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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together everything, So don't don't let's go so Fee

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Speaker 1: and everybody else we are the podcast started. That's how

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Speaker 1: we started, Yes it is. I was pumping up so

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Speaker 1: Fie day started off the goal. It was so cool,

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Speaker 1: it was exciting work. Yeah, everybody else missed it, but

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Speaker 1: that was that was That was it. We're back. That's

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm feeling in an endorphin rush from

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Speaker 1: that high energy salutation. And I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: can tell, hey, there it is. Although sorry to say, uh,

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Speaker 1: the energy it's all downhill from here. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I, I, for one, feel nothing but the fine

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Speaker 1: flavor of cherry cola Zevia is that good. It's delightful.

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Speaker 1: It is not a sponsor. I bring this up because

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Speaker 1: we on a recent episode referenced zvia repeatedly because I

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Speaker 1: had just spilled one on my laptop and temporarily destroyed it.

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Speaker 1: It's better now, but I completely fucked it up and

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Speaker 1: thought it was broken forever that day, and someone on

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Speaker 1: so I'm going to push back and say, I guess

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Speaker 1: it completely, Well, it had been at the time completely

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't turn on so it was at the time,

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Speaker 1: as far as I knew, completely fucked up. It's since

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Speaker 1: gotten better. Um. But someone got on Reddit and was like, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is clearly like a really poorly disguised advertisement for

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Speaker 1: the company, And it was like, I don't Maybe if

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Speaker 1: I was going to do for one thing, I would

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Speaker 1: happily take their money because I drink like twenty of

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Speaker 1: samples that they would send. Yeah, I would absolutely take

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Speaker 1: their money. But it's it's funny to me that they

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Speaker 1: thought that, like I would choose as a method of

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Speaker 1: guerilla advertising to talk about how the product destroyed my computer.

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Speaker 1: It's effective, Zevia, it'll really funk up a laptop. Do

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Speaker 1: you need to have a computer? Any beverage with the laptop?

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Speaker 1: It's not Zvia specific. Look, I've never tried it. Stolen

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Speaker 1: val Now mentioned it several times. I'm ready to try it. Zvia.

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Speaker 1: It tastes like a diet beverage with slightly less poison.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. I'm not partial to diet beverages. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I drink them because they washed down um the creatum.

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Speaker 1: That is the only thing that keeps me functioning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go. So that's my that's my advertisement for

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Speaker 1: Zeviastance Dependency. Do a collab with Zevia and it'll be

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Speaker 1: the Zevia with great um flavor. This podcast is bought

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Zevia and the concept of being

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Speaker 1: addicted to an unregulated pain killer. So we it's great. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's fun. It's great. UM. We've really uh flushed out

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Speaker 1: this topic on our news show and now we're done.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We haven't even talked about who's going first?

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Speaker 1: What we want to talk about first? What's in the

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Speaker 1: news everybody, how's your year going? There are things things

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Speaker 1: are good for everybody from across the board. Remember our

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Speaker 1: friend Matt gets is um is having a great time. Um.

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Speaker 1: He seems to be very happy. Other feels like it's

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Speaker 1: good place to start, a good gates to start. Katie,

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Speaker 1: Oh there it is. Everybody's on fire today real quick.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, yesterday I found myself shaking

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Speaker 1: my head and muttering this fucking year man, and then

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Speaker 1: I stopped and I was like, m this fucking year

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's bigger than that, And I think that's

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Speaker 1: what we're trying to convey here at worst year ever. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're We're in an endless spiral that has less to

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Speaker 1: interlocking series of systems that govern our lives and are

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Speaker 1: continually accelerating all of us towards an uncertain and likely

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Speaker 1: that's like an entire paragraph. Figure something else out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we did. We did. But let's gates to the

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Speaker 1: Let's do ith that gate. Oh god, so tall hair

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Speaker 1: Gate a disaster. His face is a disaster. Everything about

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Speaker 1: him is a disaster. The personality. I didn't realize he

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Speaker 1: was a friend of Katie Hills. Yeah. Um, he defended

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Speaker 1: about these allegations. They all pretty much all of this

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Speaker 1: He like ran under a hard maga ticket. Uh. He

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Speaker 1: tax man, you know, yeah, flashing his He definitely flashed

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Speaker 1: his badge. He Um. He tried to start He started

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Speaker 1: month in year that Joe Greenberg is being charged with

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Speaker 1: I want to be exact in the amount of money

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Speaker 1: been in the news a lot lately, or at least

427
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Speaker 1: it's been in the Zeitgeiston on Twitter, you know, people

428
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Speaker 1: arguing about it. And you know, it's pretty easy for

429
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Speaker 1: us to knee jerk disagree with conservatives these days. I

430
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: think collectively, we it's fun to dunk Ondoctor Drew when

431
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: he tweets about not wanting to need a vaccination in

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Speaker 1: order to fly, and remind him that, yeah, actually a

433
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: lot of countries do require vaccinations before you enter. You know,

434
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: it's not a new concept. So that's fun. But but

435
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: it's not to say that people pushing back against vaccine

436
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: passports are wrong. It's a complicated conversation. Um. You know,

437
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Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people probably do

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00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: agree that proof of vaccination is good at least for

439
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: like international travel, you know, going other places. Again, this

440
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: is not something new, Um, and like and yeah, they're

441
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: they're The argument being that, you know, people would need

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Speaker 1: to show um proof of vaccination before entering certain establishments

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Speaker 1: and businesses. Uh, you know, and and would say that

444
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: this would be very helpful in stopping the spread and

445
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: also encouraging people to get vaccinated. But it raises a

446
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: lot of very important ethical questions that aren't exactly they

447
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: aren't easy to answer. You know. For one, in general,

448
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: vaccinations UM and vaccines at this point are going overwhelmingly

449
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: to rich countries, and even within those countries, um uh

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00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: to privilege racial groups within them. UM, So granting rights

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00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: to people that are vaccinating vaccinated while also keeping other

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Speaker 1: groups restricted, you know, is dangerous. It widens the social

453
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: gap um. And then specifically here in America, both culturally

454
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: and politically, you can't just force somebody to get vaccinated,

455
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: you know. Individual liberty is kind of our thing, um

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Speaker 1: you know, and so like if that's true, which it is, Uh,

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Speaker 1: can a business discriminate against a person who chooses not

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Speaker 1: to be vaccinated? Can an employer tell an employee that

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Speaker 1: they can't work till they're vaccinated? Is that that's not

460
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's not legal? Yeah, I the only thing

461
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: that like, there's a couple of things that concern mean.

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Speaker 1: One of them is I'm not concerned with saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: people from rich countries, if you're gonna go vacation in

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Speaker 1: a poorer part of the world, you need to be

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Speaker 1: vaccinated and we won't let you go. Uh. I am

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Speaker 1: concerned about it kind of working in the other way

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Speaker 1: in part because that's like there's been a as you stated,

468
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Speaker 1: where vaccines go has been heavily dependent upon like wealth.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just not super cool with the idea of

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Speaker 1: restricting poor people from traveling but letting rich people go

471
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Speaker 1: to their countries to get drunk on the beach. That

472
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: doesn't seem rad and and I'm I'm I'm also concerned

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Speaker 1: about having the passports be something domestically um, because I

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00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: don't like the idea of having any kind of domestic

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Speaker 1: passport that determines when and where you can go into

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Speaker 1: a business. UM. I feel like, yeah, anyway, that's that.

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Speaker 1: It's hard because you want to get people back, You

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Speaker 1: want businesses and economy to to get you know, you,

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Speaker 1: you want things to get back on track at some point,

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Speaker 1: and it's hard at this stage when we're a country

481
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Speaker 1: that's so divided. And yes, vaccinations are up, but you

482
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Speaker 1: know they use this as a thing like get your

483
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Speaker 1: vaccination and then everything can go back to normal. But again,

484
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Speaker 1: you just can't. Can't do it. Not everyone. Yeah, I'm

485
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Speaker 1: going to get it, and like yeah, if you're a restaurant,

486
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Speaker 1: but also yeah, if you like on a restaurant or

487
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Speaker 1: something like, I want my entire staff to be vaccinated. Um,

488
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Speaker 1: can you not do that? This would be a lot

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Speaker 1: easier morally if we had some sort of a basic

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Speaker 1: income UM. Yeah. Although that said, there is right right now,

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Speaker 1: we're in a situation where an awful lot of of

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Speaker 1: businesses are UM like, particularly service businesses aren't able to

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Speaker 1: hire enough employees because the unemployment benefits are decent enough

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Speaker 1: and people don't want to risk their lives working at

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Speaker 1: the sparrow during a pandemic UM specifically speak Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. And one other thing I wanted to mention,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's your that's a good point, Robert Um.

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Speaker 1: But one other thing I wanted to mention about packs

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Speaker 1: passports is um access question that it raises. So the

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Speaker 1: easiest way to carry a vaccination passport would be on

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Speaker 1: your smartphone, but of course not everybody has access to that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And yes, physical cards are an option, but those are

503
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Speaker 1: very easy to lose, etcetera. So so what is that?

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Speaker 1: What what does this create? You know, people with more

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00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: access are more likely to be able to keep and

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Speaker 1: carry one of these things. Yeah. Like also like how

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Speaker 1: much information do you like that? Do you How much

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00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: identifying information do you want on your smartphone? Uh? And uh,

509
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 1: you know your your health trackable? Do you want all?

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00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: But another thing? Yes? Yeah? Um uh. What's frustrating about

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Speaker 1: the conversation though, a little bit although not surprising, is

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Speaker 1: that at this point anyway, Biden isn't actually calling for

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Speaker 1: a federal vaccination passport as far as I can tell anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they're being sneaky about it in political

515
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Speaker 1: but I don't think that that's a good politics for them,

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Speaker 1: you know. And Jen passing pas sorry Jen sacky? Is that?

517
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Speaker 1: How am I pronouncing it right? Zack? Uh? You know,

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Speaker 1: she said there will not be a centralized federal database

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Speaker 1: showing who in the country has received vaccinations, and there

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00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: are no plans for any federal mandate that all citizens

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Speaker 1: have a vaccination credential. Um. And so it's interesting but

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Speaker 1: not surprising is that this is all being framed as

523
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: Democrats and big brother where as what's actually happening right

524
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: now is that the Biden team is, you know, speaking

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Speaker 1: with different industries and talking about how they would work

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00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: within those realms, which maybe we shouldn't be entertaining. I

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Speaker 1: I don't know that's the moral question, but I do

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Speaker 1: understand and that in facility like gyms and different facilities

529
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: where that it it has to at least be talked

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Speaker 1: about how we are proceeding from this point forward. Um.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, yeah, like Jim's you know,

532
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: Jim's have been open. There have been gym's open without

533
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: the vaccine um and uh, you know whether it's like okay,

534
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: well you can't like require poping at the vaccine, so

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00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: do the safety measures still? Things like that, like what

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00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? It's not because it's not like

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00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: you said, like, it's not they're not saying they're gonna

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00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: do it. It's a conversations being had, and not just

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Speaker 1: because like the Biden is going out to these like industries,

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00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: because it's the logical conversation you would have in every

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00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: country in the world is having, right, Maybe not every

542
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: country about most countries and maybe like you know, it's

543
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna be a quick conversation and people will land on like, well, no,

544
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. Um. But the fact

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00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: that the conversation is being had now, I think it's

546
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: like generally it was good too. But the but the

547
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: rhetoric of this is Democrats wanting to have control over

548
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: all of Oh yes, the communist the communist Democrats. But

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00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating to see because that's not the conversation,

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00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: that's not actually what's happening. And it also kind of

551
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: undermines what we're doing right now. It clouds the conversation.

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00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: It adds more fuel to this you know, rhetoric and

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00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: continues to polarize the country about vaccinations and science and

554
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: um and and just how we get out of this, uh,

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00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: which which is why I wanted a part of the

556
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: why I wanted to bring it up, because it's just

557
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: we're not going to solve it here. But it's frustrating,

558
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: and it's frustrating in like it's the it's an extension

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00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: of you know what a year a year ago, UH,

560
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: former president current loser Trump UH decided to make masks

561
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Speaker 1: mask wearing political you made, you maded a culture war issue,

562
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: and then here we are. Um, and that has extended

563
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: now to the vaccine and all the all the stuff

564
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: we're talking about, um to the point where you get

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00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: people like, well, now, like I've seen people compare like

566
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: the idea of this vaccine passport to the Holocaust. Oh yeah,

567
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: that was God made Marjorie Taylor Green. It's actually disgusting

568
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: what she said. I'm sure all of the people doing

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Speaker 1: that have opinions about the Holocaust that are, shall we say,

570
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: a historical Yeah, Marjorie Taylor Green called it called the

571
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Speaker 1: passport idea quote Biden's mark of the Beast. Uh, and

572
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: and other conservative activists are comparing it. Yeah, yeah, And

573
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: like it's just this extension of like, yeah, it's very frustrating. Um,

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00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: it's just what happens with everything now, Like it's what

575
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: happens with absolutely everything. Now. If there were like massive

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Speaker 1: unprecedented flooding that let's say a hundred million Americans were

577
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: for set of their homes and Joe Biden advised people

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Speaker 1: to use like inflatable rafts to escape the flooding, it

579
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: would drowning would become a culture war issue. Absolutely, Yeah, Yeah,

580
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 1: to be posting like I'm gonna burn my raft watch

581
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: my video. I'm no longer buying these rafts from this company. Yeah,

582
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: your little fucking coward boats man. I struggle against the

583
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: tide until I drown. Commies invented rafts, and I will

584
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: have nothing to do. That would be Ted Cruise's last tweet.

585
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, yeah, exactly, Yeah, God, I should we shouldn't

586
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: talk about things that are that optimistic. Um. Yeah, you know,

587
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: it's a bummer. Everything's frustrate. It's one of those things

588
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Katie, like going going, getting back on track,

589
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: going back to the way things were. Um. I think

590
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: one of the things that's a bummer is that I

591
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: think the things will get back to There will be

592
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Speaker 1: some positives, will be able to go to concerts again.

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00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: We will to go to festivals again. That's gonna be nice,

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00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: being able to just I think we're all looking forward

595
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: to just sitting down in a goddamn bar. Um. That

596
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: will be nice. Um. But the stuff that's worst, that

597
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: has continued to be bad during the pandemic, never got

598
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: off track, this like a constantly accelerating culture war. And

599
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: the stuff that's good, for example, um, low income workers

600
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: in the service industry being able to just not work

601
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: because the unemployment benefits are are good enough, uh, and

602
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: actually being able to exert some some influence and force

603
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: against their employers. That's going to go away, like fucking that.

604
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: And that's a bummer because it's rad um and I

605
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: don't like. I wasn't happy with the way things were

606
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: before the pandemic. Um not super happy with the pandemic either,

607
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: mind you, But um, I don't know. No, you're right,

608
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: getting get back to normal. It's it's it's irresponsible to

609
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: say we're trying to get back on track without also

610
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: acknowledging that, yeah, from the tracks are rusty and broken,

611
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: the trains keep going off and start your brush fire.

612
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: If you're on a train that's going over a giant

613
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: poop swamp and its destination is an enormous pile of poop,

614
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: you would prefer to be on the train, then off

615
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: of the tracks in the poop swamp. But also the train,

616
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: like the train reaching its destination, isn't going to solve

617
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: your problems. Either way, You're gonna wind up covered in

618
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: ship statistics questions that I can never get right. The

619
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: answer is to fire bomb the poop swamp from the sky.

620
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, well I poop burns pretty well. Next

621
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: stop rubble, next stop rubble, which solves all. Okay, so

622
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: maybe there's I don't have any solutions, um there are none.

623
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. I mean fight for expanded benefits that are

624
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: just a thing everyone gets, so that workers can continue

625
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: to exercise more agency, right like I learned the lessons

626
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: from the pandemic, and also and like work for a

627
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: world like world where like if it happens again, uh,

628
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: it won't be that situation. We will have stronger I

629
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: mean hopefully some things and some things that I'm hopeful stick.

630
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's lots of stuff um in the pipeline,

631
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: like you know, hr one, we talked about that on

632
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: even More News last week, and some great things in there.

633
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: This isn't talking about workers rights right now, but or

634
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: in um uh the last COVID relief bill, how direct

635
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: payments to families with children I have an authorized for

636
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: a year, but they plan on making that a permanent

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Speaker 1: legislation or pushing for it. And you know, as we've

638
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Speaker 1: talked about on these shows a lot, once you establish something,

639
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Speaker 1: it's really hard to walk it back when people get

640
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Speaker 1: used to it. I'm hopeful that there are some things

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Speaker 1: and perhaps yeah, maybe some expansion of of unemployment benefits.

642
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Speaker 1: But when you talk about this in conjunction with vaccine

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Speaker 1: fast forwards like we just did, and you know that

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Speaker 1: workers rightfully don't want to go back to less money

645
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Speaker 1: for dangerous situations, it's hard to imagine that that won't

646
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Speaker 1: be fought against by lawmakers anyway. Yeah, and it's attempt

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Speaker 1: to inject something positive. Yeah, they're getting back to work

648
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Speaker 1: on the wall, yeah exactly, Like yeah, I gotta fill

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Speaker 1: in those gaps. Um, we gotta build back better, build

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Speaker 1: the wall back better. Exactly. Um, that's fun for them, um.

651
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Speaker 1: And like it's just yeah, it's a So many of

652
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Speaker 1: these things are so hard to remove from, like the

653
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Speaker 1: toxic culture war stuff, that it's hard to even say,

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Speaker 1: like what will happen because oh, yeah, you just don't know.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah. Like for like uh, for example, like Katie

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Speaker 1: mentioned the the HR one, and in response to that,

657
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: you have Georgia uh and their election law. Um, And

658
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Speaker 1: then you have companies responding to that, and then congress

659
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Speaker 1: people responding to the companies for being too woke and

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Speaker 1: do and like threatening like good legislation. Uh, simply because

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Speaker 1: of like a woke company. Um. And it's just yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you know, that's really interesting and I

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Speaker 1: think we should dig into it right after we take

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Speaker 1: a quick ad break, because Sophie just tested and said

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Speaker 1: ad break, so I am break. Also, if I'm being honest,

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Speaker 1: between you, my four four close friends, and the thousands

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Speaker 1: of people listening, I have to pee, so I would

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Speaker 1: like to take the ad break. It's time together everything. Hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: now we're back. Yeah, welcome back to the big, exciting,

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Speaker 1: high energy cheers for Sophie specifically, Wait, are we going

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Speaker 1: to do the T three structure out segment? Oh cool,

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Speaker 1: it's that's that. We're just gonna repeat that over and

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Speaker 1: over and over time seven minutes. I wait, are we

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Speaker 1: talking about baseball? Because I will tell yeah, yeah, we're talking.

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Speaker 1: I do not consent. We're talking about baseball and soda

676
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: and soda pop and you love soda pop. Robert. We

677
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Speaker 1: just went into detail about your love of Zia. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was satisfied. It's a really good sound, all right,

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Speaker 1: Dr Pepper, but not all that much take us away

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Speaker 1: on baseball, and we're also talking about weakens. Um. Yeah,

681
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Speaker 1: so as I'm sure everybody knows and we have alluded

682
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Speaker 1: to and talked about before, Georgia has a bill about

683
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Speaker 1: election laws that is not so great for access to voting. UM.

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Speaker 1: It is being framed as sort of like really like

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Speaker 1: enforcing like election integrity. UM, but it makes voting harder

686
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Speaker 1: in in several ways. We have an episode on even

687
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Speaker 1: More News that delves deep into this. UM. Yeah, we

688
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: talked with the guys over End Goal over at five

689
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Food Cast, which is an awesome podcast that breaks down

690
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: Supreme Court decisions and UM, and they're they're fun and funny. Anyway,

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00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: check that out. We we talked about voting rights. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: check it out. UM and uh. In response to this UM,

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Speaker 1: some companies have made either statements or moves, much like

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Speaker 1: many companies do when they feel something is politically safe

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Speaker 1: or could possibly benefit them monetarily. UM. Like companies do. UM,

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Speaker 1: they don't mean it. They're not like they don't actually

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Speaker 1: care about people, they care about their products. Yeah. It's

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Speaker 1: not like Locas Coca Cola. It's just like, yeah, Coca

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Speaker 1: Cola is like, oh, we'll do We'll do this because

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Speaker 1: that's uh where the wind is blowing. Um that's how

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Speaker 1: it happens. Um, it's why it happens. Also, today Coca

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Speaker 1: Cola stock outperformed the market had a strong trading day

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Speaker 1: on an otherwise poor trading day. Um, so it worked.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations Coca Cola. Despite all these people, what did Coca

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Speaker 1: Cola do too boycott this or to push back on this? Um?

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Speaker 1: I think they just said it was bad. That's bad.

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Speaker 1: It's not like LB actually like did a thing. But

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Speaker 1: Coca Cola was just like, we don't like this bill,

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Speaker 1: and everyone went fucking crazy. Exactly those foolish bucks. We

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Speaker 1: all know Coca Cola is superior to PEPSI fight me

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Speaker 1: on it being accurate, but Dr Pepper is the superior beverage.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Zevia, splash it up if you're a fan. Um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, the CEO of uh that's good? Is that

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Speaker 1: your what numbers that for you? Today? You don't like

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Speaker 1: this is just two for the day, just thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: You're full of ship. I know, but I just I

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Speaker 1: woke up. I woke up at eleven thirty. I drank

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Speaker 1: two pots of coffee, and then I had my first

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Speaker 1: Zevia when we got on the phone, and my second

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Speaker 1: thank you very much via Shaman. I'm not a lot

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Speaker 1: of other things he drinks. But he just smiled and

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Speaker 1: looked down because he knew he was lying. He's totally

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Speaker 1: at more than I am not. These are the only

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Speaker 1: two for today yet so far, I'll drink like six

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Speaker 1: to nine more. Yeah, eventually a very long tangent. Well,

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Speaker 1: so the CEO of Coca Cola said, let me be

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Speaker 1: crystal clear and on equivocal, this legislation is unacceptable exactly.

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Speaker 1: It is a step backward and it does not promote

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Speaker 1: principles we have stood for in Georgia around broad access

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Speaker 1: to voting, around voter convenience, about ensuring election integrity, and

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Speaker 1: is frankly just to step backwards. And then then then

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Speaker 1: they canceled the Coca Cola. Uh. Many Republicans came out

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Speaker 1: in uh rage, outrage, one might say, uh, maybe one

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Speaker 1: could even refer to them as being triggered by this

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Speaker 1: UM but yeah, no, it's just a statement. It's not

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Speaker 1: like the Major League Baseball moved the All our Game

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Speaker 1: from Georgia to Colorado, UM, and that also got them canceled,

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Speaker 1: UMU or boycotted, whichever side of the issue you're on. Really,

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Speaker 1: it really depends, doesn't it, Because cancel culture is a

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Speaker 1: meaningless phrase um that has actually always existed. It is

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00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: an evaluation of a society's values um and uh acceptance

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Speaker 1: of those values and enforcement of them via these But

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Speaker 1: like a boycott, that's what that's what it is. These

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00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: companies are reading the winds, guys, they're not. That is

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00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: literally what it is. So maybe you should too. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Well so yeah, so here's the thing, um,

747
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: when this happened, all these fucking centers like Ted Cruz

748
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Speaker 1: is now trying to work to end MLB's uh antitrust immunity.

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Speaker 1: But like it's all based off of this like framing

750
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: of it's because their woke Josh Holly, the woke capitalists

751
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: continue their campaign and retaliation. They shouldn't have this, and

752
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: it's just like this bizarre framing of like, well, if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're a corporate woke company, then we're gonna

754
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: go after you. If you're not, then I guess we won't.

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00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: And it's okay, it's it's their relationship with these companies.

756
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: And now they're saying like, well, Colorado has laws that

757
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: are very similar to the ones Georgia past and that's

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00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: not true either. UM. Colorado has had absentee voting for

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00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: quite a long time. Most people vote by mail. Like

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00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: people vote by mail, Um, it makes it easier to

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Speaker 1: vote in Colorado. It does not do that in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of piece out there you can find.

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Speaker 1: Delve into it from election experts. UM, it's just another side.

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Speaker 1: They got tired of talking about Dr Seuss. So here

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Speaker 1: we are, UM, and they're framing it like they're like

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00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: these anti corporate populists or whatever. UM. And that couldn't

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Speaker 1: be farther from the truth. Literally, McConnell came out today,

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Speaker 1: UH against these these woke corporations parts of the private

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Speaker 1: sector keep dabbling and behaving like a woke parallel government.

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Speaker 1: Corporations will invite serious consequences if they become a vehicle

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Speaker 1: for far left mobs to hijack our country from outside

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Speaker 1: the constitutional order. So if you're a company that does

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Speaker 1: things that they don't like, they will go after you,

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Speaker 1: is what he basically said. Better he confirmed for reasons,

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Speaker 1: it's very different from cancer culture. For reasons, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: one little extra bit from McConnell. This quote about uh

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Speaker 1: MLB coke and Delta, who all did different kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: Coke just made a fucking statement. Um my warning to

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Speaker 1: corporate America is to stay out of politics. He added,

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about political contributions. Of course he's not.

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Speaker 1: He's not. That's what an absolute laying it all out there,

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00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: just laying it all out that's the that's the deal.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're doing. They're full of ship completely, nothing matters.

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Speaker 1: You're a person, you're if you're a company or a person.

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00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: If you give the money, but if you've have a

786
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Speaker 1: statement from your CEO about a law, then then they

787
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Speaker 1: go after you. It's all bullshit. It's amazing, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: We want your money, but shut up. Powerful powerful energy

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Speaker 1: from from the dying Mitch McConnell, the crumbling body politics,

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Speaker 1: your bank accounts are fine, and like they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: do anything like this and antitrust stuff, all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: They're not. Actually, they can't actually go after corporations because

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Speaker 1: they've spent decades and decades building a relationship between politics

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Speaker 1: and corporations. That's what they have done. Um, if they

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Speaker 1: actually believed any of this, McConnell wouldn't have sent the

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Speaker 1: attributions part yeah, I and yeah, it's I don't want

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00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: to get it too much into it. Um, it's all there.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's a liar. It's so frustrating to watch, like even

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Speaker 1: I see all you see all these takes sort of

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Speaker 1: like actually, if you look into the Georgia lots, this

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Speaker 1: and this and this, it's for fraud and this right

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Speaker 1: the governor Camp literally said it is on tape saying

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Speaker 1: it's not about voter fraud. So like it's like just

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00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 1: like an like a constant flow of just like trying

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00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: trying to take these people at a like at their word.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know possibly why why you would ever

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Speaker 1: do that other than you want to help them with

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00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: their bullshit. It's just frustrating. And I don't even have

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Speaker 1: a point with this. It's just, uh, woke means nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's a meaningless word. Uh. They say that Coca Cola

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Speaker 1: is a woke communist company for their CEO saying they

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Speaker 1: didn't like a law, but please give us money. Still,

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Speaker 1: it's all just dogshite, like nothing. They're they're calling for

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Speaker 1: boycotts of these companies. That's what that's gonna be. The

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Speaker 1: hill we die on is debunking cancel culture. It's not

816
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Speaker 1: even like debunking, because it's like it's always been a thing.

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Speaker 1: It's you. I know you are, I know you know.

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Speaker 1: The actual cancel culture that Coca Cola was involved in.

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Speaker 1: They canceled cocaine. They did do that, but also between

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Speaker 1: nine between nineteen ninety and two thousand two, they hired

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Speaker 1: hitman uh from a prominent paramilitary right wing group to

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Speaker 1: murder left wing activists in Colombia. That's news to me.

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Speaker 1: Labor union leaders who were they know, hey, they can't.

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Speaker 1: They canceled the labor They canceled at least ten labor

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Speaker 1: union leaders who are trying to organize Coca Cola plants. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I think I've got to switch my allegiance, my Coca

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Speaker 1: Cola allegiance. What is what's what's vis colch Is it

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Speaker 1: just via backs? They back a ton of death squad

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Speaker 1: They all make your own soda. But zas Zvia's death

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Speaker 1: squads are Zevia doesn't unlike Coca Cola, who goes out

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Speaker 1: of the United States to hire assassins, would we have

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Speaker 1: out of work murderers here? Zevia hires local assassins to

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Speaker 1: murder labor union leaders. And that's America for average. It's

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Speaker 1: not great, but it's something. M I think that does

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Speaker 1: it for us today. We're done. I think that's going

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Speaker 1: to do it for us today. We but you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it with you with this. Keep

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Speaker 1: it real. Yeah, I'm trying something out. It didn't work.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work, but I'm gonna double down. Keep it real, y'all,

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Speaker 1: keep so dumb everything so it's not again. I tried. Dan.

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