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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What are some things that you know that are out

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Speaker 2: there but you haven't been able to find the evidence

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Speaker 2: for it yet.

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly it's the piece of the holy Grail, as

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Speaker 3: we would call it. One of the reasons we continue

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Speaker 3: to do archaeological work at the crash site slash debris

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Speaker 3: field as identified by numerous independent witnesses who were involved

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Speaker 3: back at that time. Certainly that could prove this overnight,

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Speaker 3: we'd have a press conference right there at that very

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Speaker 3: location and just imagine being able to demonstrate a piece

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Speaker 3: of that memory material. That would just leave everyone in

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Speaker 3: awe that there would be such technology that had been

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Speaker 3: out there all these years, just waiting for someone to

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Speaker 3: finally dig it up, so to speak. And that's a

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Speaker 3: race that were involved with and I can you know,

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Speaker 3: I will continue to be part of for as long

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Speaker 3: as I'm able. The other race that we just lost

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Speaker 3: was the race with the Undertaker, and I was for

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Speaker 3: all the witnesses of the World War two generation. And

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Speaker 3: there may be one or two still out there of

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Speaker 3: our witnesses yet to be discovered. But nonetheless, we did

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Speaker 3: everything we could to get them to go on the record.

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Speaker 3: They in many cases would sign a sworn AFFI David,

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Speaker 3: give us a video deposition. But more and more towards

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Speaker 3: the end we were getting deathbed confessions. And deathbeds are

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Speaker 3: missible in a court of law for a reason. People

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Speaker 3: just do not lie at the end when they know

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Speaker 3: that their days, their minutes are are you know, stretching

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Speaker 3: down to just a few and so the same applies

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Speaker 3: to Roswell and Ryan. If you can imagine, we have

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Speaker 3: had skeptics tell us that, well you can't believe any

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Speaker 3: of the Roswell deathbeds. Well, but we can believe all

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Speaker 3: the others in a courtroom. All the others are considered

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Speaker 3: legitimate as far as in a court of law, but

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Speaker 3: not Roswell. So you see the hoops, the obstacles, the

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Speaker 3: roadblocks that we've had to deal with from day one,

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Speaker 3: that no evidence will ever suffice. And I would honestly

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Speaker 3: state before the audience that it wouldn't matter what president,

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Speaker 3: what political persuasion would go public tell the world that

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Speaker 3: it was all true. We are being visited that there

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Speaker 3: was a recovery of a crash, you know, craft of

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Speaker 3: unknown origin back in nineteen forty seven north of Roswell,

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Speaker 3: New Mexico, and half the world still would not believe it.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. The thought about that in their mindset, they

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Speaker 3: just can't you know, it can't be. Therefore it isn't.

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Speaker 2: Is the closest thing you've seen the comments from President

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He was asked about it, and his answer

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Speaker 2: was something along the lines of, I haven't seen it,

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Speaker 2: but I've talked to some very serious people who have

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Speaker 2: seen it. So you take take it for what it is.

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Speaker 2: Is that the closest you think we'll get.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've had, you know, the late Senator Barry Goldwater

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Speaker 3: of Arizona, who you know, described you know, his feudal

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Speaker 3: efforts as far as even in witnessing and having access

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Speaker 3: letters from him where he specifically spelled out that it

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Speaker 3: all about this. Now, mind you, Goldwater ran for president,

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Speaker 3: was one of the things that he had assigned. Webster Hubble.

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Speaker 3: I want the answers about UFOs and the last time

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Speaker 3: he was on Jimmy Kimmel. You know, he lamented, I

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Speaker 3: get the answers to Roswell. And Dana Perino, who was

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Speaker 3: can you tell me about Roswell? And all he did

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Speaker 2: So what do you think that the motivation is there?

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Speaker 2: So there could be a couple of motivations from the

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Speaker 2: what they received was such so much for national security

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Speaker 3: Well? I think even Colonel Oliver North when he talked

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Speaker 3: many of the presidents have demonstrated their lack of knowledge

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Speaker 3: This all happened with tic TAC and with the mimics

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Speaker 3: before that there was nothing. Well, that's what's so wonderful

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Speaker 3: come up with answers to something that still remains not

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Speaker 3: only unexplained, but not only extraordinary, but that it hasn't

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Speaker 3: gone away. Larry King would make that comment that for

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Speaker 3: something that was so readily explained, the way is nothing

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Speaker 3: more than an off the shelf weather balloon. It comes

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Speaker 3: back stronger and stronger and stronger, because if it is

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Speaker 3: to die. Even though the witnesses have all passed on,

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Speaker 3: the information is still there. The government is still sitting

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Speaker 3: on the biggest story of the millennium.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that there's other government agencies or organizations

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Speaker 2: that also have the same information, So, for example, I'm

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Speaker 2: always interested to learn the Catholic Church, for example, they

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Speaker 2: have observation locations in the United States, They're always scanning

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Speaker 2: the skies. Do you think there's other agencies that know

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Speaker 2: what the United States government knows and they're also holding

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Speaker 3: Well, one of the curious things I always point out,

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Speaker 3: second largest UFO library in the world. Well, as you

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Speaker 3: just mentioned, who has the largest, the Vatican, the Catholic Church,

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Speaker 3: and I have had personal discussions with Father Robert Spitzer,

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Speaker 3: They have absolutely no pride with the very acceptance that

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Speaker 3: the one thing you talk about documentation Again, one of

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Speaker 3: the things that I've talked to Father Spitzer about that

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Speaker 3: I want access to the Vatican archives because just to

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Speaker 3: imagine you're in the Oval Office, you're President Harry Truman,

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Speaker 3: We have an incident, we have a situation in New Mexico,

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Speaker 3: and we cannot come up with an identification, an explanation

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Speaker 3: of the technology that has come down here that a crash,

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Speaker 3: and it appears that it may indeed be of a

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Speaker 3: superior technology. God help us if it's Soviets, God help

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Speaker 3: us if it's someone else here on planet Earth. But

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Speaker 3: it does not appear to be the case. So I'm

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Speaker 3: the president, and I personally believe one of the first

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Speaker 3: have been the Pulp p Pius twelve and specifically asking

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Speaker 3: obviously the church would have thousands of years of records

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Speaker 3: to demonstrate that. Now, I can't believe that the President

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Speaker 3: just to discuss you know, you know, Catholic dogma.

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Speaker 2: So it's an interesting connection.

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Speaker 3: He's to the puzzle.

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's look at other presidents too. A couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, there was a movie that came out that

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Speaker 2: looked at the relationship President Nixon had with Roswell. So

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Speaker 2: how had presidents since Roswell handled that location?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you talk about President Nixon and that

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Speaker 3: And he also became associated with my scientific director, doctor Jail,

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Speaker 3: least it doesn't dismiss it. It's again, what an investigator,

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Speaker 3: It's what a researcher. It's what a scientist would do

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Speaker 2: Do you think that every president has visited Roswell? Is

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Speaker 2: it required for the job?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting on one occasion, I had a phone

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Speaker 3: a book? Don George W. Bush is coming to town

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Speaker 3: tomorrow and we'd like to give him one of your books.

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Speaker 3: And then the Bill Clinton whenever I posed the question,

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Speaker 3: do you know that Roswell is mentioned in ken Starr's

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Speaker 3: report on the Monica Lewinsky affair, And It's like, no,

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Speaker 3: sandwiched between two books. What was a book on Winston

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Speaker 3: president of Kevin Randall's and my first book, Beautiful Crash

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Speaker 3: at Roswell. And so the President Reagan he had been

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Speaker 3: again was it a signal? Was it a signal?

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Speaker 2: Well, I know we only have a couple of minutes here,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure people are going to have questions next hour.

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Speaker 2: Are you open to the phone lines? We can answer

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Speaker 2: some of them.

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Speaker 3: Course of course.

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Speaker 2: I got one email and I'm going to bring this

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Speaker 2: up to you just to see your reaction. Do you

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Speaker 2: get a lot of people that believe you personally ufologists

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Speaker 2: Don Schmidt are running an interference campaign in order to

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Speaker 2: throw people off the track.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say I highly disqualified for the fact

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Speaker 3: that I started out as a known skeptic, that that

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Speaker 3: was something that at that time I was even accused

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Speaker 3: of running interference for the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Side both ways.

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Speaker 3: And so it's not as though one is made a

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Speaker 3: loss and expense. I had two engagements that broke off

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Speaker 3: just because I was devoting more and more of my

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Speaker 3: personal time and bracing with the undertakers I described earlier,

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Speaker 3: tracking down every witness possible that could give us the

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Speaker 3: come with a lot of slings and

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