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Speaker 2: Oh, you're too sweet. I love that.

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Speaker 3: I love that we're talking about this. You know, the

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we just got to look in the mirror and

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Speaker 1: Mean we're pointing a finger, but we have all these

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Speaker 1: And you know, we see so much of the church

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Speaker 2: That going on Rachel Lamb Brown welcome.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's so much that's going on in our world,

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Speaker 6: But you know, be hopeful, hopeful.

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Speaker 5: I love our guest today. She did a great sermon

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Speaker 1: I know we're even talking about that, Rebecca Lam, why's welcome?

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Speaker 2: Hello? How are you.

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Speaker 8: Hopivil taller than you?

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Speaker 2: I think you are? No, No, we look this so symmetrical.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I just think that we look at

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Speaker 6: So we have to have discernment.

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Speaker 2: We have to do everything from a place of love.

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Speaker 1: It's true, Dorothy, And we've got to really pray for

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Speaker 9: No, no, you know that's the only way it can happen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, she's a prophetic worship leader, a voice of

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Speaker 2: Please welcome Catherine Mullen's Robbins. Hello, how are you. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: How are you, lady? Yeah, we're good, We're good. Welcome

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Speaker 6: I'm so excited to be here. All of these beautiful

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Speaker 1: For sure, we look forward to hearing what you have

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Speaker 6: Yes, David Robbins, he is got a good night, I know.

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Speaker 6: He's a pastor. He takes such good care of our family.

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Speaker 6: Yes, they honestly, I kind of listened to them. They

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Speaker 6: hard on others, they tend to be hard on themselves.

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Speaker 6: And so we have this picture of Peter. He's told

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Speaker 6: Jesus his best friend, whatever happens to you, no matter what,

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Speaker 6: die with you. That's what all of us want to hear,

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Speaker 6: but would like the follow through, you know, And you know,

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Speaker 6: I feel like I see so much of Peter and me.

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Speaker 6: So this is very convicting with all of these and

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Speaker 6: that's the prayer is God, get Peter out of me

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Speaker 6: so Christ can be formed in me and a work

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Speaker 6: can be done through me, you know, I said. So

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Speaker 6: he promises Jesus the moon. Obviously we know the story

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Speaker 6: that he doesn't deliver. Jesus says, you're going to deny me.

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Speaker 6: Three times it happens. He denies him so vehemently that

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Speaker 6: he uses inappropriate language, and he's going across because come on, Peter,

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Speaker 6: and there's different ways to view this, but he goes

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Speaker 6: And I look at that and I think he kind

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Speaker 6: of backslid. He went back to what he knew the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: And he took some disciples with him. They all went

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Speaker 6: fishing together. And so we have this picture in John

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Speaker 6: I believe it's twenty one and this is the Catherine

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Speaker 6: version of it. But Jesus is just over there. He's

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Speaker 6: been resurrected now, and he just starts to wave at

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Speaker 6: these disciples, and he's already said at one point, hey

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Speaker 6: go tell the disciples and Peter, you know. So he's

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Speaker 6: already made a point to say, hey, Peter, it's going

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Speaker 6: to be okay. I'm calling you back, you know. And

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Speaker 6: so the disciples see him, they come back. Jesus has

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Speaker 6: the fire, and he sits them all down. And if

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Speaker 6: I was Jesus at this point, I'd be bringing my

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Speaker 6: grudge list. I mean, that's just it. I'd have to

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Speaker 6: work through some bitterness, some unforgiveness, and I would just

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Speaker 6: need to tell these people, do you know how you

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that rooster crow through? Yeah? Yeah, I

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Speaker 6: And yet Jesus doesn't do any of that. He doesn't

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Speaker 6: bring a grudge list. He brings a grace list, and

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Speaker 6: so this person that hurt him, he just sits him

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Speaker 6: down by the fire and he makes eye contact. He

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Speaker 6: doesn't even bring up all of his issues, and he

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Speaker 6: just says, hey, Peter, do you love me? And I

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Speaker 6: think sometimes we get so hard on ourselves and our

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Speaker 6: journeys and we make mistakes. Or maybe we're the one

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Speaker 6: who gossiped. Maybe we're the one who slandered, because again

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Speaker 6: there's Peter and all of us. Maybe we were the

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Speaker 6: one that was critical about the move of God. I

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Speaker 6: know I've been very convicted about that in this season

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Speaker 6: to guard my mouth. But he just looks at him,

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Speaker 6: he doesn't bring all that up, and he just says,

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Speaker 6: do you love me?

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Speaker 2: Feed my sheep?

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Speaker 6: And just in that instant instance, he is he's brought

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Speaker 6: back into the fold and he's reinstated into his calling.

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Speaker 6: And I would just say to the people who are watching,

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Speaker 6: if you feel like you've done something to disqualify you,

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Speaker 6: I just want to say, the cross is so much bigger,

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Speaker 6: the grace of God is so much stronger, and the

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Speaker 6: Lord's wanting to meet with you today and he's not

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Speaker 6: bringing a grudge list like so many of us would do.

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Speaker 2: He's bringing a.

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Speaker 6: Grace list and I just decree of read that he's

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Speaker 6: reinstating you in this season.

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Speaker 5: How do we as Christians not engage in all of

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Speaker 5: this because it's so much and I feel like it's

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Speaker 5: everywhere and it's just all consuming at times, and it's easy.

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Speaker 5: Our natural inclination is to want to know and to

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Speaker 5: look and to watch and to listen. Like, what does

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Speaker 5: that do to us?

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Speaker 1: The Lord told me, they'll look at any of that stuff. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't look any I don't look any at any

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Speaker 1: of Everybody thinks you look at it because if they

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's really what it is is.

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Speaker 6: We sometimes just have to shut social media off. And

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Speaker 6: so I was the last month of my pregnancy when

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Speaker 6: a lot of some things were breaking out and I

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Speaker 6: got on social media and I think you and I

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Speaker 6: were talking about this, and I just I saw all

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Speaker 6: these things, just people were posting, posting, posting, and I

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Speaker 6: was just like, you get tempted to click, and then

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Speaker 6: you think, well, maybe something bad is happening and I

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Speaker 6: need to know. And I think this is where a

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Speaker 6: discernment comes in and one the Lord told me guard

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Speaker 6: my peace. And obviously, you know, the Bible tells us

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Speaker 6: that gossip is like choice morsels. It goes deep down

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 6: It also says this in James one twenty six. It

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Speaker 6: says that if we think that we're religious but we

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Speaker 6: can't get a rain on our tongue, it says that

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Speaker 6: we've actually deceived ourselves and our religion is worthless. And

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Speaker 6: so it's very convicting. And so I think turning it

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Speaker 6: off is a big thing. But I remember going to

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Speaker 6: I need to know, I need to you know, I

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Speaker 6: need to know, make sure. And the Lord really convict

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Speaker 6: to me, and he said, you don't even know these people.

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Speaker 6: You don't really, this has nothing to do with you.

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Speaker 6: And he just said shut it off. And one of

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Speaker 6: the that's it. And one of my friends try to

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Speaker 6: bring it up, and again their good intention. You know,

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Speaker 6: we're trying to preserve the body of Christ. And I

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Speaker 6: just said, I don't know these people. This is not

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Speaker 6: my story, this is not my show, not my circus.

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't need to know any of this.

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Speaker 6: You know, and it's it's making a decision to guard

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Speaker 6: our eyes and guard our hearts and what we're putting

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Speaker 6: in us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and God knows what's down the road as to

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Speaker 1: why He sometimes for texts us from some of those

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Speaker 1: things and doors that will open and opportunities, you know,

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Speaker 1: So i'd appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that attitude.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're out of time, so good you'll come back

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Speaker 1: and be with us and preach a little more.

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Speaker 3: I love it, Okay, I love it, But I want

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Speaker 3: you to.

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Speaker 1: Remember to choose carefully the voices you listen to and

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Speaker 1: agree with. God invites you to see through his eyes

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Speaker 1: and keep your heart tender, Stay close to the Holy Spirit,

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Speaker 1: and speak life to those around you, especially those who

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Speaker 1: are hurting. If you're watching today and you need prayer

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Speaker 1: or you haven't asked Jesus to come into your heart,

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Speaker 1: it's so easy just to say Jesus, I need you.

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Speaker 1: Always tell people is the onus is not on me

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Speaker 1: to prove who he is. You need to say, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't really know if I believe it or not. Well,

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Speaker 1: just I challenge you open your heart and say God,

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Speaker 1: if you are who they say you are, will you

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Speaker 1: reveal yourself.

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Speaker 2: To me and he will.

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Speaker 1: Okay and so, but it's just as easy saying Jesus,

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Speaker 1: I love you, forgive me Come into my heart. Boom,

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Speaker 1: he's there. We have prayer partners that are standing by.

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Speaker 1: We love to pray with you. That's why that numbers

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Speaker 1: want to thank Catherine for joining us. Find out more

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Speaker 1: Catherine is bringing a powerful reminder for every season with

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Speaker 2: Yes, She's an amazing singer. I love this song.

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Speaker 1: She's anointed and as she sings is You're gonna feel

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Speaker 1: the presence of the Lord. Some of you need to sing.

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Speaker 1: This song is called sing like the Battle is over.

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Speaker 1: You might be right in the middle of the battle.

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Speaker 1: There's something about worshiping God right in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the battle. That's what this song talks about. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for watching. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 7: By bab for Today.

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Speaker 12: This praise that breaks the silence, a sound the slaves,

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Speaker 12: the giants, a voice that breaks down every prison do

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Speaker 12: when we lift up our voices, praise is good for us,

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Speaker 12: for we know the battle is love.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying the battle is over.

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna tas like the words one every prison door, swing.

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Speaker 2: Oh bit whe the kids.

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna say like the battle is older. I'm gonna

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Speaker 13: dance like the warves one heavy present.

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Speaker 2: Torst me a bit on the chick.

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Speaker 1: So I know, I know, Well, what if everything you've

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Speaker 1: been striving to earn was already fully provided?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is here to reveal how to break free

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Speaker 1: from legalism and step into a life of rest and

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Speaker 1: peace and grace. Going to be sharing a powerful revelation

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Speaker 1: from his new book, The Transformative Power of Grace. He's

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Speaker 1: going to share his personal story. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: be sharing a sattuned?

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Speaker 2: But before we get to that, joint around the table

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Speaker 2: is April Simon's how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great and I love It's not about rules,

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Speaker 3: It's about relationship, and I love our guests today. Been

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Speaker 3: a family friend forever and my first time I think

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Speaker 3: meeting him.

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Speaker 7: Put it.

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Speaker 2: Georgie Newton, how are you? I am doing so good?

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Speaker 2: Really good? Yes, we love like testimonies, don't we, authentic testimony.

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Speaker 9: Guy's testament of his glory is just unbelievable, what he's done,

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Speaker 9: what he can do. So I've heard a lot about

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Speaker 9: our guests, and I'm excited because his ministress has really

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Speaker 9: helped a lot of people, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Rachel amb Brown, how are you? I'm good man. You

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Speaker 2: never know what somebody's walk through you.

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Speaker 5: You just see him on stage and preaching and encouraging

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Speaker 5: and rein out, never knowing the battles that they're facing.

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Speaker 2: It's true, It's so true.

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Speaker 5: It gives you courage and hope to know about God

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Speaker 5: can bring you to the other side.

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Speaker 2: And it's right. That's right. We need to hear that,

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Speaker 2: don't we. That's right. Cindy Johnson, how are you hey?

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Speaker 2: I am good?

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Speaker 6: So excited about our guest today. What a legendary minister

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Speaker 6: of the gospel.

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Speaker 2: Even though he's still young.

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Speaker 10: Yes, you can be thirty and still be a legends

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Speaker 10: or hell, but I'm excited to hear what he has

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Speaker 10: to share today.

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Speaker 2: Oh, doctor Carefler Dollar, welcome to the table.

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Speaker 7: Thank you. I'm glad to finally be at the table.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're here. I'm so glad you're here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you're tired of striving, it's time

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Speaker 1: to step into the truth that God has already given

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Speaker 1: us everything we need. And Kreslow Dollar is a pastor

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Speaker 1: and best selling author who walked through a season of

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Speaker 1: pain and actually illness almost like a modern day job,

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Speaker 1: and he's here to share how the power of grace

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Speaker 1: carried him through.

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Speaker 2: So, first off, I want to say thank you for

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Speaker 2: being here.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome and enjoyed your teaching ministry for so many years.

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Speaker 1: It's just a great teacher of the Word of God.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you break it down where you can understand it.

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes you hear people preach and you're like, okay,

665
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I understand all that, but you

666
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Speaker 1: really take time to try to explain it in a way.

667
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Speaker 1: And Jesus was like that, wasn't he Okay?

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Speaker 2: So take us through.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you passed your great church in Atlanta preach

670
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Speaker 1: for thirty plus years maybe more. We won't tell everything,

671
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Speaker 1: but tell us about this last season from say twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty to twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 11: I'm in the midst of really understanding Grace and understanding

674
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Speaker 11: how amazing a personal relationship with Jesus is, and understanding

675
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Speaker 11: the finished.

676
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Speaker 7: Works of Jesus.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean he on the cross that it's finished. Yeah,

678
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Speaker 11: And I'm like, well, what's finished? I want to know

679
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Speaker 11: what's finished?

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Speaker 1: Like, you've had great success in years at a huge church.

681
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Speaker 1: You're like you have been in the ministry for a

682
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Speaker 1: long time. When you're thinking these things.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean a lot of people ask, well, why

684
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Speaker 11: is it that it still appeared like you were successful

685
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Speaker 11: teaching rules and under the law versus now that you're

686
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Speaker 11: teaching the gospel and under grace. And I think people

687
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Speaker 11: kind of like being in control of their own situation

688
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Speaker 11: and destiny and being able to do something to earn something,

689
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Speaker 11: Being able to have a transactional relationship with God was

690
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Speaker 11: a whole lot easier than it's finished. And I need

691
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Speaker 11: to align myself up with what's already finished and just

692
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Speaker 11: continue to work on my intimacy and my relationship with God.

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Speaker 11: You know, I think preachers like to control people, and

694
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Speaker 11: I think people like to be in control, and so

695
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Speaker 11: that could be one of the reasons why it appears

696
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Speaker 11: to be successful. But you know, when you talk about

697
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Speaker 11: prosperity or success, money is not prosperity.

698
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Speaker 7: No wholeness is right.

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Speaker 11: You want to be whole in every area. That's what

700
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Speaker 11: makes you successful.

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Speaker 1: It's like the woman with issue of blood exactly, she

702
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: was whole.

703
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Speaker 7: She was whole.

704
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Speaker 1: So every area of our life, every area that's prosperity,

705
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Speaker 1: that's prosperity.

706
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Speaker 11: I mean, you can have money and be dying of cancer.

707
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 11: You're just a sick man with money, you know, But

708
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Speaker 11: you have to.

709
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Speaker 7: Have all of it.

710
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Speaker 11: All the slices of the pie need to be available

711
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Speaker 11: to do that. So I'm teaching this and I'm convinced

712
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Speaker 11: of the finished works of Jesus Christ. I am convinced

713
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Speaker 11: that I don't have to earn my healing. Jesus did

714
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Speaker 11: that for me. I need to just receive what He's

715
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Speaker 11: done for me. And then my expression goes from that place. Okay, Father,

716
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Speaker 11: thank you that I'm well, thank you that I'm healed.

717
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Speaker 11: Thank you for what your blood has done in the

718
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Speaker 11: midst of this and COVID's almost over.

719
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Speaker 7: I get COVID, and.

720
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Speaker 11: I'm confronted with a lot of things that I really

721
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 11: didn't know was there, like approval, addiction.

722
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Speaker 7: What are they going to say?

723
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Speaker 11: Will they maybe think that I did something wrong in

724
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Speaker 11: order to get this, Oh Man of faith? Where is

725
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Speaker 11: your faith? Or your faith is weak?

726
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Speaker 7: And I'm thinking, where is all this coming from?

727
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Speaker 11: And so I go through the process of COVID, and

728
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Speaker 11: I go through the process like this, all right, this

729
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Speaker 11: is how you started.

730
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Speaker 7: I'm healed.

731
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Speaker 11: I believe I received that, but I thought it was

732
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Speaker 11: maybe going to be a couple of week journey. And

733
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Speaker 11: how long will you say that you're healed? How long

734
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Speaker 11: will you rest in the finished works of Jesus Christ

735
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Speaker 11: seeing it, yeah, not seeing it right away?

736
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Speaker 7: And will you get.

737
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Speaker 11: An understanding of laboring because that's a very interesting scripture,

738
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 11: labor to rest. And I find out that laboring to

739
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 11: rest simply means it's kind of like when a storm

740
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 11: comes and knocks your dish offline and you don't get

741
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 11: the channels on the inside. It's a matter of getting

742
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 11: up and just readjusting your dish. And so the labor

743
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 11: part is trusting and aligning myself with what's already finished.

744
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, why do we do that?

745
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Speaker 11: Why do we think it's strange when we.

746
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 7: Go through things?

747
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Speaker 11: When he said they that live godly shall suffer persecution,

748
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Speaker 11: And so this thing hits my body and I'm standing

749
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Speaker 11: on the word.

750
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Speaker 7: And throughout that process.

751
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Speaker 11: You know, the Lord's revealing things like John chapter nine,

752
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 11: who did sin? That this boy was born blind nobody,

753
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Speaker 11: but that my glory might be seen. So I'm becoming

754
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Speaker 11: empathetic that when I see people go through stuff, don't

755
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 11: be so quick to think they did something wrong to

756
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Speaker 11: deserve this. God may be preparing them for his glory

757
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Speaker 11: to be seen. And so I get through this, and

758
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 11: then all of a sudden, the blood clots begin to

759
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 11: surround my lungs, and I'm thinking, well, I'm healed. And

760
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Speaker 11: then i look in the mirror and I'm one hundred

761
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Speaker 11: and fifty two pounds and I'm healed.

762
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Speaker 2: And shrinking.

763
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Speaker 7: Yeah, could you breathe?

764
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Speaker 6: Could you breathe?

765
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I had a friend of mine who's also my doctor.

767
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 11: We walked through the process.

768
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Speaker 7: And I've had certain treatments that I would, you know.

769
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Speaker 1: Do, And you got through the COVID and the blood

770
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Speaker 1: clots and you're like, you're going through that, and you're thinking, Okay,

771
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Speaker 1: get through this, picturing.

772
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 7: On the other side, victure on the other side.

773
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Speaker 11: I got through that, and shingles was on the other side.

774
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Speaker 11: And it was a perfect pattern from my spine under

775
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Speaker 11: my arm to my sternum.

776
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Speaker 1: Which people that are watching that have had family members

777
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Speaker 1: know anything about.

778
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Speaker 2: It is very, very painful.

779
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably weren't even prepared for that.

780
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Speaker 7: I wasn't prepared for it.

781
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Speaker 2: It was like, Man of God.

782
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Speaker 11: Yeah, every every thirty eight seconds, there was the pain

783
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 11: that would shoot to my brain, would almost knock me out,

784
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 11: and I'm thinking, wow, am I going to bear this

785
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 11: to do this? And so Father, I think that I'm healed,

786
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 11: and you talk about your grace being sufficient. I need

787
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 11: to know if it's sufficient for me. So Holy Spirit

788
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 11: showed me show I need to know this. If I'm

789
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 11: going to preach this, I need to know that it's

790
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 11: sufficient for me.

791
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 7: And it was. I mean to just look at the boils.

792
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh my, how was this going to go away?

793
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 11: And the pain and even it left some nerve damage

794
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 11: and I had to continue to believe.

795
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 7: And so we get through that.

796
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: So that was like a three months.

797
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 11: That was the most painful thing I've ever experienced before

798
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 11: in my life, to the point where I asked, are

799
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 11: we okay? You know, I'm moving from I am healed

800
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 11: to we are we okay? I'm moving from I am

801
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 11: healed to the temptation to say did I do anything wrong?

802
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 7: What am I doing? I am now questioning my identity.

803
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 11: It's the same thing when Jesus showed up in the wilderness.

804
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 11: He says, if you're the son of God, turned the

805
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 11: stone into bread, and Jesus like, wait a minute, I

806
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 11: know who I am. I'm not going to turn the

807
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 11: stone into bridge just to you know, prove something to you.

808
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 11: And I'm looking at this whole thing happening. And after

809
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 11: these shingles was up, I go to get a check

810
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 11: up and he says, the cancer's back. Now that was

811
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 11: my second bout with cancer. The cancer is back. And

812
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 11: it was.

813
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: Just like boom boom, like it was like and it

814
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: was personal.

815
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 7: It was very personal. I mean, this is your body, well,

816
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 7: this is my body. This is my my my husband.

817
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 11: To my wife, my father, to my children, my pastor,

818
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 11: to my church. This was Now I'm excited about seeing

819
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 11: heaven but not now. I'm saying, not now, And so

820
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 11: we started. Now this process was a little different because

821
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 11: I was trying to avoid the traditional approach of chemo

822
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 11: and radiation, so I.

823
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 7: Chose another approach.

824
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 11: But before I went to have the what I finally did,

825
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 11: I went through the treatments.

826
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 7: The numbers started changing. I was very hopeful.

827
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 11: Took a week off, and in one week it got

828
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 11: worse than it was, which it attacked my emotions. We

829
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 11: have emotions, and I had to grab my emotions because

830
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 11: I was like what And my youngest daughter was in

831
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 11: the room, and I got to tell you, as a man.

832
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 7: I broke down crying, like God, well, you know what

833
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 7: is this?

834
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 11: And I learned the importance of never leaving the wisdom

835
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 11: that you gathered through and through hard times. Don't ever

836
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 11: leave it in the wilderness. Bring that wisdom with you

837
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 11: because it's going to make you better. And like we

838
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 11: were talking about, we don't like to admit, but there's

839
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 11: maturity that happens in the midst of discomfort. And I

840
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 11: wanted to change my question from Lord hyme to Lord,

841
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 11: what do you want me to get out of this?

842
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 11: And so after that was over with, and that treatment

843
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 11: didn't work.

844
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 7: I was, I was. I was like, wow, I saw

845
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 7: that I am a human and that it was okay.

846
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: And Taffy, she really had a word for you that

847
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: you need to hear, your precious white Taffy.

848
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 7: Taffy was so strong through the whole thing.

849
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Speaker 11: She said, you didn't do anything wrong, because if the

850
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 11: temptation was let me evaluate to see what I did

851
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 11: wrong to deserve this. Yeah, she said, you didn't do

852
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 11: anything wrong.

853
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 7: And now you know what we got to do.

854
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 11: And what she was referring to was all right, let's

855
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 11: go and take this procedure, let's have this operation. It

856
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 11: does not say that your faith is weak and you

857
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 11: don't have faith. It just says that you need to

858
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 11: deal with this this way and continue to say I

859
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 11: am healed, yes, and so.

860
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: And you had to follow your peace.

861
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, my peace was leading me there because it was

862
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 11: a procedure that only three hundred and fifty people had

863
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 11: dealt with.

864
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 7: And I had an.

865
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 11: Old doctor seventy seventy years old who had you know,

866
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 11: he tells you I'm the best in the world. You

867
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 11: know that, don't you know? He probably is? And so

868
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 11: we went through that. The procedure lasted for four hours

869
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 11: and they had to stop in the middle of it

870
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 11: because my insides were wouldn't be still, so they had

871
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 11: to kind of pause and let that happen. And I

872
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 11: got through it, and now we're getting ready to recover.

873
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 11: And I heard it in my spirit, Okay, son, that's it,

874
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 11: and I knew I was going to get a time

875
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 11: of peace. And now I started gathering in the wisdom

876
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 11: from all of those places. And the first place I

877
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 11: gathered in wisdom was deliverance from approval.

878
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 7: That we cannot help God.

879
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 11: When we are addicted to approval and we ventually.

880
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: Especially Internet approval.

881
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, well you listen, the Internet is undefeated and you

882
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 11: don't need to.

883
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 7: Try to get approval from the Internet.

884
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Speaker 11: And then the second thing I saw was I was

885
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 11: more empathetic towards people. And when I would see people

886
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 11: in a certain way, I would ask, I wonder what

887
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 11: it took for them to get into that.

888
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 7: Place right there.

889
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 5: So that's a mind shift that you previously. I previously

890
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 5: held belief that God had to teach you through this

891
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 5: journey to teach you that.

892
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 11: Well, God didn't have to take me through that journey.

893
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 7: It was the journey I went.

894
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 11: Through that I I could gather the wisdom from that,

895
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 11: and I'm glad you asked that because sometimes people will

896
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 11: again want to make a new doctrine that says, you know,

897
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 11: you can't learn nothing until you go through something heavy.

898
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 11: But whatever you go through, take the wisdom from it,

899
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 11: because that's what life is. You're going to either do

900
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 11: life or it's going to do you.

901
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: Because God, you know it, is not the author of disease.

902
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 6: Right.

903
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: You know you said he's already completed the work, and

904
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: he's finished.

905
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that we won't be affected by

906
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: things right here on this earth. And when we are,

907
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: we carry Him on the inside of us through it.

908
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: And that whole thing you and I are talking about

909
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: that the faith message, if you will, so many times

910
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: has been misunderstood like almost like a faith in a

911
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: faith or or you just say it and you close

912
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: your eyes as to the reality of what's going on.

913
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: God never said to do that, and that's not real faith,

914
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: is it.

915
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 11: You know, life is a and we're hearing this life

916
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 11: and stuff happens in this life. But he's already finished it.

917
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 11: I mean, he's gone to the end. He knows what

918
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 11: it's gonna what it's like that's done. Yeah, it's done.

919
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: It's done.

920
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 11: Now you're gonna have to choose to live in the

921
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 11: realm of the finished or you're gonna have to choose

922
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 11: to live by the circumstances and emotions, negative emotions directing

923
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 11: you different ways.

924
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 7: The fear and the fear of.

925
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: It, I mean the fear twenty twenty twenty twenty one,

926
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: the fear.

927
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 11: Listen, when fear knocks on the door, the revelation of

928
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 11: who you are in Christ says, that's not me anymore.

929
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 11: As hard as it is, that's not me anymore. I

930
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 11: have the love and a sound mind.

931
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 7: That's not me. And it knocks again, that's not me anymore.

932
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 7: That was my journey. That's not me anymore.

933
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 11: It was almost as if the Satan said I'm gonna

934
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 11: wear you down, and I had to say out loud,

935
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 11: do you actually think that I'm making these declarations just

936
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 11: to see results?

937
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 7: I said, it's not just to see results.

938
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 11: I'm making these declarations because I believe it as and

939
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 11: something happened on the inside of me. It's that relationship

940
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 11: part versus the transaction part.

941
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 7: I have a relationship with God. He is good.

942
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 11: I don't have to be good in order to get

943
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 11: his goodness. He's already good. I'm gonna get his goodness.

944
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

945
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 7: I don't know when, but it's going to show up.

946
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

947
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 11: So we went through that, got out of that situation.

948
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 11: I preached New Year's Eve on the pool pit. I

949
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 11: was swallowed up by his jacket that I had, and

950
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 11: I shared the testimony with my church the first time

951
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 11: they it was tears all over the place, including four Oh.

952
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 11: I'd like to think everybody that was there.

953
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: That anybody like I mean spiritually, physically, emotionally.

954
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: When you have that kind of vulnerability.

955
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: As a man of God, to say, hey, this is

956
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: what I went through, and God was faithful and He's

957
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: going to be faithful for you.

958
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 11: Vulnerability could be the most powerful ministry tool for today.

959
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 11: Because we have been so afraid to be vulnerable. It's

960
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 11: hard for people to receive a lot of what you're

961
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 11: saying over a period of time. They hear it, they

962
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 11: hear it, they hear it, they hear it, and then

963
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 11: they go through and then they look at your perfect

964
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 11: self up there and you never have no issues up there,

965
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 11: and you ain't got no problem with your mate, with

966
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 11: your children. Your children are shining angels that are floating

967
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 11: around all the time, okay, and it's just really it

968
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 11: becomes a challenge.

969
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Service said perfect person that isn't perfect, isn't you know?

970
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm thinking that you're talking when your dad.

971
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: Went to be with Jesus.

972
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: And I remember I was out in the front yard

973
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: and he had been gone maybe like five or six months,

974
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: and we used to lay out on the front driveway

975
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: because the sun would set that way. I was just

976
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: laying out there and I was talking to the Lord

977
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, Lord, now, I'm not questioning you,

978
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: but I have a question.

979
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 2: But I'm not questioning you.

980
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like, I wonder, did you really

981
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: think about that?

982
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just kind of like, I'm talking to God.

983
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: This is the way we talked this.

984
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: He wants to have that kind of relationship with you,

985
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: by the way, and I remember he just said two

986
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: words to me, trust me. And then you know, you

987
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: can fast forward another six to nine months later. I'm

988
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: back on the driveway and God has opened some doors.

989
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: He actually has brought someone into my life.

990
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: And I'm laying there thanking him for all that he's done.

991
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: And it's almost like I hear him chuckle, and then

992
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: I started laughing. I was like, you knew all the

993
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: time because you see time past, present in future simultaneously,

994
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: and you knew what you were going to do, and

995
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: you just told me to trust you, and I did,

996
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: And look what you've done.

997
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 7: He's he knows your end. He does, and you don't.

998
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 11: And yeah, he can laugh because it's like if you

999
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 11: only knew what I knew, but you cast your care

1000
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 11: on him. Yeah, that means go to God and say.

1001
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 11: Casting your care means go to God and say I'm

1002
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 11: mad at you?

1003
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, or cry he can take it. Yeah, how do you?

1004
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: How do you trust God?

1005
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 6: When your heart is broken?

1006
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 11: You make it to trust God. This this gets into

1007
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 11: the labor part. Uh, we enter into that rest. It's finished,

1008
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 11: it's done, it's completed. It can't be undone.

1009
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: Without without unforgiveness and bitterness.

1010
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 11: But yeah, yeah, with foret the forgiveness you hold on

1011
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 11: turns into bitterness and it troubles you.

1012
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 7: It'll get you sick, it'll do some things.

1013
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 11: But when you trust God, you're saying, Lord, I rely

1014
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 11: on you.

1015
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 7: And what does labor look like? Father? I know that

1016
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 7: I'm right righteous?

1017
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 11: So Father, I declared that I'm the righteousness of God Father.

1018
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 11: I know that I'm redeemed. I'm going to sing a

1019
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 11: song of redemption, meditating in the word, singing your song,

1020
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 11: getting with your community, letting them build you up.

1021
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 7: What are you doing?

1022
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 11: The storm knocked your satellite dish offline. You're not picking

1023
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 11: up any of the channels, and you're saying, this is

1024
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 11: the matter of me just getting on the roof and adjusting.

1025
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 7: My satellite dish. I trust you, Lord, I rely on you.

1026
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 7: I align myself up again with what you have finished.

1027
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 7: Does it feel good all the time?

1028
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 11: No?

1029
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 7: Will it happen when I wanted to happen, No, probably not.

1030
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 7: It's a quality.

1031
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 11: Decision, and a decision is an open door to reality.

1032
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 7: It's a quality decision that.

1033
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 11: I'm going to trust God, come hill of high water.

1034
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 11: And my decision was, Lord, you've already.

1035
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 7: Done enough for me.

1036
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 11: If you don't do anything else, I'm going to still

1037
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 11: trust you, and I'm going to still love you. And

1038
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 11: if I have to die, trust in you.

1039
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 7: What a way to go.

1040
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 11: So now I've moved from transaction to relationship.

1041
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 7: And you know he good.

1042
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 11: You know he's good, So you know you can expect

1043
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 11: from His goodness to come into your life.

1044
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: Oh good, I.

1045
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 3: Appreciate you just being real. You know, I'm a pastor's kid.

1046
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: We're all from ministry. And I can think of the

1047
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 3: moment that my dad just cried out to God when

1048
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: my mom was diagnosed with the answer and he said, God,

1049
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: I need her, the church needs her, and the family

1050
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: needs her. And what we have to realize is our

1051
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: wilderness wisdom affects and impacts generations to come. And that

1052
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: moment in my life just changed me forever. And you

1053
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: can't talk me out of a miracle, but it was

1054
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: because they were real, and you know, we do have

1055
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: questions for God, but thank God, he has answers.

1056
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: And she was like fourth stage. She was hemetastasized to

1057
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: the liver and she came home, she did and chose

1058
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: to get up and make breakfast for April and pretend.

1059
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like it.

1060
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 6: Was, just she didn't deny it.

1061
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1062
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 3: I grew up in that moment where that faith movement,

1063
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: which is thank God for it, but it was a

1064
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: little bit out of balance this time. At times keep

1065
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: the switch of faith turned on. I thought, if I

1066
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 3: turn off the light faith was gone from our house.

1067
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know, and so you know they

1068
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: She didn't deny her sickness, but.

1069
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: She just trusted God.

1070
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1071
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 11: See, there's a difference between asking God a question and

1072
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 11: questioning exactly.

1073
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 2: Amen.

1074
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 11: Questioning is questioning in doubt, like, well, if you're so

1075
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 11: powerful God, then why did you let this happen exactly

1076
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 11: versus Mary asking a question how can this be?

1077
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 7: Seeing that I know not a man.

1078
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 11: God wants us to be intelligent and to use our

1079
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 11: mind and to think and ask him questions.

1080
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 7: I want to ask questions.

1081
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 11: I mean, well, God, if this is my faith, why

1082
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 11: am I calling it weak? And why am I saying

1083
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 11: I need to make it stronger? And why am I

1084
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 11: saying that that didn't happen because my faith.

1085
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 7: Is so weak?

1086
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 11: And he says, I'm glad you asked that question. I

1087
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 11: spend the next month.

1088
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 7: Looking at it and find out one faith his faith.

1089
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 11: His faith is done, it's complete, it's powerful. Now live

1090
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 11: in the realm of faith. It's his faith that he

1091
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 11: measured to us.

1092
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 7: And now we don't have our manufactured faith. We have

1093
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 7: his faith.

1094
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 11: And so we got to learn how to live in

1095
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 11: the realm of the done of the finished, of the

1096
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 11: completed that cannot be undone. And even in the midst

1097
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 11: of the stuff attacking us, I.

1098
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 7: Live in the realm of the finished. Brother, you want

1099
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 7: some of me bringing home?

1100
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: So I was going to say, I think, do you

1101
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 5: think God's okay with our doubts as long as we're

1102
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 5: bringing those to him and like having that relational.

1103
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 11: You remember the guy who said, Lord, I believe, but

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Speaker 11: helped my un belief.

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Speaker 7: There was no rebuke that far all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he.

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Speaker 7: Knows who we are.

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Speaker 1: He can deal with authenticity better. I mean, think about that.

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Speaker 1: He wants to.

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Speaker 2: Have that kind of relationship with our emotions.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, And what we have to deal with our

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Speaker 11: emotions sometimes we don't have them.

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Speaker 1: We have to recognize that He's given us emotions and

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Speaker 1: talk about it and not push those down or pretend

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Speaker 1: they're not there. That's one of the big issues I

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Speaker 1: think that happens in the faith movement.

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Speaker 11: If you will, we are, we have emotions. He just

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Speaker 11: wants to make sure that emotions don't have us. And

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Speaker 11: we're talking about negative emotions.

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Speaker 7: We don't want negative.

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Speaker 11: Emotions to have our lives because they will take you

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Speaker 11: somewhere emotions or feelings on the inside designed to move

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Speaker 11: you in a direction, and He gave those emotions to

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Speaker 11: us so we can enjoy life, enjoy his blessings, and

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Speaker 11: so forth and so on.

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Speaker 1: Well, your book, The Transformative Power of Grace, you touch

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Speaker 1: on a lot of this faith without fear, love without limits.

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Speaker 2: Who needs to read.

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Speaker 7: The book everybody.

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Speaker 2: That's what authors say to me. But it will help

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Speaker 2: understand kind of what we're talking about.

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Speaker 11: Right, Yeah, what we're talking about is first of all,

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Speaker 11: receiving this grace as a gift and seeing grace not

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Speaker 11: just this a principle or a curriculum, but Grace is

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Speaker 11: a person Jesus, full of grace and truth.

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Speaker 7: And you can tell.

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Speaker 11: People who have they have this relationship with Jesus where

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Speaker 11: peace stands out. I'm good, Yeah, I'm good. Whether you

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Speaker 11: like me or not, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I see the peace.

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Speaker 1: I told you that, I see it in your eyes,

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Speaker 1: I see it in your countenance. And you cannot manufacture

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Speaker 1: that kind of peace after you've gone through something like that.

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Speaker 2: So well, it has been amazing to have you at

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Speaker 2: the table, for you to share your story. We are

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Speaker 2: out of time, but I want you.

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Speaker 1: To remember You don't have to earn what Jesus already

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Speaker 1: gave us.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 7: Your love.

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Speaker 1: You're accepted, you're enough because of him, because of the

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Speaker 1: finished work of the Cross. So I want you to

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Speaker 1: receive God's grace. Step into that rest He's prepared for you.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know Jesus, you know some of you.

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Speaker 1: You've sat here and you have listened. You don't even

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Speaker 1: know why you stopped and listened, But just like something

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Speaker 1: got hold of you. It's like the Lord is just

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Speaker 1: wooing you and opening your heart to something, maybe that

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Speaker 1: you don't understand, but that you need.

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Speaker 2: And that's Jesus.

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Speaker 1: And all you have to do is just call out

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Speaker 1: on his name and say, Jesus, I don't understand about

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Speaker 1: all these people, but if you're real, reveal yourself to me.

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Speaker 1: The onus is not on me to prove who he is.

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Speaker 1: He can prove who he is. You pray a sincere prayer.

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Speaker 1: He will reveal himself. Do you have seen him do

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Speaker 1: it time and time again. He loves you so much.

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Speaker 1: Just ask him to come into your heart right now.

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Speaker 1: There's also a prayer line number on the screen. If

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Speaker 1: you don't know how to pray. We have prayer partners

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Speaker 1: that will pray with you. We would love to pray

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Speaker 1: with you. Or if you are dealing with some kind

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Speaker 1: of sickness in your body, because we talked about that today,

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Speaker 1: I want you to call.

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Speaker 2: We want to pray with you as well.

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Speaker 1: The same God that touched Kreflo, that led him, that

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Speaker 1: gave him peace, owed him a path to follow, he

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Speaker 1: can do the same thing for you. The Bible says

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Speaker 1: He's no respector of persons. He loves you today. Well,

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank Pastor Kreflow for joining us.

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Speaker 1: To get a copy of his book and know more

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Speaker 1: about his ministry, visit Worldchangers dot org and as always,

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Speaker 1: make sure to follow.

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much for watching, especially those of

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Speaker 1: you that watch for the first time. I just pray

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Speaker 1: that this has blessed you, encouraged you, and you're sitting there,

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Speaker 1: there's just like something in the room.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: That's the beautiful presence of God that's there with you,

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Speaker 1: just letting you know that He loves you. He has

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Speaker 1: a plan for your life. He has a purpose for

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Speaker 1: you to fulfill. So you believe that, receive it right

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Speaker 1: now in Jesus' name. Thank you, Kreflow.

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Speaker 2: We love you.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Well see you next time. By bye for today.