I have to hear the answer. Rosenthal 1267 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,520 Speaker 1: air corre Els h and Dan Foux's Chargers have to 1268 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,040 Speaker 1: be I think the numbers didn't go back. I think 1269 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,600 Speaker 1: Devodvo it doesn't go back that far. So it goes 1270 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 1: back like thirty some thirty five, thirty six years or something. Um, okay, 1271 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:31,920 Speaker 1: there you go. And I did get a chance to 1272 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 1: meet Marty Schottenheimer when we wrote the blog for Around 1273 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,800 Speaker 1: the NFL Around the League and people would come through 1274 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,360 Speaker 1: the studio and do the car wash. Got to sit 1275 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,920 Speaker 1: down with Marty and his wife, just a really kind man. 1276 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I went into that Shadow League Figures office and I said, 1277 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 1: Mark doesn't want it. Mark would rather just sit and 1278 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,560 Speaker 1: file copy on the Sean Jackson's hamstring injury. So I 1279 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,320 Speaker 1: just handled been talking to un serious guy. I've been 1280 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,840 Speaker 1: talking to damn shik again. I've been keep us all 1281 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,560 Speaker 1: on the ball. All right, there you go, rest in peace, 1282 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:10,200 Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer. Uh check you've come and you've said it all, 1283 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,600 Speaker 1: and uh we really we miss we miss everybody because 1284 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,639 Speaker 1: we haven't seen anybody from the office uh in a year. 1285 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 1: But the fact that you are no longer with the 1286 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,200 Speaker 1: company and that's a bummer too. So it's just great 1287 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 1: to have you on the show. Well, a pleasure of course, 1288 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,480 Speaker 1: and I look forward to once this uh, this insanity 1289 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,920 Speaker 1: uh is lifted being able to you know Rosenthal, your 1290 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,840 Speaker 1: wife West and I two of the great dinners of 1291 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,240 Speaker 1: my life. And I remember, by the way, Handsu Sessler, 1292 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 1: West and me went to a great steak place in 1293 01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,680 Speaker 1: New York City. Rosenthal, the misses Westing and I had 1294 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,160 Speaker 1: a three and a half hour dinner in a restaurant, 1295 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,720 Speaker 1: and you and Rosenthal, handsome and I had one of 1296 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 1: the five best dinners of my life in New Orleans. 1297 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,559 Speaker 1: So I look forward to getting back on that train, 1298 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,000 Speaker 1: and I lament that. You know, I'm happy. I texted 1299 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,080 Speaker 1: they hand zeus last night. Little things stand out to 1300 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,760 Speaker 1: me now. I saw that Barry Larkin has signed on 1301 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,320 Speaker 1: to do color analysis for the Reds this year. And 1302 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,040 Speaker 1: the first thing I b West is gonna love. Uh West, 1303 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,439 Speaker 1: I loved that. He really that would have. Yeah, he 1304 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,639 Speaker 1: loved to watch the Red Legs just purely for pleasure, 1305 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,120 Speaker 1: and he would have enjoyed that. And I joked with Cessila, 1306 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,960 Speaker 1: I look forward to the rise of Joe Burrow and 1307 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,200 Speaker 1: watching West struggle to fight off the urge to start 1308 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,280 Speaker 1: rooting for them once again. But I appreciate you guys 1309 01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,720 Speaker 1: having me on to talk about a great fellow. Check 1310 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,439 Speaker 1: and yes, again Chris Westling is being celebrated on what 1311 01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,639 Speaker 1: would have been his forty seven birthday over on NFL 1312 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,880 Speaker 1: dot com. It's up now. I just checked it out. 1313 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,720 Speaker 1: So if you go to the homepage scroll down, you'll 1314 01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:53,800 Speaker 1: see a lot of his best stuff, including uh, one 1315 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,599 Speaker 1: of his great pieces Ten football books you must read, 1316 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,559 Speaker 1: and he put a ton of work and effort into 1317 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,920 Speaker 1: it in fact and or of Wes and and and 1318 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,920 Speaker 1: thanks to Mark as well for um putting it on 1319 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,880 Speaker 1: my radar. Um. Number one on his list is a 1320 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,760 Speaker 1: Fans Notes by Frederick Exuley Uh, And I scooped that 1321 01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,080 Speaker 1: up on Amazon last week and I just started it 1322 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,840 Speaker 1: and I'm really enjoying it. Like as I'm reading, I 1323 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,519 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I get why West is in love 1324 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,200 Speaker 1: with this book and this writer. But check out as 1325 01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,040 Speaker 1: well if you're if you're somebody who absolutely loves football 1326 01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,439 Speaker 1: and just want craves the best writing about football. Nobody 1327 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: had more knowledge of that than Chris, and Chris sets 1328 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,600 Speaker 1: sets the table so beautifully in that article, one of 1329 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,080 Speaker 1: the many great reads over there on dot com. As 1330 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,479 Speaker 1: we remember the great Chris westling um, alright, anybody else have? 1331 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,599 Speaker 1: I would just say that Fans Notes that Um. One 1332 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,240 Speaker 1: of my earliest memories of West was before I met him, 1333 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,400 Speaker 1: but you know how, you know, you'd start to engage 1334 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,760 Speaker 1: with people on Twitter and go back and forth and 1335 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,680 Speaker 1: we um, I don't know how it started, but we 1336 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,760 Speaker 1: got on this riff about a year and a half 1337 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,519 Speaker 1: before he started at NFL dot com about a fan's notes, 1338 01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,400 Speaker 1: and I immediately just remember thinking like this is a 1339 01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:06,960 Speaker 1: different type of sports fan and sportswriter on Twitter. Like 1340 01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,320 Speaker 1: he wasn't had nothing to do with numbers and analytics 1341 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,760 Speaker 1: and all this other business. He was in love with 1342 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,679 Speaker 1: what that story had to tell us. So I really 1343 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,599 Speaker 1: think that anyone out there who has not read that book, 1344 01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,160 Speaker 1: you will get a sense and a slice of the 1345 01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,840 Speaker 1: West mystique um inside those pages. Well said, well said. 1346 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,000 Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back full slate of shows next 1347 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,200 Speaker 1: week as we start to edge, of course, toward free 1348 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,080 Speaker 1: agency and the draft. And thank you again to the 1349 01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,760 Speaker 1: great Dave Damn Shack. Check him out Minus three pod 1350 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,519 Speaker 1: and the Extra Points podcast and hopefully Dave's the thunder 1351 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,240 Speaker 1: they just you know comes we'll be back. But happy 1352 01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,599 Speaker 1: birthday in the meantime to the Boss and the West 1353 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,880 Speaker 1: and keep up with the mirth fellas. Thank you jack 1354 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,679 Speaker 1: Uh and happy birthday to Greg ros In for two years, 1355 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,280 Speaker 1: Young Jack the Jackie Robinson of the Around the NFL 1356 01:11:54,320 --> 01:12:02,880 Speaker 1: podum had shack the old Boss and the new Birthday 1357 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:07,160 Speaker 1: joy and by behind the virtual of glass. Have a 1358 01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:51,840 Speaker 1: great weekend until Monday.