1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: Mommy says her girl. Her teen girl goes out to 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: walk her dog. She's never seen again. Can you even 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: imagine that all the guiltless mom carries around for letting 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: her daughter go out simply to walk the dog. Friend 5 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Lynne Daphew Westbrook and missus Sunday. She's sixty years old. 6 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: Her car was found in Glenn Falls. Last time that 7 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: her phone was the teen's rambler Pete wasn't Donald Georgia. 8 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: She's been missing since Sunday. You have any information regarding 9 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: miss please please let us know her mother's name Rona 10 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: La on Facebook. Ifmation please pleas a wonderful, wonderful girl. 11 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: So anyway, it's not Gonnce, so we need to really 12 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: really try. Thank you. You were just hearing a local 13 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: musician begging the public for help. That was Dan Penson, 14 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: musician and family friend. At the end, he said it's 15 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: not looking good right now, and he's right because right 16 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: now we have reason to believe this young girl is 17 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: being drugged to keep her from going home to mommy again. 18 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being 19 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: with us for crime Stories. Let me introduce you an 20 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: all star panel to try to make sense of this. 21 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Neil Pinkston, District Attorney General for the eleventh Judicial District 22 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: of the State of Tennessee. That's Hamilton County chatting NUGA. 23 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Michael B. Donner, PhD. Psychoanalyst, clinical forensic psychologist, expert witness, 24 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: author of Tearing the Child Apart. Greg Smith joining me, 25 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: special friend of the show, Deputy Sheriff Johnson County Sheriff's Office, 26 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: Executive director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation, and you can 27 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: find him at Kelsey's Army dot com. Doctor William Maroney, 28 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: a renowned chief medical examiner, joining us out of Michigan, 29 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: author of America Narcan with so many publications and projects, 30 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: going fighting the war against drugs with a traveling mobile 31 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: unit as we speak. Doctor Moroney joining us. Derek Ellington, 32 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: Certified Forensics Examiner PI and you can find him at 33 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: Ellington dot net. But first to reporter Fox thirteen News Tampa, 34 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: bay Evan Axelbak Evan, thank you for being with us. 35 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: I want to talk about out when this girl goes missing. 36 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: You just heard a local musician begging for help. But Evan, 37 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends 38 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: at w RCBTV we just need her to be found 39 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: before us to it Runacurred Singer hasn't seen our daughter 40 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: Daphne Westbrook in over a year. No, she was driving 41 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: over to spend the weekend with her dad, and she 42 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: told me I'm all, I love you and and and 43 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: that was it. The then sixteen year old left her 44 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: mother's house on a Friday to head by her father 45 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: so on Florida Avenue in October twenty nineteen. Later that weekend, 46 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: she messaged her mom saying she'd be a couple of 47 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: hours late getting back. You know that was okay. She 48 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: wanted to go for a walk with her dog and 49 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: a friend. Daphne never returned home. The only thing that 50 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: we knew is that she was sad because her dad 51 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: had said he was going to move away out of state. Wow. 52 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: I just imagining my own children, John, David and Lucy 53 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: facing the prospect of one parent moving out of state. 54 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: My mom let the teen girl go for a walk 55 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: with her dog. She's never seen again. What happened Straight 56 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: back down to Evan Actuel Bank. Evan tell me about 57 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: when mom realizes that Daphne Westbrook has vanished. So you know, 58 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: essentially what we know about that moment is that she 59 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: is essentially saying, I'm going to go and I'm gonna 60 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: walk my dog. And you know, we know for a 61 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: fact that she certainly loves her dog. She's got a 62 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: number of pictures of them with her, and you know, 63 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: without question, is a routine thing that so many parents, 64 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, go through. Sure, go ahead and walk the dog. 65 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: You know, Evan Actual, make its scaring me because we 66 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: have a mud He's a mut that was built as 67 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: a thoroughbred docsin at the pound. Anyway, he's not Let's 68 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: just leave it at that. And my daughter and I 69 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: took him for a walk yesterd Day and she held 70 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: the lease the whole time, and I told her at 71 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: the end of the walk, you know, you've always been 72 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: afraid and worried that he would get away. But now 73 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: you've done it. Now you can go on walks by yourself. 74 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm eating a dirt sandwich right now 75 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: because that is not going to happen. After I read 76 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: about what happened with Daphne Westbrook, Evan Actual Bank joining 77 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: me from Fox thirteen Tampa. Evan, let me ask you this. 78 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: So she goes for what the weekend with her dad. 79 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Certainly that is the story that she you know, that 80 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: is what she told her mother she was doing straight 81 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: out to Neil Pinkston, DA District Attorney General, joining me 82 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: out of Chattanooga, Hamilton County. Neil Pinkston, I'm trying to 83 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: get a handle on what happened when she went missing. 84 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: And I don't think she ran away. I don't think 85 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: she quote went missing. I think she's been kidnapped. And 86 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: I believe that the mothers fear is actually true. I 87 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: think this girl is being drugged to keep her from 88 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: going home to her mother and her friends and her life. 89 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: But Neil Pinkston, didn't she have routine visits with the dad. Yes, 90 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: her parents are divorced, and by a court order, she 91 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: got to spend every other weekend with her father, and 92 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: so the time it with her father was ending on 93 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: a Sunday evening in October of twenty nineteen, when she 94 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: called her mother and indicated she'd be a little bit late. 95 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: She was going to walk to walk one of her dogs. 96 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: Neil Pinkston, when she spoke to her mother asking about 97 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: can I go walk good dogs? Was there anything unusual 98 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: about the conversation? Did she sound like herself. She sounded 99 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: like herself, and her mother would indicate there was no 100 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: there was no warning sign or no signal that something 101 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: something was a miss. You know too, Doctor Michael B. 102 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: Donner or psychoanalyst joining us and you can find them 103 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: at Michael ber dot com. Doctor Bonner, I call that, 104 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: as many lawyers do, routine evidence. And I don't mean 105 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: run of the meal evidence. I mean evidence of routine. 106 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: If you look up Daphne Westbrook, this team girl missing, 107 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: who I believe is being held against her will and drugged. 108 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: In fact, she looks a lot like Hermione and Harry Potter, 109 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: just a beautiful young girl. And almost every picture you 110 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: see her all with her dogs, and I believe their 111 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: names are Fern and Strawberry. And she loved her friends. 112 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: She loved her dogs. So to call mom from dad's 113 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: house and say, Hey, before I come home, I want 114 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: to walk the dogs. Okay, that tells me a lot, 115 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Donner. That tells me that she would call her 116 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: mother even though she's at her dad's and say, hey, 117 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: can I go out and walk the dogs? And remember 118 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: the timing is critical because it's almost time for her 119 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: to come home from the visit with dad. But yet 120 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: she's still thinks, cares for it, loves mommy so much 121 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: that she actually calls and says, hey, can I go 122 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: walk the dogs even though she's not home with mom. 123 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: And also as to evidence of routine, walking the dogs 124 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: would be a normal thing. So for instance, my children said, hey, Mom, 125 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: can I go backpacking for the weekend by myself? I 126 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: would say absolutely no, You're not old enough. It's nothing 127 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: they've ever done before. So Mom, I think, is lulled 128 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: into a sense of complacency here. Everything seems normal. It's 129 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: almost time for the daughter to come home. The daughter 130 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: is acting normally. She's gonna walk her dogs, even asking permission. 131 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: Everything's fine at that moment in time, Doctor, Well, it 132 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: sounds perfectly normal, and it's very difficult for the mother 133 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 1: to know that anything is amiss. It seems like the 134 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: normal sort of interaction that the two of them might 135 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: have had well at that moment, as Mommy is being 136 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: lulled into a sense of complacency that everything is fine. 137 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at twelve News. 138 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: This is Robin Eastbrook. Her mother says park rangers told 139 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: her Daphne's car was at the trailhead front least twenty 140 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: four hours. She says, nothing like this has happened before, 141 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: and she's very worried. We just need to know that 142 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: she is safe and that she's alive right now, very 143 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: very much so. Any help, anyone who has seen anything. 144 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to call, even if you don't know 145 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: the details. If you suspect that you saw our daughter, 146 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: then please please call so that we have leads to 147 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: follow that tip line four two three two zero nine 148 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: seven four two five repeat four two three two zero 149 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: nine seven four two five Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. 150 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: We are talking about a teen girl that seemingly vanishes 151 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: into thin air. Straight back to Neil Pinkston, District attorney 152 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: for the eleventh Judicial District in Tennessee. That's Chattanooga, mister Pinkston. 153 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: So she calls my mom and says, hey, can I walk? Good? Dog? 154 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: Is it she's supposed to come home that night? She 155 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: is supposed to come home that night. Yes, Her time 156 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: ends with her father visitation and goes back to her mother. 157 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: You know, I noticed something you said your phraseology earlier. 158 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: You said, under court order, she got to go to 159 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: her father's every other weekend, which made me think that 160 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I got to go on a vacation 161 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: or I got to go to fill in the blank. 162 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: Was she forced to go? Or did she want to go? 163 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: Did she want to go more often? I was interested 164 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: in the way you phrase that, Neil Pinkston. Well, there 165 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: there were some divorced issues about custody. There have been 166 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: a number of hearings in the Hampton County Circuit Court 167 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: about who was the primary custodial parent, and the court 168 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: rendered a ruling that the mother was the primary custodial 169 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: parent and that the daughter could see the father every 170 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: other weekend and then some more times in the summer. 171 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: It was it was contentious, to say the least, and 172 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: she wanted to spend more time with her father because 173 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: I think we found that the mother imposed rules like 174 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: any parent does with a teenager, but the father was 175 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: very loose with rules and she could essentially do as 176 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: she wished there, and so that there were times when 177 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: she wanted to be there more because no rules, bad past. 178 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: Why Why why? Doctor William Maroni, I know you're a 179 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: chief medical examiner and renowned author American narcan A whole 180 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: list of credentials. But I also know you've got a 181 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: lot of kids. I've watched them grow up, and what 182 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: a great job you're doing with him, by the way, 183 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: with a little help from missus. Doctor Moroni. Uh, doctor Moroni. 184 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: What is it? There's always one enforcer and one parent 185 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: that kind of lets them run. As we say, back home, 186 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: hog wild, that's kind of what we all had as parents, 187 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: and that model. Well, my mom was a softie and 188 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: my dad was hard as nailed, and I try to 189 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: be one and I learned both. But the permissiveness in 190 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: the parent in question, the father, is what makes him attractive. 191 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: That is what she wants to get away from, get 192 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: away from the rules. People like that they influence the culture. 193 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: She could have a father who smokes marijuana, therefore she's 194 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: interested in marijuana. And in the preface, studies show us 195 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: that in the home of marijuana smokers, teenagers are likely 196 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: to start smoking marijuana. They could be using CBD gummies 197 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: that have a lot of THHC in them, and she 198 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: might like that, and her mother might be against that. 199 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: So drug use and videos and talking online on the internet, 200 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: they all play into A permissive parent raises a child 201 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: looking for that kind of permissiveness. I'm trying to say, Ken, 202 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: everything that you're saying, Neil Paston, is that the idea 203 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: that you're getting was the dad so much more permissive 204 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: than the mom, and that's why she wanted to spend 205 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: time there. Well, it's Nancy's. It's not just the eye 206 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: they were getting. It's what the evidence shows. We've done 207 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: interviews where with friends of Daphne's who would indicate that 208 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: the father before she left, before she went missing, would 209 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: give her marijuana freely to use. Wait, wait, wait, wait 210 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: a minute, Neil Pinkson, you tell me something I didn't 211 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: didn't know. Neil Pinkson, the elected district attorney there in Chattanooga, 212 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney. I thought you were just giving examples, because 213 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: I know how you and I feel about marijuana leading 214 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: to other drugs and parents not getting that and acting like, oh, 215 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: they just had a secret beer in the back seat 216 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: of their car. No, it's that's not what it is. 217 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,479 Speaker 1: I thought you were just giving an example of permissiveness, 218 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: Neil Pinkson. So the dad, let's the daughter smoke potu 219 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,119 Speaker 1: and he also would provide her with the LSD and mushrooms. 220 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: Dear Lord in leven to go ahead, Neil, And as 221 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: I said that that was that was before she was 222 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: went missing him was kidnapped. You know what, I can't 223 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: believe that she still got to go have visitation with 224 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: a dad feeding her magic mushrooms. LSD pot oh h 225 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: E double l n O. Greg Smith, Special Deputy Sheriff. 226 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: You can find him at Kelsey's Army dot com. He 227 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: is the director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation. He is 228 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: the director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation because his daughter 229 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: was kidnapped and murdered and he has devoted his life 230 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: to helping other crime victims with that as the backdrop, 231 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: Greg Smith, do you remember, of course you do, those 232 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: moments when you first realized Kelsey was missing, Oh, very vividly. 233 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: It just like it was yesterday. That's that's a feeling 234 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: and a sensation that you'll never forget. And there's similarities 235 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: in this case to Kelsey's. I mean, Kelsey's car was 236 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: found the same thing that we're here and here. One 237 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: thing that really struck me really doesn't have much of 238 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: a bearing on the case, but the last person that 239 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: Kelsey talked to before she was that we know of 240 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: before she was killed, family wise, was my wife on 241 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: the phone and she said, by Mom, I love you, 242 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: And that's pretty much the same thing we heard on 243 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: this case. So that really hit me hard. And you 244 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: know what, Greg, I'm hearing your voice and the torment 245 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: that you and your family have gone through since Kelsey 246 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: was kidnapped and murdred, and I'm thinking about Daphne's mother 247 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: who has no idea where her daughter is now. You 248 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: earlier heard our friend of an Axel Bank and Tampa 249 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: and Neil Pinks to the District attorney allude to a vehicle. 250 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Travis Cummings w RCBTV. After finding 251 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: her vehicle, it became clear she was gone. Within months, 252 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: investigators started their search for Daphne, her two dogs, and 253 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: her father, John Oliver Westbrook, the work of multiple agencies 254 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: spanning from New Mexico to Colorado. They received no cooperation 255 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: from Westbrook, an IT expert, he's used untraceable currencies and 256 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: foreign contact information, and he's used approximately ten aliases since 257 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: he's left. He's very adempt in hiding his location identity 258 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: and hers as well. Hamilton County Attorney General Neil Pinks 259 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: and says, based off of their findings, so far, she's 260 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: being held against her will through witness testimony, She's constantly 261 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: being given drugs an alcohol that keeps her in an 262 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: altered state. Yeah, it's coincidence. You know, sometimes when you're 263 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: trying a case, you can very simply add two and 264 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: two and hopefully the jury is going to get four. 265 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: She goes missing, the dad goes on the run. At 266 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: to top it all off, he's an IT expert. Now, 267 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: let me understand if I got this right. Neil Pinkston, 268 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: District attorney investigating and working in the case. He's an 269 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: IT expert. He's used ten aliases that we know of. 270 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: He's hiding his location, his identity and hers as well. Man, 271 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: you got a lot of work to do, Neil Pinkston. 272 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: How are you going to find this guy? Well, hopefully 273 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: we've tracked him pretty well recently, and hopefully with the 274 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 1: public press releases and shows such as yours, somebody out 275 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: there is going to have seen them, is going to 276 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: call us and is going to lead them to adapting 277 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: her father. And just a quick reminder, Nancy, the tipline 278 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: is to zero nine one five. I'm so glad you 279 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: told me that. Let me fix that and say it 280 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: again four two three two zero nine seven four one 281 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: five four two three two zero nine seven four one 282 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: five Climb Stories with Nancy Grace to Evan exel Bank, 283 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: our reporter joining us, our guest today from Fox thirteen. 284 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: That's where you come in. Tell me about what's happening 285 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: in Tampa. Well, we know that there was a search 286 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: warrant done at his sister's house in Seabring, which is 287 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: a little town maybe hour and a half or so 288 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: south and east of Tampa. It's a little town. Everyone's 289 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: going to know everybody there, the sisters social media posts 290 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: are all over the place. Certainly, nothing criminal in that, 291 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: but it does give you some insight into the kind 292 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: of you know, the kind of background that this family 293 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: may have. And without question, police are looking at all 294 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: of them. Law enforcement are looking at all of the 295 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: different aspects of you know, who he may be communicating with. 296 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: Obviously he goes to great length to hide that kind 297 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: of thing, but he does have a sister in Seabring, Florida. 298 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: They did do a search warrant on the home to 299 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: retrieve those devices to find out if there has been 300 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: any communication with her and him between them. I'm told 301 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: that they are looking through those devices devices now to 302 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: try and figure out if there may be messages or 303 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: clues as to where he may be headed. And that's 304 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: where we came into the story in Tampa, Florida, because 305 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: there's a question is if they've been at least communicating 306 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: a little bit, perhaps he's headed this way, and so 307 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: our areas on high alert to keep an eye out 308 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: for either of these two. Isn't it true? Neil Pagas 309 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: and District Attorney Chattanooga. There have been signings all over 310 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: the country, and with this guy, the dad, John Oliver Westbrook, 311 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that he's been at every single one 312 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: of them. Yes, that is true. There have been many 313 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: sightings out west, some in Florida, several in the Seattle area, 314 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: all over Colorado, in New Mexico. And he should be 315 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: noted too. He has another sister in Auburn, Washington that 316 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: has refused to cooperate with federal and state authorities to 317 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: help locate Dafty and her father, and the evidence would 318 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: indicate that that sister has spoken to both of them 319 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: and has the present ability to tell everyone where they're at, 320 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: but won't do it, you know. Back to you, doctor 321 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: William Maroney joining me out of Michigan. Don't laugh, Maroney, don't. 322 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: But sometimes when I dropped the twins off in the morning, 323 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: the last thing I yell out the window is seven 324 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: and a half hours in county until I pick them up. 325 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: And although I'm working the whole day and doing a 326 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: million projects, I think about them the whole day. I 327 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: just can't imagine what this mother is going through, thinking 328 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: of her teen girl with dad who's pumping her full 329 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: of LSD and Potter whatever they're doing, keeping her on 330 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: drugs and away from her mother. She's lost her whole childhood. 331 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: That's the way it happens when drug use centers the 332 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: adolescents through the permissive culture. I've seen in the drug 333 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: port teenage girls that were injected by their mother for 334 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: heroin because they were lonely and that's how they bonded. 335 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: So to think that this father's giving drugs, yeah it's wrong, 336 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah it's moral, Yeah it's bad, But that's the kind 337 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: of culture that's out there. Teenage years or experimentation and teenagers, 338 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: adolescents look to see what do their parents do, And 339 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: here's this clickers the teeth sinking into this after she's 340 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: exposed to drugs and alcohol. She doesn't have the capacity 341 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: to say I'm impaired and I need to clean up. 342 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: She'll go through withdrawal and if she doesn't get her drugs, 343 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: she'll get sick. And all the brain does is say, 344 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: please give me some more drugs because I don't want 345 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: to get sick. And at that age you just don't understand. 346 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: She's just trying not to be sick. And as doctor 347 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: Moroney would say this, as doctor Donner, that is going 348 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: to actually make her feel a greater affiliation to her 349 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: father who's the person giving her the drugs, and further 350 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: push away the relationship with the mother, who stands for 351 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: possibly a much healthier relationship both to societies himself. I 352 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: back him up one hundred percent. Absolutely. People don't understand 353 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: how the drugs in like that, And now the drugs 354 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: has become healthy, so it's part of their routine now, 355 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: and this mother is just standing by twisting her hands 356 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: wondering who her daughter is now. For a very long time, 357 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: it was believed that the dad had kidnapped his daughter, 358 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: keeping her high on drugs and not letting her go home, 359 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: moving from place to place and landing in Colorado. Take 360 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: a listen to Jim Bitteman and Kate Lee at CBS 361 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: for Denver police and Tennessee are worried about a teenage 362 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: girl who's possibly being held here in Colorado against her will. 363 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: Investigators believe her father kidnapped her. He's already been indicted 364 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: and charged with aggravated kidnapping. Continuing our coverage of Colorado, 365 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: at six, Daphne was visiting her dad, John Oliver Westbrook 366 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: and Chattanooga, Tennessee. She and her two dogs never returned home. 367 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: Westbrook is known to spend time in Colorado and was 368 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: reported in Pueblo last month. Daphne was spotted in the 369 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: Denver area right now. Investigators think Westbrook takes Daphney to 370 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: ride horses on occasion, so they especially want to get 371 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: this word out to the state's equine community. Wow, the 372 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: equine community, in other words, the people that have and 373 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: ride horses. So now I've got a Seattle siding, Colorado siding. 374 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: My friend of an Axel bank, a fox thirteen years 375 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: down in Tampa, is telling me about a search warrant 376 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: being executed in the search for this girl. Take a 377 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: listen now to Liz dweki q thirteen Fox Seattle. Investigators 378 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: in our state are looking for a teenager believed to 379 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: be kidnapped by her own father more than a year ago, 380 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: John Oliver Westbrook, whose families from the Auburn area, would 381 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: not let his seventeen year old daughter leave after she 382 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: and her two dogs came to visit from Tennessee. Since then, 383 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: people have actually reported seeing the two in areas throughout 384 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: the country. Investigate It are struggling to track them down. 385 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: They say Westbrook is an IT expert specializing insecurity. The 386 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: father has been indicted on aggravated kidnapping charges, and the 387 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: links the father is going to to keep his daughter hidden. 388 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what officials are saying regarding the 389 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: means the dad is using. Officials sake, keeping track of 390 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: John Westbrook's whereabouts have been difficult. He's used about fifteen 391 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: to twenty different email addresses, as well about ten different aliases, 392 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: and at one point in the trip out, west purchased 393 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: hair dye and fake teeth so altered appearances. Bitcoin and 394 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: blockchain analysis are essentially anonymous financial transactions that don't involve banks. 395 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: Also is into virtual and voice over IP telephone numbers. 396 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: You can't rely on sell your telephone companies to provide 397 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: location or GPS datam. Okay, that is a lot of 398 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: technical information. You were hearing our friend Joe Ellie Pool 399 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: w d e F. Let's bring in yet another expert 400 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: joining us to make sense of it all. You know 401 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: his name, well, Derek Ellington, Certified Forensic Examiner, licensed PI 402 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: at Ellington Digital Forensics, Ellington dot net. Deeric. Thanks for 403 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: being with us trying to dummy down for people like 404 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: me that only have a JD. For pete say they 405 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: didn't teach this in law school. I need a little 406 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: bit help. I heard him talking about IP phones, about 407 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: all the ways you can cover your tracks, about bitcoin, 408 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: about I'd like to find out how the guy's making 409 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: a living to buy all that pot, but that aside, 410 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: how is he covering his tracks? Derek? Well, Nancy, you 411 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: and I have talked many times about how these criminals 412 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: are leveraging the Internet. Derek, it didn't stick, okay unless 413 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: it's got yellow crime scene dape around it. I don't 414 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: get it. So better time. Absolutely so. There are a 415 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: lot of things that the criminals can do to cover 416 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: their tracks. So you've talked about some of them these 417 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: anonymous phone numbers, anonymous emails and stuff like that. They 418 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: even talk about the cryptocurrency or an electronic currency. What's 419 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: interesting and what gives you investigators like myself and Neil Hope, 420 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: is regardless of what these people are using, whether they're 421 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: hiding emails or using disposable phone numbers, or in the 422 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: case of cryptocurrency, which we'll talk about in a second, 423 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 1: if we can put enough data points together, we can 424 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: start to follow that trailer breadcrumb. A good example is 425 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: that with bitcoin. People use bitcoin because they feel like 426 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: it's anonymous, that they can make transactions and nobody knows 427 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: who they are. But you heard the other people talking 428 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: about blockchain and stuff like that. All that is is 429 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: a fancy way of saying, even if you're using a 430 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: Internet currency, there's a log of all the transactions. I 431 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: may not know who you are or where you are, 432 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: but if you do enough transactions, sooner or later I'll 433 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: figure it out. And the really quick example is you 434 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: might have somebody who's buying drugs or weapons or other 435 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: illegal things on the dark web, and you and I've 436 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: talked about the dark web many times. If we have 437 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: enough transactions we can figure it out. We've actually busted 438 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: people because they would buy their drugs, and they would 439 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: buy their guns, and then they would buy a pizza 440 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: from the local pizza place, all using the same account. 441 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: So our hope is when we're trying to find somebody 442 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: like Westbrook, that we get enough data points and we 443 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: get lucky we can kind of pin them in. We 444 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 1: keep them communicating, keep them emailing, keep them calling. If 445 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: we can do that, sooner or later we'll have our 446 00:29:51,880 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: break crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking 447 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: about a teen girl, Dafne Westbrook, who seemingly vanishes into 448 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: thin air. Her car is found, then mommy faces the 449 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: realization that her estranged ex husband has stolen the girl. 450 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: Not only stolen her, but is dragging her all the 451 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: way across the country and keeping her on drugs, daily 452 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: doses of drugs, authorities say to keep her away from 453 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: her mother with me. Neil Pinkston, the district attorney there 454 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: in Hamilton County, Chattanooga, I know you just heard everything, 455 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: Derek Ellington said, but I got a feeling that this guy, 456 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: the father, John Oliver Westbrook, is so smart, he's an 457 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: IT specialist, that he is just as smart as the 458 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: people trying to catch him. Yeah, there's no doubt he 459 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: knows how to hide his identity. But as you know 460 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: Derek mentioned, we've gathered a bunch of data points and 461 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: hopefully keep connecting those dots to to to find him. 462 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: But we really need the public's help to to if 463 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: when they see them to call or email our hotline. 464 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: And we have an email address finding Daphney at HC 465 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: dat N dot org. WHOA WHOA WHOA find me Daphney 466 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: at what h the letter HC d A t M 467 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: dot org H happy C Charlie D dog A Alpha 468 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: P Penny M. Mother The t M t N is 469 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: a Tennessee Okay, I got it. Yes, help find Daphney 470 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: at HC d A t N. Man, you gotta you 471 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: gotta do something with that website. No, okay, who's gonna 472 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: find that? Help me? For Pete's sake, I can't even 473 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: write it all down. Guys, we're talking about Hey, I 474 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: want to call the phone. Call Jaculet's backtrack to cut two. 475 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Robin Esterbrook. At twelve Knews, 476 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: Rona Kurtsinger looks over a text message from her sixteen 477 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: year old daughter said, Hey, Mom, is it okay if 478 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: I go walk my dog Fern with a friend and 479 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: I come home later. And I told her yes, that's 480 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: fine because her curfew is at eleven pm. Daphne Westbrook 481 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: was last seen leaving her father's home on Florida Avenue 482 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: in Saint Elma on October sixth, and last Tuesday, her 483 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: mother says she received a concerning call from her daughter. 484 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: My daughter's voice was very distant. It sounded like she 485 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: was on speakerphone and she said, I can't believe you 486 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: would record me missing. I am not missing, and she 487 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: hung up the phone. That is the last contact we 488 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: have had. Police determined that call came from the Dalton, 489 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: Georgia area. On Tuesday night, her car was found at 490 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: the Glen Falls trailhead on Lookout Malin. If she was 491 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: going to just run away, why wouldn't she take her car? 492 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: And she's not using her phone. Both of those things 493 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: are are terrifying, especially with the Internet the way that 494 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: it is. And take a little to our friends at 495 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: de W D E. F cut Ten, The District Attorney's office, 496 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: says dealing with the father's daughter abduction case can pose 497 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: challenges for law enforcement and be deceptive to the public side. 498 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: People think that they look healthy and happy and there's 499 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: nothing unusual going on, but our investigation were to reveal 500 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: she is generally kept under the influence of drugs and alcohol. 501 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: She's not free to socially interact with anyone except her father. 502 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: He's in control of her. She's not free to leave. 503 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: Officials say, John Westbrook has been charged with aggravated kidnapping 504 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: but has still not been apprehended. Guys, I want to 505 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: circle back to Neil Pinkston, the district attorney there in Chattanooga. 506 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: Daphne's mother, or Rona Kurtzinger, says that her daughter has 507 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: been stripped from everything she knew and loved. Her friends 508 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: are her home, her school, and then she's just out there, 509 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: going from hide out to hide out with a dad 510 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: that's keeping her high on drugs. What's your best shot 511 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: of bringing this girl home. Well, we're not going to 512 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: give up until we do. And so the investigation continues, 513 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: and we're urging and pleading with the public people that 514 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: know John to come forward and help us bring this 515 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: girl home. How is he making a living, Neil, He 516 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: does freelance computer coding and website support through a various 517 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: websites that hire freelance individuals or independent contract I'm wondering, 518 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: do you, Nancy, let me say jump out. I'm sorry, 519 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: Nancy interrupted. I was jumping in to say. That is 520 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: the other issue. It is very easy to do that 521 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: because a lot of times when you hire people to 522 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: do this kind of work for you, there are levels 523 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: of an anonymity to it, so you know, the person 524 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: who's working on your company's website could very well be 525 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: somebody like this because of the kind of it's a 526 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: it's an open market for getting these type of services, 527 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: and there's an anonymity to it, so it's it's completely 528 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: plausible that he is able to make money to at 529 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: least stay on the run. So doctor Michael Donner COVID 530 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: has had a whole other layer of complexity this because 531 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: so many people are working from home, they're not seeing 532 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: the guy they're hiring freelance, they don't know what he 533 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: looks like. And even when she gets home, this is 534 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: going to be a very difficult situation for the daughter 535 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: and her mother. Father has probably convinced the daughter that 536 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: he's the better parent, and that's the good parent, bad parent, trapped. 537 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: She's going to feel affiliated and attached to her father, 538 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: and it's going to be very difficult for the mother 539 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: to establish a good relationship with her. This is not 540 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: over even when she's found Doctor William Moroney, Chief Medical Examiner, County, Michigan, 541 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: author of American narcam Dr Moroney. Before she can build 542 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: any relationship with mom, they've got to get her off drugs. 543 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: How's that going to happen. That's not easy at her 544 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: age because you need to have insight, and the one 545 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: thing missing in adolescence is insight. And she's seeing her 546 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: father be successful. You know, one of the things I 547 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: think he's also doing as income is he's selling the drugs. 548 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: He's delivering the drug he's moving around in drug culture. 549 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: He's dealing with dealers. He can make money and stay 550 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: off the grid by selling drugs. And she's learning that, Look, 551 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: there's this whole layer of life under there. It may 552 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: be kind of fun when she's not high, when she's 553 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: not sick, what's she doing to be social? She's being 554 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: introduced to all these felonious elements and right now that's 555 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: the only thing she has to cope. If you take 556 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: her and put her in a detox. She's going to 557 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: be around people who have families and they come visit, 558 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: and she's not going to understand that. She's not going 559 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: to identify. Plus, all the medicine we use to help 560 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 1: detox adults really hasn't been approved for kids. So it's 561 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: got to be more psychosocial. There's a lot of counseling, 562 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: deconstruct and deep program and then build back up. That's 563 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: what she's gonna have to go through. To Greg Smith, 564 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: Special Deputy Sheriff Johnson County, Director of Kelsey Smith Foundation, Greg, 565 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: you don't have your daughter. Can you imagine a father 566 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: stealing his daughter and then keeping her drugged up, now 567 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: well over a year. I mean, if you could just 568 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: have el see back what you wouldn't give, and then 569 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: you see a dad doing something like this, well, and 570 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: unfortunately this happens a lot. I mean, we know the 571 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: statistics show that in a kidnapping case, it's usually somebody 572 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: that the victim knows. It's quite often a family member 573 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: in over eighty percent of the cases. So unfortunately this 574 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: isn't an anomaly, it's it's the norm when it comes 575 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: to these types of crimes, which is, which is just 576 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: a terrible thing. One thought I had when looking um. 577 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: I was just checking the map while we were talking. 578 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: I noticed a lot of these states, Tennessee, Washington, Colorado 579 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: all have the Kelsey Smith bac um. I realized that 580 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: her father's an IT expert and he's been using some 581 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: alternative forms or communications. But that, I mean, that's an option. 582 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's been used or not, but 583 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm just something that came to mind, is well, any 584 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: of those states, their laws are all similar, and they 585 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: all state that if someone is believed to be missing 586 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: and in um there's a reasonable suspicion that there's could 587 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: be bodily harm or death, that their phone could be 588 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: located by law enforcement to find the location of their 589 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: cell phone. And I'm hearing that she did have a 590 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: cell phone. You know. Another thing that it was very poignant. 591 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: Neil Paston tell me about the discovery of the Bible 592 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: in February of twenty twenty one. There's a citizen of 593 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: Santa Fe, New Mexico, that apparently has a hobby of 594 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: searching dumpsters. And I was going through one of the 595 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: dumpsters in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and found what he 596 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: termed as a pristine Bible. It wasn't dirty, it wasn't folded. 597 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: He didn't want to throw it away. He had some 598 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: odd feeling. He kept the Bible and took it home 599 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: with him. He opened up inside the cover of the 600 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: Bible and it was dedicated to Daphne Westbrook from her 601 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: grandparents for her sixteenth birthday. And he googled Daphne Westbrook 602 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: and found that she was missing and had been kidnapped. 603 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: In contacted the New Mexico State Police about the Bible 604 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: that he had found. Got a question, wasn't that dumpster 605 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: behind the Trader Joe's, Yes, in the area of Trader 606 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: Joe's in Santa Fe. Was the video pulled from Trader 607 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: Joe's to see if they went in there to figure 608 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: out what they look like right now? Yeah, there with 609 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: no luck on the video. So apparently he must have 610 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 1: done it under the cover of darkness and after hours 611 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: when to avoid detection. Also in February, we know Westbrook 612 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: spent several weeks in Pueblo, Colorado. It seems to me, 613 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: does it seem to you, Neil Pinkston that they are 614 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: going to areas where they have some connection yes, either 615 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: business or friend or family connections that he has and 616 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: that dictates their path as well as he likes to 617 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: frequent eight bitcoin ATMs. And we also know that he 618 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: prefers states where medicinal marijuana is legal, dying his hair, 619 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: false teeth, you name it. This father is keeping his 620 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: daughter on drugs she's now addicted, to keep her away 621 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,399 Speaker 1: from her mother. The tip line four two three two 622 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: zero nine seven four one five please help us find 623 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: Daphne Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off goodbye friend