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Let's see robbiny business before I jump 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.560 right in with this message from Ahmed. Uh no business 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.559 that I can think of, No good love a day 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.320 without business. All right. Uh, let's see here. Uh Ahmed 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:56.160 writes on a monster fact that you did about parasitic control. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.080 I'm it, says hi Robert and Joe. I'm ed again 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:09.679 happy your recent monster fact about behavior controlling parasites and 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.920 taxo plasma Gandhi made me think of this recent paper. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.559 And then he links to a paper from uh. Well, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:23.679 it's it's on the nature domains communications biology. The exact 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.240 methodologies of the paper are way out of my wheelhouse, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.760 but it seems like the authors looked at wolves over 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.880 many years, living in areas that overlap with mountain lions 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.440 where a wolf could be exposed to taxo, then looking 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.919 at those that did get infected at some point versus 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.760 those that didn't. They found that taxo infection was associated 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:51.160 with forty six times increased chance of becoming a pack leader. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.520 That looks to me like a whopping effects size and 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.520 maybe shows a way in which taxo infection can actually 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.080 benefit the host, though I guess the full benef it 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.600 versus cost analysis would have to talk to the wolves 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.040 who shouldn't have gone for pack leader but did, but 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:12.519 did it anyways under parasitic overconfidence. Keep up the good work, Ahmed. Um, well, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.760 I'm at this. Thank you for sending this. This was 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.440 really interesting. So I looked up the reference. Uh, it 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.560 is indeed a paper published in Communications Biology in two 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:26.600 by Meyer at All called Parasitic infection increases risk taking 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:31.160 in a social intermediate host carnivore. Uh so yeah, I 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.160 think the I think the wolf is you know, not 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.200 meant to be the primary carrier of this, this parasitic 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:43.520 organism the toxoplasmosis parasite, but it has this effect on 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.040 wolves that it seems to have on other organisms of 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:52.840 making them essentially more brazen take more risks, which has 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:57.359 uh an interesting downstream series of consequences where it might 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.239 make that animal more likely to do something danger risks 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.800 and get killed, but it also might make that animal 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.760 more likely to achieve some kind of big positive outcome, 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:08.680 the kind of thing that you get if you win 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.040 playing with high risk, high reward gambles. Yeah, Ta Gandhi 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.480 is is a fascinating subject, one that I haven't looked 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.080 at in earnest in many years, but maybe it's something 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.680 we should come back around, because there's been a lot 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.160 of a lot of research, and I think there continues 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.600 to be a lot of research into it. But I 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.880 think if I remember correctly at the basic level, the 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.359 parasite wants to return to the body of a cat 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.280 and therefore tries to get the host eaten by a 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:39.200 big cat um and uh and sometimes it's been perhaps 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.880 the wrong host to actually carry out that life cycle. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:44.960 But again, it's been a while since I've looked at 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.960 the t gandhi in detail, but maybe that's something we 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.400 should we should come back around to see what the 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.640 latest is on TI gandhi. Well, actually, maybe let's look 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.760 at just a little more detail from this one study, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.600 because I did think this was really interesting. So, uh, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.080 they talked about how they were looking at animals within 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.960 Yellowstone National Park in the United States, that's up in Wyoming, 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.840 and uh, they have wild populations of large land predators there, 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:15.360 including wild wolves or Canis lupus and wild cougars or 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.400 puma concolor um. I don't know how you say that 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.000 species named concolor concolor c O N c O l 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.480 O R. And in this case they say that the 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.559 cougar is the definitive host of of T. Gandhi and 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.159 the gray wolf is an intermediate host and uh, to 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.479 to read from their abstract here they write quote, here, 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.000 we use twenty six years of wolf behavioral, spatial and 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.960 sero logical data to show that wolf territory overlap with 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:47.200 areas of high cougar density was an important predictor of infection. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.440 In addition, zero positive wolves were more likely to make 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.679 high risk decisions such as dispersing and becoming a pack leader, 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:01.320 both factors critical to individual fitness and wolf vital rates. Okay, 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:05.520 So when wolves are infected with toxoplasma, they are more 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.719 likely to incur into cougar infested areas and more likely 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.080 to come in contact with cougars. They're also, as Ahmed 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.080 said in the original email, more likely to apparently take 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:23.080 social risks or confrontational behaviors that could involve them becoming 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.880 the leader of the pack, which actually does increase their 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:30.080 mating fitness the author's right quote. Due to the social 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.200 hierarchy within a wolf pack, we hypothesize that the behavioral 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:39.080 effects of toxoplasmosis may create a feedback loop that increases 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:43.920 spatial overlap and disease transmission between wolves and cougars. So 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.160 I think the the proposed in here I'm referring to 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.560 there there's sort of a helpful flow chart illustration within 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:55.440 the article. I think the proposed or hypothesized chain reaction 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.320 goes like this. You've got both the wolves and the 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:03.520 cougars in the park. An infected cougar somehow infects wolves 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.480 with t GANDHI, and this could happen through uh, like 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.960 a wolf eating cougar scat, or through eating a dead 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.360 cougar's body, or through some kind of other environmental contact, 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.040 and then you end up with infected wolves that are 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.200 carrying this parasite. These wolves take higher risks. The wolves 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.320 that take higher risks become pack leaders or disperse, and 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:33.640 the infected pack leaders lead uninfected pack males into risky situations, 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:38.080 which include contact with cougars in cougar territory, which means 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:43.160 more uninfected wolves, Uh, get infected by cougars and they 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.719 learned to take risks like approaching cougars because that's what 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.000 their pack leader does. M h. It's kind of a 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.159 vicious cycle. Yeah, the side of things. The cycle continues 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.440 here anyway, Very cool study. Thank you for sending it 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.400 in on it. Yeah, and again they've been there's been 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.039 so many in US and studies over the years with 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.839 t Candy of some looking at it proposed changes to 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:16.840 human behavior as well. Yeah, alright. This next one comes 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.160 to us from Adam. Adam wrote in about music and 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.760 weird health cinema subjectal line some musical Easter eggs and 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.080 weird house cinema. So uh, this is in part a 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.160 response to the episodes that I did with Seth about 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:38.480 hidden material in records and musical recordings. Hello Robert Joe, Max, 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.160 and Seth, whom I see seed because this email is 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.080 heavily music focused. I recently listened to both episodes on 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.520 the history of back masking and other musical Easter eggs, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:50.880 and I thought I could chime in with some of 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.520 my favorite examples of these and one example of back 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:57.840 masking allegation I find quite funny. The first of these 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.880 isn't really a musical easter egg in the sense the 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.280 you talked about in the episode, but I was reminded 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.600 of it while listening to your episodes about whistling and 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.120 thought now would be a good time to email about it. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.840 In one of them, Joe went off on a brief 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.320 tangent about reconstructions of ancient music and how eerie many 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.440 of them sound. Hearing this and knowing you were both 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.240 hieronymous Bosh fans, I thought I could inform you if 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.160 you aren't already aware of the hieronymous Bosh Butt music. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.640 In the right panel of Bosh's Too triptych The Garden 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.640 of Earthly Delights, a demon can be seen inscribing a 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.400 musical score on the posterior of a center which acquire 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.520 sings from recreations of this score exist on YouTube and 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.760 they're haunting accompaniment to the painting and also quite humorous 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.520 because of the origin. I would love to hear that. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.720 As far as more direct cases of backmasking, time stretching, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.559 locked grooves and other musical mayhem, there are quite a 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.400 few examples. I really enjoy the song Empty Spaces off 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.000 of the Pink Floyd album. The Wall actually contains a 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.160 backmask message, which played forward adds a fitting ambiance of 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.920 foreboding to the song. Played backwards, however, Roger Waters can 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.480 be heard saying, hello, looker, congratulations, you have just discovered 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.480 the secret message. Please send your answer to Old Pink 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:20.920 care of the Funny Farm chial front before producer James 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:26.959 Guthrie can be heard saying Roger Waters. Then wife Carolines 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.400 on the phone saying so the voice is saying Roger 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.120 Carolines on the phone. Uh. Similarly, Waters had wanted the 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:37.000 song Perfect Sense Part One on his solo album Amused 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.600 to Death to start the song with a sample of 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.280 Howe's death monologue from two thousand and one, a sample 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.280 present on the two fifteen rerelease of the album, but 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.840 was initially denied the ability to use the sample by 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:54.920 Kubrick in lieu of example, Kubrick, Uh, you wouldn't expect 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.360 him to give your permission, would you? Now you gotta 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.480 you gotta wait, wait a little bit before you can 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.040 actually go back and say, hey, can I have it now? 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.800 And the answers yes. In lieu of the sample, Waters 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.160 included a very similar sounding snippet of audio with the 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.280 same heavy breathing and a reversed vocal when played backwards, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.040 a tongue in cheek message to kuber It can be 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.440 heard with Waters saying, Julia, However, in the light and 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.680 visions of the issues of Stanley, we changed our minds. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.840 We have decided to include a backwards message Stanley for 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.920 you and for all of the other book burners, before 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:33.440 unintelligibly screaming in a Scottish accent. Waters seemed fond of 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:37.079 including secret jokes and tracks, as there's also one on 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.480 the nineteen sixty nine music cong Crete Pink Floyd's song 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.560 several species of small furry animals gathered together in a 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.200 cave and grooving with a picked When played at half 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.120 speed around four thirty two, Waters can be heard saying 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:56.040 that was pretty avant garde, wasn't it? It's funny when 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.959 you say these Roger Waters phrases without his accent. They 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:06.240 a sound kind of goofy um. Anyway, they continue. Another 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.960 funny experimental use all the techniques you discussed in the 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.360 second part is the locked groove on the final disc 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.360 of Lou Reid's Metal Machine Music. I find this use 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.679 of the lock grow funny because the original Vinyl released 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.960 the album listed the runtime of side four as sixteen 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:26.359 o one or infinite because of it, meaning that Wikipedia 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:31.160 list the album's run time as sixty eleven slash infinite 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.000 infinity sign. In addition, I like that the inclusion of 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.199 this lock groove feels like a final middle finger to 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.560 listeners off an album filled with middle fingers, like the 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.640 allusions to classical music read included as an attempt to 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.360 get our c A to release it on their classical label. Now, wait, 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.559 did y'all actually talk about Metal Machine Music in the episode? 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.440 I don't remember us talking about it. If we did, 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.560 it may have just been a quick listing of it. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.559 Uh yeah, But I don't think we really got around 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.800 albumtil all day. Or is this an album familiar with Joe? 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.560 I've never listened to the whole thing all the way through, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.760 but I've heard parts of it, so it's you know, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.240 Lou Reed's album that is famous for being just sort 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:13.840 of like squealing painful noise. Ah, that sounds like a riot. Well, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.599 let's see um. In addition, there's an example of a 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.000 musical easter egg hiding visual information in a spectrogram, like 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.320 you mentioned in the game Minecraft. In game, there are 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.320 several different vinyl discs that can be collected and played. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.960 One of these, simply titled eleven, has an in game 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.680 graphic resembling a broken record, and when played, consists of 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.079 a vinyl hiss, a series of mildly creepy sound effects 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.920 that seemed to portray someone running from a monster, and static. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.320 I had no idea Minecraft had spooky stuff like that, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:46.760 And I thought it was a game where you, like, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.160 I don't know, hit blocks with a pick and then 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.920 get diamonds out. Well, you know, the monsters come for 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.640 you at night. I know I've played enough to know 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.959 that happens, but yeah, I neither I nor my son 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.560 have gotten any deeper into it. But anyway, the spectrogram. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.160 If the file for this song is displayed as a spectagram, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.440 the static at the end displays what looks like the 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.520 face of the default player character Steve, and the numbers 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.320 one to one eight. This number has been interpreted to 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.680 be a visual signature from the composer of the majority 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.439 of the game's music, C four one eight, where C 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.240 is hexadecimal for twelve. This song and the discovery of 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.560 the secret in the spectrogram has led to a lot 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:30.240 of elaborate fan theories, but like the Boch motif, this 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.359 just seems to be another musician finding an overly elaborate 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.640 way to sign their work. As well as actual uses 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.080 of back masking and other ways of hiding information, you 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.280 talked about various allegations of backmasking during the Satanic Panic. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.120 One allegation of backmasking from this period that I find 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:51.720 especially egregious case of people finding Satanic messages just because 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.040 they're looking for them, is a claim that the theme 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.760 song to the popular television show Mr. Ed a Horse 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.199 is a Horse. Okay, I wasn't familiar with this one. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.320 Uh more details here. In twenty years after the show 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.600 went off the air, a preacher from South Ohio claimed 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.440 that when reversed, the message reads quote the source is 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.400 Satan and quote. Someone heard this song from Satan could 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.520 be heard. According to a Chicago Tribune article from the time, 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.080 the preacher stated that quote Satan can be an influence 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.000 whether you know it or not. We don't think they 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.080 did it on purpose, and we're not getting down on Mr. Ed. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.640 That would be like kicking baseball out of America. So 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.119 so that the idea was that they unconsciously encoded satanic 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.480 messages into the theme song and Mr. Ed, Yeah, I 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.520 guess that's the charge. But then you can't fault Mr. Ed. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.360 So it's like we're gonna we're gonna give you a 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:51.640 pass on this about I mean, what what are any 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.400 of them talking about? I mean that, as we went 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.280 into in in that episode and has been discussed many times, 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.520 it's you have people of this caliber who just kind 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.280 of go on this unending quest to find proof of 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.760 the satanic in music played backwards, and if you play 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.480 music backwards, you'll find something, and if you lean into 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.280 it enough you can interpret some of it is satanic. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.560 And I guess it just eventually just becomes this thing 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.960 you do all the time. But to your point, it 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.560 doesn't really reveal anything at that point, does it. It's 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.120 just kind of like, well, I mean, are you even 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.640 able to really hold that up as proof that the 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.440 Satanic realm and therefore the heavenly realm exists. I don't know, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:36.720 It just seems kind of pointless at that point. Yeah. Anyway, Uh. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.320 The email continues the idea that people somehow have a 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.520 subconscious pro Satan bias, but not a subconscious bias to 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.880 hear messages they deliberately want to hear despite them not 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.600 being there. Is demonstrative of how absurd this whole phenomenon 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.400 was agreed. Furthermore, this disclaimer didn't stop the preacher's accusation 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.560 from angering the founder of the International Mr. Ed Fan Club, 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.960 who said that quote, I am completely astounded. We have 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.240 Kadafi bomb people in airports, we have starving homeless people 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.840 right here in America, and this so called Christian chooses 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.560 to lambass Mr Ed wake Up and smell the road. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.400 Apple's Reverend Brown a truly devastating reply that makes me 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.840 worry about the consequences of ever upsetting a Mr. Ed fan. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.520 I guess this was before the age of of social 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:23.160 media and like BEF related clickbait news websites, but you 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.120 can you just imagine the headlines like Mr ed Fan 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:32.760 roasts Reverend Brown, it's a different time, alright. Finally, Adam 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.480 gets around to a Weird House and says, I've also 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.920 enjoyed Weird House cinema and have a few suggestions listed below, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.000 So yeah, we get take we can take uh, take 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.360 these one by one. Here Joe Eyes without a Face 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.640 nineteen sixty. I think this one briefly came out from 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.080 the show. In regards to films in the Criterion collection, 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.320 it may be a little too poetic for Weird House 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.480 that you've covered other art films, but it's one of 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:55.360 my favorite films and I'd be interested hearing your thoughts. Oh, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:56.880 I don't know if there's such a thing as too 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.200 poetic for Weird House. I mean, I think we lean 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.640 more on kind of lower brow or B movies. But yeah, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.359 we we're we're open to anything good or bad on 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.439 Weird House as long as it's you know, as long 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.080 as it's weird and interesting and fun. Yeah, we have 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.560 we we we try to keep a very diet and 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.840 then try and spread it out as long as it's 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.840 presentable for others at the table. Then within then we'll 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.080 we'll potentially look at it. I was in fact, just 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.480 looking at eyes without a face the other day, considering 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.960 watching it or rewatching. I think I saw it many 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.959 many years ago, um and reading a little bit more 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:38.080 about it, and yeah, it's it's a groundbreaking one, um 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.520 and one that uh that that still holds up and 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.119 its creepiness alright. The next one the Phantom of the 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.320 Paradise four. This is a rock opera retelling of Phantom 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.720 of the Opera Faust and Portrait of Dorian Gray, directed 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.320 by Brian to Palmer. It maybe too mainstream for Weird House. Also, 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.479 I wouldn't be surprised if you've both seen it already, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.119 but I'd also be interested in hearing your thoughts. We 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.080 love Phantom of the Paradise. Uh, I've watched that one 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.600 a number of times. It's it's a it's a house 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.679 favorite here I I have not yet watched it. So 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.639 this one, this one would be a fun selection at 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.720 some point. It's come up on the show before due 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.960 to some of the connections in it. I think Garrett Graham, 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:21.440 isn't it Garrett Graham plays a glam rock Frankenstein named Beef. Uh. 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:27.000 It's really good alright. The next one, House from seven. 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.080 This is an absolutely insane Japanese horror comedy with special 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.520 effects glore that has been seen. It has to be 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.080 seen to be believed. The film was partially inspired by 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.679 ideas from the director's daughter, which makes sense as it 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.440 feels like a child's fever dream. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.560 House Is Uh is of course horrifying. It is a 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.520 horror movie, but it also very much it sounds like 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.280 it comes from the mind of a child. It has 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.880 a very end then and then quality. Yeah, amazing poster too. 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.639 All right, now, this next one, Hyperspace slash Rim Illinois. 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.680 It's four. This is the very first feature laying Star 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.920 Wars spoof and the origin of Lord Buckethead, a character 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.080 who would later become a satirical political candidate in the UK. 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.840 In addition to Star Wars, it features scenes spoofing many 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.480 other sci fi films, ranging from War of the Worlds 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.560 to Phantasm. It also has some wild connections for being 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.159 a low budget spoof film from the mid eighties. Overall, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.280 it's a wonderful, funny and thoroughly underrated film. Never seen it. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:28.960 I haven't seen it either, but I have I have 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:33.119 met and uh and and worked with the actor who 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.960 played the original Lord Buckethead some kind of the yeah, yeah, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:42.080 all right, and then finally they suggest Labyrinth from six. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.040 This one needs no introduction. It has come up several 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:45.600 times on both Weird House and Stuff to Play your 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:47.880 Mind episodes, but I'd love to see an episode dedicated 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.479 to it. It could even get the Dark Crystal treatment 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:52.600 and have a stuff to Blow your Mind episode dedicated 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.760 to the biology or folklore of the many fantastic and 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.600 wonderful creatures we see throughout the film. Yeah, Labyrinth is 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:04.000 a goal. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking about Labyrinth recently. Actually, 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:08.159 I put together one upcoming Monster Fact episode deals with 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.560 something from Labyrinth because I ended up getting a copy 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.080 of the new Labyrinth Bestierry Uh that came out that 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.520 has all new illustrations and stuff about all the creatures 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.080 in the film, and also I think some creatures from 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.760 perhaps some follow up fiction related to Labyrinth um or 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.280 perhaps prequel fiction related to Labyrinth. I don't I haven't 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.359 gotten into that section as much, but yeah, there's there's 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.760 a lot going on in Labyrinth. There's a lot to 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:37.480 potentially discuss. So many great creative minds and talents went 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.240 into it. I mean obviously you have Jim Hinson, Brian 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.080 Fraul and David Bowie and Jennifer Connelly. But I mean 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.359 you also have Terry Jones of Monty Python, uh there 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.840 on on the screenplay, so they're all these absurd touches 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:54.359 there as well. Yeah, and it's also just in terms 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.520 of like compared you can't help but compared to Dark Crystal. 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.600 Dark Crystal of course takes its world building very seriously 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.080 and does a fabulous job with it. Labyrinth also does 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.320 a fabulous job, but it is a it is a musical, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.320 and it has this absurd quality to it, so it 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.920 goes in all these other different directions, and in a way, 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.800 it might it might be a more fun film to 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.200 discuss on on a Weird House episode because you do 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.000 have a lot of questions like what how does the 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:24.119 Goblin Army function? What exactly do do does Sarah want? 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.399 What exactly does does Jareth want? I mean there's a 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.760 lot to tie sack there. Yeah, I would say that 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.560 The Dark Crystal is more like a myth where you 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:36.960 get a view from a higher vantage point, whereas Labyrinth 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.280 is more like a fairy tale or you know, you 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.760 were just sort of injected into a world for a 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:48.440 series of events. Yeah, so all all solid suggestions here. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.520 I mean, really, if we were if we were forced 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.960 to do all of these that were suggested, I think 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.560 we'd probably be doing pretty well. And then finally, Adam 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.040 wraps things up, says congratulations to Joe and the rest 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.359 of the McCormick family for the new arrival, farewell to Steth, 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.199 a warm welcome to Max. That's kind of ironic, and 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.400 it thanks to all of you for creating a wonderful, 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:13.560 fascinating and entertaining show. Sincerely, Adam. Oh, thank you, Adam. 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.840 I mentioned its ironic because Max is going to be 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.480 stepping back from being one of two producers and j 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.480 J is going to be stepping forward to be like 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:26.240 the prime producer. So nothing, nothing tragic going on. Max 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:34.480 is still very much around. Okay. One last message for today. 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.320 This is about weird house cinema. Lawrence says, Hey, guys, 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.040 thanks for your entry on Santa Claus Conquers the Martians. 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:44.560 I first saw this film with my brother and sister 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:48.119 back when it was in theaters. I have Wow, I 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.600 have the DVD and we'll be viewing it later today 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.600 as part of my Christmas ritual. I wanted to suggest 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.040 that maybe the right word to describe drop Oh as 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.359 a kind of lieutenant Santa on Mars is viceroy. Drop 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:05.800 O is Santa's viceroy of Mars. Thanks again, Lawrence. Uh, yeah, 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.919 that's interesting. I don't think I knew the exact definition 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:11.760 of viceroy, so I looked it up. It is a 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.920