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Speaker 1: that this morning. Yeah, I know. I am Jenna Elfman

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Speaker 1: and I am an actress ever growing. Here we go. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: gentle listeners, and welcome back to my favorite podcast, Off

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Speaker 1: the Beat. I am, as always, your host, Brian Baumgartner. Now,

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Speaker 1: as you know from the introduction, you've just heard, the

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Speaker 1: She has been in a lot of your favorite shows

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Speaker 1: with Benefits, but perhaps most famously, she starred as the spunky,

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Speaker 1: Now this is probably clear from Jenna's bright, shining golden

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Speaker 1: to love her too. Now, in addition to being a

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna leave it to Jenna to tell the

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Speaker 1: whole story. So here she is, without further ado, my

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Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak, Bubble and Squeaker cookie every month, left

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Speaker 1: over from the Nat Poole. Hello, Jenna, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm so good. How are you? I'm good? Well, it's

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Speaker 1: good to see you. Um you you're rare. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: The callback of a Sprite commercial in Sprite Breeds Love.

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Speaker 1: And I'll let you do your interview, but come on,

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00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: had said over kind of a sketch of this character.

429
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: The bottom line for her was she was who she was,

430
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: not this layered neurotic thing. But like if she's happy,

431
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: you scratch the surface, you don't get a different beast,

432
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: you just get more of her. And that was the

433
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: concept for this character. And then they ended up working backwards,

434
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: Well how do you get somebody like that? Well, maybe

435
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,239
Speaker 1: hippie parents who just allowed her to be, you know.

436
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: And at that time it was very unique for that

437
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: kind of character because it was a lot more at

438
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: the time women in comedy on the on shows, it

439
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: was more neurotic. And so anyhow, I went and had

440
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: a general meeting with Dottie Dartlin and Chuck Laurie where

441
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: they pitched me Darma and Greg. It was like they

442
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: pitched it and I saw the entire thing. I saw

443
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: all the success. I literally it was so right, and

444
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: I was just so connected to where I was at.

445
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: You know that, I was like, I didn't go home

446
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: and ask my agents, what do you think I didn't

447
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: ask my husband. I didn't. I literally said yes, let's

448
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: do it, and we shook on it right there at

449
00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: Jerry's delia venturable Art. And that felt really good to

450
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: just own me knowing this is the right thing. I

451
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: just could see myself in it. I don't know, it

452
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: was just beautiful. It was just those moments that happened

453
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: that you're like, uh, you cherished forever, you know. Yes, Uh,

454
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: for those of you Darman Greg five seasons to two

455
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: thousand two, Jenna wins the Golden Globe for her role

456
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 1: as Dharma, three Primetime Emmy nominations for Best Actress. Uh.

457
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: You know what you said is what I was thinking

458
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: about this morning. That there wasn't female characters like this

459
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: at the time. I mean it really, I don't know.

460
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: Did you ever talk about Lucy old Ball? I mean

461
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: to me, the boldness, the physical comedy that's really where

462
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: almost not since then was there sort of a central

463
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: female character that was able to do so much? Did

464
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: you ever talk about I Love Lucy or or were

465
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: there shows that that you found Darmin Gregg sprouting out

466
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: of I never taught. I didn't directly talk about I

467
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Love Lucy that I remember, But for me, I grew

468
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: up obsessed with I Love Lucy and have seen every episode,

469
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: oh every single one through wherever I had to get them.

470
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: I love my mom, love Lucille Ball, and I love

471
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: Lucie Ball. I loved it. I could watch it. Um.

472
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: It was just totally hit my jam as a kid.

473
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I enjoyed, like I said, Get Smart

474
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: and and Mash and all of these other shows. You know,

475
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: Judy Holiday and Born Yesterday is also like uber favorite

476
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: of mine because if you really watch her in that,

477
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, she's brilliant and I don't know, I it's

478
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: like one of those things where it was just an affinity.

479
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: You know, it just got my goose. You know, it

480
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: was just my jam and so it was inspiring to me,

481
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: and probably was. And and the Carol Burnett Show. I

482
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: love Carol Burnett, but you know, Tim Conway and Harvey

483
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: Corman were my jam. Like I was a little girl

484
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: obsessed with them. These two men, middle aged men that

485
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't get. It was like chocolate

486
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: fudge like I couldn't get enough of it. And so

487
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: I think that just when you watch as much of

488
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: it as I did it, it educates you. You know.

489
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: It's I was educated in physical comedy by literally watching

490
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: every single thing of those So I think that that

491
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: was just in my cellular spiritual, cellular makeup of an education,

492
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: you know. And maybe they wrote towards my physical comedy

493
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: from seeing townies. You know. I don't know how it

494
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: all came to be on that, how everything piece together

495
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: so well for me in terms of them writing, but

496
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: it was created for me. So maybe they just saw

497
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: what I had and wrote towards that, you know, right,

498
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 1: because you were in on it so early. Did you

499
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: screen test with the men? I'm talking, of course about

500
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: Thomas Gibson who played Greg. Did you did you have

501
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: something to do with the casting? Did you read with

502
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: him beforehand? Okay, yeah, yeah, they had me. I mean,

503
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: the show was my show and they created it for me.

504
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: So I was they had me in when they you know,

505
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: not every casting, but on the callbacks they had it

506
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: narrowed it down to a batch. And also with Thomas,

507
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: he came in and there was other guys who were

508
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: great you know, they were great, but he came in

509
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: and it was like the show was happening. I mean,

510
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: you might as well just turn the camera and it

511
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: was all happening that and it's dynamics and chemistry that

512
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: you can't put on a page. It's just that dichotomy

513
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: of his character and how he was raised and my

514
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: character and how she was raised. You know, he's a

515
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: lawyer and is like a no until it's a yes,

516
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: and she was a free spirit. It was a yes

517
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: until it was a no. And so those that dichotomy,

518
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: it was just worked. You know, it was just work.

519
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: It worked at that time, at that moment, it was perfect.

520
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: And I remember he read and left and I looked

521
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: at Chuck, and Chuck stood up and just made like

522
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: a home run swing, grand slam gesture, and we were like,

523
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: that was it. That was that was it? It was it.

524
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Yeah, it's it's interesting. We talked a

525
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 1: lot about this and my experience on the office, and

526
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: one thing that Greg Daniels, our showrunner at the time,

527
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: said is you can't write behavior right. You have to observe.

528
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: As you talked about earlier, it's about the very small

529
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: nuances that every individual responds to things in totally different

530
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: and unique ways. And as an actor, you you put

531
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: those in a bag and hope you can replicate them effectively,

532
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: But you can't write it. It just happens there in

533
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, And it's not even anything I thought

534
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: about either. Wasn't like I was thinking of behaviors. I

535
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: just knew the DNA the home base, you know, For me,

536
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: it's often finding what's the home base for a character

537
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: in terms of what's their main what are they in

538
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: at any given time, but what's the main thing that

539
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: they're in, what's their home base? And for her it

540
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: was yes, And so I just leaned into you know,

541
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: it was just yes, and and every character is different.

542
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: With NTV my characters, she's so insecure. Her space doesn't

543
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: extend more than like an inch and a half from

544
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: the front of her face. Like she's not extroverted, you know,

545
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: like she can't. So that then anything that came at

546
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: me was was just like, oh my god, because she

547
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: was suddenly her life was like a reality show literally,

548
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: and she's a ups driver and is just trying to

549
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: start this relationship with him, like and everyone in America

550
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: is giving their opinion it was, you know, so that's

551
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: where she was at. That determines once I locate like

552
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: the home base, then it brings about these behaviors that

553
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to sit there writing on the page.

554
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: It just comes because you know, that comes from that

555
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: home base. So anyway, I love that. I don't call

556
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: it a home base, but for me, it's the same thing. Yeah,

557
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: there's a physical characteristic. There's something physically about how that

558
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: character that you're creating moves in the world or exists. Yeah,

559
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: that tempo, like Kevin has an identifiable like meter, you

560
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And the way you held your body,

561
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: you just could set the meter at that tempo. I like,

562
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: you're in my house, Like I've watched so much. I

563
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: mean we're like on a kick for the last year

564
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: and a half, Like we're watching every episode of the Office.

565
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: And Randy Cordray, by the way, was the line producer

566
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: on both I Think Townies and definitely Dharma and Greg.

567
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: I love Randy. He's amazing. Uh, let me share him

568
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: in common. But yeah, I love I love watching you guys,

569
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: And it's so fun when you see wonderful actors that

570
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: are relishing the character they're creating and it's just is

571
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: that right fit at the right time for them. It's

572
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: so inspiring, you know, to watch where you are in

573
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 1: your mind and kinetic how it manifests kinetically, and it's

574
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: just so delightful to see that, especially, you know, knowing

575
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: what your rhythm and personality is as you and you

576
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: see the difference. You know, it's so fun to see

577
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: how you transformed yourself. Yes, well, thank you for that.

578
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: But yes, that idea that you talked about about, you know,

579
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: the space only exists two inches in front and if

580
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: anybody comes at it's that. Yeah, and I've talked about

581
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: this before, but for me, one of the things about

582
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: Kevin was he was not aware of his size in

583
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: the space and that and that he could not could

584
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: not rotate on on his hips, so there was no

585
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: there was no turning left or right. His entire body

586
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: had to move in that direction in order to look

587
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: that way, which takes time, which is about the rhythm

588
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: that you're talking about. Yeah, what what made you come

589
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: up with that? Did that? Just was it reading the

590
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: dialogue that then put you in that part of your

591
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: body that way and then that's what came of it,

592
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: or was it someone you saw that you're like, oh,

593
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: this is that guy? And then like where did that

594
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: come from? For you? Well, it's a little bit tricky.

595
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. You know, I did so

596
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: much theater that for me always the physicality was was

597
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: a part of it. So I guess based on the

598
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: words and how it was written and then translating that

599
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: for myself in terms of yeah, everything physically. So it

600
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: all always just kind of where it landed in. You

601
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: write that impression of that guy, you just kind of

602
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: landed in your body that way. Yeah, Exactly why did

603
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: the show end or was this a collective decision or

604
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: was this a network decision? And how how much time

605
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: did you know? At the end? It was such a

606
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: anticlimactic way to end for something that had been so awesome.

607
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: We you know, it was like any other year you

608
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: finished the season in May and or April, and your

609
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: wait to find out if you got picked up until

610
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: May and then it was like nope, you didn't, and

611
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: that was it. I mean, it wasn't like, hey, this

612
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: might be the last season. It was like it was

613
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: any It was a season like any other to my knowledge. Anyway,

614
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: if there had been talk of it maybe being the last.

615
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: I hadn't been informed, so I wasn't filming that last

616
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: season making sure I'm soaking it all in the way,

617
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like and with all the

618
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: all the ceremony that you would do if you notice

619
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: the last season of something you had all been living

620
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: with for five years. So it was so weird to

621
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: then just not be coming back to work after all

622
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: of that, And it was a mystery frankly for a

623
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: long time for me, and I ultimately that one of

624
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: the executives had then created his own production company or whatever,

625
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: and then I had worked on a show that was

626
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: with that production company and I later called him. I

627
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, can you answer something for me?

628
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: And uh, and he was like, you know, like the

629
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: licensing couldn't ultimately make a licensing deal with ABC in

630
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: a way that wouldn't cause it to lose money if

631
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: it went past five years. I was like, wow, really,

632
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: like that was it? That's it? Like that huh, wow,

633
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: that's a buzz kill. That's that's interesting. So thank you

634
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: for telling me. But you know, oh that's too bad. Yeah,

635
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: it was kind of but whatever. It was such a

636
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: great time while it lasted, and I'm so I pushed

637
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: and pushed and pushed and had been working very hard

638
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: to make the episodes available on DVD or you know whatever,

639
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: and UM was very insistent on that because I didn't

640
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: want it to just now be not available. And there

641
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: was some music licensing rights where the third season and

642
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: on couldn't be made into a DVD. So I got

643
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: the first two years released on DVD by pushing twenty

644
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: very hard, repeated for years, and then when streaming came about,

645
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: I was like, can we really look at that? I

646
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: asked my lawyer, can you call them, let's really look

647
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: at this, because now that might be different rules because

648
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: it's considered TV. And then it got packaged in a

649
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: thing and Hulu bought it, so now all five seasons

650
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: are available on Hulu, which just thrills me because I

651
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: just that was so much hard work and it's it

652
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: was such a beautiful time, and you know the response

653
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: from fans is so awesome. They just like become joyful

654
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: when they see, oh I loved you know, it's just

655
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: the effect Dharma created it, like and how much laughter

656
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: and they found themselves or some like with the office,

657
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, they find them or some part of their

658
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: family one of those characters and it makes them laugh

659
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: and gives them relief from life. Yeah, your character specifically,

660
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: I think socially in terms of you know, what the

661
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: show did had a very feminist perspective, and I feel

662
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: like showed, unlike many shows on television, a really strong, independent,

663
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: funny woman taking the lead. Are you proud of that

664
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: or do you see that as the show's legacy in

665
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: a way? You know? I I see it, Yeah, I

666
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: see it that in the most fun, charismatic way. You

667
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: can own your space and you don't have to be

668
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: an asshole, and you don't unless you want to, you know,

669
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: or you can. I mean, a woman frankly can be

670
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: whatever she wants. And but I loved that it was

671
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: she lead with love, but she was who she was,

672
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: and that there can be a lightheartedness to owning your space.

673
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: There can be a playful quality, not where you have

674
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: to diminish your power by being cookie or playful. You know,

675
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: you can be serious and however you want to do it,

676
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: but just that it can be loving and present and whole.

677
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: And I loved that about her. And I had a

678
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: lot of people write letters that were like going to

679
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: commit suicide, and they decided not to because Dharma showed

680
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: them that it's okay to be themselves, even if it's

681
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: quirky or offbeat or not the usual, It's okay and

682
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: it's worth sticking around. And I got so many of

683
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: those letters. It was like wow, you know, And so

684
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: I think there was this multidimensional effects of having fun

685
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: and being her fully and my enjoyment within that was

686
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: probably a bit contagious too, and improved the mood enough

687
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: that maybe they could think a little more clearly. However

688
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: that went down, but I do think it was an

689
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: an obvious feminist example, you know, right awesome and truly,

690
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was alive at the time

691
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: and watching television. I mean, I can't overstate what a

692
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: significant impact it had on television at the time it

693
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: was on. And I think also today and roles, be

694
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: it Mindy Kaling and the Mindy Project or uh Ellie

695
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: Kemper and Kimmy Schmidt. I mean, allowing women who are

696
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: potentially quirky but strong with strong personalities to to lead shows.

697
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: I think it has a huge effect on television today.

698
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Also by the tons of films, a bunch of comedies. Uh,

699
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: to name a few, six Wives of Henry Lafe, Love Heards,

700
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: Friends with Benefits, Big Stone Gap. Is there any film

701
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: that happened, say after Darman Gregg that you feel like

702
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: was able to transition and pivot you in a new direction,

703
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: be seen in a different way. I think Keeping the

704
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: Faith was one for me because for me it was

705
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: definitely transitional because I filmed it right, I don't know,

706
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: in the hiatus before one of the last seasons of

707
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: Dharmin Greg and I had to be a woman in

708
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: this film, and I frankly had only been a girl before,

709
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: and in Darmin Gregg it was a girl. You know.

710
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: I was so in that canetic cuteness of dharma that

711
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: it's like you're kind of scared to not do it

712
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: because it's really working for you, especially when just what

713
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: feels like just yesterday you were scrounging for top Rawman.

714
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you're a little nervous to not

715
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: do the thing that's like, you know, being lauded and stuff.

716
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: So but I that was with Edward Norton and Ben Stiller,

717
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: and it was Edward Norton's directorial debut, and we filmed

718
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: it in New York and it was, you know, these

719
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: three childhood friends, and I was one ended up becoming

720
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: obviously Edward Norton, the priest, Ben Stiller, the rabbi, and

721
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: I was the ships that they grew up with, who

722
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: became a very strong businesswoman, and they kind of reunite.

723
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: She comes back to New York for business and they

724
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: all reunite, and then a sort of love triangle ensues.

725
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: And Edward it was so cool because I really admire

726
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: him as an actor. You know, he helped me develop

727
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: that character. And so to work with someone I really

728
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: admired as an actor, it was like let it. Growing

729
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: my eyebrows in and lowering my voice, slowing the kinetic

730
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: factor down, slowing my everything down, speaking slower. I felt

731
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: like I wanted to die. I was so uncomfortable. I

732
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: remember that first day. I was scared to death and

733
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: we were, I mean, sweating and uncomfortable because I was

734
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: so far out of my comfort zone of what was

735
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: tried and true and that I had been working on.

736
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: And I mean, I also, this is so weird. I

737
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: ultimately somewhere in there I had hyper thyroid and had

738
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: gotten diagnosed maybe just before that or whatever, but I

739
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: had a hyperactive thyroid, which actually probably kind of contributed

740
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: to that kinetic aspect of myself that it was hard

741
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: to sit still or whatever. But it worked so okay.

742
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: But uh, but anyway, it was, for various reasons, very

743
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: hard to just slow down my speech, sit quietly, change

744
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: my whole thing to be this girl. And I didn't

745
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: feel connected to all the things I felt burning to

746
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: make the scene funny or to do these things. And

747
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: it was so different for me, and it was it

748
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: made me go from girl to woman using my craft,

749
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: and it was a really huge learning experience for me.

750
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: And I could prove to myself by doing that job

751
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: that I can be a woman. I can find power

752
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: and stillness. It's okay to feel that power that comes

753
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: up when you are still, because frankly, if you're always kinetic,

754
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: it is a dispersal your you could dilute your power.

755
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: And so I think that was also part of the

756
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: awkwardness and uncomfortable, was like being still, it's powerful, and

757
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: I was kind of scared of that until I got

758
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: used to it. Yes, that's so interesting. So now in

759
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: a well, I would call it a very big departure

760
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: from at least what you're known for. Obviously you have

761
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: done dramas, but it doesn't get any more dramatic than

762
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: Fear the Walking Dead? Were you a fan of the

763
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: Walking Dead before Fear of the Walking Dead? Were you

764
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: aware of this show? Were you a fan? I was aware,

765
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: because I don't know how you could not be aware

766
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: of it, of the whole Walking Dead universe. Um, I

767
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: was certainly aware in terms of my personal kind of

768
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: where I would go to for entertainment. Zombies wasn't the genre.

769
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: Horror wasn't my genre in terms of like, this is

770
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: not where I leaned, you know, I would you know,

771
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm sort of late to certain things. But and and

772
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: that transition from where I was in my mental artistic

773
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: journey to that arriving and landing in my lap was

774
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: like couldn't have come at a better time, And it

775
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: would like kind of saved my joy, my artistic joy.

776
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Like I was really in a kind of a rut

777
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: and kind of bummed out at like how things had

778
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: progressed on shows that I had done, and was tad

779
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: worked so hard to make things work, and I wanted

780
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: to start spressing myself artistically in a new way. I

781
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: had to reinvent myself because I wanted to do something new.

782
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: I needed a new challenge. And it lands like ten

783
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: days after making some adjustments in the structure of like

784
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: you know, my representation or whatever and sorting some things out,

785
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: it May called and offered me the job. And then

786
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: at that point I promptly watched every episode of The

787
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: Walking Dead and Fear the Walking Dead. That was a

788
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: lot of viewing. Um, but I felt like, this is

789
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: a huge entertainment universe. The fandom is as a character

790
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: in this piece, and all the mythology is its own thing,

791
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, I need to like fully go

792
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: in all the way and educate myself on this, and

793
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: in doing so, I became a fan myself, and I

794
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: really loved the storytelling, you know. So it's it's been

795
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: really three sixty lots of good sensation for me. Yeah,

796
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: your experience now having been on the show a long time,

797
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: do you do you feel that the environment around work

798
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: is different than a comedy or not? For me, it is,

799
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: it's a totally different experience. And I don't know if

800
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: that's just drama comedy or like this Walking Dead universe,

801
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: because it's there's drama, but there's a mythology to it.

802
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: So in terms of how character stories connect and bounce

803
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: off each other, they're very circular, especially because we had

804
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: crossover characters from Walking Dead to Fear. So when I

805
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: joined the show it it had gone through like a

806
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: revamp of sorts in season four and they had really

807
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: brought it even more under that umbrella and started connecting

808
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: story and character more rather than two different shows. So, um,

809
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: I had a lot to learn, and so I my

810
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: whole process with the script and everything I had to

811
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: I felt like I was starting over. I literally felt like,

812
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, wait a second, in terms of how

813
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: much I have to understand story wise. Um, so, yeah,

814
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: it's been challenging in the greatest, most stimulating way. Yeah,

815
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, love it. I have

816
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: a great friend. Don't know if you've run into him,

817
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: Cary Peyton. I love Cary. I love, love love Cary. Yes,

818
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: we went to school together. Actually, you know, he's talked

819
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: to me a lot about I Mean, there there's fans

820
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: that they're always rooting for certain things, or they don't

821
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: like certain characters, or they don't want certain storylines. But man,

822
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: with the Walking Dead thing that I mean the fans

823
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: have it all figured out and mapped out, and well,

824
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: my understanding is if you, if you veer away, you

825
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: risk the wrath of of the fans because a lot

826
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: of them know no more than anybody. Oh they do,

827
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: but they analyze and re analyze and slice and dice

828
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: and examine and flip on every edge and corner. And

829
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: it's admirable. Actually it's pretty amazing. But that's what makes

830
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: the Walking Dead universe so special is it invokes that

831
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: in you. It invokes this like real examination of characters

832
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: and intentions and consequences and really forces you to look

833
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: at all of this. I really admire the commitment of

834
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: the fans. It's quite something. I've never seen anything like it. Yeah,

835
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: in addition to your work there, you are taking the

836
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: podcast universe by storm, You're you're veering very, very heavily

837
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: into my lane. Just make sure you stay on your own.

838
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: Not one, but two podcasts. Kicking and Screaming with your

839
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: husband body not for children? I love that. Are you

840
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: having fun with him doing that? Oh? Yeah, I love it?

841
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: You know it's it's we felt like we actually wanted

842
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: to do a scripted comedy about marriage starring the two

843
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: of us, uh, because we felt like any show about

844
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: marriage we had seen was either um sort of like

845
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: multi cam light or like let Me Kill Myself now,

846
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: single camp about marriage, and we couldn't. We never have

847
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: seen anything kind of in between where it captures the glory,

848
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: the torture, the politics, the games, the love, the French everything,

849
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of became its own thing,

850
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: and you know, every kind of person seems to relate

851
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: to it. We don't like give advice. We just talked

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Speaker 1: about our own ship in a humorous, very straightforward way.

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Speaker 1: And we also felt like, you know, celebrities or public figures,

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Speaker 1: their relationships always seem managed by publicists and made private

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Speaker 1: and you never really know, and we just thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: for crying out loud, let's just talk about it. Marriage

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Speaker 1: is funny, like relationships are funny, and so we just

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Speaker 1: love talking about it and we are best friends and

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Speaker 1: we have been through everything. Yeah, well thirty one years,

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Speaker 1: that's a long time. So there's Yeah, there's definitely not

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Speaker 1: not a need for new topics. I have to say,

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Speaker 1: what you were just talking about about television shows, It's

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Speaker 1: so true. There either has to be a major problem

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Speaker 1: or or everything is just perfect and hunky dory, yeah

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Speaker 1: and incidental and yeah, yeah, I'm married myself. There's this

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Speaker 1: is more than all those things. Thanks, you're complicated and

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Speaker 1: they can be equally awesome and terrible at the same

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, you're like so glad they're there and you

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Speaker 1: can't wait for him to get out of the house

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Speaker 1: at the same time with equal force and passion. Also,

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Speaker 1: your friend, Heather Dale, all the things now I have

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Speaker 1: I have listened, I have listened to kicking and screaming.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about all the things I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know about all the things when I'm we moved to Austin.

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Speaker 1: She I met her and we just hit it off

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Speaker 1: and we always have these fun conversations, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: we just were like, let's talk about it publicly. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about all the things that we talked about. And

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, it's a little like pandemic born of

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Speaker 1: you know, is there anyone else out there kind of

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00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: needs a friend. Let's share our friendship with them, because frankly,

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Speaker 1: I was feeling a little lonely. It felt so good

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Speaker 1: to meet her and have the sisterhood, you know, in

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Speaker 1: my neighborhood. And that's really what it is, and we

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Speaker 1: talked from you know, more serious subjects to like stuff

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00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: and we film it and it's on YouTube or you

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00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: can listen. But we're kind of cute to look at,

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00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: so you know, you can watch it on YouTube, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just fun. Frankly, and the longer I've

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Speaker 1: lived my life and the more I've seen in this

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Speaker 1: world doing things that actually are fun are really important. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you are fun. You are fun. And also you

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Speaker 1: moved to Austin, Texas, and I'm there's a huge part

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Speaker 1: of me that's very jealous of you. I feel like

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Speaker 1: everyone is moving to Austin, Texas. Austin's read that really is.

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Speaker 1: It's a great city. Really, I never thought i'd live

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Speaker 1: anywhere else. I'm like, I'm I'm so hardcore Angelina like

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Speaker 1: that's through various factors of the filming, the pandemic. I

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00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: started homeschooling my kids myself, and it just made sense

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Speaker 1: to live where I was filming instead of all the

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Speaker 1: commuting and stuff. It's awesome. Congratulations on Austin. By the way, Jenna,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for talking to me. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your openness, your thoughts. Again, I'm never going to forget.

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Speaker 1: Everyone is working together to create one moment and everyone

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00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: is on the same page, and it's really the only

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Speaker 1: time in the world that that happens, and that's a

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Speaker 1: special thing. Yeah, thanks so much for talking to me.

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Speaker 1: It was such a pleasure to get to know you

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Speaker 1: a little bit. And good luck in Austin. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Jenna listen. You are the best

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00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: and I am not just saying that because we podcasters

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00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: have to stick together, all right. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me today. I cannot tell you how much

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it and how much I enjoyed meeting you

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Speaker 1: and for you listeners, Thank you for joining me as well.

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Speaker 1: on the at Off the Beat, Instagram, anything to let

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Speaker 1: me know how you're liking the show. In fact, one

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Speaker 1: lucky listener who leaves a comment or review, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to choose your comment or question and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: feature it in an upcoming episode, so stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining me, and we will see

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Speaker 1: you next week for another episode of again my favorite podcast,

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Speaker 1: Off the Beat. Off the Beat is hosted an executive

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Speaker 1: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our excutive producer Langley.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Diego Tapia, Liz Hayes, Emily Carr, and

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Speaker 1: Hannah Harris. Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary. Our

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Speaker 1: theme song Bubble and Squeak performed by my great friend

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Speaker 1: Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed by seth Olandski