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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Scott, I'm Evan, Novie Williams, and I'm Michael Barr.

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Speaker 1: And this is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast, where

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Speaker 1: we again, when are you going to start chastising him?

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Speaker 1: What am I going to say? Participate? What? What are

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Speaker 1: you gonna say? You're like, you're the big toe. It's

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Speaker 1: actually gonna get me to participate if it gets us

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Speaker 1: help me. We could talk about personal stuff, Evan, if

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Speaker 1: you like. No, Uh, since I'm the sergeant Hulka, we

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Speaker 1: explore Oh he didn't get the bill, Murray, you're the

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Speaker 1: big toe. I can't. I can't say the rest of it.

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Speaker 1: But no, but hey, we're going to explore the worlds. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We gotta start with the NBA and uh, it looks

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Speaker 1: like they're breaking fresh ground for sports with the first

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Speaker 1: gambling dadda deal. And this is something that Evan was

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Speaker 1: all over. Yeah, the first the first time that that

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Speaker 1: a league in the US has has signed a data deal.

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Speaker 1: Um and essentially for for folks out there who are

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Speaker 1: a little confused about what that means. Uh, the NBA

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Speaker 1: what time was it scored, etcetera, etcetera. UM and these

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Speaker 1: two firms, sport Genius Sports and sport Radar, take that

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Speaker 1: data and they turn that into the things that Sports

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Speaker 1: Better has bet on. Right, So all the in game betting,

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Speaker 1: all the live odds changes, all that that all comes

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Speaker 1: those two firms just signed a deal with NBA giving

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Speaker 1: them access to to the data UM and they will

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Speaker 1: in turn go to your MGMs, your Caesar's, your Draft Kings,

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Speaker 1: your fan duels, and they will package that and sell

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Speaker 1: it to those operators. Oh man, if you have any questions,

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Speaker 1: you can tweet at. I mean, see here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Because problem. I work in New York and I drive

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, pull over over and I make my

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Speaker 1: I good. What do you think about this? Is there

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Speaker 1: is there a market for this? EPP? And can I

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Speaker 1: I placed the bet for them because I'm in New

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Speaker 1: veg just like any book you would. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: do that. Yeah you'd end up in jail. But you

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Speaker 1: because there there are there are people in Vegas that

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Speaker 1: I know you guys direct message at New Jersey, you

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Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. I'll find a way around it.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry. My buddy used to have his book. Remember

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Speaker 1: MLB is also signed with MGM, a similar deal to

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Speaker 1: so these are deals. MGM is is the official gaming

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Speaker 1: there have not been None of these deals are exclusive.

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Speaker 1: So you know, if you're Caesar's, you can sign a

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Speaker 1: he's clearly doing something that is that that it may

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Speaker 1: all their business. And just to put a bow on this,

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Speaker 1: fully up and operating place bets, bring me my moonshine

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Speaker 1: and fireworks. Thank you, Michael Barrow. Okay, let's get you know,

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Speaker 1: for people who don't know Cindy Hyde Smith, she won

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Speaker 1: But I don't think you can kind of separate Major

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Speaker 1: Can I can I get with Jim McMahon, Jimmy, give

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