1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. Welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: I never told your production I heard you, and welcome 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: at to another edition of Happy Hour. If you choose 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: to drink or whatever you're doing, please do so responsibly. 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Are you sipping on anything, Samantha? 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: So this morning I had to go to an appointment 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: for my physical therapist. Yes, ye, all, it has happened. 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 3: And so there's a coffee shop near there that I like, 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: a local coffee shop that does now doing Ube latees 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: and I'm a fan. So I've picked up an Ube 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 3: late iced to ube oat milk laate and I'm now 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 3: being fancy. Yes, yes, And it's also early morning, so 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: coffee is needed, not early, but earlier than our typical 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: recording done. 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: Yes, that it is. 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm still on coffee. We are endeavoring to 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: take vacation. So we were recording a lot of stuff 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: and all kinds of hours, and I think it's going 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: to happen. We're in the final stretch. 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're done pretty well. Yeah, this is exciting. 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: But today I wanted to talk about Okay, first, I'm 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: a shameless plug. Okay, I will be speaking at the 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: PRX Podcast Creator Summit in Atlanta. Oh, and it will 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: be a panel about food. It's gonna be really fun. 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: We've already talked about some of the arguments we're going 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: to start about food. 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: Limon pepper wet or limmon pepper. 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: Dry, assuming pie and cake, hot dog being a sandwich. 29 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't know about that, but just a 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: way to get people engaged. 31 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: We had a meeting about it yesterday with the other 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: Fabular speakers and the moderator. So it's the panel is 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: called Feeding the Culture, Telling Atlanta's Food Stories. It will 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: be July thirtieth, seven to nine pm is when I'm speaking, 35 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: and it's at a Plywood. 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: Which is where Beer where you used to live West 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: Side Cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 38 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: It's free. They do ask that you register, but you 39 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: don't have to. It's more so they can kind of 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: know what the capacity is going to be fun, but yeah, 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: if you are here and interested, they have a bunch 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: of other content too. It's over several days. It's all free. 43 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: A lot of it is geared towards local talent, speaking 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: about how to get into podcasting and some other kind 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: of media stuff. So yeah, come on, if you happen 46 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: to be around come on down. They're also it's going 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: to be interesting because everyone on the panel has different backgrounds. 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: And one of the things we're going to talk about is, 49 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: for a while, it was believed no food podcast could 50 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: work because food do such a visual thing or like 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 2: a taste based thing. 52 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: So how do you deal with that? 53 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: But all of that being said, plug done. We've talked 54 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: about this before, Samantha and I. 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: I'm nervous. 56 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: I'm all nervous. I've never done one later in the 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: day like that, And I don't know if that's better 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: or worse because now I'll have all day to kind 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: of like be worried about it. 60 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: Right, But if it. 61 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: Was in the morning, then I wouldn't sleep, So I 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: guess it's whatever. 63 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: Not done one in the evening, I thought, or afternoon. 64 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: Maybe we did one. 65 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: I think it was in Atlanta that one we went to. 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: I think was in the afternoon. Also, you've done. 67 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: A panel with the dragon Con really late in the evening. 68 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have had a little liquid courage for 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: that one. Yes, Yeah, it was like seven p on 70 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: a Sunday, So yeah, and for those listening Sundays, the 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: last night of dragon Con. So that's why yes anyway, 72 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I don't know. And we've talked before about 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: how we react to when we get nervous or anxious 74 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: doing these things. And now sometimes it's like a blackout situation, 75 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: like you don't remember what just happened. For me, I 76 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: am rationally not nervous, but the I just have these 77 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: physical reactions, so I get like really shaky hands, and 78 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: it's frustrating because the more you think about it, the 79 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: worse the shake gets. I've had this my entire life. 80 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: It runs in my family. Uh and so everyone thinks 81 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: you're nervous and then that makes you like more nervous. 82 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: So that's that's one thing I would I'm worried about. 83 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: But another so I was looking into, you know, women 84 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: in public speaking, is there what's going on here? What 85 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: is the internet going to tell me? And no surprise, 86 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: most of it I found a little annoying. The advice 87 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: I found kind of patronizing because it was essentially be 88 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: more like a man in your presentation style, like lower 89 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: your voice, pitch it like a certain way, very like 90 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: when conversations come up around vocal fry stuff like that. 91 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: It was a lot of control your voice, stand confidently 92 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: or sit confidently, which I guess is good advice. I 93 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: mean it is, But it was stuff like that that 94 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: I yeah, yeah, okay, but that's what most of what 95 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: I found was, even from some places. I was kind 96 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: of surprised too. And there were some articles that dissected 97 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: why certain women are such good speakers, and they had 98 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: some good points. I'm not going to reach that before 99 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: this event, and I don't think that's really what I 100 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: need to accomplish. 101 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: But they did have some good points. 102 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: It was mostly about like pausing and making sure your 103 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: point is getting home and like making sure the emotion 104 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: is connecting or something with your audience. And I think 105 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: when I'm in my zone, I can do that and 106 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: I can make people laugh, so. 107 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: It'll be fine. But I did look into how to 108 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: do this. 109 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: I've done that too, which is how I went to 110 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: my anti anxiety events. 111 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: Yes, right, it does do better. 112 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm always nervous to take a medication I've 113 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: never taken for so i'd have to test. 114 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: It before I do this. I did find a study. 115 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: There are a couple studies on this, actually, but I 116 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: found a recent one called do Women Shy away from 117 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: Public Speaking? 118 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: A field experiment? 119 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: By Maria Da Paula Rosetta, Lombardo Valeria Pupo, and Vincenzo Scopa. 120 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: And it was a pretty detailed study, so if you 121 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: want to check it out, we could come back and 122 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: probably do a whole episode on women in public speaking. 123 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: But here were some of their main takeaways that I 124 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: thought were interesting. Women are more willing to present face 125 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: to face, but they are considerably less likely to give 126 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: a public presentation. Female aversion to public speaking does not 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: depend on differences inability, risk aversion, self confidence, and self esteem, 128 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: which is the popularly held belief. The aversion to public 129 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: speaking greatly reduces for daughters of working women, which seems 130 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: to suggest that if they see. 131 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: Women doing it, it's not as bad. 132 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: But it was really interesting because it also found that 133 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: the men in the study showed no difference between face 134 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: to face in public and it not surprisingly to me 135 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: said that women, a lot of women were really worried 136 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: about public scrutiny around their appearance or how they speak, 137 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: all these things we have been taught you will be 138 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: judged for right, so that makes sense. That wasn't a surprise, 139 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: but it was interesting to have this whole kind of 140 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: scientific study of it, and we've also talked about that too, 141 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: because I gained a lot of weight during the pandemic, 142 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: and so I'm more nervous about how people perceive me 143 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: in these public spaces, which is not I have been 144 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: taught that, but also I can recognize that that's not 145 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: really what's happening usually. So I just got to get 146 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: out of my head and talk about food and start 147 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: some food fights. 148 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: That's that's it. Perfect. 149 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: They're gonna, yeah, well they're gonna there's food and drinks 150 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: after I forgot to mention, so I think there are 151 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: going to be wings and pizza, which are two of 152 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: the topics. 153 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I don't know, but. 154 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: It should be it should be fun and I would 155 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: love to meet anyone. A co host Lauren Vogelbaum of 156 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: Saver the other show I do, which I should have mentioned, 157 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: is why I got asked talk about the food on 158 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: this panel will be there a couple of other cool, 159 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: really cool people, So come. 160 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: On down and you know I will. 161 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: Maybe your presence will help with my nerves, because you've 162 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: all been so kind and ask great questions when we 163 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: have done this in the past, as s Minty, So yes, 164 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: all right. Well, I hope to see some of you there, 165 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: but in the meantime, listeners, we hope all of you 166 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: are well and perhaps you're getting to take some kind 167 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: of vacation. If you have any thoughts or tips on 168 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: public speaking, please let us know. You can email us 169 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: a hello at Stuffhenever Told You dot com. 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