WEBVTT - Living with Robots: Can we build a better bot? 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:13.640 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.280 My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.560 we just finished talking about old people in robots a 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.400 little bit in our last Living with Robots podcast, because 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.200 as we discussed there, we're looking at a future full 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.120 of old people. I mean we will probably we're going 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.360 to be some of those old people properly and uh, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.479 and somebody's gonna have to look after them, after them, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.840 and they're gonna be fewer young people to take care 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.520 of all these old people. Young people will be busy 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.600 doing their stuff and you know, going into space and 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.159 all that, and they're gonna leave this this planet. Are 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:45.800 you saying they're the young people are going in the 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.560 generation ship and they're leaving off the old people behind. Yeah, 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.280 we'll have an oldie planet. I mean it'll be very peaceful, 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.560 lots of parks, lots of feeding scorel maybe maybe because 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.320 as we discussed in the last podcast, it could be 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.200 a bunch of rotting, uh, senior citizens with their exo 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.080 skeletons just skating right past you. You don't even you 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.440 don't know well, In this podcast, we're gonna explore this 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.080 topic a little a little closer, um, and a little 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.600 deeper and really get down into the nitty gritty of 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.119 our all Right, So we we want robots to help 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.080 take care of the elderly, or we want them to 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.839 take care of the elderly entirely. UM, let's start hashing 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.040 out some designs because, needless to say, you're common assembly 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.520 line robot is incapable of caring for Grandma. I mean 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.440 it there's a you go you you see like an 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.800 assembly line robot. It's gonna have barriers up around it 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.479 because it cannot work safely next to humans. And what 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.440 we're talking about here is is is a much I mean, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.960 it's very far removed from that concept because it has 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.360 to be able to work around people without killing them. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:53.840 Not only that, it has to be able to do 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:58.280 things like help a fragile individual with daily tasks such 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.880 as you know, get getting in and out of the bathtub, 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.400 using the restroom, helping them feed them, helping them to 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.680 know what kind of medication to take in any given time, 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.680 and anticipate their needs. That's huge, and do all this 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.840 while moving around in a human environment and potentially feeding 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.239 off of of human you know, these human cues and 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.080 human emotional cues. I mean, how hard is it to 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.840 understand what's going on in the mind of of of 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.760 the average person around you. Um, it's fairly difficult. But 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.880 but could we make a robot that could possibly at 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.840 least get some of those the subtle clues? Well if 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.960 they're trying, right, right, And that's that's what we're gonna 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.639 talk about today. Can we build a better bot? And 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.320 you know, what are some of the challenges? Um? And 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.560 and right now, I mean again, let's just talk about 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.600 the aging population again real quick. Particularly in Japan. It's 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.760 called the gray Yen. Um. It is called that because 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.960 it's providing a growing market in Japan for these services. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.720 The Gray Yan almost of the population is over the 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.400 age of sixty five. And they can also this is 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.880 the other note to this, they can also afford a 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.760 bit more. The jet black Yen buys a lot of 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:12.000 toys though, and electronic gadgets, yes, yes. And the Sterling 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.600 it just means you get to hang out with Richard 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:19.160 Branson on one of his shuttle flights. It's called the 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.160 Gray Yen Shuttle flight Sterling. Alright, I like this. I 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.440 like this. The economy of the nation as divided up 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.840 into hair colors. Oh, I was thinking it was. I 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.239 was thinking it was more like the American Express card, 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.119 like the platinum and the red yen is is really adventurous? 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.760 Not going right? That dyed red hair. Yes, yeah, they're 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:43.200 all loose watch out with excess skeletons and the red yen. Yeah. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:44.960 And then there's I guess the blonde yin because you 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:49.600 have the what there's a particular fad in Japan where 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.720 the women dress up like like dolls. Why is this 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.480 saluting me? Um? It's not. Is it part of kawaii? 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:03.200 It factors into kauai. But there's a there's this, yes, 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.080 and then there's a Lolita noir where they dressed up 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.720 like dark Lolita's. And there's a whole other by the way, 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.840 there's a whole they're like underground economy with the Lolita girls. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.600 By the way, an older men, but we won't talk 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:21.000 about that today. Uh, getting back on track. Um, so yeah, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.479 we're talking about you know this, this aging population of 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.880 old men looking for Lolita's. Um and just again to 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.680 put this in more context, by four out of ten, 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.120 Japanese will be classified as elderly. Okay, So it makes 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.000 sense that they're the ones that are really going after 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.480 this this problem of aging really um. And in fact 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.559 there's just so you know how they've been preparing. There's 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.200 actually a Tokyo based company called prop that has created 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.080 air bags for the elderly. Yes, you send me the 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.520 link to this, and it's it's pretty fascinating because it's 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.159 kind of exactly what it sounds like. It's like this 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.960 kind of robotic harness that you wear, and it had 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.919 as these air bags that will sort of shoot up 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.960 around the head and around the hips because these are 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:09.000 of course the most vulnerable areas of the old body. Um, 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.919 you don't want to hit your head, damns the brain, 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.880 you don't want to hit the hips. Very difficult to 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.800 deal with, you. So these are cushions that pop up. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.880 They weigh two and a half pounds each enter tied 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.120 around the waist and then they're activated by electric sensors 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.320 that can feel a sudden change in movement as soon 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.480 as the alarm goes off. Fifteen liters of compressed air 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.279 inject into these inflatable pads, puff them up and then 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.839 ideally when you fall backwards, and you can only fall 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.440 backwards this right, by the way, never pitch forward. Right. Well, 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.760 I guess it's kind of like in um to bring 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.839 up pro wrestling again. Like a lot of those guys 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.480 like they trained to take bumps and they try they 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.200 generally you want to bump right on your back. And 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.800 I've I've heard some of these guys talk about like 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.800 they trained so this locker room talk. No, well, I 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.560 don't go to locker rooms, but room the bump, bump 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.240 on your back? What does that mean? To take a 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.200 bump is to fall Like any time in a wrestling mat, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.279 for see a guy like take a punch or a 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.280 slam and he hits the canvas, He's taking a bump, okay, 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.080 And so they trained for this just to to take 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.440 the bump in an optimal fashion so that it doesn't 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.560 really do much damage. I mean, it will do a 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.960 lot of damage over time perhaps, but generally you want 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.919 to fall flat on your back and take this flat 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.160 bump on your back. And I've heard some of these 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.360 guys talk about to where they're they're trained to such 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.160 a point that if they were to slip on milk 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.719 in the grocery store, they would take up a back 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.960 bump because you don't want to fall on your side 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.719 or could be a useful skill. Right. So I'm thinking 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.880 you just need to train up the elderly. I think 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.240 the elderly professional wrestlers in Japan will will be the 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.240 really be the ones to try this out. Yeah, I'm 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.559 just thinking about whole Kogan, like, you know, uh, carrying 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.560 out these workshops for the elderly. Yeah. But you know, 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.800 here's the thing though, too, that that's so cool about 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:58.200 these airbags is that they can inflate in point one second, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.680 the time it takes for an old person to topple. Yeah. Um, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.800 so actually that's really helpful. I mean if you're going 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.400 to fall backward right um. And then there are partner 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.480 robots that toyota Is has been creating and getting into 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.760 the game of offering assistance for the elderly and the disabled. Yeah. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.120 In fact, this is just like we're recording this what 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.320 this is the second week in November the first I 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.240 really can't keep track of this, okay, and and I 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.360 have no idea when it's actually publishing, like the third 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.800 or fourth week. Yeah, for you, it's like Halloween and 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.040 then nothing else right, I'm getting it. Yeah, after Halloween 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.560 is just this busy mess of holidays. Yeah, visits and 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.560 trips and da da dada. Yeah. But um but but anyway, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.680 so that this first week of November actually a two 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.720 thousand eleven Toyota Motor Corporation in Toyota City in Japan. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.680 I somehow was not aware that they Toyota had its 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:54.800 own city in Japan. It's pretty um they were. They 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.000 were really launching forward with this idea that Toyota is 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.360 really concerned about about working on these bots, making a 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.480 making a priority and partner bots are a big deal, 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.000 and and and not just in nursing and healthcare, but 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.720 also in personal transport, manufacturing, domestic duties like this all 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.400 goes into the idea of if we are going to 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.680 develop a future of work where robots are doing work 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.440 for us, we want to develop robots that can learn 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.800 tasks alongside humans and then eventually do them on their own. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.560 Can you get that peanut butter for me? Right? So, so, 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.119 like the first logical step, well maybe not the first, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.120 but one of the first logical steps definitely a stopover 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.160 on the way to this future is the reality of 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.319 helper bots. A bot that's going to help a human 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:44.000 with various tasks. So you end up with basically like 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.080 four different areas that that are essential as laid out 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.839 by Toyota. One independent walk assist all right, and this 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.960 is the idea of just supporting independent walking for people 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.120 whose ability has been impaired. UM. So these are sort 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.800 of like you fit your legs into this device, yes, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.880 and it will actually help you. It's it's kind of 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.679 has some sort of nomadic device in it, but it 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:08.040 will help you actually get upstairs, walk around. Yeah, it's 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.400 like an exosuth skeleton, or at least a limited exo skeleton. Um. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:16.120 No nanocarbon tubes in it. Strength, No like super Terminator 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:20.120 power armor with with power axes and all that. But 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.400 but but still you know it's it's the the the 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.040 idea is that say the legs are weak or inoperable, 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.720 but the exo skeleton around them can help do the 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:32.080 walking or do the walking for them. Um. While training 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:36.120 assists this is uh, this is a similar Balanced training assists. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.520 This is like robots developed to support balance function training 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.800 with people with impaired balance. So it's think a combination 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.880 of a two wheeled self balancing type deal with game 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.120 elements aimed at making this kind of training enjoyable, right, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.120 So I mean that would be actually really helpful if 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.600 you're if you're going through physical therapy as well, right, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.720 we're trying to regain and also bear in mind you're 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.800 like gaming old people. But come on, we're talking about 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.480 a lot. We're talking in a large part about today's uh, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.480 young or middle aged people, many of whom are gamers especially. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.840 You know, Japan has a big gaming culture as well. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.760 So imagine in the future, Yeah, there's gonna be Gamification 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.800 of physical therapy is just a no brainer. Right. So 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.160 right now there would be like a bingo program, right, 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:20.959 but in the future it would be like, uh, I 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:26.240 don't know what like World of Warcraft for for our generation, yeah, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.160 or whatever, these retro games whatever is big in Japan. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.040 I don't know, the World of Warcraft is big in Japan. Yeah, 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.440 but I'm just saying, like we're like Futson around in 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.000 our sunset years will be like, oh, let me just 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.880 program this World Warcraft and and think about those great 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:46.480 fuzzy memories of playing in my yester year yeah years. Uh. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.160 And then the fourth area is patient Transfer assist and 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.600 this is really I found this would be the most exciting. 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.240 And this is the the idea that a lot of 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.920 caring for not only the elderly, but anyone who, like, 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.199 even people were just really sick before hospital for various things. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.400 A lot of the caregiving comes down to moving the 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.679 patient around. Yeah, and it's physically demanding forge because yeah, 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.040 because you're having to move. Just if you're moving a person, 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.320 say they're not even particularly fragile, they don't have anything 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.320 particularly wrong with them, you're still talking about moving a 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.560 sizeable person from say their bad to a bathtub, from 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.319 their bed to a toilet, moving them around just enough 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.079 to even uh uh you know, to bathe them with 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.920 a sponge bath or or or administer or bed pan 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.360 type situation, or just to prevent bed sores and really 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.720 immobile people. Um. The idea is that you have a 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.720 robot with like a weight supporting arm that actually helps out. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.040 And some some really cool pictures of this um also 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.560 surfaced from this Toyota event. And and then they're they're 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.400 really cool because and I'm not I mean, they're also 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.199 easy to kind of make fun of because it's like 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.560 it's a robot helping a dude set on a toilet 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.800 while a nurse helps. But but the thing is, like, 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.040 if you put yourself in the in the mindset of 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.760 that dude or that nurse, like this is awesome because 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.400 suddenly you have a situation where only one nurse has 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.920 to help this guy go to the bathroom, which is 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.400 great for the nurses, great for the guy, and eventually 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.400 could lead to the situation where this dude can have 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.720 assistance using the restroom. Um, you know, the very private 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.400 act that none of us want help with. I mean, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.400 most of us don't want We don't want help with 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.959 it unless we're we're very young or very weird. We 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:28.160 don't judge fetish. Okay, all right, right, if you like 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.200 help going to the bathroom, that's great. But and if 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.360 you but if you, but the idea is if the 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.880 robot is helping you, then every I think more people 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:41.760 can get into the idea. And independence two, which is 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.120 a really important um you know when you're aging and 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.360 um And again importantly, also if you're staffing a hospital 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.200 to care for older people, the idea that one person 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.080 or even zero actual humans are having to help with 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:59.320 this task and they can therefore apply their skills elsewhere well, 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.560 you know that I that I love potty humor and um, 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.600 so of course when you showed me the video, I 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.720 was going to react to it. But it wasn't just 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.040 because the guy was being you know, I was sitting 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.080 on the toilet with assistance. It was that he was 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.920 wearing like like we're jogging pants, like you know, the 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.800 ones that are really tight, and they were black and shiny, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.320 and then as you described, like this this sort of 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:26.719 prison yellow and white striped shirt and pants over that. Well, yeah, 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.800 well Toyota didn't want to actually bring a guy in 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.920 stage and have a robot with pants down. I appreciate that. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.080 It was just really distracting because I was like, I 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.840 don't get it. Is he going to go running after this? 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.560 Is he in prison both? I don't know. Yeah, well 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.120 they could have gone more in the direction of the 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:51.120 fire toilet. Remember the gator, that's that's what's coming home. Yeah. Yeah, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.120 but you're right. This was just in case anybody's never 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.959 seen this, you can go onto YouTube and see this 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.000 and uh, there is a woman that is using a toilet. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.600 It that is uh, it's the fire toilet, right is Yeah, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.000 it's basically a fire toilet. It's gas powered or gas 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.679 powered flames down there that incinerate the the waste product 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.280 that the one produces on the toilet. And again, this 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.719 is fine, this is great, it's actually using navy ships. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.240 But again I take issue with the aesthetics of it 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:24.000 because the woman, uh, she starts this video and she's 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.040 got like, I don't know, maybe like a hundred keys 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.680 on a ring, So you're kind of like, what's the deal, 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.960 why do you have a hundred keys? And then she's 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.320 got you know, maybe some sort of like Eastern block accent. Fine, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.720 but it just sort of adds to this ap like 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.280 there's no nudity in it, but she's like visibly she's 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.520 obviously dropping pants. She's not wearing some sort of black 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.000 garment underneath. And and then there's actual flaming poosh shown, 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.920 the flaming poush shown. They cut to a shot of 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.280 her with all you know, her pants DOWMP, but then 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.360 she's taken her boots and her socks off. It's all 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.760 very It just gets weirder and weirder the longer this 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.160 video goes on, a little bit like this podcast right now, well, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.200 you can go weird either way with with um with 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.120 some sort of toilet technology demo, and that is to 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.840 either go realistic or go um with a black body 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.360 suit underneath your clothing. Yeah yeah, so okay, I got 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.800 my attention. Nonetheless, so let's let's talk nuts and bolts 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.160 about this too. Like, you know what, when we're talking 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.840 about building a better boty and we're really thinking about 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.880 it more as you know, we're gonna anthropomorphise it and 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.720 think about it as us. Right, this is this version 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.640 of ourselves. What are we thinking about? Well, one of 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.840 the big things is sensitivity to the environment that the 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.640 robot is working in and um on one level, that 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:36.800 involves just being able to move through it, being able 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.120 to navigate it, but also being able to just think 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.160 of your sense of touch. Um. Like. The best example 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.680 of this for me would be astronaut gloves. Like, one 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.000 of the big issues with astronaut gloves has been you 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:49.600 you put these guys up in space and they're gonna 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.360 be working on something really delicate, but they can't just 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.080 take their gloves off and work with their bare hands. Obviously, 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.200 they have to wear gloves, and you cannot wear normal gloves, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.040 especially normal big thick gloves or space without losing a 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.760 certain amount of sensitivity. Now, with a robot you're building, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.680 you're just building it all up from the bottom up. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.280 So like where do you where do you put the 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.280 sensors on the on the feelers or on the body itself? Uh? 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.280 Could you give it a skin that enables it to 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.840 feel all over like a person? Right, so if it 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.760 bumped into you, it would know, It would know if 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.440 you bumped into it. And I also just think of manipulation, 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.720 Like even just imagine that the robot just had the 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.680 feeling of a human hand on its manipulators. It would 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.680 enable it to be far more delicate with something. Uh. 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.520 And in this case, it would be handling delicate things. 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.400 It would be handling us sponge bath for instance. Right, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.120 you don't want something that's just a big metal um 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.440 claw on the end of a of an arm. You 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.160 want something that has a certain amount of sensitivity to it. Right, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.400 you don't want to get bashed over the head with 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.840 a bar of soap. Yeah. Um. So yeah, there's this 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.080 thing called robot skin. And this says this is from 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.360 a Fast Companies article. Robot skin can feel touched, sense chemicals, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.120 and soak up solar power. It says, what we're talking 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:04.040 about is a super intelligent skin designed by Stanford University researcher. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.360 It's solar powered and when the skin is subjected to pressure, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.800 the current flowing through the embedded transistors is modified as 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:15.400 tiny pyramid shapes molded into the polymer layer compress, resulting 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:19.320 in a super sensitive transducer that can apparently detect the 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.439 pressure from a house flies feet So cool criss cross 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.000 nanimator scale wires talk with a thin rubber sheet. I 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.199 like it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just think that 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.760 it's it's an amazing technology in and of itself. And 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.479 of course they think that too, because it's not just 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.399 for androids all that that's what was intended for um, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.920 they can also use it to coat cars or military 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:45.280 vehicles or even soldiers uniforms could act as biosensors and 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:50.359 solar power generators. And also think of the possibilities for prosthetics. Yeah, 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.120 and again for um, for astronaut gloves or or even 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:58.879 like forget the astronaut, for um, like a robotic exploring 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.400 probe where a person could say, put on a pair 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.840 of a pair of gloves on Earth and feel with 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:10.400 the very human tactile response. Uh An object on another planet, right, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.800 and try to describe that in the texture of it 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.800 and so on and so forth. Um, of course I 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.960 can't help but think that it's going to be used 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.520 on Roxy the robot. This is the sex spot. Yeah, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.680 but that's on the market right now. Yeah, but that's 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:31.160 in the words of of Arkin, the professor. Arkin, that's 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.919 a bad robot. That's just not like a very good robot. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.679 I know, but it's something that could sor But I 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.480 don't see Roxy getting the kind of funding where she 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.600 can benefit from this kind of Seah. They're going to 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:48.200 have to do something about that tinny voice first. Yeah, 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.960 you know it says things like that gets me hot. Well, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.199 well you bring up Roxy. As I recall, Roxy was 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.480 originally a nursing project and then they decided that they 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.240 wanted to make some fast cash on it. Yeah, that's 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.840 how all innovation seems to be generated these days. But 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.000 let's talk about let's talk about this thing called the 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:10.480 jazz robot and mirror neurons, because this is really important, um, 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.960 in terms of how we communicate with one another, right, Yeah, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.120 and this comes down to it again. We're talking about 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.040 you want to robot that can live in a human environment, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.639 which is not just dealing with a human space in 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.560 a safe way, but also dealing with the presence of 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:27.000 humans and being able to read them and uh and 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.639 so this this is something that just comes naturally to 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.520 humans because we have we we grow up around other humans, 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.560 most humans anyway. Um, we we have this theory of mind. 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.399 And anytime you're encountering somebody, you're you're picking up in 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.120 so many different things. You're picking up on on what 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:45.040 they're saying, their tone there there, what their eyes are doing, 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.480 what their hands are doing, what they're you know, their 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.960 basic expression, their body language, all these different factories because 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.320 you're trying to get into their head, right, which inadvertently 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.680 allows you to empathize with another person. Right, yeah, right, 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.280 And so like if you smile, than then you know, 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.080 somewhere in my muscles I start to smile back, and 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:05.840 I started to start to send these signals to my 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.240 brain that this is funny or we're having fun or 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.440 or something along those lines, right, And that's how that's 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.560 how we communicate with one another, right, We we read 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.800 so many different signals. So could you could you create 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.280 a robot create more to the point, could you create 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.040 an artificial intelligence, so it's capable of quickly analyzing all 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.920 that data and at least getting some somewhats of what 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:30.359 the mood is because uh, and imagine in a nursing environment. Uh, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.280 this would in theory enable a robot to tell if 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.520 an individual was having some sort of an episode, if 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:38.760 they were they were distraught over something, if they were 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.879 in pain. Uh. I mean, especially with I'm thinking of 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.240 like Alzheimer's patients. Uh, you know, off hand, because a 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.800 lot of times these are people who aren't in a 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:53.000 condition anymore to really express what they're feelings, you know, 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:54.560 so you really need a human to be able to 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.680 check on them. But if the human is not immediately available, 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:58.960