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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with

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Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody recording from my Eastern Shore bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: you know, today get into a conversation with Jonathan that

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Speaker 1: starts out with us talking about monkey pox and what

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Speaker 1: folks need to know, and then, like most of the

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Speaker 1: conversations that I've been having over the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: it spirals into a conversation about mental health and emotional

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Speaker 1: well being. What I am realizing, just within my own

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Speaker 1: friend group and also professional circle, is how many people

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Speaker 1: are having a difficult time right now, including myself. I

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Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was talking to one of

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Speaker 1: my best friends and I said, you know, I'm just

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Speaker 1: not feeling well like I You know, for those of

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Speaker 1: you who know, I broke my toe about two months

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Speaker 1: able to work out, haven't been able to do any

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Speaker 1: of the things that I really enjoy that helped me

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Speaker 1: alleviate my stress. Right, and you know, doing this work

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Speaker 1: and being embedded in politics in this type of way

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Speaker 1: is no longer joyful, right, And so being able to

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Speaker 1: find different ways to offset this stress and offset the

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Speaker 1: rage is really important and for me that was working out.

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Speaker 1: So for two months I haven't been able to do that.

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Speaker 1: And I have noticed that not only has my weight increased,

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Speaker 1: as many people have gained a lot of weight during

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Speaker 1: this time, and that is one of the things that

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Speaker 1: happens with me when I am under a lot of stress,

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Speaker 1: but also just this kind of consistent feeling of this

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like this fog of dread. And so

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Speaker 1: Jonathan's in our interview today, he talks about the fact

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Speaker 1: that he's being asked a lot from different media outlets

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Speaker 1: to talk about mental health, to right about mental health,

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Speaker 1: and they're asking for specifics like what is the right

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Speaker 1: dosage of this antidepressant versus this antidepressant, and you know,

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Speaker 1: microdosing and all of these things. And the reality is

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Speaker 1: is that initially when we were having really open conversations

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Speaker 1: about you know, different types of mental health medications was

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Speaker 1: probably around like the mid to late nineties, when you

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Speaker 1: had prozac nation and all of these books and kind

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Speaker 1: of articles and people really for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 1: in a way about talking about mental health. And what

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Speaker 1: I am seeing now, And what Jonathan says in our

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Speaker 1: interview is that it really isn't about a chemical imbalance anymore, right,

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Speaker 1: It is about the stressors of our outside environment, the

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Speaker 1: collapse of our democracy, rights being taken away, the planet

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Speaker 1: being on fire. You know, the stress if you're a

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Speaker 1: television the other day and a back to school commercial

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Speaker 1: comes on. And I can remember throughout the years and

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Speaker 1: back to school commercials that would come on, even though

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Speaker 1: I'm well removed from back to school time. It was

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Speaker 1: always like a joyous time. Let's get new notebooks, let's

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Speaker 1: get new pens and pencils. And the first thought that

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Speaker 1: And so I can't imagine thinking that just in a

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they're in a rural area, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if they're in a suburban area, doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: We're not safe anywhere. And what does that feeling of

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Speaker 1: persistent unease due to our bodies, to our brains and

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Speaker 1: Jonathan will you know, talk about the fact that there

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Speaker 1: are times and we're living in them, we're outside. Stressors

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Speaker 1: do create a chemical imbalance, do really disrupt our mental state,

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Speaker 1: And so I do think that it is important for us,

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Speaker 1: with other people, right to really you know, seek out,

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Speaker 1: whether it is the help and assistance of a medical

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Speaker 1: should be doing better, or I should be stronger, I

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Speaker 1: should be this, and I should be that. And I'll

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Speaker 1: go and say one of my favorite lines from Sex

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Speaker 1: yourself right about all the things that you should be doing,

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Speaker 1: And there is no should in this moment, Like it's

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Speaker 1: was enough for us to be able to deal with

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Speaker 1: and try and wrap our minds around fucking COVID. And

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Speaker 1: now you have monkey pocks right where Jonathan is going

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Speaker 1: to tell us, by the way that it's going to

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Speaker 1: get worse, and that it's not an airborne disease, and

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Speaker 1: it's not one that is only going to be targeting

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Speaker 1: one community right in the way that it was initially thought.

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Speaker 1: It isn't. And so when you're dealing with all of

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Speaker 1: I think that it is really important to tap in

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Speaker 1: your friendships, your familiar relationships, checking in on people, asking

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Speaker 1: people to check in on you. Hey, you know, there

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Speaker 1: are some days where I just want to be insular

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Speaker 1: and I'm just going to you know, dive into a

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Speaker 1: to detach. But if you don't hear from me for

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Speaker 1: you know, a day or two, please do drop me

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Speaker 1: a text, Please do drop by my place, Please do

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Speaker 1: give me a call. I think that we all need

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Speaker 1: to start to set up for ourselves what our mental

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Speaker 1: the mental and emotional tools that you are using. Who

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Speaker 1: Because I think that we need to be more intentional

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Speaker 1: a range of things, our emotional well being, monkey pots, COVID,

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Speaker 1: with the World Health Organization's designation around monkey pox and

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Speaker 1: if you can break down some of the misconceptions, right

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Speaker 1: because I think that initially, much in the same way

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Speaker 1: it was predominantly in the gay mail community at that time,

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Speaker 1: they kind of just set up, we don't need to

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Speaker 1: really have conversations about this, it's not harming everybody else. Well,

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Speaker 1: right I was watching like a clip of one of

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Speaker 1: the right wing you know, rallies, and obviously you go

431
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Speaker 1: to these places all the time and you talk to

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Speaker 1: these folks, but I would argue that they aren't feeling

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Speaker 1: more at ease. The more they actually win, the more

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Speaker 1: unsettled and angry they become. It actually doesn't make any

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Speaker 1: rational sense to me. But what I have what I'm

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Speaker 1: watching is like I'm seeing you're getting all of the

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Speaker 1: things that you've ever wanted, and somehow you still feel

438
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Speaker 1: like you're under attack. Somehow there's this sense of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, deep knees, and they're still coming to take

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Speaker 1: my guns, even though you are able to get a gun,

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Speaker 1: like you know, as easy as you are a slurpee,

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Speaker 1: Like they're coming to take X Y and Z. And

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Speaker 1: you have Marjorie Taylor Green talking about Christian nationalism like

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Speaker 1: the Nazi she is. And you know, and yet these

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Speaker 1: people seem more unsettled and more unhinged. So what do

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Speaker 1: you what do you make of that? Well, it'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see what I mean. It's it's almost like

448
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Speaker 1: a kind of OCD that like, no matter what the

449
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Speaker 1: stressor is, it's we're under attacked by liberals and reframing

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Speaker 1: everything is like we can't say what we want, we

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Speaker 1: can't have our tradition, we can't have our country. And

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Speaker 1: so it's a state of constant resentment and and and

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Speaker 1: and it's powerful. I mean, as I showed in my book,

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Speaker 1: you could be dying and still still be blaming other people. Um,

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Speaker 1: and so I don't know. I guess, you know, I

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Speaker 1: hadn't really thought about it until our conversation today, But

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Speaker 1: I guess what's the mental health of that? Right? In

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Speaker 1: other words, do people across the board this is a

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Speaker 1: total generalization. Do they feel you for it because their

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Speaker 1: owning libs? Is that? Is that a kind of euphoria?

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Speaker 1: Is the is the masochism of always feeling like you're

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Speaker 1: the victim? Does that? Does that create your own mental health,

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Speaker 1: Like what is mental health? What is mental health in

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Speaker 1: the context of that version of Bread America? And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, God, what an interesting research question, right, um,

466
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Speaker 1: because because you know, in a way, your mental health

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Speaker 1: is dependent on continually casting yourself as the victim and

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Speaker 1: being under attack. And does that make you you know,

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Speaker 1: misery is happiness or something. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: like you kind of can't and I that there is

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Speaker 1: monkey box, but we'll talk about a sec here or

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Speaker 1: climate change, like, you know, it doesn't really matter what

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Speaker 1: your view is. Those things are happening and so and

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Speaker 1: mas and mass shootings, right like, all everybody is still

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Speaker 1: sending going to be sending their kids to school come

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Speaker 1: you know, the end of August and September, and you know,

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Speaker 1: funny enough, not funny. But I'm was watching you know,

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Speaker 1: a TV yesterday and I'm seeing the beginnings of the

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Speaker 1: back to school commercials, and Jonathan, the only thing that

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Speaker 1: I see is like you have this you know corporation,

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Speaker 1: and this corporation like, oh, sending the kids back to school.

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Speaker 1: All I kept thinking about was mass shootings, right Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't even look at these you know commercials that

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Speaker 1: are trying to sell people backpacks and pencils to their kids.

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Speaker 1: All I keep thinking about is, oh my god, like

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Speaker 1: they have to go back to school soon. The only

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Speaker 1: reprieve that you have from thinking that your kid isn't

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Speaker 1: going to be shot up is like the fact that

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Speaker 1: it's summer break, but you could still take them to

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Speaker 1: a parade or the grocery store, and that's still be

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Speaker 1: the case. So regardless of whether you're in the reddest

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Speaker 1: of red states or you're in you know, the bluest

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Speaker 1: of blue suburbs or cities, like, you still have the

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Speaker 1: same level of fear here. Right. It's just that it's

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Speaker 1: just like, what's your narrative around that fear? I think

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Speaker 1: it's kind of the issue, right, So, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know before, like I was interviewing people who were losing

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Speaker 1: family members to gun suicide, and their salvation was like

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Speaker 1: getting more guns, which makes zero sense to me or

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Speaker 1: you or probably anybody listening here, but for these guys,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of like any threat, the answer was

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Speaker 1: more guns, and so getting more guns was kind of

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Speaker 1: how they how they tell with it. And so we

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Speaker 1: say go get therapy and like microns and they're like,

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Speaker 1: let me buy another a R fifteen and that'll make

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Speaker 1: me feel safe. I mean, I follow a lot of

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Speaker 1: very conservative people, and I talked to a lot of

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Speaker 1: very conservaive people, and every time there's a mess shooting,

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Speaker 1: they're like, and this is proof that everyone needs to

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Speaker 1: carry a gun and knows how to use it, Like

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Speaker 1: that's the answer to every single thing. Um. And the

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Speaker 1: fact that there are places that they've never been that

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Speaker 1: they can't carry their guns they find to be like

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Speaker 1: an affront to their whiteness and stuff and so um.

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Speaker 1: But again that side is winning because it's a very developed,

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Speaker 1: um political I don't, I don't like. I'm like, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know. Um, let's go let's go back

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Speaker 1: to um to monkey pox for a second and the

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Speaker 1: context Yeah okay, yeah yeah, so okay, so monkey pox,

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Speaker 1: so basically monkey pocks. The frustrating thing is there there

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Speaker 1: has been some version you know, we eradicated smallpox as

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Speaker 1: a society. There's been some version of something like monkey

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Speaker 1: pox circulating around Africa for quite some time. Um, but

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Speaker 1: it didn't like come over here, and we had all

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Speaker 1: the means to defend ourselves and blah blah blah bla

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, there's a version of monkeypox

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Speaker 1: that is not playing by the same colonial rules, and

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Speaker 1: it's spreading, and it's spreading more than we even know.

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Speaker 1: It's spreading through unprotected gay sex. Is as you were saying,

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Speaker 1: was the first version. But the problem is, social designations

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Speaker 1: don't really matter to monkeypox or viruses, you know, treatments

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Speaker 1: like that, illnesses like that. So it turns out, how

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Speaker 1: can you get monkeypox where you get it from close

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Speaker 1: skin contact? You get it from if it's true like

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Speaker 1: smallpox surfaces that have not been clean because smallpox could

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Speaker 1: like live on surfaces for you know, seventy five reruns

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Speaker 1: of The Golden Girls, and you get it from animals.

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Speaker 1: Animals were also reservoirs, And so in a way, if

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Speaker 1: it's following the same rules roughly as smallpox, then this

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Speaker 1: thing is not just going to be a gay people's

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Speaker 1: disease within like four minutes ago. And so the problem is,

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Speaker 1: and this is really different from COVID. There is a massive, massive,

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Speaker 1: massive short shortage of treatment. There's only one company that

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Speaker 1: makes the vaccine. It's Bavarian Nordic something they you know,

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Speaker 1: New York has seventeen thousand doses that we're gone in

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Speaker 1: twenty one minutes. And so the difference is if you

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Speaker 1: think about COVID, I mean, beside the difference of the

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Speaker 1: illness itself. With COVID, it was like there's vaccine for everybody, everybody,

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Speaker 1: please get the vaccine. But that's not what we're going

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Speaker 1: to see with monkeypox. I'll tell you right now. Monkeypox,

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00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: there's going to be like a war for the vaccine,

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00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: like there's nowhere near enough vaccine. And so it's the

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00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: exact opposite. It's the austerity narrative of the treatment. And

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00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: so as this thing starts to spread and people start

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Speaker 1: to kind of see the impact and people might see

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00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: it in their social circles, there's just going to be

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Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety. And I'm just predicting it's going

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Speaker 1: to be the said of the COVID narrative, where actually

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Speaker 1: people are going to be fighting for the vaccine because

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Speaker 1: treatment aside, it's just it's an austerity narrative. Now, what

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Speaker 1: can people do? UM will certainly be careful right now

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Speaker 1: because we don't know how much of this stuff's around. UM,

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Speaker 1: wash your hands a lot, clean your hands a lot. UM,

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Speaker 1: don't go to a bathhouse, um don't um, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because like I'm not saying anything about sexuality,

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Speaker 1: Like I love the bathhouse and Williamsburg. And after I

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Speaker 1: got COVID, literally I it too. Yeah, me too. Know,

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Speaker 1: it's super fun. It's like it's like all these fun

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Speaker 1: saunas and parties and hot tubs and everybody just kind

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Speaker 1: of hangs out. Don't do that because now it just

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Speaker 1: sounds like And the thing is, I was excited after

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Speaker 1: I got COVID. I'm like, Okay, let's go to the

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Speaker 1: bathhouse because they've read this cool dinner party. And now

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Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, I'm not going to do that. But

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Speaker 1: but I would just say be wary because actually, remember

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Speaker 1: we remember when we were careful of like wearing riever

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Speaker 1: gloves and washing our hands for this kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: That's what you want to do. Also because it's it's

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Speaker 1: spread through contact and so it's not airborne, so just

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Speaker 1: be careful about surfaces. And I would bet there's going

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Speaker 1: to be a lot more information about about this coming out.

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Speaker 1: But the problem again is there's a massive short shortage

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Speaker 1: of vaccines and anti viral medication, and so it's going

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Speaker 1: to be more like the Hunger Games than it was, like,

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Speaker 1: you know the thing and I remember we said it

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Speaker 1: on this show. If there was only enough COVID vaccine

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Speaker 1: for half the people, all these white people would have

588
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Speaker 1: been like killing people for the vaccine. So it wasn't

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Speaker 1: about the treatment. It was about the fact that everybody

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Speaker 1: could get it, including people who were not white. But

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Speaker 1: in this case, that's not going to be the case,

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Speaker 1: and so at least for a very long time, and

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Speaker 1: so in a way that we're going to see the

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Speaker 1: opposite social phenomenon as we did with COVID. That's my prediction.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this do you think, Jonathan, that this

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Speaker 1: is going to end up being something one where a

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Speaker 1: couple of months from now, we'll be like, remember when

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Speaker 1: we said there were only three thousand cases in the

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Speaker 1: United States, and now there's three hundred thousand cases in

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Speaker 1: the United States. Is this going to be something that

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Speaker 1: like the Biden administration is going to have to think about,

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Speaker 1: you know, instituting the Production Act in order for us

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Speaker 1: to be able to get more vaccine. Yep, yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing is, so we're going to need

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Speaker 1: to get more vaccines somehow, and the vaccine treats it, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's not like we don't we have a treatment.

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Speaker 1: It's just because we didn't really give a hoot about this.

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Speaker 1: Only one company makes it, and it's like mom and

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Speaker 1: pop and grandma and so and so we're going to

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Speaker 1: need to change that as quickly as we can. But

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Speaker 1: that takes a long time, right to just make a vaccine.

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Speaker 1: You can't just you know, flip a switch. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can't just dy it, you know, like you actually have

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Speaker 1: to do it. And so it takes a long time

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Speaker 1: to make that production. And then companies are probably going

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Speaker 1: to wonder, are like, oh I got burned by COVID,

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Speaker 1: you know, because like vaccine company stock went way up

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Speaker 1: and then they went way down. Um so so there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why it's not just like making

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Speaker 1: a lot more vaccine. It's going to be complicated. But

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Speaker 1: but I would say you're right that we are going

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Speaker 1: to see a lot more cases and people are going

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Speaker 1: to get quite nervous. But again the reminder, this is

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Speaker 1: not an airborne illness, right, This is not an airborne illness.

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Speaker 1: This is a surface illness. So it's a totally different

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Speaker 1: mode of transmission than covid uh, and so the things

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00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: people do to stay safe are going to be are

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Speaker 1: going to be different. Unfortunately, it's about touch touching things,

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Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing, Oh, Jonathan, another uplifting conversation.

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Speaker 1: I mean coble we cover the wee. Yeah, just like

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Speaker 1: monkey boxes. Uh. Donam as always, we deeply appreciate you

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Speaker 1: and pray to God that the next time that we

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Speaker 1: talk next week, that there won't be yet another virus

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Speaker 1: for us to be talking about. And if we are

635
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Speaker 1: talking about this, just call it something else so we

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Speaker 1: don't have to say the word monkeypox for the next year,

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Speaker 1: like MP yeah, something like yeah, the rambo virus, I

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Speaker 1: don't really care, or just something else. Oh, Dear God,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Indisputable with Doctor Rashad Ricci is one

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