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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast

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Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, the Mental Health Podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Jay Glazer and what's cool about my podcast

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Speaker 2: here is I get to bring on experts of all

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Speaker 2: walks of life. And before I get to this expert,

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Speaker 2: he is an expert in what he does, which is

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Speaker 2: television hosting, but he's also more of an expert than

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Speaker 2: probably anybody on the planet and dealing with Jay Glacier's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So he's the perfect gift for today.

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Speaker 2: So before I get to him, if you're like many people,

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Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five

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Speaker 2: adults in this country experienced mental illness last year.

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Speaker 3: You have far too many fella received the support they need. Carolyn.

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Speaker 3: Behavioral health is doing something about it.

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Speaker 2: They understand that behavioral health is a key part of

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Speaker 2: whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional,

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Speaker 2: and social needs. Intented Carol and behavioral health raising the

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Speaker 2: quality of life through empathy and action. And so Welcome

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Speaker 2: into Aunbreakable Mental Health Podcast with Jay Glazer, and I

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Speaker 2: would like to introduce to everybody here. Some of the

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Speaker 2: America already knows one of America's favorites, but certainly one

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Speaker 2: of my favorites of all time. He is one of

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Speaker 2: my best friends. He is a mentor, He is my psychiatrist.

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Speaker 2: He is our humble host. He is the one and

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Speaker 2: only Kurt Benafie.

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Speaker 4: How are you, brother, hey Man? Always good to be

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Speaker 4: with you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I put up with your self, but you should

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Speaker 5: probably think my wife for putting up with your stuff.

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Speaker 4: That later on.

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Speaker 3: But your wife doesn't. You have to deal with me

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Speaker 3: on Sundays. You do.

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Speaker 4: That is true. That is true, pil. But I've been

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Speaker 4: doing this for thirty years now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I've known each other since nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 5: right was when we first met in New York. And

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Speaker 5: it is one of the things I always tell people

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Speaker 5: I admire about you, is you know you were writing

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Speaker 5: for the Free Giants US paper and correctly, if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 5: you got paid sometimes and sometimes you didn't.

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Speaker 3: No more most of the times I did.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. The people see you now and they go, Okay,

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Speaker 5: look at Jake Laser and he's at this position. I go,

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Speaker 5: he's worked his ass off to get there, and he's

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Speaker 5: fought through a lot and overcome a lot of hurdles.

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Speaker 5: But you made yourself.

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Speaker 4: You're.

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Speaker 5: If there's a definition of a self made man, you are.

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Speaker 5: And so that's why I'm a big support of you.

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Speaker 5: I'm a big believer in you. And that's why I

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Speaker 5: love you to death.

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Speaker 4: Brother.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you, brother.

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Speaker 2: And what people don't realize here also, and this is

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Speaker 2: a good lesson for people is again I was trying

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Speaker 2: to piece it together roll those years, and every time

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Speaker 2: I can get any sort of job for any kind

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Speaker 2: of money, I get.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: One year, I was doing a radio show early on

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Speaker 2: for call Unnecessary Roughness for basically it was a free

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Speaker 2: another place and MSG network was turning into a.

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Speaker 3: TV show and they said to me, you could pick

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Speaker 3: anybody you.

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Speaker 2: Want to co host this with, any player you want

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Speaker 2: to post this with.

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Speaker 3: Who do you want? And I said, I want Kurt

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Speaker 3: Menafee And they said Kurt Menafie. He's not a player.

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Speaker 3: I said, I said, well.

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Speaker 6: He was back in grade school, but exactly middle school,

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Speaker 6: middle school in school.

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Speaker 4: Give me credit.

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Speaker 3: But the bigger thing.

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Speaker 2: For me was I said I want to co host

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Speaker 2: with Kurt Menafie and they said why. I said, because

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Speaker 2: I want to learn how to do TV and who

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Speaker 2: I just went on there like, oh, we're I like this.

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Speaker 3: Thing for me to learn how to do TV from you.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you saying that, but I think that what

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Speaker 5: you talked about is an example. It's one thing that

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Speaker 5: I get to a certain position in life? And I

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Speaker 5: go do anything and everything. I mean, your exemple is

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Speaker 5: a great one, but I go but the same thing.

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Speaker 5: You know, I went to co college and see the

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Speaker 5: rapetie or Division three school. You know, everybody's who watches

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Speaker 5: our show has heard the jokes about you know, fourteen

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Speaker 5: hundred students all.

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Speaker 4: This kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: But I've never taken a journalism class in my life.

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Speaker 5: I think they had speech for one or something.

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Speaker 4: I didn't take that.

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Speaker 5: So like we didn't have a campus radio stations, we

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Speaker 5: I called up though. I interned at CNN the summer

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Speaker 5: after my freshman year in college because CNN's based in Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Atlanta, and back then this is

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Speaker 5: They had Sports Tonight, Hickman and Nick Charles, and it

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Speaker 5: and so I in there just again. I got paid

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Speaker 4: But that was what I did for the summer because

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Speaker 5: When I went back that fall, I called up every

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Speaker 5: and called me back four months later and said, are

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Speaker 5: to do this. You don't get to be on TV,

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Speaker 5: you don't get to be famous for John Campbell's name,

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Speaker 5: and I still.

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Speaker 4: Keep in touch with him. He's retired now.

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Speaker 5: But this is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, where I went

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Speaker 5: he said will you do it again?

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Speaker 4: I did, and then he said, you know, what, what

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Speaker 5: And I said, well, I think I want to be

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Speaker 4: And you know, I never thought about that.

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Speaker 3: I never knew that about you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I never knew that. Never. And I was nineteen

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Speaker 5: I taught myself how to edit by hanging around to

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Speaker 5: why don't you take the highlights we do at night

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Speaker 5: and just put your voice down on tape.

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Speaker 4: Just see what it sounds like, how it feels okay? Sure,

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Speaker 4: And so I did that.

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Speaker 5: He took it to the news director unknownst to me,

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Speaker 5: and they said, well, why do we have him start

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Speaker 5: reporting on high school sports and co college? And then

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Speaker 5: I started doing Iowa and Iowa State, but all they

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Speaker 5: great lesson find a way, you know, this path that

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Speaker 5: we go, Okay, this person did this, this, this, That's

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Speaker 5: not how it's laid out for everybody, and that's not

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Speaker 4: You're going to reach a fork in the road and

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Speaker 4: made those decisions to volunteer.

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Speaker 5: You made those decisions to make the commitment to something

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Speaker 5: going to be bumps in the road. It is not

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Speaker 5: all going to be smooth, but it's never going to

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Speaker 2: What was the first I guess in your mind, big

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Speaker 3: And I say big thing, you know it could.

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Speaker 2: because we're all shitting in our pants in those first

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to, you want the end result. Yes,

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Speaker 5: you know you don't want We've all been there, and

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Speaker 5: are going to the gym all the time. But it's

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Speaker 5: And and so I think probably the first big thing

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Speaker 5: So that's probably a better way to say it was

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Speaker 5: that the University of Iowa hired a new basketball coach.

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Speaker 5: And at the press coffs, you know, you're working local

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Speaker 5: and then you know, Iowa in February, there's snow on

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Speaker 5: on it. And I did that, and I went on

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Speaker 4: It felt smooth.

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Speaker 5: I got the first interview with a new coach, live

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Speaker 5: me a lot of accolades because not only did people

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Speaker 5: more opportunities, because I like everything else, the more you do,

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Speaker 4: You show that you can do those kinds of things.

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Speaker 5: And so I think that was a big, big moment

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Speaker 5: and trust amongst.

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Speaker 4: The people you work with.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you've always got to be yourself because if

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Speaker 4: But it's still got to be you.

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Speaker 3: You know exactly what you're saying. I've always tried to

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't turn anybody else, return to Kurt. And been

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Speaker 4: It all these years.

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Speaker 4: To help that friend.

442
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Speaker 5: Sometimes there's nothing you can do except put your arm

443
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Speaker 5: around him and listen and have a conversation with him.

444
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,200
Speaker 5: You can't shake someone out of this. Sometimes you can't. Hey,

445
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,280
Speaker 5: suck it up and be talking. You can't force somebody

446
00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,080
Speaker 5: you know into a place you want them to be.

447
00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,520
Speaker 5: Sometimes the way you do that is just by sitting

448
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,840
Speaker 5: there listening and letting you open up and letting you

449
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,760
Speaker 5: share or just go you know what, Hey, I get

450
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,200
Speaker 5: your brother.

451
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Speaker 4: There are days like that.

452
00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,760
Speaker 5: I'm sure it sucks, but I'm here for you, and

453
00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,400
Speaker 5: sometimes that's all you can do. But you know, according

454
00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,720
Speaker 5: to you, at least that makes a big difference for you.

455
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Speaker 4: You know you're different. I was gonna hear just good time.

456
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Speaker 5: I think we all get tied up in when someone

457
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,600
Speaker 5: comes to us, we want to have the answers, and

458
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,879
Speaker 5: sometimes the answer is I don't know the answer, but

459
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,640
Speaker 5: I'm here for you, and that's okay, and that's good

460
00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:04,520
Speaker 5: enough sometimes.

461
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Speaker 2: But where you're different than most of the world is

462
00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,880
Speaker 2: you don't do it on your timeline.

463
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Speaker 3: So this Sunday is just Sunday is a big a

464
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Speaker 3: day for you, is for the rest of America.

465
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Speaker 2: And yet you know my and I don't mean to

466
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,440
Speaker 2: pull away, and people just say, why don't you tell

467
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,000
Speaker 2: those guys because it's there's Sunday too.

468
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Speaker 3: I don't want to do it.

469
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Speaker 2: But all these years I did tell Kurt, and it

470
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Speaker 2: could be fifteen minutes before going.

471
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,720
Speaker 3: On the air and something's in my head. I'm melting down.

472
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Speaker 2: And for other people just don't like that, where they

473
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Speaker 2: just go, Okay, I'm about to have the biggest moment

474
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Speaker 2: of my life. Also here every single Sunday, but let

475
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Speaker 2: me go step aside for him, Kurt.

476
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Speaker 3: People just aren't like that.

477
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Speaker 4: Dude. Well, just not like that you are.

478
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Speaker 5: I'm appreciate of you saying that I believe in helping others,

479
00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,280
Speaker 5: and to me, that's a way to help. It costs

480
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,400
Speaker 5: me nothing other than a smile. And yeah, i'man mostly

481
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Speaker 5: invested because you're my friend. But I mean, there's there's

482
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Speaker 5: no dollar costs, there's no time costs. It is me

483
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,119
Speaker 5: doing the best I can for someone I care about,

484
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,680
Speaker 5: someone I love, and to me, that's all I look at.

485
00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 5: And so I try to live my whole life that way.

486
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,720
Speaker 5: Am I perfect? Absolutely not? But you know, everything I do,

487
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 5: I try to serve other people in some capacity and

488
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 5: not look at it. What do I get out of it?

489
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Speaker 5: Because for me, and I know this sounds hippie and

490
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,360
Speaker 5: hoki and all this kind of stuff, But I get

491
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,920
Speaker 5: joy out of other people's pleasure, out of other people's happiness.

492
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,160
Speaker 5: I can go back to and again, I can tell

493
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Speaker 5: this story because he's not believing anymore, and I know

494
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,240
Speaker 5: people look at it. Jim tom Sula was considered a

495
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,360
Speaker 5: failure as a head coach in the National Football League.

496
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 5: He coached one year with the San Francisco forty nine ers.

497
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Speaker 5: I knew Jim tom Sula when he was volunteering as

498
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Speaker 5: a coach at Catawba College in North Carolina, then started

499
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 5: volunteering to do NFL Europe. Guy never had a coaching job,

500
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 5: wind up with Mike Nolan in San Francisco. You know

501
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 5: his family and I have been friends all these years.

502
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Speaker 5: The reason I'm telling his story is I was the

503
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Speaker 5: year he got hired. Was in January, and I was

504
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Speaker 5: in New York City and I get out of the

505
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Speaker 5: subway station. On my phone, I have a message from

506
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Speaker 5: Jim tom Sulla. So I answer it, and I still

507
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 5: have it on my phone to this day. He lasted

508
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 5: one year, got fired, became an assistant in Washington. He's

509
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,479
Speaker 5: out of the league now back living in Europe. But

510
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 5: the point was, he was so excited about getting that

511
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 5: head coaching job for the San Francisco forty nine ers

512
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Speaker 5: that it made my heart happy.

513
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 4: It brought me joy.

514
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Speaker 5: It brings me joy to see other people in good

515
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Speaker 5: positions and to be happy. And that's how I try

516
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 5: to live my life in every single way. So if

517
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 5: you're in a bad spot and I can help you

518
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 5: get into a good spot, no matter what it takes,

519
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Speaker 5: to me, that's the benefit of it. You know, that's

520
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 5: the joy that I get. That's the pleasure I get.

521
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,719
Speaker 5: So that's how I look at him.

522
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Speaker 4: Again.

523
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Speaker 5: I know it sounds idealistic, and you know what's it

524
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 5: the John Lennon imagine.

525
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 4: You know, you may say I'm a dreamer, but.

526
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Speaker 5: The only one you know how I know how people

527
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 5: are out there and then you may just not run

528
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 5: into them on a daily basis, or maybe they don't

529
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Speaker 5: share it with you, But there are a lot.

530
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Speaker 4: Of people out there that their joy is other people

531
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Speaker 4: do it.

532
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Speaker 2: So Kurt and I we just had a town hall

533
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Speaker 2: meeting this week of Fox our thirtieth year at the

534
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 2: NFL Fox and you said it in front of everybody,

535
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: and you said it a lot, and we both agreed, like,

536
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 2: I think the best moment we've.

537
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Speaker 3: Ever had Fox Sports.

538
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 2: It's exactly what you were saying about when something happens

539
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 2: to somebody else. When Jimmy Johnson got notified he who's

540
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Speaker 2: getting inducted into the.

541
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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame live on our air.

542
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, you see me running out

543
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Speaker 2: late to this because you thought our producer Bill Richards

544
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Speaker 2: told me.

545
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 3: Bill thought you told me.

546
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting in our Kurt and I was share a

547
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Speaker 2: green room or a dress room, gout. I'm sitting there

548
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: trying to get scoopage and I look up on the

549
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Speaker 2: monitor and on my fellow David Baker doing it. I

550
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: come run in here late, but just kind of replay that.

551
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for the world, I consider that the greatest movement

552
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 5: of thirty year hit through the Fox Sports.

553
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I've been on the pregame show for eighteen is

554
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 4: this nineteen for you? Twenty twenty?

555
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 5: So like you and I have not been there from

556
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 5: day one, but we've been there hell of a long time. Yeah,

557
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 5: we had I think we can. We're qualified to say

558
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 5: what are good moments? U. And So I knew that

559
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 5: happened obviously on a Sunday. It was a playoff game

560
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Speaker 5: between Saddle and Green Bay. And I'm trying to think

561
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Speaker 5: I knew on Tuesday or Wednesday that week that I

562
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Speaker 5: was told, but I couldn't say a word to anybody.

563
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 5: And I knew they didn't like even tell our director,

564
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Speaker 5: our producer, our CEO of Fox Sports, Eric Shanks, Jill

565
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 5: Rich's our producer, and myself. We were the only three

566
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 5: people that knew everybody else They kept secret audio people

567
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 5: type of people whatever so I had to keep this

568
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Speaker 5: a secret all week.

569
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Speaker 4: That was the other challenge.

570
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Speaker 5: So on the Saturday, did you tell your wife?

571
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Speaker 4: No?

572
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Speaker 3: No, what's she mad? No?

573
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Speaker 4: She she enjoyed moment like that. She understand how happen.

574
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Speaker 3: It's a valid question.

575
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 4: Valid question. But if I tell her and in a

576
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Speaker 4: moment she let it slip to you know, yeah, yep, yep.

577
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 4: She talks to Howie's wife a lot, and and you know.

578
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 5: You don't want it to get out. So anyway, on Saturday,

579
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 5: CBS has a playoff game. We're all sitting in the

580
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 5: hotel room and we're watching the game and David Baker

581
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 5: from the Pro Football Hall of Fame goes on the

582
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Speaker 5: show to announce Bill Cowers going into the Pro Football

583
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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, and it's emotional and everything, and so

584
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Speaker 5: Jimmy sees that and he goes, well, I guess I'm

585
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Speaker 5: not getting in this year.

586
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: Now.

587
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Speaker 5: I know he's getting in, but I can't say, don't

588
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Speaker 5: worry about it, you're getting in. So I got to

589
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Speaker 5: kind of play along, and I'm like, well, you know,

590
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 5: it's not that big, Jimmy.

591
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Speaker 4: You know, it's like, you know, happen for you at

592
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Speaker 4: some point. Oh, I don't even care.

593
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Speaker 5: You know, I don't need I can get, but you

594
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 5: know he's got to be the tough guy at that point.

595
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Speaker 5: So then I saw him the next morning early the

596
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Speaker 5: next morning, came in and I could see he was

597
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 5: still he was he was He's bummed out because he

598
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 5: thought that was the year he was going to get it.

599
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 4: He was bummed out, and I'm.

600
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Speaker 5: Inside, I'm just like, God, just let me give him

601
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,239
Speaker 5: a little bit of a relief and tell him it's

602
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 5: going to be okay. But if I do that, then

603
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 5: it gives away at least a hint towards the secret.

604
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 5: So I have to keep it. We go when we

605
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Speaker 5: do the pregame show, because the previous game on CB.

606
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Speaker 2: We're all consoling him like I would see with everybody thought,

607
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: yeah we're all right, happen And you had to watch

608
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Speaker 2: all of us console him that day.

609
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 4: Knowing right, I should win an oscar for my.

610
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: I really should. Yes.

611
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Speaker 5: So at CBS they have a Sunday morning playoff game.

612
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 4: It runs long, so our pregame show is on.

613
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 5: But we know, look, people are watching that playoff game,

614
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 5: so the audience isn't that big.

615
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Speaker 4: You want to do what you want to do it in

616
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Speaker 4: front of a big audience.

617
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Speaker 5: It had been planned to be on our pregame show

618
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Speaker 5: that Sunday, but because the other game ran so long,

619
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Speaker 5: they decided let's not do it.

620
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Speaker 4: Let's save it for halftime.

621
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Speaker 5: So then we go through a pre game and again

622
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Speaker 5: Jimmy's like, well, they did it on the CBS pre

623
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Speaker 5: game yesterday. They didn't do it for me yesterday. They

624
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 5: didn't do it in the pre game. So he's definitely done.

625
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just like, all right, it's not going

626
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Speaker 5: So then that's when it became fun, actually, because I

627
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 5: knew he's going to be totally surprised by it. So

628
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Speaker 5: when we go on for the halftime, they asked Troy,

629
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: who was doing the playoff game, to stay there. They

630
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 5: put a camera and Troy didn't know why they'd like

631
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 5: to stay in and watch halftime, so they put a

632
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 5: camera on him, and I think you saw the tears

633
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 5: with Troy, you saw the joy of us in the studio,

634
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 5: and I just knew my job was, hey, before we

635
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: get to the highlights, I want to bring out a

636
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 5: special guest. And then that's when David Baker walked out

637
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 5: and made the announcement. That Jimmy Johnson, you're going to

638
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 5: be I can't remember the number, but whatever it is

639
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 5: in the Pro Football.

640
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame.

641
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 5: And we all thought Jimmy was going to pass out

642
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: at that point, yep, because Jimmy has asthma.

643
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 4: He's got a.

644
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 5: Neverbot But he started breathing and like, oh boy, is

645
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 5: he going to die right here on the set, you know,

646
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 5: So that was.

647
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Speaker 4: The big worry at that point.

648
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Speaker 5: But it was one of the again we talked about

649
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 5: great moments in the history of Fox Sports, and sorry

650
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 5: to believe the point, but it's one of those things

651
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 5: that I got Joe out of because I knew much

652
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 5: it meant to Jimmy, even though he wanted to try

653
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 5: and pretend it didn't.

654
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Speaker 3: And what was cool, folks, is afterwards, me and Jimmy

655
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Speaker 3: and Bill and our whole crew.

656
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Speaker 2: And that's the good thing about us at the NFL

657
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: Fox are It's not just this six of us that

658
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: hang out constantly. It's our producers, our directors, our associate producers,

659
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: tour president, our CEO are exactly like everybody. It's a

660
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: rolling party. It never stops, and it's what makes us all.

661
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: You know, Shan on the air because all of us

662
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: are so close. We went to Dantown's restaurant after and

663
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: this was like, got a hangover it right.

664
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: We go in there and Jimmy comes in.

665
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: It goes up on the on the TV in there,

666
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: and people start singing Happy Hall of Fame, like his

667
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: Happy Birthday, people throwing up napkins.

668
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: A guy from zz Top was there.

669
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 4: It was like a movie. Billy Gibbons came over.

670
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: It was like the Hangover's unbelievable exactly.

671
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: It was perfect.

672
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 5: And so that was really kind of a cool moment

673
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 5: because not only did Jimmy get in, you got the

674
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 5: announcement on TV.

675
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 4: You got to see the emotion with.

676
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 5: Him and Troy, one of his former players, and all

677
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 5: his current co workers of those of us doing it.

678
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 5: But then he goes up there and he sees how

679
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 5: much he's appreciated by the general public, how much this

680
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 5: moment meant to other people, and I think he got

681
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 5: emotional again. And so again that is not only what

682
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 5: the top moments in Fox sports history, it's one of

683
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 5: the top moments of my life. Like when you go back,

684
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: that's of all the cool things that we've been blessed

685
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 5: and fortunate enough to be a part of that's gonna

686
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 5: be in the top three for sure.

687
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: What is the cool? So all right, so we've done again.

688
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: People don't know Kurt and I man, we label, we work,

689
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: we work, we work, and we work and every time

690
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: we get to and we're the only ones not on

691
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: the show that the other ones that we know why

692
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: they're on the show. They are Hall of Fame players

693
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: or coaches. Are we are a Hall of fam hustlers though, yeah, right,

694
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: that's exactly what we are.

695
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: We have outworked the fucking world to get to where

696
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 3: we are, and we have been turned down and rejecting.

697
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: We just we don't.

698
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Stop, right, But every time something really cool happens for us,

699
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: I'll usually turn to Howie and go, hey, and now

700
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: we're supposed to act like we've been there before, but.

701
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: Fuck that, I have it. This is cool.

702
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: Right, So we've got I did that. We got inducted into,

703
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: you know, broadcasting, the Hall of Fame. And for the

704
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: coolest one for me, we were doing the Emmys pre show.

705
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: You're at the desk, you Howie, Jimmy and I and

706
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: Kurt Stray and Terry doing interviews on the red carpet

707
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: and I'm right. I'm telling you card of my current

708
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: so far from New York One TV and MSG Network

709
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: right on.

710
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: That to me is still kind of stuck out. It's

711
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: just like, you've got to be shitting me, how did

712
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: I get here? Give me the biggest moment for you

713
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: of like, how the fuck did I get here? Type

714
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 3: of moment.

715
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 5: I always go eight year old me, that's my line. Okay,

716
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 5: I can tell the eight year old me, you're going

717
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 5: to do this. You think you're crazy. So that's my

718
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 5: perspective with everything, and I think it is. It's kind

719
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 5: of a I know this is gonna sound like a

720
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 5: cop out, but it's not the general answer of being

721
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 5: able to call not only work friends but real friends,

722
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: Howie Long, Michael Strahand, Jimmy Johnson, Jay Glazer, Terry Bradshaw,

723
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 5: Hall of famers. Like when I was a kid, the

724
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 5: first NFL game I ever went to, I saved up

725
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 5: my grass cutting money, bought a ticket to in Atlanta

726
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 5: Falcons Pittsburgh Steeler season game, went by myself, sat in

727
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 5: the stand. It was Kerry didn't even play that game

728
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: because his preseason here hurt his elbow, so I didn't

729
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 5: get to see. But like he was a guy who

730
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 5: was winning super Bowls when I was a kid. Howie

731
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 5: Long was winning super Bowls when I was a kid. Yeah,

732
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 5: I knew Michael the second year in the league, but

733
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 5: I mean, Michael's a Hall of Famer in a whole

734
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 5: different category of human being.

735
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: Jimmy Johnson was coaching the Dallas.

736
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 5: Cowboys to two super Bowls when I was in Dallas

737
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 5: as a local guy, and he was the mean, rough guy.

738
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: That you barely con tied with.

739
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 5: But like, you get all these people and you're like, okay, wow,

740
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 5: I get to be with them and watch football and

741
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 5: learn from them.

742
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: I mean so much of it. You know, you're there.

743
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 5: We'll sit there and they'll break down a play or

744
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: strategy or hey, Jimmy, what would you do in this situation?

745
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 5: And you know, it's taught me a lot about the

746
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 5: game to be with them on a regular basis, but

747
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 5: also to consider them friends and to spend time.

748
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: In the off season.

749
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 5: Or you know, I'll sit here and the phone rings

750
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 5: and it's Jimmy, and Jimmy's like, hey, Kurt, what you

751
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: got going? You just call him to shoot the crape.

752
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 5: Like Jimmy Johnson is calling me to shoot the crap.

753
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 5: I mean, that's all it is. There's no under there whatsoever.

754
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 5: So I think those are the moments that I look

755
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 5: and I go, I can't believe this is where I

756
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 5: am in life, you know, I really do. It sounds

757
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 5: again like a cop out, and I'm not selling the show.

758
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: It is a cop out. So no, I want to

759
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: I want Tom answer.

760
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

761
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: No, I want a moment though that I want one

762
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: of these things that we've done, because that's the other

763
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: cart and I will also pull each other's side and go, oh,

764
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: we can't really tell each other like man, we just

765
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: because we don't. You do want to act like you've

766
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 2: been there before, but you also say a thing I

767
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: want eight year old Jason and you know eight year

768
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: old Curtis.

769
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: No, here's one and it didn't happen.

770
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: But oh, then you can't say it if it didn't happen. No, no, no,

771
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: no no no.

772
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 5: I don't understand why. The first Super Bowl I was

773
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: host of for Fox was in uh was the Giants

774
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 5: against the Patriots the upset year okay, oh seven straight

775
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 5: year yeah, two thousand and eight January that year in

776
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl in Arizona.

777
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 4: And so you know obviously they halftime showing all this

778
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: kind of stuff.

779
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 5: And Scott actor and was our producer at the time,

780
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: and he pulled me to the side and he goes, hey,

781
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 5: you know the Super Bowl Sunday, Tom Petty is doing halftime,

782
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 5: but he's asked.

783
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: For you to introduce him.

784
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 5: And I go, what he is, Yeah, but I want

785
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 5: you to know that Fox is fighting it because they

786
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 5: want Ryan Seacrest to introduce him because American Idol was

787
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 5: the big show at the time. They want to tie

788
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 5: into music. Is what I didn't want.

789
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: You want a shitty thing to tell you before. This

790
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: is the day before Okay, okay, you're talking about Game D.

791
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know.

792
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: That's when you need to turn to me.

793
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: Okay, I know, I'm sad.

794
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: And his point he goes, look, I'm telling you because

795
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 5: I don't want you to hear from someone else that

796
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 5: he wanted it and Fox fought it. They're doing it

797
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 5: because they're trying to pump up American Idol, which was

798
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 5: a new kill at that time.

799
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 4: All this kind of stuff.

800
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 5: At that point, I'm like, I didn't know this. I'm

801
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: all the same thing. I'm like Tom Peenny knows who

802
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 5: I am. Are you serious? He goes, yeah, specifically he

803
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 5: asked for you. He didn't just say somebody else. He's

804
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 5: at Kurt benefit. So that was one of the coolest things.

805
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 5: And it didn't happen because Fox one and Ryan se

806
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: But that's a cool moment to have in your life,

807
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 5: in your background. It's like, eh, I'll stay close.

808
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: That is really damn close.

809
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: I still we do get to work with our best

810
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: friends obviously, right, it really is true, like man, we

811
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: are best friends, and it's just it.

812
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: Will never happen again. Like that we talk about, you know,

813
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: the last dance our show is the last dance.

814
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: It will never happen because I don't think you'll ever

815
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: have another show that is able to check individual egos

816
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: the way we do that how much we just love

817
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: each other and want the best for each.

818
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: Other and hang out with each other, and even though.

819
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 2: We do have a million other things going on, we

820
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: make sure hanging with each other is a priority. So

821
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: I always talk about in mental health, you know, make

822
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: sure you have your team. You know, having a team,

823
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: having a team helps you out through those dark times.

824
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: And if you can get through those dark times and

825
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: the good times are waiting to happen for you. It's

826
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: how you handle those dark times. But it is having

827
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: that team. I don't think there'll ever be another team

828
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: like this that ever exists in the history television.

829
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: I just can't see it wrapping them. I think the

830
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: thing you said is everybody checks their ego at the door.

831
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: Uh, And I think that's really clear with everything we do,

832
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 5: and not only do you check your ego at the door.

833
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 5: It goes back to a little bit what a I was

834
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 5: saying earlier. Everybody supported one though, right, I want you

835
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: to succeed how he wants me to succeed.

836
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: You know, Michael wants Jimmy.

837
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: Everybody's pulling for each other, you know, with the Rise

838
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 5: and Tide lifts all both that kind of philosophy.

839
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: Whatever. I think it's more than that, because I think

840
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 4: it's a genuine caring.

841
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 5: It's not that if he's big, it'll make the show bigger,

842
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: which will make me bigger. No, no, no, it's I

843
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 5: want him because he's my boy, he's my guy. I'm

844
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 5: pulling for him to succeed. And that's what I don't know, certainly,

845
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 5: not with you know, six different personalities who're all you know,

846
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 5: taking but you know they're all Hall of famers that

847
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 5: they're all right. You know, they've all got as how

848
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 5: he likes to say, region of the peacock. Everybody's got

849
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 5: their own strength that they bring. Yet everyone is willing

850
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 5: to go what's best for us.

851
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: And we're all very alpha, and yet we're also Yeah,

852
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: you're right, you feel protected in there.

853
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: We check each other a lot, but man check kind

854
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: of like crazy.

855
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it.

856
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: Well, we love each other right right off the bat, right,

857
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: Colonel come to me and go, hey, I'm just telling

858
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: you this, and I'll fucking melt down at Kurt at

859
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: one time, particularly right, I want to kind of went

860
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: off on you, and I called you later and I

861
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: and said, hey, thank you for telling me that like

862
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: I need.

863
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 5: That's a friend. That's it, and that's how it should be.

864
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 5: Though we only need those people in our lives. To

865
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 5: me and using that as an example. But one of

866
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 5: the worst things you can do as a friend is

867
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 5: just always tell them what they want to hear. Sometimes

868
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 5: you got to tell your friends they don't want to hear.

869
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 5: But if you're really their friends, this is what they

870
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 5: need to hear. This is where they need to be

871
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 5: this is what they need to realize in the moment,

872
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 5: and it goes both ways. That friend has to be

873
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 5: willing to share that with you and just say, you

874
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 5: know what, I think you're being a little sensitive about this,

875
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: or you know you're going down the wrong path and

876
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 5: you're reading this the wrong way, rather than just.

877
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: Go yeah, screw that.

878
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: You know we can all be to be that, but

879
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: that's not what you need an a genuine friend. But

880
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 5: I think that's what helps you handle the ups and downs,

881
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 5: you know, the ups and downs that come in all

882
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 5: thatspects and all walks of life.

883
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: Before I let you.

884
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: Go and ask you one question and I ask every yes,

885
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: we have all give me one moment that should have

886
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: broken you, could have broken you, but didn't. As a result,

887
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: you came through the other side of that tunnel stronger

888
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: and you're able to use that as your currency for

889
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: the rest of your life.

890
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 5: Certainly from a professional standpoint, one of the things that

891
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 5: stands out is that you know, I told that Third

892
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 5: on the Year when I was nineteen years old working

893
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 5: to see the rappittsile. I graduated from there and got

894
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 5: off the job in news because they didn't want to

895
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 5: add a third full time person in sports. I said no,

896
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 5: I want to do sports. Wound up going to Des Moines,

897
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 5: worked there and went to Madison, Wisconsin, which first job

898
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 5: I had behind an anchor desk. I was the weekend

899
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 5: sports taker. So I was there and I was coming

900
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 5: up two years. My contract was coming up, and there

901
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 5: was this organization called Mislows Sports News Network SNN and

902
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 5: they were what ESPN news, well what that used to

903
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 5: be now, but it was just sports news twenty four hours.

904
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 5: They didn't do games, they didn't do anything else. It

905
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: was highlights news, highlights news. They were based out Washington,

906
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: d C. And they said, hey, you know we're starting

907
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: up the stational company. This is nineteen ninety. Well it's

908
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 5: actually it was the end of nineteen ninety August to

909
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety, going into ninety one, and they offered me

910
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 5: a job looking to take the next level going for

911
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 5: me the weekend anchor at Madison, Wisconsin, this nationale platform.

912
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, I'll do it. So I left and

913
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: went again. Being single certainly helped. I went there in

914
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: August of nineteen ninety. In December ninety they go bankrupt

915
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 5: and so you got the holidays nobody's hiring. January of

916
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 5: ninety one, the first Gulf War breaks out, nobody's hiring

917
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 5: sports guys in particular. So I'm unemployed at that point,

918
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, you know, and I'm twenty five,

919
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 5: so it's not like I have a life savings. You know,

920
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 5: I got no money. I'm unemployed. I come from a

921
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 5: single parent household. So I went back and spent Christmas

922
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 5: with my mom, but it wasn't like there was money

923
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 5: I could rely on there. I go back to Madison, Wisconsin,

924
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 5: and I wound up living with some friends, my husband

925
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: and wife, and they allowed me to stay with them.

926
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 5: But they were college friends, so I knew them. And

927
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 5: I wound up being out.

928
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 4: Of television for eight months until July the following year.

929
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: And then I got offered a job in Jacksonville, Florida,

930
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 5: and wound up going there, and the rest.

931
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: Wound up being history, as they say.

932
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 5: But that's a moment where I had to decide, Okay,

933
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 5: am I committed to this or am I going to

934
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 5: do something else?

935
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: You know. I did whatever I could.

936
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 5: And there was no freelance TV jobs back then, for sure,

937
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 5: or freelance radio. It was I went and volunteered. I

938
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 5: went and worked on a Senate campaign for rustlank goals

939
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 5: that wound up beating this four term senator. At that point,

940
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 5: he was a local guy and the only reason I

941
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 5: worked for this campaign because I needed a job and.

942
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: I met him on a flight.

943
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 5: So I met him on the flight when I was

944
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 5: going to SNN for the interview and he was sitting

945
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 5: beside me. He recognized me from TV. We got to talking,

946
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: exchanged numbers. So when I got back and I kind

947
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 5: of need something to do, He's like, okay, wants to

948
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: come work on my campaign. So he wound up winning.

949
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 5: But that's beside the point. The point is there was

950
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 5: eight months where I had pretty much no income zero.

951
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 5: I was living with friends in a town that I

952
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 5: didn't grow up there, and I had to make a decision, Okay,

953
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 5: how committed are you to this being your career, because

954
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 5: at that point you kind of need a job, You

955
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 5: need something else. Maybe it's time to turn the corner

956
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 5: and not do this, you know, maybe I need to

957
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 5: sell in shorge or work at a bank, or whatever

958
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 5: the other job is.

959
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: I was a history major. They need to be a teacher.

960
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 5: But I knew that in my heart, I'd be disappointed

961
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: in myself if I didn't keep fighting, and something would

962
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 5: show up and that would allow me to do what

963
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: I want to Now what level. I never thought about

964
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: being a network show or whatever. It was just getting

965
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 5: a job and being in sports locally again. And when

966
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: I got the job in Jacksonville, it was a sense

967
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 5: of relief. But it taught me how to fight through

968
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 5: adversity because we all like to think we could in

969
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 5: moments when times are tough, I'd be tough. You don't

970
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 5: find out until times are tough, you know. And that

971
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 5: was an eye opening moment, and that's one that I

972
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 5: will never forget, uh And it's one that I don't

973
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 5: mind sharing with people because I think a lot of

974
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 5: people get in that situation, you know.

975
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 4: It's the book that I wrote.

976
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: Losing is in everything about people losing famous events and

977
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 5: World Series and Olympics. But part of the reason I

978
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 5: wrote that because I wanted people to get lessons out

979
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: of it. And my stories are saying life is not smooth.

980
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: We're all gonna have adversity. You're gonna lose your job unforcedly,

981
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 5: you get divorced, you lose the loved one, They're hard.

982
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: Things that we have to deal with.

983
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 5: I think there are lessons that come out of sports

984
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: and jobs and things you can learn from other people,

985
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: But what are those lessons? And that's why I don't

986
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 5: mind sharing that story, because I think I've certainly learned

987
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 5: that lesson about perseverance, and hopefully other people can too

988
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 5: just by hearing it.

989
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Man, Well, I'm obviously so glad you didn't quit, because

990
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: if you didn't quit.

991
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: How would be screwed? I'd be screwed again. He is

992
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: America's pregame ost to me.

993
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: You should say America Sweetheart. That's what you're gonna say.

994
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 6: America's Sweetheart's my therapist slash posts and one of my

995
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 6: best friends I could ever hope for my life.

996
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Man, I appreciate your brother. Again.

997
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: Kurt Menafee here in the Apreakable podcast, thank you, abut

998
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Speaker 2: thank you,