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Speaker 1: It is I Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by
Speaker 1: a writer, a comedian, a sketch comedian, a stand up comedian,
Speaker 1: an award winner, a bath To winner, a actor, a
Speaker 1: stage actor, a one million off, the two Governors, Helen Turing,
Speaker 1: a man who's done all the parts you can imagine,
Speaker 1: name and play. You think of your favorite part in it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was him. Please mother to the show. He's in
Speaker 1: everything you love. He's a man I love. He's a
Speaker 1: man Your love. Wonderful. It's the amazing. Is this a
Speaker 1: Daniel Wigbey? Wow? What do you want from me? Wow?
Speaker 1: We thank you? Mate? Hello, Daniel? How are you? I'm good?
Speaker 1: I'm good, how are you. I'm good, slowly to see you.
Speaker 1: I'm for the listener. I've known Daniel Wigby oh a
Speaker 1: long time now, A long long time, fourteen years, started
Speaker 1: asking every one a circuit. You won the Love of
Speaker 1: Horse New act Comedian of the Year, I believe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Never looked back, Never look back,
Speaker 1: jumbles every week since. Yeah, man, he's my first question
Speaker 1: for you. You're a brilliant stand up and you never
Speaker 1: do it. I thought, well, that's probably one of the
Speaker 1: things that bugs me the most about my entire life,
Speaker 1: which probably says something about the extraordinary privilege I live in.
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, because I did love doing it. But
Speaker 1: I I think it's just fear. I was always a
Speaker 1: really nervous performer, and it always meant because it feels
Speaker 1: like the whole, the whole acting career has been a
Speaker 1: byproduct of a love of comedy and wanting to be
Speaker 1: a comedian, which was all I ever wanted to do
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I was obsessed with it,
Speaker 1: and being a stand up was everything I ever wanted,
Speaker 1: And the fact that it is and still feels central
Speaker 1: and core to my being I think is part of
Speaker 1: the recent perversely why I've never done it recently because
Speaker 1: it just feels so important, you know, when something feels
Speaker 1: so it gives me such fear thinking about, you know.
Speaker 1: And when I was doing it, most of the time
Speaker 1: it would go cracking. And I really enjoyed it and
Speaker 1: loved doing the shows when I was in the swing
Speaker 1: of it, but I would get insanely nervous. And I
Speaker 1: think when whenever I have an I'm also I think
Speaker 1: a lazy person, and I think, whenever I've had half
Speaker 1: an excuse not to do something, I'll just take it.
Speaker 1: So I've just not you know, and acting. I was
Speaker 1: doing a lot of gigs when I was rehearsing for
Speaker 1: one Man two Governors, and then that went on for
Speaker 1: like eighteen months, so there was always an excuse to
Speaker 1: not do a gig. Got out the swing of it,
Speaker 1: and then the fear and the idea of it just
Speaker 1: grew and grew until now it's this. It's a real Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is something. It's real neurosis. It keeps me
Speaker 1: up at night. Actually, well, I'm glad, I'm glad I
Speaker 1: brought that up. First thing is to settle straight out
Speaker 1: the blocks with Yeah, the horror what's your fucking deepest fit. No,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting because I get nervous for every gig.
Speaker 1: It doesn't it hasn't changed. I don't think it's got
Speaker 1: maybe a bit less, but I also have started to go, oh,
Speaker 1: this is part of it, like this is just this
Speaker 1: is this is adrenaline. Is what you need to do
Speaker 1: the gig like you just have to absolutely be weird
Speaker 1: if you weren't. No, it's doing it. Yeah. Does it
Speaker 1: feel the same then it feels the same level now
Speaker 1: as it always has. No, that is a lay. It
Speaker 1: used to be all day before a gig to fear
Speaker 1: would start, whereas now I guess it's often it's shorter
Speaker 1: and shorter. It might be five minutes before, for an
Speaker 1: hour before. I used to get a very intense physical
Speaker 1: feeling that I was going to run away before a gig,
Speaker 1: like physical I would get itchy feet and think think
Speaker 1: of my exit roots and how a physical escape was
Speaker 1: possible from from the situation. Did you ever do it?
Speaker 1: Did you ever run out? No? I had. There was
Speaker 1: one gig where just before I went on stage, I
Speaker 1: rang my girlfriend at the time and she had to
Speaker 1: just talk me down from you know, saying you've made
Speaker 1: a commitment, You've promised to do half an hour. You
Speaker 1: really yeah to do You have to do your gigs.
Speaker 1: They're going to pay you. You've got to do this.
Speaker 1: That was the worst. It was when you were when
Speaker 1: you were doing Edinburgh Festival, where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I share everything le night. Did it get any easier
Speaker 1: over that month? Yeah? It did. And I think there's
Speaker 1: something about I feel like most most things are more
Speaker 1: scary in the abstract than they are in the doing
Speaker 1: of them. I feel the same way about writing, and
Speaker 1: like the idea of writing a book or a screenplays
Speaker 1: is this thing that you can You can let fear
Speaker 1: stop you from doing those things. It can really block you,
Speaker 1: but actually doing the thing is always less painful than
Speaker 1: you imagine it to be. And even dying on stage,
Speaker 1: which you know happened a couple of times, it was
Speaker 1: kind of strangely liberating. It always felt a bit like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually physically dying. There's no there's no blood.
Speaker 1: It's a sort of psychological death. Sure, it's like living
Speaker 1: in a worst nightmare, okay, but it's physically dying, and
Speaker 1: there's a weird freedom in it where I remember one
Speaker 1: where I was doing a gig for some bankers, and
Speaker 1: like it was. It was one of those gigs Weepter's food,
Speaker 1: which is always a bit deathly where everyone's eating everyone's
Speaker 1: working in finance, and it was in sitting and I
Speaker 1: just started clambering over. I think there was like a
Speaker 1: grand piano and then like just this big staircase with
Speaker 1: a big wooden banister thing. I just started climbing up
Speaker 1: the walls almost to the ceiling. It was going so badly.
Speaker 1: Even that wasn't getting any response. It was just a
Speaker 1: man watching a man clambering around. And I thought that
Speaker 1: I had had a great time. That's great, great, it's dying.
Speaker 1: If you've got a friend there, I think you can
Speaker 1: make them laugh at the back of the room, like
Speaker 1: fucking this is bad. Did a serious question, I know,
Speaker 1: with all due respect to love, it was it's not,
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest award in the world. But I
Speaker 1: have a theory on awards. You did win an award
Speaker 1: for comedy in that your first year, right, first second
Speaker 1: year of comedy, and I actually think that that puts
Speaker 1: the pressure on a comedian that isn't great. It puts
Speaker 1: pressure on an audience as well, because I think if
Speaker 1: you're introduced on stages this is the best new act,
Speaker 1: winner of the best New act, that the audience watches
Speaker 1: you differently, that the audience goes, oh, well, this better
Speaker 1: be fucking great. And also if they don't like you,
Speaker 1: if you're not to their their cavity, that they're going,
Speaker 1: how is this the best new act? Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it changes the dynamic in a
Speaker 1: way that isn't helpful. Did that happen to you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it did happen slightly. One of the things
Speaker 1: that happened was that you get bumped up in terms
Speaker 1: of where you are on the bill. And then I
Speaker 1: pumped up maybe before I was ready. So Laughing Horse
Speaker 1: were then who booked loads of gigs around London, which
Speaker 1: were really convenient. Then I was then headlining gigs within
Speaker 1: like a year of you know, I only started doing
Speaker 1: stand up the year before, or I was doing stuff
Speaker 1: way before I was ready. Basically I didn't know about,
Speaker 1: you know, how important it was to do all your
Speaker 1: time on stage stuff like that. I didn't know I was.
Speaker 1: I'd sort of got this set that I was happy
Speaker 1: with and clung onto it for dear life and didn't
Speaker 1: write new material for ages, just thinking well, this is
Speaker 1: you know, this is fine. That that stuff that you
Speaker 1: kind of learn. I do wish someone had told me
Speaker 1: a bit more about that, but yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: there was an element of a little bit of an
Speaker 1: element of running before you could walk. I remember your
Speaker 1: set right well, Sainsbury's taste is suffering and music concretes
Speaker 1: into That's a good memory, mate, that is a good memory.
Speaker 1: I think every time I get on the team. What
Speaker 1: about when you when you were saying, you know, you
Speaker 1: get stuck with the ride thing that that gives you
Speaker 1: the fear, and then when you do it, it's not
Speaker 1: Do you have a trick that you do too? If
Speaker 1: you're in that state, we're like, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: do this. What gets you to do it? I don't
Speaker 1: really have a trick. I don't have a trick. Give
Speaker 1: it's a trick. I've got a trick. I mean I've
Speaker 1: got I just know I've literally spent I just I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking of writing the audiobook for Audible, which I
Speaker 1: did last year, redrafted and finished last year. That was
Speaker 1: in the first lockdown, and there was no trick. There
Speaker 1: was just literally like just sometimes just strapping in and
Speaker 1: staring into the abyss. Yeah, not being able to do
Speaker 1: it and just staring into the vortex. Well can you
Speaker 1: apply that to instead. Yeah, the trick is always just
Speaker 1: doing it. I mean that, it's not a trick, it's
Speaker 1: just starting. It is always for me anyway, things start
Speaker 1: to happen if you just do it, or I've at
Speaker 1: least found that on the whole, So it's not getting
Speaker 1: trying not to get too caught up in the head
Speaker 1: and just doing it. I did a gig, like a
Speaker 1: random stand up gig with Ashland b in La. Actually
Speaker 1: that was last time about like four years ago, No,
Speaker 1: five years ago, Oh god, no, it's COVID as well.
Speaker 1: You've got count COVID, haven't you as years so about
Speaker 1: six years, six or seven years ago, And that was
Speaker 1: the last time I did stand up And it was
Speaker 1: this weird gig that was like it was builders like
Speaker 1: British and Irish Night. That was like one half of
Speaker 1: the show and then the other half. It was at
Speaker 1: UCB on Sunset Boulevard. Was there. I think I didn't
Speaker 1: mind days gigs I did mine have had Brits in
Speaker 1: Na gigs maybe not. I don't think you were there.
Speaker 1: I'd remembered if you were there. I think this was
Speaker 1: must Spin Another night, was it? Because the other half
Speaker 1: of it was an improvised music about a Sizzlers restaurant.
Speaker 1: I know, I definitely wasn't there, which was which was
Speaker 1: like it was scissors restaurant mixed with Lamy's arrabla that
Speaker 1: was like the improv exercise and I think it was
Speaker 1: called Laser's Larbora. That might be just me making that up.
Speaker 1: And it went really well and I thought, oh great,
Speaker 1: I'll just do this again, and then got back to
Speaker 1: the UK and I was like, oh, but I've got
Speaker 1: to do this thing, and all the usual bullocks, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I should do it. I should do it. Thanks, I'll
Speaker 1: do it. Okay, good. Now you've written a book. You've
Speaker 1: written an audible book. Yeah. I don't know whether you
Speaker 1: can call it a book. It's weird, I sort of.
Speaker 1: I think I've technically just written a load of noise
Speaker 1: audible thing. What is it and why? Explain yourself? Well,
Speaker 1: it is a book. It's written as a book, and
Speaker 1: then I've narrated it on Audible, but it's only available
Speaker 1: exclusively on Audible as part of audible plas. How did
Speaker 1: it come about? It was a commission that came out
Speaker 1: of They put the They'd asked people for submissions which
Speaker 1: which met a certain amount of criteria, and I've had
Speaker 1: this idea knocking about that just happened to meet most
Speaker 1: of them, which is a sci fi comedy, misanthropic detective,
Speaker 1: kind of a blade runner like piss Take. Really, I'd
Speaker 1: also trying to be trying to trying to be its
Speaker 1: own thing, and it just met It just met a
Speaker 1: bunch of things that they were They were looking for
Speaker 1: cross genre stuff and stuff that could be a series,
Speaker 1: and they were looking for comedy, and so it just
Speaker 1: sort of met a bunch of that criteria. So that's
Speaker 1: how it came about. Brilliant and you and You and
Speaker 1: you recorded it all, done it all, all sang the music.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's just me singing in the background throughout
Speaker 1: the whole thing, which they were very resistant to at first,
Speaker 1: but I won them round in the end. No, it's great.
Speaker 1: It's great. The production. The people that actually did the
Speaker 1: production of it, they've done a real whistles and bells
Speaker 1: job on the it's it's not quite a radio play.
Speaker 1: They've called it an enhanced audio book, but they've added
Speaker 1: like because there's lots of robots and aliens and mutants
Speaker 1: and there's lots of stupid shit in it, and they've
Speaker 1: just done voices and voice effects and sound effects and
Speaker 1: it's a real, like great soundscape. So it's exciting. What's
Speaker 1: it called, Isaac Steel and the Forever Many Daniel m
Speaker 1: h shit, I've forgotten to tell you something. I just
Speaker 1: I just looked at my notes and I'd like, fucking no,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't tell you that i'd made
Speaker 1: a note before. We loved it and I was like,
Speaker 1: definitely tell him this first, because you'll need to press it.
Speaker 1: But I didn't because we've got distracted by Stanna and
Speaker 1: I was excited to see you, et cetera. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just read you what it says here. You've died.
Speaker 1: I knew. I felt weird, relieved, I felt relieved like you.
Speaker 1: I felt relieved many, I finally felt at peace. That's
Speaker 1: how did you die? Well? This is what I think
Speaker 1: has happened. It's all a bit fuzzy. Earlier this year,
Speaker 1: I moved in with a terrific person called myself, and
Speaker 1: it's the first time I've lived on my hope. And
Speaker 1: I first morning I was here, you know, new place,
Speaker 1: on my own, feeling quiet, pleasing myself, bleary eyed in
Speaker 1: socks and pajamas. You don't need to know everything that
Speaker 1: was weary. But I slipped on. There's like three steps
Speaker 1: down to my bathroom, and I slipped on the first step.
Speaker 1: It's the first morning I'm here. And you know, when
Speaker 1: you just you look, you lose your body weight isn't
Speaker 1: your own anymore, it's you. And I hadn't fallen over
Speaker 1: like that since I was a kid, and I thought
Speaker 1: in the half a second it took for me to
Speaker 1: hit the floor, I grabbed the banister that was by
Speaker 1: the airs. It ripped out of the wall, and this
Speaker 1: really happened, by the way, this isn't how I died.
Speaker 1: This really happened, and it sort of exploded part of
Speaker 1: the wall. So I was laid there in a few seconds,
Speaker 1: like in a lot of pain on my own, first
Speaker 1: night in a new flat. I've destroyed a wall. I'm
Speaker 1: holding the banister, I'm covered in plaster dust, and I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not ready to live on my own. So
Speaker 1: what I think can happened to me is I'm cooking
Speaker 1: a lot of edged chili at the moment, It's gonna
Speaker 1: be some weird domestic accident where they don't find me
Speaker 1: for days and I'm going to fall awkwardly in my
Speaker 1: kitchen and suffocate on a on a pan of chili.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, weird like Darwin Award kitchen and
Speaker 1: no one comes looking at you because you just did
Speaker 1: that tweek going finally living alone, feel really great about it,
Speaker 1: so everyone doesn't just because he's happy ages they're just
Speaker 1: giving me my space. And again he smells the smell
Speaker 1: for him kiss delicious. He's cooking, that's right. He disguises
Speaker 1: the smell all that ground cumin disguises the smell of
Speaker 1: the lot in flesh. O god, how long is it
Speaker 1: until someone comes looking? Do you think? Well? This is
Speaker 1: the question? Yeah, week, a month, I mean, I hope,
Speaker 1: not a year. I hope not a year. I hope
Speaker 1: my lack of like WhatsApp voice memos like at least
Speaker 1: give someone an idea that there's something amiss. But a week, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a week's scary And it's scary. Oh, it's scary
Speaker 1: stuff and it happens every day. He dried hisself chillier
Speaker 1: and every day. Yeah, are you scared of death? Do
Speaker 1: you worry about it? Yeah? I do? Actually, yeah, I
Speaker 1: worry about it a lot. I think I worried about
Speaker 1: it a lot more. I used to worry about it
Speaker 1: a lot more. And I had to talk to therapists
Speaker 1: about it. Who recommended this book that I never read,
Speaker 1: which maybe I should. It was called The Meaning of Life,
Speaker 1: a collection of writings of philosophers and people, and it
Speaker 1: was all it was all kinds of different ideas of
Speaker 1: that people have had over the years about what life
Speaker 1: means and why you shouldn't feel that bad about dying,
Speaker 1: And and I don't think it's what I wanted. I
Speaker 1: just wanted one clear sentence rather than lots of ideas
Speaker 1: and lots of words, just one sentence, Yeah, well don't
Speaker 1: worry please, And whoever that, who had whichever philosopher said that?
Speaker 1: But yeah, And I feel like sometimes when I'm my
Speaker 1: most existential, I can almost get my head around the
Speaker 1: concept of not being around, of not existing, that there's
Speaker 1: some sort of like my brain has hands that I
Speaker 1: can almost get my head around the idea of it.
Speaker 1: But and that gives me almost to kind of. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is I mean, yeah, it does get me panicky sometimes,
Speaker 1: so I guess I do have a problem with it.
Speaker 1: But it's fine, isn't it. Yeah, but you said, you
Speaker 1: said you used to worry about it more. Do you
Speaker 1: think something changed to what changed? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think maybe the therapist that had at the time helped
Speaker 1: with it, and I just had ones that I had
Speaker 1: one that would I had one last year that I
Speaker 1: was because I was trying to find a new one
Speaker 1: who had COVID. We were doing it all on zoom,
Speaker 1: and you had COVID for the whole Like for Ages
Speaker 1: didn't stop seeing patients. He was really really ill. I mean,
Speaker 1: that wasn't why I stopped seeing him as a therapist.
Speaker 1: He would he would say things like it sounds to
Speaker 1: me very much like the tears of a clown. No, well,
Speaker 1: don't talk to that smokey Robinson and the miracles. They
Speaker 1: think that one therapist compared me to Norman Bates. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be saying this, maybe, but I don't know. Please
Speaker 1: tell me a bit more about the Norman Bates comparison. Well,
Speaker 1: she just said that, Oh you know what your story
Speaker 1: reminds me of it's such an overshare. But she said, yeah,
Speaker 1: Norman Bates is wild one of the most troubled protagonists
Speaker 1: in all of cinema. Sorry, just to be clear, you
Speaker 1: mean the title of the film that the characters in
Speaker 1: his Psycho and you are my therapist. You are saying
Speaker 1: I remind you of Psycho exactly. Wow. Yeah, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: been wearing the wig and dress and all that, and
Speaker 1: you would just get but I wouldn't heard a fly
Speaker 1: but death, But death does trouble. It calms me down.
Speaker 1: Looking at pictures you know those Hubble space telescope pictures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I look at those on Instagram. That calms me down. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it really nothing matters. It's all fine, will die,
Speaker 1: It's not just a trick that's been pulled on me.
Speaker 1: Do you think anything happens after you day? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say no, just based on you know, evidence. But well,
Speaker 1: I guess what I mean by that is the argument
Speaker 1: that we've already been dead for ages, so we sort
Speaker 1: of know what that's like. But yeah, there's definitely an
Speaker 1: argument saying we don't know, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: weird shit about so who knows. Maybe you know at
Speaker 1: the end, you do, and you know, you hope that
Speaker 1: there's a kind of return to the universe, element to death,
Speaker 1: that there is some sort of consciousness, but I doubt it.
Speaker 1: Um oh you got me. I'm wrong. There's a heaven.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, you my dead face. They were all watching
Speaker 1: this video as you were arriving at it, like, fuck
Speaker 1: it out, this guy. Anyway you turn up at heaven,
Speaker 1: they're delighted to see you. Um. God's a big fan
Speaker 1: of yours. To add up and he's like, you do
Speaker 1: a gig, come in the same stuff? Is this heaven?
Speaker 1: Apping anxiety? It's filled with your favorite thing? What's your
Speaker 1: favorite think? Crisps. It's filled with chris It's made of crisps.
Speaker 1: The walls are made of Chrisp. The chairs made a Chrisp.
Speaker 1: It's not as uncomfortable as you'd think. The seats are
Speaker 1: like giant pringles invertencies. Sit and you've got your arms
Speaker 1: on the on the giant pringles. Do my arms get
Speaker 1: sort of salty? Yes, but you're licking them all right,
Speaker 1: You lick them. It's your favorite thing. And the beds
Speaker 1: are made of crisps. And didn't breakfast, lunch, and dinner
Speaker 1: is crisps. I feel like Heaven's misunderstood what I like
Speaker 1: about crisp, because I don't like I don't like rubbing
Speaker 1: crisps all over my body. What I like is well,
Speaker 1: when you filled in the form, you probably should have
Speaker 1: specified because it's mostly the showers are made of Chris,
Speaker 1: and Chris come out of the shower. Oh okay, But
Speaker 1: in this heaven made of crisp that you m asked thought.
Speaker 1: They are obsessed with film. We want to know about
Speaker 1: your life through the medium of film. And the first
Speaker 1: thing they ask you is, what's the first film you're
Speaker 1: remember seeing? Daniel Ridley Pinocchio, which we saw at the cinema.
Speaker 1: I mean, my memory is so hazy of my entire life,
Speaker 1: not just my childhood. So this is really clutching at straws.
Speaker 1: But my brother confirmed that it was Pinocchio, which must
Speaker 1: that was made in like the forties, wasn't it, So
Speaker 1: it must yeah, so yeah, and yeah. I just remember
Speaker 1: sitting in a chair doing that sort of lolling. I
Speaker 1: was definitely sleeping for most of it, because I was
Speaker 1: doing that lolling like back of the car child sleep
Speaker 1: where your head down and jerks up. I remember that
Speaker 1: in Maltese is but you know it's Pinocchio. Where were you? Where?
Speaker 1: Where was happening? It would have been in Stockport. It
Speaker 1: would have been a cinema in Stockport, which I think
Speaker 1: was called the Davenport Cinema, which was down in the
Speaker 1: center of town. Is it just you and your brother?
Speaker 1: I've got two younger brothers. You're the eldest. I'm the oldest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: chief age ages age gaps. Oh that's good. I am
Speaker 1: thirty nine. My brothers thirty. He's thirty seven, and the
Speaker 1: one below that is eighty seven, so he's thirty five. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's a quite consistent situation going on there. What
Speaker 1: from the parents point of year in the early eighties, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a consistent there's a consistency. So when we're doing
Speaker 1: this regular factory line. Yeah, children in the early age,
Speaker 1: this one can sit get on top. Yeah, yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: did they do? You look after your brothers? Say? Look
Speaker 1: up to you? Yeah, I look up. I look up
Speaker 1: to my brother's bloody love them. I mean it's three
Speaker 1: boys as well. So when we were growing up, we
Speaker 1: would eat the living shit out of each other. I
Speaker 1: mean we fought so much that my dad at one
Speaker 1: point cleared furniture in the living room to make a
Speaker 1: kind of ring for us to fight it, so that
Speaker 1: we would Yeah, so we could just thrash out. And
Speaker 1: of course we're like, we know, we don't, we don't
Speaker 1: want to fight now, but yeah, we absolutely. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel bad for it now because I think I was
Speaker 1: a bat as the eldest. I was a real bastard
Speaker 1: to you know, to them both, So you know, sorry
Speaker 1: about that if you're listening. But but we were. Now
Speaker 1: we're sort of all best buddies. That's very nice. Went
Speaker 1: to the to the Superneggio. Did you remember thinking, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: I want to do this. I want to be a
Speaker 1: wooden boy. I don't remember thinking I want to be
Speaker 1: a wooden boy. I remember thinking about mare teasers mainly. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is the film that made you cry the most?
Speaker 1: Do you do you? Are you a cryer? Yeah? In
Speaker 1: front of people? Yeah, I don't mind it. I don't
Speaker 1: mind just sobbing in front of other human beings. I
Speaker 1: quite like it. No, I don't like it, but I'm
Speaker 1: fair a fairly easy crier. I mean the film that
Speaker 1: I remember ripping my heart out and putting it in
Speaker 1: its mouth and smushing it down and shifting it out.
Speaker 1: Was Grave of the Fireflies shirt Studio Ghibli Ghibli. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that film is. I don't know whether films that sad
Speaker 1: should exist, but it's a beautiful film. I mean, but
Speaker 1: it's just so unbelievably sad. And the color purple as well.
Speaker 1: I remember that when I was my mom had got
Speaker 1: on VHS. I remember that being an early cry, early
Speaker 1: film cry. It was actually probably shouldn't been watching it,
Speaker 1: but yeah. Most recently I saw a documentary about called
Speaker 1: The Rescue, which is about those you've seen it. No,
Speaker 1: it's funny the for listeners who liked Ted Lasso The
Speaker 1: Writer's Room Ted Lasso. Bill Lawrence is so obsessed with
Speaker 1: The Rescue, and he was trying to make everyone watching it.
Speaker 1: No one watched it, and then one by one and
Speaker 1: our sort of group thread every day one a day.
Speaker 1: I just want to rescue. I can't believe it. Bill
Speaker 1: is right and feels like this is the greatest day
Speaker 1: in my life. Yeah, Bill's right. Bill's right. It's an
Speaker 1: amazing story and just had me in bits because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of shit about isn't that Like we're wading
Speaker 1: through so much shit, and then you see this story
Speaker 1: which is about hundreds of people from all over the
Speaker 1: world getting together to save twelve boys who they've never
Speaker 1: met and they don't know and it's just like human
Speaker 1: beings that they're absolute best. And there was something about
Speaker 1: that that just, yeah, destroyed me. What's the film that's
Speaker 1: scared than? Do you like being scared? I think, I
Speaker 1: think occasionally I do like being scared. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: don't know whether my feelings on it are evolving because
Speaker 1: I don't know. Recently, I watched The Texas Chainsaw Mask
Speaker 1: for the first time, which I've never seen, and I
Speaker 1: just thought, why why the end of it? I just
Speaker 1: why does it exist? I don't understand. I didn't understand
Speaker 1: why it existed because those horror films were quite often
Speaker 1: in horrors, the genre where there's no redemption. Everyone's either
Speaker 1: dead or mad at the end and covered in blood
Speaker 1: and screaming, and you think, what, how's this taken me
Speaker 1: out of my life? Made me feel better? I hear you,
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I think, yeah, Sexist Manager is
Speaker 1: particularly like, it's horrible. This is just a really horrible,
Speaker 1: unpleasant time. But I think there are lots of horror films.
Speaker 1: It depends on the type of thing it is. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't like the really Blinked just
Speaker 1: fucking isn't everyone everything horrible type film, But like the Conjuring, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't mind the Country. Yeah, stuff like the Human
Speaker 1: Centipede or Saw or Hostile or those ones that are
Speaker 1: just like people obviously having the darkest parts of their
Speaker 1: shadow minds tickled, and you think, well, you know, fair enough,
Speaker 1: but absolutely maybe not for me. But I remember the
Speaker 1: film that scared me the most was we didn't really
Speaker 1: have and I've you know, listened to the podcast. I
Speaker 1: know that this is a bit of a theme, but
Speaker 1: we didn't really have restrictions on what we could watch
Speaker 1: as far as I can remember, And we watched Amateurville
Speaker 1: Horror Part two, which was a film where a man
Speaker 1: becomes possessed and murders his entire family over the course
Speaker 1: of two hours, and we were terrified. And around the
Speaker 1: same time we watched Child's Play as well. YEA, my
Speaker 1: brother just below so middle child. He had loads of
Speaker 1: stuffed toysed and it was a real source of psychological torture,
Speaker 1: pretending to him that they've come alive after we'd seen it.
Speaker 1: Who has to pay You in the ring Dad's made? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: those those were the big I'm out of the horror
Speaker 1: part too. Gosh, yeah, I still remember, still remember that.
Speaker 1: It was also around the time we saw ghost Watch.
Speaker 1: Did you see that on too days? If you saw
Speaker 1: guys watch, you will never forget it. Yeah, never forget it.
Speaker 1: Didn't didn't The people might top themselves after watching I
Speaker 1: saw that. Maybe that's apocryphal, but but I think that
Speaker 1: might be part of the less people and did their lives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was also my mum really believed believes in ghosts,
Speaker 1: so she would talk about them all the time, scather
Speaker 1: shit out of all of us. She's seen guys, she
Speaker 1: said she had, Yeah, please tell me. Well, well, I
Speaker 1: think she'd said that she'd seen her mum, my nanna,
Speaker 1: And she said that my youngest brother had seen our
Speaker 1: granddad just before he died, which isn't a ghost, is it.
Speaker 1: That's just coming round? So Granddad today, booky, he seemed
Speaker 1: after you. That's amazing. And she always used to say,
Speaker 1: which I don't know where it comes from. I don't
Speaker 1: know whether you've ever heard this, but her way of
Speaker 1: saying good night was quite spooky. She would always say
Speaker 1: good night, God, bless seeing the morning with God's help,
Speaker 1: which as a kid, you're thinking, why do I need
Speaker 1: the intervention of the almighty? Yeah see me tomorrow, my goodness,
Speaker 1: which is quite a spooky way to say good night. Yeah, kids,
Speaker 1: and I see you in the morning. If it should
Speaker 1: be if the creator of the universe sides that you
Speaker 1: can get up. But it's out of my hands now
Speaker 1: it's with him or her. Wow, what's the film that
Speaker 1: you love? It's not critically exclaimed, most people don't even
Speaker 1: like it, but you love it unconditionally. This is one
Speaker 1: from the childhood, and it's Batman Forever. That is a really,
Speaker 1: really good answer. It's a really good answer. I loved
Speaker 1: Batman Forever, and I know it's not good. I see
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do with it. It was going
Speaker 1: for real, you know, comic strip type feel. But but
Speaker 1: at the time I was obsessed with Batman, was obsessed
Speaker 1: with with Jim Carey. So it tooks a load of boxes.
Speaker 1: So it was a favorite film of mine for ages
Speaker 1: because also it was the time it was, It was
Speaker 1: the time of life when I was coming out of
Speaker 1: every film at the cinema and going last, my favorite
Speaker 1: film just sort the Cable Guy. That's my favorite film too,
Speaker 1: the thing with Batman Forever. It's quite that that thing
Speaker 1: that happened sometimes in films where it's so manning. Everyone's
Speaker 1: performance is so manning, and the canvas same manning, and
Speaker 1: everything everyone's going and it's sort of like no one's
Speaker 1: quite sort of what they're meant to be doing, and
Speaker 1: they've just been telling go big, go big, go big,
Speaker 1: and everything's mental and you're like this it is quite
Speaker 1: I imagine now it's it's quite annoying. It's like an
Speaker 1: annoying watch, like calm down, everyone, what you're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apart from Tommy Lee Jones, who looks just sort of
Speaker 1: vaguely annoyed that he's there, and didn't he say to
Speaker 1: Jim Carey, what's the quote I read something that he
Speaker 1: hated Jim Carey and said something to him like, I
Speaker 1: find it impossible to sanction your buffoonery as something incredibly
Speaker 1: dry put down there as he stood there sort of
Speaker 1: with half a purple face and half a leopard skin soup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really good answer. You can have that. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, what's the film that you used to love.
Speaker 1: You loved it, and you've watched it recently and you thought,
Speaker 1: oh no, that is not for me. It's actually want
Speaker 1: to not watched recently. Sorry about that, but and it's
Speaker 1: another Jim Carey film, who was my idol. But it's
Speaker 1: probably as Ventura because I'm just remembering bits of it
Speaker 1: and thinking I probably wouldn't do very well watching it now.
Speaker 1: And I think if I remember, it's got powerfully aansphobic finale. Yes,
Speaker 1: the whole film builds to the horrific transphobic jack. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't really hold up, do you? As a gym carry fan.
Speaker 1: Thanks in the Baffinery of Jim and Andy the documentary
Speaker 1: film mate. That was hard to watch that as a
Speaker 1: because I am a massive fan of his. But I
Speaker 1: watched that and thought, I mean, just because you have
Speaker 1: as an actor, you have empathy with everyone that he's
Speaker 1: working with. Going if you're working with this person who's
Speaker 1: absolute nightmare, who's evidently in the grip of some sort
Speaker 1: of psychotic break, then it just makes working impossible, and
Speaker 1: it makes the pull of gravity all about him. About that,
Speaker 1: there's no way that the collaborative process can happen in
Speaker 1: anything but a sort of skewed way. I just I
Speaker 1: just felt for everyone who was working with him. I
Speaker 1: thought it was mental. But I don't understand like method acting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get why. It's because that's been in
Speaker 1: the It's been a bit of chat about that reason,
Speaker 1: isn't it because of Jeremy Strong and apparently he's very
Speaker 1: unusual method And I understand if you need to as
Speaker 1: an actor, if you need to have tools or psychologically
Speaker 1: put put exercises in place that give you the license
Speaker 1: to make certain decisions or give you a kind of
Speaker 1: courage in a sense. But with method acting like that,
Speaker 1: I can't. There's something at the root of it of
Speaker 1: becoming another person, which is ultimately you can't if you've
Speaker 1: become save your Daniel dy Lewis and you've become Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1: Why is Abraham Lincoln allowing himself to have makeup applied?
Speaker 1: And I always imagine in there will be learned if
Speaker 1: he's encountered the hotel. Why isn't he's been in the
Speaker 1: whole film game? What's that? What's that mache? Why are
Speaker 1: you shouting action or at least magic sticks capturing my voice?
Speaker 1: Why are you asking me to say the same thing again?
Speaker 1: I just said it. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, Jim and
Speaker 1: Andy blew my mind, blew my mind. And is there
Speaker 1: any chance that the documentary itself is a prank? It
Speaker 1: just doesn't. It's too conlincy, isn't it. The documentary itself
Speaker 1: is a prank? Yeah? Well gosh, yeah, it's too That
Speaker 1: would be so elaborate. It's very elaborate. And you know
Speaker 1: what it makes me said about they're doing anything is
Speaker 1: I did find it really like and I love man
Speaker 1: on the main I love it. I think it's great,
Speaker 1: and it's a shame it was such a night for
Speaker 1: everyone involved. Yeah. Interesting. Just remember that bit where it
Speaker 1: sort of tips over into something which is really I
Speaker 1: found unpleasant, Which was which which might have been helpful
Speaker 1: to the people involved, but from an outside his point
Speaker 1: of view, I felt was a bit exploitative and a
Speaker 1: bit unpleasant, which was he's doing like this kind of
Speaker 1: role play exercise with actually Andy's relatives. Remember that bit
Speaker 1: where he's actually sort of playing Andy with the family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think that's just a scenario that I can't understand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I truly agree, And I you know, there's that story
Speaker 1: of Dustin Hoffman slapping Meryl Street just before I take
Speaker 1: to get her into it, and her being like, I'll
Speaker 1: I'll take care of myself. You don't need to hit
Speaker 1: me to get me where you think I need to be.
Speaker 1: I'll get myself, you know what I mean? Like, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it takes away everyone else's agency in it. It's like
Speaker 1: I was just going to act. I don't know you
Speaker 1: can you can smashage at your redigence or if you
Speaker 1: need to. Yeah, yeah, well here we are. And that
Speaker 1: was that. What is the film that means the most
Speaker 1: to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good,
Speaker 1: but because the experience you had around seeing the film
Speaker 1: will always make it special to you, don't you. Rigby
Speaker 1: very special film to me because I always remember watching
Speaker 1: it with my brothers when we were kids, and it
Speaker 1: brought us so much joy, and we must have watched
Speaker 1: it one hundreds and hundreds of times. Is drop dead Fred,
Speaker 1: That's very near that film. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just just a joy. I just loved that film.
Speaker 1: Rick Males hilarious. I mean I've not seen it in
Speaker 1: a while, but it was totally and it's all like
Speaker 1: very pure, let's all puking and fighting, and but I
Speaker 1: love that stuff. Lap it up, hobbitt, that trop give
Speaker 1: me that pig of that lap lap lappened it up.
Speaker 1: What is the film you must relate to it? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I keep sort of keep HARKing back. Really,
Speaker 1: I think a film that I related to a lot
Speaker 1: on a very superficial level because I was called Daniel
Speaker 1: and I did karate was karate kid. Wait wait wait
Speaker 1: you did karate? Yeah? You really fight your brothers, so
Speaker 1: I could really, yeah, do very slow armed movements in
Speaker 1: several different directions in front of them, which is what
Speaker 1: all I learned. And the reason I stopped doing karate
Speaker 1: was because I got mugged outside the dojo or as
Speaker 1: it was also known, stop Port Leisure Center. No, I
Speaker 1: got mugged waiting to pay for my yellow belt. No,
Speaker 1: they took the money off me that I was going
Speaker 1: to pay for my yellow belt in karate. So and
Speaker 1: I thought, well, this isn't working. That is, you couldn't
Speaker 1: make it out. You couldn't make it up. You couldn't
Speaker 1: make it up, Daniel, you could not make that up.
Speaker 1: I'd say, I don't make that and i'd say, I
Speaker 1: haven't off my back, did you? Did? You? Did your
Speaker 1: teacher like not not charge you? Were they that fair
Speaker 1: enough sense? No? No, of course you don't. Alice with
Speaker 1: the belt that didn't work. I think, gosh, I've got
Speaker 1: vague memory of going inside and saying I can't pay
Speaker 1: for the belt. Some boys took my money and hit me,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think they just like I took my
Speaker 1: bike as well, And I think I think my mum
Speaker 1: just had to come pick me up and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I would have been twelve, eleven twelve. It's really upset me.
Speaker 1: Do you want to take a break? Yeah, wait, we
Speaker 1: can take a break a minute. It's a serious that.
Speaker 1: What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Yeah? I thought
Speaker 1: about this one, and then I had one answer, and
Speaker 1: then another answer came rushing out of my subconscious. What
Speaker 1: was the first one? The first one was The Mask
Speaker 1: with Cameron Diaz? When when? When? When I first saw
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz in the Mask that I'd never sent anyone
Speaker 1: or any piece of art so beautiful as Cameron Diaz
Speaker 1: in The Mask when I was a kid. But the
Speaker 1: sexiest film I think I ever saw was at a
Speaker 1: time of my life when I was sneaking downstairs to
Speaker 1: watch Table, which was all fairly new and in amongst
Speaker 1: the little snippets of topless darts on live TV. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you remember that. It truly was another time, wasn't It
Speaker 1: really was like it and the bouncing dancing where the
Speaker 1: little person. Yeah, but it was like proper darts. It
Speaker 1: was just like darts games that would go on for
Speaker 1: as long as a dart. It was a proper darts
Speaker 1: game and just just happened to be beautiful women who
Speaker 1: are half naked, and they weren't bad. They weren't bad
Speaker 1: at the darts. Excellent at darts, excellent darts. That's why
Speaker 1: I watched it. There was a film that I can't
Speaker 1: remember which channel was, but Naked Souls, which was an
Speaker 1: erotic thriller star always a good genre, always a classy genre,
Speaker 1: which starred Pamela Anderson and David Warner. Oh great. I
Speaker 1: wrote down the description of the film. It's an artist
Speaker 1: tries to rescue her scientist boyfriend who switched bodies with
Speaker 1: an evil elderly genius. That's an everyone sic set right
Speaker 1: there right there. That gets me going. It gets me
Speaker 1: going right there. But yeah, I just was also obsessed
Speaker 1: with Pama Anderson. I had a postcard of Pama Anderson
Speaker 1: under my bed, which was it wasn't particularly explicit or anything,
Speaker 1: just of her with a tasteful a taste on nipple
Speaker 1: on display. And I kept it under my bed for
Speaker 1: like a talisman for years. The one, just one, just
Speaker 1: one solitary postcard. That was it. It was my yeah,
Speaker 1: holy beautiful but yeah Naked Souls, which was absolute. I
Speaker 1: mean I remember, even at that age thinking it was
Speaker 1: absolute dogshit as a film. But still that David One
Speaker 1: is a classy, classy actor. He's like done, He's like
Speaker 1: a proper what David Warning from the man with two brains? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah yeah, the olderly evil genius. He's
Speaker 1: the oldly Yeah yeah, he's the old evil genius. Well
Speaker 1: I'm solved, thank you. Um. There's a subcategory to this question.
Speaker 1: Troubling bone is worrying. Why don't film you found a
Speaker 1: rousing that you thought maybe you shouldn't have found a rousing.
Speaker 1: I struggled with this question. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people do, because there's there's there's shame inherent in it,
Speaker 1: isn't there? I can't remember a troubling boner. I can
Speaker 1: remember a troublesome boner, a mischievous boner, a meddlesome boner. Remember,
Speaker 1: I can't remember a troubling one. Okay, I mean Michelle
Speaker 1: Peiffer in Batman Returns, because that's quite kinky. But it's
Speaker 1: not troubling. I mean, come on, that's boner, isn't it.
Speaker 1: That's a that is a silid proud to be their boner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that man is not asking any questions. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a no qualms boner. That bonus. Like, sorry, did someone
Speaker 1: say Catwoman? I'm sorry, I am late. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm not having that now, I'm sorry. Okay, fair play.
Speaker 1: Do you have an alternative if he said the penguin?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's all just really obvious stuff.
Speaker 1: It's all you know, drawings, you know, you know, drawings
Speaker 1: that you've got bonus for, which I think is the
Speaker 1: that's okay, that kind of thing. But but yeah, what
Speaker 1: about you know made Marian in the Disney Robin hood
Speaker 1: mm hmm. No, she never she never got it up
Speaker 1: for me. But but I know that Robin stimulated a
Speaker 1: lot of female friends of mine. He did tremendous work
Speaker 1: amongst most of our peers. Actually, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: It's a trope, isn't it. Yeah, So you've got nothing
Speaker 1: for this one because you're and you know what, I'll
Speaker 1: accept it if you're. If your reason is you have
Speaker 1: no shame in any of your boners, I think that's
Speaker 1: very psychologically healthy. I just feel like, what is I feel?
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm quite serene about my bonus. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm quite zen about them. Listen for you. I'm inventing
Speaker 1: a categories that most end boner, most zen boner, lovely
Speaker 1: zen bonus. Objectively, what is objectively the greatest film of
Speaker 1: all time? Okay, Vertigo is one that I've got, Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's not one that's like a massive I mean
Speaker 1: I loved it when I saw it, but it's not
Speaker 1: like a massive favorite of mine. But that's the question.
Speaker 1: It might not be your favorite. It's like, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: greatest work of cinema. M Yeah, so Vertigo. I think
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange Love, yes, which I've got biased towards because
Speaker 1: I love it, But I think also could be up there.
Speaker 1: Played Runner, Yeah, I got issues you played Runner, but
Speaker 1: Blade Run. There is the incredibly weird sexualist sort the
Speaker 1: scene that's played like a love scene. Oh yeah, I've
Speaker 1: forgotten about the sexual assaults, really really weird. Sean Young says,
Speaker 1: let me go. He goes to tell me you want me.
Speaker 1: She says I don't want you. He says, tell me
Speaker 1: you want me. She says I don't want you, and
Speaker 1: then he grabs her and kisses her, and then a
Speaker 1: saxophone blade. Oh yeah, blade, run there. Sorry, I forgot
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, so probably Doctor Strangelove Vertigo. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can have it. What is the film you could or
Speaker 1: have watched the most over and over again? The film
Speaker 1: I've watched over and over again as Good Fellows. Yes,
Speaker 1: I watched it really regularly. Yes, I think I don't
Speaker 1: know what that does about me. Probably incredible taste. No,
Speaker 1: you know what's good for you? It's an amazing film.
Speaker 1: Let's put that in. Then the greatest film Little Time? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: it could be that ship. Let's not be too negative
Speaker 1: here for too long. What's the worst film you've ever seen? Well? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: Naked Songs, starring Pama Anderson and David Warner was a
Speaker 1: film that was so bad it almost stopped me wanking.
Speaker 1: Your meditating said was like, yeah, I'm finally difficult to
Speaker 1: stay present. Can we switch back over to the top
Speaker 1: of the starts um naked naked songs? It's definitely up
Speaker 1: there because it was I just remember even at that
Speaker 1: age and I was in prime you know, as primetime
Speaker 1: wanking time as they say, And it was even then
Speaker 1: with with that with the hormones cloud. In my judgment,
Speaker 1: I was still like, this is absolute dog shit. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't get Bond. Well, here we go talk to me. Well,
Speaker 1: not that they're the worst films that I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: but I regularly watched them, and you know, if they're
Speaker 1: on I get what the appeal is in terms of
Speaker 1: adventure and macho and a bit of diversion, but I
Speaker 1: don't get why people take them so seriously. And there
Speaker 1: was one, what's the one where there's a man who
Speaker 1: sort of inflates and then floats up to the sky
Speaker 1: and then bursts like a balloon and it's just like
Speaker 1: it's just the most awful special effect. I can't remember
Speaker 1: the name of the film, but it's like some trap
Speaker 1: and it's Roger. It's a Roger Moore Bond film, right,
Speaker 1: I think it's Maon Maker. Yeah, yeah, the end of that,
Speaker 1: there's this terrible I just don't. I don't also that
Speaker 1: even in the because what you're describing there about Blade
Speaker 1: Runner and the problematic gender dynamics, it's kind of with bond.
Speaker 1: I think even at the beginning of beginning of one
Speaker 1: of the recent films, Daniel Craig's like shot this character's
Speaker 1: husband and like slaps her and then then yes, a
Speaker 1: bond is something that I don't get in the way
Speaker 1: that some people get, and people obsess over it in
Speaker 1: a way that I don't. I don't really like you
Speaker 1: really like chin scratching and what does this mean? And
Speaker 1: that means the themes it's just a bloke with a
Speaker 1: load of like weird watches and lasers like blowing people up.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's not a serious the man with
Speaker 1: the weird watches and pumps air pumps. Yeah, what is
Speaker 1: the Listen, you're in comedy. Your award winning for it
Speaker 1: was the film that made you laugh the most. I
Speaker 1: think you probably had this answer before. But Team America
Speaker 1: World Police, Yeah, really really made me laugh a bit
Speaker 1: where he's the insistent scag where he's throwing up and
Speaker 1: just never I remember just hurting laughing from it and
Speaker 1: it goes again and it's just the laughter is just
Speaker 1: took over my body. Yeah, and South part of the
Speaker 1: movie is I mean, I'm such a big fan of
Speaker 1: Trey Parker and Matt Stone. I think, yeah, they're amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, those those films, and they're really obvious ones
Speaker 1: that you know, Spinal Tap and Best in Show. Katherine
Speaker 1: O'Hara's brilliant physical comedy in that which I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can remember where she sort of hurts her
Speaker 1: leg and I've got no idea how she does it,
Speaker 1: but she does the weirdest walk there's ever been committed
Speaker 1: to film away from the camera with just one leg,
Speaker 1: just wobbling ever so slightly every time she steps on it.
Speaker 1: It's just absolutely incredible physical comedy, which is amazing. And
Speaker 1: do you do does Derek and Clive get the horn count?
Speaker 1: Because that was like a documentary, that was a film.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you that. That's really good that
Speaker 1: you brought that up. It's never been brought up before. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's quite disturbing. I love, love, love Dare and Cloud,
Speaker 1: But if you haven't seen it, it's like a film
Speaker 1: of the recording of a Derek and Clive album and
Speaker 1: it's at their lowest, darkest, that's the last one, right,
Speaker 1: And yeah, Peter Cookie is being fucking horrible and weird
Speaker 1: and hosogynistic. And why I have offered it because I
Speaker 1: just remember that watching Dudley Moore doing specifically the mother
Speaker 1: sketch in that which has always loved listening to it
Speaker 1: on CD, and just laughing at so much at that,
Speaker 1: but also as a as an as the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know, it is a weird study and a very
Speaker 1: specific time in their relationship where so toxic, and clearly
Speaker 1: that toxicity is bubbling out in all kinds of strange ways.
Speaker 1: And Peter Cook's being very unpleasant at times. So it's
Speaker 1: not it's not laughing minute. And doesn't he make it
Speaker 1: it doesn't he make a joke about cancer? And it
Speaker 1: was just after Dudley Moore's mum had died of cancer.
Speaker 1: It's very weird. He's really trying to upset him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a slight sociopathic kind of joking about about cancer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she'd she'd just been diagnosed, don't she, And yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. And he also says that one point
Speaker 1: they're bringing a sex doll. There's all this kind of
Speaker 1: weird like seventies chauvinistic like pranks, and one of them
Speaker 1: is an actual stripper, comes in and he pretends to
Speaker 1: be a vampire, a vampire and sort of engulfs her
Speaker 1: at one point in a very inappropriate and unusual way.
Speaker 1: And then at one point they there's a sex doll
Speaker 1: in there, and Peter Cook says, well, like most of women,
Speaker 1: she's best when she's blown up. What is going on
Speaker 1: with because I think he'd just gone through a divorce,
Speaker 1: like his divorce had just happened, or he was just
Speaker 1: getting divorced, or he was in a terrible place. And
Speaker 1: Dudley Moore was a movie star then, and Peter Cook
Speaker 1: was very jealous, I believe in obviously just couldn't understand
Speaker 1: why is this guy a movie star? And I'm not
Speaker 1: It's right, Yeah, he'd just sort of done Arthur, hadn't they? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Dadley Mill tried to get during glead getting them
Speaker 1: on band. I think he didn't want it to come
Speaker 1: out because he was very unpleasant, very interesting, weird film
Speaker 1: that you know, he directed that film. I believe it
Speaker 1: is the same director as the man who made Highlander.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, what a cv. I've never seen Highlander. It's
Speaker 1: the obvious follow up to doing at the yea. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on there? How's he going from? Yeah? Wow, Highland?
Speaker 1: It's Highlander good? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, sure. It's about an
Speaker 1: immortal Scottish man. Yeah, there can be only one, which
Speaker 1: is where there are many sequels. Yeah, Scottish. And he's
Speaker 1: played by Christoph Lambert. Oh. And there's a story about
Speaker 1: the making of it. I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 1: The legend is Sean Connery was paid like Sany, was
Speaker 1: very difficult on it and had got his fee to like,
Speaker 1: let's set a million a second on screen time, what's
Speaker 1: something that was reasonable? And the story is that, like
Speaker 1: he was so rude to the direction director was that
Speaker 1: we just need to swing your sword around your head
Speaker 1: of something, and that Sean Connery, as he was swinging
Speaker 1: around his head was going one million, two millions, three million,
Speaker 1: four million. Wow. That's a flex, isn't it. Literally with
Speaker 1: a sword in your hand, shouting how much money you're earning,
Speaker 1: don't you? Mainely You have been an absolute delight. I
Speaker 1: have loved this However, when you were alone in your house,
Speaker 1: you pulled the bannerstr out of the wall, left a
Speaker 1: lot of holes in the place, and actually that turned
Speaker 1: out to be a good thing, because it meant that
Speaker 1: people could hear what was going on through the walls.
Speaker 1: You're in your kitchen, you're cooking, love a bit of cooking.
Speaker 1: You had a bowl of crisps while you were cooking,
Speaker 1: big bar of chrissie. You were just rubbing them over
Speaker 1: your face, just for the camport from them on my arms,
Speaker 1: getting ready for when yours, as you always do with
Speaker 1: your crisps, and just make sure the salt is all
Speaker 1: over your eyes. And you're cooking up this chili, chili,
Speaker 1: old chili, old thing. And you had your socks on,
Speaker 1: you always wearing socks around that house and quite shiny floors,
Speaker 1: and you you slipped over, slipped over your socks, and
Speaker 1: you pulled the pan of stew towards you, and the
Speaker 1: chili the pan perfectly sactioned onto your face and you
Speaker 1: couldn't pull it off, and you were suffocating. I'm burning chili.
Speaker 1: And it took i'd say two hours few to fully done.
Speaker 1: But you couldn't make noise because they create a vacuum
Speaker 1: with this pan. Anyway, a week went by and I
Speaker 1: was like, I've got a gig. I'm going to get
Speaker 1: Daniel to come and close the gig for me. He'll
Speaker 1: enjoy that. And so I text you and whats happened?
Speaker 1: I go, go, you'll come to this gig. You don't
Speaker 1: reply a guy? Of course you not the reply scared
Speaker 1: of stand up. So I keep replying again, only danking.
Speaker 1: I just meant for a drink. And then I go, oh,
Speaker 1: he hasn't replied to that. I don't think we've had
Speaker 1: a falling out, are we? It's he all right? And
Speaker 1: then I go, hey man, you're right, and a seriously,
Speaker 1: we don't have to see each other. Just check it
Speaker 1: in nowhere. And then I go, I've got Doctor Stray's
Speaker 1: Love with Nothing and I go naked sounds nothing, and
Speaker 1: I'm oh shit, I bet I go Team America nothing.
Speaker 1: So I'd come to round your house and bring a coffee.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm like. And there you are and
Speaker 1: you can't get in. So we're going to neighbors. I go,
Speaker 1: it's you have from down and they go, actually, there's
Speaker 1: a hole here, you can look for it and there's
Speaker 1: a hole from where you pulled out the benefitter, and
Speaker 1: we look through and there's you're rotting corpse, smelling delicious
Speaker 1: because of the chili. Kick down the door coming. It's
Speaker 1: a fucking mess, maggots, cockranes, kidney boxes. Less. I do
Speaker 1: what I can. The neighbor helps me. We chop up
Speaker 1: your body into loads of little pieces of chop it up,
Speaker 1: chop it up like a young And your neighbor says
Speaker 1: to me, do you know you always reminded me of
Speaker 1: And I go who They go Norman Bates, Yeah, similar bribe. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we bow you up with the chilly get you in
Speaker 1: the coffin. It's absolutely rammed. It's rammed, rammed in there,
Speaker 1: ram called anyone. I don't know. Just get it on
Speaker 1: with it, like you said, just do it otherwise they're
Speaker 1: going to procrastinate you. Right, So I'm that hardaway And
Speaker 1: there's only enough room in this coffee for me to
Speaker 1: slip one DVD into the side for you to take
Speaker 1: across to the other side. And on the other side
Speaker 1: it's movie night every night, movie night in christ night,
Speaker 1: and one night it's your movie night. What movie are
Speaker 1: you're taking to show? The people have heaven when it
Speaker 1: is your movie night in Christ Night Movies and Chris,
Speaker 1: which I'm going to take one of the greatest film
Speaker 1: musicals of all time South Park the movie Great, Great,
Speaker 1: great time. People aren't going to love you, Danny agree,
Speaker 1: what a pleasure? Is there anything you would like to
Speaker 1: tell people to look out for, to watch or to
Speaker 1: listen to of yours coming up? I would love to
Speaker 1: tell people, demand that people ask people to listen to
Speaker 1: Isaac Steel and the Forever Man, which I've written and
Speaker 1: I've narrated on Audible, which is available at the moment,
Speaker 1: And it's a sci fi comedy space Romp, which is
Speaker 1: a bit sort of murdery Detective e. It's a bit
Speaker 1: Blade on, a bit Alison Wonderland bit Sherlock Hitchhiker's Guide
Speaker 1: to the Galaxy. Yeah, it's a big mashup of loads
Speaker 1: of things that I love and I've worked ever ever
Speaker 1: so hard on it, and I love you to listen
Speaker 1: to it. Please to say I'm too desperate, Please please listen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's adable. Now, that's brilliant. And I'll
Speaker 1: say you will be seeing Daniel doing a gig with
Speaker 1: me scene. Yeah, I would. I would love that, Daniel Wigby,
Speaker 1: you are a pleasure. Thank you for being so it's
Speaker 1: being so brilliant. I hope you have a wonderful debt.
Speaker 1: Good day to you. Thank you. So that was episode
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty two. Head over to patreon dot
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Daniel for doing the show.
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Speaker 1: Buddy Piece for producing it. Thanks to ACAS fasting it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics at least allowed
Speaker 1: them for the photography. Come and join me next week
Speaker 1: for another brilliant guest. But that is it for now.
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Speaker 1: lovely week, and please, now more than ever, be excellent
Speaker 1: to each other.