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Speaker 1: to Peal. Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL
Speaker 1: the Podcast. I'm Dan hanss I'm here in a pertial
Speaker 1: room filled with a couple of heroes, Greg Rosenthal from Englewood,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler from Hollywood, and we are here to talk
Speaker 1: about another Double Monday Night and get you caught up
Speaker 1: on the news. Mark, let's start with the good news
Speaker 1: separate from the news, which is we are done with
Speaker 1: the Double Monday Night, the double Chamber, the double Shotgun.
Speaker 1: It's ova Johnny, and I for one, am very happy
Speaker 1: about it as well, because I was having a similar
Speaker 1: vibe to you, is like I'm done with this. I
Speaker 1: hate this two screen experience. And now we're done for
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 2: We are in like you know, I think if you've
Speaker 2: been listening to previous episodes, I was confronted about my
Speaker 2: behavior a week ago.
Speaker 3: And my text behavior with the two of you.
Speaker 2: I hope that tonight was an example that I can
Speaker 2: learn from those kinds of conversations. I don't believe I
Speaker 2: reached out to you all the rounds were playing.
Speaker 4: You did have some complaints about the announcers, but that
Speaker 4: was minor, and we are getting a doubleheader I believe
Speaker 4: week fourteen. So Mark, we've had a discussion and you're
Speaker 4: actually covering both of those games solo. Weird.
Speaker 3: Let's see if I'm still here in week fourteen.
Speaker 1: That's your penalty for your kaiser so routine. In week three,
Speaker 1: double Monday Night bang sash. Yes, So we had an
Speaker 1: important game for the Cincinnati Bengals, who staring down the
Speaker 1: barrel themselves of oh to three and the prospect of
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow not even playing this game. But Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: did play on Monday Night Football against the Rams head
Speaker 1: to pay Corps.
Speaker 5: Aaron Donald took a few plays off, he is now
Speaker 5: back in the game.
Speaker 6: On second and six, Mixon Nixon cut.
Speaker 5: Joe Mixon Tonight's first touchdown and the Bengals go on
Speaker 5: top pass setting up the run man Mixon from fourteen
Speaker 5: yards out put Cincinnati on top.
Speaker 1: No one said it was going to be easy for
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, who have an obviously compromised quarterback with
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow nursing that calf injury that will not go away.
Speaker 1: But Burrow did make it through four quarters of this game.
Speaker 1: He said afterwards that he got out of it unscathed
Speaker 1: without any setbacks. Who knows if that's the truth, but
Speaker 1: what we do know is that he played four quarters,
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon scored that go ahead touchdown, and the defense
Speaker 1: did the rest with a little help from Evan McPherson,
Speaker 1: their studley kicker in a nineteen sixteen win over the
Speaker 1: La Rams, a game Mark Sessler that wasn't high on
Speaker 1: action as really both offenses struggled mightily through this night,
Speaker 1: but it was the Bengals that just made more plays
Speaker 1: in the second half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we've been waiting for two plus weeks
Speaker 2: to kind of see this offense look like it has
Speaker 2: for the past two seasons, And when they were down
Speaker 2: nine to six and went in for a touchdown, was
Speaker 2: like they finally you kind of saw Jamar Chase, who
Speaker 2: they moved around a lot, get active, T Higgins, Joe
Speaker 2: Mixon in the ground game finally heated up another The
Speaker 2: offensive line did a pretty good job in this one.
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, I know, the whole story is
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and like I thought his throws were really
Speaker 2: affected tonight in general, Like he can say he's not
Speaker 2: affected by this calf injury. It's like I think we
Speaker 2: all saw a quarterback we've seen him before minus a
Speaker 2: calf injury, and like I I thought his throws were
Speaker 2: definitely affected by it, and like.
Speaker 1: He said, he was not affected. Just for the record,
Speaker 1: he said didn't come out of the.
Speaker 2: Game with like it work sure, but like there's no
Speaker 2: doubt that it limited kind of who he is and
Speaker 2: what he can do.
Speaker 3: But they found their way out of it.
Speaker 2: But I mean the Bengals, it's like it was kind
Speaker 2: of a total team thing, like what they did to
Speaker 2: the Rams with their defense with Trey Hendrickson, with Logan Wilson.
Speaker 2: It's like these guys just stepped up and shut down
Speaker 2: a Rams attack that was I think one for eleven
Speaker 2: on third down and one for four in the red zone.
Speaker 3: It's like it took the whole team to get out
Speaker 3: of this slump.
Speaker 2: And it's like I think the offense can grow, but
Speaker 2: it's like this version of Joe Burrow can't be the
Speaker 2: guy that we that we know.
Speaker 1: Can it?
Speaker 3: Which is it gonna get better? Hopefully? Can it get worse?
Speaker 2: It can get worse because it's like it's calf injury.
Speaker 2: There was one moment tonight where I thought he got
Speaker 2: hit and looked like I thought he might have reaggravated it.
Speaker 2: No matter what he says like it just looked uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: but they got they escaped it with a win. I
Speaker 2: guess you don't ask too many questions after that.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm asking questions because what they did tonight is unsustainable.
Speaker 4: There's also, like two things can be true. That was
Speaker 4: not a Joe Burrow that can win enough games for
Speaker 4: them to matter this year. Tonight their offense was too limited.
Speaker 4: They couldn't have him under center, which limits the running
Speaker 4: game too. I think Joe Mixon look good, but like
Speaker 4: he's out a shotgun all games, so it just messes
Speaker 4: with the running game. He clearly can't move outside the
Speaker 4: pocket like he was inaccurate, but they found a way
Speaker 4: to win. I think that's true, and he has to
Speaker 4: be better else they're not going to go anywhere. But
Speaker 4: it was also a championship level performance as a team.
Speaker 4: The best players on the team were all on defense.
Speaker 4: I think DJ Reider made one of the biggest plays
Speaker 4: of the game when he sacked Matthew Stafford on first
Speaker 4: down when they were on the goal line right at
Speaker 4: the beginning of the game. After they overturned a two
Speaker 4: to two out Well touchdown, and that just set the
Speaker 4: tone of defensive players stepping up and making huge plays.
Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson, you mentioned just beating on the Rams backup
Speaker 4: left tackle. In the second half, Dax Hill made huge
Speaker 4: plays at safety Logan Wilson with those interceptions, and they
Speaker 4: just kept holding the four, holding the fur and the
Speaker 4: Rams should have been ahead by much more at halftime
Speaker 4: and they weren't. And they held it just enough for
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase to show up, for Mixing to show up
Speaker 4: in Burrow, just to do just enough. I didn't come
Speaker 4: out of the game though, feeling like they solved anything
Speaker 4: on offense, because even after that touchdown drive, they have
Speaker 4: an interception, they get a short field, they don't do
Speaker 4: anything with it, and then they kicked the ball back
Speaker 4: to the Rams. It's not like they solve things. They
Speaker 4: just problem solved for this week. And if you're a
Speaker 4: Bengals fan, and Nick Wesseling was at the game with
Speaker 4: his wife Steph, like you're just hoping, Okay, maybe next
Speaker 4: week is a little bit better and we can keep
Speaker 4: solving our schedules a little soft and we can just
Speaker 4: survive this part of the season until he gets better, exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know that's why I locked up the Bengals.
Speaker 1: Good job, even though he split it out a little bit.
Speaker 1: The reason I did lock them out is I lock
Speaker 1: them up. I just did not foresee a scenario. And
Speaker 1: I know the coaching statsman catching heat on this podcast
Speaker 1: that this team, this battle tested team, was not going
Speaker 1: to find a way and game even if they aren't themselves.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly how the game played out where Burrow
Speaker 1: the real risk on the lockside was that he was
Speaker 1: either not going to play or be make it through
Speaker 1: a quarter and then come out of the game and
Speaker 1: then I'm banged in a big spot. But once he
Speaker 1: was able to just manage it and the game plan.
Speaker 1: And now, while it's not an exciting game plan to watch,
Speaker 1: in quite frankly, it's kind of sad to watch this
Speaker 1: version of Joe Burrow because he's such a dynamic, exciting
Speaker 1: player who challenges defense and can move when necessary, and
Speaker 1: all that stuff is thrown out the window just being
Speaker 1: in the game flow. And then when it was money
Speaker 1: time in the second half, Burrow, because he carries himself
Speaker 1: in a different way than many quarterbacks, he carries himself
Speaker 1: like the great ones, where when it's time to go
Speaker 1: make a play, when it's time to go get that
Speaker 1: big drive, he will hit the throws. And I thought
Speaker 1: the big pass on a nice little play call that
Speaker 1: showed patience both by Jamar Chase and Burrow hitting that
Speaker 1: big gainer that was the big I think that went
Speaker 1: for forty three and that set up the mix and touchdown.
Speaker 1: That was it. They just kind of needed one big
Speaker 1: time drive and then because this is a team with
Speaker 1: championship medal, I believe the rest of the guys take
Speaker 1: took it home, led by like I said, Trey Hendrickson,
Speaker 1: like I said Evan McPherson, who had a monster game
Speaker 1: for a kicker on a day where the offense needed
Speaker 1: like help, here's the kicker just smoking fifty plus yard
Speaker 1: bombs throughout the night. And they did it as a team,
Speaker 1: and I think it really poortends well for them. Not
Speaker 1: I agree with you that this version of the Bengals
Speaker 1: is not sustainable down the line, but during this very
Speaker 1: vulnerable time for them just kind of checking off and
Speaker 1: getting these wins. It will be huge for them. If
Speaker 1: Broke can actually get healthy in time.
Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine them suddenly taking a leap between
Speaker 2: now and next week. So I'm with you, Greg in
Speaker 2: the sense that, like, I don't know how you eke
Speaker 2: out wins like this because what they got on defense
Speaker 2: was special tonight.
Speaker 1: They just get it. Huh. They just did it like
Speaker 1: this is how they have to do it.
Speaker 2: You played the Rams like I'm not sure you're gonna
Speaker 2: beat other teams.
Speaker 1: Necessarily counter that mark. Here we go up next at
Speaker 1: Tennessee at Arizona Tennise's defense.
Speaker 4: Here's where I would push back just lately, because I'm
Speaker 4: with you. The offense has to improve, But can can
Speaker 4: they just muddle through and the defense carries them for
Speaker 4: a few weeks and win enough of these games? I
Speaker 4: think it's it's possible because yes, it's just the Rams.
Speaker 4: And I think something showed up today that we expected
Speaker 4: coming into the season. Like when the Rams were in
Speaker 4: catchup mode and they're just counting on one on ones
Speaker 4: to two two at well, it felt like, man, this
Speaker 4: is they're just hoping upon hope. But the Rams were
Speaker 4: more physical than the forty nine ers. Literally last week.
Speaker 4: They put up almost four hundred yard against the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers last week they put up thirty points on
Speaker 4: the Seahawks, So this was a championship level defensive performance.
Speaker 3: But that was what Greg three minutester just said.
Speaker 2: It's not sustainable right for the What are you saying,
Speaker 2: because I'm sort of saying, like, this version of the
Speaker 2: Bengals offense is not going to win twelve games for them,
Speaker 2: And I think, no, he could heal by then and
Speaker 2: be better, but he could also reaggravate this. It's like
Speaker 2: the I don't think he really had a real rollout
Speaker 2: until like deep third quarter. Like we're not seeing a
Speaker 2: quarterback that's functionally he's in the pocket and like sailing
Speaker 2: throws because of his lower body situation. It's like, that's
Speaker 2: not teams are. Teams are gonna find a way to
Speaker 2: target that and make make more of it than the
Speaker 2: Rams did tonight, and they came close to extinguishing the Bengals.
Speaker 3: This was a tight one, right.
Speaker 4: I agree with that because the Rams defense as hard
Speaker 4: as they played early and look, they only gave up
Speaker 4: six points in the first half, they forced four punts.
Speaker 4: They're one of the most undermanned, under talented defenses in
Speaker 4: the league. Aaron Donald kind of had a back to
Speaker 4: being Aaron Donald dominit But other than that, they're just
Speaker 4: they're just trying out there and they're gonna play much
Speaker 4: better competition in terms of the defenses that they face.
Speaker 1: It was weird game for their offense because you saw
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Rams now, you saw how they've
Speaker 1: really now found a role for two to two at well.
Speaker 1: He made a couple of big plays in this game.
Speaker 1: Puka Nakua once again had his share of action, little
Speaker 1: quieter in this game, but had a big catch near
Speaker 1: the end that made the game interesting. In the final
Speaker 1: mints are close to interesting. I would to call this
Speaker 1: game interesting, and you will, of course get Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: back in a few weeks. I think on the Rams side,
Speaker 1: it's a frustrating night, but I also think it's again
Speaker 1: I don't I do not like being put in this
Speaker 1: position that the Rams were put in, where you're going
Speaker 1: on the road in primetime against a proud, battle tested
Speaker 1: team like Cincinnati that needs the win. And while you're
Speaker 1: frustrated that the offense didn't like come to play today,
Speaker 1: because if they played just a little bit better, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: being as vulnerable as they are with Burrow right now,
Speaker 1: they could steal this game and then you're feeling totally
Speaker 1: different about the Rams. I still think this offense is
Speaker 1: going to have more better days than bad days, but
Speaker 1: just a tough one against the defense that really gave
Speaker 1: them fits, especially with the pass rush.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this was a big game and a
Speaker 4: missed opportunity though for them, just in terms of the
Speaker 4: type of season that they want to have, this would
Speaker 4: have been one they could feel like they stole. Like
Speaker 4: when they looked at the schedule early in the season,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't have expected them to have it. They're built
Speaker 4: on this offense being a top ten offense and the
Speaker 4: defense being good enough, and today the defense was good
Speaker 4: enough for them, and their number one side didn't show
Speaker 4: up enough. They weren't consistent with the running game, and
Speaker 4: they've got a winnable game next week with Indianapolis. But
Speaker 4: if you look at the schedule after that, and I've
Speaker 4: talked to some people, it's like it gets tougher and
Speaker 4: they are going to be a team that if they
Speaker 4: happen to be under five hundred when they get to
Speaker 4: the trade deadline, there might be decisions. And if they
Speaker 4: had won this game, and you start, if you get
Speaker 4: off to a three and one start, that conversation kind
Speaker 4: of goes out the window. So that's just something to
Speaker 4: watch for them. And I do think McVeigh tell me
Speaker 4: if I'm crazy, was mcveigh's game management driving you guys crazy?
Speaker 4: I know I'm game management guy, but it's like I've
Speaker 4: just been seeing this stuff for five or six years,
Speaker 4: and he drives me crazy. With the conservatism? Am I crazy?
Speaker 1: Like you know what, you don't think that, you don't
Speaker 1: connect McVeigh with a conservative streak, but you do see
Speaker 1: that there were just even beyond the gate of the
Speaker 1: play calling, I'd like to hear what you're thinking. But
Speaker 1: even that last drive when you know they need ten
Speaker 1: and you had the big completion to Higbee down the
Speaker 1: sideline with three and a half minutes to go and
Speaker 1: he doesn't go out of bounds and I'm just like
Speaker 1: and then shortly after that, I think it was at
Speaker 1: well he cuts back in instead of stepping out, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, like, we need We're gonna need this
Speaker 1: ninety seconds, Like what are we doing? So a little
Speaker 1: scattered on that side of it too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he punted on fourth and five with six and
Speaker 4: a half minutes to go, and at that point they
Speaker 4: were down ten. That's basically saying game over because the
Speaker 4: best you can hope for is to get the ball
Speaker 4: back with like around three minutes to go, which is
Speaker 4: what happened. And they had only one time out. So
Speaker 4: you combine that with the fact that they had blown
Speaker 4: those timeouts and McVeigh always does this because he doesn't
Speaker 4: want to take a delay a game, and they blew
Speaker 4: two timeouts like that, and they it just happened for
Speaker 4: five or six straight years, and like after each of
Speaker 4: those timeouts where he didn't want to take the delay game,
Speaker 4: they got sacked and punted the ball away like it
Speaker 4: didn't matter. You need those timeouts. And then you combine
Speaker 4: that with like running on third and fifteen a couple
Speaker 4: like two different times. And he's always been like that.
Speaker 4: He has this weird conservative streak, and I think with
Speaker 4: this team he's gonna need to be have the game
Speaker 4: management stuff just a little locked closer, because they're not.
Speaker 4: They're not explosive enough to make up for stuff like that.
Speaker 4: It's not in a world annoys me like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not in the world of Josh McDaniels kicking
Speaker 2: the field goal last night in that absurd situation. But
Speaker 2: it's like, if you're gonna pun in that place, you've
Speaker 2: got to have enough confidence that you're gonna get the
Speaker 2: ball back in your team, your offense, and know your
Speaker 2: offense well enough that like they can go score the
Speaker 2: touchdown not continue to chip away.
Speaker 3: And it's like that was an odd call.
Speaker 2: I'm not as down on McVeigh as you are Greg
Speaker 2: on that front, but it's I guess it's just not
Speaker 2: how he's characterized to me. Seems he seems to me
Speaker 2: if anything innovative, in aggressive in.
Speaker 4: Other ways he is in a lot of way, then
Speaker 4: they're playing hard. I don't think he's doing a bad
Speaker 4: job or anything like that. I think you found some
Speaker 4: limitations tonight though, especially with the offensive line injuries. They
Speaker 4: lost too offensive linemen, including their left tackle during the game.
Speaker 1: Anything else on those game boys.
Speaker 2: I just think that the Bengals were lucky to even
Speaker 2: get leu in or back this season. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: just because I think there's we're in a wave where
Speaker 2: defensive coordinators aren't getting hired as head coaches as much.
Speaker 2: But it's like fourteen more games he's getting a job.
Speaker 2: So it's like make the most of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was kind of a signature Jamar Chase
Speaker 4: game to go twelve for one on a night where
Speaker 4: the passing offense only had what two forty two net yards.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a big time game. It's the old
Speaker 4: squeaky wheel gets the grease. He showed up in a
Speaker 4: big spot like he carried the offense. They weren't gonna
Speaker 4: win without Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say that you need to Chase.
Speaker 1: You needed again with Burrow. Can't carry the team right now,
Speaker 1: and he's going to carry the team in their best moments,
Speaker 1: but right now he needs help. Can't put everything on
Speaker 1: his back. And there was Jamar making place. T Higgins like,
Speaker 1: join us amongst the living. I know he had two
Speaker 1: touchdowns last week, but that's two out of three weeks.
Speaker 1: I think he had two catches on seven targets today.
Speaker 1: Had a terrible drop too. I mean, hey, but it's
Speaker 1: your free agent year, so let's let's let's pick it
Speaker 1: up a little bit, help out your gampee quarterback and
Speaker 1: everybody will win.
Speaker 4: In the Endngrat's to Nick Wesseling in the crowd. He
Speaker 4: was given scouting reports that Joe Mixon looks good. I agree,
Speaker 4: Joe Mixon does look good this year. And he was
Speaker 4: saying that that Higgins especially was getting open deep. See
Speaker 4: we couldn't see that, but that Burrow was just kind
Speaker 4: of checking it down and not giving those chances of
Speaker 4: just getting rid of the watcher quickly. So good scouting
Speaker 4: from Nick.
Speaker 1: Good job by you, Nick Westling after your fifty point
Speaker 1: lock with the Dolphins. Everything is coming up Westling, and
Speaker 1: the biggest of all spots. Let's move to the first
Speaker 1: Monday night football game played. Where was that game played?
Speaker 4: It's it's a forgettable you would remember if it was
Speaker 4: in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was the Eagles win in Tampa. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 6: Fourth down a goal and they try and will likely
Speaker 6: try again. Pinch me, Yeah, I'd be shocked if they
Speaker 6: don't come back and run the run the exact same player. However,
Speaker 6: many people this day holds they're all expecting the same
Speaker 6: thing again too, hurts chuck it.
Speaker 1: In, no signal he's in. Well, pinch me, I mean enough,
Speaker 1: and it's like the tush push or whatever. It's like,
Speaker 1: Oh well, if you don't like it, well then maybe
Speaker 1: somebody should stop it.
Speaker 4: Shut up enough well, they's not complain about it.
Speaker 1: No, it's like, hey man, listen, you don't like to play, Well,
Speaker 1: maybe everyone would do it then if it was something
Speaker 1: so easy. Everyone is so hoity toity about this, but
Speaker 1: they don't complain.
Speaker 4: About it, just just because I.
Speaker 1: Don't like it. I don't think it's fun. There's a
Speaker 1: reason I don't watch rugby Rosenthal. This is American football.
Speaker 4: Okay, but they I totally agree with your aesthetic objections
Speaker 4: and your enjoyment, but don't say that they should outline
Speaker 4: and that that everyone can do it. Nobody else can
Speaker 4: do it. They're trying to do it, and they can't
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 1: Football quietly, despite maybe the thirty thousand foot view that
Speaker 1: it's like it's like lughead game played by cavemen, Like
Speaker 1: it's a very intellectual game football and you have to
Speaker 1: think the opponent unless we go back to caveman times
Speaker 1: when the Eagles have it at the one yard line.
Speaker 1: Enough rules committee actually do.
Speaker 4: So by coming up with this, no one else can
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: Go watch Week one like Stike and tried it with
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson, totally stuffed. It's not an automatic play like
Speaker 2: the Eagles.
Speaker 1: So different that he gets so low enough.
Speaker 2: But like, why is why why are you suddenly become
Speaker 2: this character from like the Central Bronx, Like it's uh, like.
Speaker 1: Nobody can get that low? Oh fascinating whatever. All right,
Speaker 1: So the Eagles take care of business.
Speaker 2: To patent Anti intellectually, just like he gets on these
Speaker 2: things where you're just like, who's actually saying that anywhere?
Speaker 1: What saying what?
Speaker 4: I don't know this spron's saying that they get so
Speaker 4: lower whatever that they love it?
Speaker 1: Why are you upset about this? Mark?
Speaker 3: I'm not upset.
Speaker 1: I just think, why can't I have an opinion that
Speaker 1: difference from yours?
Speaker 2: You have many that different from mine, and I have
Speaker 2: literally no control over anything that happens anywhere on this show,
Speaker 2: So like you are allowed to have as many opinions
Speaker 2: as you wish, Like that's never been an issue for you.
Speaker 1: Is that okay with you? Can I go on? Sure?
Speaker 1: All right? Thank you? Mark? Here we go, let's get
Speaker 1: into the game. The Eagles take care of business in
Speaker 1: pretty in a walk final score twenty five eleven over
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, a game that they pretty much controlled throughout.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts does do the tush push and the Eagles
Speaker 1: with again DeAndre Swift, which is another big find mark.
Speaker 1: They run all over the Bucks who can't get anything
Speaker 1: going on their side of the ball in offense.
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, I know the Eagles a week ago
Speaker 2: we were waiting for them to kind of warm up
Speaker 2: after a shaky Week one. But I'm looking at a
Speaker 2: team that a week ago had the ball for essentially
Speaker 2: forty minutes on offense. They had it for thirty nine
Speaker 2: minutes tonight. They've run the ball for four hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty yards over the past two weeks. They out yardaged
Speaker 2: the Bucks four hundred and seventy two to one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy four. They had twenty seven first downs. They
Speaker 2: were ten for sixteen on third down, which is wild.
Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift and the entire backfield costs less money than
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook. The Eagles are well put together. I think
Speaker 2: they're heating up. We started to see Aj Brown get involved.
Speaker 2: It was a complete domination down the stretch of a
Speaker 2: Bucks team that I find, you know, solid but largely
Speaker 2: fraudulent on offense at least, and this Eagles team, I
Speaker 2: think it's like we're just starting to see like if
Speaker 2: this was like kind of a growth game for the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Like the Eagles to me, on the ground, they have
Speaker 2: a way to go, but like their ability to dominate,
Speaker 2: control the clock, and just take the other team's offense
Speaker 2: out of the game and tire the opposing defense. Two
Speaker 2: weeks in a row, they just had their way at
Speaker 2: the end of the games. And so I love what
Speaker 2: they're doing right now, and like, this is my kind
Speaker 2: of team to watch. They've dominated on both sides of
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 3: On the line, I mean.
Speaker 4: The Bucks ended up with one hundred and seventy two yards.
Speaker 4: This was the classic and Dan you called it classic
Speaker 4: example of a two and oh team that really wasn't
Speaker 4: two and oh, like just smacking their face against the
Speaker 4: wall and just proving that they didn't belong with a
Speaker 4: team like the Eagles. And I was surprised because I
Speaker 4: think coming into this game the Eagles had struggled. But
Speaker 4: from the fifty foot view, as they like to say,
Speaker 4: it's like, man, the Eagles are winning these games by
Speaker 4: two scores and it doesn't feel like Jalen Hurts is
Speaker 4: playing that well yet, and like that they have some
Speaker 4: things that they can work on that they're that good.
Speaker 4: And I don't think these September games matter that much
Speaker 4: in the scheme of things. You know, going into this week,
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, the Cowboys, they're looking great, like they're
Speaker 4: now the Super Bowl favorites, and not the Eagles. Like
Speaker 4: none of this September football is gonna matter in January
Speaker 4: except for the standings. But the fact that the Eagles
Speaker 4: can work out issues and just like win by two
Speaker 4: scores comfortably when it doesn't feel like they're even playing
Speaker 4: their best and they practically trip all the bucks in
Speaker 4: total yards. I do think that's a little scary for
Speaker 4: the rest of the of the NFC when you're looking
Speaker 4: at all these players on the roster.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the more overblown subplots of
Speaker 1: the first two weeks is what's wrong with the Eagles
Speaker 1: on offense because while yes, Jalen Hurts hasn't been as
Speaker 1: locked in, they are running the ball maybe better than ever,
Speaker 1: and you know, and they are doing enough in the
Speaker 1: passing game right now. It's not like they're doing nothing
Speaker 1: in the passing game. They're just not locked in. And
Speaker 1: you're right, like they if Hurts does lock in, and
Speaker 1: I think it's more likely he does that he doesn't
Speaker 1: and he starts, you know, getting more and more active
Speaker 1: with his legs as well. This is team is going
Speaker 1: to be look just every bit as scary as they
Speaker 1: were last year, and they will rival the Dolphins when
Speaker 1: you talk about offenses that you don't want to see
Speaker 1: on the field. So yeah, despite all the hand ringing,
Speaker 1: they're three to oh and this game against ostensibly, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not essensibly, they're just another undefeated team quote unquote,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even close. So if you're an Eagles fan,
Speaker 1: you're feeling pretty hot right now.
Speaker 4: It's crazy how good their lines are. I mean, that's
Speaker 4: it's been the whole magic magic potion for this organization
Speaker 4: rebuilding itself after Cards and Wentz. How they built it
Speaker 4: up with Carson Wentz and Nick Foles was just like,
Speaker 4: we're going to spend all our money and all our
Speaker 4: resources possible on the offensive line and the defensive line,
Speaker 4: and then everything else will just look better because of that,
Speaker 4: and we can figure things out because of that. And
Speaker 4: they mashed them. DeAndre Swift looks like a different player
Speaker 4: right now, sixteen for one thirty. And it's not just
Speaker 4: the offensive line, because Gainwell wasn't really getting it done. Tonight.
Speaker 4: He looks he looks like he's on he's in Mario
Speaker 4: Kart and he hits the oil slick or something. He
Speaker 4: just he goes forward. It's just like, Wow, I love me.
Speaker 1: He loves Swift right now. I thought you're talking about
Speaker 1: gain Gainwell lost that job and Swift I don't know,
Speaker 1: like Mark the Lions had, there were moments in his
Speaker 1: Lion's career where it looked like it was just about
Speaker 1: to click. I'm I'm not surprised. I'm obviously he's played
Speaker 1: like the best running back in the league the last
Speaker 1: two weeks, but you kind of felt this was always
Speaker 1: in him and now he's in a perfect spot. I
Speaker 1: would you know, you get to the point now where
Speaker 1: you going to be surprised if this guy is near
Speaker 1: the top of the league and rushing at the end
Speaker 1: of the season, like he is set up beautifully here, he's.
Speaker 3: In a better environment.
Speaker 2: Although the Lions have a good line too, but I
Speaker 2: think he's healthy, Like I think the DeAndre Swift was
Speaker 2: battling a lot of injuries stuff in other seasons too,
Speaker 2: and I thought that the Lions like backfield reinvention this
Speaker 2: offseason was a little mysterious. To me, they kind of
Speaker 2: had it going on last year with Williams and Swift.
Speaker 2: I'm like, they he looks great in Philadelphia, and it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Dan that they like we took one
Speaker 2: week's worth of Eagles offense and kind of like it
Speaker 2: became a talking point. But I do think that you're
Speaker 2: not getting I think we came into the season thinking
Speaker 2: like Jalen Hurts is an MVP, an MVP candidate, and
Speaker 2: it's like he's been a tick below or at the
Speaker 2: offense on that the passing game has been a tick below.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen quite like the performances on the ground
Speaker 2: from him. All of that can come. I mean, when
Speaker 2: you're dominating teams this way, it's like you're gonna win
Speaker 2: eleven or twelve of your first thirteen or fourteen games
Speaker 2: and be like what we just saw from the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: It's like, find a better team in the NFC right
Speaker 2: now for me than the Eagles. If this is the
Speaker 2: sort of their B minus B performance.
Speaker 4: World forty nine ers, nice little lock there by.
Speaker 3: Sure, forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I locked up the Eagles. Uh, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not wasn't the most heroic thing on the planet. Well
Speaker 2: exactly I was. I was staring down.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about a.
Speaker 1: Wounded Just imagine if if is locked in and come through.
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 4: I am not. I'm trying to be uh impartial here.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was bad at you. I think
Speaker 4: he's just you know it.
Speaker 1: At hold me an anti intellectual given because I don't like.
Speaker 2: The I just asked why he's always from Central Bronx
Speaker 2: or like one of the Burroughs.
Speaker 1: Like I think maybe because you said you like this
Speaker 1: Eagles team so much, maybe you took it a little personally.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean. I didn't mean to upset you, though,
Speaker 1: and I apologize. I'm I think we've just I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to have fun out here. It's a Monday night
Speaker 1: where the games weren't too juicy. I don't really care
Speaker 1: about the butt it is.
Speaker 4: It is ironic though. It's like this intellectual team and
Speaker 4: they've got uh, you know, their whole analytics department run
Speaker 4: by you know, Ivy League graduate Alec Halliby and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But like, what did it come down to? They're the
Speaker 4: big They're the big, rugged men who are just running
Speaker 4: the ball one yard and they get all the expensive
Speaker 4: three hundred pounds a linemen on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4: That that's what the intellectuals say is to get.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't like intellectuals, you know, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I prefer to shut them out, I mean aspicious of them.
Speaker 4: It's another week with Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. Do
Speaker 4: you guys give me something on the bucks here? I
Speaker 4: mean Baker. I wouldn't say it with transition Baker, but
Speaker 4: it was not a it was a big I.
Speaker 1: Thought it was Actually, this was not the outcome that
Speaker 1: I was expecting. I thought either we were going to
Speaker 1: get one of two things, which was either the epic
Speaker 1: Baker flame out game where he has like five turnovers
Speaker 1: and he just can't stop just throwing it up for grabs,
Speaker 1: and we didn't quite get that, And we didn't get
Speaker 1: the other one, which would have made this game a
Speaker 1: little more juicy, which is him playing with a lot
Speaker 1: of bravado and completing a bunch of passes. Although it
Speaker 1: started out a little bit more exciting than it ended.
Speaker 3: So I think this is probably pretty dangerous.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is probably more not really more
Speaker 1: in line with the Baker that will get weak to
Speaker 1: week and that's not gonna be good enough for this team.
Speaker 2: I hated the like the Rashad White safety in the
Speaker 2: end zone. Terrible play call.
Speaker 3: What are we doing?
Speaker 2: Like in general, like there's been pretty good play calling
Speaker 2: for the Bucks with a first time a guy doing
Speaker 2: it for the first time in canals. But like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if Baker's floor is like I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: throw five picks, but it is what it was Tonight
Speaker 2: they their lowest first half yardage since you know, twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and like they looked like it, and they looked punchless.
Speaker 2: And it's like this has always looked I always love
Speaker 2: this sort of like a seven win team. And I
Speaker 2: think that the two wino start was a bit fraudulent.
Speaker 4: That would that would that would get there over And
Speaker 4: they asked, you know, Bowls about the running game afterwards,
Speaker 4: and he basically just said it didn't show up like
Speaker 4: what running game. So, uh, they've struggled to run the ball.
Speaker 4: They're not a complete team. Mike Evans look good again,
Speaker 4: but this this defensive front with Carter and and Davis
Speaker 4: and Fletcher Cox is playing better. You know, he hasn't
Speaker 4: really been Fletcher Cox the last couple of years, but
Speaker 4: he started out this season, uh, playing quite well. So
Speaker 4: you just like, you gotta you gotta watch them and see,
Speaker 4: you know, like these veterans, you just assume they're the
Speaker 4: same year after year, but he seems to be reversing
Speaker 4: the aging process at least at least early in September.
Speaker 1: And if I'm like, if I'm in the NFC, mm hmm,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta be smarter about, you know, keeping
Speaker 1: our tabs on the Eagles here. You know, we talked
Speaker 1: about like Seattle passing on Jalen Carter in the draft
Speaker 1: and then he falls to the Eagles, and then you
Speaker 1: have DeAndre Swift, like you gotta kind of make sure
Speaker 1: he doesn't end up back in his hometown making one
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars in salary, like potentially leading
Speaker 1: the league in all purpose yards or something crazy like that.
Speaker 1: This you have to. I feel like they're so run
Speaker 1: so well that just kind of keep better tabs on
Speaker 1: the Eagles because they're going to keep boat racing the
Speaker 1: conference if they are able to add these guys to
Speaker 1: an already loaded roster. I agree.
Speaker 4: I definitely think if Hurt starts playing better, Like he
Speaker 4: made a bad decision in the red zone early on
Speaker 4: a fourth down that ended up a turnover. On downs,
Speaker 4: he probably should have kept the ball and he handed
Speaker 4: it off. And then he had two interceptions, one where
Speaker 4: he's just hanging in the pocket forever forever and enforced it.
Speaker 4: And he made a nice throw in a similar situation
Speaker 4: to Tzakiyas earlier. But a couple of interceptions in this game,
Speaker 4: like a couple wonky decisions. Like his PFF grade for
Speaker 4: what it's worth, I bet will not be great tomorrow.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be. He's been middle of the pack for
Speaker 4: three straight weeks and yet they're off.
Speaker 1: Is still awesome. Although you know Aj Brown sticking it
Speaker 1: to your fantasy team and an otherwise good day. Clanks
Speaker 1: went off his hands in the end zone, Greggy, that
Speaker 1: would have made the stat line look nicer. He would
Speaker 1: have three total touchdowns and and whatnot. But yeah, come on, Aj,
Speaker 1: make that catch.
Speaker 4: I mean he had he had a nice night in
Speaker 4: the end nine for one see and that one I
Speaker 4: want hurts to just a little more touch. You know
Speaker 4: there was a defender there, but a little more touch,
Speaker 4: don't make them jump if if that's the one I'm
Speaker 4: thinking of, and.
Speaker 1: Then the other play, the other play that that just
Speaker 1: seems like they're toying with their opponents. The other play
Speaker 1: where it looked like they're gonna just to bring a
Speaker 1: full circle here. They're like, Oh, we're gonna do the
Speaker 1: touch push again. Isn't this cute? And then they all
Speaker 1: cloud up and then they kind of it's a fake
Speaker 1: and they and they pull out and Jalen gets caught
Speaker 1: up with his feet and he falls and the play
Speaker 1: gets busted up, like they're just messing around. They're just
Speaker 1: having fun. I think they could have scored the runway
Speaker 1: and I think the regular way, and Troy Aikman pointed
Speaker 1: that out. He's like, yeah, I'd keep that one in
Speaker 1: the back pocket. I don't think I don't think you
Speaker 1: need that.
Speaker 3: Didn't need to use it against the Bucks tonight.
Speaker 4: Definitely they'll want to pull out of the touch push.
Speaker 1: All right, anything else on this game? All right, let's
Speaker 1: take a break, and when we get back, we get
Speaker 1: you caught up on the news. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the news. We've got a lot of
Speaker 1: news to get to on this Monday night here in
Speaker 1: southern California. Let's start with bad news for one of
Speaker 1: the Southern California teams. The Los Angeles Chargers will be
Speaker 1: without the services of Mike Williams for the balance of
Speaker 1: this season. He suffered a season ending left ACL taar
Speaker 1: in the chargers twenty eight to twenty four win over
Speaker 1: the Vikings. The team announced it on Monday. The report
Speaker 1: and the belief is that he'll be ready for training
Speaker 1: camp next season, but that does not help the Chargers
Speaker 1: this season. William Greg has been went on the field,
Speaker 1: a big time important playmaker for this offense. He's battled
Speaker 1: injuries for as long as I remember him being a
Speaker 1: player with this team, since coming into the league, and
Speaker 1: now he's got a big one to deal with, and
Speaker 1: that leaves a big hole for the Chargers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sad for him. It's it's disappointing for the Chargers.
Speaker 4: He's under contract next year. I checked his cap numbers,
Speaker 4: like thirty two million, although the salary is seventeen They could.
Speaker 4: They want to keep him, They probably will. They can.
Speaker 4: They can fix it as they normally do, but he's
Speaker 4: a guy just has been too unreliable. I was watching
Speaker 4: this game when it happened, and my immediate reaction was like, oh,
Speaker 4: don't you know cause it came on a short throw
Speaker 4: that they're asking him to make yards after the catch
Speaker 4: on a third and long, and he battled through a
Speaker 4: couple defenders to try to get the first down. And
Speaker 4: my immediate thought was like, oh, don't don't put Mike
Speaker 4: Williams in that spot, like he's just gonna get injured.
Speaker 4: You know, it was a tough spot and that's like
Speaker 4: a crazy way to think about your.
Speaker 1: What has Brandon Stalely done that before? Right? Well?
Speaker 4: No, but here's the thing I was wrong, I think
Speaker 4: because you can't think that way about it your number
Speaker 4: one receiver, that like you can't give him the ball
Speaker 4: in space to go try to break attack right or two.
Speaker 4: But it just feels like that's the way Mike Williams'
Speaker 4: career has gone that when he gets contacted, whether it's
Speaker 4: with the ground or with opponents, like he just has
Speaker 4: suffered so many injuries.
Speaker 2: It's so frustrating, Like I find his career like, you know,
Speaker 2: not it's not his fault.
Speaker 3: Injuries aren't his fault.
Speaker 2: But it's just like such a test of your patience
Speaker 2: if you're a Chargers fan, because you have him, and
Speaker 2: it changes your offense entirely, Like under Kellen Moore. It's
Speaker 2: like the way they were moving him around, Like I
Speaker 2: think it unleashed Keenan Allen too. It's like one of
Speaker 2: the reasons we're seeing Keenan Allen explode like kind of
Speaker 2: late in his career this way is because of Mike Williams. Now,
Speaker 2: It's like, can Josh Palmer create that same environment. Quentin
Speaker 2: Johnson's like a work in progress. It's like you're taking
Speaker 2: a number two guys.
Speaker 4: Johnson though like a similar profile player, So it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like also someone like Williams next year when
Speaker 1: his cap numbered is thirty two million, like he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be the guy that is the next dude. He
Speaker 1: only has I believe what three or four catches so far,
Speaker 1: five catches this year for twenty six yards, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like wide receivers typically in our league now
Speaker 1: hit the ground running if they are dogs, and you
Speaker 1: kind of need Quinton Johnson here now to be a
Speaker 1: guy for them. There's no training wheels anymore. That's stinks, though,
Speaker 1: That's stinks. In other injury news, the Saints will be
Speaker 1: without Derek Card appears in the near future, but we
Speaker 1: just don't know for how long the quarterback will be out.
Speaker 1: He has a sprain right ac joint that's like the
Speaker 1: shoulder area throwing shoulder he did. Dennis Allen did not
Speaker 1: rule out his quarterback for Sundays game against the Bucks.
Speaker 1: But it would be a surprise, you would think, to
Speaker 1: see him in this game. And Mark, we hear it
Speaker 1: all the time from people that play the game that
Speaker 1: this is one of the worst kind of inies from
Speaker 1: pain management. That you could play with it, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna suffer playing with it. And I can't even imagine
Speaker 1: a quarterback playing with this type of injury. It happens,
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be pleasant. Whenever he does get
Speaker 1: back on the field, now we'll see how much he misses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he took eleven sacks already this season.
Speaker 2: So it's like in that world, like behind that line,
Speaker 2: like if he comes back, do you reaggravate it? Are
Speaker 2: you already like less effective because of it? You got
Speaker 2: Tampa coming up. The Patriots two good, two solid defenses.
Speaker 2: I mean Jameis Winston, who I kind of like, I
Speaker 2: would say, honestly, like a couple of weeks ago, I
Speaker 2: could maybe thought like jamis the higher version of Jameis
Speaker 2: Winston can be what Derek Carr is, but he's so variable,
Speaker 2: and like the early part of what we saw from
Speaker 2: him on Sunday was just sort of a disaster, to
Speaker 2: the point where I was like, the jet should trade
Speaker 2: for Jameis wins Is, Like, no, they should, and nor
Speaker 2: should anyone, Like, let the Saints deal with this guy
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 3: You got Derek Carr for a reason.
Speaker 2: They believe in him, and it's like, it is a
Speaker 2: disaster and a very winnable and if South in an
Speaker 2: NFC South or a playoff situation in that conference in general,
Speaker 2: where the Saints could sneaky win ten or eleven games
Speaker 2: with Derek car and it's like, now you lose them
Speaker 2: for a month, and if Winston is a mess, you're
Speaker 2: in a whole different world.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I when I watched that, after what I heard,
Speaker 4: I was expecting Winston to be a disaster.
Speaker 1: And he was fine.
Speaker 4: He made it. He made a couple of throws in
Speaker 4: that game. He set them up for the game when
Speaker 4: you feel goal they didn't score any points. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that he was great, but it wasn't any disastrous
Speaker 4: Jamis appearance. I'm just a little worried about him without
Speaker 4: Sean Payton there, but he is a better backup than
Speaker 4: most in their schedule, it's just preposterously favorable. I know,
Speaker 4: you got Tampa who's two and one, and then at
Speaker 4: New England. You could make an argument before their week
Speaker 4: eleven by that at New England's the toughest game by
Speaker 4: a decent amount in their first ten games, which is
Speaker 4: just silly if you're in, if you're an AFC, I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't even know who is it?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 4: Is it Tampa? Is it? Is it home for Jacksonville? Maybe?
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's definitely not the Colts or the
Speaker 4: Panthers or the Titans, or Chicago or at Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Like probably Jacksonville. And that's you know they are they
Speaker 1: are no.
Speaker 4: Great shape, like well we'll see, I mean, they're like
Speaker 4: the twenty seventh.
Speaker 1: Point well taken.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like the Stevens. I think they can win
Speaker 4: games with Jameis Winston. And you wouldn't want to see
Speaker 4: Carr get rushed back. That was a really disappointing injury
Speaker 4: for him, and it's a reminder, like people always say,
Speaker 4: scrambling guys get hurt, like most of most of these
Speaker 4: injuries come from being in the pocket. It was on
Speaker 4: a play he's probably kicking himself. He didn't get rid
Speaker 4: of the ball, held onto it for a really long time,
Speaker 4: and took a vicious hit that they didn't call all
Speaker 4: these like roughing the quarterback calls that they do make
Speaker 4: when they're you know, when they're throwing them to the
Speaker 4: ground and landing on with body weight. That was it
Speaker 4: in a nutshell, and it took him out for a month,
Speaker 4: and no one said anything that they didn't call a
Speaker 4: penalty on that play.
Speaker 1: And there's been issue us, as Mark said, with taking sacks.
Speaker 1: And it's actually interesting that Dennis Allen kind of went
Speaker 1: out of his way to say, well, that's fair, but
Speaker 1: he said, I think that was the one play I
Speaker 1: felt like he kind of hung onto the ball too long,
Speaker 1: which is true, and he's gonna have to be Yeah,
Speaker 1: and here's one thing about Derek Carr coach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's one thing of a jerk like
Speaker 4: me is pointing it out.
Speaker 1: Maybe unnecessary honesty there from Dennis, but Derek Carr is
Speaker 1: a tough sob I bet I would not be surprised
Speaker 1: if he's back next week. Maybe not this week, but
Speaker 1: next week. And then it's just about pain tolerance, they say.
Speaker 1: I just get the feeling. That's the kind of competitor
Speaker 1: he is, and we'll see if he can play the
Speaker 1: guitar with a bad wing. Let's look at other quarterback situations,
Speaker 1: this one in Vegas where Derek Carr left and was
Speaker 1: replaced by Jimmy Garoppolo Sunday Night Football. He takes some
Speaker 1: a few nasty shots in that game. He finished the game,
Speaker 1: he actually threw an interception in the last pass of
Speaker 1: the game, and desperation and then on Monday, I went
Speaker 1: into the concussion protocol and that is not a good thing.
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, Raiders head coach. So they're not sure when
Speaker 1: the injury occurred.
Speaker 7: There was nothing ever mentioned vic you know, or talked
Speaker 7: about relative to that. I'm not even sure what you
Speaker 7: know what when you know what hit or you know,
Speaker 7: if it was just accumulation of I have no idea.
Speaker 7: You know, there was never a conversation about that, you know.
Speaker 7: So I'm not I'm not sure exactly, and I haven't
Speaker 7: seen him yet. This morning, so I'm not exactly sure
Speaker 7: when it when it took place, or if it was
Speaker 7: just a culmination of things.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a answer cracks me up.
Speaker 2: It was like just like a man kind of like
Speaker 2: shriveling and getting smaller and smaller by the minute to
Speaker 2: do everything he can to not answer it.
Speaker 4: It's really well said on there. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 4: there was a major play in the game where Minka
Speaker 4: Fitzpatrick hit him in the head with his helmet and
Speaker 4: his helmet bounced off the ground on that play. It
Speaker 4: does go to show like that that wasn't spotted. It
Speaker 4: wasn't really talked about on the broadcast. I didn't think
Speaker 4: twice about it watching it, but it's like, yeah, he
Speaker 4: was speared in the helmet by another helmet, and this
Speaker 4: shows how I don't know this.
Speaker 1: The system is.
Speaker 4: Not working perfectly for these quarterbacks health that he played
Speaker 4: the rest of this game.
Speaker 2: He seems to get banged up at one point in
Speaker 2: every game where you think his season is over, and
Speaker 2: then he returns. It's like they showed him late in
Speaker 2: the game on the sideline and I know he's a
Speaker 2: handsome person, so's they wasn't. I'm not speaking about his looks,
Speaker 2: but he looked clear eyed. He looked with it. And
Speaker 2: so when I read this, I was just kind of like,
Speaker 2: when did this happen? And like what I mean, like
Speaker 2: I don't know, like how do you spot this stuff?
Speaker 2: If it is sort of the kind of thing where
Speaker 2: it's like there wasn't a crystal clear moment where as
Speaker 2: you know, he suddenly afterward appeared like a completely different
Speaker 2: human being. We've seen that, but I didn't see it
Speaker 2: with Jimmy G in the Steelers game.
Speaker 4: There is something about Jimmy G. By the way though,
Speaker 4: it just seems like you're right, there is that moment
Speaker 4: for him every game. And then it also seems like
Speaker 4: he's getting his receivers hit because he's like the ball
Speaker 4: takes forever to get there and it's over the middle
Speaker 4: and just like just feels like there's a bunch of
Speaker 4: car crashes on the Raiders offense all the time. People
Speaker 4: are in the backfield blowing up Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1: It just looks like a.
Speaker 4: Walking injury waiting to happen the Raiders offense.
Speaker 1: I mean, you thought the ball was hanging up with
Speaker 1: Jimmy G throwing spirals, Just wait until it's time for
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: What about a little aidan O'Connell. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: that could add a little energy to an offense that
Speaker 2: put me to sleep almost a night ago.
Speaker 4: Who do the Raiders got this week? I should be
Speaker 4: more prepared than this. Let's look, Oh, the Chargers might
Speaker 4: get a little bit of a break for once in
Speaker 4: their lives.
Speaker 1: In other news, Oh boy, Gregy, the Stadies all right after?
Speaker 1: J C. Jackson, who will remember the charges cornerback while
Speaker 1: a member of the newly Patriots, he got ticketed for
Speaker 1: going one hundred miles per hour on Route one in
Speaker 1: South Attleboro, Massachusetts. And I never paid the fine, six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars fine, never took the class. So what happens
Speaker 1: The states and the state of Massachusetts say, oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna throw a Warren out for this guy's arrest. And
Speaker 1: when that came to light, he was made inactive for
Speaker 1: the Chargers first one of the season over the Vikings yesterday.
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley said later Monday that the move was unrelated
Speaker 1: to the warrant. You know what, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on here.
Speaker 4: Does anybody know this is Staley. I, you know, we
Speaker 4: got this text in our text thread. I was driving,
Speaker 4: I believe at the time I got in and our
Speaker 4: guy Big Funk gave us some good breaking news and
Speaker 4: I said, oh, that makes sense why he was inactive.
Speaker 4: I had not clicked on the link yet. When I
Speaker 4: found out it was like a six hundred dollars fine
Speaker 4: from for the traffic, I was like, this probably is
Speaker 4: unrelated to the to the healthy scratch. I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're benching him for that. But it's
Speaker 4: been it's been a bad eighteen months for j C.
Speaker 4: Jackson since he signed that contract. I mean, life changing money,
Speaker 4: but the injury and just healthy scratch, it's just it's
Speaker 4: a sign.
Speaker 1: I'm reading this article. Maybe my mistake was I should
Speaker 1: have been on NFL dot com. But I'm reading the
Speaker 1: ESPN article. The headline is Warren out where charges j C.
Speaker 1: Jackson over six hundred dollars fine comic class. And that
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with why he was an actor
Speaker 1: for the game. Why am I even talking about this?
Speaker 8: Then?
Speaker 1: Why are we talking about this?
Speaker 3: I'm with you, like he was.
Speaker 2: He was meant to complete a I guess a driving
Speaker 2: or traffic or something type class called Brains at Risk,
Speaker 2: which he decided.
Speaker 3: He didn't want to take want to take brains at risk.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to take brains at risk program that
Speaker 2: would like the listeners, they could fast forward through this,
Speaker 2: we can't.
Speaker 4: He was he was the highest paid free agent a
Speaker 4: year ago. This is just sort of a.
Speaker 1: But Greggie, then why was what's the story then? Because
Speaker 1: if the story isn't what happened in Massachusetts in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, then if we're going to be talking about this,
Speaker 1: I need to know why he was inactive because right
Speaker 1: now what we've done here in the media is we've
Speaker 1: smashed together two perhaps unrelated situations. Yeah, that have been.
Speaker 4: Sort of like J. C. Jackson's in the air. So
Speaker 4: this got a little extra pop, and I think it's
Speaker 4: good as a reminder don't be driving one hundred miles
Speaker 4: an hour and if you get it, you got to
Speaker 4: show up for the class.
Speaker 1: That's what I did the sport.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a service for you know, whether you're
Speaker 2: in England or in the States, you don't need to
Speaker 2: be going one hundred miles an hour. If they even
Speaker 2: have him on one hundred miles an hour in England.
Speaker 1: And if you must go one hundred miles per hour,
Speaker 1: wear a seatbelt. Where that's that's speaking of scary stuff
Speaker 1: and safety belts, but it's not going to save you.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing when you're on a plane and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, here's here's the buckle, you know, here's
Speaker 1: the mask that you're gonna put on. Here's heads up,
Speaker 1: your seat's a flotation device. No, if this, if this
Speaker 1: ends in the way we don't want it to end.
Speaker 1: It's ova Johnny, we gone, and no seatbelt is gonna
Speaker 1: save you. You know. Well maybe maybe it's a bumpy landing. Whatever,
Speaker 1: don't don't come for me. The Pittsburgh Steelers charter plane
Speaker 1: from Las Vegas made it an emergency landing in Kansas
Speaker 1: City early Monday morning. A Steeler spokesperson posting on social
Speaker 1: media that everyone on the plane is fine and that
Speaker 1: the team is quote making necessary plans to arrive back
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh later today. I'm sure they are there by. Now.
Speaker 1: This is where this freaks me out a little bit.
Speaker 1: It landed three fifty five am Central because of oil
Speaker 1: pressure failure in one of the engines. No thank you, No,
Speaker 1: I'll take the mat in bus. That is terrifying. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think this was tied to a sandwich prop that
Speaker 2: I had a couple of years ago. Obviously not act
Speaker 2: an active prop, but came close.
Speaker 4: This is where you find out a lot about your teammates,
Speaker 4: Like there is one guy that just made this experience
Speaker 4: I bet better for everyone but his good attitude, maybe
Speaker 4: some jokes and whatnot. But there's also one guy and
Speaker 4: that just that just won't stop complaining and or just
Speaker 4: made it worse, like the whole time, Like you landed
Speaker 4: at four, everyone's unhappy and he just won't shut up
Speaker 4: about it. Because you're still there eight hours later. No
Speaker 4: one's happy. But there's one person I bet on that
Speaker 4: team that the rest of them are whispering about being
Speaker 4: just like, ok, can he just give it a rest?
Speaker 4: We get it. It's all in the same situation.
Speaker 1: He's probably the guy that's screaming we're all gonna die,
Speaker 1: like and the pilots on like, hey, you know, we
Speaker 1: got like multiple engines here, so we're gonna be fine,
Speaker 1: but we're just gonna take this down. And he won't
Speaker 1: stop screaming that everyone's done anyway. The Steelers are okay,
Speaker 1: but that that's never that's never good. So emergency landing's bad.
Speaker 1: In other news, also bad. You don't hit a guy
Speaker 1: in the junk. You just don't do it. I don't.
Speaker 1: There's no reason unless there's a your life is on
Speaker 1: the line, or some other scenario to hit someone in
Speaker 1: the private parts. And that, according to Sauce Gardner of
Speaker 1: the Jets, is what mac Jones did to him during
Speaker 1: Sunday's fifty fifteen to ten Patriots win at MetLife Stadium.
Speaker 1: Sauce responded by like pushing mac Jones, who then theatrically
Speaker 1: flung himself backwards, did not get the flag he was
Speaker 1: looking for, and then Sauce sent out a video saying, hey, look,
Speaker 1: just NFL realized before you find me for pushing your
Speaker 1: beloved quarterback, this guy tapped me in the nards. Here
Speaker 1: is Sauce Gardner when asked about it on Monday.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I got tackled. He reached his hand up to
Speaker 8: try to like give me to help what and I
Speaker 8: just like moved his hand out of the way. So
Speaker 8: there he get up. He just come out to me
Speaker 8: like but job. But while he's saying that he hit
Speaker 8: me in my he hit me in my private part.
Speaker 1: So it was like.
Speaker 8: I didn't react how I really wanted to, but that
Speaker 8: was just like the reaction that came after that. But
Speaker 8: I definitely wouldn't expecting that first time. You know, it's
Speaker 8: the first time or everything. I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Man. Also, he almost said the D word and he
Speaker 1: stopped himself, So it wasn't the nards, it was the
Speaker 1: other thing, which is interesting. Good job, Sauce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're probably like wearing a cup in general,
Speaker 2: so it's that kind of all Its all in one
Speaker 2: central area. But I don't know, it's like another little
Speaker 2: tiny chapter in the Mac Jones might be slightly annoying,
Speaker 2: Like there was some stuff that bubbled up last year
Speaker 2: and it's like really like I can't remember the last
Speaker 2: time if it was, like you know, we have then
Speaker 2: dominic ensues adventures from years past, but like, uh, you
Speaker 2: know how many quarterbacks have been tagged with this accusation.
Speaker 3: It's so specific that I believe it from Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even like the way he walked up to the
Speaker 4: podium when he got drafted. There's just something a little
Speaker 4: something about Mac And it's so funny because Patriots fans
Speaker 4: today are all just like, oh, he's just got this
Speaker 4: dirty reputation. This was nothing. People just get in their corners.
Speaker 4: It's like, first of all, it's not that serious that
Speaker 4: you need to like feel like you're defending a political party.
Speaker 4: But the second is I find Saus's explanation pretty convincing.
Speaker 4: And even the video where it's like people are like
Speaker 4: you can't really see anything, it's like you can kind
Speaker 4: of see that. It looks like a game a little tap,
Speaker 4: and Sauce wasn't taking it too seriously ever, but it
Speaker 4: looks like a game a little tap.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows he did it right.
Speaker 4: It's like the way Sauce said it, I fully believe
Speaker 4: Sauce Garden.
Speaker 1: It's not the first time that Mac Jones has done
Speaker 1: kind of questionable, like wrestling heel type moves. I likened
Speaker 1: him on Twitter today the like like the bad guy
Speaker 1: Jock in the eighties movie who's just kind of a
Speaker 1: bully and a jerk and underhanded and gets his in
Speaker 1: the end. I kind of think that's probably how Mac
Speaker 1: Jones's NFL career will play out in general. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I can't. I mean, he's a dirt
Speaker 1: bag but you know, that's not the worst thing. It's
Speaker 1: good to have a like a you know, like a
Speaker 1: little treacherous heel, Yeah, playing quarterback. Like it's it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's good to have a couple of those guys. I
Speaker 1: think it's good. It's a he's like a character actor
Speaker 1: in the NFL at the quarterback position. The character he
Speaker 1: plays is a dirt bag, and that's fine, that's good.
Speaker 1: And Patriots fans just own it too, like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a dirt bag. You know he did it.
Speaker 4: It's just funny because it's just like all teams, it
Speaker 4: just seems it's like he's made it just as crazy.
Speaker 4: It's the Patriots. And it's not like he had took
Speaker 4: a full swinging kick to the groin. It was like
Speaker 4: a totally ridiculous thing to do in this situation, this
Speaker 4: little tap walking by. It was like, what are you doing, man,
Speaker 4: what are you doing?
Speaker 2: I don't sure there's I mean, yeah, like a severe
Speaker 2: kick would be to a different degree. But the entire
Speaker 2: concept is in a really rough place.
Speaker 3: To begin with that.
Speaker 1: Year where he did a QB slide with like his
Speaker 1: foot up trying to hit a guy's yards like he
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. He fights dirty and you
Speaker 1: just don't see that at the quarterback position. It's like
Speaker 1: the glamour position. But there's nothing glamorous about mac Jones.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just like maybe you can respect it
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of pluck there. Like he'll do
Speaker 1: what it takes. He's that guy that in the fight,
Speaker 1: like he'll guide, he'll he'll gouge your eyeball out if
Speaker 1: he has to. He does not care. He'll use the
Speaker 1: broken bottle, He'll do anything he could do to get
Speaker 1: away with it and win. He's a real patriot.
Speaker 4: He's a great I mean, this is like a great
Speaker 4: symbol of the post Tom Brady era patriots, Like, hey,
Speaker 4: we might be mediocre, but we'll tap your on the
Speaker 4: way by. It's like, what's going on.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a Dan Campbell kind of guy. Like
Speaker 1: Campbe would be like, yeah, that's that. That's what when
Speaker 1: Campbell talks about will bite your kneecaps off. You'll do
Speaker 1: anything to win, even if it's underhanded. That's a competitor
Speaker 1: that you like. I bet if you asked Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: about this, he'd be like, that's I'm totally cool with
Speaker 1: it all right right. Finally, in other Patriots news, Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick was on the Greg Hill Show on WEEI in
Speaker 1: Boston and he was asked and I got a kick
Speaker 1: out of this because it's just funny, like imagining Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick is like a real person who has takes, Like
Speaker 1: what are his thoughts? Like does he find Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: physically attractive? For instance? Oh yeah, hubba hubba. Bill likes
Speaker 1: him some, Taylor. Because this is what he had to
Speaker 1: say about the reports and almost the confirmation that chiefs
Speaker 1: tight End Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift are now an item.
Speaker 1: Dish sister, where do.
Speaker 2: You fall on that Travis kelce Taylor Swift power couple
Speaker 2: in the NFL.
Speaker 9: Travis Kelsey has had a lot of big catches in
Speaker 9: his career. This would be the biggest.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't want to get into Bill's personal business,
Speaker 1: but he's had he had a very public long term girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Linda Holiday, and I think that relationship ran its course
Speaker 1: this year. That means Bill's single, ready to mingle, and
Speaker 1: maybe this is his I'm just throwing this out there
Speaker 1: as a theory that he knows that the Swift Kelsey
Speaker 1: romance is probably more fling than a serious and now
Speaker 1: he's be known his thoughts about Taylor Swift in terms
Speaker 1: of what she is in terms of like where she
Speaker 1: stacks up as a romantic partner, which apparently to Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick is very high.
Speaker 4: This is a disturbing theory. I did not see you
Speaker 4: taking it in this direction.
Speaker 1: But like it checks out, like you don't want to
Speaker 1: think she's a great catch, the greatest catch he ever made.
Speaker 1: This is a one of the greatest tight ends who's
Speaker 1: ever lived.
Speaker 4: Did he pre write that though, because that was a
Speaker 4: pretty good line. If did he know the question was
Speaker 4: coming and men had that ready?
Speaker 1: This is a pretty good question. Listen and watch again
Speaker 1: because you could see maybe are his gears turning where
Speaker 1: he's looking to recite or does it seem like it's
Speaker 1: just rolling off his tongue. Let's let's watch again.
Speaker 3: Where do you fall on that? Travis Kelcey Taylor Swift
Speaker 3: power couple in the NFL.
Speaker 9: Travis Kelsey has had a lot of big catches in
Speaker 9: his career. This would be the biggest it.
Speaker 2: So it feels it does feel like he's operating almost
Speaker 2: off like a que card or a mental cue card.
Speaker 2: But I am on trying to imagine a world where
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick agreed to go into any media situation with
Speaker 2: a pre planned answer to something playful and Joe he
Speaker 2: just looks Jovie like that. It just doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick would do any of that work. I thought
Speaker 2: it was I'm taking this whole Taylor swift and being like,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of buying it at face value. Like I
Speaker 2: got up super early this morning to watch like Travis
Speaker 2: Kelcey's like SNL appearance.
Speaker 3: And I was like, these two kind of like fit together.
Speaker 2: They just fit together, Like I kind of think this
Speaker 2: is great, and I know there's some is it real?
Speaker 3: Is it not real?
Speaker 2: Like I heard people saying they didn't think that was
Speaker 2: actually Travis Kelcey leaving the locker room, whether that's that
Speaker 2: is an idiot's commentary, it they are.
Speaker 4: I think on the conspiracy theory, Mark doesn't believe in I.
Speaker 3: Don't believe in plenty of them, and that's definitely one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: It's like I just think that, Look, there's something about
Speaker 2: the way she operated up in that suite with the
Speaker 2: mom where I was like.
Speaker 3: I kind of buy this.
Speaker 2: I think she I think they dig each other and
Speaker 2: I think that you've got Jason Kelcey kind of confirming
Speaker 2: it verbally too, at different time points in time, and
Speaker 2: it's like the whole family seems kind of excited about
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I want to believe in it.
Speaker 4: I think I think Bill's with you, and I think
Speaker 4: Bill just he just loves love, and I think he
Speaker 4: just loves beating the New York Jets. He's never in
Speaker 4: a better mood than the twenty four hours after beating
Speaker 4: the New York Jets. I'm not even joking. I have
Speaker 4: noticed this. He's just it's just true. Watch is pres
Speaker 4: conference yesterday, he was glowing. They're like they're like one
Speaker 4: in two and could barely do anything in that game.
Speaker 1: And he was like, tell me about over the Moon.
Speaker 1: You know what's worse than the getting beat all the
Speaker 1: time by Tom Brady's Patriots. It's getting beat by the
Speaker 1: Patriots when they stink that's not a good team, but
Speaker 1: they still win. And tell the shift that has that
Speaker 1: song Cardigan, And when I felt like I was an
Speaker 1: old Cardigan under someone's bed, you put me on and
Speaker 1: said I was your favorite. Imagine imagine the next t
Speaker 1: Swift tour and she changes the lyrics to Sleeveless Hoodie.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you Bill put his hat in the ring
Speaker 1: with that comment. Oh she's into jocks are and I'm
Speaker 1: the greatest coach of all time. See what she thinks
Speaker 1: about that. You say it's disturbing. I say he's a man.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean he might need Andy Reid you
Speaker 2: know before.
Speaker 1: It's almost like something she.
Speaker 4: Has this equation.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that that now she must be
Speaker 1: with Bill, I'll check. I'm saying sometimes we view these
Speaker 1: larger than life legendary NFL figures, it's almost like human
Speaker 1: statues and not men of flesh and blood that have
Speaker 1: feelings and desires. And I think Bills Bill's in the ring.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know what We've been to enough combines
Speaker 2: and owners meetings to understand that many of these coaches
Speaker 2: are flesh and blood and have desires. I would just
Speaker 2: say from a distance, that's overtly, that's very that's verified.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we should move on from the story, because.
Speaker 4: This should be the way we we wrap up every
Speaker 4: at n after dark Monday night, is with the story
Speaker 4: just like this.
Speaker 1: Just like talking about just talking about Bills, like single life,
Speaker 1: the town I live in that like the singles bars
Speaker 1: the Purple Orchid and just imagining Bill belly up at
Speaker 1: the bar getting a rum. Did you watch the game
Speaker 1: on surveying the scene?
Speaker 4: Hey, look, there was a time and Mark might remember
Speaker 4: this where he was on the wrong side of the
Speaker 4: New York tabloids for some stories went back absolutely giants
Speaker 4: that he was not appreciating that sort of coverage. But
Speaker 4: that was a much younger Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this would not be a new concept to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: According to the tabloid reports from back then.
Speaker 1: He's a man of flesh and blood and desire. All right,
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Speaker 1: keeps turning. Anything else, that's it. Everybody, enjoy your Tuesday
Speaker 1: and until Wednesday. His hat's in the ring. Hats in
Speaker 1: the ring. Heed the call.