WEBVTT - Iggy Pop, Part 2 0:00:15.436 --> 0:00:22.756 Pushkin. Today, we have part two of Rick Rubin's conversation 0:00:22.956 --> 0:00:26.356 with proto punk icon Iggy Pop. If he didn't catch 0:00:26.396 --> 0:00:28.836 part one last week, where Iggy talked about his early 0:00:28.916 --> 0:00:31.476 days with the Stooges and the inspiration behind some of 0:00:31.476 --> 0:00:34.196 their most seminal songs, be sure to go check that out. 0:00:34.716 --> 0:00:37.116 On today's episode, you'll hear Iggy speak in depth about 0:00:37.156 --> 0:00:39.836 the years he spent working and touring with David Bowie. 0:00:40.396 --> 0:00:44.196 He also explains how James Brown inspired his legendary performance style, 0:00:44.596 --> 0:00:47.556 and then recalls the ridiculous antics that led to him 0:00:47.556 --> 0:00:53.156 bleeding on stage for the very first time. This is 0:00:53.236 --> 0:00:57.036 broken record liner notes for the digital age. I'm justin Richmond. 0:00:57.836 --> 0:01:01.476 Here's Rick Rubin with Iggy Pop. Why do you think 0:01:01.756 --> 0:01:06.916 the Stooges got popular over time? You know, there are 0:01:06.956 --> 0:01:10.076 probably a lot of good, other good reasons that have 0:01:10.196 --> 0:01:13.876 to do with the work, But one thing might be this. 0:01:14.396 --> 0:01:18.836 It occurs to me when something isn't pushed at you, 0:01:19.676 --> 0:01:24.236 the lister is allowed to find it for themselves, and 0:01:24.996 --> 0:01:28.556 something you've found for yourself and you like or your 0:01:28.596 --> 0:01:31.716 friend told you about it, maybe that has a lot 0:01:31.796 --> 0:01:35.916 more of a power, staining power than something that this 0:01:36.116 --> 0:01:40.116 is a five star review, you know, or this is 0:01:40.156 --> 0:01:43.276 what's happening now, or this is what you can hear 0:01:43.356 --> 0:01:45.476 on the radio whether you like it or not. Is 0:01:45.516 --> 0:01:47.436 it good enough? It better because you're not going to 0:01:47.556 --> 0:01:51.556 hear anything else, all that sort of thing. It gets 0:01:51.596 --> 0:01:57.356 a quick result, but maybe it also kind of spoils something, 0:01:57.476 --> 0:02:00.676 So that might be one reason. And the other reason 0:02:00.676 --> 0:02:04.196 I would just say is that the stuff has a 0:02:04.196 --> 0:02:08.756 good groove. It's the groove, I would say, and not 0:02:09.196 --> 0:02:13.756 too pushy. Probably those reasons, and maybe also that it's 0:02:13.796 --> 0:02:17.556 a little bit um, it's a little bit more fringe, 0:02:18.236 --> 0:02:23.436 and maybe for some reason in the new world there's 0:02:23.476 --> 0:02:27.316 a larger space for fringe for what used to be fringe. 0:02:28.356 --> 0:02:32.756 Everybody's the same size on the internet. But when when 0:02:33.636 --> 0:02:38.396 I used to go to record stores, to especially the chains, 0:02:38.876 --> 0:02:43.116 to buy something, some people would be a card you 0:02:43.236 --> 0:02:45.556 walk in, there's a cardboard cut out of the artist 0:02:45.636 --> 0:02:48.956 eight feet high, and some other artists you have to 0:02:48.956 --> 0:02:50.756 go to the back of store and look through the 0:02:50.836 --> 0:02:54.196 stacks to find their stuff. So there's there. We used 0:02:54.196 --> 0:02:59.196 to be more obvious differences, I would say, and we 0:02:59.276 --> 0:03:02.956 still have that. We still have some artists that do 0:03:03.116 --> 0:03:07.036 a lot of numbers, you know, and others that don't. 0:03:07.156 --> 0:03:11.196 But for some reason it seemed to be ahead of 0:03:11.196 --> 0:03:16.356 its time. That's the old saw, I guess. But something 0:03:16.396 --> 0:03:19.716 about them, I don't know exactly, could be maybe the 0:03:19.756 --> 0:03:23.596 world just caught up, yeah something yeah, yeah, society kind 0:03:23.596 --> 0:03:29.036 of came halfway. And so we know so many artists 0:03:29.436 --> 0:03:35.076 have been inspired by your on stage performance. Artists I've 0:03:35.116 --> 0:03:38.636 worked with, many artists have been inspired by you. Who 0:03:38.676 --> 0:03:41.716 were the artists that inspired you to do what you 0:03:41.796 --> 0:03:47.676 do in terms of the visual aspect of performance. James Brown, Yeah, 0:03:47.836 --> 0:03:52.436 number one first and foremost, and then I'm trying to think. 0:03:53.756 --> 0:03:58.076 I mean both Jim Morrison and Mick Jagger when I started, 0:03:58.836 --> 0:04:03.556 those were two people that it would be wise to 0:04:03.636 --> 0:04:08.556 study check out what they do, you know, although at 0:04:08.596 --> 0:04:15.796 the time Mick Jagger didn't do anything really particularly strange 0:04:15.956 --> 0:04:19.196 at first. There wasn't a pushy performance when I first 0:04:19.196 --> 0:04:24.236 saw them. That was nineteen sixty five, I was they 0:04:24.276 --> 0:04:28.836 played Cobal Hall. I was still in high school and 0:04:29.276 --> 0:04:31.836 it was Brian Jones was still in the band, and 0:04:31.956 --> 0:04:36.156 they just lined up in a row and played and 0:04:36.236 --> 0:04:42.396 there was they all looked amazing. Frankly, and all looked 0:04:42.436 --> 0:04:45.516 really good. At Mick Jagger had had a very large 0:04:45.516 --> 0:04:50.916 head and the movement comes from the head really, But 0:04:50.996 --> 0:04:53.876 that was that. It was just a great visual. Then 0:04:53.876 --> 0:04:57.356 when I saw them again in sixty nine, then that 0:04:57.516 --> 0:05:00.596 was the tour with the he wore the Leo sign, 0:05:01.476 --> 0:05:05.396 the black outfit and the American cardboard hat and all that, 0:05:05.516 --> 0:05:09.076 and that was full performance, which is I could see 0:05:09.156 --> 0:05:11.836 a little bit of Tina Turner. I could see a 0:05:11.876 --> 0:05:15.556 little bit of well quite a bit of Tina Turner, 0:05:15.596 --> 0:05:19.196 and then some stuff of his own. Jim Morrison, that 0:05:19.396 --> 0:05:23.796 was a whole other Ballgabe. This guy had benefited, i 0:05:23.836 --> 0:05:28.396 think from he had a good quality college education in 0:05:28.796 --> 0:05:32.516 the UCLA Film School, so he was he was a 0:05:32.556 --> 0:05:37.676 film major there. And so he's singing, he's singing and 0:05:37.796 --> 0:05:40.876 things about you know, with where the lyric is taken 0:05:40.996 --> 0:05:47.116 from French novelists two hundred years ago. He was from 0:05:47.196 --> 0:05:50.156 Saline at the end of the night and this sort 0:05:50.156 --> 0:05:53.596 of thing, and he was doing he was doing some 0:05:53.676 --> 0:05:56.876 movements that I'm sure he got straight off the side 0:05:56.876 --> 0:06:00.756 of a Grecian urn, you know, like had tried to 0:06:01.436 --> 0:06:07.116 trying to explore the the idea of theatrical badness, although 0:06:07.156 --> 0:06:10.676 I antonied our toe with that kind of thing. So 0:06:11.636 --> 0:06:15.196 that was interesting. But with both these guys at the time, 0:06:15.276 --> 0:06:18.276 you're you're young, you're starting out. These were the two 0:06:18.356 --> 0:06:23.956 poles of what was interesting in white rock and what 0:06:23.996 --> 0:06:28.196 they both did well. They centered, well, that's the main 0:06:28.356 --> 0:06:32.236 thing to her a vocalist. You know, I ran into 0:06:32.316 --> 0:06:36.116 you at nine inch nails show in the Forum and 0:06:36.236 --> 0:06:38.316 we were sitting at the mess mixing desk and I've 0:06:38.316 --> 0:06:41.516 never seen him work, and he just came right out 0:06:41.996 --> 0:06:46.516 at Mike and he centered. And when when somebody centers, 0:06:46.556 --> 0:06:49.516 well they don't even have to move, you know, that 0:06:49.716 --> 0:06:54.956 whole energy comes into them, back to the band, out 0:06:55.036 --> 0:06:59.036 through them and it acts like some sort of battery 0:06:59.396 --> 0:07:02.356 or something. So that was that's what I got out 0:07:02.356 --> 0:07:07.316 of them. And with James Brown, it's sure, it's amazing 0:07:07.396 --> 0:07:10.876 to watch what he's Julia get everything, but what's really 0:07:10.916 --> 0:07:16.676 behind it, what makes it click. From the moment he's 0:07:16.716 --> 0:07:20.236 getting ready, even before he steps out there, until he's 0:07:20.316 --> 0:07:28.036 gone from your sight, the concentration never ebbs. He never 0:07:28.516 --> 0:07:31.596 goes down to ninety percent while he reaches for a 0:07:31.636 --> 0:07:34.236 glass of water. And if he oh no, no, no 0:07:35.916 --> 0:07:43.596 at all time. It's a concentration. It resembles paranoia, and yeah, 0:07:44.476 --> 0:07:47.596 he's really there, you know, and I used to love 0:07:47.636 --> 0:07:53.876 it is. And one of his autobiographies he would tell 0:07:53.916 --> 0:07:59.276 about a backstage he would have a hairdresser because he 0:07:59.516 --> 0:08:04.156 wouldn't leave the backstage until his hair was perfectly quaffed again, 0:08:04.476 --> 0:08:08.156 and no one could see him that way. And he 0:08:08.276 --> 0:08:11.116 told the story once about how the one they got 0:08:11.156 --> 0:08:14.196 the band got to the point where he had a Cadillac, 0:08:14.556 --> 0:08:17.716 but they didn't have AC at it or it was 0:08:17.916 --> 0:08:23.476 broken or something. At some point they they had to 0:08:23.516 --> 0:08:26.076 travel down the road with all the windows of dying 0:08:26.516 --> 0:08:30.556 of asphyxiation, so everybody would think they had the ac 0:08:31.316 --> 0:08:34.436 you know. And he tells another time about Yes, he 0:08:34.556 --> 0:08:37.036 tells it about another time when the same car broke 0:08:37.156 --> 0:08:39.476 down and he said, yes, so I made the band 0:08:39.996 --> 0:08:42.156 get out and crouch down and push it, but so 0:08:42.356 --> 0:08:46.796 nobody would see jump in, you know, all stuff like that. 0:08:47.076 --> 0:08:51.996 You know, it's very very full full on. You know. 0:08:53.076 --> 0:08:56.636 He has a Christmas song, one of his great Christmas songs, 0:08:57.036 --> 0:08:59.916 and he gets to the end of, you know, some 0:08:59.916 --> 0:09:03.356 some homilies about Christmas, and every day that he goes 0:09:03.796 --> 0:09:06.636 and be sure to come to my Christmas show. You know, 0:09:06.796 --> 0:09:10.276 he said, sell that Christmas show and by the Christmas record, 0:09:10.396 --> 0:09:13.996 you know, yeah, his work at it. You know. Did 0:09:14.036 --> 0:09:17.436 you ever get to see The Doors live? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 0:09:17.516 --> 0:09:21.436 well that was the big push. I saw them twice live, 0:09:21.556 --> 0:09:26.156 and the first one was what pushed me into getting 0:09:26.196 --> 0:09:28.676 on stage or the Stooges. I'd been trying to form 0:09:28.716 --> 0:09:30.996 the band, and we were living together and trying to 0:09:31.036 --> 0:09:35.676 get ideas for what we might do. And The Doors, 0:09:36.196 --> 0:09:40.196 after their first album, came to the University of Michigan 0:09:40.276 --> 0:09:45.996 to play of Homecoming dance in a basketball arena, not 0:09:46.116 --> 0:09:49.116 even arena like we have now, just a basketball place 0:09:49.276 --> 0:09:52.796 with some bleachers, sort of like the scene in the 0:09:52.876 --> 0:09:57.836 Nirvana video, right, okay like that, and there was just 0:09:57.916 --> 0:10:01.356 a little stage, you know, eighteen inches high or something. 0:10:01.996 --> 0:10:06.556 They had Jordan Boss amps and a column speakers instead 0:10:06.596 --> 0:10:09.516 of a PA. They did not have enough equipment to 0:10:09.556 --> 0:10:13.676 reach the room, and they didn't know about that sort 0:10:13.676 --> 0:10:16.316 of thing yet. They were a weekend band, coming out 0:10:16.356 --> 0:10:18.876 and playing on the weekends and then going back to 0:10:18.996 --> 0:10:23.316 LA But they had this big hit record and the 0:10:23.476 --> 0:10:28.076 band came kind of sauntered out without Morrison and started 0:10:28.156 --> 0:10:32.516 up the rift to Soul Kitchen. It didn't really sound 0:10:32.596 --> 0:10:36.476 right because it just wasn't amplified in a way that 0:10:36.556 --> 0:10:38.916 you could grasp it. It was all right, I guess. 0:10:39.556 --> 0:10:43.276 And then he came out dressed in black vinyl head 0:10:43.316 --> 0:10:47.876 to toe with a ruffled shirt. His hair was oiled 0:10:48.196 --> 0:10:53.396 and curled and down past his nipples, and his eyes 0:10:53.436 --> 0:10:56.836 were like saucers. He was obviously on a lot of 0:10:57.436 --> 0:11:02.956 probably LSD, could have been psilocybin, and he sort of 0:11:03.356 --> 0:11:07.356 did this thing like Tina Turner might do, or sothre 0:11:07.396 --> 0:11:09.836 like Mick Jagger might do. Were you the arms go 0:11:09.996 --> 0:11:12.996 up like a chicken, but his was a more drunken version, 0:11:13.716 --> 0:11:17.876 and he didn't sing. He just ad The guys at 0:11:17.916 --> 0:11:20.756 this thing are like, you know, they're frat guys with 0:11:20.876 --> 0:11:24.116 their dates, and they're starting to think, what is this ship? 0:11:24.716 --> 0:11:27.556 You know, they're getting pissed off. And then when he 0:11:27.716 --> 0:11:32.356 started to finally sing, he sang soul Kitchen in a falsetto. 0:11:33.156 --> 0:11:39.156 They're class it's time, Yeah, in a falsetto, and then yeah, 0:11:39.236 --> 0:11:43.236 and they started getting really bad, and you put, you know, 0:11:43.316 --> 0:11:45.556 do things like you do if you're if you're drunk. 0:11:45.556 --> 0:11:49.076 He put his arm around Robbie Krieger's this is my man, 0:11:50.196 --> 0:11:53.036 my man gonna play some blues. You know, there's like 0:11:53.596 --> 0:11:55.796 like a bad drunk and that was about to get 0:11:55.836 --> 0:11:59.156 eighty six from a bar. Yeah, I believe. Yeah, So 0:11:59.196 --> 0:12:03.156 the I was just fascinated. Yeah, I loved it, and 0:12:03.156 --> 0:12:06.756 I said, wow, you know this guy is this is 0:12:06.836 --> 0:12:09.476 quite a spectacle that he's getting away with this, and 0:12:10.556 --> 0:12:13.516 that the gig was. They got through it a very 0:12:13.596 --> 0:12:18.156 short program and left basically, and they were kind of 0:12:18.236 --> 0:12:21.516 lucky not to get their butts kicked. Yeah, it was 0:12:21.556 --> 0:12:25.836 a crew cut time still for most people then. So 0:12:25.956 --> 0:12:31.076 I thought, well, boy, I could do that. Well, yes, exactly, 0:12:31.156 --> 0:12:33.796 I could do that. Yeah, the old I could. I 0:12:33.796 --> 0:12:41.036 could alienate people, yeah they hate him, I can yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:41.076 --> 0:12:44.516 exactly exactly. Funny. What was the second time you saw 0:12:44.556 --> 0:12:48.956 them like that? Was different? They played Cobal Hall in Detroit. 0:12:49.676 --> 0:12:52.676 It was either on their second or third album. Had 0:12:52.716 --> 0:12:56.636 a full house and a large, you know, typical arena 0:12:56.796 --> 0:13:03.316 stage and beautifully amplified. Everything really well separated and produced, 0:13:03.356 --> 0:13:06.716 and he sounded great and they just went through their 0:13:06.756 --> 0:13:10.156 stuff and it sounded good. But he's still took the 0:13:10.316 --> 0:13:12.956 effort to try to do something a little different. So 0:13:13.036 --> 0:13:16.396 at one time he sort of jumped off the stage 0:13:17.036 --> 0:13:22.476 and ran again kind of in a pre Raphaelite way, 0:13:23.516 --> 0:13:26.996 up the whole setter aisle of the arena to the 0:13:27.076 --> 0:13:30.276 back and then ran all the way back during an 0:13:30.276 --> 0:13:36.716 instrumental part. And then later after the show, Dave, all 0:13:36.756 --> 0:13:40.196 the students went. Dave the bass player, said to me, yeah, 0:13:40.196 --> 0:13:42.916 I was walking. I was walking to the men's room. 0:13:43.516 --> 0:13:48.316 There's Jim Morrison walking around, you know, outside in the corridor, 0:13:48.396 --> 0:13:51.396 and he said hi. You know, so he was like 0:13:51.476 --> 0:13:55.116 that he had this concept, you know, he had this 0:13:55.156 --> 0:14:00.996 one lyric American boy, American girl, most beautiful people in 0:14:01.076 --> 0:14:06.676 the world, a nice, nice sentiment, you know. So I 0:14:06.716 --> 0:14:10.276 think he had this, uh he wanted to be a kid. 0:14:10.916 --> 0:14:13.596 And he would say, they teach me how to live. 0:14:14.076 --> 0:14:18.076 So I think he wanted to be a kid forever 0:14:18.796 --> 0:14:22.356 sort of thing. And there was something really really nice 0:14:22.396 --> 0:14:27.716 in that. I saw a footage of his performances, and 0:14:27.836 --> 0:14:31.636 he was deliberate on stage. He'd be thinking he'd been 0:14:31.676 --> 0:14:33.796 wanting to come up with something to get put some 0:14:33.956 --> 0:14:36.836 entertainment in here. But on the other hand, he would 0:14:36.836 --> 0:14:39.316 sought her across the stage just to move the mic 0:14:39.436 --> 0:14:42.516 stand or something. Okay, I'm moving a mic stand now 0:14:42.676 --> 0:14:45.436 or whatever it is. What was the first time you 0:14:45.476 --> 0:14:51.636 ever bled on stage? That would have been the second 0:14:51.876 --> 0:14:56.396 Stooges show. It was sort of my first stage dive too. 0:14:56.436 --> 0:14:59.516 We re opened him from Mothers of Invention at the 0:14:59.596 --> 0:15:04.196 Ballroom and I was just at this point it was like, 0:15:04.636 --> 0:15:06.716 if this group is going to survive, we have to 0:15:06.756 --> 0:15:11.196 do something every show, make sure nothing nobody forgets us. 0:15:12.236 --> 0:15:16.156 And so I didn't feel the full connection was being made. 0:15:17.036 --> 0:15:20.476 And there were a couple of very healthy girls who 0:15:20.476 --> 0:15:23.676 were laying on their backs right in front of the 0:15:23.756 --> 0:15:26.556 stage watching the thing, and I thought, well, I'm just 0:15:26.556 --> 0:15:29.876 going to fall on top of them that maybe that'll 0:15:29.916 --> 0:15:33.156 be exciting and I so I did that, and they 0:15:33.356 --> 0:15:36.436 separated and I hit my teeth. I used to have 0:15:36.516 --> 0:15:41.836 these protuberant front teeth. I hit them on the floor 0:15:41.876 --> 0:15:46.316 and I chipped one and one went through my my 0:15:46.596 --> 0:15:48.316 you know, I cut a little cut in my lip 0:15:48.356 --> 0:15:51.196 and started to bleed a little. So that that was 0:15:51.236 --> 0:15:54.116 the first time. Do you think if you were not 0:15:54.556 --> 0:16:00.796 in a band and not performing, you would still in 0:16:00.916 --> 0:16:04.956 regular life put yourself in situations where you would end 0:16:05.036 --> 0:16:12.156 up bloody or beaten. That's interesting. I don't generally, I 0:16:12.196 --> 0:16:15.356 don't have a very long history of being beaten by others, 0:16:16.316 --> 0:16:18.916 just a couple of times. So it's mostly, you know, 0:16:19.436 --> 0:16:23.916 mostly my own doing. Probably, I would say, if only 0:16:23.996 --> 0:16:28.116 because my mother used to. My mother told me that, 0:16:28.436 --> 0:16:30.996 I think, and I remembered. By the time I was six, 0:16:31.836 --> 0:16:35.796 I already had twelve or fifteen stitches in my chin 0:16:35.996 --> 0:16:40.636 from running and falling overhead first, headlong, that sort of thing. 0:16:41.316 --> 0:16:47.516 So maybe that was just there in my fate. Perhaps. Yeah. Yeah, 0:16:47.556 --> 0:16:52.076 I haven't blared in well, Yeah, I had one on 0:16:52.156 --> 0:16:56.156 the last tour. I tripped over something. It hits. I 0:16:56.276 --> 0:17:00.036 bleed a lot less these days. Yeah. Yeah. Has it 0:17:00.116 --> 0:17:04.956 ever been intentional or it's always been accidental? It has been. 0:17:05.556 --> 0:17:08.956 There was a long period of time when I was 0:17:09.236 --> 0:17:13.316 just very uncomfortable with the relationship with the audience it 0:17:13.356 --> 0:17:18.036 would be with if the relationship wasn't good and I 0:17:18.116 --> 0:17:21.076 had to keep going or you know, here I am 0:17:21.156 --> 0:17:24.716 in the wrong town or the wrong place or whatever, 0:17:25.276 --> 0:17:28.196 and I would just kind of scratch, you know. And 0:17:28.276 --> 0:17:33.236 I wasn't scratching to make blood. I was just scratching, 0:17:34.156 --> 0:17:38.116 you know. So that became kind of a something that 0:17:38.756 --> 0:17:41.516 was present on and off for a long time and 0:17:41.916 --> 0:17:45.356 had to do with my nerves. I don't have those 0:17:45.396 --> 0:17:50.916 problems anymore, but other times, like there was a fairly 0:17:50.996 --> 0:17:56.436 famous time when I got a big gash and Max's 0:17:56.516 --> 0:18:00.956 Kansas City, and that was just I was on top 0:18:00.996 --> 0:18:03.676 of a table trying to get a rise out of 0:18:03.716 --> 0:18:07.196 a Look you play Max's Kansas City. At that time, 0:18:07.836 --> 0:18:11.716 it had become so celebrated that they put in rock 0:18:11.836 --> 0:18:15.316 shows and if you were someone like us, like the 0:18:15.356 --> 0:18:20.196 Stooges at the time, the entire audience, it seemed they 0:18:20.196 --> 0:18:23.996 were all critics, and they all have glasses on and 0:18:24.156 --> 0:18:27.756 I could see the stage lights reflected at their glasses. 0:18:27.836 --> 0:18:30.796 They're all just kind of staring at us, right, they 0:18:30.836 --> 0:18:34.196 give you nothing back. And so I got on top 0:18:34.276 --> 0:18:38.916 of a cocktail table to sing, trying to push things 0:18:38.956 --> 0:18:43.636 a little bit, and the table lost the balance at 0:18:43.636 --> 0:18:47.876 the table, the table went over and I got cut 0:18:47.956 --> 0:18:50.956 on the stem of a broken margarita glass. But it 0:18:51.076 --> 0:18:55.036 was an accident. I didn't roll around in glass or anything. 0:18:55.476 --> 0:18:59.076 It was just an accident. One thing about me, if 0:18:59.116 --> 0:19:01.796 I get hurt or if I get cold, or if 0:19:01.836 --> 0:19:04.916 I'm in the rain or whatever it is, I'm not 0:19:04.956 --> 0:19:12.356 going to stop. I don't do that. I'm not gonna sorry. Nah, 0:19:12.436 --> 0:19:15.356 So you know, I just keep going. In that case, 0:19:15.396 --> 0:19:21.396 I kept going, and and there there was blood was drippy. Okay, okay, 0:19:21.676 --> 0:19:24.356 oh wait a minute, ladies and gentlemen, while I take 0:19:24.396 --> 0:19:27.476 care of no, I'm doing the show. Yeah, yeah, you're 0:19:27.596 --> 0:19:34.956 James Brown. I think I'm James Brown. Yes, I do. Yep, 0:19:35.956 --> 0:19:40.556 the spirit of James Brown has crept into my body. Yes, 0:19:40.676 --> 0:19:47.036 I understand. An English guy who had the sir god 0:19:47.196 --> 0:19:52.036 lord somebody he was a lord who had this show, 0:19:52.196 --> 0:19:55.036 south Bank show, a big arts show there, and he 0:19:55.116 --> 0:19:59.876 came to Miami to interview and he said, well, obviously 0:20:00.276 --> 0:20:07.116 you are possessed, so you know. Yeah, so there you go. 0:20:07.436 --> 0:20:10.676 You know. We're gonna pause for a quick break and 0:20:10.716 --> 0:20:13.436 then we'll be back with Rick Rubin and Iggy Pop. 0:20:17.596 --> 0:20:20.876 We're back with more from Rick Rubin's conversation with Iggy Pop. 0:20:21.516 --> 0:20:24.036 We talked a little bit about your relationship to music earlier. 0:20:24.076 --> 0:20:26.556 Would you say that music is different for you than 0:20:26.636 --> 0:20:30.156 other forms of art or can you be as taken 0:20:30.196 --> 0:20:35.076 and moved by all kinds of great art. Painting is 0:20:35.276 --> 0:20:41.476 close painting because it doesn't move, and it gives me 0:20:41.596 --> 0:20:44.956 more of a chance to go in. But it's not 0:20:45.796 --> 0:20:49.156 in the same does not have the same drama for 0:20:49.396 --> 0:20:53.476 me or the same raw excitement, but it does have 0:20:53.596 --> 0:20:59.636 a powerful, powerful impact. It can be anything from a 0:20:59.756 --> 0:21:06.356 primitive to a Francis Bacon to somebody contemporary. Even movies, 0:21:07.436 --> 0:21:10.676 I wish there was something great since the French New Wave. 0:21:10.956 --> 0:21:15.716 Frankly you know less and less, so with the films, 0:21:15.956 --> 0:21:20.196 I would say, you know, but I'm still interested. The 0:21:20.276 --> 0:21:22.116 one thing with the movie is what I used to 0:21:22.156 --> 0:21:25.156 do when I'd have trouble in my career, I would 0:21:25.196 --> 0:21:31.236 go to see a hero. So I remember when I 0:21:31.276 --> 0:21:36.276 was between the first edition of the Studges had fallen apart, 0:21:36.836 --> 0:21:39.996 and I was trying to restart do the second edition 0:21:40.036 --> 0:21:42.916 that would do the raw pour when I was in 0:21:42.996 --> 0:21:46.556 New York at that time when eventually I hooked up, 0:21:47.316 --> 0:21:50.836 But at the meantime, I wanted to see Clint Eastwood. 0:21:51.236 --> 0:21:53.676 So I went to Times Square and I saw the good, 0:21:53.716 --> 0:21:57.196 the bad, and ugly, and I was just reassuring to 0:21:57.236 --> 0:22:01.196 watch a guy that could get the job done. And 0:22:01.916 --> 0:22:06.036 years later here in La. I was down and out, 0:22:06.076 --> 0:22:09.196 and I spent a few of my last dollars to 0:22:09.316 --> 0:22:13.396 see Gosh, it was the again. It was Clints, one 0:22:13.436 --> 0:22:17.716 of Clint's movies where kind of a neo Nazi gang 0:22:17.756 --> 0:22:21.596 has infiltrated the San Francisco police department. I can't remember 0:22:21.636 --> 0:22:24.956 the name of that one. And then later there was 0:22:24.996 --> 0:22:29.676 another time there was an Elvis movie on and I walked. 0:22:30.116 --> 0:22:34.156 I was back at the trailer and with my parents. 0:22:35.196 --> 0:22:39.276 I was maybe in the early twenties, in between between contracts, 0:22:39.676 --> 0:22:42.636 and I walked into town to see Hare Him, Scare Him. 0:22:42.956 --> 0:22:45.676 It was a terrible movie where he's dressed up in 0:22:46.116 --> 0:22:50.956 He's dressed up like ebc Haber before Ecber and singing 0:22:51.076 --> 0:22:54.236 these crappy sage. But it was Elvis, you know, so 0:22:54.316 --> 0:22:58.476 that there's something about that that I like. You know, 0:22:59.196 --> 0:23:02.436 how do you find new music? I look in the 0:23:03.836 --> 0:23:08.396 smaller The main source would be the smaller reviews in 0:23:08.636 --> 0:23:15.196 daily papers. The Guardian in England has a really they're 0:23:15.356 --> 0:23:20.156 very thorough about all sorts of stuff. It'll be mentioned 0:23:20.676 --> 0:23:24.836 or reviewed in a short a short way that's almost 0:23:24.876 --> 0:23:28.516 just like news that it exists. And I listened to 0:23:28.556 --> 0:23:31.916 a lot of that and then gig guides. I go 0:23:32.036 --> 0:23:34.516 through the gig guides and if I like the name 0:23:34.556 --> 0:23:37.916 of the band, like I went through the gig guide 0:23:37.916 --> 0:23:40.276 of a couple of years ago, and there's this band. 0:23:40.516 --> 0:23:44.436 It was in London, some playground and Joe and the 0:23:44.476 --> 0:23:50.996 ship Boys, and I said, that sounds cool. Who are 0:23:51.036 --> 0:23:55.116 these people? And you know what, I listened to their music. 0:23:55.516 --> 0:24:00.796 They're a simple but effective, well they play well together, 0:24:01.156 --> 0:24:05.756 really cleverly thought out punk band. But it turns out 0:24:05.836 --> 0:24:11.516 at the time they build themselves as vegan queer punk 0:24:11.836 --> 0:24:16.236 from the Pharaoh Islands, right, So I just liked to 0:24:16.756 --> 0:24:20.236 listen to their music. They have like songs like Macho band, 0:24:20.556 --> 0:24:26.316 Randy Savage, Randy Savage, right, and it's entertaining and clever 0:24:26.476 --> 0:24:28.916 and they have a lot of good songs. There was 0:24:28.956 --> 0:24:33.556 another one I found that way. There's a band it's 0:24:33.596 --> 0:24:38.516 basically two guys I think they're probably Island heritage in 0:24:38.556 --> 0:24:44.036 England called Bob Villain Vy Lad and David has some 0:24:44.476 --> 0:24:48.116 smashing good numbers and that's more like a little more 0:24:48.196 --> 0:24:52.716 social protest all the ship Boys or social too. But 0:24:52.796 --> 0:24:55.116 I listened to everything. I listen to everything. I have 0:24:55.156 --> 0:24:59.116 a radio show on the BBC. I have to come 0:24:59.196 --> 0:25:02.756 up with two hours forty weeks a year, so you 0:25:02.916 --> 0:25:05.636 come up twelve hundred songs and I try not to repeat. 0:25:06.436 --> 0:25:09.356 So listen to a lot of new stuff and I 0:25:09.356 --> 0:25:13.236 I like it pretty wide selection. And then sometimes if 0:25:13.276 --> 0:25:19.756 you use Spotify, then it leads you. Sometimes the algorithm 0:25:19.916 --> 0:25:21.996 is right, well, I do like this other thing you 0:25:22.036 --> 0:25:24.556 thought I would like, you know, so I do it 0:25:24.676 --> 0:25:29.436 like that. And sometimes I'll go to the music papers too, 0:25:29.996 --> 0:25:34.676 you know, but they tend to cluster around something that 0:25:34.756 --> 0:25:37.676 has to do with their advertisers or their backers or 0:25:38.036 --> 0:25:43.516 their particular thing, so it's not maybe not as fruitful 0:25:43.596 --> 0:25:46.836 for me. But I go there, Oh and friends and France. 0:25:47.156 --> 0:25:52.796 Oh yeah, I have sources. I ask, can you send 0:25:52.796 --> 0:25:54.556 me more of that? Like, yeah, you have a couple 0:25:54.556 --> 0:25:57.436 of people in France, or send me I especially like 0:25:57.636 --> 0:26:04.276 the Francophone afro beat stuff as killer and you need 0:26:04.356 --> 0:26:07.996 somebody French to steer you with that. Have you ever 0:26:08.116 --> 0:26:10.476 used the what's the name of that? It's a French 0:26:10.596 --> 0:26:14.316 app radio wo wo wo woa. No, I don't know. 0:26:14.476 --> 0:26:17.516 Radio whoo whoa, whoa whoa. You'd like that. It's not 0:26:17.676 --> 0:26:21.476 new music, but it's really cool. It's a streaming service 0:26:21.596 --> 0:26:24.916 that shows you a map of the world a globe, 0:26:25.396 --> 0:26:28.276 and you can pick any country in the world, yeah, 0:26:28.476 --> 0:26:33.036 and any decade and it'll play music as if it's 0:26:33.076 --> 0:26:37.836 the radio playing in that country, like Morocco nineteen fifty. 0:26:37.996 --> 0:26:41.636 What does that sound like? It's so cool. You'll love 0:26:41.876 --> 0:26:46.596 thank you. It's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like radio. Whoa, woa, whoa, 0:26:46.876 --> 0:26:49.636 You're gonna love it. Wow cool. Tell me about the 0:26:50.716 --> 0:26:54.156 Electric album covers. So I feel like those album covers 0:26:54.196 --> 0:26:56.436 are some of the best album covers in the history 0:26:56.516 --> 0:27:01.516 of rock music. How did it happen? Well, the first 0:27:01.636 --> 0:27:06.276 one we did was a guy named Joel Brodsky and 0:27:07.196 --> 0:27:12.716 the first Stooges album done at his studio, and he 0:27:13.036 --> 0:27:17.316 had done the Doors albums, So the guy directing the 0:27:17.556 --> 0:27:21.036 art at Electra was also the general manager. They used 0:27:21.076 --> 0:27:24.276 to double up in those days. Well, get Robsky to 0:27:24.356 --> 0:27:26.436 do it, but do something a little like the Doors, 0:27:26.556 --> 0:27:30.876 you know. So I had ten got ten stitches back 0:27:30.956 --> 0:27:33.996 to the Blood because I was like, this is I 0:27:34.036 --> 0:27:35.956 don't want to be just like the Doors. This is 0:27:35.996 --> 0:27:38.836 going to be too boring. So how about there There 0:27:38.876 --> 0:27:41.876 are outtakes from that session that are around where the 0:27:42.556 --> 0:27:45.956 stooges are all crouching out the floor as I fly 0:27:46.196 --> 0:27:50.596 through the air over them, and he had a concrete 0:27:50.716 --> 0:27:54.836 floor and I so we had to stop the session. 0:27:55.116 --> 0:27:57.236