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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: long term high that people seek. It's oblivion and euphoria

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00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: that often leads to sleep. And that's the best you

429
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: can seek, and you keep getting higher doses to get

430
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: there because you're tolerant and dependent. And I'm just really

431
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: um torn up that there's a criminal justice system that

432
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: keeps putting these children back in her care without compulsory

433
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: probationary drug testing. I'm a very strong proponent of drug

434
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: testing to make sure this kind of stuff doesn't happen.

435
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: The last time she was in her apartment and the

436
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: child was in the bathtub. That's what happened the very

437
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: last time. I mean, there's been so many times it's

438
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: hard to keep up with it. But the last time

439
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: she was unconscious while her child. The taught that infant

440
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: actually was submerged in the water. It goes off from

441
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: from there. Um there were spoons and glass sing envelopes

442
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: containing heroine residue. More cracked that time as well. After

443
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: a hospital exam, Diana Joseph was charged with possession of

444
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: a dangerous substance and endangering a child. This is what

445
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand in this case, the current case where

446
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: the child is dead, Drew Nelson, The child is dead

447
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: while mommy's passed out on heroin. She dies about one

448
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: foot away from her. Last time, her son was one

449
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: ft away from her, submerged in the water while she

450
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: was high. Why is she only charged with child endangerment

451
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: Because to me, this is felony child abuse or felony

452
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: child endangerment and a death occurred, that's felony murder. Right now,

453
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: she faces that second degree child endangerment charge, like you said, Nancy,

454
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: But if when the autopsy comes back, there is the

455
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: possibility that the charges could be upgraded. A felony exit

456
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: from the way that the police were describing this, he

457
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: was in the process of committing a felony and somebody

458
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: died there go. Felony murder could be the charge she faces.

459
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: As of right now, she faces the second degree child

460
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: endangerment charge tenure maximum sentence and a hundred fifty dollar

461
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: maximum fine. I've learned something else, Dr Maroney. Authorities say

462
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: that the little girl, the two year old Todd, had

463
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: no signs of blunt force trauma. Uh and they're still

464
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: trying to determine the exact cause of death. It was

465
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: a cool night, but Diana Joseph had the heater on.

466
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: The car was parked and running for all this time.

467
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: How does that factor into the autopsy? Dr Maroney, Well,

468
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: if it was a child that was strapped in that

469
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: was trying to get out of a chair, it's most

470
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: likely strangulation. And if she had the heater on, that

471
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: child was overheating and she was trying to get out

472
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: of a chair because she was uncomfortable. Mommy didn't know

473
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: what was happening, Mommy was unconscious, Mommy was asleep. But

474
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: anytime somebody's hot, they try to get away. A young

475
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: child doesn't understand open the door through the crank. It

476
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: just tries to arrive and struggle out of a tight

477
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: car seat. And again the head is oversized. The straps

478
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: are across the chest and shoulders. As a child slips down,

479
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: they pull up and it's likely asphyxiation or strangulation. You

480
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: know what, um, I am not siding with the mom,

481
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: even though I know she's got this drug problem. I'm

482
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: siding with a little girl. The child is dead. The

483
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: two year old little girl is dead. This mom has

484
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: been in and out of the system for child neglect

485
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: and child abuse, and right now we don't even know.

486
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: It's not clear whether mommy was even being monitored by

487
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: the Department of Child of Family Services. What is going

488
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: on in New Jersey? Why are they taking care of

489
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: their children when a mom can't do the job. I

490
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: don't like this, but that is when a child has

491
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: got to be placed in foster care. And I don't

492
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: like foster care. But this child is dead and I

493
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: can guarantee you this. We may not know the cause

494
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: of death right now, but I can guarantee you this.

495
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: The last thing that baby saw was mommy. Hurricane Harvey,

496
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: ree King havoc throughout Texas, but there is one family

497
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: in particular that is reacting very differently to Hurricane Harvey.

498
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: And this is why it could destroy. The hurricane could

499
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: destroy any hope of ever finding missing Texas realtor Crystal McDowell. Apparently,

500
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: this beautiful young realtor goes missing just before Hurricane Harvey

501
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: straight out to reporter Drew Nelson, Crime Stories contributing reporter,

502
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: what happened? What do we know about her disappearance? Drew?

503
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: She's been missing since Friday, It was the hours right

504
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: before Hurricane Harvey hits. She's from Baytown, Texas, that's just

505
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: east of Houston, and her uncle that that's her closest relative.

506
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 1: Her parents died when she was eleven, so her uncle

507
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: runs the family real estate agency, and he says that

508
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: she left a message to just, you know, routine message

509
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: to say that she had a couple of appointments and

510
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: that's the last he ever heard from her. He went

511
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: and talked to her ex husband later in the day.

512
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: He um she's been staying at his home because her

513
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: home has been under renovation. So Crystal has been staying

514
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: with the ex husband, and her uncle said she talked

515
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: he talked to the ex husband and he said that

516
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: Crystal sent him a text. This is the ex husband

517
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: sent him a Texas says she was coming to pick

518
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: up their two young children to take to Dallas. So,

519
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: even before heavy rains have devastated Houston because of Harvey,

520
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: this family already suffering from a nightmare that they can't

521
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: wake up from Monday Mark day four without hearing from

522
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Crystal McDowell. Now this happened just before Harvey goes down

523
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: to Dr William Moroney, in light of Harvey in Texas,

524
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: how is this going to affect finding Crystal this Texas realtor,

525
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: or if she's dead, finding her body in the collection

526
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: of evidence, this is devastating. This could literally wipe out

527
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: any crime scene. If there was a crime scene, if

528
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: there was a primary crime scene, a secondary crime scene,

529
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be lost in the secondary effects of

530
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: finding her. If the body is found, it's gonna dependent

531
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: on moisture and temperature, whether or not the body the

532
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: case according to and understood protocol so that they would

533
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: be able to set a time of approximate death. So

534
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: but collecting evidence, this is a game changer. This is

535
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: a deal breaker. You're not kidding. This is what we

536
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: know about her. She's thirty eight years old. Uh, she

537
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: looks like she's got long blonde hair. She was a

538
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: former flight attendant for express Jet. She was already bringing

539
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: in tens of thousands of dollars in revenue every month

540
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: for the real estate company. Everybody loved her. She never

541
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: missed an appointment. But catch this, she had appointments the

542
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: day she went missing and never showed up. In my mind,

543
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: Dr Moroney, that's where you start with your timeline, agree

544
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: or disagree. I totally agree. She always is prompt in

545
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: returning messages, whether from a client or a family member. Always, always.

546
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: That's why the family knew something was very wrong. Now

547
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: from my unders standing, straight back out to Drew Nelson

548
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: reporting on the case. Cops searched her home but found

549
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: nothing of any significance. They also got to her computer

550
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: and it looked like some files have been destroyed, which

551
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: piqued my interest. But it looks like that may have

552
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: happened because of a factory reset, so you know, that's

553
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: nothing nefarious at all. The woman, Crystal McDowell always active

554
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: on social media. She has not posted on her personal

555
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: page or her professional page. Since the same day she

556
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: missed those appointments. Drew. Now, when you say factory reset

557
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: on her computer, what that means is somebody went in

558
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: there and wiped it out intentionally. Oh my goodness. Okay, see,

559
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know that factory reset. I thought that meant

560
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: something completely different. Drew It school me, what does that mean?

561
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: Factory reset. That's taking your computer, your smartphone, your tablet,

562
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: takes it back to zero like it's a brand new

563
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: except the police can go in there and find what's

564
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: been wiped out. It's it's as though it's been kind

565
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: of wiped over um with paint, but then you can

566
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: just kind of wipe the paint away and see what

567
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: was there. So now, okay, I did not know, Drew Nelson,

568
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: that that is what factory reset meant. Uh. Dr Moroney,

569
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: especially in the real estate business. I doubt very seriously

570
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: she reset her phone and her computer because those are

571
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: all of her contacts. Somebody's trying to cover something up,

572
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: some recent contact, some phone numbers, some emails being wiped

573
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: out on purpose. This is forensic evidence that this needs

574
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: to be recreated. Crystal McDowell is described as five four ways,

575
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: about a hundred and twenty pounds with blonde, long blonde hair.

576
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: It comes about onto her elbows. Now, authorities are not

577
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: sharing information, uh, regarding what the files may have contained

578
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: that they are trying to salvage right now. But I

579
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: think it it's very foreboding that the day she you know,

580
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: how realtors live and breathe, They rise or fall on

581
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: those appointments, she missed two of them, which she had

582
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: never done before. You know. Back to Drew Nelson, reporter

583
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: on the story, Drew, what do we know about her

584
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: personal life? Does she have children? Now? She has two

585
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: children with her ex husband and they are still staying

586
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: with her ex husband right now, Wait a minute. Ex husband, Now,

587
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: he has not been named as a suspect. He has

588
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: not been named as a person of interest at all.

589
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm just asking on my own what do we know

590
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: about him? Now? The uncle has been has been talking

591
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: and he says that the after the asked, he heard

592
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: from Crystal. Later in the day he called and spoke

593
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: to the ex husband, and the ex husband said that

594
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Crystal cinema text to say that she was on their

595
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: way to pick up their two young children to take

596
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: to Dallas. And now her uncle is saying that Crystal

597
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: never said anything about making plans to evacuate to Dallas

598
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: for the storm. Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Was

599
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: this when they knew Harvey was coming, but before Harvey

600
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: had hit? This was just a few hours before the

601
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: storm hit. I find it very hard to believe Dr

602
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: Maroney that she would evacuate and leave her children behind

603
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: after the ex husband is saying she was planning to

604
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: take them with her. I don't believe that, Dr Maroney.

605
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: That's impossible. Mother's instinct, intuition would never allow that to happen.

606
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: That just families don't do that in emergencies. So what now,

607
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, what should they be doing now to try

608
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: to find Crystal McDowall, guys, please help us find this

609
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: Texas mom. She goes missing just before Harvey hits. Tip

610
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: Law for Chambers County, p. D. Four oh nine to

611
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: give us some advice. Doctor, We need forensic I T specialists,

612
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: people that have been trained by the FBI or the

613
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: Texas Bureau of Investigations of GEORGI Old Bureau of Investigations,

614
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: or maybe military to reconstruct some of the resets. Dr

615
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: William Moroney joining US Medical Examiner out of Madison Heights.

616
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: A lot of focus has been placed on Harvey, which

617
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: I understand, but Crystal's family is more focused on her

618
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: activity on the Thursday and the Friday before she goes missing.

619
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: They are desperate for anyone that may have seen or

620
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: spoken with Crystal McDowell. Crystals Serat McDowell, Mother, Texas realtor

621
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Missing Tipline, Chambers County p D Police Department, four oh

622
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: nine to six seven twenty five hundred, Drew Drew Nelson.

623
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: What more can you tell me? The family has contacted

624
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: the FBI, They've contacted Baytown Police, They've contacted the sheriff's

625
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: office that they're they're all busy with the with the

626
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: flood with Hurricane Harvey, the FBI, their office is flooded

627
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: in right now. So the family is frustrated beyond belief.

628
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: That their cousin has been saying that the police are

629
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: just too busy to look for Crystal and too busy

630
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 1: to look for her black Mercedes Benz uh and they've

631
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: had several reports of abandoned cars, abandoned Mercedes Ben's that

632
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: the police can't check out because they're just too busy

633
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: saving people. Here's the other thing, uh, and again the

634
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: husband the ax has not been named at all. What

635
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: about this theory? Drew Nelson. She had an opening and

636
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: a closing that day. Have the people that she was

637
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: supposed to meet been checked out? Because I recalled distinctly, Oh,

638
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this case. This realtor, a mom had

639
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: one showing. She was on her way home. She was

640
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: on the phone with her husband and they were deciding

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Speaker 1: who's going to pick up something for dinner. She was

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Speaker 1: working late, nobody had time to cook. Boy, I've been

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Speaker 1: there and they make plans about whatever they were going

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Speaker 1: to pick up. She had one showing left. It was

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Speaker 1: starting to get dark. She went to the showing. She

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Speaker 1: was never saying alive again. She was murdered by some

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Speaker 1: guy there at the empty home. That's what happened. So

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Speaker 1: what about that those people been checked out? Drew Nelson.

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Speaker 1: The opening and the closing that day. That takes us

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Speaker 1: back to what's on her computer. Police would have to

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Speaker 1: recover her schedule to find out the people who were

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Speaker 1: on those two appointments. Check out those names, check out

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Speaker 1: those people and find them. Now we don't know if

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Speaker 1: police have had a chance to talk to them yet,

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Speaker 1: but this goes back to the fact that they're so

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Speaker 1: busy with the hurricane. This has just been put on

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Speaker 1: the back burner because there so busy with saving people's lives,

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Speaker 1: pulling people off of cars, off the off of their roofs,

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Speaker 1: that they they're just not able to give this the

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Speaker 1: attention that it needs. Nancy, Well, this is another thing.

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Speaker 1: We know the children, the two children are at the

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Speaker 1: excess home, and she hasn't contacted them. Yeah, here this

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Speaker 1: is what I also what I know According to her cousin,

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Speaker 1: Melissa Cherry, she says Crystal had canceled a walk through

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Speaker 1: earlier that morning. Does that mean Crystal call and made

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Speaker 1: the cancelation or she didn't show up. The cousin goes

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Speaker 1: on to say, this is not a storm thing. Crystal

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Speaker 1: had appointments the day before and that day. We haven't

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Speaker 1: heard from her since that morning. Um, she was driving,

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Speaker 1: as you said, a black Mercedes, but because of the flooding,

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Speaker 1: the family has not been able to get out and

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Speaker 1: look for it. Um. Another thing that I know, she

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Speaker 1: hasn't tried to contact her children. That's bad. Okay. Also

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Speaker 1: we know that cousin says she's gotten numerous calls about

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Speaker 1: abandoned Mercedes and some costs to people claiming to have

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Speaker 1: Crystal and trying to extore money. This has got to

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Speaker 1: be pure hell, the uncle keeps saying, talking about the

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Speaker 1: helpless feeling he has, nobody can do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: So where does it stand right now? The tag number

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Speaker 1: H happy B brother B brother black Mercedes H happy

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Speaker 1: be brother be brother sixty three fifty one. Where does

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Speaker 1: it stand now? Drew? The last that her uncle heard

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Speaker 1: anything about her was when he talked to her ex husband,

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Speaker 1: the man who still has their children. Crystal has been

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Speaker 1: staying with her ex husband because her house has been

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Speaker 1: under renovation. Uh. The x husband says, the last thing

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Speaker 1: that he heard from her was that she was on

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Speaker 1: the way to pick up their two young children to

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Speaker 1: take the Dallas. But the uncle, he questions whether she

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Speaker 1: ever sent those messages. Now I'm quoting him here. He says,

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Speaker 1: we aren't sure she sent those messages to him. Well,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to have for for insta expert to determine that.

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Speaker 1: Tipline everybody four zero nine seven. Amidst all the pain

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Speaker 1: and misery and suffering happening in our Texas right now,

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Speaker 1: let's don't forget Crystal McDowell, Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,