WEBVTT - Persistent Unease 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.360 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:20.400 me your girl Danielle Moody recording from my Eastern Shore bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.360 you know, today get into a conversation with Jonathan that 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:29.520 starts out with us talking about monkey pox and what 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.519 folks need to know, and then, like most of the 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.479 conversations that I've been having over the last couple of weeks, 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:40.240 it spirals into a conversation about mental health and emotional 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:44.960 well being. What I am realizing, just within my own 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.200 friend group and also professional circle, is how many people 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.720 are having a difficult time right now, including myself. I 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:55.800 you know, I was, I was talking to one of 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.560 my best friends and I said, you know, I'm just 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.720 not feeling well like I You know, for those of 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.080 you who know, I broke my toe about two months 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.760 ago at the beginning of the summer and haven't been 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.040 able to work out, haven't been able to do any 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.360 of the things that I really enjoy that helped me 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.880 alleviate my stress. Right, and you know, doing this work 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.080 and being embedded in politics in this type of way 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.759 is no longer joyful, right, And so being able to 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.640 find different ways to offset this stress and offset the 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.800 rage is really important and for me that was working out. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.160 So for two months I haven't been able to do that. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.800 And I have noticed that not only has my weight increased, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.040 as many people have gained a lot of weight during 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:44.880 this time, and that is one of the things that 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.840 happens with me when I am under a lot of stress, 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:52.680 but also just this kind of consistent feeling of this 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.480 It's kind of like this fog of dread. And so 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.800 Jonathan's in our interview today, he talks about the fact 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.960 that he's being asked a lot from different media outlets 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.360 to talk about mental health, to right about mental health, 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.120 and they're asking for specifics like what is the right 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.200 dosage of this antidepressant versus this antidepressant, and you know, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.359 microdosing and all of these things. And the reality is 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.880 is that initially when we were having really open conversations 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:25.600 about you know, different types of mental health medications was 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.400 probably around like the mid to late nineties, when you 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.359 had prozac nation and all of these books and kind 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.280 of articles and people really for lack of a better term, 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.840 you know, opening up or coming out of the closet 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:41.680 in a way about talking about mental health. And what 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.400 I am seeing now, And what Jonathan says in our 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:49.960 interview is that it really isn't about a chemical imbalance anymore, right, 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.440 It is about the stressors of our outside environment, the 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.600 collapse of our democracy, rights being taken away, the planet 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.960 being on fire. You know, the stress if you're a 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.600 parent or a caregiver of sending your child to school 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.280 and not knowing if they're going to be able to 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.000 come home. I mentioned to Jonathan that I was watching 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.000 television the other day and a back to school commercial 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.200 comes on. And I can remember throughout the years and 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.359 back to school commercials that would come on, even though 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.639 I'm well removed from back to school time. It was 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.280 always like a joyous time. Let's get new notebooks, let's 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.120 get new pens and pencils. And the first thought that 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.560 came to my mind as I was watching this commercial 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:34.160 was a mass shooting. Because the school year ended with Uvaldi, right, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:39.080 And so I can't imagine thinking that just in a 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.400 handful of weeks, you're going to be sending your kid 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.400 back to school across the country and it doesn't matter. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.280 It doesn't matter if they're in a rural area, it 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.360 doesn't matter if they're in a suburban area, doesn't matter 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.640 if they're in a city, right that they're just not safe. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.800 We're not safe anywhere. And what does that feeling of 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:01.640 persistent unease due to our bodies, to our brains and 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.280 Jonathan will you know, talk about the fact that there 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.080 are times and we're living in them, we're outside. Stressors 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:14.400 do create a chemical imbalance, do really disrupt our mental state, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.880 our emotional well being and the ability to be able 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.520 to deal with all of these stressors at one time. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.760 And so I do think that it is important for us, 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:27.919 you know, right now, friends to be in deep community 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:32.120 with other people, right to really you know, seek out, 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.760 whether it is the help and assistance of a medical 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:42.400 professional likeotherapist, like a psychiatrist, or you know, to really 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.839 reach out to your friends, to your family, to really 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:51.240 be in regular communication and contact so that you know 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:56.080 that you're not alone. And you know, I took a 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.679 couple of days to come and visit my really close 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.080 friends and you know, just to be outside, to be 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.559 in nature, to just have a break. And I can't 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.320 tell you how important it is for me to be 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.520 able to do that. And I know, again it is 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.640 a privilege, right, It is a privilege to be able 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.479 to say, well, I work from home, I can pick 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.680 up and I can go and just take a break, 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.479 have a change of scenery. But I think that we're 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:28.280 going to need to be incredibly proactive these days about 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.640 articulating what it is that we need and then going 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.200 after it. So if you need to take a mental 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.320 health day right from work, if you need to just 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.120 stay on the couch or stay in bed, I want 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.880 us to be able to do that and detach ourselves 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.800 from the guilt that we should be doing like we 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.279 should be doing better, or I should be stronger, I 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.760 should be this, and I should be that. And I'll 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.640 go and say one of my favorite lines from Sex 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.800 in the City, not the remake, but the old versions 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.400 that I actually liked. You end up shooting all over 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.240 yourself right about all the things that you should be doing, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.520 And there is no should in this moment, Like it's 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:15.440 so fucking overwhelming everywhere that you look. You know, it 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.400 was enough for us to be able to deal with 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.280 and try and wrap our minds around fucking COVID. And 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.720 now you have monkey pocks right where Jonathan is going 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.960 to tell us, by the way that it's going to 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.039 get worse, and that it's not an airborne disease, and 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.520 it's not one that is only going to be targeting 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.760 one community right in the way that it was initially thought. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.800 It isn't. And so when you're dealing with all of 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:43.839 these things and you're just on this emotional roller coaster, 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.480 I think that it is really important to tap in 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:52.600 to strengthening the networks that you have around you, strengthening 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.560 your friendships, your familiar relationships, checking in on people, asking 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.240 people to check in on you. Hey, you know, there 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.400 are some days where I just want to be insular 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.960 and I'm just going to you know, dive into a 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:07.920 book or dive into a show, and I just need 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.280 to detach. But if you don't hear from me for 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.080 you know, a day or two, please do drop me 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.960 a text, Please do drop by my place, Please do 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.840 give me a call. I think that we all need 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:24.320 to start to set up for ourselves what our mental 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:29.640 and emotional care looks like, and then let our community 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.280 in on what that care is. Right. You know, I 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.040 know that a lot of us, you know, don't want 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.360 to put our needs on other people. But if we're 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.880 not looking to those that love us and care about 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:47.120 us to help bolster us in this time and us 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.600 to be able to do the same for them. We're 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.840 not going to make it. We're just not. And so 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.160 I want to encourage you, you know, this week, as 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.280 we move through this week and there's so much going 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.000 on as per usual, to really think about what are 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:07.400 the mental and emotional tools that you are using. Who 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.240 are you going to, what is your tribe, what does 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.440 your community look like? You know, who are you checking 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.720 in on? Who are you asking to check in on you? 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.800 Because I think that we need to be more intentional 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.040 about how we are moving so that we don't fall 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:28.280 through the cracks, right And if you do need more 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.800 aid in terms of medication, then please make sure that 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:38.120 you are visiting a psychiatrist, visiting a doctor and talking through, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.559 you know, the feelings that you have so that you 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.240 can get the best treatment that you can. And I 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.720 just you know, I will leave you all with saying 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:52.600 that we're all living through difficult times. It's unprecedented and 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.080 we don't know the best way and we're kind of 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.040 stumbling through. And so in the comment section, if you 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.719 have found something that works for you and you want 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.000 to offer that, you know, up. Please do I know 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.360 that a lot of you have taken on plant babies 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.800 like I have, or adopted animals, or you know, are 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:14.080 volunteering or doing something that makes you feel connected. If 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.640 you're doing something that is working for you right now, 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.360 please do drop it in the comments section and maybe 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.040 you can help. You know somebody that is silently struggling, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.640 but will look, you know and say maybe I should 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.960 try that. We need to give ourselves grace. We need 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.840 to give those around us grace because we're not going 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.840 to make it otherwise. 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Folks, you know that 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.480 whenever we have the opportunity to speak with our in 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.839 house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, we get to talk about 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.319 a range of things, our emotional well being, monkey pots, COVID, 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.040 you know, all of the things that are giving us 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.720 anxiety these days. Jonathan, I want to start out today 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:08.520 with the World Health Organization's designation around monkey pox and 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:13.240 if you can break down some of the misconceptions, right 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.360 because I think that initially, much in the same way 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.280 that political parties didn't care about HIV and AIDS because 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:26.079 it was predominantly in the gay mail community at that time, 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.080 they kind of just set up, we don't need to 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.840 really have conversations about this, it's not harming everybody else. Well, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:37.280 the who came out and said, actually, it isn't just 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:43.240 in the gay mail community. Now we have two children 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.400 that have contracted monkey pos as of the time that 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:51.080 this is recording eight women and there are sixteen thousand 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.920 cases around the world. So I want you to tell 0:12:55.040 --> 0:13:00.800 us your understanding of these designations, not necessarily understanding the 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.800 deep dive into monkeypox, but like why certain things and 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.319 this is only the third disease to get this designation 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.520 outside of polio and COVID. We live in the worst time. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.320 I mean, like we we live in a time where 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.880 like so I'm just having wonderful fast flax to our 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.920 conversations about the beginning of COVID and everything else like that, 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.800 where it's like people aren't taking this thing seriously. It's 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:39.600 real and uh, and it's just it just feels like, 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.319 I don't know, I'm sure other ages have end of 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.839 days kind of feeling, but it does kind of feel 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.280 like how many different major ass threats can we deal 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.880 with at one time? And this is going to be 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.120 another one. This is unfortunately going to be another one. Now, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.040 First of all, change the damn name. I don't want 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.720 to have to say monkeypox everydy, Like it's just embarrassing 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.120 enough to say monkeypox. So I think part of the 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.960 issue of keeping it seriously is like call it like 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.959 the killer tomatoes or something else. But I just think 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.440 that they put the wrong name on this thing for 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:19.400 people to take it seriously. That being said, I thought, actually, Jason, 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:23.400 who's filling in form do I read, did a great 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.360 segment on this last night, and his point was basically, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.440 so what is monkeypox. Well, monkeypox is it causes lesions 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.320 all of your body, tons of pain, different systemic effects 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.920 in other locals. It could potentially be fatal, particularly for 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:43.320 people who are immunocompromised. It's really painful, it's really obvious. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.400 It's not like a kind of thing of like, oh, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.480 it's just like the flu. You're not going to have 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.640 like red inflame vesicles all over your face and tell people, oh, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.680 it's just like the flu. And so part of the 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.600 issue here is that as this thing starts to spread, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.840 there's going to be a lot of panic because, as 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.480 Jason and other people were pointing out last night, um, 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.000 it's it's quite it's quite visual, right, and so it's 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:07.800 not like you can say, oh, this thing is fake 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.680 or anything like that. And so if this thing does 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.880 start to spread, we're looking at just go watch a 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.560 movie about like the Middle Ages or something like that 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.440 about like you know who, you don't want to date 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.320 in the Middle Ages or something, it was the people 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.440 with like the pustules and the vesicles and all that 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.080 kind of stuff, And so what do we know so far? 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.080 Now that that's my that's my preamble. And I didn't 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.320 mean to laugh. It's serious. It's serious. It's just like, no, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.640 it's but it's just so But I get it. It's 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.360 just so U like, you're not laughing at the you're 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.560 not laughing at the illness. It's just the absurdity of 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.560 how many friggin things are we going to have to 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.880 talk about, how many viruses, how many issues, like in 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.640 one lifespan of two years, are we going to have 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.200 to go through? So I get it, and let me 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.720 let me give you another aside while we're assiding. Today 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.560 today is a side Wednesday. But I've been getting tons 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.480 of calls from media about mental health stuff, which I 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.480 haven't gotten in years, and so I got a call 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.840 from Forbes yesterday to do a piece. I'm doing another 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.800 piece with Showtime about all this kind of thing, and everybody, 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.240 all these interviews are asking what's the right antidepressant for 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.000 people to be on, how should they know when to 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.240 change antidepressant? Blah, blah blah, like as if like we're 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.120 living in the nineties or something. This interview or yesterday 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.440 was saying like what's the right dose and stuff like that, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.040 and I'm like, I just kept saying, I understand why 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.280 people are depressed right now, Like there's so much anxiety 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.360 that in a way it's important to get help, to 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.840 go to therapy, to get medication. But there's also just 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.440 a lot of despair in the air right now because 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:47.360 all these things just keep I mean, planetary destruction, end 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:53.800 of democracy, monkey pox, you know, COVID, everything else. It 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.560 just feels like it's all happening one time. And so 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.760 in a way, I kept wanting to say, I'm happy 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.200 to do these interviews, but there's just so which despair 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.320 in the air right now that acknowledging that we might 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.840 also be having a normal response to like a really 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:11.359 stressful moment I think, is okay. Also, yeah, I'm sorry, 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.760 you know, no, no no, no, no. But the thing is, 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.160 you know, I actually was having this conversation with another 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.080 friend of mine yesterday because we were all sitting at 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.480 brunch right this is over the weekend, and saying, you know, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.600 we're talking about I was talking about the rise in 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.720 how many people are on medication for mental distress right 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.119 whether it is you're taking add a roll because you 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.960 can't focus, whether you're taking you know, pack sale because 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.040 you have this, whether you know, whatever it is. And 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:41.919 so we were all sitting around and saying, are you 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.800 on medication? Are you on medication? And right now none 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.480 of us were, And we're like, we're an anomaly, right, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.719 Like we're an anomaly of people who are currently you know, 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.159 I'm in therapy, have been for years. I didn't just 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.040 start because of you know, because of the pandemic. But 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:01.520 it's just this idea that I think that everybody is 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.240 going to be medicated in some way, shape or form. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.280 Microdosing is a is a term that we weren't really 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.400 talking about five years ago, and it's now in everyday conversation. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:16.200 And so, you know, I am happy that outlets are 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.440 calling you to say, can you talk to us about 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.560 mental health, But then at the same time really concern 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:27.000 about what kind of you know, generations are we setting 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:31.000 up with people that require so much assistance to be 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.800 able to get through their day to day. And the thing, 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.800 the funny thing was, so I'll just say that it'll 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.239 come out today. But the Four's piece. The reason they 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.160 contacted me was because one of the they just they 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:42.800 write a lot of articles about what are the most 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.960 searched terms on the internet, and like the top five 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.240 for the past week is how do I switch antidepressants? 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.200 That's like what top five of what people are searching 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.840 for in this country. And I thought, you know, that's 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.920 really interesting. What does that tell us? And she kept 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.000 wanting me to say like, oh, you know, don't take twenty, 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:03.960 take forty and stuff like that, which I was happy 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.560 to do. And you know, I was actually thinking maybe 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.080 I should go back and get my psychiatry license again 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.439 to start practicing again. There's so much need. But I 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.040 would also say, like the fact that people so many 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.680 people are thinking like should I switch anti precedence, it's 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.600 just it's just like medications aren't good enough right now, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.840 Like you need a village, right yeah. And so part 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.560 of the issue is what I kept telling her, even 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.200 though they did this isn't what they wanted to hear. 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.240 Is the reason I think a lot of people are 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.520 thinking should I switch medications is because there's a lot 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.480 of despair. And it's not just because there's a chemical 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.119 imbalance in their brain. It's because people are living among 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.479 a lot of stress about all of these existential threats, 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:48.920 including monkey pox and so and so I just think 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:50.920 that in a way, I just think we need to 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.280 acknowledge that, like there's no there's we can't even mourn 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.960 like the COVID desk because they keep happening and there's 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.840 another crisis every day. And that was kind of what 0:19:59.920 --> 0:20:03.200 I thought was, you could, we could, we should uhould 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.520 be on the right medication, but you could switch medication 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.960 until two weeks from Tuesday, and it still wouldn't change 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.880 the fact that there's just so much external stress. It's 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.439 almost like a you know, Durkheim that you used to 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.520 talk about anomic stress, like the fact that like the 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.800 world is collapsing that people felt around World War two, 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:23.760 and it's almost like we're in that era. And so 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.520 I feel like psychiatric drugs are made for nineteen nineties 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.280 level stress. So either we need better drugs or we 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.840 need to fix some of our social and political problems. 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.280 You know. But it's I think what you just said 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.400 is is really interesting. So I want to stay there 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.640 for a moment, which is that initially when you're going 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.040 on medication, right, you just said it is about a 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.359 chemical imbalance, right it it's about your serotonin levels. It's 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.719 about you know, being able to regulate and have some 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.720 I'm assuming some type of neutrality or you know, or 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.560 at least a little bit of a bump in terms 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:02.439 of um your your serotonin levels. But that's not the 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.520 case right now, like you're saying, it's it's external factors. 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.600 It's not to say that there's still a significant amount 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.639 of people that are on medication because of a chemical imbalance. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.360 But Jonathan, when it's not a chemical imbalance, right when 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.800 you're saying, like, you know, I was looking at a 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:24.000 report from express Scripts, who does you know, the pharmaceutical 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:28.240 company that you know, kind of keeps tabs on how 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.120 many prescriptions are are going out in the country. They 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.000 said forty there's a forty two percent increase of kids 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:38.080 between the ages of thirteen and nineteen. There is, you know, 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.440 a forty percent increase between you know, those that are 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.760 you know, in their thirties and forties. And so when 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:50.560 it isn't, when it isn't about internal imbalance, it's like, 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.680 you're right, how how are you? How how would a doctor? 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.320 How would a psychiatrist then evaluate what it is that 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:04.280 you need if it isn't about your own internal you know, navigator, 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.080 and and just to complicate that a little more, because 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.240 I think that's exactly that's exactly the point, right, Um, 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:16.240 external factors can cause internal chemical imbalances, right, I mean 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.560 I don't really often use the term chemical imbalance because 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.199 it was made up by a marketing company, but I 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:25.439 would say that external factors. But that's fine, it's very useful. 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.480 It was a good phrase. But I would say that 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:36.159 external factors um create chemical imbalances in your brain. Right, 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.720 It's not like there's just either it's internal external, Like 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.359 there's always a relationship between external and internal world. And 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.639 so again I do think people should get medication if 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.840 they need it, And again I think we need much 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.280 better medication to deal with the shit we're dealing with 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:55.600 right now. But I would also say that there there's 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.560 it's also like an important time for community and community 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.080 support and re ignizing that Like I'm not going to 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.160 call it depression. If you're worried about sending your kid 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.840 to school because of a mass shooting, for example, like 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.200 that's a that's a reasonable response, Like anxiety is actually 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.720 a normal response in that, you know, And so the 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:19.160