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Speaker 1: Kevin and I we are on the same page. Started
Speaker 1: watching that intro with Kyle Stowers cueing us in, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, gotta think about on
Speaker 1: the editing side if I have to make some sort
Speaker 1: of tweaks to the intro by the time we have
Speaker 1: our next show. This is going to focus quite a
Speaker 1: bit on all things trade deadline related, twenty three hours
Speaker 1: away from the deadline itself, but we're also on the
Speaker 1: heels of a very compelling series win for the Marlins
Speaker 1: over the Mets. So thank you to everybody joining us
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Speaker 1: leave your comments, we'll pull them up. We'll answer as
Speaker 1: many questions as possible. We're gonna save some of the
Speaker 1: burning trade deadline rumors discussion for the second half of
Speaker 1: the show, just because those things keep evolving and we
Speaker 1: don't want to be too outdated. Just focus in on
Speaker 1: what we know so far and what we know so
Speaker 1: far is that the Marlins won a series against the Mets,
Speaker 1: including the last three games in a row, the last
Speaker 1: couple with myself and attendance. So we'll be relatively quick
Speaker 1: on this, Kevin. But just your main takeaways from this
Speaker 1: but not just this series, but I guess you could
Speaker 1: combining it with the Phillies one. They've won six out
Speaker 1: of seven games since it felt like the team was
Speaker 1: leaning towards being a seller, and they've played about as
Speaker 1: well as possible ever since then, including these last three
Speaker 1: where the pitching itself has especially stepped up. A shutout today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really good baseball from this team all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: looking like June again now that we're hearing early based
Speaker 1: on how they're performing.
Speaker 2: Peter Bendix maybe, and one of the toughest positions in baseball,
Speaker 2: because you looked at this team after the twelve game
Speaker 2: losing streak and and the position felt good. Right, You're
Speaker 2: gonna go into a spot where you're not gonna sell,
Speaker 2: particularly but you can't. You're not gonna buy either. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna buy Reynolds. You're not gonna go for Renolds.
Speaker 2: This week of Marlins baseball, you know, makes you even
Speaker 2: like for the fans. I really feel for fans because man,
Speaker 2: you're you're in such a weird spot.
Speaker 3: Peter is in such a weird spot.
Speaker 2: But this team played super well, Sandy with two great
Speaker 2: outings this week. Good today for the most part. Pitch
Speaker 2: count was a bit higher, so couldn't even get out
Speaker 2: of the seventh couldn't recording out in the seventh inning.
Speaker 3: Oh in that game. But Joe Mack.
Speaker 2: Continues to do his thing like this is this is fun.
Speaker 2: This is a fun team. This is a fun series
Speaker 2: for the Marlins, much needed after what happened in Queens
Speaker 2: the first time. And I think a big part of
Speaker 2: it too, Pete Fairbanks closing it out twice and it's
Speaker 2: just smoother and smoother each time, which is what they
Speaker 2: expected early on in the season. And you know one
Speaker 2: thing AJ was telling us on Fish and Filter and
Speaker 2: he said it multiple times, like Pete Fairbanks's safe situations
Speaker 2: hasn't necessarily been terrible.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Part of that is because.
Speaker 2: If it's been a substantial enough lead to where he
Speaker 2: doesn't totally blow it, he has blown games. But yeah, no, uh,
Speaker 2: he's starting to finally, I think execute the execution part
Speaker 2: of it is finally starting to kick in, and I think, Eli,
Speaker 2: you noted this, like his FIP is finally below five,
Speaker 2: so that's great.
Speaker 3: But no, it was a good it was a good serious.
Speaker 2: Overall offense was I think still lackluster, but I think
Speaker 2: he'll take the pitching and the way that they pitched,
Speaker 2: and you wrote about him today shout out Michael Peterson.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, like going in their bases loaded, no outs
Speaker 2: and to get out of it the way he did
Speaker 2: it was was really impressive. And that's I'm sure a
Speaker 2: name that's gonna be popping up in the next twenty
Speaker 2: less than twenty four Yeah, it's less than twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: twenty three hours until the trade deadline.
Speaker 3: So yeah, good series.
Speaker 2: Marls out just one game out, not all the games
Speaker 2: are over yet. I think they're about to be. Padres
Speaker 2: and Giants were sold out in a lout, which is
Speaker 2: a big game for the Marlins where you would like
Speaker 2: Louise Arrias and the Giants to make something happen. So yeah,
Speaker 2: they're still in a good spot. And I'm sure we'll
Speaker 2: talk about all the ramifications of how the deadline, could
Speaker 2: you know, do this and you know, change things up
Speaker 2: and position that they're in.
Speaker 1: Hey, he cued it in. We got to do a
Speaker 1: quick Michael Peterson segment, which was I was not expecting
Speaker 1: on this show, talking about the state of the Marlins
Speaker 1: and trade deadline and all these big things going on.
Speaker 1: He's such an important part of everything they're doing. I
Speaker 1: give you credit. I think you were sold on Peterson
Speaker 1: earlier in the year than I was. I still had
Speaker 1: my reservations until I would say, just the last few
Speaker 1: weeks when he's just continue to be graty. He survived
Speaker 1: that comeback or scare. Remember he missed a couple of
Speaker 1: games when once he got hit by a very sharp
Speaker 1: comebacker that was barely a week ago, and now he's
Speaker 1: back to normal again. But just for people that weren't
Speaker 1: watching today, like today was his masterpiece. This was his
Speaker 1: best work to this point. The fact that they were
Speaker 1: one nothing game in the seventh inning. Sandy goes out
Speaker 1: there for the seventh and he allows a couple of base
Speaker 1: runners to begin with second and third, nobody out. When
Speaker 1: Peterson comes in, he walks the lead off, got the
Speaker 1: first batter he faces to load the bases with nobody out,
Speaker 1: and then he wiggles out of it. Granted it was
Speaker 1: against some of the weaker hitters in the marrow in
Speaker 1: the Mets lineup, but he gets a strikeout, another strikeout,
Speaker 1: a grounder to leave it unscathed. He has now stranded
Speaker 1: twenty inherited runners out of twenty two, only two. I've
Speaker 1: scored on him all year long in those situations. He's
Speaker 1: become the go to guy. It's been to give you
Speaker 1: interesting compet's like Andrew Nardi in twenty twenty three for
Speaker 1: people that remember that, because I remember going through the
Speaker 1: same splits with Nardi when that was his first full
Speaker 1: major league season and he broke out in a very
Speaker 1: big way. That was where he really separated himself is
Speaker 1: with those inherited runners. And now Peterson is that guy
Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing this year, somebody that they
Speaker 1: claimed off waivers. I think two separate times. He's really
Speaker 1: bounced arounds. Essentially, he had no value in this league
Speaker 1: at this time less than a year ago, a guy
Speaker 1: that was barely, you know, in the situation to make
Speaker 1: the roster coming out of camp this year, he had
Speaker 1: to really pitch his ass off in spring training. I
Speaker 1: remember it was a storyline when he skipped the WBC
Speaker 1: just to focus on making the team. And now to me,
Speaker 1: he's been the most important reliever now that Bender has
Speaker 1: been injured. Fairbanks has been so inconsistent this year. Peterson
Speaker 1: is the one that they trust in all these different
Speaker 1: situations and the way that the win probability swung with
Speaker 1: him in the game, like from sixty five percent chance
Speaker 1: the Mets would win to twenty five percent chance in
Speaker 1: that one ending, just because he was able to wiggle
Speaker 1: out of it the way.
Speaker 3: That he did.
Speaker 1: And you kind of brought it up too though. At
Speaker 1: this time of year, the Marlins are listening on everybody,
Speaker 1: and for somebody like him, where his value has gone
Speaker 1: up so much from where it was a few months ago,
Speaker 1: they're going to get some sort of offers on him.
Speaker 1: I would think some sort of attention. That's something that
Speaker 1: the front office is always considering. And I spoke to
Speaker 1: him after the game today and just as like the
Speaker 1: parting comment, I said, what are you going to do
Speaker 1: tomorrow during deadline Day? And he said he's gonna maybe
Speaker 1: throw his phone in the water so that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have any chance to pay attention to it whatsoever. A
Speaker 1: very interesting guy at his feet too, and We hope
Speaker 1: that he has several more years left with the Marlins
Speaker 1: moving forward, because he's been a great story and important
Speaker 1: part of the team. So his presence was really felt today.
Speaker 1: A couple other things from the series as a whole.
Speaker 1: Sandy did pitch well for the vast majority of this
Speaker 1: game until that seventh inning. He gets his twelfth win
Speaker 1: of the season. They haven't been giving him much run
Speaker 1: support as of late, and yet he's still been able
Speaker 1: to with zero margin foreer, both in this game and
Speaker 1: at his previous start as well. That was a shoutout
Speaker 1: when earlier this week he's performing great. The contrast in
Speaker 1: his performance between now and where it was that the
Speaker 1: deadline last year is night and day. That's been awesome.
Speaker 1: And to me, they get Owen Casey back, that's so
Speaker 1: I guess let's talk about that briefly. He was reinstated
Speaker 1: on Saturday. He plays today, pretty quiet game from him overall,
Speaker 1: just the fact that they have him back now. And
Speaker 1: this is going to lead into some of the trade
Speaker 1: deadline discussion we have is the Marlins are really deep
Speaker 1: now and left handed hitters in particular. It's Kyle Stowers,
Speaker 1: it's Liam Hicks, it's Griffin co nine biggest of all,
Speaker 1: he's been the best one he's actually been on the
Speaker 1: field this season in terms of performance. And now it's
Speaker 1: Casey Back who's been You've been trying him pretty closely.
Speaker 1: The way that his hitting has improved steadily as the
Speaker 1: year has gone on, especially in June and July up
Speaker 1: until his injury. That's a good problem to have between
Speaker 1: all those guys that play some of the same positions,
Speaker 1: and then Jacob Marcy, another left handed hitter and the
Speaker 1: one that they can put in the center field on
Speaker 1: most days, and he's been coming around a little bit
Speaker 1: as of late two. That's kind of leading into why
Speaker 1: it is that these guys are attracting interests, why the
Speaker 1: Marlins are very openly listening on these hitters, is because
Speaker 1: it's a lot of overlap in their skill sets. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys that do things well but do some
Speaker 1: of the same things really well. And that's why we
Speaker 1: think that, you know, there's a solid chance that Marlins
Speaker 1: move off of one of them over these next twenty
Speaker 1: three hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, you look at the situation with
Speaker 2: Hicks and where he's at right now, and you know.
Speaker 3: You notice this too.
Speaker 2: The position player pool and the forty man roster believe
Speaker 2: is completely healthy for the first time all season all year,
Speaker 2: which is awesome to hear and great and it's good
Speaker 2: situation to have at the end of the day. But
Speaker 2: you're also in a position where you know that means
Speaker 2: that it's a lot less playing time to go around Hicks.
Speaker 2: You're a little bit it's a little complicated because you
Speaker 2: have Navaretto on the roster, and it's not not to
Speaker 2: slade an Avatta, but he's kind of like a like
Speaker 2: a nobody on the roster, kind of like you'll get
Speaker 2: in there, here and there, not a lot. He's like, yes, essentially,
Speaker 2: he's like the Rob Brantley of last year, but he's
Speaker 2: not affecting playing time.
Speaker 3: That's the issue that the guy that is.
Speaker 2: Kind of the the the one that's blocking others from
Speaker 2: playing time, specifically, like a co nine and a case
Speaker 2: and a burt I. Guess you could make the case
Speaker 2: it's it's Hicks because Stowers is not playing first base
Speaker 2: every day, so that's that's settled. Hicks is the one
Speaker 2: that's d hing every day because Joe Mack has just
Speaker 2: been so good behind the plate, and rightfully so that
Speaker 2: that's who you should be rolling out, And that's the
Speaker 2: Marrons putting a lot of confidence in Joe Mack, which
Speaker 2: is why they're dangling someone like a Hicks and trade
Speaker 2: in the trade market. So you trade Hicks, you open
Speaker 2: the DH spot to guys like a ConA and Casey
Speaker 2: Burt who could all play there and play the outfield,
Speaker 2: and you could still play Morris and Ruiz. It's it's
Speaker 2: a very interesting situation to have. But I think if
Speaker 2: you're Peter Bendix and you know you're the Marlins, this is.
Speaker 3: A great situation to have.
Speaker 2: This is exactly the situation I have, and and the
Speaker 2: way the catching markets playing out, where no catchers have
Speaker 2: been moved, Oh only Logan O Hoppy has been moved,
Speaker 2: and that was like what is now a seller and
Speaker 2: the Rangers, I mean, Hicks is probably the most valuable
Speaker 2: catcher out there because I don't think Shay Langley has
Speaker 2: has hurt Ryan Jeffers doesn't look like he's getting traded
Speaker 2: since the Twins are in a buying position, which they've
Speaker 2: already shown with two trades that they've made. So that's
Speaker 2: an interesting case. The Marlins really could probably get more
Speaker 2: for Hicks than then Stowers are sold because of the
Speaker 2: need for a catcher. But we're talking about this in
Speaker 2: our chat just before, where just comparing you know, Hicks
Speaker 2: and Stowers and the potential returns there. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: with Houston, you're looking at a different return for Stowers,
Speaker 2: guys who are maybe a little further out but will
Speaker 2: certainly help your farm system in the long run. And
Speaker 2: with Hicks, I would hope, you know, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, regardless of the return, I do hope
Speaker 2: that they would find a controllable starter or something that
Speaker 2: I hope they will do because I do think they
Speaker 2: need it regardless of the gud's returning.
Speaker 3: But they're still uncertainty next year. But no, Casey great
Speaker 3: to have back.
Speaker 2: He is two months stretch in June and July have
Speaker 2: been awesome. Unfortunately it was derailed by the injury. But
Speaker 2: I know who's in the lineup today. He played, didn't
Speaker 2: do much, but he'll be I think just got to
Speaker 2: give him some time to get things going. And this
Speaker 2: is a big series coming up, regardless of what the
Speaker 2: Marlins do to the deadline, because they're.
Speaker 3: In a good spot.
Speaker 2: It's a division where it's a division rival, and to
Speaker 2: say the least, the Marlins are on a spot where
Speaker 2: now they're kind of neck and neck with the Phillies
Speaker 2: for that number two spot in the MLE East, and
Speaker 2: you could be seeing a case. I don't know exactly
Speaker 2: what the division looks like right now about who knows.
Speaker 1: Hmm. Yeah, something that kind of jumps out to me.
Speaker 1: Something I want to emphasize is that regardless of exactly
Speaker 1: what they do at the deadline, just based on performance,
Speaker 1: this is a team that is going to be competing
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. It's it's a question, but
Speaker 1: you know how many resources they allocate towards building out
Speaker 1: the roster the rest of the season. But this is
Speaker 1: a team that is good enough to stay in the
Speaker 1: raids for the rest of the year as long as
Speaker 1: they don't sell off everybody, which we don't anticipate. We
Speaker 1: think they're going to be selective. They're going to listen
Speaker 1: offers on these significant players and might end up trading
Speaker 1: one or two guys that are a big piece of
Speaker 1: the roster. I know earlier, say you predicted that Liam
Speaker 1: Hicks and Xavier Edwards could be to those guys to go.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're going to get into that in a moment.
Speaker 1: What I wanted to cover first is some trades that
Speaker 1: have already been made around the league that may have
Speaker 1: caught your attention for one reason or another, Ones that
Speaker 1: may impact the Marlins from some aspect, or ones that
Speaker 1: you just find out that are somewhat interesting. So I
Speaker 1: have this trade tracker from men only trade rumors that
Speaker 1: I'll scroll through and you can just stop me when
Speaker 1: something catches your eye on here. But deals that have
Speaker 1: already happened around stop to some extent, A lot of
Speaker 1: these just over the last twenty four hours or so,
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess we'll skip ahead to the Trek
Speaker 1: skoobl one just to be and with school. Well, this
Speaker 1: is a guy the as we kind of emphasize, he's
Speaker 1: the grand prize of this deadline, the crown Jewel. He
Speaker 1: was always going to be the biggest name to move
Speaker 1: at this deadline, and the Tigers pull the trigger. They
Speaker 1: send him to the two time defending champ Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Dodgers for a three player package highlighted by Zaire Hope
Speaker 1: and outfield prospect in River Ryan, who is one of
Speaker 1: the oldest pitching prospects. He is the oldest like pitching
Speaker 1: quote prospect in baseball, a guy that is exceptionally talented
Speaker 1: but actually pretty deep into his twenties and just didn't
Speaker 1: have room in that Dodgers rotation. So I guess your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that first, even though this is a guy that,
Speaker 1: of course the Marlins were never going to be in on,
Speaker 1: but just the facts as a baseball fan that has
Speaker 1: been falling across the league, and the fact that the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: it's just they do this every year getting but just
Speaker 1: when you think that they are deep enough and talented enough,
Speaker 1: as they are have enough star power, they just have
Speaker 1: these limited, seemingly limitless amounts of resources in terms of
Speaker 1: both the money they can spend it in the prospect
Speaker 1: capital because they're so good at like building up their
Speaker 1: farm system again that they end up making what the
Speaker 1: Tigers felt was the best bid on Schooble. So I
Speaker 1: do you think how much Not now a question of
Speaker 1: whether the Adgers are World Series favorites now, but I
Speaker 1: guess how much of a favorite do you think they
Speaker 1: are now over every other team now that they added
Speaker 1: him to a team that itself was already running away
Speaker 1: with the NL West.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean This is such a They really did
Speaker 2: not need Derek School when you think about it. They
Speaker 2: have guys coming back from injuries. Well, Tani, at some
Speaker 2: point we'll probably pitch again. You have like Snell Tyler Glass. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean they've got guys. Like to say that they've
Speaker 2: got guys, They've got guys. They already have Yamamoto in
Speaker 2: the rotation. Shehan's still there. I yeah, No, this is
Speaker 2: just like the cherry on the top at this point,
Speaker 2: but it's a very big cherry on the top because
Speaker 2: this is the best pitcher in baseball.
Speaker 3: You can make the case.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to make his first start I think on
Speaker 2: Tuesday against the Cubs and Wrigley, so that'll be interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when you look at the package, though, it's
Speaker 2: a little underwhelming in my opinion, like the actual package itself.
Speaker 2: Now it needs to be noted this is for Trek Schooble,
Speaker 2: who is a rental. So there's the factor of, hey,
Speaker 2: School is the best pitcher in baseball, but you're also
Speaker 2: trading for a rental. So you know, La wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: give up much in Detroit despite asking for so much.
Speaker 2: Had to meet somewhere in the middle I feel like
Speaker 2: you look at this package, and a lot of teams
Speaker 2: could have matched this. In fact, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of teams could have even given a better package. But
Speaker 2: I think the big difference between the Dodgers and the
Speaker 2: other teams is that, unfortunately, and this is the part
Speaker 2: of a bigger scale thing where we'll talk about the
Speaker 2: lockout and all this stuff, the Dodgers are probably the
Speaker 2: only team out of the ones that were in contention
Speaker 2: to get Schooble that could probably re sign him if
Speaker 2: they wanted to after the season, right to a big contract.
Speaker 2: The Rays were never gonna resign him, The Brewers were
Speaker 2: never gonna resign and I'm assuming the Brewers were gonna
Speaker 2: have to give up like Ajesus made and the Rays
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to give up like a Theo Gillen
Speaker 2: who's their top prospect. So it's not worth it for
Speaker 2: those teams to give up those I obviously they could
Speaker 2: have in the long run and potentially even lock up
Speaker 2: to a more affordable deal, you know, in terms of
Speaker 2: an extension for a guy like Derek Scouogle, who will
Speaker 2: be there for half a season and who knows if
Speaker 2: he blows out his arm, in the second start. He
Speaker 2: already had some injury scares early on in the season,
Speaker 2: or actually not a scary, he had a legit injury.
Speaker 2: They kept them out for quite a bit, so you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's a difference. It's a tough situation. I would
Speaker 2: of love to see him on the rais but hey,
Speaker 2: the Rays went out and got Freddy Peralta. I know
Speaker 2: he struggled this season, but maybe the change of senior
Speaker 2: could help him. And well, the Brewers still need a pitcher,
Speaker 2: so we'll see what happens there. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, like you look at this like it
Speaker 2: definitely like just give the World Series trophy. But the
Speaker 2: Blue Jays took the Dodgers to seven games and extra
Speaker 2: innings of the World Series, So it makes me think
Speaker 2: that maybe, just maybe the Dodgers won't win it all
Speaker 2: and you know they're gonna go for a three repeat,
Speaker 2: and rightfully so they At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you can talk about the money spending, you could talk
Speaker 2: about all that, but the Dodgers develop, and that's one
Speaker 2: of the things too. They aren't buying these prospects. I
Speaker 2: can promise you that they're they're drafting them like everyone else.
Speaker 2: They're going into the international market like everyone else, and
Speaker 2: they just have a better development system and a lot
Speaker 2: of their team, although is bought by free agency, they
Speaker 2: do have guys that they have developed themselves. Pa Has
Speaker 2: they had to go Vargus who they ended up trading.
Speaker 2: You know, you have Will Smith, who I believe they
Speaker 2: they got themselves. It's like they are guys that you know,
Speaker 2: are on that team that they developed, and part of
Speaker 2: that package was those type of players. So they're just
Speaker 2: gonna dish them out for a guy like School who's
Speaker 2: really good. So unfortunately this isn't very good for the
Speaker 2: lockout because now probably this is a big example as
Speaker 2: to why big market teams continue to run the markets
Speaker 2: like they have. But it's a big trade and the
Speaker 2: Dodgers got a lot better.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, well there's just a few more minutes pressing
Speaker 1: through some of the trades that ever made. So Freddy Peralta,
Speaker 1: another rental starting pitcher, get moved by the Mets for
Speaker 1: three prospects to.
Speaker 3: See him on hug Watch. You got to see him
Speaker 3: on hug Watch, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to pitch against the Marlins earlier in
Speaker 1: this past series and got scratched because the trade interest
Speaker 1: was picking up. Yeah, aside from that, not too many
Speaker 1: blockbusters to this point or huge names we saw. I
Speaker 1: guess the next biggest one was the Yankees acquiring Luis
Speaker 1: Garcia Junior from the Nats for a four player package.
Speaker 1: That a lot of quantity, definitely a quantity over quality
Speaker 1: type of deal. There another player that, despite being just
Speaker 1: in his mid twenties, he's surprisingly close to free agency,
Speaker 1: having an amazing year career year for the Nats, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess my main takeaway from that is this is
Speaker 1: a nat scene that already traded Curtis Mead just the
Speaker 1: week before to Austin. We'll see if they end up
Speaker 1: making any sort of interesting additions between now and the deadline,
Speaker 1: but this is a team I think they did lose
Speaker 1: again today where it was it spreads a lot of
Speaker 1: people that they were even in contention this deep into
Speaker 1: the season, but now three games under five hundred, so
Speaker 1: three games back of the Marlins and four and a
Speaker 1: half back of a wild card spot. In the fact
Speaker 1: that they were willing to make this trade Kevin for
Speaker 1: mostly prospects. Prospects is a low leverage reliever in Jake Bird.
Speaker 1: I think that signals that this is a team that's
Speaker 1: not going to be pushing too hard in this race,
Speaker 1: that this is one of those teams that as it
Speaker 1: got closer to decision time that maybe they do have
Speaker 1: enough star power on the offensive side to like keep
Speaker 1: things going. But this has been such a crowded and
Speaker 1: l wild card race, and it looks like that is
Speaker 1: one of the teams that has faded just enough so
Speaker 1: that the Marlins it's a less less competitive field for
Speaker 1: the Marlins if they're actually gonna stick in this race.
Speaker 1: Now that the Nats have come back down to Earth,
Speaker 1: you could say.
Speaker 2: They'll come back down to Earth, but it kind of
Speaker 2: it's kind of like what the Marlins are gonna try
Speaker 2: to do with Hicks, right, You're gonna try to trade
Speaker 2: a position player. You know, this was another different type
Speaker 2: of prospect package. The Yankee system, in my opinion, is
Speaker 2: not the best and clearly, you know, it shows what
Speaker 2: the package the prospect package, and they had to include
Speaker 2: Jake Burden there to get the stun I was probably
Speaker 2: just a throw in to maybe change the seniory type
Speaker 2: of guy, who, by the way, was part of that
Speaker 2: first game after the deadline that the Marlins ended up
Speaker 2: coming back from beating the Yankees. He was part of
Speaker 2: the blow up and he got sent down a triple
Speaker 2: A the next day. But yeah, no, this was an
Speaker 2: interesting deal because it's also them taking advantage of Louis
Speaker 2: Garcia's peak. I mean, Louis Garcia never put up this
Speaker 2: type of a season, and the Yankees needed a first
Speaker 2: baseman and Garcia is that type of guy who could
Speaker 2: help him. I believe he's under club control up until
Speaker 2: after the twenty twenty seventh season, that maybe when he
Speaker 2: hits free agency in twenty eight so it's a good deal.
Speaker 2: They'll have him for another year and it's probably better
Speaker 2: ballpark for him. It's a more hitter friendly option ballpark
Speaker 2: for Garcia. And he was a long time that too,
Speaker 2: So that was that was definitely I guess not He's
Speaker 2: not the Marlins clar by any means, but you know,
Speaker 2: he was a guy who was in the division for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 3: The Marlins were very familiar with him, and he's now
Speaker 3: off to the Bronx.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show f LEF Live Here Elis
Speaker 1: Susman Kevin Burrall talking about where the Marlins stands on
Speaker 1: the eve of the deadline. An early heads up that
Speaker 1: we will have another stream on deadline day itself starting
Speaker 1: at five Eastern, an hour before the deadline, going up
Speaker 1: right through the deadline, so that will be very entertaining
Speaker 1: actually summing up what the end up doing counting down
Speaker 1: to the deadline itself on the Marlin's off day. But
Speaker 1: what we know so far, Isaac's reporting has summed it
Speaker 1: up quite a bit from earlier today. The time stamp
Speaker 1: is always very important because these things change quickly. But
Speaker 1: from Isaacazoo to upfish on first about how the Kyle
Speaker 1: Stowers reports that we've seen aren't surprising. The Marlins have
Speaker 1: indicated that they'll listen on most of their roster and
Speaker 1: have an abundance of left handed bats, something we touched
Speaker 1: on earlier, and that with Casey being back healthy again
Speaker 1: that means tours is potentially expendable I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would use that word myself, but Isaac confirming that
Speaker 1: they are having multiple conversations about Liam Hicks. Some names
Speaker 1: that have come out from other reports, including the Athletic
Speaker 1: is that the Boston Red Sox Tampa Bay Rays are
Speaker 1: in on hit. So, yeah, Kevin, what is a Let's
Speaker 1: start with Hicks first, because we've already given a lot
Speaker 1: of attention, and I know you've formed some opinions yourselves
Speaker 1: about him and where he might go. And at this
Speaker 1: point do you think it's how likely do you think
Speaker 1: it is at the end of finding a deal for Hicks,
Speaker 1: even with all these years of control ahead, even with
Speaker 1: how cheap he is. Yeah, now that they're specific teams involved,
Speaker 1: and that we're getting right down to it, what was
Speaker 1: your good feeling on whether it's gonna happen or not.
Speaker 2: I personally think Hicks is on the move. It's just
Speaker 2: it's one of those situations where we were talking about,
Speaker 2: you know, trading players at their peak value. You would
Speaker 2: be trading Hicks at his peak value. You know, this
Speaker 2: is a guy who, despite playing a lot of the
Speaker 2: agent first base, still can catch, and he catches here
Speaker 2: and there. I think he caught in this Mets series
Speaker 2: at least once. But he's not gonna have an opportunity
Speaker 2: to do that here in Miami. And there's teams that
Speaker 2: need catching, regardless if I put it, they need catching,
Speaker 2: Boston needs catching, Tampa needs catching, the White Sox need catching.
Speaker 2: There's teams that he could go to where he would
Speaker 2: probably be probably be more valuable at least on the
Speaker 2: defensive side of things to those teams rather than the Marlins.
Speaker 2: And the Marlins have an abundance of position players that
Speaker 2: could slot into that spot. You have Sotours, you have
Speaker 2: Casey Conine, and the minor leagues. You have Cam Canerella,
Speaker 2: you have Camp Balderman. You have guys that are gonna
Speaker 2: be able to slot into those position player spots regardless of.
Speaker 3: How it comes to be.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to a replacement, Stowers is already
Speaker 2: playing first Camp Balderman could get called up at some
Speaker 2: point to play some first base. You also play in
Speaker 2: the outfield. And they're in a good spot. I mean,
Speaker 2: Conin and Casey have been really good. Conine, especially coming
Speaker 2: out of the All Starberry because practically carried this line
Speaker 2: up and been one of the more clutch guys so
Speaker 2: I think trading Kicks is the best option here. If
Speaker 2: you don't get the right package, for example, you just
Speaker 2: leave this to the offseason, because regardless that they could
Speaker 2: still make this work. But I think the right thing
Speaker 2: right now would be two trade Hicks if if you
Speaker 2: get a good offer, I would love for them to
Speaker 2: trade for like a controllable starting pitcher. I've pounded on
Speaker 2: that for a while. I've made that very clear. Well
Speaker 2: would happened unlikely, But this does feel like one of
Speaker 2: those trade deadlines where you could see a lot of
Speaker 2: major leagua from Major League of trades, and that's been
Speaker 2: the wide reporting from many people. Ken Rosenthal, who said
Speaker 2: it on Fout Territory jeffassing This said, like a lot
Speaker 2: of people said major league for major league trades could happen.
Speaker 2: I wish that the Mordins would do that with Hicks.
Speaker 2: I feel like that that's unlikely, knowing Peter in the
Speaker 2: way that he operates, and they could all they feel
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of guys in double and TRIPA
Speaker 2: that are knocking on the door, and if that's how
Speaker 2: they feel, they really don't need that. I wish they
Speaker 2: would have addressed the starting pitching because smiling probably gonna
Speaker 2: be on an inning's limit next season. Thomas White, you
Speaker 2: don't know what you're gonna get from him. You don't
Speaker 2: even know if you'll get called up early on major
Speaker 2: innings limit. I mean Max Meyer, who knows when he's
Speaker 2: coming back. It seems like September we haven't heard anything
Speaker 2: about him. So at this point it's just a matter of, Hey,
Speaker 2: like you probably need a starter with multiple years of control.
Speaker 2: Boston is a team that's in there for Hicks. I
Speaker 2: would have loved the guy like Peyton Toley.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think that will happen. I think it's unlikely.
Speaker 3: I wrote about it.
Speaker 2: Boston is in a position where they don't have a
Speaker 2: lot of starting pitching depth to begin with, and they
Speaker 2: already traded a starting pitcher away I believe, so they
Speaker 2: don't need to trade. They don't need to do that
Speaker 2: right now. And Totally is a guy who they have
Speaker 2: for I believe a couple more years of control. So
Speaker 2: but it is a left tended option. It's a guy
Speaker 2: who could, you know, give you a different look every
Speaker 2: fifth day when I was rolling out a full right
Speaker 2: handed starting rotation. Totally would be a different look for sure,
Speaker 2: that could help. But yeah, the Morns also needs starting pitching.
Speaker 2: I mean, Junk, Gusta, and Phillips just aren't the answers
Speaker 2: right now in my opinion. I don't think Junk has
Speaker 2: done enough to remain a starter. Gusto clearly is not
Speaker 2: the best option, and I think Tyler Phillips, despite holding
Speaker 2: down that spot, you know, for the most part fine,
Speaker 2: I think, would just be a better fit as a
Speaker 2: high leverage reliever.
Speaker 3: So I think Higgs should be the guy to go.
Speaker 2: Not saying that he is a bad player and the
Speaker 2: Bombs don't need him, They clearly do need him. He'd
Speaker 2: be a good piece to keep. But if you have
Speaker 2: to choose between Stoars and Hicks, who'd probably garner the
Speaker 2: better return and who is just going to open things
Speaker 2: up a little more for the current state of the roster,
Speaker 2: Hicks is that guy?
Speaker 1: Mm Oh yes. So I think we've had some echo
Speaker 1: issues on the stream the last few times, and I
Speaker 1: think we still do. That just popped up right in
Speaker 1: the middle of the show. So I think I gotta
Speaker 1: keep Kevin muted every time that I talk. No offense
Speaker 1: to you is the streaming software that we're using just
Speaker 1: to fall up on Hicks a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: the question about whether why now potentially dealing in with
Speaker 1: four and a half years of control still to go,
Speaker 1: when he's still so affordable. Part of it is the
Speaker 1: positional fit on the team, where it's just that he's
Speaker 1: a lot less valuable if he's to be clear, even
Speaker 1: though we started playing first base earlier in the year,
Speaker 1: as of late, he's a DH. He's a DH that
Speaker 1: occasionally pitches in at first base and catcher. He's almost very,
Speaker 1: very heavily used at DH in a way where the
Speaker 1: threshold for what you need to do as a hitter
Speaker 1: to justify that is just so high in a way
Speaker 1: that he reaches that threshold because he's such a good
Speaker 1: contact hitter, because he's very disciplined, he uses the whole field,
Speaker 1: and because he has a little bit more power this
Speaker 1: year than he had last year. That being said, it
Speaker 1: just makes him less valuable to the Marlins than he
Speaker 1: does to other teams as well. And it's also the
Speaker 1: angle that two months is still could be a reasonably
Speaker 1: large sample size. A lot can change in a couple
Speaker 1: of months, and just personally, I don't know how the
Speaker 1: Marlins feel themselves. I suspect they kind of feel similarly
Speaker 1: that I don't necessarily trust him to perform well the
Speaker 1: last next couple of months. I feel like his value
Speaker 1: if you already feel that he's not a easy fit
Speaker 1: with what you currently have, and you have so many
Speaker 1: other pieces with comparable skill sets, all these other left
Speaker 1: handed hitters that we touched on who do and there's
Speaker 1: any reason to think that he might regress a bit
Speaker 1: the next two months, then it's a significant difference in
Speaker 1: terms of what you could get now versus what you
Speaker 1: could get a couple of months from now. If down
Speaker 1: the show he only hits two or three homers all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he doesn't have as much luck on
Speaker 1: balls and play, and if he in limited action as
Speaker 1: a catcher, if he doesn't perform well defensively, which is
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it, too, that if you
Speaker 1: don't catch particularly often, that it's hard to be consistent
Speaker 1: with that. I don't think they're putting it in a
Speaker 1: position to be successful defensively because they're prioritizing Knack over
Speaker 1: him understandably, so, so I think that's kind of part
Speaker 1: of the reason why they might do it now because
Speaker 1: it's already such a win for the organization how much
Speaker 1: he's improved from where he was a Rule five draft pick.
Speaker 1: I like to frame it this way. I don't think
Speaker 1: people really sinks in with people. A Rule five draft
Speaker 1: pick is a glorified waiver claim.
Speaker 3: That's all it is.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that didn't make the roster of his
Speaker 1: previous team that you get for one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: you get for a one month's salary. That's the cost
Speaker 1: to claim him, like they got him for nothing, and
Speaker 1: he's turned into this and through no fault of his own.
Speaker 1: That's kind of why he's in these rumors, is because
Speaker 1: he could be very valuable to a lot of other teams,
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that are more needy for catchers,
Speaker 1: that are willing to use him as if not their
Speaker 1: primary catcher, then something close to an even split with
Speaker 1: another catcher, like when he's in that position, then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, what he does as a hitter is
Speaker 1: more than enough to make him an important player on
Speaker 1: those teams. So I wouldn't say that he has to go,
Speaker 1: But because ultimately depends on the specifics of these offers,
Speaker 1: we're still trying to get a clear idea in terms
Speaker 1: of what those specifics might be. It's just that's why,
Speaker 1: despite having so many years of control, even though he's
Speaker 1: really usually don't see guys like this get traded at
Speaker 1: the deadline. I feel he could be an exception just
Speaker 1: for those reasons. Aside from that, I guess we'll go
Speaker 1: on to Stours a little bit and show off this
Speaker 1: edit that you made in an Astros uniform. Yeah, go
Speaker 1: ahead and speak on where we are with Stowers Kevin,
Speaker 1: because this is a name that we knew they would
Speaker 1: be open minded, but wasn't top of minds until these
Speaker 1: rumors broke earlier today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting situation with Stours because I
Speaker 2: think the big thing to note here before we even
Speaker 2: talked about the Sturs stuff, is they're not trading both.
Speaker 2: I would be absolutely stunned if they trade Stours and
Speaker 2: Hicks that that's not gonna happen. I believe that they
Speaker 2: will trade one or the other. I believe right now
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of who gives you the better return,
Speaker 2: Stours or Hicks, Because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: if Stowurs gets traded, Hicks is the first baseman moving forward,
Speaker 2: and that's it. You know, you could call up Gus
Speaker 2: and he would catch and here and there, not a lot,
Speaker 2: and Novi's just there that that's what it would be
Speaker 2: if you trade Hicks. Obviously already spoke about what that means.
Speaker 2: And I think regardless if if you trade Stours, that
Speaker 2: opens up the DH spot as well, because Hicks would
Speaker 2: be your first baseman. So so that's that's that they're
Speaker 2: not trading both expect only one of them to get moved.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think we saw this, and something to note is
Speaker 2: that Houston doesn't seem like they want to trade from
Speaker 2: their big league roster. I think there was a report
Speaker 2: earlier either this week or last week that the Twins
Speaker 2: try to had to deal with the Astros for reliever
Speaker 2: Brian A. Brave and the owner Jim Crane Knicks to trade.
Speaker 2: He said no, he doesn't want to trade from the
Speaker 2: big league roster. So for anyone trying to say that
Speaker 2: the Marrows are gonna go after camp Smith, which would
Speaker 2: be a fair assumption to make, given that is the
Speaker 2: guy they wanted to draft in the twenty twenty four draft,
Speaker 2: and he would not. He's only twenty three cyl under
Speaker 2: plenty of club control, it would it would have been
Speaker 2: the right guy to go after. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen. I don't see that happening. I think
Speaker 2: if the look at their farm system, it's it's one
Speaker 2: of the worst in baseball, regardless of the type of prospects.
Speaker 3: That they have there.
Speaker 2: It's twenty six in baseball according to Baseball America. So
Speaker 2: am I still there? Okay, I'm here. Yeah, you're muted,
Speaker 2: but it's okay. Yeah, they have Xavier Kneans, Kevin Alvarez,
Speaker 2: Logan Hughes, They've got guys Ethan Pecco, Lucas Spence, who
Speaker 2: I know. I think that is the guy that Tyler
Speaker 2: Phillips said he had no clue who he was, so
Speaker 2: that would be quite the trade if they get that
Speaker 2: guy on the Marls. Tyler Phillips will now know who
Speaker 2: that is. But yeah, there are there are prospects. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're guys that they could definitely make the trade for.
Speaker 2: And definitely the Marls do need to add some younger talent.
Speaker 2: I mean, currently there are guys, but there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of talent at that level. That will change now
Speaker 2: with the draftees going in there and beginning their playing
Speaker 2: career their pro careers soon. But they could always add
Speaker 2: more and Stours would certainly. I guess the ASTROSK farm
Speaker 2: system is the epitome of guys who aren't exactly ready,
Speaker 2: but you know, have talent. So they could get some
Speaker 2: guys from there and just hope that you know, what
Speaker 2: they have already in double and triple A will certainly
Speaker 2: help them in the future. So it's an interesting situation
Speaker 2: with Stowers, who's your All Star last season, certainly add
Speaker 2: some power to the lineup. Got off to a slow
Speaker 2: start this season, but overall has had a good year
Speaker 2: and he's well on his way to I think a
Speaker 2: twenty homer season.
Speaker 1: Just to address this question about the Astros and what
Speaker 1: they have is a pharmacist them that I think across
Speaker 1: the board is in the bottom third of baseball in
Speaker 1: terms of talents, and that might even be generous. I
Speaker 1: think that they're twenty six on the Baseball America right now,
Speaker 1: as best as they can rank it. Just to share
Speaker 1: some names of interest from our prospects guru from Alex
Speaker 1: Carver that stood out potentially from that organization. Who do
Speaker 1: we have that kind of draws interests that even if
Speaker 1: Cam Smith is off limits because he's on the big
Speaker 1: league rosterm because he's ready, might be uh oh, they've
Speaker 1: Exavier Nions. I forgot that even though had pronounce his name,
Speaker 1: but he was their first round pick relatively recently. And
Speaker 1: Jogger Beck seems good too. That's from Alex Carver. So
Speaker 1: between Nions and Beck, maybe you put something together that
Speaker 1: makes sense. But I don't think there's a headliner there
Speaker 1: that I would love for Stours you touched on before.
Speaker 1: I think there's some interesting variance and opinion on here
Speaker 1: in terms of whether Hicks or Stowers would bring back
Speaker 1: more in return. Stowars, of course has his one monster
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty five, and then this year it's
Speaker 1: been It's started off extremely slow and now he's off
Speaker 1: to He's in a really good spot right now. But
Speaker 1: overall the production is good but nothing special. And Hicks
Speaker 1: this particular season, you would say he's outperformed him as
Speaker 1: an overall player by a little bit, even though he's
Speaker 1: now very steadily coming back down to earth himself. Hicks
Speaker 1: has an additional year of control. He's going to be
Speaker 1: a lot cheaper next year as Stowars finally enters arbitration.
Speaker 1: They're about the same age. Stowars is a year older,
Speaker 1: or so a year and a half. To me, I
Speaker 1: still think Stowars is more valuable if you look under
Speaker 1: the hood with him. The fact that he is a
Speaker 1: guy that has so much power that that is something
Speaker 1: that seems value more than contactability. And both of them
Speaker 1: have decent discipline. I'd say Hicks has slightly better played discipline,
Speaker 1: but the fact that Stowars has power to all fields.
Speaker 1: Hicks is very dependent on polling balls over the fence
Speaker 1: for home runs. Even though Hicks has improved as an
Speaker 1: overall hitter, I think Stowers upside is still a lot
Speaker 1: more tantilizing to these teams. And the fact that he
Speaker 1: has even know he's not a great defender anywhere either,
Speaker 1: he's fine in the corner of outlefield spots, and he
Speaker 1: is I think I'd say he's fine so far as
Speaker 1: the first baseman as well. So it's it's interesting how
Speaker 1: you weigh that. Because Hicks being a catcher, that's valuable
Speaker 1: in itself, but there's a reason why he's being bumped
Speaker 1: off of out of the Marlins long term plans, and
Speaker 1: that's because defensively he's below average for that position and
Speaker 1: significantly inferior to what they have in house with Joe Mack.
Speaker 1: So I would still think that Stours, if he is
Speaker 1: Delty's the one that brings back more and but I
Speaker 1: don't think now is the right time to deal him again.
Speaker 1: I feel that the power that he has to all
Speaker 1: fields and the upside he has when he's going well,
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot more difficult to replace for
Speaker 1: this Marlins team. So even though there are some things
Speaker 1: in common between him and there is that you could say,
Speaker 1: a surplus of left handed hitters, to me, I think
Speaker 1: he's the one that's more important to keep, maybe not extend.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not on board with necessarily buying him
Speaker 1: out too deep into his thirties, But I think for
Speaker 1: the rest of this season and for twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: Sturs is the one that I think I'd rather have.
Speaker 1: So where are you on that? Between those two?
Speaker 2: I agree Stours that's I think we keep just more
Speaker 2: valuable over all. In terms of the play at first base,
Speaker 2: I know people think it's not been very good. I
Speaker 2: think the eye test would say it's been actually decent.
Speaker 2: He's held up at least for a guy who's never
Speaker 2: played there. It's much better than I would have anticipated
Speaker 2: to begin with. And again, I just think this is
Speaker 2: the right time to trade Hicks. This is where his
Speaker 2: value is best. This is where teams are gonna overpay
Speaker 2: for someone like Hicks because they know they need catching
Speaker 2: and they know someone like Hicks could help you. I
Speaker 2: would honestly even go on to say that Hicks would
Speaker 2: be a good fit for the Astros.
Speaker 3: They need to catch. Help that catching.
Speaker 2: They have some of the worst offensive production in baseball
Speaker 2: when it comes to the catching position. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you kept this, and when you were editing the article,
Speaker 2: I had even mentioned the Phillies as an option. They
Speaker 2: have the second worst production at catching offensive catching production
Speaker 2: in baseball. If a team like the Phillies were to
Speaker 2: go on and say, hey, we're gonna overpay for Hicks,
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's a division rival, but I don't
Speaker 2: care you make it. You don't play your division rival
Speaker 2: as often as you do. You know, two years ago,
Speaker 2: so it's a different situation now. On intradivision trades are
Speaker 2: still a little bit more common than usual. But I
Speaker 2: think I think Hicks is the right got to move
Speaker 2: in terms of just who you want to keep. And
Speaker 2: I know Star Wars could potentially give you the better return,
Speaker 2: but I think Hicks is the guy you move just
Speaker 2: with the years of control, how cheap he is, and
Speaker 2: and the Marls seem to want to keep Stoars just
Speaker 2: in the sense where, hey, they tried to extend this guy,
Speaker 2: and maybe they tried to do that and now they're
Speaker 2: just open to moving him. But I think Hicks is
Speaker 2: who you move in Stoars is who you end up keeping,
Speaker 2: and I think that's just more likely in general to happen.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to Star Wars, I mean one
Speaker 1: other separator I think is there is some intangible quality
Speaker 1: to it, Like Star Wars has this really innate leadership ability,
Speaker 1: Like he is a guy that despite having two experience
Speaker 1: at the big league level, this is a clubhouse where
Speaker 1: really none of the hitters are all that experience, and
Speaker 1: he I just think that he really speaks well for
Speaker 1: the rest of the organization and kind of sets the tone.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that has put a lot of work
Speaker 1: in kind of the mental aspect of the game, and
Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of wisdom relative to
Speaker 1: his lack of experience when it comes to that in
Speaker 1: a way that the team values. So if people were
Speaker 1: kind of confused about why he was in extension talks
Speaker 1: in the first place, despite being under control through age
Speaker 1: thirty one already, and despite the inconsistency in his track record,
Speaker 1: especially prior to twenty twenty five, I think that stuff
Speaker 1: matters too. So that's nothing against Hicks. That's just an
Speaker 1: asset that Stalwarts has that this team might value. When
Speaker 1: you talk about Hicks being a little less valuable to
Speaker 1: the Marlins, they might be to other organizations. This is
Speaker 1: an area where star Warts just might be a little
Speaker 1: more valuable to the Marlins and elsewhere because he just
Speaker 1: fits really well with their culture, with the way that
Speaker 1: they analyze everything. He's just been really on board to
Speaker 1: making a lot of adjustments in his games and really
Speaker 1: interpreting the data and what it says about how we
Speaker 1: can improve and un lots the best version of himself.
Speaker 1: It's just him him being such a great fit for
Speaker 1: this organization. I think that's one of those other factors
Speaker 1: that goes into it why they would be a little
Speaker 1: reluctant to move him unless they get really overwhelmed by
Speaker 1: the Astros or another team. Aside from that, I guess
Speaker 1: we should touch quickly on Fairbanks. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: been any particular rumors with him, but he's the one
Speaker 1: pending free agent on this team. He's the one guy
Speaker 1: that is he's gonna be gone after the season. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna get anything in return if you hold on
Speaker 1: to him through the season and he's performed just well enough.
Speaker 1: You touched on it earlier that he has been so
Speaker 1: good as of late, five straight scoreless appearances, four the
Speaker 1: more perfect until today. Today there's a little bit more suspense,
Speaker 1: but he still gets through a scoreless ending for another save,
Speaker 1: So seventeen saves overall heading into the deadline for him,
Speaker 1: and the underlying strikeout rate is actually above his career average,
Speaker 1: even though he's been inconsistent. I don't know, is there
Speaker 1: any particular team in mind, Kevin, that you think would
Speaker 1: go for Fairbanks understanding that the return is not going
Speaker 1: to be too big. But if the Marlins do eat
Speaker 1: all the money that is owed to him given his
Speaker 1: track cuck or give him his recent performance, he's he's
Speaker 1: surprised me. A couple of weeks ago. I didn't think
Speaker 1: there was any hope to actually salvaging a trade. But
Speaker 1: even maybe there's a team that looks at him more
Speaker 1: as a setup guy and is not necessarily relying on
Speaker 1: him to be a closer, that he still has something
Speaker 1: to contribute to a team that's trying to contend.
Speaker 3: I guess you could just go back to Tampa.
Speaker 2: Like if Peter wanted to be a guy who just
Speaker 2: tells me, Hey, where do you want to go, he
Speaker 2: would probably go back to Tampa. And you get a
Speaker 2: low end, top thirty guy in their system and you
Speaker 2: call it a day. I mean, I'm sure Pete wants
Speaker 2: to go would love to go back to Tampa, and
Speaker 2: he wouldn't be the closure because they have Brian Baker
Speaker 2: there now. But I'm sure he could be a good
Speaker 2: middle reliever or setup man in Tampa and Lamars just
Speaker 2: take on the money. I'd have to assume they would
Speaker 2: take on the money and any Pete Fairbanks straight, just
Speaker 2: because you kind of have to at this point. But
Speaker 2: I was told this is not a Josh Bell situation
Speaker 2: that we saw in twenty twenty four where they'll just
Speaker 2: dump him for cash. They will actually try to acquire
Speaker 2: something of value for Fairbanks. So I'm curious see what
Speaker 2: that ends up looking like. Seattle may use them, may
Speaker 2: need them, and Munos hasn't had the best of seasons.
Speaker 2: And then I guess you got to look at like
Speaker 2: the Yankees and the Dodgers as options. As much as
Speaker 2: you hate to mention those teams, but they could all
Speaker 2: use Fairbanks at least, you know, hopefully saying hey, maybe
Speaker 2: a new change, another change of scenery could help them.
Speaker 2: But I would just say just ship them off bat
Speaker 2: of Tampa. Let's be you know, if if the Martins
Speaker 2: don't really plan on keeping in past the season, and
Speaker 2: they probably won't, just just strip them off to Tampa,
Speaker 2: eat the money, get a low and top thirty prospect
Speaker 2: that goes for any team and just call it a
Speaker 2: day with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree. I'm not going to go to in
Speaker 1: particular on landing spots for him, because almost any team
Speaker 1: that's really going for he could use relief help. Is
Speaker 1: an interesting spot for the Marlins because, as we've touched
Speaker 1: on as of late, you know, they don't have an
Speaker 1: especially deep open unless you know for sure that Anthony
Speaker 1: Bender will come back and how soon he'll come back,
Speaker 1: it seems like he's still a little while away. I
Speaker 1: remember in the fact that they do have some guys
Speaker 1: at Triple A that are still going to be interesting
Speaker 1: in getting a long look. They're about to get Josh
Speaker 1: Ecknes back. That's going to help. He could be on
Speaker 1: this roster as soon as their next game against the Braves,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that series very shortly, so that
Speaker 1: will help. But I think overall, outside of Fairbanks and
Speaker 1: outside of Michael Peterson, and as long as they have
Speaker 1: John King, and that's another guy that you highlighted in
Speaker 1: your predictions article today, that's another guy that could be traded,
Speaker 1: just not because Tomorrowlins necessarily love their depth behind him,
Speaker 1: but just the philosophy that relievers are really volatile, that
Speaker 1: even when you think a guy has it all figured out,
Speaker 1: it could really go downhill in a hurry, especially if
Speaker 1: they get hurt. So when their value is way up,
Speaker 1: especially from where it had been starting the season, then
Speaker 1: I think this is a front office that is going
Speaker 1: to be tempted to capitalize on that. The curve balls
Speaker 1: that they didn't do it at all last year. Last
Speaker 1: year when they were clearer, it seems on paper to
Speaker 1: be a clearer seller than they are right now. They
Speaker 1: didn't move a single reliever at all and try to
Speaker 1: catch it on those, So that's what that's part of
Speaker 1: the addictability of this entire exercise. But I think the
Speaker 1: last thing we'll touch on is Xavier Edwards, just because
Speaker 1: there have been some rumors around him, and he's another
Speaker 1: one that you predicted could be on the move just
Speaker 1: given the fact that he's limited. He's a good second basement,
Speaker 1: but also limited. A second basement doesn't have that versatility
Speaker 1: that this organization puts a big premium on. And he
Speaker 1: is due for a significant raise in arbitration this upcoming
Speaker 1: off season, so we've seen him linked to a couple teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just your thoughts right now, just explaining your thought process
Speaker 1: in terms of why they might be willing to move
Speaker 1: a guy that's been on the field essentially every single
Speaker 1: day for them this season.
Speaker 2: He's in an interesting spot because they I think the
Speaker 2: long term answer second base is a little easier to
Speaker 2: define than the one at shortstop right now, because Iva
Speaker 2: isn't a sure thing to stick there. He could go
Speaker 2: to third for the short term. I guess you just
Speaker 2: call up I mean not call up you. You have
Speaker 2: to know he and Jimenez split it up in some
Speaker 2: sort of way, and you recall Paully to play more
Speaker 2: or third in the short term of it. Obviously that's
Speaker 2: not what you want. But X is another guy. I
Speaker 2: could see them trying to do major league for major
Speaker 2: league type trade. And there's teams that have shown interest
Speaker 2: in X in the past. The Nationals tried to get
Speaker 2: X when he was a prospect in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: and I believe I don't know this was mentioned if
Speaker 2: Boston tried to get X in the off season twenty
Speaker 2: in this pass offseason before they traded for them Durban.
Speaker 2: So it's it's a thing where you know there there
Speaker 2: have been teams that want X, and Boston is one
Speaker 2: of them. It seems like the talks between Boston and
Speaker 2: Miami have died when it comes to Otto, but for X,
Speaker 2: it seems like it could be more possible. And I
Speaker 2: think the Rays were also mentioned as a potential fit.
Speaker 2: Funny because they traded him to Miami, but they could
Speaker 2: use them if they don't get a rise, they could
Speaker 2: get X. And X is a guy who has plenty
Speaker 2: of years of control. So and it seems like the
Speaker 2: Giants are really asking for the sun and the moon
Speaker 2: for guy, like.
Speaker 3: For for a rise.
Speaker 2: So it's it's an interesting situation to be in, and
Speaker 2: it's it's one that I don't envy the Marlins right
Speaker 2: now because they have a lot of guys that they
Speaker 2: can move off of and they could still somewhat stay
Speaker 2: competitive mm hm.
Speaker 1: And with him, I guess the last thing I'll say
Speaker 1: is I don't want people to forget about the guys
Speaker 1: they have in Triple A. Like, this team does have
Speaker 1: some very interesting players at Triple A that have had
Speaker 1: bad seasons when they've played at the big league level
Speaker 1: of so far, but it's not like out of the
Speaker 1: realm of possibility that they can contribute down the stretch
Speaker 1: and fill some holes that open up as a result
Speaker 1: of these trades. A name that sticks out when you
Speaker 1: bring up X is Condor Norby, who once upon a
Speaker 1: time was a second baseman. I believe the last Saturday,
Speaker 1: just yesterday, he played second base at Triple A. He
Speaker 1: has been mixing in second and third and left field
Speaker 1: down there. He's moved off of a second just because
Speaker 1: X is a better defender there than he is. But
Speaker 1: Norby still has interesting offensive potential that we've seen even
Speaker 1: at times early this season. He was unfiltered with you
Speaker 1: and me a few months ago, and because he looks
Speaker 1: like his approach was better than ever, it's such a
Speaker 1: long season. That's what I just remind you is like,
Speaker 1: this is a guy that there's reason excited about earlier
Speaker 1: in the year, and then I think he was deservedly
Speaker 1: demoted about a month ago at this point, a little
Speaker 1: more than a month ago. And it's not all that
Speaker 1: crazy that he could come back and help them win games.
Speaker 1: Play some second, play some third, between those two.
Speaker 2: And and first base and first. He was a good
Speaker 2: first baseman, at least according to the numbers.
Speaker 1: That's true, and he was playing primarily first base this
Speaker 1: year before he got sent down and things evolved. It's
Speaker 1: something just to keep in mind that I think needs
Speaker 1: to be emphasized when it comes to these deals and
Speaker 1: why it is that the Marlins may be surprisingly open
Speaker 1: to moving everybody from Hicks just hours to X to
Speaker 1: I don't think Otto is a serious candidate at this point.
Speaker 1: That rumor got a little overblown, the fact that they're
Speaker 1: willing to move a lot of their different position players.
Speaker 1: I think comes down to the fact that they do
Speaker 1: have some very interesting depth at Triple A that have
Speaker 1: shown flashes of being effective at the big league level
Speaker 1: and could still be effective this season, as soon as
Speaker 1: this season and certainly in twenty twenty seven and beyond,
Speaker 1: Guys that are under club control and have real skills
Speaker 1: that I think are madely caliber. Even as overall players
Speaker 1: that hasn't shown up they have, they've if they're utilized
Speaker 1: in the right way, they can still be important winning
Speaker 1: pieces for this team. Yeah. So with that, I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap things up with Prediction Time, a reminder
Speaker 1: that will come back with another deadline specific show tomorrow
Speaker 1: that's gonna be all things deadline related. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: make our serious predictions now for the Brave Series, even
Speaker 1: though we don't know exactly who's gonna be on the team.
Speaker 1: There's an off day in the middle, and of course
Speaker 1: there's the deadline in the middle that could take up
Speaker 1: these rosters. We're gonna head right into our favorite segment
Speaker 1: right now, heading into that three game set between Miami
Speaker 1: and the Braves at Truest Park. Once I get a
Speaker 1: little clip where is my Prediction Time clip? There? It
Speaker 1: is this is prediction time. That's my prediction, but who knows?
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Speaker 1: this most recent series just because I've been extremely busy
Speaker 1: driving back from the ballpark, et cetera. This is how
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Speaker 1: was most previously updated after that Philly series. What we
Speaker 1: do is you get points for predicting who's going to
Speaker 1: win the series, specifically how many games Barns will win,
Speaker 1: who will be the series MVP. As the term by
Speaker 1: win probability added. The calculation for this last series is
Speaker 1: going to be a funny one, just because nobody had
Speaker 1: Michael Peterson as their series MVP, and he would have
Speaker 1: been by the letter of the law, he would have
Speaker 1: been the most valuable player over the course of this series.
Speaker 1: But this is where things stood entering this weekend. Jeremiah Geiger,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna cueue up the music and then bring in
Speaker 1: Kevin and the Trade Deadline till yeah, Kevin is let
Speaker 1: me know that we could have done this at the
Speaker 1: end of the Trade Deadline show, but that show's gonna
Speaker 1: be so long as it is that I want to
Speaker 1: keep that focus entirely on that. And so we're gonna
Speaker 1: give our predictions right now and do it blindly because
Speaker 1: to to be honest, we haven't been particularly effective at
Speaker 1: these predictions all season long, so I think it may
Speaker 1: be less information is better in terms of trying to
Speaker 1: blindly guess this without really knowing at all. Who's going
Speaker 1: to pitch when, YadA, YadA, YadA. So here goes to
Speaker 1: music and uh, yeah, Kevin, your predictions for the three
Speaker 1: game set?
Speaker 2: Alrighty I know he'll be on the team. So Marlins
Speaker 2: will take two three I think to go in to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: They're playing good baseball Braves have been here and there.
Speaker 3: They have good pitching. We'll see what they do at
Speaker 3: the deadline.
Speaker 2: They added Leane Thomas and I think Bailey Falter from
Speaker 2: the Royals yesterday, so we'll see what that does. They'll
Speaker 2: at some point make their debuties. And I think Joe
Speaker 2: Macki is a serious MVP.
Speaker 3: He will be a Marlin.
Speaker 2: If he's not a Marlin, I don't know what I'll say, Honestly,
Speaker 2: I think we'll all be pretty mad. But yes, Drue
Speaker 2: Mac MVP marles s take two out of.
Speaker 1: Three, Okay, I will go with the Marlins winning the
Speaker 1: series as well. Again, not gonna overthink this one because
Speaker 1: so much can change between now and then taking two
Speaker 1: out of three against Atlanta, a team that's in great shape,
Speaker 1: that has built a pretty comfortable lead across the NLF,
Speaker 1: so they're not going to be living and dying with
Speaker 1: every pitch the same way that the Marlins are. We
Speaker 1: know that Truest has been a house of horrors for
Speaker 1: the most part for the Marlins ever since it opened
Speaker 1: almost a decade ago. But I think we'll be able
Speaker 1: to do just enough over the course of those three games.
Speaker 1: The off day in between, well, that's gonna help for
Speaker 1: both teams. So I think you're gonna see very high
Speaker 1: quality of play between these two organizations. And once again,
Speaker 1: I'll have to go, like Kevin, pretty conservative with the
Speaker 1: guy that I trust to actually be with the organization,
Speaker 1: and you know what, I'll actually pivot a little bit
Speaker 1: on that just because he's been in rumors today. I
Speaker 1: still strongly believe that Kyle Stowers is going to be
Speaker 1: a Marlin post trade deadline, and I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be pretty motivated to play well once he stays around,
Speaker 1: and you know, stick it to the team for even
Speaker 1: making him reasonably available in the first place. So well,
Speaker 1: Towers is still going to be a Marlin. In my estimation,
Speaker 1: I think he's going to hit it at least one
Speaker 1: home run against Atlanta, the returning to the site where
Speaker 1: he was an All Star Game participant, returning to the
Speaker 1: site where he participated in that All Star Game swing off.
Speaker 1: So as on the fly here, I'm building more and
Speaker 1: more conviction than Kyle Stowers having a good series, as
Speaker 1: the Marlins will climb to four games over five hundred
Speaker 1: by the end of that three game set.
Speaker 2: Of come.
Speaker 1: So that's fof live here. On the Fish On First
Speaker 1: Podcast presented by jet Ski Rentals of South Florida. I
Speaker 1: just again on the fly coming up with how we
Speaker 1: want to do this. I think what it will do
Speaker 1: is will take predictions from everybody else on the Deadline
Speaker 1: show and kind of just stitch it together with the
Speaker 1: ones that we gave right here. I'll be a good
Speaker 1: point in comparison between us flying blinds in them coming
Speaker 1: in with more information about what actually happened at the deadline.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I had another remind you that we'll be
Speaker 1: back here to focus more on the deadline, to answer
Speaker 1: more of your live questions. We'll go live right around
Speaker 1: five Eastern time tomorrow, an hour before the deadline, feeling
Speaker 1: pretty hopeful that the Marbins will have made some moves
Speaker 1: by den, and then we'll stay on through the deadline
Speaker 1: just to be sure that we're not missing anything that
Speaker 1: happens in the aftermath of six pm Eastern time. So
Speaker 1: should be a good time. We know that a lot
Speaker 1: of the Marvels are just a very creative team, So
Speaker 1: even though we've tried our best to kind of predict
Speaker 1: things and point in a certain direction in terms of
Speaker 1: what they could do, we are fully aware we're not
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna be humbled by the fact that unpredictable
Speaker 1: things could happen, and we're gonna embrace that and analyze
Speaker 1: it as best we can in real time. For all
Speaker 1: you guys from Kevin Barrall and Els Susman, thanks again
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Speaker 1: As always, go Fish.