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Speaker 1: Welcome back to More to It, to show that takes

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment,

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Speaker 1: and culture, start with headline news and then journey to

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Speaker 1: deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are presented

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Speaker 1: in every single story. I'm your host for ourselfswhially that dude? Yeah, baby,

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Speaker 1: almost spinning, They spending, they spinning. What's up y'all, y'all

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Speaker 1: know what this is. It's never shut up baby. Where

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Speaker 1: we learn those life lessons through entertainment and sports while

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Speaker 1: covering the media like no one else.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Love for you guys, as you got love for your

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Speaker 1: boy out here. And you know how we start off

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Speaker 1: every show, well, what's up with that dude? Well, yesterday

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Speaker 1: I continued on my journey of weight loss through natural

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Speaker 1: ways of losing weight because I was sick, man, I

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Speaker 1: was whoa every hole I had.

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Speaker 2: Something was coming let me stop, all right.

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Speaker 1: So basically I was just throwing up and leaking and

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Speaker 1: it was bad. But uh, I'm good now it passed through,

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Speaker 1: your boy, it was all good. I did not eat

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Speaker 1: all day yesterday, and then last night my wife was

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Speaker 1: like have you eaten? And I was like no, and

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Speaker 1: that was all I needed to hear. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what she said to me other than that, but it

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Speaker 1: just sounded like she said, go get some neat. It's

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Speaker 1: all I had was some chicken noodle soup. What is

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Speaker 1: it about? What did they do to us growing up?

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Speaker 1: What did campbells do to us? Because I was like,

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Speaker 1: I ain't had no chicken noodle soup and forever, and frankly,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even craving it, but it just felt like

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Speaker 1: I'm sick. I need chicken noodle soup. And it hit

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Speaker 1: the spot. I opened up three cans of that time too.

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Speaker 1: I ain't finished all three, but two and a half.

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Speaker 2: I was in the zone, y'all. Oh man.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, yesterday we had practice my son basketball practice.

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Speaker 1: So long story short, he switched where he's playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you how it starts. This high it starts.

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Speaker 1: We started off, okay, he can't play for his school

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Speaker 1: because his school, let's just say, is athletically challenge, academically inclined,

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Speaker 1: athletically challenge. The little kids all of them got left feet,

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Speaker 1: and like four of them, not even two of them,

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Speaker 1: four of them, right, So they all good kids, but

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Speaker 1: very few athletes. There very few, but they're there. So

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Speaker 1: we're like, not playing at school. So then you don't

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Speaker 1: play at the school. You go to the local park, right,

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Speaker 1: and then you find a convenient park around you and

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Speaker 1: you just hope. And there were some good kids there.

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Speaker 2: The rules and.

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Speaker 1: Some of the issues there made us say, we need

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Speaker 1: a little different level of competition, a little more focused,

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Speaker 1: and let them play basketball more. It was turned into

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Speaker 1: football out there a little bit, you know, local stuff.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Then we drive way out like twenty thirty minutes. So

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Speaker 1: we go to the Sports Academy, which is really good.

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Speaker 1: It's what Kobe Bryant owned at first the Mamba Academy,

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Speaker 1: then they sold that after his death and now it's

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Speaker 1: called the Sports Academy. You walk up in there, you

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Speaker 1: literally think you at the NBA Combines.

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Speaker 2: It's for eight year olds.

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Speaker 1: It's like nine thousand kids playing basketball.

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Speaker 2: But what I love about it this one. Soon as

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Speaker 2: you see that, you realize, oh, you ain't the only

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Speaker 2: one that won't this. That's good.

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Speaker 1: That's a good lesson. Second thing is you see the

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Speaker 1: level of competition. You're like, these kids can play cat's

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Speaker 1: doing behind the back, doing step backs, doing euro steps

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Speaker 2: But MJ out there balling, y'all. MJ big man. He

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Speaker 2: a young He a youngster for his age group, like

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Speaker 1: It's fun to see because he's stepping up to what's

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Speaker 1: they try to plus him, and then it's just that

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Speaker 1: good osmosis going on. So it's fun to see. So

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Speaker 2: Me and Jesse our coach. We got a good squad.

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Speaker 2: We undefeated.

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Speaker 1: We played the undefeated team this weekend on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Wish us well.

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Speaker 1: Then I was driving home from practice and I was

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Speaker 1: listening to a show that I like, and it's actually

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Speaker 1: The Stephen Asen Smith Show, which is his podcast. So

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Speaker 1: I was listening to that and I'm a big stephen

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Speaker 1: I do the truth and then that's it. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak to you. If you don't like me,

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Speaker 1: that's a one way street. I still mess with you.

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Speaker 1: So I still listen to his show, and I listen

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Speaker 1: to his show, and I caught some sneak dissing, right,

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Speaker 1: So now I don't want Stephen A.

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Speaker 2: Smith to respond to me. I'm just telling y'all how

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Speaker 2: I am. This is me to.

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Speaker 1: Y'all, not me to him. I don't need a response.

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Speaker 1: I'm not built for that. I'm not in that game.

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Speaker 2: But I heard him sneak discing, and he was talking

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Speaker 2: about people, and it's kind of like I used to

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Speaker 2: talking about horsecope.

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Speaker 1: She ever read a horsecope And it's so general that

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Speaker 1: So I'm not a fan of sneak discing. If he's

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Speaker 1: talking about me, he is. If he's not, Oh well,

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Speaker 1: my bad. I take all this back.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. My coach always told me say

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Speaker 1: names and numbers. So when I talk about somebody, I'm

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Speaker 2: Know they' my friend, even though I'm a fan of them,

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Speaker 2: even though I like him, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say your name and number because I

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Speaker 1: ain't playing that game. You know that game, because that

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Speaker 1: game is the one that gets twisted. You know that's

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Speaker 1: throwing your rocks and I'm throwing the rocks and.

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Speaker 2: Hid in your hands. You know, that's how.

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Speaker 1: Things get really confused out here. I ain't got no

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Speaker 1: problem with Steven A. Smith and or his fans. Y'all

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Speaker 1: can stop beating them up in his comments, and y'all

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Speaker 1: something else about him, or the only thing you do

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Speaker 2: I don't. I got a lot of topics, y'all like

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Speaker 2: to Ceevin A. Smith topics.

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Speaker 1: We know why, so all good, all love always gonna

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Speaker 1: support him as long as he doing what he's doing

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Speaker 1: because I like what he does. That's it, all right,

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Speaker 1: Mike Shepherd, who is from Arlington, Virginia, salute to you, man.

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Speaker 1: Saw you leaving some love for the itty biddies and

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Speaker 2: Also ever speed from wheat Ridge, Colorado. You know that

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Speaker 1: And another mister Anonymous. I love this anonymous. Only thing

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Speaker 2: We'll appreciate it, all right. Speaking of people I love

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Speaker 2: talk about boy right now.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Mackie. Yes, y'all know who Anthony Mackie is. All

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Speaker 1: the way back to what was at eight mile, all

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Speaker 1: the way to now. He is Captain America and that's

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Speaker 1: the homie. But he unsparked a debate after refusing to take.

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Speaker 2: A picture with a young fan.

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Speaker 1: Think the little kid was eleven, even though he been

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Speaker 2: A little bit kid. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: So there was video footage of the incident. They shared

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, here we going. I hate entitled ass fans.

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Speaker 1: I hate entitled people, but fans especially. But let me

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Speaker 1: I even read it. But I said, let me read

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Speaker 1: So he initially denied a request for a picture with

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Speaker 2: The video gained attention.

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Speaker 1: Everybody started talking about it, and basically the beats of

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Speaker 1: it was woman named Andra shared her frustration online because

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Speaker 2: That's what she said.

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Speaker 1: And then Andra's mother, she went up there took the

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Speaker 1: wear him down with this sweetness, right, I go up

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Speaker 1: there with that love.

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Speaker 2: He can't say no to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm an elder, right, And Mackie still declined.

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Speaker 2: So then a few former fans. You know how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you got a narrative out there, people gonna go, oh,

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Speaker 1: so now former fans, former fans.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why they former fans.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Anthony Mackie, this me too, He just me too,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's how it went down.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm not gonna character assassinate the lady, even though

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Speaker 1: there's some pictures and some discovery of her online that

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Speaker 1: says Anthony Mackie shouldn't be the role model for your kid.

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Speaker 2: You should be because you need to fix your life.

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Speaker 1: But I digress, even though I already went there, huh,

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Speaker 1: here we go. Let me talk about the word entitle

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Speaker 1: in this situation. We know where fans are coming from. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I pay your salary, man, I support your movies.

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Speaker 2: I watch you.

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Speaker 1: So you know what, when I get to see you

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Speaker 1: in real life, I know it ain't on the screen,

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Speaker 1: on one. You and I gonna break this little barrier

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Speaker 1: right now, this privacy that you are protected with when

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Speaker 2: Why I really love you. Oh I'm gonna show you

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Speaker 2: all that in public.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So fans walk up to you empowered, entitled because

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Speaker 1: they got, the fanfare, the pandemonium, they're fanatics, they buy

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Speaker 1: And I think people get it lost. You don't know

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Speaker 1: us grow. You know, the more people we're in connection with,

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Speaker 1: the more impact we can have. So that's on you

437
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 1: as well, And you can just leave a donation one time,

438
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 1: one time if you feel like it, all right, let's

439
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,120
Speaker 1: talk about this. Vegas Raiders fan came to the game

440
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 1: and got involved in a little aut cation with a

441
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Speaker 1: Charger fan Homie.

442
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So I go to the Chargers.

443
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: Game this weekend, get there mid to late second quarter

444
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 1: because I was coaching my own team to defeat.

445
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 2: Come on, coach Wiley, what happened to you? Phil Belichick?

446
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 3: Woo.

447
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: Let me just get this out the way.

448
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 1: My son and our team were the youngest team out

449
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 1: there because we all just moved up a group. We

450
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: got eight seasons at this division. Y'all bet what deonceay,

451
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: y'all better get us now. Y'all better get us now

452
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: because we coming now. We gonna probably win the championship

453
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 1: this year. I'm saying it anyway. So I'm up in

454
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 1: the stadium. You know, as soon as you walk in.

455
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: I always video tape my kids going up the stairs

456
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 1: because when they go up the stairs, Wow, you get

457
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 1: to see the lights, You get to see all of

458
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 1: a sudden the stadium, you get to see all of

459
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: a sudden the field and the players.

460
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: I'll show you all the videos. Check my socials sick

461
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 2: and then he's oh, and then you can see the

462
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: kids going there. Then go to our seats. Look around.

463
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 2: It's dark in there because there's Raider fans. It's dark.

464
00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 2: It's like eighty twenty, maybe ninety.

465
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 1: But y'all got to dispel the myth of like, oh,

466
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: y'all fan beast, your fan base is weak.

467
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: That's why it's like that. No way, it ain't.

468
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: Raiders fans sit there and circle the schedule and say

469
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 1: Charger game for show, because it's la simple as that.

470
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: Like when the Raiders had the Pittsburgh Steelers there, the

471
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 1: Steelers fans circle their Raiders game simply because they wanted

472
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: to go to Vegas. It's that simple. So anyway they

473
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: deep up in there, we could see it all that.

474
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,719
Speaker 1: Raider fans are cool with me. I ain't got no

475
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 1: problem with them. They're a little more animated than the normal,

476
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 1: but they ain't tripping all of those masks and costumes.

477
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: That's a real person in there.

478
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: Now.

479
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 1: Not to say that they don't act up, but just

480
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: to say I ain't got no problems with them. All right,

481
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: So the fight began when the Raiders fan confront of

482
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Speaker 1: the Justin Herbert fan wearing a powder blue jersey and

483
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: got in his face. You know how it goes and

484
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: then the Herbert supporter responded head butting them back and

485
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Speaker 1: then delivered the punch w W, knocking them to the ground.

486
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 1: And then after that punch, he was hit by more

487
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: punches and then got pushed down several rolls and stairs.

488
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: So then the dude in this Woodson Jersey intervened to

489
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Speaker 1: break up the fights so it wouldn't go any first

490
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: because already looking real bad out there. All right now,

491
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: nobody knows what happened from that point, at least I don't.

492
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: And we know the Chargers won the game twenty four

493
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: to seventeen. Blah blah blah. Let me tell y'all what's

494
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 1: going on at these games. We used to call them

495
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: the yellow Jackets. Y'all know the yellow jackets, the ushers, right,

496
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: and every game them yellow jackets go to work. Every

497
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: game they got to put out some fights. And then

498
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: amazing the NFL's image. The NFL's like hold togetherness and families,

499
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: and you would think of the NFL as I couldn't

500
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: call it family friendly if you go to the games,

501
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: But I also wouldn't call it a frat party, you know,

502
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: like I bring my kids to the games. I see

503
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: a lot of parents bring their kids to the games,

504
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you bring them to the

505
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Speaker 1: games with a little anxiety like something may go down.

506
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: You know that, But you.

507
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: Also don't go there and say, hey, we about to

508
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: go there and be reckless too. So what's that play here?

509
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: Let me tell you one. And at the Raider games

510
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: they cut off the alcohol at halftime most games. Is

511
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 1: after the third quarter Raider games halftime because every one

512
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: of these incidents, one hundred and one percent of the time,

513
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: alcohol is involved.

514
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: Crazy every single time, y'all.

515
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: Remember this year a guy got killed at the New

516
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: England Patriots game because he got hit hit his head

517
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Speaker 1: on the chair of the ground and then died thereafter.

518
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: I remember when I played against the Raiders twenty some

519
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: years ago. We talking about Qualcobb and a fan got

520
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: stabbed at the game, and I remember reading that, like,

521
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm playing the game and then they up there watching

522
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: us play the game.

523
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: But they got so caught up in it.

524
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Whatever the end it is that they had to go

525
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: to blows to stab it, how do you get away

526
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: there in the first place.

527
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: That's a long time ago.

528
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking through all these stories and I'm like, man,

529
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: I done seen some crazy stuff over the years, and

530
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: a lot of it's been that Chargers Raiders rivalry, right,

531
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: because we all know rivalries are greater by the fans

532
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: than they are by the players, because the players may

533
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: get traded, the players may have homies on the other team.

534
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 2: We going hard, but y'all going way harder. Right.

535
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: So I remember one time to get y'all some just

536
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: some rapid fire stories. I was running, no driving to

537
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: the stadium, running maybe on time. It felt like if

538
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: it was too much traffic, maybe a little late. You

539
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: gotta get there a couple hours before the game, right,

540
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: And I'm like, damn, it's too much traffic. But it

541
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: was the Raiders game.

542
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden the freeway stops.

543
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: And people always think like, how y'all get to the game, Like,

544
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: y'all get to the game. You see that car right

545
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: next to you. Maybe it's a nice car, maybe it's

546
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: not point being that's me. I'm in the car too. Now,

547
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: I maybe tended to the fullest because I ain't trying

548
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: to be dealing with all y'all. Oh my god, that's

549
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: so and so you know whatever it is, but you

550
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: you know you're doing this you seeing the flags go

551
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: by and all that. It's pretty cool, right, great experience.

552
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: But I remember one time, so much traffic it stopped

553
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: freeway not moving at all, and I'm like, damn, gonna

554
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: be late. Come on, man, now I'm thinking about getting

555
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: the shoulder. Look to the side. Guess what's happening. The

556
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: raider fans had stopped the freeway, start tailgating on the freeway,

557
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: barbecue pits out in awe.

558
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, and I can't lie as a player.

559
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: I was hype. I was like, oh, this is dope.

560
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I said, I ain't gonna be late, and if I

561
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: am late, this is the best reason these foods are foods.

562
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: But then I was like I looked at the other side,

563
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: and now see some guy. He just sitting there in

564
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: the middle of the freeway, just peing, just urinating, just

565
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: like whatever.

566
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: Dog like they took over the city.

567
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: That was their way of showing disrespect to San Diego.

568
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: This hour, we stop y'all freeways with pee on y'all streets, etc.

569
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, that was crazy, But they

570
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: don't know how crazy I am. They don't know how

571
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: crazy my family is because we used to happen a

572
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: lot of my games is my family would show up,

573
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: especially my mom, and they come up already hydrated. So

574
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, we got to be at the stadium by eleven.

575
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: I'm leaving at like ten, my mom and them there

576
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: by nine talking about what's up. And I'm like, it's

577
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: so funny because they don't understand, or they do understand

578
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: and don't care.

579
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: I gotta go to work and they like partying.

580
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: So they show up with they kun Chaka vodka, the

581
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: cheap vodka, and they pounding.

582
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: They spend y'all to cheap wine and they lit.

583
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I gotta focus and go to work

584
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: and y'all pumped. So y'all know why some teams still

585
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: even on home games, you gotta go to the hotel

586
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: cause they really want you to be focused because you

587
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: go home and like I did, I was at home

588
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: after the hotel.

589
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: They partied. They are not locked in. It's crazy. And

590
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: then you got to navigate around there.

591
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Hey, they never offered me liquor, like nephew, you want something,

592
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: but they be they already got the links going. They're like,

593
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, pre food all gone. I'm like, Dawn, can

594
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: you call down Cheetos and stuff like that. You know,

595
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: I can't stop eat no Cheetos. I can't no cheetos

596
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: before the game. Just crazy. But I looked at it like, Wow,

597
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: their mindset is I'm about to party up. My mindset

598
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: is I'm about to go out there and put in

599
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: some work and we coexisting, no problem. But then see

600
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: them at the game, they acting a donkey, and then

601
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: after the game coming back.

602
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: To the crib acting even crazier.

603
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: And we used to have some postgame parties that were

604
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: next level, next level, like ballers for real.

605
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: I get into those stories another time. But the one

606
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: time I.

607
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: Went to a Raiders game when I was an active player,

608
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: this is wild. I worked for the NFL Network and

609
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: I was a correspondent. So I'm going to the game

610
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: and I gotta do work, but I wanted to watch

611
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: the game too, and I had to do the postgame

612
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: stuff and the interviews. So I went through the tunnel,

613
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: went through the stadium, went through the corridors, went through

614
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: the sections like a normal fan, and of course I

615
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: got attacked like a charger shit like what up?

616
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: Dog cursing me?

617
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: I mean all in it felt like all in jest,

618
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: all in tongue and cheek, all in the spirit of

619
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: oh we got a rivalry home mee.

620
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: But it was like, why, what the fuck what you

621
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: doing up here? It was so crazy?

622
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Right, Keep it that way, is my point. Keep me

623
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: where we all in on the act.

624
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: We all in on the fund, you know what I mean.

625
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: Let's not go overboard with that.

626
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: Cats getting stabbed, casts getting killed, cats getting knocked downstairs.

627
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: Mom. Man, we better than that.

628
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: Even though we're going against each other no matter in

629
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: this situation, and it stands we all need to win.

630
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: Winners and losers determine on the field, in the stance,

631
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: let us all win. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're back at it, man.

632
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: I'll go on the project Transition DOT or go ahead.

633
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Leave a donation for support of the community and these kids,

634
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: then you get this book. If you leave a recurring donation,

635
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,680
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636
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Speaker 1: sure it's you.

637
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Speaker 2: I want the whole world.

638
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: Yes, my goal for my foundation to help these kids,

639
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Speaker 1: because I know what my heart and my work's gonna

640
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642
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Speaker 1: Your part of the team that makes the impact. These

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Speaker 1: iddy biddies, man, they need to.

645
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Speaker 2: Know how worthy they are.

646
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about this Rodney Harrison, my guy,

647
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: my dog, Oh love my I to call him Chucky.

648
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: Rodney wouldn't hit anything on that football field, and he

649
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: would go to the echo of the whistle and I

650
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Speaker 1: loved it.

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Speaker 2: He was so good. He was so great.

652
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Speaker 1: I mean there been times by blah ah Rodney coming in.

653
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: He coming in hot too, Like we're both going at

654
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: the Clinton porters and he coming in hot. So we

655
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: know who he ISNA NBC Sports analysts. Now, he had

656
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: a postgame interview with Zach Wilson during a postgame show

657
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Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football, and.

658
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't like this. Right, So he's sitting.

659
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: There with Chris Jones the crew, and Chris Jones is

660
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: basically trying to tell him that Zack Wilson had a

661
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: good night.

662
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: Basically went like this, wait wait, wait, this is Rodney

663
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: cutting them off.

664
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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait did you say Zach Wilson is special?

665
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Speaker 1: I think he had a special night, but I don't

666
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: think he's special. Okay, let me take y'all back. First,

667
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison is thorough, authentic, no bs, never scared. I

668
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: think you guys have heard some stories about him, but

669
00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe not.

670
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Oh how real he is. That's how he played the game.

671
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: And it's interesting people hire former players to be in

672
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: the media to tell everyone how the game goes.

673
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: But when they hear it, they don't like how it sounds.

674
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman's famous incident when he went at Craft Tree

675
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: that wasn't well manicured because it ain't supposed to be.

676
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: What do you think I was thinking when I went

677
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: at him like that? That's what I just said. Rodney Harrison,

678
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: when he's watching Zach Wilson, he looks at him and say, Okay,

679
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: he had a good game tonight, but come on, man,

680
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: like chill with the gloss, chill with the flattery.

681
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: Like he's still not good as a quarterback.

682
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: So there's a line here. We got to figure out

683
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: this line because y'all said Rodney crossed the line, but

684
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: Rodney like cross the line. Y'all don't know what the

685
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: line exists. I'm a former player, let me tell you

686
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: for real. And this is one thing about players that

687
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: are talking today about other plays. They all in the

688
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: fraternity active, so they all kind of take care of

689
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: each other, which doesn't lead itself and lend itself to

690
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: being honest, thorough as authentic as you think. They're all

691
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: taking care of each other because one, just in case

692
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: the shoe was on the other foot, got me. You

693
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: got my back because I had your back. I ain't

694
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: call you garbage. So when I go through my funk,

695
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: don't you call me garbage. We know how it goes, right,

696
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: your coworkers, y'all at work and somebody asked you about Lisa.

697
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: You know, damn well, Lisa ain't doing her job like that.

698
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: You know, damn well, she ain't filed them papers whatever.

699
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: But you take care of her because it's gonna be

700
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: a time where you might not file them and you

701
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: want Lisa to look out. That's the same thing happen in

702
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: the NFL. Rodney does not play that game because Rodney

703
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: one didn't play that game when he played.

704
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: And two he telling you how it really goes.

705
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: And I wish more guys would do that, because then

706
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: you fans will really understand how different we are as

707
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: players and how different it is out there cats out

708
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: here in the media, just saying that, like all softy

709
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: because they want to make sure they don't get too

710
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: much criticism.

711
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: The players don't hate them, et cetera. Hates you, cares

712
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: you tell the truth, hate me, you lying?

713
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: Oh you better run cause you need to be hated

714
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: on simple is that? So Rodney went there and we

715
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: saw a lot of people take exception to it.

716
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: So Taylor Lawan went at it. He wrote a lot

717
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: about it.

718
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: He says that who I think needs to get tested

719
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: right now is Rodney Harrison.

720
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: Okay that was wild? Am I right? Like Rodney?

721
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: What are we doing trying to get more clicks? Okay,

722
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop right there. We gotta stop with when

723
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: someone says something that seems sensational, that seems like, oh

724
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: my god, that they.

725
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: Only trying to get clicks. Cause I'm gonna tell you this.

726
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: The other guy who is not saying something, he's still

727
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: saying something and he hopes.

728
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: To get clicks as well.

729
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: But getting clicks is turned into this soul Now you

730
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: say anything just to get attention.

731
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Rodney didn't say anything.

732
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: He literally said what we all say about Zach Wilson,

733
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: but he said it to an active player who in

734
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: that moment, just saw that Jack Wilson had a good

735
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: game and didn't want to kill the kid because the

736
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: kid been getting killed.

737
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: But what is Rodney to do?

738
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: Forget about all of y'all who've been talking about Zack Wilson.

739
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: From Hello, and look, it's been that way. His teammates,

740
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: they don't want other teammates' shirts like white shirts.

741
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: They don't call for his benching either been missed. They

742
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't got Aaron Rodgers. But Rodney brings it.

743
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: Up and the telling of hey man, the dude is garbage.

744
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: That's a problem. Now let me see, let me say

745
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: why that is a problem.

746
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: Garbage, the word is is tough because we got to

747
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: keep a perspective about this. Zack Wilson compared to other quarterbacks,

748
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: that is garb. If you want to call something garbage,

749
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: what he's trying to say, he's sorry, he's at the bottom,

750
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call he's sorry, a bomby, garbage,

751
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: whatever you're gonna say.

752
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: And I don't like any of those words, and excuse me.

753
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: When I use them, but that's the player in me,

754
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: because dog, you trash. If you play against somebody, you

755
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: wear them, you give them work. You trash, broh, whatever

756
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: that means. Don't be so sensitive. However, he did make

757
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: it to the NFL. However, he is a top pick

758
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL. However, he still got a shot to

759
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: start in the NFL. So it's like, calm down on

760
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: the garbage talk. I get that from an outsider's perspective.

761
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: He still did all that, and I agree, but then

762
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: it's a relative perspective, like you versus your peers garbage,

763
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: that's real, and we blaming Rodney for saying what we've

764
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: said at Echo, like Matt Leiner said, this is trash.

765
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Our job in the media is to analyze and the critique,

766
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: not to rip the these guys apart, especially after a

767
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: great game.

768
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: Complete garbage master, Homie.

769
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: I love Matt, but he just said Rodney's garbage for

770
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: what he did, and Rodney said that he's garbage for

771
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: what he did.

772
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: What's the difference. Michael Parsons expressed his disproval, disapproval.

773
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: Another active player, so you know you're gonna take care

774
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: of him even though he probably really like YOA, do

775
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: garbage to me, bro, that's just not right, I hear you.

776
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: I always keep my faith in God, and I'm just

777
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: gonna keep this real with you. I truly believe that

778
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: we are not one to judge. Okay, we cannot keep

779
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: saying someone's garbage, saying who's special, who's not special?

780
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: Camera stop there.

781
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to critique, it's hard to keep it's

782
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: hard to keep perspective without saying good and bad.

783
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: And actually that is in the Bible, right. The Bible

784
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: starts off with, oh, from the Tree of Life, you

785
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: now lose your absoluteness of knowing or not knowing what

786
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: you are because it was just all absolute to now

787
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: having the knowledge and the tree of life.

788
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: So with the Tree of Life gave you reference, it

789
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: gave you perspective. Oh I'm naked. Oh they're clothes. That's

790
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: what it did before it was just all absolute.

791
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: I digress. So if you're gonna bring the Bible up,

792
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: better read all of it, Michael.

793
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: The Bible is showing you how we went from an

794
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: absolute state to our current state of relativity. And their

795
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: relativity means things relate, but they're different.

796
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: Good and bad. Heaven. Hell, let's stop death life. So

797
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: it was Zach.

798
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: Wilson, Man, it's interesting man getting killed by everybody out there.

799
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: And then when Rodney says exactly what y'all say. Y'all

800
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: don't like him, shoot the messager, but don't the message.

801
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: Y'all been to ones spreading that message all this time.

802
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Don't get so mad at Roddy. But what do y'all

803
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: think about it? Because I do understand what you're saying, Like, hey, man, garbage,

804
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: kind of tough. But at the same time, did y'all

805
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: watch the segment and you feel like his comments were inappropriate?

806
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Beat it up in the comments?

807
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: And what do y'all think of Zach Wilson for real?

808
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: In the comments? Y'all think he garbage? Let me stop.

809
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: Y'all think he's good, you think he's great, Think he's bad?

810
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Think it just crossed the line in terms of the verbies.

811
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: Let me know what's crossing the line. Oh, in the

812
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: building right now, you guys know what we do right here.

813
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: We always show support for our community and our idy

814
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: biddies out there.

815
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: So look at there right now. Www. Yeah, I'm old school.

816
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: Probably transition dot org log gone leave it donation recurring donation.

817
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: You will get this book right here sent to you.

818
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: Also support the community, support these kids who need to

819
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: know how much inner power they possess so the world

820
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: can see it. All right, y'all, we got a special

821
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: guest here today. Man, this is somebody who has seen

822
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: me naked. I always loved saying that. Why because he's

823
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: a surgeon, because he was the doc for my team,

824
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: team doctor the Sat Diego Chargers, great friend of mine.

825
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Let's bring in doctor David Child, pro football doc himself.

826
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: Doctor Child, what's up, brother.

827
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: I'm doing fine well naked. Like you know, you were

828
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: covered up with the surgeries. Let's get too far.

829
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know that I was sleep so I

830
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: don't know what was going on. All I know is

831
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: I woke up and I felt much better. But in

832
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: all seriousness, doctor Child performed a surgery on me. When

833
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: I first got to San Diego, and I felt so

834
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: much pressure because I signed this huge deal before week one,

835
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: I break my foot in practice and everyone's telling me

836
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out forever ever ever, And I'm sitting

837
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: there like.

838
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I got all this money and I haven't.

839
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: Earned it, and oh, I can't do this. To the city,

840
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: to the team, and doctor Child fixed me up. Doctor Child,

841
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: tell them about that surgery and the prognosis and how

842
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: we went through it.

843
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you know it's the Dredded Jones fracture,

844
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: right fifth minute TARSL fracture, and right before the regular season,

845
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: you get it. And as you know, the earliest recovery

846
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: is six eight weeks and a lot of refracture rate.

847
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 3: And I know you wanted to play and everything, and

848
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: you were the big signing and the city was excited.

849
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: So we put in a different type of screw and

850
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: I got to give you credit. It's easy to say, oh,

851
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: the doctor did it all. I put you in a position.

852
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: I guarantee you you were sore that year. I guarantee

853
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: you you were effected more effective on one side than

854
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: the other. But it still was double digit sacks and

855
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl, and you made it. You only missed the

856
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 3: one game at the start at the start. You played

857
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: the whole season basically except for the very start, and

858
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: made it back even though I know you were not

859
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. So everyone's like, oh, it's credit for

860
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: the surgeony, Yeah, it's credit to you that. Okay, we

861
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: put you in a position, but you were playing through

862
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: some soreness and pain and having to favor that foot,

863
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: but you still put up the numbers and you know

864
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: made it happen.

865
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you crazy to talk about that injury, the pain.

866
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: I didn't practice that whole year, like because my foot

867
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: was on fire all through the week. It was like

868
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: play Sunday and recover all through the week and get

869
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: mental reps to just go back and do it again.

870
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: But salute to you for getting me back in that position.

871
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: It was a lot of work, man, There was a

872
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: lot of pain, but we got through it. And this

873
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: you know what I was watching this week of football.

874
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: And the reason why we have to have Doc on

875
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: here is because there's so many layers to the game

876
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: that don't get talked about in terms of the media coverage. Right,

877
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Like sometimes we take you inside the huddle. Then we

878
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: take you inside the huddle and the helmet and the

879
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: player's perspective, and I see a lot of resistance at times.

880
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Like Rodney Harrison. We both know Rodney.

881
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: You know I played with him, You know him very

882
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: well as you worked with him as well. Rodney Harrison

883
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: says what players really think, where players really feel, Rodney

884
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: is Rodney, and all of a sudden you get a

885
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: negative reaction. So I'm bringing you on here, Doc to

886
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: kind of talk through some of those layers. Take us

887
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: inside the organization, take us inside that training room so

888
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: we can see it from all levels. And I saw

889
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: something that happened well Geno Smith and he was running

890
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: and then he got tackle from behind, and we saw

891
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: the hip drop and what's going on with that kind.

892
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: Of play and how the NFL is perceiving it.

893
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: Well, the NFL did talk about banning the hip drop tackle,

894
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: and that's basically someone when you're hanging on their hip

895
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: and you swing your legs and your body weightlands on

896
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: the back of someone's legs. High risk of injury there.

897
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: Gino Smith made it through a little bit of high ankle,

898
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: a little bit of PCL, but it could have been

899
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: a lot worse, and that's why he was so mad

900
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: about it. Kenyon Drake talked about it when he was

901
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: with the Raiders and how that ended his ear. And

902
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: from a medical perspective, the hip drop tackle came and

903
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 3: be as dangerous as the horse caller, very similar mechanism.

904
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: And I look at it this way. If you're talking say, look,

905
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm not a defensive guy, and this is my question

906
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 3: to you. Defensive guys might say, how do you want

907
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: us to tackle this guy, What are you gonna do?

908
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: And I get that question. You can't hit him high,

909
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: you hit him low like Mika Fitzpatrick, Nick Chubb, and

910
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: you're called dirty, right, And where do you hit a guy?

911
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: What if their head dips and whatever? But you do

912
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 3: say the league does protect quarterbacks no bodyweight fouls. Right,

913
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: you're trying to legislate that right, wrong or indifferent? Right?

914
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: But the hip drop tackle is something that I can

915
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: say medically causes danger. Now, whether it should be outlawed

916
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: by the league and what defenders say and is it

917
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 3: football is a different question. But from a medical perspective,

918
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: I would say the horse collar tackle and hip drop

919
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: tackle and body weight to the quarterback all right, I

920
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: would say horse collar and hip dropp are about the

921
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: same danger and body weight to the quarterback maybe less

922
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: danger but not zero. Right, And but I get it.

923
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: It's a quarterback to of the league, you gotta protect him,

924
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: but you know other players deserve protection too, and this

925
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: was a quarterback that he was really a runner at

926
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: this point in time, and that is you know, from

927
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: a defender's point of view, you might say, how do

928
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: I supposed to get him down? You know, but landing

929
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: on the back of people's legs, causes a lot of injuries,

930
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: is all. That's why Gino was upset.

931
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk through that, because it's funny that we're

932
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: saying it's dangerous or more dangerous when there's only one

933
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: guarantee in playing football, you're going to get hurt. So

934
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: it's just pick your poison which way you want to

935
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: get hurt. But I understand that you're leading us to

936
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: this is even more dangerous than the average play. What

937
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: mechanisms are at play? Because if I see a guy,

938
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: he's in front of me, I come from behind him.

939
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: A lot of times I don't have the leverage, so

940
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: when I grab him, I'm looking to just get him down,

941
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: and I know if my body is higher than lower,

942
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder.

943
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: So what I do. I grab him and then I

944
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: just get weightless. And if I just drop, he's dropping

945
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: with me. So why is that more dangerous? What mechanisms

946
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: are at play?

947
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: Well, the mechanism at play is when you're coming up

948
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: on someone, if you hit him square, you maybe get

949
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: him down already, but you can't always hit everybody square.

950
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 3: So when the hip drop tackle happens, you're a little

951
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: bit hanging on for dear life. Right, You're like, you

952
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: don't want him to through your arms. You don't want

953
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: to be in the meeting room the next day with

954
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: everyone you know giggling at you or making fun of

955
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: you in the film room or in the team meeting.

956
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: You want to complete the play and your job is

957
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: to get this guy down on the ground or at

958
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: least hang on for dear life. But what happens is

959
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: is think about this way. If you ever swing on

960
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: a fence post, you swing around the back of it.

961
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: If you go and grab, then your body and your

962
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: leg swings around. Well, that's what happens. You grab onto

963
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: someone's waist. You didn't hit them square, you're trying to

964
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: You're not leading with your head. You're trying to get

965
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: them down. And what happens, your natural momentum swings your

966
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 3: body and legs to the behind. And if the runner

967
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: is trying to escape you, which is doing their job,

968
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: their feet are planted as they're trying to drive through

969
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: the tackle. So now you have a planted foot with

970
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: some weight falling on you. That's no different than what

971
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: offensive linemen hate. I'm engaged with a blocker and look

972
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: you know this, offensive linemen get mad at the guy

973
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: next to them if they throw their player into them. Right,

974
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: you're engaged, get thrown into them. That's a way to

975
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: get injured. Well, this is kind of similar. You're holding

976
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: on for dear life and your body weight swings. I'm

977
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: not saying it should absolutely be illegal. Look, that's a

978
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: football judgment. But if you're asking me, is there more

979
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: danger on this play, the answer is yes, just like

980
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: there is more danger with a horse collar tackle as

981
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 3: you pull someone down from behind. And I'm not saying

982
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: that the play is dirty. I'm just saying the defenders

983
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: trying to make the play. So where should this end up?

984
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, But that's why Geno Smith was mad

985
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: because but the defender can't really help it because that's

986
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: where your body weight goes, unless you say, when I'm

987
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: swinging over there, I'm just supposed to let go. Perhaps

988
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 3: he was mad because he was already in the white

989
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: and maybe you know it was a continuation, but it

990
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: was in the white. But if you're in the field

991
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: of play, the injury can happen the same way. And

992
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: thankfully Gino Smith wasn't significantly injured, although he is injured,

993
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: he played through, and there's a bye week coming up.

994
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: But this is kind of what we talk about, you know.

995
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: And this is why I love the fact that you

996
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: let me invade your show here, because I think these

997
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: are the fun conversations in deep Dive, and I know

998
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 3: how your mind works. It's not gonna be talking about

999
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 3: this injury, talking about this and you telling about this injury.

1000
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna be this deep Dive discussion stuff and behind

1001
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: the scenes stuff and you know a lot of things

1002
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: that I'm sure you'll get to you. I've got a

1003
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: lot to say about the Jamal Adams concussion and him.

1004
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: Ye want to go next?

1005
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: Right now, Doc, we gotta go to there before we

1006
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: even give it to Jamal Adams because I don't want

1007
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: him to be the face of this conversation, but he's

1008
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: gonna spark it.

1009
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: Concussions. Okay.

1010
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: When I played Doc, I swear I don't remember anyone

1011
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: walking around saying, hey, did you go through protocol?

1012
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: Did you get concussed?

1013
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: We got dings or you're you're either blacked out, you

1014
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: got dinged, or you're.

1015
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: Just like what, I don't even know what concussions are. Now.

1016
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: I look up and I see that hit on Jamal Adams,

1017
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: and I see him on the ground and got kicked

1018
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: in the head. And then I see him on the

1019
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: sideline looking like a normal football player. To me, at

1020
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: least in my era, that guy can still play, but

1021
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: now he's in concussion protocol. Before we dive into Jamal Adams,

1022
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: what happened yesterday? What changed in those twenty thirty years

1023
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: from when a guy used to have that same injury

1024
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: and it seemed like continue to play. I raised my

1025
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: hand to say one of them to now that guy's concussed.

1026
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: What has changed?

1027
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: Litigation legalities CTE association with concussions or repetitive hits to

1028
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: the head, and the health and safety era look I

1029
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: lived in when I answered the NFL, yeah, we didn't

1030
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: have that. Oh, like guy's routinely on the sideline would

1031
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: be boy, I saw stars on that one, you know,

1032
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: and bop and boy, I don't remember. And here you go.

1033
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: And I don't believe for one second any player that says,

1034
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: you know, player says I've never concussed ever in my career.

1035
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: You don't have a documented concussion. You probably played through

1036
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: your share your fair share of them. And it's a

1037
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: recognition of the medical industry and in general and to

1038
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 3: not mess around with the brain. And so the NFL

1039
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: started all these concussion meetings, and we started all these

1040
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: rules and etc. And I'm an orthopedic surgeon, so I

1041
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: never actually on the NFL sideline and valuated the concussion,

1042
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 3: but the doctors who did report it to me. So

1043
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: I was involved in all the league wide meetings and

1044
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: traveling to Washington, d C. And looking at the latest research.

1045
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: And the problem is, it's just that what you say.

1046
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 3: Jamal Adams felt he was fine. Jamal Adams said, are

1047
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: you kidding me? It's been over a year for me

1048
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 3: to come back, and now some dude that I've never

1049
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: met says I'm out of the game. I get why

1050
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 3: he was mad. Look, but the guy in the red

1051
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: hat was doing his job. By NFL rule, if you

1052
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: exhibit outward signs of concussion and there was the stumble,

1053
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: unless you can explain why the stumble happened and you

1054
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: are positive it wasn't a head injury, you're presumed to

1055
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 3: have a concussion and you are removed from the game. Period.

1056
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: So the UNC was doing his job. I love how

1057
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: Pete head coach was saying I don't think Jamal was

1058
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 3: yelling at the doctor. Some fan said something, this said

1059
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: the other whatever, Pete, you could spend it out you had.

1060
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at Jamal Adams for being mad. He's like,

1061
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: I came back from this, I feel fine, and you're

1062
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: pulling out of the game. See here's what happens inside

1063
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 3: the blue tent. The red hat is there to ensure

1064
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: the process is correct and that there's no shenanigans and

1065
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: to sign off on returning a guy to the game

1066
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: or not. He or she is not there to treat

1067
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: Jamal Adams or any player. They're there to observe. The

1068
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: team doctor takes him through the thing, the five questions,

1069
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: the screening in the tent. I don't know what the

1070
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: UNC said. They probably came out of the tent the

1071
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: doctors talked and the UNC probably said, yeah, he didn't

1072
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: pass the screening, so he's out. Or the UNC said

1073
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 3: he passed the screening, but it doesn't matter. We see

1074
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: the visual signs he's out. So the team doctor tells

1075
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: Jamal Adams, you gotta come with me and we gotta

1076
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 3: go to the locker room, and John Adams says, why, Well,

1077
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: for further tests. I'm fine. He goes, well, you're actually

1078
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: ruled out and whatever, and he says, what why am

1079
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: I ruled out? He's probably not happy with the team doctor.

1080
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: And the team doctor goes, hey, uh, the red had

1081
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: already ruled you out, right, I mean you gotta take

1082
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: you know. Look, look mom didn't let you do the sleepover.

1083
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: It wasn't dad. I just did that last night, So

1084
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: I know that little trick. Don't Yes, my ten year

1085
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 3: old daughter, don't get mad at me. It was mom, right,

1086
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: I mean, so Jamal Adams like, who the f are you?

1087
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what he said? Right, Red had oun't

1088
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 3: even go how are you ruling out this game? I

1089
00:52:58,880 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: just camet and he was hot?

1090
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 4: How do I know that?

1091
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 3: Because that's the protocol. And also the red hat didn't

1092
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: even go to the locker room with Jamal Adams because

1093
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: he knew he was already ruled out of the game.

1094
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 3: And so I get why Jamal would be mad, and

1095
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: I understand it. I remember one time Doctor Eason came

1096
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: to me and he and this was early in the

1097
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: concussion protocol. So we rule out to chaos, spikes mister

1098
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: neck out to hear right to Kao spikes and yeah,

1099
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: I can't even do it right, and he love him,

1100
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: He's a friend, the whole deal, but he was not happy.

1101
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: So the protocol as a team doctor goes with him

1102
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: to the locker room for the game, and Doctor Eason says.

1103
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: He goes, well, find him out of the game, but

1104
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to go out back on the sidelines, and

1105
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: Doctor Eason says, no, you're not allowed to do that.

1106
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: And he's like, I can't even be with my friend,

1107
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: but that's the NFL rule. And Doctor Eason says, to me,

1108
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: comes out and says me, I think he's gonna slug me.

1109
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: He's not gonna slug you. If you want security to

1110
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 3: go in, that's fine.

1111
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 4: Of course.

1112
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: To Ko wasn't, but he was just mad. It's like,

1113
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: wait a minute, it's bad enough be playing out the game.

1114
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: I can't be out there with my brothers and just

1115
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: stand there. But that's part of the right and players

1116
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: got to understand it. And I don't give Jamal Adams

1117
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: a hard time with it. But let me tell you

1118
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: something else about this. Before he injured, discussed one of

1119
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 3: the things we're going to talk about, I'm sure coach

1120
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: speak and hiding behind hell. But injuries beget injuries is

1121
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: another theme. Here's my theory from Afar as I do

1122
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: the analysis, Okay, I don't believe base The quad injury

1123
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: is a beast, and Jamal Adams wants to play. And

1124
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: you played through the whole season and you were not

1125
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 3: close to one hundred percent, yet you had success in

1126
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: your Pro Bowl year that year after the foot Jamal

1127
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 3: Adams says, it's been long enough. Let's go. Do I

1128
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: think he's one hundred percent. No, our six score individualium

1129
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: still shows him recovery and not one hundred percent. But

1130
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: how do injuries beget injuries? See if you believe this

1131
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: or not. First of all, he's not used to the

1132
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: flow of the game because he just came back. But

1133
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: let me tell you something. Pro bowler Jamal Adams in

1134
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 3: the open field versus a fast but very linear runner

1135
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, he doesn't juke people. He's fast, but he

1136
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: doesn't juke people. I think a healthy Jamal Adams with

1137
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: a healthy quad, who's been in the flow of the

1138
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 3: NFL season ten out of ten times or nine and

1139
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: a half out of ten times, lights Daniel Jones up

1140
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: in the chest. Instead. It looked like be it a

1141
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: half step slow or off angle or whatever, has to

1142
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 3: dive low to get him down because he didn't get

1143
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 3: there where he thought he would get there normal healthy

1144
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: Jamal Adams bam right down, goes Daniel square shot in

1145
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: the chest, not one hundred percent Jamal Adams half step

1146
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 3: slow and has to reach and dive at his legs

1147
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: and then gets knead in the head right and here

1148
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 3: we go.

1149
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: It's a trust issue, like injuries get injuries, not just physically, mentally,

1150
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: you're not in the same place of trusting yourself, so

1151
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: you don't even apply yourself to that same place. Basically,

1152
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: that sixth gear, you don't even try it because you

1153
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: don't believe that you have it. You have to grow

1154
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: in confidence for it. So I see it all the

1155
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: time with my little kids. I coach eight year olds.

1156
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: I tell them to get off the ground. They get

1157
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: on the ground because they're scared that they can't make

1158
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: the play.

1159
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 2: They just dive and just hope.

1160
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: So I think you're right in that assessment which led

1161
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: to his injury, but to the protocol conversation of this injury.

1162
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: So basically, if I had to sum it up, our error,

1163
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: we didn't have a threshold it seems like for concussions,

1164
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: and now they have one. But it seems pretty light

1165
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: to me if a guy can seem to have all

1166
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: of his faculties, but you're going to rule him out

1167
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: regardless if he passes those tests. So two things. One

1168
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: it reminds me of like when you get a DUI test.

1169
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how I know this, but I know this.

1170
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: So basically, they asked you to do all these tests

1171
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: and then if you pass them all, they still can say, nah,

1172
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: take the breathalyzer. You're like, well, why I take the

1173
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: test if you want to still give me the breathalyzer?

1174
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: What's this about? Right?

1175
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: But the second thing about it that makes me wonder

1176
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: is one, are they asking him in those protocol tests

1177
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: that he either failed or are insignificant enough that it

1178
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.

1179
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: We're still gonna rule you out.

1180
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: Well, the questions in the tent the screening questions, and

1181
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: you have to take him inside for a formal evaluation,

1182
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 3: but you can do the screening questions in the tent.

1183
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: The screening questions are not always one the same, but

1184
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: they are shockingly simple to the lay person. I mean,

1185
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 3: everything from what day of the week, it is what's

1186
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 3: the score of the game, Do you remember the player

1187
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: that it happened on, and how you got hurt? And

1188
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: it's very feasible for a player to momentarily stumble yet

1189
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: have their faculties to answer all the questions. It's very

1190
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: feasible to do the finger to nose and the recall

1191
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 3: five items and the serial sevens and days of the

1192
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: week backwards, and it's very feasible to do so. But

1193
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: the NFL rule is if you see visual evidence, And

1194
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 3: this is why the NFL got so much grief about

1195
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: Tua last year. Right, Tua had some visual evidence when

1196
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: he went down and it was said to be his back,

1197
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: and then he was allowed to play that Thursday game

1198
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: and then got the second concussion or the team still

1199
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: says first concussion, whatever it is. That's where the controversy

1200
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: stemmed from, and the posturing and the reason why you

1201
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: rule players out. And I get from an old school

1202
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: player's perspective. You're on Jamal Adams side, and I understand that, like,

1203
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 3: come on, I'm fine, let's roll. Football is inherently dangerous.

1204
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: But the argument legally is, do you have your faculties

1205
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: to even truly consent to it. That's a legal argument,

1206
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: and the risk falls on the doctors and the team

1207
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 3: in the NFL if they allow it. If there's and

1208
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: there is such a thing as second impact, even if

1209
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: you're one hundred percent fine, the next light tap might

1210
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: cause a worse concussion versus if you were fine. And

1211
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: so it's purely a safety mechanism, but it's a very

1212
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: very very difficult job. Here's the problem. If a doctor

1213
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: removes the player, let's say Jamal Adams, even without those

1214
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 3: visual signs, and removes him at the exact right moment

1215
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 3: and protects him from a second impact syndrome, the player's mad,

1216
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: the team is mad, Well, he's fine, why did you

1217
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: do that? But if you let a guy in who's

1218
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 3: fine and test fine, and they happen to get and

1219
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: they really didn't have, I have a concussion the first time,

1220
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: but he gets another unrelated bat it has a concussion,

1221
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: you're getting sued and you're a horse's bleep for allowing it.

1222
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 3: And so the problem is, no two concussions are the same.

1223
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: And Jamal Adams, and I'm not saying he will have this,

1224
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: We're just using an example. It's possible that he has

1225
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: latent symptoms an hour later or the next day, at

1226
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: the moment he feels that he's fine. So literally, you're

1227
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 3: asking doctors to judge the temperature of Goldilock's porridge without

1228
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: tasting it or touching it, by just looking at it.

1229
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 3: And you're trying to tell me what the temperature is

1230
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: half an hour from now, not in the moment. That's

1231
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 3: the difficulty of what it is and we're doing.

1232
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: We can't of it.

1233
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 3: I never did concussion valuations. I just know the process.

1234
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm an orthopedist. It's very difficult and it's very easy

1235
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 3: to Monday morning quarterback. I am not mad at all

1236
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: for Jamal Adams fire. I get it he doesn't understand

1237
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 3: what it is. He's got nothing to apologize for. But

1238
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: I think the doctors followed the protocol and the red

1239
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: hat and did the right thing for Jamal, and hopefully

1240
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: we start of explained the process and the behind well.

1241
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: I think the protocol just to overview it all is

1242
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: to air on the side of caution and why because

1243
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: no one wants to sit there and be in court

1244
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: again and have any of these lawsuits or something worse

1245
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: injuries to these players, potential deaths.

1246
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: So I get all of that.

1247
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: But one of the things that's interesting also is watching

1248
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: the game. And I love the fact that you finally

1249
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 1: took me through the protocol, because goodness, I dog curse

1250
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: every one of these players that lead these games concussed

1251
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: when they look normal to me, because that's how I

1252
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: look when I played, And I'm like, I wasn't concussed.

1253
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: Maybe I was, who knows, right, But I see something

1254
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 1: in some of your analysis, and I want to talk

1255
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: about coach speak. And this is something that is dear

1256
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: to my heart. When you hear a coach say one

1257
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: thing and you're like, ah, it may be another who

1258
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: can decode that. So something happened with sakwm Barkley and

1259
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: turns of the coach speak.

1260
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 2: I'll let you out the floor, let me know what's

1261
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: going on there.

1262
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: Well, look, I was on the other side of the

1263
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: equation right for seventeen years and studying film, and I

1264
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 3: knew exactly what it was. We used coach speak too,

1265
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: Philip Rivers and that AFC championshicking. Oh that's just an MC.

1266
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: I didn't speak to the media, but our head coach did,

1267
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 3: so I get coach speak. I am not saying that

1268
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: Brian day Bole or any coach is a liar. And

1269
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: I'm not calling them names. They're just doing their job

1270
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 3: with coach speak. They're spinning the facts based on what's

1271
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: best for the team, and as a fan, that's what

1272
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 3: you want them to do. But it can put players

1273
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 3: in precarious situations. For example, with the Giants from week one,

1274
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: we were very clear that Saquon Barkley. In week two

1275
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 3: it was has a high ankle spring based on video,

1276
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 3: and media says the Giants are saying it's not a

1277
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: high ankle or like the video is pretty clear. On Monday,

1278
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 3: there's a report of an MRI and we go on

1279
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 3: our Pro Football Doc podcast and say it's a high

1280
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: ankle spring. That's what it looks like. If we're wrong,

1281
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 3: we're wrong. This is what it looks like by video analysis,

1282
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: having studied the video. But we even said on the

1283
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 3: podcast when the MRI results are announced, I'll bet you

1284
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 3: the Giants don't use the words high ankle spring because

1285
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: that's a trigger for fans and others. Sakuon's had him before.

1286
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 3: It's a multi week absence. We don't want to let

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Speaker 3: the Thursday Night team know what's happening, and da da

1288
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: da da da da, And I said, I don't think

1289
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 3: they're going to say high ankle, but it's a high ankle.

1290
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 3: The Giants released Saquon after Emra I thought the Giants

1291
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: would pay no significant structural damage and said, they said

1292
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: ordinary ankle spring, and we came back and said, yeah,

1293
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 3: an ordinary high ankle spring. That on the same ankle.

1294
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen, he missed three weeks. He said he's not

1295
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 3: playing on Thursday, and the next week, I'm not sure

1296
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 3: that he's playing. And the following week, week three, maybe

1297
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 3: you know, the third week, maybe he has a chance.

1298
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 3: So on Thursday, what does Saquon do. He's not happy

1299
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 3: that he's almost being called soft, right, like it's just

1300
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 3: the you rolled your ankle, tap it up, let's go.

1301
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: So he protects himself by tailing, telling Taylor Rooks on

1302
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 3: the Amazon Prime broadcast, I have a high ankle spray, right,

1303
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: and then here you go. It's coach speak and this

1304
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 3: whole Monday Night football, Saquon was not close to playing

1305
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: with the high ankle spray. Next week is still questionable

1306
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 3: for Saquon. And that's kind of what we do. We

1307
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 3: try and take you behind to use a Hamilton reference.

1308
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 3: The staff and the doctors at sports in your Central.

1309
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: We were in the room when it happened, so we

1310
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 3: can kind of interpret for you what is going on,

1311
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 3: whether it's a decision making process for Joe Burrow, and

1312
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 3: what's happening, whether this concussion thing or saquon coach speak

1313
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 3: is real. Look, I love look, I love Jim Harbaugh,

1314
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: know him well. I don't know his brother, but John

1315
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 3: Harbaugh is famous for coach speak. The last two seasons

1316
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 3: for the Ravens, he every week with say, in December,

1317
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: Lamar's getting close. We'll see, we think he could have

1318
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: a chance. Last the year before his ankle. This year

1319
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 3: it was the PCL and every week, oh, we'll see

1320
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 3: Wednesday he's getting close. And every Friday ruled out. And

1321
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 3: every week we're like, he not playing right. And so

1322
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 3: the surprising thing to me is I've been fortunate enough

1323
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 3: to get a couple of Super Bowl media credentials. And

1324
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 3: I remember going to the Chief's game and it was

1325
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 3: media availability in the hotel room and Mitchell Schwartz is

1326
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: sitting down there right tackle for the Chiefs and he

1327
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: had a significant MCL or something. No one was there,

1328
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: so I wasn't taking away the time from a true

1329
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 3: media member. And I sat down and I introduced myself

1330
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 3: and I said, Mitchell, you know my name is David Chew.

1331
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: I'm actually going with PTIs I do promo just because

1332
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 3: it's not here to start talking to a guy without

1333
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 3: knowing who you are and you know how you might

1334
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: dissect him. And he looked at me and he goes,

1335
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: I know who you are. I'm like, should I get

1336
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 3: up and leave? You know, because I know I've said

1337
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 3: stuff about him. He goes, no, I know you talk

1338
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 3: to my brother Jeff all the time and I know

1339
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 3: who you are. And I said, well, I'm sorry if

1340
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: you don't like what I said. But he goes. He goes, no,

1341
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 3: I actually like it, And I said why he goes

1342
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 3: because the team kept implying he was close. He was close,

1343
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 3: yet he was saying, this is a multi week MCL,

1344
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 3: but he as a player can't go against the team

1345
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: and say hey, I'm not ready to go. But he says,

1346
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 3: fans are thinking I'm soft, but your a voice out

1347
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 3: there saying this is what he has. And he actually

1348
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 3: said he appreciated it, and that was something I didn't anticipate,

1349
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 3: you know, being able to do. And I've actually had

1350
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: a few exchanges with players I've never met on Twitter

1351
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: and otherwise, you know, you know, hey, you're right about this,

1352
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 3: but this you know kind of thing because I think

1353
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 3: that players appreciate the truth and there isn't the same

1354
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 3: coach spin that teams kind of have to do are

1355
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 3: expected to do right, and so not hating on them.

1356
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: They're not liars, they're just spinning what's going on. I

1357
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 3: know one head coach, for example, and I won't call

1358
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 3: out his name. I know one head coach. I won't

1359
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 3: call out his name because I don't want to blow his.

1360
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: Cover protect the guilty. Okay, let's go, I.

1361
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: Said, coach, I know exactly what you do when you

1362
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 3: talk to media after the game. He said, oh yeah,

1363
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 3: what's that. I said, You're not a liar. You want

1364
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: to tell the truth. He goes, you're right. I said.

1365
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 3: So you get up to the podium after the game

1366
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: and they ask you all these injury questions and you say,

1367
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, and then as soon as you come

1368
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 3: off that podium, you go talk to the head athletic

1369
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 3: trainer and the team doctor and find out what's going

1370
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 3: on and you're completely honest, and he says yep, because

1371
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to give up anything right, and he

1372
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 3: doesn't want to lie. And that's his way around it,

1373
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you know Coach Belichick. His way

1374
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 3: around it is he doesn't answer any questions and he

1375
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 3: lists everyone with a head no is questionable and plays

1376
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 3: hide the bacon. It's within the rules because these guys

1377
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 3: is questionable. It's within the rules because these fifteen people

1378
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: have gotten treatment in the training room. But there's only

1379
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 3: one or two that might not play or that's really questionable.

1380
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 3: But following the rules, everybody, all these people got treatment.

1381
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 3: They're questionable, and then it's a game of hide the bacon.

1382
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 3: And he actually never lies safe and I said nothing

1383
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 3: else about them.

1384
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 2: Well, Walgon Toll, never shut up, doc, because that's what

1385
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 2: we do. We learn and unlearn.

1386
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: And so you're protected here because we are sitting here

1387
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: trying to decode all the real from the fake. And

1388
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: it's real out there because you just talked about how

1389
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: some of the coaches will have coach speak and you

1390
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: have to make sure that you parse between the real

1391
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: from the fake. But also sometimes they say stuff and

1392
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: they hide behind the health, like they'll use the injury

1393
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: to really Trojan Horse another situation. So Jonathan Taylor comes

1394
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: to mind of like what's going on with them?

1395
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 2: Are they trying to hide the help with Jonathan Taylor.

1396
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's unknown the exact truth of the matter, but

1397
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 3: think of this fact pattern. Jonathan Taylor wants a new contract.

1398
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 3: The team says no. Preseason Before the season, Jonathan Taylor

1399
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 3: comes into training camp to do a physical and he's

1400
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 3: saying he might set out this that the other. The

1401
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 3: team then says, well, we might put you on non

1402
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 3: football injury for your bat and then Jonathan Taylor says,

1403
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,440
Speaker 3: my back is fine, I got nothing. And then Jonathan

1404
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 3: Taylor says, but my ankle from last season still bothers me,

1405
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna get some rehab outside the building. So

1406
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 3: I reported, so I'm doing what you know. You can't

1407
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 3: find me. I'm getting treatment on my own. But the

1408
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 3: team does what shops him for a trade. How are

1409
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 3: you going to trade an injured player? But then the

1410
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 3: team then puts him on PUP for the ankle, either

1411
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 3: shelby him where knowledge that he's in. I mean, there's

1412
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 3: just a lot of what we say hiding behind health.

1413
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 3: What's the real story. We'll find out soon enough. I'll

1414
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 3: give you another example of hiding behind health. Bryce Young

1415
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 3: in week two injured his ankle. I believe he did

1416
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 3: injure his ankle, but he finished the game. The team

1417
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: said it was a second quarter injury. We looked at

1418
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 3: potentially one in the third quarter, but didn't see anything significant.

1419
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 3: He ran very well in week two. Leading up to

1420
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 3: week three, he's got an ankle injury. DNP ankle injury.

1421
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 3: DNP ankle injury. DNP was his ankle injured. I'm sure

1422
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 3: it was one hundred percent, but probably what happened is

1423
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 3: they said, young Buck, you're our guy for the future.

1424
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 3: You're drinking from the fire hose. You're not one hundred percent.

1425
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 3: We don't want to put you out there. If that's

1426
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert they're playing, If that's you know, Trevor Lawrence

1427
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: he's playing, If that's any number of people he's playing.

1428
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 3: But here's a rook who's smaller, they're pretty tacting him.

1429
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: You don't want to bench the guy. He's got an

1430
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 3: ankle injury. And if you go DNP, you can't expect

1431
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 3: the rookie to play and look, his quarterback coach Josh

1432
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 3: McCowan came and did that for the Jets. He played

1433
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 3: as the veteran for Sam Darnold in his rookie year

1434
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 3: when there was a real injury, but like take a

1435
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 3: breath type situation and then what happened leading into Week

1436
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 3: four full practice, full practice, full practice. So how do

1437
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 3: you go from an ankle DMPDNP DMP and can't play

1438
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 3: to FPFPFP. So it's a little bit of hiding behind heal.

1439
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 3: The injury is real, but minute if that's somebody else

1440
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: they're playing, if that's Patrick Mahomes with the high ankle

1441
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 3: he played all last season, right, and it's a way

1442
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 3: to say pull back. We want to be safe with you,

1443
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 3: your future. It's not a loss of confidence, it's anything

1444
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 3: helping him take a deep breath and let's go at

1445
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: it again when you're one hundred percent healthy. Yeah, we

1446
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: know you can push through, but let's protect. But they

1447
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 3: don't want to say that to the public. So it's

1448
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 3: hiding behind health. So there's lots of examples of that.

1449
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 2: I love that.

1450
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: Ooh those segments right there, coaches speak hiding behind health

1451
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: and just your general analysis of how the process goes amazing.

1452
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: Want to get out of here on this topic that

1453
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: we both share our love and affinity for Rodney Harrison,

1454
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: but he's under fire right now because he's taking a

1455
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: lot of heat for baiting Chris Jones and saying that

1456
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is garbage. Now, it's so crazy and so

1457
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: many synonyms. I've heard everyone in the media tell me

1458
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: how bad Zach Wilson is, but then Rodney calls him garbage,

1459
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: which sounds like a regurgitation of everything else.

1460
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: I've heard, and he takes all of the fires.

1461
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 1: So what do you think of the criticism of Rodney

1462
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: Hayton on Zach Wilms.

1463
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 3: Even on my probo doc podcast, my guys in the

1464
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 3: room asked me about that. My first response was, well,

1465
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 3: you just don't know Rodney. That's Rodney man. He tells

1466
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 3: it like it is. That's that's my boy.

1467
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 2: Man.

1468
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 3: He doesn't pull punches and hold back. Look, I love

1469
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 3: Chris Collinsworth, but Chris Collinworth is a master of he

1470
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 3: being praise and that's his deal. That's great, and I

1471
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: love his broadcast. Rodney is I tell it like it is,

1472
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 3: my friend, and he did. Now to me, that's his

1473
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 3: job as an analyst to ask the questions and tell

1474
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 3: it like it is and probing. It's Chris Jones's job

1475
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 3: if he doesn't want to take the bait, and he didn't,

1476
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 3: I don't see anything really wrong with that exchange. If

1477
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 3: you were gonna throw a penalty flag in terms of

1478
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: the code, I wouldn't throw it on Rodney for asking

1479
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 3: those questions. And maybe because I'm his friend and I

1480
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 3: like Rodney and I know how he is in his background,

1481
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: Rodney is like, you know, everyone's got an older relative

1482
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 3: that says something that's not quite right. Then you say, oh,

1483
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 3: that's just great grandpa, right, And I'm not calling Rodney

1484
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 3: great grandpa. And by the way, in the room, the

1485
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 3: guy suggested, maybe Rodney's just mad at the Jessica Sauce

1486
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 3: Gardner didn't know who he was on Hard Knocks right,

1487
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 3: which I've heard I find amazing, like that Sauce wouldn't

1488
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: know who Rodney is from Sunday Night Football in his.

1489
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 4: Career, lots of history, the most famous, one of the

1490
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 4: most famous play in the Super Bowl history, right, Rodney,

1491
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 4: besides being I think a.

1492
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame caliber player, and rings and the whole well,

1493
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 3: that's a deeper die. But anyways, I think the bigger

1494
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: penalty flag came from my guy, Mike Silver's reporting. Not

1495
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 3: Mike Silver, but Mike Silver's reporting with the forty nine Ers.

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01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 3: In the San Francisco Chronicle after the forty nine Ers

1497
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 3: trashed the Giants on Thursday Night Football, multiple members of

1498
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 3: the defense were quoted as saying, Daniel Jones isn't worth

1499
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 3: his contract. Penalty flag number one talking about someone else's money. Right,

1500
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 3: penally flag number two, a current player talking about a

1501
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 3: current player like Chris Jones. Didn't take the credit to

1502
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 3: Chris Jones, right. If I were throwing a penalty flag,

1503
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 3: it would be on the forty nine ers. You're gonna

1504
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: fault Rodney Harrison for being honest. Look I'm not. Then

1505
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 3: you're saying you're double speaking on both sides of your mouth.

1506
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 3: You're not faulting Rodney Harrison being honest, but you're faulting

1507
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers defense for being honest. The difference

1508
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 3: is Rodney's an analyst, you're a current player in the league.

1509
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,799
Speaker 3: You're talking about another person's money, and you're talking about

1510
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 3: they're basically there. He's trash and he's not worth the

1511
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 3: money and you look you handled it, but you should

1512
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 3: have just said, yeah, we had a good defensive scheme, right.

1513
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 3: I mean I would say that's more of an NFL

1514
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 3: party foul than what Rodney did. I don't know what

1515
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 3: your thought is. I know you had to take that.

1516
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 2: No, that's the take.

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01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: That's the transition that they don't respect. And sometimes people

1518
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 1: get lost in when you're when you're an active player

1519
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: talking about other active players, whatever they say, you just

1520
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: need to look at it like, Okay, that is not

1521
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: gonna be authentic. They're gonna always heat praise or keep

1522
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: it general.

1523
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 2: Right.

1524
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: That's the way to do it because you never know

1525
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: when the shoe is gonna be on the other foot.

1526
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 2: You also know you.

1527
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: Have to see that guy again and maybe he might

1528
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: become my teammates.

1529
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 2: So you never step in it when you're an active

1530
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,879
Speaker 2: player like rarely.

1531
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,480
Speaker 1: But when you become a media member, that transition includes

1532
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: telling everybody all the things you didn't say when you

1533
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 1: were an active player that you want to say now

1534
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: and what those guys really are thinking or saying. So

1535
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: I see Michael Parsons and I see Taylor Lawan, I

1536
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: see him all saying oh, that's wrong, that's wrong, Michael Parsons, No,

1537
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: damn Well, when he's in that locker room and they

1538
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,879
Speaker 1: bring up Zach Wilson name, they're like, man, he's sorry,

1539
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: but like what he supposed to say, that's what he's

1540
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: done so far. But when he gets on microphone or

1541
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: on Twitter, he has to say the nice thing. So

1542
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have any issue, or Rodney said, Look,

1543
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: the word guard garbage by hisself is a trigger word,

1544
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: like sorry is better than garbage, you know, not good

1545
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: is better than garbage. Rodney knows who Rodney is, and

1546
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: he always gonna.

1547
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 2: Tell you like it is. So appreciate you, Doc.

1548
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna have you back on here next week and

1549
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,799
Speaker 1: every week the d Code give us some coaches speak.

1550
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: Let's see who's hiding behind the health and just break

1551
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: it down from your perspective.

1552
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 3: So the party message from you is keep quiet when

1553
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 3: you're in the league, but when you're done, never shut up.

1554
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: A look at you boy that ain't getting paid multiple

1555
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: ways on this show. Yes, sir, love for you, Doc,

1556
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: he knows how it goes.

1557
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: Man.

1558
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: Appreciate you not only David Child, doctor David Child, but

1559
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: a friend. Seriously, a friend known them for twenty plus years.

1560
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: We've been talking recently, it's been happening a lot around.

1561
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: Guys are just calling me up.

1562
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him and they're like, man, I would

1563
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: love to do this with you, do this with you.

1564
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: And I thought this was a great opportunity. I'm fascinated

1565
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: when I'm around him because he knows so much that

1566
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1567
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: I just sit there quietly. I'm just like, talk it out,

1568
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 2: educate me, educate us. All. All right, now, let's punk

1569
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 2: up some comments.

1570
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: We're back on the show like you normally see it,

1571
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: but look forward to that and more.

1572
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Dan Lawski. McDonald's is great.

1573
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: I remember a comedian saying he liked McDonald's and the

1574
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: crowd groaned and he went off, oh shut up, you

1575
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: all go there. I'm not the only one keeping them

1576
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: in business. I know, why do people why do people

1577
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: fight themselves on McDonald's and things like that, Like, oh,

1578
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: I hate for everyone to know I love it. I

1579
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: hate that kind of mindset, that dynamic, fascinating stories. I

1580
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: kind of had some idea of the shoe string budgets

1581
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: at ESPN.

1582
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, ESPN does not take care of.

1583
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: Their their analysts and their hosts in terms of budget,

1584
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: in terms of giving you money for your for your

1585
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: food and taking to give your money for your clothing.

1586
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: Nah na na, you get your little stipend and you

1587
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: get this big salary.

1588
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: The rest is on you. Fox.

1589
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: They do it different over there, Trent Dilferd, I agree

1590
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: with your assessment. Dilford showed no class or decency on

1591
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: the sideline. No matter the level, you don't carry yourself

1592
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: that way. He embarrassed himself more than the kid he

1593
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:14,919
Speaker 1: was verbally abusing.

1594
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:16,440
Speaker 2: Bush League.

1595
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just a horrible look to see

1596
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: somebody lose their cool, lose their temper, and y'all know

1597
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: that's bad. But what's worse is now I'm looking at

1598
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 1: you like, Oh, you gonna come to me one day

1599
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: and tell me to keep composure. You're gonna tell me

1600
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: to keep my poise. You're gonna tell me this moment

1601
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: matters and to be in the moment. I'm like, you

1602
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: lost yourself before, Coach.

1603
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 2: Not a good look.

1604
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: Here's somebody I went to high school in college Fresno State.

1605
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: But his wife, Cassie h Oh sniper. He's always had

1606
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 1: an entitled attitude, bad temper in a very short fused.

1607
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: Fresno is college town, and he was the guy, so

1608
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: he was rarely held accountable for any of his antiques

1609
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: and abuse to others.

1610
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: Sad to see that not much has changed.

1611
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about all that because I worked

1612
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 1: with Trendill for for many years and I ain't see

1613
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: all that. But not gonna say that you're lying, because

1614
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: this video certainly says different.

1615
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: And here's another one.

1616
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: Imagine that if that was Dion, was he going at

1617
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: white coaches or black coaches? Oh, we don't want to

1618
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: make it black or white.

1619
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 2: But if that were Dion, if Dion snapped like that,

1620
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 2: good lord, the world would come to the end. Last

1621
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 2: one on this Marcel's I think the worst coaches were

1622
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: actually the best players. They seem to hold everybody to

1623
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: their standards of excellence when most times that's just not attainable.

1624
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: Good point. I've seen that before. Happens a lot like

1625
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: you were, like, ain't nobody else doing it like that?

1626
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: So why are you tripping? All right, y'all? They all

1627
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: have a finishing show. We finishing with a Wiley ism. Yeah,

1628
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good to feel bad. Yes, this hit me

1629
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,879
Speaker 1: this morning, I was looking at mydy biddies.

1630
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 2: Eight year old told him what to do. He's fine

1631
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 2: with it. Four year old told her what to do.

1632
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 2: She struggled, but she was okay with it. Three year

1633
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 2: old told her what to do. She had a fit.

1634
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: Me she does this. She actually literally pokes out her

1635
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: lip like on TV, crosses both arms.

1636
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 3: Me.

1637
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,759
Speaker 2: It doesn't just like it, not just this crying.

1638
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, look, doesn't feel good to feel bad,

1639
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: So don't throw yourself a pity party. Basically, don't sulk.

1640
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: Why you soaking? Why you gotta do it all the time?

1641
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: Follow the rules. You gotta do it, and if you.

1642
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: Don't, you're gonna pay for not following the rules and

1643
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: then still going to do it. I tell my kids

1644
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: all the time, Man, you gonna have to do it.

1645
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: So the best thing to do is just get get

1646
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: to it.

1647
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 2: Do it.

1648
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 1: But if you're not, if you're gonna mess up, if

1649
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna find yourself in that funk. Doesn't feel good

1650
01:21:58,120 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: to feel bad, does it?

1651
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: Right? So why why are you still there? Move on?

1652
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: Get to get into the good place, to the good spot,

1653
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 1: to the good things.

1654
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1655
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: So I just thought about that this morning man. Looking

1656
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: at how many times people in this world you seen

1657
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: somebody You got the homie that calls you up and

1658
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: usually calls you up more inclined when they got something

1659
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: bad to say, something negative to say about somebody else,

1660
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: or something bad that happened to them.

1661
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 2: You ever called somebody what's up? Man? You're good? Oh?

1662
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: Man, man, dang dog man? You don't got on my

1663
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: phone from I wanna talk about this? Or Hey, you

1664
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: heard what happened to homie? Don't we both know?

1665
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 2: Homy? Yeah? What you call him? Yet? Nah?

1666
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: I'm telling you first see what I should say to him.

1667
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, oh Lord.

1668
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 2: Jesus man, it doesn't feel good to feel bad. Man.

1669
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: I don't want that energy. Like I'm in the process

1670
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 2: of eliminating all negative energy.

1671
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 1: At all times. So I don't have no beef for anybody.

1672
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: Anybody doesn't like me, that's a one way street. They

1673
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: don't like me, I don't. I can't name the person

1674
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: I hate in this world. I can't name the person

1675
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:02,879
Speaker 1: I dislike in this world.

1676
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 2: I got named a few people that did some bad

1677
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 2: stuff that I have acknowledged, and I have moved on

1678
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: from that. That's why I acknowledged it. I ain't acknowledge

1679
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 2: it for clicks and to go act cats and talk

1680
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 2: about anybody. Acknowledge it because dog, I want you to

1681
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 2: know that a foul I caught it. You keep going,

1682
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: stop it now, be the good person. I love who

1683
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: you are. Simples that make sure in your life, no

1684
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: matter what you're doing or what you're going through and

1685
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 2: who you're with, remind them, remind yourself. Doesn't feel good

1686
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 2: to feel bad? All right, y'all got to do it.

1687
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: For More to It, check the show notes for all

1688
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: the information on our topics today today. Want to keep

1689
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: the conversation going, Let's talk to find me on all

1690
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 1: socials at Marcel's. Wiley More Too is a production of

1691
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Production That Dude Entertainment and workhouse Media. Show

1692
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: is executive produced by Dan Patrick, Marcel's Whally, Paul Anderson,

1693
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: and Nick Panella. Thanks for all the love, ratings, and

1694
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: subscriptions and reviews membership to Wiley's World on YouTube. Keep

1695
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: it coming because there's more coming from More to It

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Speaker 1: or Helison