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Speaker 1: Episode eighty Fish and Filtered. I'm your host, Kevin Bral

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Speaker 1: here with my friend and co host Isaaca Zooit. We're

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Speaker 1: here with Eli Sussman, founder of Fish on first and

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Speaker 1: season's over. The Marlins finished with a seventy nine and

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Speaker 1: eighty three record, a much much needed and big improvement

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Speaker 1: from this team for I'm going from sixty to one

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Speaker 1: hundred to this current record. They were in it up

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Speaker 1: until the final game against the Philadelphia Phillies, which I

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Speaker 1: believe was on September twenty fifth, and Peter Bennix is

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Speaker 1: coming off of his I guess exit press conference. However

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Speaker 1: you want to call it, so a lot to talk about, Isaac,

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Speaker 1: how are we doing? This is gonna be a packed episode,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be the streak of finally going

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Speaker 1: back to the bi weekly episodes too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Like you said, the

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Speaker 2: season has ended. It it's game two of the Major

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Speaker 2: League Baseball postseason Wild Cards Series. A couple of fun

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Speaker 2: games already under our belt. And yeah, we had a

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Speaker 2: lot to discuss. Your president of Baseball Operations, Peter Bendix,

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Speaker 2: spoke to the media this this morning. We'll discuss some

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Speaker 2: of that and Yeah, it's gonna be Uh. It was

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Speaker 2: a nice happy mood inside the lone DEEPO Parks press

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Speaker 2: conference room that we'll get into shortly.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get it going. I'll start with Eli, Eli,

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Speaker 1: Just overall, what were your thoughts on the season? Like,

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Speaker 1: I think I speak for all of us when I

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Speaker 1: say that we were highly surprised from what we saw

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Speaker 1: but it was also a really good year to see

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Speaker 1: a lot of these young players finally come up right,

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Speaker 1: like Augustine Jacob Marcy to make those debuts, finally got

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Speaker 1: the return of Sandy Alcantra, who had a really rough

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Speaker 1: first half of action, but after the All Star break

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Speaker 1: faster trade headline, I would even say look pretty good

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Speaker 1: on finishing the season off on a high note. Yeri Perez,

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Speaker 1: little Rocky dur in the middle of the year, but

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Speaker 1: returned from Tommy John. There's a lot of excitement I

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Speaker 1: think now leading into twenty twenty six, And I think

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Speaker 1: I'll lead it in with do you think first of all,

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Speaker 1: just thoughts on the year, but do you think now

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six begins.

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Speaker 2: A window of where this.

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Speaker 1: Team could be a little bit better than what people

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Speaker 1: thought would be. Maybe the team in twenty seven or

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Speaker 1: twenty eight I would really start competing.

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Speaker 3: You covered it in that dial monologue briefly right there

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Speaker 3: about how from a wins and losses perspective, this felt

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Speaker 3: like a best case scenario for them to improve by

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Speaker 3: seventeen wins from the year before, for them to briefly

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Speaker 3: actually flirt with the wild card spot. And yet things

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Speaker 3: didn't go perfectly smoothly for this team in terms of

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Speaker 3: their health and availability of certain key players, even in

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Speaker 3: be in this position despite getting what was all things

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Speaker 3: considered bad year from Sandy. You can can try to

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Speaker 3: tilt the narrative any way you won, but as an

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Speaker 3: overall player, he didn't help them win that many games

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Speaker 3: compared to if you had just replacement level players in

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Speaker 3: several other key players to just not be available. For

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Speaker 3: Ryan Weathers on this pod entering the season, I think

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Speaker 3: everybody believe that Ryan Weathers could be the most valuable

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Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that all these players are going to have

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Speaker 3: it's hard for players to just keep getting better from

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Speaker 3: that I think anybody following the team this over the

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Speaker 3: So even if you're not totally sure what you're going

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Speaker 3: though I've seen more than a few people dream about

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about quite.

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Speaker 3: That much money realistically that they're going to devote to

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Speaker 3: So you got to get the team a lot of

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Speaker 3: There's still a lot of maneuvering to be done. And

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Speaker 1: Want to add on to that, mister Isaac.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a team that, like Eli said, definitely

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Speaker 2: exceeded expectations. I think Peter Benning's made that clear that

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Speaker 2: And Eric Wagerman and Troy Johnston and Matt Murvis versus

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I think with Peter it's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is how Peter proves himself

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Speaker 2: For example, following the twenty three season. I think this

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Yeah, and we could, I mean just really quickly.

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Speaker 1: You look at first based production specifically this year amongst

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Speaker 1: you know, Ryan O'Hearn, who probably would be a really

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Speaker 2: And you noted it.

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Speaker 1: And this is what Craignish said in the Marlins pregame

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Speaker 1: the Mamins will be active in free agency, probably in

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Speaker 2: What do you think that means to you? Well, I

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Speaker 2: you spent eight million dollars in free agency. So when

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Speaker 2: assume that means at least a crooked number in free

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Speaker 1: He thinks he's shown what it is and but he

435
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Speaker 1: still needs to improve. Yet catching defense is one of

436
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: the biggest things he needs to fix. A little contra

437
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Speaker 1: I think those were kind of contradicting statements from Peter Isaac.

438
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: He did not confirm that the coaching staff would fully return.

439
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: He said that that is a conversation that they need

440
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Speaker 1: to have. But overall, I think it was a little

441
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Speaker 1: more than last year that he did provide.

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Speaker 4: I'll give him.

443
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Speaker 1: Credit, but still I think I left the press conference

444
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Speaker 1: feeling exactly the same as I.

445
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Speaker 2: First walked in. Yeah, let's I guess, let's start with

446
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Speaker 2: the coaching staff. I I it was a total shot

447
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: in the dark, assuming I knew he wasn't gonna, you know,

448
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: officially say no, he wasn't going to give that break

449
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 2: that news right now game in day three of the offseason,

450
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Speaker 2: as he mentioned, it was just maybe sort of hoping

451
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Speaker 2: that he would, But I didn't expect it to Browning Ramirez. Yeah,

452
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 2: he said what I thought he would say regarding I

453
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Speaker 2: think he's got the He's got the capability of being

454
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Speaker 2: a major league catcher, even though all evidence pointed at

455
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 2: the contrary this regular season, he wasn't even been catching

456
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: that much towards the end, he just really after four

457
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: test was traded look to get even worse. So many

458
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: I forget how exactly how many pass balls he actually

459
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 2: did have to go along with the ten or nine

460
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Speaker 2: errors that he had, and then following that saying that

461
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: the one area of the team that he'd like to

462
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: see improved is the catching defense. So I think we

463
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Speaker 2: you know him, you and I spoke to him privately afterwards.

464
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Speaker 2: He's very excited about Joe Mack. You as him that

465
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Speaker 2: on the record, and I think that's all but certain

466
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Speaker 2: that he Magaz going to basically replace Ramirez is catching time.

467
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Speaker 2: You'd think he was really high on DM Hicks. He's

468
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Speaker 2: someone that he also pointed out and singled out during

469
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Speaker 2: that press conference, and there's really not a lot of

470
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Speaker 2: room for three of them. We tried to get him

471
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Speaker 2: to say if they're going to try and expand Ramirez's

472
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Speaker 2: defensive versatility, maybe trying the first base, but he would

473
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Speaker 2: just not comment on that whatsoever. So it looks like

474
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Speaker 2: they're going to give it another shot. We're gonna have

475
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Speaker 2: to see how this goes in spring training, because it's

476
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Speaker 2: gonna be the first you know, I guess full full

477
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Speaker 2: spring training. It said the primary catcher, So I think

478
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Speaker 2: you'll have an opportunity to be really good, But uh,

479
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Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't like the contradicting statements there either.

480
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Speaker 1: Nineteen pass balls for Augustine and twenty twenty five, and

481
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Speaker 1: I want to be clear, Augustine Ramirez did not start

482
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Speaker 1: the season with the Miami Marlins on the major league

483
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Speaker 1: sat on the major league roster for him to come

484
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Speaker 1: midway through the season, a little bit before midway through

485
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Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, wait, man, nineteen pass balls allow eighty

486
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Speaker 1: three stolen bases against eight cock stealing. And by the way,

487
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Speaker 1: the nineteen pass balls led Major League Baseball by far.

488
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Speaker 2: Well that errors did as well.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just to give even more crazy context of the

490
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Speaker 3: pass balls, he had more pass balls by himself than

491
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Speaker 3: any other team had collectively. He on his own, without

492
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Speaker 3: even including the other Marlins catchers, he individually would have

493
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Speaker 3: led all teams in Major League Baseball this year. Now

494
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Speaker 3: you did reference he didn't start the year with the

495
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Speaker 3: Marlins in the big leagues, And why was that. One

496
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Speaker 3: of the big factors behind that is that they want

497
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Speaker 3: to gain the extra year of club control over him

498
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Speaker 3: where his free agency is after essentially seven seasons instead

499
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Speaker 3: of six seasons. And that is also why I expect

500
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Speaker 3: Augustine to start next year as a catcher, so that

501
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Speaker 3: they can do the exact same thing with Joe Mack.

502
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Speaker 3: I think Joe Mack is going to come up very

503
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Speaker 3: early in the year, but not on an opening day,

504
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Speaker 3: because the difference between opening day and even the middle

505
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Speaker 3: of April is that in terms of service time, he's

506
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Speaker 3: going to be limited enough so that his free agency

507
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 3: gets pushed back an entire year. So instead of acquiring

508
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Speaker 3: an entirely different catcher, entirely different veteran catcher to serve

509
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Speaker 3: as a stop gap, they'll give Augustine one last chance

510
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Speaker 3: and over a course of a matter of weeks, I

511
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Speaker 3: would think at the start of the season, and then

512
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Speaker 3: when Mac comes up, we'll see how Augustine does. I mean,

513
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Speaker 3: as long as he's hitting well offensively, there's certainly find

514
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: a spot for him, whether it's DH or trying that

515
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Speaker 3: first base, et cetera. If for whatever reason Augustine starts

516
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: in a really bad offensive slump at the beginning of

517
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: the year, it was not totally out of the realm

518
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Speaker 3: of possibility that he has options to Jacksonville for a

519
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: brief period of time. Not, as I said before, not

520
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: all developments is linear. Even though we all feel very

521
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 3: optimistic about him as a long term offensive player, that's

522
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: not out of that's still one of the many of

523
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: the many possible universes, there is one where Augustine actually

524
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Speaker 3: getting sent down and replaced by Joe Mack for a

525
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: brief period of time on the big league roster. I

526
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: think it comes down to that where as they look forward,

527
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Speaker 3: they think the most likely possibility is that Mac is

528
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Speaker 3: They're going to hold down Mac for a brief period

529
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Speaker 3: at the start of the year in order to focus

530
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Speaker 3: on that long term sustainability in order to maximize their

531
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Speaker 3: years of club control. And then when he comes up

532
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: that then they'll solve that problem. Then in terms of

533
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: how those pieces fit together.

534
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the last number, the last not even number,

535
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Speaker 1: the last that Augustin Ramirez as a d H hit

536
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Speaker 1: two forty Jesus four for eighty six with a seven

537
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Speaker 1: eighty ops. He was even worse as a catcher. So

538
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Speaker 1: I mean, you could even make the case that like

539
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Speaker 1: the pressure of catching, the pressure of making sure he

540
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: has this downpack certainly hurting him. And I would compare

541
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Speaker 1: kind of the Xavier Edward situation where x was at

542
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: short and he really wasn't hitting, you know, to the

543
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Speaker 1: expectation that we thought he would or do what he

544
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: thought he would, and then goes to second base looks

545
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Speaker 1: awesome defensively, and then you know we got to go in.

546
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Speaker 1: There's a second baseman. Towards the latter half of the

547
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: season looked really good. I know he had some slumps

548
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: that really hurt him, but he finished the season off

549
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: on a high note. So I think that's another thing, Isaac.

550
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Speaker 1: Anything else that stood out to during the press conference?

551
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Speaker 1: And again, fans that think we don't push hard for questions,

552
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: we don't ask.

553
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: We asked.

554
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Speaker 1: Everyone asked. Will Sandy be on the team comes spring training?

555
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Speaker 1: Will Sandy be your opening day starter? Will you sign

556
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Speaker 1: a player to a contract extension? You signed free agents

557
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: while you spend money? Did Bruce talk to you about

558
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: spending money? It was all asked. So for any fan

559
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: who thinks that we don't ask the questions, the full

560
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: recording is on fish on first dot Com. You can

561
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: check it out. It's also my Twitter you could check

562
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: it out. He was pushed for questions regardless of the

563
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: outcome of the season.

564
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Speaker 2: He was asked a lot.

565
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Speaker 1: Anything else that set.

566
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Speaker 2: Out to the way, Yes, a few things, Peter. This

567
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: was his second end of your press conference as president

568
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: of Baseball Operation, and I think this time he looked

569
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Speaker 2: a lot more comfortable fielding questions with his opening remarks. Obviously, Hey,

570
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: this is a season that he did not lose one

571
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: hundred games, so you know that makes sense. But he

572
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: did seem a lot more comfortable. He did for the

573
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Speaker 2: first time actually mentioned names on his own, like you

574
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: mentioned Liam Hicks, Lake Boker. So that was nice to

575
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: see sours as well, of course, and the other part

576
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: of the what the head of communications, John Eric Alvarez

577
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: mentioned before, the whole thing started with some like cool

578
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: sets about the attendance obviously, which is nice. And then

579
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Speaker 2: the TV viewership would surprised me. They allegedly the viewership

580
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: for fan duel when I'm ninety two percent from last year,

581
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: which I guess, Yeah, makes sense when you're not playing

582
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: Vidal Bruhn and certain other guys every day. Yeah, and

583
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: you have all these walkoffs and all start. Yeah, that'll

584
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: that'll bump up TV ratings. So that was good to

585
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: see and I think it can only go up next

586
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: year as well. And regarding Sandy, Yes, last year, at

587
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: this time of last year they were comfortable in saying

588
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: that Santel Thunder will be the opening day starter. Circumstances

589
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: have changed. He was recovering from Tommy John surgery. They

590
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: had no intention on trading him without at least proving

591
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: that he was healthy this time. And now he finished

592
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: year extremely healthy and extremely well. And you know, when

593
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: he was asked point blank, are you comfortable in saying

594
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Speaker 2: that Sandy will be with the Marls spring training, he

595
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: did his classic non answer, which essentially was, I don't

596
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: feel comfortable singling out any individual player. We want to

597
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: get make our team better. There's a lot of waste

598
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: make his team better, and he's not. He's going to

599
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: be as disciplined as possible when it comes to that.

600
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Speaker 2: And if that means to trade Sandy, then that means

601
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 2: training Sandy. I don't know if they can literally, because

602
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: of how much money he's owed seventy million dollars this

603
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: year with a club option for another seventeen following year.

604
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: They need that money on the payroll. I don't know

605
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: how if they trade Sandy. I don't know how they

606
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: can justify having that low.

607
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: They could keep the money, they keep the money and

608
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: just trade the player, and which would which would eventually

609
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: get you will probably a.

610
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: Better package, right right if they do trade him, and

611
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, take care of the money of the seventeen million,

612
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: or at least most of it, which is what a

613
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: lot of teams do in order to generate a better

614
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: prospect package. Then yeah, that would work out just as well,

615
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: and if anything, even better. It depends on how they

616
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: view Sandy. I think they really thought that they were

617
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: going to trade them at the trade headline. So we

618
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: shall see if it's too where This isn't our prediction show,

619
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: but if I had to predict, I would say he

620
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: gets dealt this offseason. I think that's likely. He couldn't

621
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: have finished the see better. So that's why I can't

622
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: say that he had a bad season like we said earlier.

623
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Speaker 2: I think he had a tale of two seasons, which

624
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense that the numbers of the numbers

625
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five years, but in my opinion, that

626
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: second half really sort of made it just a utual

627
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: year for it.

628
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Speaker 1: Well, and on top of that, now his off season

629
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: is gonna look a lot different, right, Well, he did

630
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: say it would be a normal offseason. I think he

631
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: did say that last year, but really, like I don't

632
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: think that was the case in my opinion, Like, you're

633
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: still coming back from this injury, you still have the

634
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: build up. He's gonna have a normal off season now,

635
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, Frush one year removed or over a year

636
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: removed from the surgery. Yeah, I mean it. You know,

637
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: you like to dream that this rotation could be Sandy

638
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: Yuri Caberera Weathers and whoever that fifth starter may end

639
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: up being, because that could be one of the best

640
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: rotations in the National League, maybe Baseball when you look

641
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: at it. I mean, the way that the Marlins finished

642
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: out the year with those three guys on the mounds

643
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: was awesome to watch, and it really it gave you

644
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: like look of wow, like you know, twenty twenty six

645
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: could be a really funn year if they hold onto

646
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: these guys.

647
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: But we'll see.

648
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: And and the one thing to note really quickly is

649
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: that the Marlins are now adding on the payroll, or

650
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: not to the payroll, the contract of John Carlos stand

651
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: the ten million dollars that he's old. So now there's

652
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: a little bump up in the payroll, not a lot,

653
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to add regardless to the payer

654
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be forced to do it if it's

655
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: through extensions or free agent signings, like I think A

656
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: good example is what the A's did, right. They extended

657
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: Brent Rooker. I think Lawrence Butler was one of the

658
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: guys extended. They signed Louis Savarino to a contract, like

659
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do things similar to that. Are

660
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: they gonna do it? I don't know. They're having conversations,

661
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: so we'll just have to wait and see, right.

662
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you know, I don't see many potential

663
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: extension candidates here. Stours already is old, Yuri. I think

664
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: they're too late on that. Marc is too almost White

665
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: makes the most sense. Thomas The only guy in the

666
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: organization that I think could make some sense are either

667
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: Thomas White or Robbie Stelling. Pre debut extensions. I'm usually

668
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: not a fan of that, but if any if a

669
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: team like the Marlins or the Rays have a chance

670
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: to hold onto these guys through their free agent years

671
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: and through their prime years, you have to do it

672
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: now and assume the risk. But you know, this team

673
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: has clearly been as risk aversus possible under this ownership group,

674
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: So I just I tend to especially with pitchers, I

675
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: don't see it as likely. But like I said, everyone's

676
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: saying Marcie. I don't.

677
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: They're not going to extend, Marci, I can promise you that.

678
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: Do you the other thing I think they should bring

679
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: in through free agency? And I'm sorry he mentioned this

680
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: last year funny enough, and we didn't ask him this year,

681
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: but like they need a veteran presidence in the clubhouse,

682
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: at least on the position player side, still right, like

683
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: Sandy sure, but like we've seen it for a couple

684
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: of years now, Like, yeah, you could call him a leader,

685
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: but he's more of a lead by example. He's not

686
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: really much of a talker. So I think that's I

687
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: know you're doing the projected the way too early projected

688
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six roster, and I think you're gonna include

689
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Paul Goldschman in it. I think you noted to us,

690
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: so do you think that's actually an option? But I

691
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: also asked myself, could they do like a similar thing

692
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: to like the Rob Brantley thing, where you're bringing in

693
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: a veteran catcher, but like one that will actually make

694
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: the roster unlike.

695
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: Rob Brandlan.

696
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: M unlikely. I don't think that's important to them. I

697
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: think they're going to depend on their coaching staffage.

698
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: Really willing to go with three catchers last year.

699
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: Right with Brandley, I think they were using him as

700
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: a glorified coach for a little bit there. And yeah,

701
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: you mentioned Sandy. I I don't think that they're going

702
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: to prioritize age. I do think that if they do

703
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: go outside the organization for free agent help with an

704
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: offensive player. Yeah, well, all these free agents are going

705
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: to be, you know, veterans at least for a little bit,

706
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: at least a little bit of veterans. But yeah, Paul Golschman,

707
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: in my opinion, wouldn't make a lot of sense. You'd

708
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: practically be unapproved. Eric Wagerman, even though he's not the

709
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: same MVP player that he used to be, if he

710
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 2: does decide to play in twenty twenty six, I think

711
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 2: he'd make a lot of sense for this ball club.

712
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: And he offers exactly what you're talking about in that

713
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: veteran present.

714
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: Alrighty, I know you want to talk about this, Isaac,

715
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five versus twenty twenty three. I'll let Eli

716
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: explain by twenty twenty three is still the better team

717
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: than the twenty twenty five on and then I will

718
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: allow you to have your rebuttal.

719
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: Well, no, just before you like go. It's funny because

720
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: it's all been discussed. So this team almost made the postseason,

721
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: this team finished, the twenty twenty five team finished what

722
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: five wins shy of the of the twenty twenty three

723
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: team that did make the postseason. I think we can

724
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: agree that the twenty twenty three team was one of

725
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: the worst postseason teams. It's the worst in a while.

726
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: And so this debate came up, which team would have

727
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: fared better in October? And I have my opinion. Let's

728
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 2: hear you guys first.

729
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a difficult topic to broach because

730
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: you guys kind of agree on ground rules.

731
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: Here.

732
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: One reason why twenty twenty three was not a viable

733
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: postseason opponents is because by the end of the year

734
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: they lost a couple of their most pivotal players. Sandy

735
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: went down with his injury, Yuri went down, and I

736
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: think he would have been shut down due to usage

737
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: even if he was considered healthy. Louis Arrised literally hobbled

738
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: to the finish dealing with an ankle injury down the stretch,

739
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: so they were just poorly positioned. But I think the

740
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: general question isn't so much about where they were in

741
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: that moment at the end of the year, but just

742
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: the overall team quality and kind of just assuming relatively

743
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: best case scenario with the guys that were available in

744
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: those particular years. Yeah, to me, I think it is

745
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: pretty clearly twenty twenty three it was. We talked quite

746
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: a bit about the bullpen on this show, and twenty

747
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: twenty three was sold much deeper bullpen than they had

748
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. All the options they had for

749
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 3: both righty's and lefties just gave create so many opportunities

750
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: to match up ideally lating games situations. Yeah, if we

751
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: are assuming that the actual the health of the best

752
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 3: available pitchers, that was a pretty deep rotation that also

753
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: had good upside between Sandy and Uri and jesus Lozardo

754
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: was awesome that year. Even Braxton Garrett was one of

755
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: the really great stories of that season, somehow making it

756
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 3: through a entire year and being extraordinarily consistent along the way.

757
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: Even if he's not the type of guy that would

758
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: translate much into post he's in play because he's a

759
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: guy that was all about command instead of swing and miss.

760
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: And Yeah, so with the lineup. There were a couple

761
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: of very big holes in the twenty twenty three lineup

762
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: that weren't there in twenty twenty five. I think that

763
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: is an important distinction. At the same time, I mean,

764
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: the upside at several of those lamp spots in twenty

765
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: twenty three was great. That version of Luisa Rise was

766
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: the best year of his career. We all kind of

767
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: knew in the moment that, Wow, how is he How

768
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: is he this impactful as an offensive player, because it

769
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: was more than just the singles. There was quite a

770
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: few doubles in there, and there were just enough walks

771
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: in the occasional homer where he was that he was

772
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: beyond what they could have hoped for that particular season.

773
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: Where As an individual player, I think even more so

774
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: than somebody like Kyle Stowers. Stowers has a higher op

775
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: had and higher ops this year just because of the

776
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: additional power and selugging that he provides. I might tell

777
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: you that he's the better overall player, but in my opinion,

778
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: Arise getting on base about forty percent of the time

779
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: that season and making so many productive outs when he

780
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: wasn't on bass, that was kind of the most impactful

781
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 3: individual guy on either offense, in my opinion, and from there,

782
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: if we're incorporating the trades of course that they made

783
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: in the middle of the season to compliment arise with

784
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: having Jorge so O Laer and Jake Berger and that

785
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: version of Josh Bell, they did have power behind a

786
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: rise in a meaningful way that allowed that I think

787
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: fit pretty well together, even though and that was enough

788
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: that even though they had holes deeper down in their lineup,

789
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: the never really figured out shortstop, they never figured out

790
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: first base. They never got anything from their catchers either,

791
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 3: like those three three holes there where this current team

792
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: didn't have gaping holes in any particular spot. I mean,

793
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: they were weak, as we've covered in the infield corners,

794
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: but not to that same sub six hundred ops type

795
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: of danger zone. It wasn't quite as dire of a

796
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: need as that previous team had in twenty twenty three.

797
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: I think he balanced it all out, and ultimately, if

798
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: you want to fault to things like the run differential.

799
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: As bad as historically bad as the run differential was

800
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three for a playoff team, it was

801
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: still better than this current team. It was one that

802
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: all things considered, maybe offensively, they were to Tick Belower,

803
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: but they were just significantly better as a overall pitching staff,

804
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: in my opinion. One interesting aspect of that is that

805
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: both teams have Edward Cabrera and but they've to much

806
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: different versions of him, where he was pretty mediocre in

807
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three versus him being by far the best

808
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: version of himself in twenty twenty five. I think, to me,

809
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: more so than trying to win an argument here, it

810
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: is it is kind of amusing to me how few

811
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: of the players were on both of those teams, even

812
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: though it's just a few year difference, there are just

813
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: so many There's been so much roster turn since then

814
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: that to me, I enjoy the fact that you could

815
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 3: kind of compare them and there are very few common

816
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: threads because of injuries, trades and whatnot.

817
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: And on top of that, you know, you have, like

818
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: all these veteran pieces that this twenty twenty three team

819
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: had that I would say were kind of prepared for

820
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: the moments a little more than twenty twenty five in

821
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: certain senses, rias Berger, Bell Solaire, even Juligue Real, And

822
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: I think the decision making, the decision making on that

823
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: team was so so much better, right, Like think about

824
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: think about the Cardinals game for example, like the shoe

825
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: magic moment or whatever you want to call it, right,

826
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: that's something definitely to keep that like it was so

827
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: much better. And I'll get into Isaac's case, like the

828
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: decision making really affected certain moments of this twenty twenty

829
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: five team, hence Rocky series where they got swept. Then

830
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: do you have the Fenway moment, the one against the Braves,

831
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: recently against the Phillies, Like there were moments that really

832
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: hurt the twenty twenty five team. And that's something that

833
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: our guy Nate Carsman is writing about for fish On

834
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: first some of those games that really affected why the

835
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: Marlins did not make the postseason because you take away

836
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: a couple of those games.

837
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: The Marlins are in the postseason.

838
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: Right now and we're having a completely different podcast. But

839
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: I just feel like twenty twenty three was built a

840
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: little bit better for the moment. And I mean, Tanner

841
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: Scott already had an awesome season, and even like Soriano,

842
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: who was we now remember being so bad and not good,

843
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: he was.

844
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: Really good in twenty twenty three.

845
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Well Marlins, So you know, even like the worst, the

846
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: relievers were pretty good on the Marlins, where you can't

847
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: say the same for this for this team, and I will, Yeah,

848
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: obviously if you look the run differential and you make

849
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: a good point, and then you're gonna make it because

850
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: so Illha pitched you. But Jacob Stalings also pitched a

851
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: lot of games. So I don't know. I still believe

852
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: that twenty twenty three was the better team. They were

853
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: the more. Obviously, experience definitely helps. You also had the

854
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: season that Arise had, which will by far they be

855
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: the best season you will ever have in the major leagues.

856
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: And you've got the power that you really weren't expecting.

857
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: Sandy wasn't Sandy, but he wasn't as bad as twenty

858
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: twenty five Sandy, but he wasn't you know, the cy

859
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: Young Award winner that we've seen the year before. Yuri

860
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: was awesome, whether whethers wasn't even there really like he

861
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, he's in Triple A, and yeah, Lozardo, like,

862
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: you had four really good starting pitchers I could count

863
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: on every single day, and I don't think that was

864
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: the case for twenty twenty five at points in the season.

865
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: And no, I think without a doubt the pitching was

866
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: better in twenty twenty three. They did score more runs

867
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. I think the offense and I

868
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: think you guys made a very good point that not

869
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 2: the decision making per se, even though yes, of course

870
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: Skip he did have a hell of a rookie season

871
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: managing with the Marlins and what they were, but they

872
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: were all in mode, not all in but they were

873
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: a very aggressive team that I was trying to win

874
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: every single game as as hard as humanly possible. So

875
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: I think that sort of benefited them a little bit.

876
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: They maybe did not punt games that this coaching staff did.

877
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: I'm not just going to use to know as an example.

878
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: I think Valente Bioso, anytime you put him in the ballgame,

879
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: that was it. For example, that game in Philadelphia that

880
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: comes to mind when Ryan Weathers couldn't really go deep

881
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: for one game. By one game, it's not over, they

882
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: put in Biosa. All of a sudden, you blink and

883
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: it's eleven to one. So I think that was the

884
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: main argument that I had that I agree with you

885
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: guys that the decision making that decision making, they said,

886
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: but just the managing was a little bit more aggressive

887
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: and built in to be, hey, we need him win

888
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: every single game, especially going in September, the Marlins were

889
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: as aggressive as any major league team in baseball and

890
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: trying to win and trying to make it into the postseason.

891
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: And then offensively, I think this I would choose the

892
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five offense over that twenty twenty three team.

893
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: This that was a team that employed Brian de la

894
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: Cruz and Jean Segura and Joey Wendall at Julie Gariel

895
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: at Nick Foortes every single day for half of their lineup.

896
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: It was a really uh it just felt like it

897
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: had more holes.

898
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: And that was a good Dela Cruz. Though it wasn't

899
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: bad Dela Cruise.

900
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: It was already starting to be bad Dela Cruz.

901
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: It was.

902
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: It was just it was this Brian de la Cruz

903
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: with a seven to ten ops it was starting to

904
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: be in his eighty eight OPS plus he was a

905
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: twelve percent worse than league average at hitting. It was

906
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: starting to be bad Brian Dela Cruz. Unfortunately, John Birdie

907
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: was a nice little bright spot for that team. So yeah,

908
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: you just you just failed to have aside from a

909
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: rise Solaire was good. I think a Rise and Celia

910
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: the two all stars in that season. Aside from that,

911
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Jazz was okay, Haycus Sanders was okay. It's a meaningless argument.

912
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: It's fun to point out and look at it, especially

913
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 2: since not a lot of guys overlapped with these two teams.

914
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: The bullpen is the one that, Yeah, I sort of

915
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: forgot how nasty and how many options they had in

916
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: Brazo and in Okurt was still okay, and Scott and

917
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: Puck were incredible, including Nardi had three dominant lefties they

918
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: would just use, Yeah, and then they bring in Robertson

919
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, it didn't help as much as

920
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: they would have liked. But it's fun to look back

921
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: at that team because it really was a special team

922
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: for all of us, you know, the first full season

923
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: that you know, there was fans in the stands that

924
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: we got to cover together. But there's something about this

925
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: twenty five team that I just think they struck out

926
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: way less and I like this twenty five team more,

927
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: if if that's okay to say.

928
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Yep, shout out no Burger for covering that game. Last

929
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: thing I want to get to before we wrap up

930
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: is the forty man, because right now it is full,

931
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: it is at forty, but it'll look a little bit different.

932
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: There are certain guys on the sixth. So right now

933
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: they have one, two, three, four or five six players

934
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: on a sixty day IL, meaning they need to make

935
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: six roster moves to add those guys back. And those

936
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: players are Broxton, Garrett, Max Meyer, Anthony Bender, Andrew Nrdi,

937
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: Hazu's Tonoko, Tyler Zuber. Yes, Tonoko will not pitch in

938
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, but he still needs to be added

939
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: to the forty man roster throughout the offseason. Now we

940
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: look at this rot, we look at this right now,

941
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: clearly there are players that do not deserve to be

942
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: on this forty man roster just unfortunately. That is how

943
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: you have to say it. Eli, I know you write

944
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: an article about this. How do you think they'll manage

945
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: the forty man? Who are some guys to look at

946
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: that could potentially be off the forty man? And honestly,

947
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: who are some guys on the sixty day al who

948
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: may not even make it back to the forty man?

949
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: They could just all together DFA.

950
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: Right, that's the point to clarify first, is that they

951
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: have to activate these guys off the sixty day IL

952
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: sometime between now and a few days after the World Series.

953
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 4: They could do it at any point, I remember.

954
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: I think last year they waited basically until the World

955
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: Series ended before doing it. And from the guys that

956
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: are currently heard, it seems like Tonoko and Zuber for

957
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: Tunoko because he's not going to pitch next year and

958
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: Zuber because he was waiverclaim in the first place that

959
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: I didn't really have an opportunity to do a whole

960
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: lot before getting hurt again, even if his injury isn't

961
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: as severe. I think those are the two easiest places

962
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: to start. And then when once you get to the

963
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: players on the forty man itself, uh, my mind goes

964
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: first to Jack Winkler, who was defeated at least once

965
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: during the season, and I think he is one kind

966
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: of nerdy. Distinction is that some of these guys they

967
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 3: can be DFA, they can pass through waivers, and there's

968
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: some that would still actually be able to stick in

969
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: the organization because they don't have enough minor league service

970
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: time yet. Now in the case of Winkler, because he

971
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: was outrighted to the miners, early in the year. I

972
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: think he could optet again. That's not they don't really care.

973
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: All due respect to Jack Winkley, they don't. I don't

974
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: think they care all that much what happens. If they

975
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: really want him back, they can sign him to a

976
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: new minor league deal entering twenty twenty six. Maybe that happens,

977
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: So he would be the easiest place to start on

978
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: the position player side, and then you go back to

979
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: the pitching side, and I would think that George Soriano

980
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 3: is in the most trouble because they gave him quite

981
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: a few opportunities this year after giving quite a few

982
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: opportunities last year. Just just too hittable, and the guy

983
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: that you would think would have a better opportunity to

984
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: miss bats just has not done it the same way

985
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: since his rookie year. And he's also going to be

986
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 3: out of minor league options, I believe heading moving forward,

987
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: so that makes it an easier call. Josh Simpson will

988
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: be an interesting test case. I think he's kind of

989
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 3: a true borderline candidate here. It was a bad year

990
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: for him overall.

991
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 4: Of course, at the big league level.

992
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 3: He finished off on a very good run. The last

993
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: handful of appearances, he didn't allow a run the last

994
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: couple of weeks that he pitched, and he was actually

995
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: throwing more strikes. We touched on how limited they are

996
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: in terms of lefty reliever options. You could look right here,

997
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: I've it split between rightis and lefties. Only four lefty

998
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: pitchers currently on the forty man and the only relievers

999
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: are Gibson and Simpson while we wait for Nardi to return.

1000
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: So with him, I think that could go either way.

1001
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: I don't think he's necessarily an automatic say goodbye, as

1002
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: she might assume, just because of the way that he finished,

1003
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: and because the eventually, as this off season goes on,

1004
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: they'll try to improve in that particular department and that

1005
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 3: will make it an easier call. But for in terms

1006
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: of the near term decisions, this first wave of moves,

1007
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it's an automatic at all that he's gone.

1008
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1009
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: Elsewhere on the pitching side, we got really small samples

1010
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: of Christian Roa and really small samples of Freddy Tarnuck.

1011
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm higher on Tarnuck, so I think, But also both

1012
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: of them had really good stuff and they performs well

1013
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: in tripa A on the strength of that stuff. That

1014
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 3: it's not like a straightforward decision one way or the other,

1015
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: which one they'd.

1016
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 4: Want to squeeze off.

1017
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Valencie Haeozo isn't an interesting spot because how much

1018
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: he slumped down at the very end of the year

1019
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: his stuff. We were excited in spring training that there

1020
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 3: was an uptick in his stuff and it didn't really

1021
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 3: stick or make much of a difference whatsoever. So even

1022
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: though he's available to eat a lot of innings, if

1023
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 3: you don't think they're going to be good endings moving forward,

1024
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: then that's something you got to seriously consider. I think

1025
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: moving back to the position player side, Ryan Navaretto will

1026
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: be another interesting one where the small sample of him

1027
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: at the big league level was very good offensively and

1028
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: defensively hera But at the same time, this is a

1029
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: guy that nobody bothered putting on their forty man for

1030
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: the last five years. The last time he was in

1031
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 3: the big leagues was five years ago with the Marlins,

1032
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: and he's just about he's just been bouncing on one

1033
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: minor earlely deal after the other. So this is something

1034
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: to think about. Just in regard to Joe mack where

1035
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: I think because Mac has to go on the forty

1036
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: man as well. That's gonna be the next wave of

1037
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: moves after this one, is to protect him from the

1038
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: Rule five. So I think Navarretto does get squeezed off,

1039
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: either in this first wave or late in November when Mac.

1040
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 4: Officially has to join.

1041
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: And obviously I'll be interested to see where that goes.

1042
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: Because he didn't really hit very much in Triple A.

1043
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: I don't buy that very much. I think, all things considered,

1044
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: even if you value his intangibles and his vibe, that

1045
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: that's a player that is just below the.

1046
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: Threshold he wants to actually stick on a roster, and.

1047
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: He's yet another one that if you really want him,

1048
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be available as a minor league free

1049
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: agent and you can resign him to a fresh deal.

1050
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: So I think when push comes to shove, Navaretto is

1051
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: in trouble. Winkler, zuber Tonoko and George Soriano those are

1052
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 3: the guess top of mind. And yeah, there's another wave

1053
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: of decisions that we could get to, but as all

1054
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: season goes on, I think those that's the low hanging fruit.

1055
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and actually someone mentioned this to me, like the

1056
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: Josh Simpson thing. You guys remember Andrew Nardi. His first year,

1057
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: he was horrible, Like he was really that a nine

1058
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: to eight two era, but he had the seven to

1059
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: one four fifth. What since in seven three era of

1060
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: five three fifth? Like, I'm not gonna say he's gonna

1061
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: have a twenty twenty three hundred ardy season, but I

1062
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: as much as I would assume, and what probably DFA him.

1063
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: They need lefties.

1064
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: He is one of one, two three, I think four

1065
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: or four lefties five lefties at forty man right now,

1066
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: So he's gonna definitely be an option, you know, to dfa,

1067
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: but also to keep around and see what you got, right.

1068
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they clearly like them because they used them

1069
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: in every possible situation this season, including the ninth inning

1070
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: of a tie game at Fenway Park and Citizens Bank

1071
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: Park during extra innings and all that stuff. Another name

1072
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: worth looking at it. I don't know if he'll be

1073
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: on the forty man the whole year. Is our guy

1074
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 1: Troy Johnston, Isaac do you think they keep him around

1075
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: the entire offseason? Like he's a guy who you know,

1076
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: if they find another first baseman that they like and sign,

1077
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: he will sobefulley need someone who probably may be off

1078
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: of it aside from that, I think everyone is pretty safe.

1079
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: Wembor made a very nice impression towards the latter end

1080
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: of the season, enough to keep him around. I would say,

1081
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: I know, Eli, you know whatever, He's Derek Hill two

1082
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: point out but with more power.

1083
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: Well really quick with Simson, Yeah, it's a fair point.

1084
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: We've always liked the stuff. When he was a prospect.

1085
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: He wasn't name that we had circle for.

1086
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: It was a thirty prospects at one point.

1087
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: He and Nardi for us, we're good. Nardi was always

1088
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: a little bit better and for to end the season.

1089
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: Josh Simpson his last six appearances, all of them except

1090
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: the first one that I'm about to mention, six appearances

1091
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: against the Tigers and the Phillies, two playoff teams. The

1092
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: two against each he went five and two. Thirsdy is

1093
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: not allowed a singler and run, struck out eight like

1094
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: the swing and miss was there. He wasn't walking guys,

1095
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: he wasn't leaving me polls over the plate. He ast

1096
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 2: you pitched really well towards the end of his season,

1097
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: so I think he earned himself another opportunity, especially this

1098
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: team does not have four hundred million dollars payroll. This

1099
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: team does not have sky high expectations. I think there

1100
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: is room for Like you said, Kevin, one of the

1101
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: rare left handers on the forty men roster. In regards

1102
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 2: to Troy, it's gonna be tough, unfortunately, I think I

1103
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: think he did as well as we could have hoped. Offensively,

1104
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: he had a really special performance on Saturday against the

1105
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: Ale Central No not to Ale Central chance, but the

1106
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: Detroit Tigers, who did make the postseason, with the two

1107
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 2: home run game, including a walk off home run. But

1108
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: other than those few moments, he had another nice moment

1109
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: in Texas where he had a couple of hits, including

1110
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: a home run. There are some flaws in the offensive game. Unfortunately,

1111
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: He's an okay for his basement. He can be serviceable

1112
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: in the corner of outfield spots. It's going to be

1113
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: tough for him to last all offseason on that forty men,

1114
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: especially the Marlins are looking for outside help at that position,

1115
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: which they clearly are. Eric Wagerman is also there, and

1116
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: the Marlins who have control over him for the next

1117
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: half century. So it'll be tough for Troy. I would

1118
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: guess that he does not make it through to spring

1119
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: training with the Marlins.

1120
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I guess, because he could just elect a

1121
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: league free agency. I guess in that sense. But just

1122
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: really quickly, a couple of guys who are Rule five,

1123
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: like Joe Mack You're gonna laugh, Spencer Bromwell, Nathan Martorella Morissette,

1124
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: Hostetler Well, Andrew Pintar, Jacob Barry, you go a little lower,

1125
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: Josh White, William Kempner, Dale Stanovich, Matt Bouchard. I'm not

1126
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: even gonna mention this last name because no Marlins fan

1127
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: has ever heard of him. So those are the notables

1128
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: that are going to the Rule five. So, as Eli noted,

1129
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: that'll be the next major wave of roster moves it.

1130
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: You know, we saw Dax get added last year, Davison,

1131
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: Jared Serna, so all three of those guys are currently

1132
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: still on the forty. Man. We'll see what's up with Dax.

1133
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: So you had a weird season, ended up being a

1134
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: reliever towards the end of it, and that's yeah, it

1135
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: didn't look gonna look great. But Isaac Eli, anything else

1136
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: almost an hour in before we wrap up, Yeah.

1137
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: No, just the obviously the post he is underway. Then

1138
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: that is probably the next big thing. To happen for

1139
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: the Marrows called Ross decisions they do have to make.

1140
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: The we're proud of announce that we'll again have boots

1141
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: on the ground for the twenty twenty five Winter Meetings

1142
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: that happens in early December. Obviously still ways away, but

1143
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the more exciting times of

1144
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: the off season. Not what it used to be, but

1145
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: still it'll be nice for the third consecutive offseason. Fish

1146
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: on first, we'll have reporters on site for that and

1147
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: other than that, no, but we will see you guys

1148
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: in two weeks.

1149
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: Ye at least the draft lottery won't be a disappointment,

1150
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: right well, it's one point chance of getting the first

1151
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: overall pick.

1152
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: You never know, that is true.

1153
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: It's like the playoff odds. But alrighty, we'll wrap it

1154
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: up here from Isaac Eli myself, we'll see guys on

1155
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: two weeks. I think by that point we'll actually have

1156
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good guest I feel like it. So see

1157
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 1: guys on two weeks. Peace out, as always, go Fish