WEBVTT - Shocking Split?! What Went Wrong... 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.800 This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:10.280 with her radio Wow Ashley. It is nine thirty at 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.440 night where I'm at in Orlando, Florida. I'm here for 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.320 the Dim Resorts Golf tournament, and we felt like it 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.400 was time to have a special almost famous podcast with 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.959 the huge Bachelor news that came up this week. Yep, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.639 so Claire and Dale broke up. And if you guys 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.040 are looking at the post on social media, doesn't seem 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.480 like anybody is surprised. That is kind of sad to say, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.480 but I would say that there's been signs. Last week 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.920 we were talking about how there was a report that 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.239 there was some tension going on, because actually it wasn't 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.000 even last week. It was a couple of days ago. Um. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.640 She was holding her mom's hand, talking about how it 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.200 was an emotional day. She wasn't showing off her wedding ring. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.800 Claire and Dale hadn't been up, hadn't been seen together 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.360 on social media for I guess a little over a week. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.000 And Dale had also posted a Bible passage, so people 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.399 were just thinking that they were going through a rough 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.280 time at the same time. So it put up red 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:13.399 flags for the fandom. And just yesterday they confirmed that 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.800 they broke up. It was kind of interesting the way 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:23.039 it unraveled though. So first there was a report from 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.760 E News that Claire and Dale were taking time apart. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.480 They said that they've been fighting a lot recently, that 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:35.600 the main disagreement was over lifestyle differences, lifestyle preferences, and 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.280 that Dale wanted to live in a lively, big city 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.679 focus on his career and Claire wanted to stay in 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.800 Sacramento and helped take care of for mom. Bottom line 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.240 is it was very tense between them. Um. And then 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.080 there was also an insider who said that Dale felt 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.120 like he was rushing into something that he was unsure 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.960 about that were still trying it to know each other, 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.200 figuring it all out. So the whole BottomLine, like earlier 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.440 in the day, was that taking some time apart was 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.440 the theme. But it wasn't that long after that report 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.600 came out that Dale posted a breakup announcement and this 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:16.280 was not a time apart type situation that he was 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.600 a painting a picture of. He was telling everybody it's 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:26.480 done now. Ben. My theory on this. My theory on 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.200 this is that Claire and Dale felt like they needed 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.080 to acknowledge all the rumors. So they put out or 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.360 she put out, this is just speculation that they were 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:42.839 taking time apart, and she in her head was thinking, maybe, um, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.520 we can reconcile, maybe we can figure this out. I 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.880 don't want to announce anything like a definitive breakup yet. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.960 And then I think that that Dale was like, I'm 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.880 over it. No, this is a breakup. This isn't time apart, 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.600 And that's why he went on Instagram and just addressed 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:04.000 it himself. I hope not like, I really hope that's 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.280 not how that's played out. So there's a lot to 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.840 uncover here. Obviously, we have a whole podcast to talk 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.799 about it. Actually, just gave you the headlines and everything 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.919 going on. Actually, I wanted to dissect a little bit 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.519 of what you said. One of the things is you 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.680 kind of started out by saying, it doesn't seem like 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.560 many people were surprised by this. Well, I think there's 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.639 a few reasons for that, right. One is, the rumors 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.600 have been swirling for the last week and a half 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.880 that something was going on, right, so like the surprise 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:32.640 had been taken away. I know when you and I 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.520 first saw the headlines, Uh, that there is trouble and paradise. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.119 We both in a sense of this mystic, like there's 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.960 always these type of rumors with bachelor couples. And then second, 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.840 as they continued and we started to read why people 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.960 were assuming this, we were shocked at first as well. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.520 But the shock we're off when it just kept happed, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.360 like when the headline just kept coming out every day 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.160 that something was going on. So that's one reason why 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.720 I don't think it was shocked. The second reason is 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.760 obviously the storeline that this couple has with fascination. We've 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.160 never seen anything like this before. You know, they came 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.560 on a show. A few weeks later, they leave together. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.080 Like when they left together, our hope as somebody that 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.760 like Claire a lot, was like, Hey, I hope she's 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.560 throwing all of rigs into this basket because she knows 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.560 that's the right thing. That's why I then, and I 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.000 want to throw it to you for a second. That's 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.240 why Then when the comment is made, uh that somebody 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.520 said Dale felt like they're rushing into something, Well, yes, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.680 but he agreed to that, Like you know what, he 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.400 knew where Claire was at, he knew where she stood, 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.120 She knew her where her intentions were. He knew that 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.440 by her saying, Dale, if you're into this thing, like 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.640 we're going to leave together, Like he knew the risk 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.520 that she was taking and so like did he just 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.760 not like a what? Like why now is he gonna 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.280 over rushing? Like back then there rushing. I feel like 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.040 I'm going to say something that I don't know for sure, 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.040 but I think that a lot of people listening will 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.720 agree with me on I feel like there are a 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.680 lot of signs from the start. Then he was in 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:06.240 it for the fame and his Instagram. It was a 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.320 little bit worrisome early on, just like the vibes you 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:13.919 got from it just seemed like a guy who like 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:19.000 wanted the limelight, right, And I think, if I'm going 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.080 to be super honest, there were a lot of signs 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.039 during that sit down with Chris Harrison, like I really 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.120 didn't want to believe it, and especially when I was 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.640 watching her four weeks of the episodes, I was like, yeah, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.760 like I'm into it. I'm just gonna like try not 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:38.400 to be so cautious because this is a little bit bizarre, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:40.480 you know, Like I don't think love at first sight 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.440 is bizarre, but like I do think that it was 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.880 an unconventional way of like going through your season and 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.479 leaving really and not really like getting to know the 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.880 guy completely. But I get it. I get it. I 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.560 totally get it. And you guys know, like how many 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:59.279 times I explained like how you were Actually I was 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.440 like drawing fully, Yeah, exactly, I was, but not at first. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.520 You You Dale won you over because you finally said, 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.039 I'm gonna shoot, like, I'm liking him because of the 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.600 way he's speaking to Claire and the way he's reaffirming 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.680 Claire and the way that he's processing like the quick 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.359 movement of this relationship. You won his team because you 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.280 thought he had Claire's best interest in Yeah. So, like 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.119 I was really hesitant at first, and then I was like, Okay, 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.560 I'm just going to be who I am truly, which 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:31.200 is the internal optimist. And then and I bought it, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.599 Like I was totally like all in felt it felt 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:38.400 felt it until that sit down with Chris Harrison, and 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:39.680 I just thought there was like a lot of bi 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.599 language things, like I just felt like he was like 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.320 trying to he was forcing a smile. I think when 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:50.200 she said babies, it's wild that stood out like everyone 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.800 everyone so clearly like yes it's TV, and yes we 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.200 watch this and a lot of times like did it 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.120 really happen that way? But live TV doesn't lie. And 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.080 when we all saw that, we went something's wrong here, Yeah, 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:02.880 we all did. And like I think some of us 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.800 try to laugh it off, be like, oh my god, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.400 she went straight for the babies and he said marriage. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.720 But if you rewatch that clip like I did this week, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.120 it's like all over his face that he's kind of like, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.680 oh God, what have I gotten myself into? I wonder 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.080 if that's a moment to hit like one of the 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.840 moments to hit him, But you know, it's what Okay, 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.280 So if you know that your opinion, um, what you're 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.200 intelli to is like hey, using it for the fame, 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.160 I wouldn't disagree with you. I think, like a lot 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.640 of people are. I think he came onto this excited. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.400 I mean his Instagram profile said that he wanted to 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.560 be a host. Is that the career now? Like you 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.280 think he's focusing on do we know, like is that 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.560 kind of is the modeling and hosting the career path 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.120 he's going down? And he was maybe at first going 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.480 on the show, like a lot of people do to say, hey, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.240 this is going to help that career, and now he 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.680 found himself in a relationship and now he's like, well, crap, 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.040 I don't know what to do, which just like, seriously, 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.160 no shame to that. Like I've been very honest that, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.640 like I had those sorts of intentions as well going 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.720 on the show. But I also, like I've said a 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.960 ba jillion times, I knew that my number one priority 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.920 in life was finding love, was having a family and 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.760 all that, and Claire just made it so clear that 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:23.520 like marriage and children were her priority in this that 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.680 I think it was a little bit I don't know 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.280 what the right word is, Well, certainly unfortunate that I 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.600 don't think that Dale was ready for that. And I 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.320 say that because that is one of the things that 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.640 the insiders are saying. I don't even know if it's 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.320 an insider. I think it actually might be Dale himself, 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:48.960 um who says that he just isn't ready for kids 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.680 in marriage right now, which is fine, But then you 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.680 don't go on Claire Crawleys season. You don't do that. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.360 You can go on you can you could go on 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.520 somebody else's season and then be like okay, and then 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.079 we're gonna we're gonna date and we're gonna be engaged 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.120 and we're gonna enjoy that for like two years. But 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:11.600 you know that Claire wanted that immediately and definitely. Well, actually, uh, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.000 let's take a break here. When we came back, I 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.560 want to talk to you about some headlines leading up to, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.079 you know, their breakup that confused me and I need 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.760 your clarity on we'll be back with the almost furna 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:33.640 this podcast. All right, Ashley, I don't think it was 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.560 any more than a week here, maybe two episodes ago 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.160 that we had read a headline that Dale had gone 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.400 onto the bachelorette. He was obviously asked on, but he 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.720 only went on because Claire Crawley was the bachelorette, like 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.440 and he and this obviously was a recent article. So 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.640 he was speaking about this and and saying it with 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.440 you know, positive with positive words about Claire not more 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.960 than two weeks ago. So do you think this breakup 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.760 kind of like when do you think it ended? Um? 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.400 Because I remember the headline that came out this said 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.079 he only went on this season for Claire also was 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.040 kind of coming out alongside the headlines that were saying, hey, there, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.840 this isn't going well for Dale and Claire. Okay, I 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.640 actually feel like some sort of back alleyway I know 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.320 when it happened, because you know that beach house that 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.280 they spent some time at a couple of weeks ago, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.200 maybe like a month or so ago, it's called it's 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.360 called Lahoya Beach House. Um, well, they reached out to 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.600 us to see if we wanted to have a little 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.800 stay there as well. So I was going back and 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.600 forth with the owner and they were like, Claire and 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.160 Dale are right are there right now? Um, they just 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.320 can't get enough of it there. And that was a 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.720 week ago, last Friday, So that was like okay, so 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:55.000 maybe almost two weeks ago. Okay, So I feel like 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.520 that was I'm totally speculating here, but that really aligns 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.199 with the meaning at those Instagram posts. So I think 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.400 that that was like their last trip together, like the 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:11.600 last extended period of time I had together. Yeah. Well, uh, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.120 I mean, I know there's there's a lot of speculation 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.600 going on here, and I know having a kind of 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.760 like a rush podcast about a breakup seems and sensitive. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.520 But let's stop here and just say, like we're just 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.520 trying to talk about something it's obviously bigger in Bachelor Nation. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.600 And really this whole podcast is to go through a 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.000 lot of the recent breakups and bachelation because there has 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.600 been a tome quarantine has been hard on people, and 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.679 it's it's left some couples kind of looking for answers. Uh, 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.880 breakup suck, um, and they really suck when you're there. 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.640 They're talked about publicly, but they're gonna be talked about 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.880 publicly as part of going on the show. We're invested 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.760 into the love stories of these couples. Uh. I do 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.320 want to stop here though and say, Ashley, I really 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:02.679 feel for Claire just so much, Like she really wanted 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.880 this opportunity. We've been always speak to her privately a 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.360 few months back, and like being the Bachelor was a 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:11.320 big deal to her. She was very excited for it. Um, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.360 she thought this was her chance that love. Remember Chris 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.560 Harrison telling her like this big chance that love, and 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.880 she felt like she got that second opportunity. And now 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:25.680 she finds herself it sounds like single again. Um. I 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.839 mean it just sucks. Like it's just hard to it's 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.679 hard to process. Yeah, it's just hard to process. Where 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.120 Claire is sitting, because we all know Claire was very 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.120 invested in this. Where does this leave Claire? Actually, you 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:42.240 know Claire fairly well, Like what where does this leave her? Um? 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.400 I mean, I just hope that she finds somebody like 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:52.280 right away and it's a big laughing the in Dale's face, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.080 because she'll end up getting her happily ever after. And 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.160 maybe if it's like the way that you did, maybe 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.880 this guy sees her on the show, or like she's 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.040 led to this person because of her involvement in the show. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.000 I don't know, And I just want to clarify what 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.280 I said earlier about Dale not being ready for marriage 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:17.280 and kids. That was from the source. Um, he's the 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.800 source says he did have feelings for Claire, but just 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.200 wasn't on the same page as her. He was hoping 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.360 it would grow, um and he would come around to this, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:33.800 but just no, Well it's heartbreaking. Ben. Do you remember 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.319 how excited I was, like so so excited when Claire 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.439 was announced as the bachelorette, And I was like, nobody 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.000 is more deserving than this, And I hate using that 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.120 we're deserving in this situation because I think everybody truly 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.760 deserves love. But everything that she went through and like 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.480 the way she carries herself, I just really felt like 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.560 it was her time. Well, her time might not be up, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:02.719 actually be as there's a recent turn of events. Uh, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.720 Dispatch nations very Spencer Robinson, if you remember, I think 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.520 he received as like first impression resume. We've never really 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.960 heard from him again. Um, he has already shot his 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.760 shot with Clear on Instagram publicly. Is it too soon 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.920 to do that? It's not too soon for Spencer to 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.760 do that, That's cute. It would be too soon for 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:27.600 Claire to accept via Twitter or Instagram? Okay, what do 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.240 you Yeah? You agree? Yeah, I mean we've we've talked 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.360 about any times on the podcast. How soon is too soon? 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:35.440 I don't know if you can answer that, Like, I 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.280 don't know if there is a good answer. We've asked everybody. Um, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.920 it's whenever Claire feels like she's ready. And but yes, 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:47.040 Spencer has reached out to her. Um, he's obviously interested. Uh. 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.000 You know, I think we could probably assume that he 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.400 went on to the season expecting Claire to be the 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.360 bachelor at Yeah, so he you know, we know he 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:00.640 has intrigued there. Uh not against it. I'm glad he 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.920 kind of did it. Maybe a little too soon for him, 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:04.440 like maybe he should have just take a step back 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.280 if he's really interested in this and said, Okay, let 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.320 me give her some time to heal. But then again, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.840 like what if she is to find somebody, you know, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:12.760 Prince Charming in the corner, he would miss a shot. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.240 So hey, I can't hate the guy for it. Um Now, 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.440 Ashley to kind of close this thought about Dale and Claire, uh, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.480 we we have heard that they're trying to work through this. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.000 This is came in from a couple of sources that yes, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.800 they're taking time apart. Yes they you know this isn't 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.600 going well, but they are trying to work through it. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.320 Do you believe they're working through it? Do you believe 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.080 the Claire and Dale story is over? If you had 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.760 to guess, no, I think it's over. I think that's 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.840 why he put kind of like the bullet through it 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:46.800 yesterday when he posted that Instagram, because she hasn't said 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.680 anything yet, so I think he was like, this is over. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.560 Don't want anybody to think that there's hope. And I 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.520 think it's so sad, Like it's so sad. I know, like, 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.320 there were just so many breakups this year that we'll 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.800 go into. But like this one deaf when really ranks 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.280 as far as the heart ranch goes, it really does 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.120 what it has actually just mentioned. There has been a 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.880 couple of breakups in Bachelor Nation this year. Some hurt 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.000 really bad. Most of them hurt really bad. Breakups just 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.200 hurt in every way. Uh, we're gonna talk about all 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.960 these breakups kind of run through the list. Um and 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:34.040 when we come back with almost Fanas podcast, Well we're back. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.120 We're gonna talk about the breakups this uh, well within 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.680 the last like twelve months in Bachelor Nation. Uh. This 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.600 list is surprising because there's a lot of people here 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.000 we know, we love. Uh, it's just not ideal. And 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.520 obviously with the recent news of Dale and Claire, which 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.280 is huge news and Bachelor Nation, it's a it's a 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.160 lead and and their partner breaking up. We have to 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.280 talk about it this week because we didn't get to 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.560 it on the last episode this week because it hadn't 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.800 happened yet. Well, Ashley, let me read through this list. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.640 There's another big breakup that was announced and this one, 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.119 this one really hurts too. It's Brees styles and Chris 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:16.400 Watson announced their breakup in January. This January, I mean 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.280 that one's really hard. They're they're from Listen to Your Heart. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:24.440 That one sucks. And then um, JP and Ashley obviously 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:30.359 that was the one that shocked that donation. The next 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.800 one is one that I know you have a heart 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:38.640 tied to Carly and Evan. Yeah. Um, Crystal and Chris, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.440 Now that's one that's like really was hard to hear. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.280 You know. We like when it happened, We're like, man, 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.680 we were there at the wedding, We're excited for them. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.320 But then it looks like Crystal has like found her 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.040 perfect match, and so what do you do? Do you sell? 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.240 You know, it was hard at first, but now we 0:17:54.280 --> 0:18:00.400 celebrate her. Um. Becca and Garrett, Now that's one, Yeah 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.400 that like, you know, I was with him on a 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.840 bus and there was no signs at the time. I 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.879 could have never told you that. And then it ended 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.199 and they've both got their separate ways. Garrett, you know, 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.560 I think it's still dating the girl that he moved 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:16.160 on to after Becca. Becca's in l A. Now, Um, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.199 that one was wild. And then Peter and Kelly, Uh, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.680 that one, I would say it feels most like Clarendale. 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.920 It was like, what's really going on here? This seems wild, 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.680 this seems crazy. Nobody can keep up with it. So like, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.560 but I mean, that's a wild list. And and the 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.400 one that I don't want to dismiss and I want 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.119 to hear your thoughts on is the one Breathe and 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.840 Chris from Listen to Your Heart. I mean I watched 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.439 that show for the podcast, and not a lot of 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.800 people in Batchel Nation watched that show, but we watched 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.720 that show because we covered it. And that was a 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.600 couple that you're like, this is magical, Like this this 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.440 show is gonna work for at least one couple and 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.840 it's all been worth it. That one's tough. Yeah. I 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.919 felt it between them too. I guess I feel like 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.320 for them, it like probably was a distance thing. I 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.040 just don't know if they ever really like decided to 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.359 move closer to each other. But then you know, there's 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.399 the age old. If you really need to be with somebody, 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:19.560 you figure that out. So they probably weren't meant to be. Yeah, Well, 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.840 a lot of breakups and Batchel Nation this year. Hey, 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.560 somebody's been there. I'm sorry. This sucks. It's not fun. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.520 It's not fun to have to listen to a podcast 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.080 that people talk about it. It's not fun to see 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.240 that on TV. But I mean, it is what you 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.639 sign up for. Um. You know you sign up to 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.120 find love. You also sign up for with the risk 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.680 that that love is gonna work and that everybody is 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.080 going to talk about your breakup. And here's the truth. Um, 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:48.000 the hope I guess, because I know from my experience too, 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.800 is uh that you're better for it, that you find 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.760 the love of your life. That Claire finds love of 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:56.760 for life. We want Dale to find that as well, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.439 and all these other couples that we just talked about. Um, 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.640 but until you can do that, there is some grieving 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.000 that's going to take place, I know from experience. In 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:07.960 and in just a second, we're gonna have one of 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.639 our favorite guests, Dr Hillary Goldscher. She came on to 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.359 a past episode just a few months ago. She is 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.359 a licensed clinical psychologist with a private practice in Beverly 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.560 Hills and specializes in treatment of couples, relationships, depression, anxiety, trauma, grief, 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.000 and eating disorders. We're going to just dig into what 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.040 it's like to go through a breakup how do you 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.520 process best, and then how do you speak to somebody? 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:32.640 I think, um, who is within that trauma and who 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:38.960 has been hurt? Dodger. Why has more bachelor couples broken 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:45.000 up this year than any other year in the past. Well, 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.879 I don't think that we can ignore that that we 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:54.119 are in a pandemic and all of the restrictions and 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:59.439 intimacy requirements that that bestows upon couples. And so whether 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:04.600 it's a distance challenged or a um distance challenge from 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.760 the standpoint of being away from each other or together 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.679 too much, I think it certainly can bring to the 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:14.199 forefront issues that can get diluted, and particularly in the 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:18.320 bachelor world by all the outside noise and stuff, um, 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:22.400 the fame and the excitement of the activity and attention, 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.639 I think can dilute some of the core issues that 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:30.879 perhaps more easily and painfully reveal themselves in a pandemic setting. 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.760 You know, it's so it's interesting, It's always helpful talk 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.360 to you because obviously we sit and we just had 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.800 we've had a whole podcast talking about breakups, and you know, 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.640 Astley I were texting before this was like, hey, does 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.800 this feel insensitive? And obviously we have to cover the news, 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.600 and we have to cover what's going on in bachelination. 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.280 But just like last weeks with you, how do you 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.040 talk to somebody that's like just fresh out of into 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.159 a breakup, like they're just starting to like recon this 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.920 new season a lot? How do you become a friend 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.480 to them? How do you speak to them? Yeah? I 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.240 love that you asked that question. I think it's so 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:12.199