1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up, 2 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Tuesday, 3 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: January six. We have a great guest coming up later 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: in the podcast. Jim Trotter, a very outspoken media member 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: on many issues. He's long time been a fixture in 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: the NFL community, ESPN s I. He's currently at NFL Network. 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: He has a pretty successful podcast. It's got a cool name, 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Huddle and Flow. I like that. And we'll talk about 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: the coaching situation around the league right now. I think 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: you'll like it. Um. You know, we'll do a lot 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: of Super Bowl. We'll get to Matt Stafford, will get 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: to Deshaun Watson, We'll get to this Adam Schefter business 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: about like as many as eighteen quarterbacks switching to teans, 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: which I think is a little insane. We'll do a 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: lot of that this week. But today is a special 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: day of sorts, and not in a good way. One 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: year ago, exactly today, Kobe Bryant died in a helicopter 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: accident out here in California, and I thought we would 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: take a look at, you know, the day and what 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: it's been like just not not too long. But um, 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: I know Rob g is a huge Kobe fan, long 22 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: time Laker fan. I grew up a Laker fan. I 23 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: rooted for Kobe and Shack. It wasn't like the biggest 24 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant fan ever. Um obviously liked him as a 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: as a basketball player. But I wanted to quickly just 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: you know what happened a year ago and it feels 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: like it. I mean, it's been a hellish year. Um, 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: I want to quickly go back to that day because 29 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: I was talking to my kids about it on Monday, 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: and I still remember. It's one of those moments you 31 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: probably are going to forget for a long time where 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: you were. And we belong to a church out here 33 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and I turned my phone not off, 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: but you know, I turned the ringer off and I 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: turned the volume all the way off and so I 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: don't get any beeps during church. Obviously the wife hates that. Also, 37 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: it's you know church. Um, so the Sunday morning that 38 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: the helicopter crash, like I was in church and I 39 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: get out and it's like they had this coffee and 40 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: donuts hour. You know me, I'm a donut guy. I'm 41 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: running to get the donuts UM with my kids, and 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: then we walk over to the car because my daughter 43 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: has a basketball game and I'm coaching with another dad 44 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: and I pulled my phone out of my pocket and 45 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: I see all these texts and I'm like, what the hell? 46 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: And they keep coming in as I'm turning on the 47 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: volume and stuff, and I see Kobe Bryant TMZ Kobe 48 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Bryant dead in a helicopter. I was a stunt, like 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: just stopped, like literally stopped walking into the car. I 50 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: was like, what is this true? And I said to 51 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: the wife like, hey, you're gonna have to drive. I 52 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: got I gotta see what's going on here? Like what? 53 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: And we also had to change because you know, in 54 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: the church closed, and then I had to go into 55 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: like the basketball gear um, and it was just one 56 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: of those like you're in a fog, like what my 57 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: kids are like Kobe Bryant. What. And by the time 58 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: we get to the basketball game, it's pretty clear, yeah, 59 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: like Kobe Bryant died, but not a lot of other 60 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: details were out. There was like helicopter crash. That was it. 61 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: And we pull up. The games are outdoors because the 62 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: weather is usually nice in southern California. Um, and we 63 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: walk up to the court and like a game's going on, 64 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: but I can see some of the other parents from 65 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: our team like huddling to the side, and you know, 66 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: I start walking over and I can see their look 67 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: on their face. It's like it's kind of like an 68 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: ashen like oh my gosh, like stunned, Like nobody's smiling, 69 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: and everybody's like, like Kobe Bryant's dead, Like what because 70 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Kobe, obviously out here is a legend. You know, 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Geo get to in a second. He grew up out here, 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: and Kobe has been worshiped basketball legend twenty years now, 73 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: I think. And eventually, you know, like the girls are 74 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: hearing it that they were first graders and um, you know, 75 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean my daughter knows who Kobe is, but like 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: it was just like, oh my gosh, he said. And 77 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: then we go up to the referee, me and the 78 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: other dad and we're like, you know, should we do 79 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: a moment of silence for Kobe Bryant? And you know, 80 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: the ref he was just like, I don't know, man, 81 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: it was it's this youngish guy. You know, if you 82 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: coach youth sports, a soccer basketball, whatever, summer league basketball. 83 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: You start to know the refs and I know this guy, 84 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, he uh, youngish black guy, like, um, he's 85 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: seen Mike Kevin Durant Lebron take and gave me, gave 86 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: me some ship one day. Um. And so we're like, 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, acquaintances, and he's like, man, I don't know, 88 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, and he just look like his shoulders 89 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: were slumped and it was just like, oh my god, 90 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: this is just depressing. And then, like I think it 91 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: was after like the first quarter, we find out that 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: Kobe's daughter was in the helicopter, and it was just like, 93 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: oh man, And that was one of those moments where 94 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: you're like, I don't really remember much of the rest 95 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: of the game, and you're just trying to like stay upbeat, 96 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: and you're just thinking, like looking at your I'm looking 97 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: at my daughter doing sports and Kobe Bryant and his 98 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: teenage daughter died in helicopter accident. And all I'm doing 99 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: during like the in between quarters is like refreshing social 100 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: media and trying to read Texas. All more information is 101 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: coming in and it's just it was just devastating, and 102 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: I know I had to leave for the Super Bowl. 103 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: I think the next day down to head down to 104 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: Miami because Fox was hosting the Super Bowl. And it 105 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: was one of those moments where it's like, oh my gosh, 106 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: that was all I consumed for like forty eight hours. 107 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: You know, I just I couldn't get enough. It was 108 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: just like, I just feel so bad for the family. 109 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: It was just it was just one of those really 110 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: devastating moments. Like listen, Hank Aaron passed away last week, 111 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: obviously very sad. Even Larry King passed away. Everybody knows 112 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: Larry King. These guys are old, they live their life. 113 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant's a young guy. I got a teenage teenage 114 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: daughter and I it was just one of those things, man. 115 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: And tomorrow, you know, I talked to my kids a 116 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: little bit about a Monday, and again, I know Kobe's 117 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: been through a lot and he's made his mistakes. None 118 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: of us are without flawed flaws. We've all made mistakes, um, 119 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: And it just it was one of those weird moments, man. 120 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: I thought we just talked a couple of minutes about it. 121 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: I know Rob G has some deep thoughts. He also 122 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: has a daughter. Um, and it's got I think today 123 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: is going to be one of those days where it's 124 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: just a day of reflection. Um about you know, losing 125 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: someone that young. Right. You mentioned that that this happened, 126 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, right before the super Bowl, and you know, 127 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: we were both at Radio Row and the super Bowl 128 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: that week in Miami. And it takes a lot to 129 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: overshadow the super Bowl, you know, the pageantry, the all 130 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: the parties, the hoop lost surrounding it. And I can 131 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: promise you that for the first maybe until Thursday, not 132 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: a single person was talking about the super Bowl. Everybody 133 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: was just talking about Kobe. And I don't think I've 134 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: ever even said this on the air, but I ended 135 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: up going to Miami. Um, I think maybe about a 136 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: week after you. I think because your talent, you guys 137 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: may have went before, you know, the production staff, or 138 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: at least my side at productions was able to go. 139 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: So I think two days before I was set to leave. 140 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: Even the day before, um, they had the funeral, like 141 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: the the Memorial Services Stable Center, and I had just 142 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: had a daughter, as you mentioned, you know, she's you know, 143 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: a couple of months old at that point. She had 144 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: spent um the first week of her life and I 145 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: see you because she was born with breathing complications and 146 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: so that you know alone, I've always had like a 147 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: really strong protection over her. So watching that funeral and 148 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: seeing you know, Vanessa, his wife and his her talk 149 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: about Kobe, which you know, it was tough because, you know, 150 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: because Kobe, I grew up with Kobe, but more than 151 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: anything him talk about they lost their daughter at the 152 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: same time, like he lost her husband and her daughter 153 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: and that that accident. And I remember I was watching that, 154 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: I holding my daughter in my arms, and it's like, dude, 155 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: I can't go to Miami for like I can't be 156 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: away from her, you know, if it can be taken 157 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: away that quickly, Like what the hell what am I doing? 158 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: Like this isn't worth it to me? And you know, 159 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: I almost I had my boss on speed dial, like 160 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: ready to call him, like, look, whatever it cost to 161 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: to refund the air fair and the hotel pay it, 162 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: Like you know, I just I can't do it. I'm 163 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: not in the right frame of mind to to do 164 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: my job the way he needs to be done. And 165 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: so it was jarring. It was, you know, one of 166 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: the toughest weeks of radio that I've ever had to do, 167 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's crazy that it's it's been 168 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: a year already, you know. I guess that tells you 169 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: what COVID has done to people that these days kind 170 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: of just bleed together. Yeah, the days are really long, 171 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: and you know the years go by quick because you know, Rob, 172 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: your your daughter is young. I'm telling you, they grow 173 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: up quick, you know. Forstance Monday, you know, I played 174 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: like an hour of Madden with my kid. Beat him. 175 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: Of course, I beat him with the jets, with the chargers, 176 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: like I'm not. I'm not. He's gonna learn the hard way, Dad, 177 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: come on, cold on. But he's like grown up. He 178 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: knows the place, he's identifying the defense. And I'm like, okay, 179 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: you know I'm in the cover one, all right, I'm impressed. Um. 180 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: And then my daughter had like her coding class. I 181 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: got them both doing like an hour of coding every 182 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: few days just to get and just seeing her excitement 183 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: with like, yeah, look I built this. What my my creator, 184 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: my guy in roadblocks or a girl or whatever, he 185 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: is going to teleport and I'm just my mind is blown. 186 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: Like you know, I felt like yesterday, you know, you're 187 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: playing a little baby guitar singing barely singing songs, and 188 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, the kids just grow up quick. Anyways, we're 189 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: way off topic. UM, I just thought we would open 190 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: with a little Kobe um on the one year anniversary. 191 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: And um, we'll get back to a normal podcast tomorrow. 192 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: But coming up next, we have a great interview with 193 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: Jim Trotter of the NFL Network. Jason likes to think 194 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports. I know 195 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: what sports fans want, but for everything he doesn't, he 196 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: knows a guy who does. Let's just say I know 197 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. 198 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into straight Fire, a guy I've 199 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: known Wolf probably six seven years now, going back to 200 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: when I was at the Big Lead. He's been everywhere. 201 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he's covered the NFL for ESPN, s I 202 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: now he's NFL Network. He has a very popular podcast. 203 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: I like to think straight Fire is a cool name, 204 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: but Huddle and Flow is pretty money. Jim Trotter, Jim, 205 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: how are you man? I'm doing great? Man. Um, all 206 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: those things you said only means one thing. It means 207 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm old. So but it's all good and and thanks 208 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: for the props on the podcast the name, Um, all 209 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: credit goes to our producer, Thomas Warren. He's a Howard 210 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: grad just like Steve Wash and I, and he actually 211 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: came up with it playing off the movie Hustle and 212 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: Flow and so so all credit goes to him. I 213 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: wish I could take credit, but he came up with it. Yeah, 214 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: you guys had some really good stuff recently with Mike Vick, 215 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: who I've worked with. I gotta you know. I went 216 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: to Virginia Tech and, um, Jim, I walked into the 217 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, dressing room one day and Mike Vick is 218 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, oh my god, oh wow, 219 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: Mike Vick. Uh. And I just thought the stuff you 220 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: guys had was incredible. Um, how long have you guys 221 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: been doing the podcast? We actually just started September. What 222 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: happened was when I got to NFL Networking, Steve and 223 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: I both went to management and asked about doing a 224 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: podcasts that would be more, um, more centrics to our upbringing, 225 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, African American culture, all those sorts of things, 226 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: and we thought could have a unique flavor and they 227 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: seemed interested. But it just died on a vine and 228 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: then two years later, after the murder of George Floyd 229 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: where there was this sort of awakening within the league 230 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: and whatnot, they came to us again and asked us, Hey, 231 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: remember that podcast. You guys still interested and so we 232 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: were like yes, and that's kind of how I got 233 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: started again. So, um, initially it's funny, you know, we 234 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: thought we would do one show a week, and we 235 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: just had so many people we wanted to talk to 236 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: that it's sort of morphed in the two a week, 237 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: and then we said we can't do more than two. 238 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: We just time. So right now it's basically been two 239 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: a week and we're just having fun were they're kind 240 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: of learning what it's all about, the podcast game is 241 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: all about, and hopefully just trying to give people things 242 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: are interested in. Yeah, different perspective. I really enjoy it. Uh, 243 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: we'll get to a topic that I know is near 244 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: and dear to your heart, and I'm struggling with it myself. Um, 245 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: but I want to start real quick with the Super Bowl. 246 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: We've got Chiefs Bucks, Tom Brady, tenth Time Verse, Pat Mahomes. 247 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't really know, you know, I'm sick of this 248 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: two week deal, you know, it's kind of annoying, but 249 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: we've got to deal with it. I mean, the storylines obvious. 250 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Tom Brady versus Patrick Mahomes. Is there anything that jumps 251 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: out at you, um in this game that maybe people 252 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: aren't as quick to notice. Yeah, I mean, look, as 253 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: you said, there are so many storylines in this game. UM. 254 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: Let's go back to number one. Coming into the season, 255 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: and we were all asked to pick who who's your 256 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: pick to win the Super Bowl? And I said, well, 257 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: if you asked me the Chiefs versus the field, I'll 258 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: take the field because history had told us no team 259 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: has repeated since I think the oh three oh four Patriots. 260 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: And yet I can't begin to say how I'm pressed. 261 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: I am with the Chiefs at just how they've responded 262 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: to this season and being the target of every opponent 263 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: that they've played, and to be in a position now 264 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: where I mean, if you're asking me, I'm gonna pick them, 265 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: um to repeat as champions. So that's one storyline. Bruce 266 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: arians is another fascinating storyline to me. This is a 267 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: guy who retired twice once after working in Pittsburgh because 268 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: he thought he was never gonna get a head coaching opportunity, 269 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: ends up taking a job with a friend in Indianapolis. 270 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: Check Pagano ends up being diagnosed with cancer, So Bruce 271 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: is the interim coach, goes nine and three and winds 272 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: up getting a head job the next year in Arizona, 273 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: and then winds up having to retire again after five 274 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: seasons because of health issues. Thinks he's not gonna do 275 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: it again, knows that the one hole in his resume, 276 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: and really the hole in his heart, is that he's 277 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: never taken a team to a Super Bowl, and one 278 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: is a head coach. And now he gets another opportunity, 279 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: and here he is, you know, in the championship game 280 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: with a chance to to to um to win that title. 281 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: And the other thing about Bruce that I think is 282 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: so powerful is that he's one of only two coaches 283 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: right now when we talk about the diversity issue of 284 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: coaching staff. Um, He's got minority coaches at each of 285 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: his coordinator positions. He and Kyle Shanahan are the only 286 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: two coaches in the NFL that have that. So that's 287 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: a fascinating angle for me. Um. Then I'm really intrigued 288 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: to see how Todd Bowles, whose defense came up big 289 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: in in the championship game against Darreon Rodgers and and 290 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: the number one ranked offense. How what is he going 291 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: to do to slow Patrick Mahomes and Tyree Hill and 292 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: the Chief's offense. You know. So they're just they're just 293 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: so many levels. I mean, we could talk about Eric 294 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: the Enemy being back in the Super Bowl again, and um, 295 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: it's just that there there are a number of storylines 296 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: you could go with here and and and the one 297 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: thing I haven't even touched on with might might be 298 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: the most important. It's just dealing with COVID all year 299 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: and and the unusual nous of this season and getting 300 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: through it for these two teams. Um, that's a significant 301 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: accomplishing compliment in and of itself. Yeah, let's go with 302 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: Todd Bowles because he as a as a longtime Jets fan. 303 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: I remember he was a Jets head coach and I 304 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: liked him great defensive mind. Never really had a quarterback, 305 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: so he didn't have a chance. But in back to 306 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: back weeks he has bifuddled Drew Brees and he really 307 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: messed with Aaron Rodgers to the point that I thought 308 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: Rodgers had another bad game. So he really did a 309 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: number on Rodgers twice this year, and we're hearing all 310 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: these guys being talked about his potential head coaches, and 311 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: they're interviewing this guy, Leslie Frasier. Uh, like Brandon Staley 312 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: gets a job quickly. How come nobody's talking about Todd 313 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: Bowles with what he's done in Tampa? How is his 314 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: name not really linked to anybody? I think part of 315 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: it is is, um, what went on with the Jets 316 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: that people don't look at the circumstances, you know, they 317 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: just read the headlines. Um. It's like when you write 318 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: a story and somebody puts a headline on it that 319 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: may not necessarily be reflective of what the story actually says, 320 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: but nobody bothers to read the story. I think with 321 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: Todd Bowles, people have read the headlines that he didn't 322 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: succeed with the Jets, So why are we even wasting 323 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: our time? And that's unfortunate. You know, It's funny because 324 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: I did the story not too long ago, talking with 325 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: um four former head coaches who want to get a 326 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: second crack, a second shot at at a head coach job, 327 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: just to to figure out from their perspective why they 328 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: think they would be better the second time around in 329 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: the first and the more I talk to them, the 330 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: more I really believe there is something to be said 331 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: for experience and having gone through it, because no matter 332 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: how well prepared you think you are for that head 333 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: coaching job. And I remember talking to Raheem Morris, Dennis Allen, 334 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: mass Joe to Gus Bradley, and they all say, until 335 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: you sit in that chair, you simply you can't begin 336 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: to understand what's involved with that job. And so that's why, 337 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: in some ways I just shake my head when I 338 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: see teams now going out getting these really young guys 339 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: who you know, have have maybe been a coordinator for 340 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: a year if that. You know, you're talking about Brandon 341 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Staley a handful of years ago. He's coaching at the 342 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: D three level and and now he's going to run 343 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: an NFL club. There's a lot involved with that. So um, 344 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: I think that's what happened to Todd. I think owners 345 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: get enamored by these hot names, and as Tony Dungee 346 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: has said to me many times, NFL owners don't know 347 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: how to hire head coaches. And by that what I 348 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: mean is Tony said that when he gets contacted and 349 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: asked to help with the process or or to give 350 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: his opinion on it. He will say to owners, what 351 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: are you looking for in a coach? And he said, 352 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: invariably eighty percent of them don't know what they're looking for, 353 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: or they just want someone who can win. And so 354 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: one of my suggestions, I know I'm being long with 355 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: it on this one, but one of my suggestions has been, 356 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: then let's take the guests work out of it. And 357 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: so let's say to an owner, prior to even beginning 358 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,239 Speaker 1: a coaching search, take out a piece of paper and 359 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: write down what are the traits that you most value 360 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: in a head coach. Do you want someone with experience 361 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: or no experience, someone younger, someone older, offense defense, special teams, 362 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: someone who's hands on, someone who delegates. Do you want 363 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: a good teacher, communicator? What are the traits the qualities 364 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: that you want. And then at that point, once you 365 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: have that list, it should be able to guide you 366 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: to who the candidates are that you should be in interviewing. 367 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: And at the end of the process, when you make 368 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: your higher my suggestion is go back to that piece 369 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: of paper and look and see how many of those boxes, 370 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: how many of those traits that you listed did you 371 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: check off in terms of this higher and if you 372 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: didn't check off many of the you haven't done a 373 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: good job in terms of who you hired. And for me, 374 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: that's just one way of trying to figure out this 375 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: process because right now there's no rhyme or reason to 376 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: what's being done, and that's that's bad news. And we 377 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: had Eric Mangini on. I know him from being at 378 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: FS one, and you know, he's told me a lot 379 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: of Woody Johnson horror stories. And you just hear these 380 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: owners have no philosophy for their organization, Like what are 381 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: we gonna be about? And they just don't know. They 382 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: just let's give me a splashy name, you know, giv 383 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: me somebody who interviews. Well, um, I mean, hell, you 384 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: look at the Detroit Lions and I'm sure Dan Campbell 385 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: is a nice guy. He's never been a coordinator in 386 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: the NFL and they hired him to be the head. 387 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: When you hear that, are you stunned? I mean, you've 388 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: got really credible guys out there, you know, Jim. Let's 389 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: take the Lions for instance. This is arguably the worst 390 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: franchise in the NFL. Um going back forty plus years, 391 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: and this is an opportunity where they can press the 392 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: reset button and they get Dan Campbell and then two 393 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: days later their quarterback says, Yeah, I think I need 394 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: to get out of here. What I would say to 395 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: you about that is what it says to me, is 396 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: that it's reflective of the process, what's wrong with the process, 397 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: and how diversity plays an issue in this. From this standpoint, 398 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: when an owner is making a higher for a head coach, 399 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: typically the two people who have his ear last before 400 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: he or she makes that that decision is either the 401 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: team president or the general manager. Well, we know coming 402 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: into this season there were only two black general managers 403 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: in the entire NFL, so there was not anyone of 404 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: color to sit there and say, hey, have you given 405 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: this a thought? Maybe you want to look a little 406 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: longer at this diverse candidate. Perhaps The other thing I 407 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: would say to you is look at who was leading 408 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: the search for the Lion's head coach. It was Chris Spielman, 409 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: a former player linebacker from Ohio State. He's that Woody 410 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: Hayes type, you know, who eats nails for breakfast, Give 411 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,479 Speaker 1: me the tough guy talk, all that kind of stuff, 412 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: And what does he do. He goes out and he 413 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: recommends a coach who fits what it is he would 414 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: love to play for. A guy who's just all football, 415 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: you know that, that tough talk, biting kneecaps, all that 416 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and that's who got hired. I wonder 417 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: if someone else had been leading the coaching search with 418 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell have actually been the guy that the Lions hired. 419 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: And and there's no way to know at this point, 420 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: but I would say that that's reflective. A part of 421 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: the problem here is who is it that has the 422 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: owner's here when the owner is making these hires, And unfortunately, 423 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't appear to be folks who are saying, you 424 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: know what, we need to strongly consider these folks over here. 425 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: Because what I would say to you, Jason, right now, 426 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: if you and I were to do something with blind resumes, 427 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take a resume over here, this Nick 428 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: Siriannis and take his name off it. You just see 429 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: his resume. And on the other side, I'm going to 430 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: take the resume of Pep Hamilton's, the former Charges quarterback coach, 431 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: take his name off it, and you see his resume, 432 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: his accomplishing. If I ask you which one was more qualified. 433 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: I guarantee you right now you would say Pep Hamilton's 434 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: based on the resume without knowing who anyone is who 435 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: either is and and that's not a slight to Nick Sirianni, 436 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: it's just a fact. Fev Hamilton has an even interviewed 437 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: for a head coaching job, but Nick Sirianni has one now, 438 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: so clearly, um, the process is not about who's most qualified, 439 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: it's about some other things. It almost feels like the 440 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: billionaires are so insecure that they just want to hire 441 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: yes men around them, not people who are going to 442 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: offer a diversity of thought or opinion, and they don't 443 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: want to be told, hey, you know what, I think 444 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: you're wrong here. You need to look this way. And 445 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: do you think there's too much of that in the NFL, 446 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: where you know, the billionaire trickled down to guys who 447 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: were just going to be like, yes, I it's a 448 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: great idea and just roll with it. And there isn't 449 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: that outside voice. How do you bring that in? Well, again, 450 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: I think it goes back to who has the owners here? 451 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: So I've heard people say at the end of the day, 452 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: owners typically like to hire someone they would want to 453 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: go out and have a beer with, and typically that's 454 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: someone who looks like them. They share some of the 455 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: same life experiences as them. So I get that. But 456 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: the other thing here is ultimately, again, who is telling 457 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: the owner who to consider. So if, for instance, we 458 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: know looking at the egos that Howie Roseman the gym 459 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: has an awful lot of influence, um, and there is 460 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: a feeling out there that they want someone to hold, well, 461 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: obviously he's gonna recommend someone to the owner that he 462 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: feels he can control, that he has more swale. He's 463 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: not going to get a coach who is strong minded 464 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: and independent, um, that sort of thing. So that's the 465 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: process here. When you talk to minority coaches as well. Like, 466 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: the thing that's fascinating to me is there's all this 467 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: discussion about diversity and then I look at it and say, 468 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: there are four four diverse head coaches and NFL right now, 469 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, Brian Flores, Ron and I'm missing one here, 470 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: Robert Salem. So you've got four. Do you know that 471 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: none of them none of those four has an offensive 472 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: coordinator who has a coordinator. I just an offensive coordinate 473 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: has a coordinator who is a person of color. None 474 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 1: of them. And so I've asked previous minoraches about that issue, Like, 475 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: when I look at your staff, you guys talk about 476 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: how difficult it was for you to get the opportunity, 477 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: and we know that that owners look at Gator experience 478 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: as a factor in the higher How come I don't 479 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: see a diverse staff. Um see you with the diverse 480 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: staff in terms of having a minority is one of 481 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: your coordinators. And what some of them have said to 482 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: me is that in essence, the team picked their staff, 483 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: their coordinators because they had to go along with it 484 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: simply to get the job. So go back to air 485 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: Zona with Steve Wilkes. Steve Wilks after one season, he 486 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: was the last coach hired in that cycle, which meant 487 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: what he's picking from the scrap heaps, well, he never 488 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: got to bring in his people that he wanted and 489 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: yet he winds up being fired. Never had a franchise 490 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: quarterback when he was there, but he gets fired after 491 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: one year, which who comes in or at a losing 492 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: record in college gets to draft a quarterback number all 493 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: who's their franchise quarterback, something Steve Wills never had. So 494 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: the system in some way is in the process. It 495 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: just isn't fair, and no one has ever said it's fair. 496 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: But I think unless you really dig a little deeper, 497 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: it's unfair to say that these men failed um without 498 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: being given a real opportunity to succeed. Jim, I'm gonna 499 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: ask you, how much do you think having a powerful 500 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: agent matters in this process? We know the agent's job 501 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: is to cozy up to the to the gms and 502 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: the presidents and the owners. How much do you think 503 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: agent matters, if at all? I mean, I obviously the 504 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: agents think it's a huge deal, um, but maybe you 505 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: have a different perspective. No, I think it matters. I 506 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: think point many of these agents represent not only coaches, 507 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: but GM candidates. So when you start looking at some 508 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: of these teams and some of these openings, and you 509 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: start seeing who's being interviewed, check out whether or not 510 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: the candidates for the head coaching position, whether or not 511 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: their agent also is the agent for the general manager. 512 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: And I think there are times you will find overlap. 513 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: Without question. Let me go, let's go back to Eric 514 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: b Enemy the big question. You know, last year I 515 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: feel dumb in hindsight, but last year people were like, well, 516 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: be Eric B. Enemy didn't get a job, And I'm like, 517 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: but look at the job opportunities. There weren't really any 518 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: good ones. Last year. He could get a job, but 519 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: then you'd have a bad quarterback, a bad franchise, a 520 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: bad owner, and he's not going to really do anything. 521 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it's better for Eric B. Enemy to wait. And 522 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: then he waits and the jobs that come open this 523 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: year kind of good, Like that Charger's job was awesome, 524 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: and I'm a little surprised that, being of he hasn't 525 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: had any offers. Now, I guess you could argue, like, 526 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: hey man, the Chiefs are going to the super Bowl. 527 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: It's tough for them. Uh, tough for him to take 528 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: a job when he's on the way to the super Bowl. 529 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: But it's happened before. Um, what what do you make 530 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: of the B Enemy stuff? Especially this he doesn't interview 531 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: well narrative that I don't know where that came from, 532 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: and I think it's a joke. All you have to 533 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: look at at the people who proceeded Eric B. Enemy 534 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: is offensive coordinator of the Chiefs, um Doug Peterson and 535 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: Matt Nagy. Both of them got head coaching jobs. Despite 536 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: not calling plays. Um, neither of them won a Super 537 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: Bowl with neither name had a League MVP at quarterback 538 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: or a Super Bowl MVP at quarterback, which Eric b 539 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: Enemy has had over the last two years. UM. So 540 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: the fact that he hasn't gotten a job, to me, 541 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: it's a travesty because he has done everything to show 542 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: that he has earned the opportunity. There's nothing more that 543 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: he can do at the point. You can sell plays, 544 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: But we guys get head jobs without calling plays. Nick 545 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: Sirianni didn't call plays, as I said, Mattnege didn't call plays. Um, 546 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson didn't call plays. You know, Andy Reid didn't 547 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: even call plays back in the day when he got 548 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: his head coaching opportunity. So what are we doing here? 549 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: It seems that there's a double standard here. You know, 550 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: we're holding black coaches to a certain standard that we 551 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: don't hold others too. And and that's the part that 552 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: it's unfair here. So people say teams should teams should 553 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: be allowed to hire the most qualified, and I always 554 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: say to that comment, I agree a thousand percent with you, 555 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: a thousand percent. But if we hold again, if we 556 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: hold up on maze, I think we would find that 557 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: the most qualified are not the ones being hired, and 558 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: then what happens is the target keeps getting moved. So 559 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: a couple of decades ago, it was if you want 560 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: to be a head coach in the NFL, you need 561 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: to be offensive side of the ball, defensive coordinates minority 562 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: coaches rushing over their side. In recent years as well, 563 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: you need to be a young, creative, offensive mind and whatnot. 564 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: So now folks were trying to get back on the 565 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: offensive side to get in that pipeline and whatnot. And 566 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: now that they're starting to do that, what are we hearing, Oh, well, 567 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: now we want the young up and comer that maybe 568 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: he's not ready yet, but in a year or two 569 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna be ready, and so we're gonna get him 570 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: now so we don't have to compete for him, meaning 571 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: a guy like Zach Taylor or Brandon Staley or what 572 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: we're hearing, Like we heard from Jim or John Mara. 573 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: When they hired Joe Judge, Well he had a CEO 574 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: presence about him, So that's what we're looking for. They 575 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: just seemed to keep moving the target in terms of 576 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: what they're looking for in a head coach, and that's 577 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: tough on minority coaches. And I can tell you you know, 578 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: people say to me, I get this all the time, 579 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: why do you talk about race so much? Why do 580 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: you talk about race? And my response is if I 581 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: never had to talk about race again, it would be 582 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: too soon. I am exhausted on the topic. I'm exhausted 583 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: on the subject. I do not want to talk about it. 584 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: But the reason I do is because when these minority 585 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: coaches call me and I hear the anger in their voice, 586 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: I hear the frustration, I hear sometimes hopelessness in their 587 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: voice that they will never be able to achieve the 588 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: dream job that they want. But they can't speak on 589 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: it because if they do, they're afraid they're gonna be 590 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: blackballed like Colin Kaepernick was. Somebody has to speak for them, 591 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: and so that's why I speak on it, because I 592 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: try and give a voice to these men who can't 593 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: speak up for themselves for fear of retribution. So again, 594 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about this. But if you're 595 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: just being objective, if you're really being objective, I think 596 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: you can see that something is wrong here and that 597 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: the most qualified are not being being hired. Um, Jim, 598 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: where were you when you heard that the Texans were 599 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: hot for Josh McCown last week? I got a text 600 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: about it and I when it just said McCown, and 601 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: I was like, well, that can't be. I mean, he 602 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: was the best. It was like the third three quarterment? 603 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: What are you? What are you talking about? What was 604 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: your initial reaction again, just the unfairness of the of 605 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: the process that you know, you have Josh McCown, who 606 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: I love. I mean, he is a great dude, I 607 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: mean a great dude, and he's being considered for this 608 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: and met there are black quarterbacks out there whose resume 609 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: is equal to or better than Josh who've been around 610 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: the league. Josh Johnson Um played for thirteen different NFL teams. 611 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: He was coached by Jim Harbaugh in College one championships 612 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: there with Jim Harball in college. Um, he's great in 613 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: the community, good communicator, good dude. Texas didn't didn't didn't 614 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: want him, you know. So my first reaction was, Man, 615 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 1: this is really unfair you know that that these guys 616 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: black and white, and yeah, don't get me wrong on 617 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: this one. This race doesn't matter, and this one it's 618 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: just guys who have been out there grinding, trying to 619 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: climb the ladder to get that opportunity to be a 620 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: head coach. And then here's someone being interviewed for the 621 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: job who has never been a head coach. And so 622 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: I texted Josh and I told him right off the bat, 623 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: I said, you know how I feel about you. I said, 624 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: but I just want you to know, when I say 625 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: these things publicly, where I'm coming from on it, you know. Um. 626 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: And and he and I had a conversation about in 627 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: private conversation over the weekend, and I just again, I 628 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: feel for these coaches who have done everything right. They've 629 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: done everything that they have been told to do in 630 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: terms of setting themselves up to have an opportunity, and 631 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: they can't get that opportunity. Um, what would you tell 632 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: Eric b Enemy if he called and said, you know what, 633 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: I just got offered the Texans job. Um, there's no guarantee. 634 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is staying, you know. I mean, if you're Bunemy, 635 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: I know you've been itching for the job. But given 636 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: the owner's situation, how he outright lied to the quarterback. Uh, 637 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: he's got this guy Easterby in his ear who, according 638 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: to every outlet that's written about, is troubling. He's got 639 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: a Patriots guy in there at GM. I almost don't 640 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that the enemy doesn't get the offer. Jim. 641 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: I know that might sound silly, but I don't think 642 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: that's a good job right now. Um, I don't think 643 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: he is getting the offer. My understanding is that at 644 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: least as of today, there are two other people who 645 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: are going to get second interviews and he's not one 646 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: of them. So I don't see him getting that job. 647 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: But I would say to you, even if he were 648 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: off for that job, one thing my father always saw him. 649 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: He playing dominoes. All money ain't good money, all the 650 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: job saying good jobs, and the Texas job is not 651 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: a good job. From this standpoint, you know, I really 652 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: believe that you're going into a very difficult situation right now. 653 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: Even if Deshaun Watson stays, You've got cap issues, you 654 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: have no draft capital, you don't have picks to the 655 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: third round. You've got a culture problem. Um, you've got 656 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,479 Speaker 1: an owner who doesn't appear to know what he's doing. 657 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: You've got Easterby, who by all accounts, is mettlesome, and 658 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: and is in over his head. And so if you 659 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: go there, you have to go there with the understanding 660 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: that in all likelihood you're gonna have to take the bullet, 661 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: because you may lay the foundation for change, but you 662 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: won't get to the other side to see that change. 663 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: Someone else is going to reap the benefits of your work, 664 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: and therefore you may not get another opportunity again. And look, 665 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: many times when there's a head coaching opening, there's an 666 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: opening because the team wasn't good. So we know that. 667 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: But some situations are worse than others. And this is 668 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: a really bad situation right now. I'll get you out 669 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: of here on this one, Jim. If is there a 670 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: team you think Deshaun Watson or Matt Stafford end up 671 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,479 Speaker 1: with in the NFL that jumps out now? It sounds 672 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: like Stafford's definitely leaving, just a matter of where. Watson, 673 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: of course a little trickier. Yeah. No, I look, I'm 674 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: a San Francisco native, I was born in San Francisco, 675 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: grew up watching the forty Niners. Um, so I would 676 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: love to see just Shaun Watson with Kyle Shanahan. I 677 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: just think that would be ridiculous exactly. So if you're 678 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: asking me selfishly. Yeah, that's what I would like to see. 679 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: Will that happen? I don't know, um, but I'm not 680 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: ruling it out. M Wow, good stuff, all right. Jim 681 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: Trotter obviously listen to his podcast Huddle and Flow. Steve 682 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: Wish you know where I know him from. I grew 683 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: up reading the Washington Post and I was a newspaper nerd. 684 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: My dad would get the paper at the bottom of 685 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: the driveway before he left for work. I would pull 686 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: out the sports and I devoured the Washington Post, Cornier, 687 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: Will Bon, j A A. Donne, all these guys and 688 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: Steve Wish. I was writing for the Post and I 689 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: read the bye lines because I was like, that's the 690 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: job I want. You know, Jim, you're a you're a 691 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: former you know, well maybe not newspaper, but well did 692 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: you do newspapers? Oh? Yeah, for I was at the 693 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: San Diego Union Tribune for eighteen years, and like, you know, 694 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: I just newspaper. It's tough, Like you've got young kids, 695 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: like I can't. My kids don't really know what a 696 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: newspaper is. You know, we don't get it delivered. You know, 697 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: everything they read is online, you know. But at any 698 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: rate date Jim Trotter, I'm a big fan of your work, UH, 699 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: continued success and that we'll talk to you soon, all right, Jackson, 700 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate it