Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, Mandy's trying to take my hey hey,
Speaker 1: hey all isn't that great though?
Speaker 2: Look she's on board. I feel like we both own
Speaker 2: co owned the hey hey hey, oh really, or maybe
Speaker 2: fat Albert does. Since technically we stole it, you stole
Speaker 2: it from there? Why did steal it with fad Albert?
Speaker 1: Since that Bower is a fictional character, it's true, he
Speaker 1: merely he just influenced my hay hay head. No, you
Speaker 1: know who influenced it, Dwayne from What's Happening?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, legit, thanks Dwayne. Hey guys, it's episode eleven,
Speaker 2: and we have some big news. This is a very
Speaker 2: same week last week, Brown Ambition, our little podcast that could,
Speaker 2: made it to the iTunes New and Noteworthy page, which
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Speaker 2: you've been subscribing, you've been leaving reviews, but do not
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Speaker 1: Yes please do, because honestly, we were just like all
Speaker 1: geeked up.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw it.
Speaker 1: We were posting me and Mandy all over our personal
Speaker 1: social media pages like wooo, we're famous now.
Speaker 2: It's exciting. It means more people can find us exactly.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Brad. The love so buzzworthy. The first thing
Speaker 2: I wanted to start with this week since it was Halloween.
Speaker 2: Did you see Viola Davis daughter? She dressed up?
Speaker 1: How cute she dressed up? She said, Mommy, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be Elsa. I don't want to be batwoman
Speaker 1: or whatever the other choices were.
Speaker 2: I want to be you. That's so sweet. It is
Speaker 2: so sweet. And she was brained. She gave her like
Speaker 2: a little fro like her basically her Emmy speech outfit.
Speaker 2: So Minica, Supergirl, my Superman, my boo. His daughter.
Speaker 1: He has a nine year old daughter. She was a
Speaker 1: dead prom queen. Okay, yeah it was, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I just can't she died. I'm not sure, but she
Speaker 1: was wearing you know, the gray cast face and the
Speaker 1: you know gray in her hair. And I think her
Speaker 1: father loves zombie shows, so I think it was a
Speaker 1: nod to.
Speaker 2: His love of zombie show. Did you take her trick
Speaker 2: or treating? No, but her mom did. She was super cute.
Speaker 2: She's not even a candy girl. Oh great, so mom
Speaker 2: got that duty. Yeah, like nice one. I literally I
Speaker 2: stayed home. I did not leave the house. I ate
Speaker 2: some candy. I showed up to write aid Sunday morning
Speaker 2: in an emotional state, and you know how like all
Speaker 2: the Halloween candies like so I was like, I will
Speaker 2: take that one and that one and that one. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: When she was downstairs, I snuck upstairs and I saw
Speaker 1: her bag on the bed, and I said, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just gonna take all. I did all of it, but
Speaker 2: I had all the chocolate. I feel that's like the mommy,
Speaker 2: like the stepmommy share. I know, in your official step
Speaker 2: mom but you know what I mean, Yes, no, it's
Speaker 2: I mean literally I ate all of the chocolate. She
Speaker 2: didn't even notice the texts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure it's not poison. I would rather take the poison
Speaker 1: and ingested.
Speaker 2: That's true. Some kids found needles in their snickers, like
Speaker 2: that actually happened. I remember when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: It was like people found razor blades. Someone stuck like
Speaker 2: sewey needles into Snickers like mint fun sized candy bars
Speaker 2: here in New York, at both places, I can't trust anybody.
Speaker 2: My kids are not going to go trigger to you. No.
Speaker 2: I stayed my butt at home and did nothing. So
Speaker 2: Happy Halloween all you, all you fools, and that black face,
Speaker 2: we saw you, and that's why you got dragged. Our message.
Speaker 2: Our message did not reach everyone in America. There were
Speaker 2: a couple of black faces out there, yeah, but then
Speaker 2: a couple of like I saw this really hilarious. So
Speaker 2: apparently coming to America was like the thing for Halloween.
Speaker 2: Beyonce and jay Z were coming to America. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: but there was this whole like I don't know if
Speaker 2: they were a family, but it was like ten white people,
Speaker 2: like they were all different cast members, no black face,
Speaker 2: they just were the outfits. Go figure, and you could
Speaker 2: tell everyone got it. Yes, here was.
Speaker 1: Another little boy I was talking to you about earlier,
Speaker 1: who dressed them as Malcolm Max, who was a little
Speaker 1: white boy. Heah, the glasses, the suit, no black face,
Speaker 1: and I just thought that was so c you.
Speaker 2: Know who he was, Yes, he chose I would be
Speaker 2: Malcolm Max. And I said, well, okay, look at that.
Speaker 2: Good for him, good for those parents. Okay, what else
Speaker 2: is buzzing? I saw this article and my favorite magazine ever,
Speaker 2: the only magazine I actually subscribe to, New York Magazine, Okay,
Speaker 2: and it talked about how we need more older women
Speaker 2: in the office, yes, and in just in careers in general.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking, like, as I was sitting there,
Speaker 2: I'm like, let me think of older and I'm thinking
Speaker 2: older is like past fifty, maybe past forty, although that's
Speaker 2: not so old. Yeah, please don't. And there aren't any
Speaker 2: in my where I work, Like in my area, No,
Speaker 2: there's no older women. And I'm like trying to I'm
Speaker 2: even trying to think back to my last couple of jobs.
Speaker 2: Definitely when I was in my life. I worked at
Speaker 2: a startup, my last job, and it was all twenty somethings,
Speaker 2: like someone had a baby right when I quit, and
Speaker 2: they were like, oh my god, the first baby. We're
Speaker 2: all kind of growing up. And the point that the
Speaker 2: writer makes is the fact that women, young women especially
Speaker 2: need to see examples of what it looks like to
Speaker 2: juggle a career and if you have a family, a family,
Speaker 2: and when you're in your forties and fifties, and you know,
Speaker 2: not to be sexist, but you know, I think it's
Speaker 2: helpful and beneficial for a young person to be able
Speaker 2: to look to an example of like, oh, she is
Speaker 2: doing She's leaving at six pm every day, no matter what,
Speaker 2: she's setting aside her priorities, and she's still getting shit
Speaker 2: done around the office. Exactly.
Speaker 1: It was two I think with a teacher, because I
Speaker 1: was really fortunate in that I've had older women around me.
Speaker 1: I was a school teacher, so you know, it's nothing
Speaker 1: but women for the most part, and so had I
Speaker 1: used to get such great advice from the older women,
Speaker 1: and most of them had kids, so they would just
Speaker 1: give me good advice about, you know, doing what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do now before the kids came. I remember
Speaker 1: one woman in particular, she changed the trajectory of my career.
Speaker 1: I was, I don't think like nineteen or twenty. I
Speaker 1: was working or I had an internship at this corporate office,
Speaker 1: and I remember trying to decide whether or not. I
Speaker 1: just stay with them, even though I didn't like the job,
Speaker 1: but they were offering me a lot of money after college,
Speaker 1: like fifty thousand dollars a year, which is huge money
Speaker 1: for a nineteen twenty year old. And then but I
Speaker 1: really wanted to teach, so I was kind of juggling, like, oh, teach,
Speaker 1: make thirty something, corporate place, make fifty something. And she
Speaker 1: pulled me into the office and said, I heard they
Speaker 1: made you an offer and I said yeah. She said,
Speaker 1: this is a black, older woman, and she said, if
Speaker 1: you take that offer, you were be damn fool.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Oh why what was her reasoning because quite honestly, she said,
Speaker 2: she said, take a look around you.
Speaker 1: Do you see how they treat because it really was
Speaker 1: not the best place to work for personal color. I
Speaker 1: will say that like everyone of color seems to be demoded,
Speaker 1: there was really there just was nobody in like higher
Speaker 1: positions for people of color.
Speaker 2: It just was not like the best place. And I
Speaker 2: knew that.
Speaker 1: My energy, my spirit everything said this is not a
Speaker 1: good place for you, Tiffany.
Speaker 2: But I was just thinking, Oh, the money's good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so they have that perspective.
Speaker 1: MM hm, and so she's like, I've been here long
Speaker 1: enough to know, and I was just so glad I
Speaker 1: listened to her. I instead went on to teach, and
Speaker 1: then teaching led to me being the budgetista, led to
Speaker 1: me to being on broad ambition.
Speaker 2: So here we are. You know, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about mentors later in the show and how to how
Speaker 2: to find a mentor the right way. Yes, but I
Speaker 2: think this kind of ties into why for now in
Speaker 2: the past, I don't know. It seems like in the
Speaker 2: past few years, mentorship has become so huge, and I
Speaker 2: feel like women especially are so hungry for mentors because
Speaker 2: we don't have like like this article points out, like
Speaker 2: an older stage wise woman in the office, and not
Speaker 2: just like we need to have just one, you know,
Speaker 2: we need men like multiple, Like we need women who
Speaker 2: maybe aren't, you know, work all the time and chose
Speaker 2: not to have kids, women who have kids and work
Speaker 2: some of the times, like different examples, women who when
Speaker 2: I'm attorney leave and came back and some who didn't
Speaker 2: come back and maybe they're working you know, remotely some
Speaker 2: days of the week. We need very like diverse examples
Speaker 2: of what it's like to be older as a woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's true. I always have questions. I'm always like, well,
Speaker 1: so what does this look like?
Speaker 2: But what if I make this choice? So what if
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: Because even I mean now with growing my own business,
Speaker 1: entrepreneurship and relationships, sometimes I just want like a romantic
Speaker 1: relationship mentor like, well, how are you managing with your husband?
Speaker 2: Because you travel a lot and I travel a lot,
Speaker 2: So how does that look like? You know, how do
Speaker 2: you know if I have a kid? What happens to that? Like?
Speaker 2: Are your kids mad that you're always on a plane?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And so it's like I've got questions and no answers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so how do we fix this? How do you get
Speaker 2: more women to stay around? I mean, part of the
Speaker 2: problem is the fact that women, you know, tend to
Speaker 2: not get promoted as readily as men. And then also
Speaker 2: just realistically, a lot of women, not a lot of me.
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact statistic, but you have to
Speaker 2: factor in the fact that some women scale back as
Speaker 2: they go through their career, and they you know, scale
Speaker 2: back for legitimate reasons because they you know, it's a
Speaker 2: lot if you choose to have kids to juggle that
Speaker 2: and do a good job and then also kick ass
Speaker 2: and be promoted, like maybe you don't want to be
Speaker 2: the boss having to work twenty four to seven, be
Speaker 2: on email all the time when you have kids at home,
Speaker 2: like and no one can fault them for that. And
Speaker 2: that's why again, I feel like we need diverse examples
Speaker 2: like women who choose that path and women who choose
Speaker 2: other paths. But yeah, so we're going to talk to
Speaker 2: you really about how do you find someone to say yes?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, wait for our Oh wait what I say?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: How do you like? That's going to be all like
Speaker 2: our shit at the end, like, oh yeah, mentors, how
Speaker 2: to find a good mentor yeah, how to get someone
Speaker 2: to say yes? How do we get other other buzzwords?
Speaker 2: These words for today? I have one more I want
Speaker 2: to talk about. I love how it's like my job
Speaker 2: to find the buzzword. My brown break is when Tiffany
Speaker 2: shows up and has no ideas for what we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about. It's been a hard week. Listen, I know,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, Mandy is I'm gonna make for
Speaker 2: every time you go on Instagram, you have to read
Speaker 2: one article. You can read some headlines. Okay, that's my
Speaker 2: chashamed her that to love you, I couldn't do the
Speaker 2: show with that. I was just looking like, Oh, I
Speaker 2: hope baby doesn't don't have any I have one more
Speaker 2: I want to talk about. So something that was really
Speaker 2: important to me as a person, because I wasn't like,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I was a mature person. Not
Speaker 2: that anyone is when they're eighteen, but when I went
Speaker 2: to college, I didn't really have a mature view of
Speaker 2: the world. I never knew gay people, I had never
Speaker 2: met anyone really have a different religious faith. In me.
Speaker 2: I was just you know, I grew up in the South,
Speaker 2: and even though I was open to new experiences and
Speaker 2: so very i think at a young age pretty liberal,
Speaker 2: I wasn't didn't have access to very diverse groups of people,
Speaker 2: and I was hungry for it. So when I got
Speaker 2: to college, everyone's talking about study abroad. You know, are
Speaker 2: you going to go you know, oh, going to go
Speaker 2: to con for the con festival with my you know,
Speaker 2: with my journalism program. Are you going to go to
Speaker 2: Spain for a semester a broad and you know some
Speaker 2: people spent a whole year abroad. And I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: absolutely want to do that, and then I looked and
Speaker 2: it's like thousands and thousands of dollars, and I shut
Speaker 2: it down immediately. And that's what a lot of people
Speaker 2: do if you're from poor backgrounds, which you know, obviously
Speaker 2: a lot of minorities fall into that category. And there's
Speaker 2: this group called the Council on International Educational Exchange and
Speaker 2: they're trying to make it less of a barrier financially
Speaker 2: for minorities to study abroad, which I think is so
Speaker 2: important for me. The only reason I studied abroad when
Speaker 2: I was eighteen is because I found like a very
Speaker 2: obscure scholarship. It was like I think, and I wrote
Speaker 2: an essay and I had to keep emailing them like
Speaker 2: did you get my essay? Did you get my essay?
Speaker 2: And they gave me two thousand dollars, which was just enough,
Speaker 2: and it was like down to the wire. I wanted
Speaker 2: to go to Argentina for the summer, and I got
Speaker 2: this two thousand dollars scholarship which pretty much paid for
Speaker 2: airfare and paid the fees for my homestay. And that
Speaker 2: was the only reason I got to go to Argentina.
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't have I certainly couldn't save enough
Speaker 2: working part time while in school my first year to
Speaker 2: study abroad, and well.
Speaker 1: That was good, because you're right, I wanted to study
Speaker 1: your broad But I'm like, where, houseway, where's somebody coming from?
Speaker 2: Kids take out student loans for this really? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I've talked and I talked to them. They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I have this much done. I'm like, well, you say, tuition,
Speaker 2: you know costs us much a year, but that yet
Speaker 2: you have twice as much. So what's the story. You're like, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I studied abroad for two years, and you know, I
Speaker 2: think that's stupid to take student loans out for study
Speaker 2: abroad at the same time.
Speaker 1: But there are programs that are kind of like trying
Speaker 1: to Like one of my friends has this organization called
Speaker 1: Traveling mad Her name is Madeline and she was born
Speaker 1: and raised in Newark Brick City stand up, boo boo
Speaker 1: for those of you familiar with Newark. It's similar to
Speaker 1: like a Compton Detroit, that kind of thing. And you
Speaker 1: know here in Madeline was a little brown girl from
Speaker 1: Newark and she got her her master's doe I believe
Speaker 1: in Paris, and that's where she went to school. And
Speaker 1: so she because she knew she really wanted to you know,
Speaker 1: live somewhere else and study abroad. And so now she
Speaker 1: started traveling mad to take kids, especially from Newark who've
Speaker 1: never been anywhere, never had had a passport to take
Speaker 1: them to other countries for a few weeks. So she
Speaker 1: just last year she successfully successfully took between ten and
Speaker 1: twenty kids from Newark to London.
Speaker 2: I did like an exchange program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just so great, and I'm just like, wow,
Speaker 1: so these high school kids got to go to London.
Speaker 2: That's important. Yeah, And this is where I was going
Speaker 2: with the whole stupid anecdote about my gay high school
Speaker 2: boyfriend and like how I wasn't a mature adult, cause
Speaker 2: I feel like it wasn't until I went to Argentina
Speaker 2: when I was eighteen. When I when I lived in
Speaker 2: like a kind of poor neighborhood, and I you know,
Speaker 2: I volunteered at a prison at one point. I didn't
Speaker 2: understand all the Spanish, so I didn't know I was
Speaker 2: a prison. They were like alcoholics or something. And it
Speaker 2: really like changed my worldview, I mean, and not just
Speaker 2: like little things too. I didn't eat vegetables before I
Speaker 2: moved to Argentina, like I didn't like tomatoes. I didn't
Speaker 2: like onions, lettuce, like nothing. I like ate potatoes and corn. Wow.
Speaker 2: And then I went to Argentina and you have a
Speaker 2: family preparing you a meal for you know, out of
Speaker 2: their own good will and heart. You can't and you
Speaker 2: can't not eat it. And then I just, you know,
Speaker 2: my entire, my entire like view of food change and
Speaker 2: now I eat everything, and it's like and it was
Speaker 2: just it was a very crucial sort of like nothing
Speaker 2: I could have learned in a classroom experience. But sure
Speaker 2: travel is critical. Yeah, so yeah, And just so you know,
Speaker 2: this group again is called counsel and International Educational Exchange.
Speaker 2: They are giving twenty million dollars in scholarships over the
Speaker 2: next five years to people of color when you study
Speaker 2: abroad and passwords. It is www dot c I EE
Speaker 2: dot org c I E E E C E yay.
Speaker 2: And by the way, when I just a real quick
Speaker 2: note on traveling, maybe we should bring us up another time.
Speaker 2: But like when I graduated college, I turned out a
Speaker 2: job and I went to travel for six months. And
Speaker 2: when I came back without having any job experience, the
Speaker 2: number one thing people wanted to talk about was that
Speaker 2: trip I went on, Like I put it on my
Speaker 2: red that I've been traveling and like, I mean, I
Speaker 2: was working kind of abroad. But it's just it's like
Speaker 2: the kind of experience that job, like hiring managers want
Speaker 2: you want to see in someone and like I want
Speaker 2: to see Yeah. So I feel like it helped me that.
Speaker 2: All Right, blawn break, brown break, bbe do you want
Speaker 2: to go first? Yes? Did you come with the brown break?
Speaker 1: At least? So my brown break is actually kind of serious.
Speaker 1: Y'all know to me to meet it. Y'all know me
Speaker 1: to be a little bit silly, just a little bit,
Speaker 1: but honestly, this is a serious one. I want to
Speaker 1: take a brown break from victim shaming. So victim shaming
Speaker 1: is basically when something happens to someone and instead of saying, hey,
Speaker 1: person who attacked said victim, we are instead of going
Speaker 1: to blame the victim and said, well, what could you
Speaker 1: have done differently not to be raked? Or what could
Speaker 1: you have done differently not to be persecuted, or what
Speaker 1: could you have done differently not to be you know,
Speaker 1: abused or just like attacked. It just seems ridiculous, right,
Speaker 1: So you think here, so well, that just seems crazy.
Speaker 2: But we do it over and over. Like the young
Speaker 2: woman who we all saw.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you have not seen it, then you
Speaker 1: are not on social media, or don't watch the news,
Speaker 1: or just don't have TV or live in nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 1: that the young girl who was in middle school, that
Speaker 1: middle school, elementary school, No, it.
Speaker 2: Was middle school, it was middle school. He was fourteen,
Speaker 2: she was fourteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, she was in her classroom and I guess she
Speaker 1: wasn't participating. The teacher called a security person and he
Speaker 1: came to the classroom and you see him, I guess,
Speaker 1: speak to her and then you see him like kind
Speaker 1: of put her in the headlock and then flip her
Speaker 1: chair over and then.
Speaker 2: Very disturbing, Yeah, throw her.
Speaker 1: Across the room and then like drag her and then
Speaker 1: you see, I guess there's the students describe that he's
Speaker 1: now putting her hands behind her back like this is
Speaker 1: like literally the girls like hmm, maybe five six, like
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten pounds, and this guy's a powerlifter,
Speaker 1: like to something three hundred pounds huge, and so many people,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, there's outrage against this huge man
Speaker 1: attacking this girl But what really surprised me and disappointed
Speaker 1: me were so many people were like, well, these kids today,
Speaker 1: they got to learn to respect folks, these kids today,
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: I Like, if you were physically here, and I don't
Speaker 1: even get violent, I just would would like to just
Speaker 1: mush you in the face.
Speaker 2: What does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Mushy right, like you know, like the old school mush
Speaker 1: like you do your little sister when they're all in
Speaker 1: your business, Like just mush you in the face. Because
Speaker 1: how foolish do you sound to say that somehow a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old is big enough or intimidating enough to
Speaker 1: require a man that is nearly three hundred pounds and
Speaker 1: power lifts six hundred pounds, that it would require him
Speaker 1: to throw her cross the room, flip her desk over,
Speaker 1: and just treat her like a rag doll. And it
Speaker 1: just the fact that the other students didn't seem even
Speaker 1: as shocked, because this is some person who was known
Speaker 1: for his violence against the students. And then to say, somehow,
Speaker 1: these kids today need to be respectful. Not that it
Speaker 1: should matter, but that girl apparently has lost both her
Speaker 1: grandmother and her mother in the last year and she
Speaker 1: was not participating because she is in a state of
Speaker 1: deep depression, as we all would be, and she's in
Speaker 1: a foster home. Not that that should matter, but cause
Speaker 1: I was a teacher, quite honestly for ten years, I've
Speaker 1: had kids spit literally in my face, like hawk spit,
Speaker 1: that's when you.
Speaker 2: Go a t in my fi in my face.
Speaker 1: I actually had a child to use his head against
Speaker 1: me as a weapon. They used to teach us this
Speaker 1: hold when like a little one was like really like
Speaker 1: like about to hurt himself, that you would basically give
Speaker 1: them a beer hook from behind and just kind.
Speaker 2: Of subdue them.
Speaker 1: He would wait until he was calm and trick me,
Speaker 1: and then this little boy would use his head and
Speaker 1: throw his head back into my chin. And one time
Speaker 1: I nearly blacked out and still didn't throw him. And
Speaker 1: so it is possible to deal with children and know
Speaker 1: that sometimes kids come with their issues and not abuse them.
Speaker 1: And it's just so crazy to me that someone would
Speaker 1: look at that and say, well, what did she do?
Speaker 2: I don't care what she did. She's not light common. Yeah,
Speaker 2: victim shaming, I mean victim blaming. It's I mean this,
Speaker 2: and especially when it comes to young black. Mm hmmm,
Speaker 2: we're brown kids. And I remember that the pool party
Speaker 2: in Texas where those kids were like you know, the
Speaker 2: cops were called for some reason or another, and then
Speaker 2: there was all there was this one young woman she
Speaker 2: was about the same age as this girl too, about fourteen,
Speaker 2: and she you know, was talking back to the cop
Speaker 2: and then he dragged her and put her on the
Speaker 2: ground and like was being forceful with her. And then
Speaker 2: there were I mean, I think in that situation like
Speaker 2: we wouldn't ever The question is when you when people
Speaker 2: are afraid of being blamed for what they've done, Like,
Speaker 2: the question is like would they ever report mistreatment? Like
Speaker 2: if there were if these kids in this classroom or
Speaker 2: at us pole party hadn't taken cell phone videos and
Speaker 2: had this evidence, would these girls feel you know, or
Speaker 2: would people believe them when they spoke up for them? Likely?
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: That's the sad part. It's not that the stuff is
Speaker 2: happening more frequently, these attacks on brown people in general,
Speaker 2: black people, young people, old, But the fact that we
Speaker 2: have evidence now and people are taking it, you have
Speaker 2: to take it seriously.
Speaker 1: Can't people say that video you know he's not and
Speaker 1: you know, so crazy and ridiculous when they said, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he has a African American girlfriend.
Speaker 2: First of all, is the flying.
Speaker 1: I saw, I met, I saw the best comment. Someone said,
Speaker 1: if having sex with a woman of color cured you
Speaker 1: of your racism, then Thomas Jefferson would have would have
Speaker 1: freed the slaves.
Speaker 2: So what does that even mean?
Speaker 1: He's having sex with a black woman that makes him
Speaker 1: not It means nothing, because honestly, let's be real, like
Speaker 1: everybody knows Terry Crews, right, Terry Crews is like this
Speaker 1: huge black guy who he like, what's some movies that
Speaker 1: he's in?
Speaker 2: Everybody he hates Chris.
Speaker 1: He'sn't even Brooklyn nine nine I think, so he's also
Speaker 1: the father and everybody hates Chris.
Speaker 2: He's huge, he's muscular. You must watch his lip sync
Speaker 2: battle performance Vanessa Vanessa, what's her face? A thousand miles?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, he is hilarious. So Terry K's huge
Speaker 2: black dude.
Speaker 1: Imagine Terry Crews throwing Dakota Fanning like the little girl
Speaker 1: from right, or just anybody tailor not even Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking of like one of these little like
Speaker 1: a good breeze would throw Taylor Swift right, like Ariana
Speaker 1: Grande all the little girl fall with love area Gronde right.
Speaker 2: Just imagine him throwing her.
Speaker 1: They would be up they would he would be in
Speaker 1: jail right now because it would be so much upward.
Speaker 2: How dare he?
Speaker 1: So don't tell me it's not about race, because if
Speaker 1: the shoe was on the other foot, there would be
Speaker 1: this rage of how dare someone do this to this girl?
Speaker 1: But instead it's you know, what does she do to
Speaker 1: deserve it? She must have sassed him, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm just so sick of it.
Speaker 2: There And you know what black women especially are throughout history.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's not get too deep into it, but
Speaker 2: let's just be real, and black women are more likely
Speaker 2: to be abused than other women in general. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean by by police, by the financial system, by pretty
Speaker 2: much every establishment in the country. I was just and
Speaker 2: this sort of ties into it too. There was this
Speaker 2: and especially about the fact that the black female body
Speaker 2: has been abused in so many different ways, over sexualized,
Speaker 2: you know, physically abused for so long without any repercussions
Speaker 2: for those who have been doing it. There was this
Speaker 2: cop that who's just starting the trial now, although it
Speaker 2: happened a year ago, he was found to have sexually
Speaker 2: assaulted eight black women who lived in this all this
Speaker 2: one neighborhood. I forget, I forget exactly where it was.
Speaker 2: But the only reason he was caught, he was he
Speaker 2: was he was patrolling a low income kind of area
Speaker 2: and the only reason he got caught was because a
Speaker 2: woman who was returning from like a book club or something,
Speaker 2: or a cooking club with some of her friends, who
Speaker 2: was middle class and educated, and you know, he stopped
Speaker 2: her and she didn't unlike the other women he'd been
Speaker 2: stopping who had like prior arrests, drug convictions, you know,
Speaker 2: stuff that he could hold over their head. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: didn't have any of that. So she called the cops
Speaker 2: on him. And that's the only reason because she felt
Speaker 2: she felt empowered enough to speak up. And so often
Speaker 2: women of color don't feel that empowered. And it's sad
Speaker 2: because it was going How long could that have gone on?
Speaker 2: Exactly whatever? People?
Speaker 1: Because you choose, you know, he was so careful to
Speaker 1: choose women that he knew that felt powerless.
Speaker 2: Then it's like his word and oh my god, you
Speaker 2: read the article. BuzzFeed did a really, really good in
Speaker 2: depth article on it. At the very end, they put
Speaker 2: in this quote from an attorney who's like, you know,
Speaker 2: these are people who have drug convictions and prostitution, and
Speaker 2: like you're going to believe them over him. That's literally
Speaker 2: what he was saying. And that's what drives me nuts
Speaker 2: because they're basically like he can get away with it
Speaker 2: because he's choosing people who, you know, people will never
Speaker 2: believe their word against me an upstanding white man's word. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's just so crazy. It's just I'm just so sign.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, ever since, I mean just even recently,
Speaker 1: ever since, just like talking about the over sexualization of
Speaker 1: black women in their bodies. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: speak professionally and there I've been in locations where someone
Speaker 1: has said to me, Wow, Timmy, you're behind it's so big.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how how was that appropriate conversation? I'm about
Speaker 1: to come up here and you've hired me to come speak,
Speaker 1: Like what does that even mean? Or just like I'm
Speaker 1: always like I always think to myself like, oh, like
Speaker 1: there's nothing i can do. I'm just built a certain way,
Speaker 1: but I'm always so self conscious about covering up, covering up.
Speaker 2: This kind of ties into my brown break. Okay, way, yes,
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about and Tiffy and I talk
Speaker 2: about it too, like how do you dress for success
Speaker 2: when you're a woman of color and you have assets
Speaker 2: and a body type that you know clothes don't fit you.
Speaker 2: They don't fit you like everyone else. And if you
Speaker 2: wear something tight, you can be seen as being sexy
Speaker 2: when you're just trying to look good for work. So
Speaker 2: my brown break this week is actually dress codes. This
Speaker 2: is at like the high school, middle school, elementary school level.
Speaker 2: I saw this posts. It's kind of going viral. This
Speaker 2: young girl, she's white from the school I think in Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Texas again, right, I'll check on that, but I'm just
Speaker 2: like one more reason to hate Texas. Sorry, Texans, I'm
Speaker 2: not sorry. So this girl she posts this outfit she's
Speaker 2: wearing like a three quarter length shirt covered up to
Speaker 2: the collar. It's not even a cute outfit. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, it's not. And like a black
Speaker 2: and white striped shirt completely covered up, baggy too, and
Speaker 2: then like a it would be on a normal average
Speaker 2: height girl, a knee link khaki skirt, and on her
Speaker 2: because she's very tall, it comes up a couple inches
Speaker 2: above her knee. Apparently she was walking down the hallway
Speaker 2: in an administrator or just another teacher stops her and
Speaker 2: makes her basically tells her to go home and change.
Speaker 2: I think she ended up getting suspended too. And this
Speaker 2: girl wrote like a really badass Facebook post, she said, yes,
Speaker 2: I am a woman. I'm a woman with thighs, a butt,
Speaker 2: and a brain. I am bigger than this high school
Speaker 2: is called Beaufort High School. All of us are. Maybe
Speaker 2: instead of wearing about my skirt, the school should take
Speaker 2: notice of its incompetent employees and sexist leaders. Wow. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they're gonna love her go tomorrow, right. But I
Speaker 2: can't help but think of the fact that so dress
Speaker 2: codes are a hot, like a very like a hot
Speaker 2: debated topic. I feel like in the school, if you're
Speaker 2: a parent or you're you know, you study education anyway,
Speaker 2: because research has shown that when you're talking about enforcement
Speaker 2: of dress codes, who do you think it's punished more girls,
Speaker 2: of course, but like white girls are brown.
Speaker 1: Girls, I'm assuming brown girls definitely all that base, all
Speaker 1: that base because there's just certain things it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: your body.
Speaker 2: I just I can't help the fact that I have.
Speaker 1: A behind, Like I've literally been like, all right, if
Speaker 1: I get a size fourteen, which is ginormous, I can
Speaker 1: cover my butt, but then it doesn't fit anyplace else.
Speaker 1: And if I wear my size, it's like, well sheesh,
Speaker 1: look at that behind, and you're just like, well, what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2: And there's no like, there's no like nationwide data on
Speaker 2: how people are punished, how young people are punished. But
Speaker 2: there's one example in North Carolina. For two thousand and
Speaker 2: nine academic year, black students in North Carolina were suspended
Speaker 2: at rates significantly higher than white students, eight times higher
Speaker 2: for self and you six times higher than white kids
Speaker 2: for dress code violations. I think this is for both
Speaker 2: men and or girls and boys. But I just feel
Speaker 2: like the fact that women, black women are just already
Speaker 2: seen as like hyper sexual creatures, like oh, when a
Speaker 2: young girl starts developing, it's like her breasts are dangerous.
Speaker 2: A brown girl's breast are dangerous. And you know you're Latina,
Speaker 2: you're black, you have hips and thighs, like that's just
Speaker 2: part of the package, you know, for not everybody, obviously,
Speaker 2: but for a lot of you. And it's hard being
Speaker 2: young when you have these like restrictive dress codes telling
Speaker 2: you what to wear. So I feels you and for
Speaker 2: people trying to dress for work, I don't know. It
Speaker 2: takes a while. How old am I twenty eight and
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: the other day I was walking, I was wearing a
Speaker 2: skirt and my boyfriend happened he would just like happened to
Speaker 2: be on the same train. Who's behind me? And I
Speaker 2: get a call from him. He's like, babe, I can
Speaker 2: see your underwear because my skirt was high in the
Speaker 2: back and I didn't realize and they had been hiked
Speaker 2: up from when I was sitting down. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, because it looked right in the front.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember the first time I realized I had
Speaker 1: a But I had to be like I used to
Speaker 1: play on the tennis team, so here I was a
Speaker 1: little chocolate chip amongst all this vanilla, and I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I loved it. We had a good time. And then
Speaker 1: I remember, like I was wearing my tennis skirt. You know,
Speaker 1: tennis skirts are short, but you wear these little like
Speaker 1: tennis shorts underneath them, and like the girls on the
Speaker 1: tennis team were like Tiffany like she.
Speaker 2: Was like pulling down the skirt from the back.
Speaker 1: She's like, your skirt is like up in the back,
Speaker 1: and it took her a minute to realize.
Speaker 2: That's your bud. Oh my god. Oh yeah before would
Speaker 2: you say? I said, you told that story before?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just like that was when I
Speaker 1: first realized, like I'm built different.
Speaker 2: Oh, the schools in South Carolina. Sorry, Texas, you off
Speaker 2: the hook for now, I'm sure. Well, let me stop.
Speaker 2: The Carolinas are good. And that wasn't that the story
Speaker 2: of the girl who was thrown by the officer wasn't
Speaker 2: I South Carolina? I resa mm hmmm. So we're taking
Speaker 2: a break from y'all. We need to break from dress
Speaker 2: codes maybe South Carolina in total, and also victim shaming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know who you are. What's support each other?
Speaker 1: Wait, okay, we're gonna harmonize.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll do some right now, I'll do whatever I
Speaker 2: just did.
Speaker 1: Fun too, ready to go exactly what big sap M?
Speaker 2: Maybe not? I'm bored. We're gonna do this now. I
Speaker 2: like karaoke. I know my limitations, I know your weaknesses. Me.
Speaker 2: I'm going for I'm microphone check want to I'm gonna
Speaker 2: try not to get angry about these tips. This topic,
Speaker 2: which is how to find a mentor, how to secure
Speaker 2: a mentor, it sounds like catching a fish or like
Speaker 2: trying to hunt something down because some and I'm especially
Speaker 2: thinking about girls now having like being in a place
Speaker 2: now where people are asking me for advice, and like
Speaker 2: they come up to you with this glint in their
Speaker 2: eye like I want to collect you, yes, or I
Speaker 2: want you to make me the weirdest career pick your brain.
Speaker 2: I'm like picking sounds terrible. So mentors are important, especially
Speaker 2: when we're just talking about how there's not enough older women,
Speaker 2: like established career women around the office. Maybe so you
Speaker 2: need to reach out to other people like you need
Speaker 2: for us like a Linnet Kalifani cop Yeah, Gale Harry Mason, Well,
Speaker 2: I just met.
Speaker 1: She's the author of like the Girl, Get Your Credit Straight, Girl,
Speaker 1: Get Your Money Write Books. She's totally dope, one of
Speaker 1: the first first women of color to actually talk to
Speaker 1: other women of color about money and write a book
Speaker 1: about it and be a bestseller.
Speaker 2: So the problem is there's not enough of these people
Speaker 2: to go around, and everyone wants and needs and should
Speaker 2: be looking for someone to mentor quote unquote them. And
Speaker 2: I want to talk about for me, like first to
Speaker 2: talk about the definition of mentorship. I don't think that
Speaker 2: you should. I feel like you should adjust your expectations
Speaker 2: before you look for a mentor, especially now everyone is
Speaker 2: so busy. I feel like an email once a month
Speaker 2: is a lot, I mean, and I feel like when
Speaker 2: you're asking for advice, you should always keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: It depends on your relationship with someone too. If it's
Speaker 2: someone that you work with every day, that's a little
Speaker 2: bit easier. Obviously you'll see them, but you need to
Speaker 2: look at who the person you're talking to and who
Speaker 2: you're trying to reach. Look at who they are, and
Speaker 2: you can pretty much get a good idea of how
Speaker 2: busy they may be. And then Taylor, how often you're
Speaker 2: bombarding them with questions around that?
Speaker 1: And you know Tim Ferriss of four Week, the four
Speaker 1: Hour work Week fame, right, So she has this actually
Speaker 1: a really great post about how he got Jack Canfield,
Speaker 1: the guy who does the chicken soup for the Soul series,
Speaker 1: how he got him to be a mentor. They talk
Speaker 1: once a year, once a year, but Jack gives him
Speaker 1: his entire life, and he said what he did was
Speaker 1: he met Jack Canfield. Jack Campill was like, Oh, if
Speaker 1: you don't have any questions whatever, make sure you call me,
Speaker 1: email me. And you know, everybody says that they don't
Speaker 1: need it, that's a lie. They don't need him. And
Speaker 1: so he Tim Ferris said it took him like a
Speaker 1: year or six months something like that to figure out
Speaker 1: the perfect question to ask Jack, because he knew that
Speaker 1: he'd if he asked him a question that he could
Speaker 1: google or get the answer from from someone else, then
Speaker 1: that would be like his last time to kind of
Speaker 1: like connect with him. So he said it took him
Speaker 1: months on months on months to find a question that
Speaker 1: only mister Canfield himself could answer. So WANTI would show
Speaker 1: that that Tim had done the research too, that he
Speaker 1: respected his time, and three that he was insightful and
Speaker 1: that he could be poured into.
Speaker 2: And so he came up with this question.
Speaker 1: Jack loved it, answered him when above and beyond, And
Speaker 1: the next time they spoke was like a year later.
Speaker 2: But you want to know the question. I know, I
Speaker 2: guess you get lesson though that's true, you should really think. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like when you. I hate feeling out
Speaker 2: job applications. We have to write a new When you
Speaker 2: have to write a new like missions, what's it called
Speaker 2: cover letter each time, and you really have to tailor
Speaker 2: it to the job that you want into the specific Yeah,
Speaker 2: try and figure out exactly who you're talking to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's because that obviously it shows that you really take
Speaker 2: time out here.
Speaker 1: Because if you reach out like so, I get a
Speaker 1: lot of young girls that reach out to me and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, miss Bunjaniza, I'd love, you know, to
Speaker 1: ask you this question. The young girls, I don't mind
Speaker 1: because y'all don't know no better. So you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen whatever. But then when I get someone who's
Speaker 1: a little bit older, like once you pass your mid
Speaker 1: twenty twenties, I'm like, okay, I want you to be
Speaker 1: just a little bit more mindful.
Speaker 2: But if you ask me a.
Speaker 1: Question that it's like if obvious a quick surveillance of
Speaker 1: my website that I don't do, or a question that
Speaker 1: literally it is something that you could google, it seems
Speaker 1: like like you're not even willing to put the effort in.
Speaker 2: But then you want me to pour into you, so
Speaker 2: you might ask me.
Speaker 1: A question like, Hey, how much do speakers get paid?
Speaker 2: Or something like that. I'm like, that's a quick google.
Speaker 1: Now if you were to say, Hey, Tiffany, you know
Speaker 1: I'm really going into I want to start teaching financial
Speaker 1: education and I live in Detroit. I see that you
Speaker 1: started off with, you know, nonprofits. Did you feel that
Speaker 1: that was the best way to begin something like that?
Speaker 1: Now you have my attention. Now, I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can give you a specific answer because you might not
Speaker 1: get because you know, you might be number I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get like twenty or thirty people a day
Speaker 1: asking me, you know, a question, So you can't keep
Speaker 1: coming back to the well, I can't allow for that.
Speaker 1: So if you wasted your question on something you can google, Well,
Speaker 1: they want a.
Speaker 2: Question, y'all better be careful with one question.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what it is, Just that, like when
Speaker 1: people show thoughtfulness, it makes me want to give more.
Speaker 2: I've never really been one to like look for a mentor.
Speaker 2: I've asked people for advice, but I don't even put
Speaker 2: that pressure on someone in my own head to think
Speaker 2: they're my mentor they're gonna help me. I have a
Speaker 2: bunch of different people I've asked advice not just women,
Speaker 2: but men too, and I talked about that before. It's
Speaker 2: important to have male mentors. You want to know what
Speaker 2: they're making, so as you know almost more than maybe
Speaker 2: a woman, or at least know what a man and
Speaker 2: a woman are making, so you can compare and see
Speaker 2: if something's going on there you should pay attention to.
Speaker 2: I think it's important to look for mentors who are
Speaker 2: not always just like you. Yeah, agreed, maybe not, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're obviously and then this is just a thing
Speaker 2: like when you're brown and you see the other brown
Speaker 2: person in the office, maybe you gravitate toward them for
Speaker 2: a certain way. But I don't think that you should
Speaker 2: limit yourself in that way either. And don't look only
Speaker 2: for you know, if you're Latino, only look for Latina
Speaker 2: woman mentor, or only look for a black mentor if
Speaker 2: you're black, Like I think that's important, but you need
Speaker 2: other perspectives too, And just know that.
Speaker 1: Being a mentor mentee it's a give it like a
Speaker 1: give and take, meaning that what do you bring to
Speaker 1: the table, So you.
Speaker 2: Should have accomplished thing like whatever question you're asking. Let's say,
Speaker 2: and I just had someone come to me actually for
Speaker 2: a while, and I talked to her for a long
Speaker 2: time because I ramble, but she wanted to know about
Speaker 2: she had a question about she she wanted to get promoted,
Speaker 2: but she didn't feel like it was going to be happening.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, you know, have you been
Speaker 2: keeping track of what you've been doing the past year?
Speaker 2: Do you have an exact idea of what job you want?
Speaker 2: She's working for a startup, so the job she get
Speaker 2: promoted you doesn't really exist yet, and she's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I've only thought about it. I'm like, well, you have
Speaker 2: to have some sort of a plan before. How can
Speaker 2: I help you? Like, you know, I feel like the
Speaker 2: questions shouldn't have been like how do I get promoted?
Speaker 2: It should have been like, how do I figure out
Speaker 2: what's the job that I want to do that I
Speaker 2: can pitch to them? Or how do I what's the
Speaker 2: right way to bring up all the things I've done
Speaker 2: in the past year when I'm building my keys for promotion,
Speaker 2: And that would have been a much more like efficient
Speaker 2: use of time.
Speaker 1: And also too, it's like do the work like I
Speaker 1: love you, like if you're asking me like how do
Speaker 1: I take the first step, I'm like, oh boy, you're not.
Speaker 1: You have to do the work, like, do the first
Speaker 1: five to ten steps on your and when you literally
Speaker 1: have no other steps to take, that's when you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I can ask because then when you come to me,
Speaker 1: or you come to Mandy, you come to somebody that
Speaker 1: you have a question, you can say, look at all
Speaker 1: the work that I've done. I'm fully invested in this
Speaker 1: new project or whatever it is I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: I just don't know where to go next. Now that's an.
Speaker 1: Easy direct versus like how do you start a business?
Speaker 2: What that? Oh my god? You know what? The biggest
Speaker 2: question I get now is how do you start a podcast?
Speaker 2: It's just like I'm like, well, I'm you know, I
Speaker 2: just went to a conference and I signed up to
Speaker 2: tell people how to start a podcast. So I blame
Speaker 2: myself for this. And now I'm like, I'm I and
Speaker 2: if anyone's listening from that conference, I'm preparing that tip
Speaker 2: sheet as we speak, I'm going to do it. It's
Speaker 2: only been three weeks. I'm late, I know, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's such a broad question. And the way that I
Speaker 2: found out was www dot Google dot com. You know,
Speaker 2: did you know Google is free? What? Maybe even charge
Speaker 2: you what for free? There's no libraries or you do
Speaker 2: be a library card exactly. You can do Google on
Speaker 2: the train, on the plane. Words are hard, I know,
Speaker 2: reading is difficult even I'm like reading these A lot
Speaker 2: of the stuff I've done with this is I don't
Speaker 2: read directions in general. So doing this podcast and learning
Speaker 2: how to edit and learning what equipment I needed, I
Speaker 2: just skimmed and I was just like, I'll just buy
Speaker 2: this thing and hope it's right. So I did like
Speaker 2: that groundwork myself, and the kind of questions I'm asking,
Speaker 2: Like we are part of this really seecer like financial
Speaker 2: kind of group, and I never want to ask a
Speaker 2: dumb question in that group. I want to ask a
Speaker 2: very specific question. People can answer questions, answer, you know,
Speaker 2: and answer in a way that'll make them look smart.
Speaker 2: People like you to ask questions that only they could
Speaker 2: know that makes them look good, you know. And so
Speaker 2: I waited to have really specific questions about the inner
Speaker 2: workings of a podcast, like specific things like you know,
Speaker 2: did you use this platform to edit?
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 2: How do you edit? Yeah, like what did you think
Speaker 2: of this certain platform? What do you think of this
Speaker 2: certain show. If you're doing some of the work, Oh yeah, hella.
Speaker 2: And and I feel like with any big thing like that,
Speaker 2: you should always do the work yourself. I mean, no
Speaker 2: one's gonna walk you through, no one has time to
Speaker 2: watch every step, no one has time. It's just and
Speaker 2: you shouldn't feel you shouldn't get let down when people
Speaker 2: aren't sitting down with you for two hours to tell.
Speaker 1: You how, because yeah, and I get it, because I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Manda, you've done that before. Because I know
Speaker 1: I've made the mistake of like asking for too much,
Speaker 1: you know when I first started out, and I look
Speaker 1: back at that and I'm like, Okay, so now I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I.
Speaker 2: Really do the work.
Speaker 1: I google YouTube by, I do as much as I can,
Speaker 1: and then when I'm at the end of my rope
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, okay, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: Then I'll reach out and then usually it's just a
Speaker 1: quick redirect then I'm back to work again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's some tips about how you can get yourself
Speaker 1: a mentor. We have not mentioned any of our social
Speaker 1: media platforms.
Speaker 2: We're doing terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, if you have a brown break, if you
Speaker 1: have some tips that you like for us to go over.
Speaker 2: You can tweet it at the BA podcasts at Twitter
Speaker 2: or email us Brown. You guys have been emailing a
Speaker 2: lot actually Brown Ambition Podcasts at gmail dot com. We
Speaker 2: actually just love if you have any questions, like if
Speaker 2: you have a question that you want answered on the air,
Speaker 2: quote unquote, we'd love to get those from you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you could also hit us on Facebook, Brown Ambition.
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Speaker 2: Brown Ambition. I was interviewed on Stacking Benjamin's podcast, Yeah
Speaker 2: Past Week, which is a huge podcast. Yeah super so,
Speaker 2: Hi Joe Money, thanks for having us on, and you
Speaker 2: guys should definitely check out his podcast, you know after
Speaker 2: you download ours. Of course, it's called Stacking Benjamin's and
Speaker 2: he does a lot of like great personal finance investing
Speaker 2: advice and sometimes he has great guests on including yours
Speaker 2: truly trying to think what are the wins. We had
Speaker 2: a win, a submission from a reader, which we love. Yes,
Speaker 2: this reader's name is Tip, I think so. Yeah. She
Speaker 2: called out a young woman, a youth entrepreneur from New Jersey,
Speaker 2: I think Jersey Jersey. Her name is Essence Moore as
Speaker 2: a teenager. She as a teen. I don't know exactly
Speaker 2: how old she is. How old is she? She's really young.
Speaker 2: She's like young teen, not like eighteen, like oh man, yeah, like,
Speaker 2: So she owns she owns a company called Essence Couture
Speaker 2: and Essence Couture University and Essence Couture Publishing. What what
Speaker 2: it's she woman? Wait? She released a book called sixth
Speaker 2: Grade Middle School Chronicles. Wow this I thought she owned
Speaker 2: a spa. She does. It's oh my god. She also
Speaker 2: owns a spot. I didn't even know about the other stuff.
Speaker 2: And on that. She's a teen mogul. Okay, no wonder
Speaker 2: she's wait, she's only sixteen years old. Wow.
Speaker 1: So she owns a spa in Paseic, New Jersey. So
Speaker 1: it's Essence Couture Spam Boutique, seventy one Market Street, Pasaic,
Speaker 1: New Jersey. So she started it for teens and tweens.
Speaker 1: How dope is that? Wait?
Speaker 2: I can't even handle her about me? Hold on it,
Speaker 2: says teen preneur, teen preneur, children, tweens and teens, stylist,
Speaker 2: fashion designer, actress, motivational speaker, and author Essence More has
Speaker 2: been in various fashion shows, passions and karate turning. Yes,
Speaker 2: this is so cute, Essence, this is adorable. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: need you, Essence though, to pick a lane. No, but no,
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like this was how I was
Speaker 2: when I was in college. I was literally in every
Speaker 2: single extra. She's still trying to figure it out. No,
Speaker 2: I think I think this is exciting, And I think
Speaker 2: this is like the part when you're when the time
Speaker 2: in your life when you're so young and energetic, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna try every single thing and I don't want to
Speaker 2: just be pinned down to one thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think this is just so great because honestly,
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, I was still trying to figure
Speaker 1: out which hairstyle works best for my face.
Speaker 2: When I was fourteen, I was trying to figure out
Speaker 2: why my hair would not do what Lizzie macguires did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I gave up on when I was ten. I was
Speaker 2: still trying to have white girl hair. When I was Oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't even a baby, bro, you did, Oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know I was a hot mess. I had the
Speaker 2: most listened I know I'm segueing but like or going
Speaker 2: off topic, but I had the most like straight to
Speaker 2: my heart conversation in the bathroom last week with another
Speaker 2: mixed girl in my office who I've seen around but
Speaker 2: i'd never like, I don't know her story. I don't
Speaker 2: know she's like black and white or whatever, but she's
Speaker 2: we're both black and white, both had white mothers, both
Speaker 2: raised a majority of time by the white mothers. And
Speaker 2: she and I just had this like come to Jesus
Speaker 2: moek with each other. We just like later we were
Speaker 2: like your mom too, your mom took you to the
Speaker 2: mall and got the one black salon to do your
Speaker 2: hair when you're young. And we're like, I'm like, i've
Speaker 2: never seen my hair natural. I don't know what my
Speaker 2: whole real hair looks like. And she's like me either,
Speaker 2: and she's, you know, going through the whole transition thing
Speaker 2: and I'm transitioning and I was giving tips and she
Speaker 2: was giving me tips. It was like you found your
Speaker 2: sister from another mixer and it was nice to relate. Sorry, essence, more,
Speaker 2: I just hijacked your wind.
Speaker 1: Yes, but Essence, you are a winner, chicken dinner overachiever.
Speaker 2: Keep going. Yes, I think that she seemed to be
Speaker 2: my mentor, right, essence? Can you teach me your ways?
Speaker 2: See how that sounds? That's how y'all sound? Tea? Oh
Speaker 2: I had one? Well when oh two? Mara just kidding,
Speaker 2: I have all the ideas. Addition, I'm not really like
Speaker 2: mad I'm not. I love Ti so real quick. You know,
Speaker 2: The Wiz is coming out the live Broadway show. They're
Speaker 2: doing it. They're doing like a mini documentary on today's show,
Speaker 2: I think, going behind the scenes like the the Dorothy
Speaker 2: for The Whiz Live. It's a girl called Shaw niece Williams.
Speaker 2: She's from New Jersey and the Jersey Girl and she's
Speaker 2: like so cute and so sweet. Have been following her
Speaker 2: on Instagram. It's just cute to see her, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: she's surrounded by all these really famous like the who's
Speaker 2: Who of Black entertainment. Who's else said it like Alfred Woodard,
Speaker 2: Jennifer Hudson. Yeah, she's Nigerian. Whoo Woo Niga girls and
Speaker 2: she's ebo. Yeah bo. That's just a huge brown wind
Speaker 2: when you pay attention to that. I think it's coming
Speaker 2: out early December or late November. That's like, that's gonna
Speaker 2: be fun. Yes, And then I you know, I told
Speaker 2: you last week, I'm obsessed with Jane the Virgin. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I spent all weekend catching up and it's so good.
Speaker 2: You need to watch it when next time you get
Speaker 2: sick or something like that, just watch. So, Gina Rodriguez
Speaker 2: is the main character, and she has been getting flack
Speaker 2: because people say she's not Latina enough to play Latina
Speaker 2: personality or Latina character. Why she's half Latino, she's not.
Speaker 2: She's full Puerto Rican. The thing is, she doesn't speak
Speaker 2: one hundred percent fluent Spanish and people are calling her
Speaker 2: out for it. And here's the thing about it, and
Speaker 2: I can really I can understand because my boyfriend is Dominican,
Speaker 2: but he is not one hundred percent fluent. How part
Speaker 2: of the reason is because when you're in a lot
Speaker 2: of Latino households, the parents want their kids to speak English.
Speaker 2: And in my boyfriend's case, he was also like taking
Speaker 2: care of the household, like paying the bills for them.
Speaker 2: He would be calling Time Warner to argue what the
Speaker 2: he will bill, and he had to speak English. And
Speaker 2: you speak to your parents in English and they speak
Speaker 2: back to you in Spanish. This is a modern day
Speaker 2: Latino family. And this is what Gina kind of calls
Speaker 2: out in this amazing interview with Huffington Post. She basically says, like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't get more Latina than I am. You know,
Speaker 2: I am my own version of Latina. I don't think
Speaker 2: there's any one Latina story which is so true. There's
Speaker 2: no one version, there's no like, there's no like scale
Speaker 2: of how Latino are you? And I thought I was
Speaker 2: a win because she said it so eloquently. At the
Speaker 2: same time, it's crazy to me that we have to
Speaker 2: still tell people, explain to people that there's different ways
Speaker 2: of brown and different stories and stuff.
Speaker 3: But you leftin it on lady.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks, that's that's so number eleven.
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