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Speaker 1: Love, Love, love, No. Welcome to the naughty but nice.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host. Stop shooter. It's Thursday, which means our

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Speaker 1: dear friend Mark Lupo joins us. Hey Lupy, are you there?

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Speaker 2: Loopy louis here?

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Speaker 1: Hey rom I love that name. Hey Lupy, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I look forward to our Thursdays. I look forward to

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Speaker 1: my gossip. If I look forward to catching up, I

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Speaker 1: look forward to you, my friend too.

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Speaker 2: This has been my life for the past six years,

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Speaker 2: and it's so much fun. I love doing it.

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Speaker 1: Being six six ye we were a bit rough when

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Speaker 1: we started. Mark were good, we got We got pretty

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Speaker 1: good at this.

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Speaker 2: We did we did.

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Speaker 1: When we start. It's a lesson to everybody, though, don't

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Speaker 1: let your fear stop you from doing something you want

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Speaker 1: to do, because you will get better at it. Allegedly,

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Speaker 1: if you go to the every day, I would not know,

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Speaker 1: but if you go to the gym every day, after

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Speaker 1: six months, you will look pretty good. Like if you

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Speaker 1: do something every day. I've learned that lesson. I have

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Speaker 1: no patience. I wish I had more patients. I want

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Speaker 1: to go from zero to one hundred and a week,

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Speaker 1: and that just doesn't happen. And when I think about

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Speaker 1: some of the biggest stars I worked with, whether it

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Speaker 1: be Alicia Keys or Jennifer Lopez or John bon Jovi,

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Speaker 1: they started small. Alicia Keys started in little dive bars

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Speaker 1: bars mark that even you and I would not go

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Speaker 1: Could like you have to start small. Taylor Swift once

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Speaker 1: played a concert to three People. That's all that turned up.

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Speaker 1: She was in Nashville one of her very first shows,

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Speaker 1: three People. It's amazing that if you do stick with it,

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Speaker 1: good stuff will happen. I have real, real admiration mark

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Speaker 1: for people that stand in the rain. That's what I

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Speaker 1: call it. You've got to just stand in the rain

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Speaker 1: and the rain comes down and it literally so sh wet,

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Speaker 1: and you want to give up, and you want to

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Speaker 1: go home, and you lose you lose faith. You just

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to happen. Our podcast nearly got

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Speaker 1: canceled after the first six months. It was not doing

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Speaker 1: tap dance to keep it alive. And now we're one

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Speaker 1: of the most successful podcasts they have on the entertainment charts.

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Speaker 1: So stick with it, naughty's if you're thinking of giving up,

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Speaker 1: stick with it. Okay, let's jump into our show. I

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Speaker 1: feel like we did a moment of rub right at

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Speaker 1: what time is it, my friends? It is tea time.

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Speaker 1: This story mark. We've been texting each other about this.

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively and Taylor Swift did addressed that their friendship

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Speaker 1: had shifted in private text. So what's going on is

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Speaker 1: the legal battle with Justin Baldoni has now become just

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Speaker 1: to tell all in celebrities and we are seeing, we

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Speaker 1: are reading private emails, private texts. They're all being released

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Speaker 1: in new court documents. We're not acting anyone's bones. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's be clear here that everybody had to turn over

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Speaker 1: all their text all their emails. Well now they are

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Speaker 1: So Blake Lively admitted to Taylor on December fourth, twoy

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Speaker 1: everything was good. Well, Taylor responded, but she had no

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Speaker 1: noticed a little bit of a shift mark in Blake's

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Speaker 1: out like a friend. Lively went on to admit she

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Speaker 1: called Justin Bell Dooney a little bit sh It's such

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Speaker 1: a revelation. I feel almost bad for everybody here because

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Speaker 1: We're i naughty, but we're nice, but were good. I'm

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Speaker 1: proud of who we are as people. I won't have

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Speaker 1: bad friends in my life. However, if somebody just read

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Speaker 1: But if we had to hand over our text messages, Mark,

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Speaker 2: what's so interesting about these text is because this was

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Speaker 2: because sometimes I do enjoy some drama. But then you

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. So we're seeing the build up because they

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Speaker 1: it starts slow. Everything starts slow. We were just saying

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Speaker 1: this start to turn. I think about it in my

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Speaker 1: always starts slow. It starts with a whisper to plug

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Speaker 1: It feels here as if Blake knew it. You know it.

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Speaker 1: You know when you've upset a friend, you know when

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Speaker 1: just don't know if all this has been worth it.

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Speaker 1: They're going to trial soon, Mark, in a few months,

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Speaker 1: that's what this trial is at. And now all this

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Speaker 1: that we think of good people be a little bit bitchy.

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Speaker 1: We all can be back there. You can still be

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Speaker 1: mean text does not make you a mean person. Although

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Speaker 1: I do think about this, Mark, I think about now.

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Speaker 1: I had to do some comment calls for some stories

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Speaker 1: I sort of like, think about it? Do you think

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Speaker 2: I mean only recently did I hear someone say when

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Speaker 2: I have years and years and years of things and

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Speaker 1: That's right. Although I do think social media has changed

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Speaker 1: media that they'd never say. They'd never say that, and

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Speaker 1: the kid that you were letting me interview today, which

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Speaker 1: brings us to our pole question of the day. Blake

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Speaker 1: Lively and Taylor Swift did address that their friendship was

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Speaker 1: shift was changing in private text messages. Can you can

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Speaker 1: you get enough? That's a bad way to phrase this.

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Speaker 1: Let me phrase this better. Are you loving this? Are

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Speaker 1: you just living for these text messages? Yes? Or no? Hey?

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Speaker 1: hear your results, Helpe, what are you working on?

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Speaker 2: Speaking of friendship transitions, this is a really good one.

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Speaker 2: Karamo Brown has been caught in a Queer Eye hot

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Speaker 2: mic feud drama. Okay, so Karma Brown is feuding with

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Speaker 2: three of his Queer Eye co stars after a heart

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Speaker 2: mic moment went terribly wrong. Our sources say Anthony Prowski,

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Speaker 2: Tan France and Jonathan then asked for card trash talking

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Speaker 2: Caromeo on the set in DC and Rob. The worst

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Speaker 1: Oh no, if your mommy, Doris is listening, turn away, Doris.

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Speaker 1: This is an awful thought.

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Speaker 2: Awful. So the gossip, of course, sparked an instant rift,

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Speaker 2: and Coromo has cut tires with Anthony, Tan and Jonathan,

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Speaker 2: then the tensions went poplic Tuesday when Coromo skipped the

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Speaker 2: CBS Morning Express duties, citing mental and emotional abuse and

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Speaker 1: Thoughts here, Thoughts here, and I might be a little

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Speaker 1: bit controversial. I think as a professional, you're turn up

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Speaker 1: and you do the show, you do the appearance. I've

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Speaker 1: been on TV shows with people that I don't really like,

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Speaker 1: some of which I could argue have bullied me. You're

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Speaker 1: turn up and you do the job. You had agreed

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Speaker 1: to this booking. It wasn't like you just woke up

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Speaker 1: gotta go on CBS. No, that didn't happen. It'd been

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Speaker 1: And so I just feel here as if Caromo. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to take away from the trauma and being triggered.

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Speaker 1: But Karama made this about himself, and now instead of

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Speaker 1: so he played along. We'll all do pressed together. It'll

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Speaker 1: all be fine. You know. We've interviewed celebrities mark that

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Speaker 1: don't like each other, but they're in the same movie

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Speaker 1: That is what being a professional is how many times

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Speaker 1: have you had to show up at Workmark, when someone's

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Speaker 1: upset you or someone's bullied you. I was bullied for

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