Speaker 1: As media. So look, for some reason, the News decided
Speaker 1: to ratchet itself up to just crank the gain to
Speaker 1: like just unimaginable levels. Whether it's McCarthy had asked, whether
Speaker 1: it's the Matt Gates of it all, whether it's Trump's trial.
Speaker 1: You know, government shut down, and we still ain't even
Speaker 1: talked about the freedom fight in Palestine. You heard what
Speaker 1: I said, freedom fight, y'all. Listen, I'm gonna get into it.
Speaker 1: But remember like I told y'all when we first talked
Speaker 1: about the Israel Palastine stuff, Nigga, you wasn't outside. You
Speaker 1: don't understand. You think anybody using a term unprovoked, it
Speaker 1: means you ain't been following this series. Like it's just bro,
Speaker 1: this is like we're in like season twelve episode. If
Speaker 1: you really, like if you jumping in now and you
Speaker 1: think that this this war just started, just yeah, you
Speaker 1: ain't been following along anyway. There is so much for
Speaker 1: me to cover, But I still have so much in
Speaker 1: the can because I was being responsible and making sure
Speaker 1: that I had enough episodes in the can so that
Speaker 1: I'm not stressed out every week. Anyway, I'm on here
Speaker 1: to tell you that I got all that coming. But also, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know. Last week me and
Speaker 1: Matt started dropping some music podcast so we drive we
Speaker 1: made it. There's a Hood Politics mixtape. It's called The
Speaker 1: Wednesday dropped this first.
Speaker 2: Off, you want to face it up point in the
Speaker 2: course of patience given reward to wait and listen the
Speaker 2: hooker informing y'all my mission.
Speaker 1: I'm clear on my mission. Yes, y'all don't know. There's
Speaker 1: like five six more we're gonna drop a monthly man, Like,
Speaker 1: go to any of your streamers, you know, Apple, Spotify,
Speaker 1: all the things. Some of y'all use Amazon, I guess,
Speaker 1: and man, yeah, it's under my name propaganda, it's under
Speaker 1: Matt Alsowski. We unfortunately aren't allowed to drop music under
Speaker 1: the Neighborhood Politics because iHeart has that and for some reason,
Speaker 1: the streaming systems don't let the two worlds mix like
Speaker 1: music and podcast world. They don't. You can't. It's not allowed. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't make the rules either way. Check it out, man,
Speaker 1: the Wednesday Drop. We got more songs come. I got
Speaker 1: a song called Yemenise Beans. I can't wait for y'all
Speaker 1: to hear that. Yeah, Nah, it's fun, man, Matt be
Speaker 1: making these beats, we might as well might as well
Speaker 1: wrap on them. All right, now, let's talk to Jake
Speaker 1: han Rahim. There we go, all right, we in the game,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Another special politics situation. We go call
Speaker 1: his hood oligarchs because listen, man, listen, if you know
Speaker 1: anything about just like I asked one of my New
Speaker 1: York homies, Jake first of all, got the homie Jake
Speaker 1: Hanraham on here, you know, live from the UK, say
Speaker 1: what's up to the folks? Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh. I
Speaker 1: asked some of my New York friends, like, because there's
Speaker 1: this thing with like the just like like New York
Speaker 1: has its own sort of like we all know, its
Speaker 1: own like sort of like street culture. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what's the history behind the like track suits, Like when
Speaker 1: did that become like a hood thing or even like
Speaker 1: you know, like New York dudes, if you look at
Speaker 1: like the guys like from Griselda, like you have, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they do like Conway do that like side
Speaker 1: mouth kind of like you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: that's just that like side mouth gully thing. And I'll
Speaker 1: be like, yo, where did that come from? And Mahmie
Speaker 1: was like the Italians. Yeah, yeah, like you said, it's
Speaker 1: like they just got it from them. It was like
Speaker 1: you just look at the way that they've perfected you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like street entrepreneurship. It was like
Speaker 1: a lot of time, that's where we got it from,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, so I think too,
Speaker 1: like what was now we didn't have out here in
Speaker 1: LA We didn't have that as far as like Italian
Speaker 1: kind of mafia stuff. The only like organized crime we
Speaker 1: had that wasn't just like street level stuff were the Russians,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's who were like the most organized
Speaker 1: out here, Like you know that are like Chechean like
Speaker 1: up yeah similar, yeah yeah, like up in the valley
Speaker 1: like and we just knew that they were organized and
Speaker 1: remarkably violent, just exceptionally violent, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So you would just try to set up your like
Speaker 1: basically your supply chain, you'd have to run through either
Speaker 1: them or like the or Mexican you know I mean.
Speaker 3: But anyway you have to get that permission.
Speaker 1: You have, you have to go through them, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's where the product comes from, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But anyway, all that to say we're here to talk
Speaker 1: about one Jake Show said are the Oligarchs, which is
Speaker 1: on Network If you don't already know, Jake is is
Speaker 1: if you don't know, also one of the most fearless people,
Speaker 1: just like you just not scared. I'm scared of flying.
Speaker 1: That'll make no sense to be Jake, I'm scared of well,
Speaker 1: I guess, like I guess, like I guess it's like
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe in Europe because y'all, y'all can
Speaker 1: take trains and drive everywhere, you know, the turbulence. It
Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, I feel you, But y'all could be
Speaker 1: on the ground and get to like you could be
Speaker 1: you know, you can get to another country in a
Speaker 1: couple hours, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's not our life.
Speaker 4: You feel like, you know, you can't even get across
Speaker 4: the country like that fam no your own country and
Speaker 4: like you have to get It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Bro, California. Tip to tip. If you're driving, that's like
Speaker 1: eleven hours, you know, so like, yeah, like it's a
Speaker 1: long time. You know.
Speaker 4: From the tip of the top of England, well at
Speaker 4: the top of Scotland to the moment of England is
Speaker 4: about eight hour drive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a.
Speaker 4: Little bit more than that, like maybe like ten hours,
Speaker 4: but you know that's it's the whole country.
Speaker 1: Yeah place. Yeah, Kelly's Kelly's a drive bro. That's funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Jake Jake B. If you guys don't know, we've
Speaker 1: had them on the show already, but Jake B Jake
Speaker 1: has show popular front is kind of how I got
Speaker 1: hip to him, and we had it like if y'all remember,
Speaker 1: we had him to talk about like the different sort
Speaker 1: of conflicts across the world and to kind of just
Speaker 1: put us on game there. What I want to talk
Speaker 1: about now is just the just just the proof, like
Speaker 1: like the see that I told you about. We've had this, Jake,
Speaker 1: We've had this. I mean we're talking all the way
Speaker 1: back to like before Hood Politics was on Cool Zone,
Speaker 1: before there was a cool Zone, before were on iHeart,
Speaker 1: like our our principal was, you know, especially when you're
Speaker 1: talking about like when when Trump kind of became a
Speaker 1: thing and he was, you know, sort of interfacing with
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. The stance from Hood Politics was like I
Speaker 1: know a killer when I see one, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think Trump knows he's a killer, you know, because
Speaker 1: of That's what I'm saying. Trump knows Putin's a killer,
Speaker 1: which is why he'd be so like Rudy Pooty, like
Speaker 1: kissed this man's ass every time you see he's like,
Speaker 1: that's a killer. So you could talk tough as much
Speaker 1: as you want, but you already know that little man
Speaker 1: that's a foot shorter than you, like, you know, saying
Speaker 1: you're scared of him? You scared of you? I said, like,
Speaker 1: you're not fooling us, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: and to be honest, you should be like you should
Speaker 1: be scared of that man, you know. And and again
Speaker 1: you know the premise of like if you understand sort
Speaker 1: of street life, kind of like you come from that
Speaker 1: sort of violent sort of background, you understand politics, and
Speaker 1: he is the embodiment of that, to where you looking
Speaker 1: at this man and him looking at you dead in
Speaker 1: his face after you watched him commit some sort of
Speaker 1: crime and then him be like, I ain't do that.
Speaker 1: What did you see? Did you see anything? You ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing? What are you going to do? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Fuck, you don't do anything. What are you going to do?
Speaker 1: Like exactly nothing? Hey how about this? Shut the fuck up?
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Set the fuck down, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and give me my lunch, you know, so exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like, well, I will cool like an opera
Speaker 4: are and I don't get in the military sentence like
Speaker 4: he can operate. Not to say he's good, it's horrible,
Speaker 4: but he's an operator in that sense and always has
Speaker 4: been his whole career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's yeah, and it's so clear. Like you said,
Speaker 1: so the premise of your show said, oligarchs, go ahead
Speaker 1: and tell tell them about that, and then we'll get
Speaker 1: into what we're gonna do for this show. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so sad oligarch.
Speaker 4: Basically, in the space of around twelve nine to twelve months,
Speaker 4: over a dozen very rich Russian tycoons died. Now they're
Speaker 4: not all necessarily start up oligarchs, but you know, the
Speaker 4: Western media always just says oligarchs. So we were like, okay,
Speaker 4: kind of tongue in cheek, we'll just say everyone's the
Speaker 4: oligarch's easy to understand. And then the sad part is
Speaker 4: because these people would die of mysterious circumstances and then
Speaker 4: the Russian authorities would be like, oh, yeah, they were depressed,
Speaker 4: they killed themselves, they fell out of the window, and
Speaker 4: you know, and it got to the point where I
Speaker 4: was looking at it and I was working on this
Speaker 4: with my friend Sergey slip Sergey slip chen Koi he's
Speaker 4: a Ukrainian reporter, looking at this, and it was like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is too weird.
Speaker 3: There's too many happening. We started connecting the.
Speaker 4: Doors other reporters that also covered these like individually, and
Speaker 4: they kind of put two and two together. But when
Speaker 4: we kind of put the map together, we were like, wow,
Speaker 4: that's a lot of people dying in very similar communities.
Speaker 4: You know, a rich Russian often involved with gas electric
Speaker 4: ties to the Kremlin, and they're dying in the most
Speaker 4: mysterious ways, like one guy got poison with frog venom.
Speaker 4: Three of them all in a circle, killed their whole
Speaker 4: families and then themselves, which when we spoke to a
Speaker 4: expert on that kind of stuff, she was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I've never seen that happen like that in my life,
Speaker 4: Like this is very rare, So I guess the short
Speaker 4: The short thing is, it's an investigative podcast series looking
Speaker 4: into the deaths of very wealthy Russians who all have
Speaker 4: died in mysterious circumstances over a dozen of them in
Speaker 4: the last year or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that term, that term mysterious is doing
Speaker 1: a lot of work in them. Yeah. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's almost comical, like it is. It is point,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's silly, you know, it's yeah, it's on yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I remember when he first, you know, started sort
Speaker 1: of like demanding lunch money from the Ukraine. We started
Speaker 1: saying over here, like at some point, I thought, at
Speaker 1: some point the oligarch, you know, that community is going
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, bro, you fucking up the money,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And if you fucking up
Speaker 1: the money, yeah, like now we got nigga, you need
Speaker 1: to stop. And I thought the only people that could
Speaker 1: possibly do, you know what I'm saying, put some sort
Speaker 1: of like brakes on this man, are those because they like,
Speaker 1: you fucking up the money, like you know, we've been
Speaker 1: here way too long.
Speaker 4: That's what happened, kind I mean, yeah, that's exactly the
Speaker 4: way it went. Like a lot of these people, for example,
Speaker 4: like lou Coyle. I think it's the second biggest oil
Speaker 4: and gas company in the whole of Russia.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: The board members released the statement very early on being like, hey,
Speaker 4: we don't support this, you know, we hope that this
Speaker 4: can be settled quite a strong word than considering there
Speaker 4: in Russia and within the space of six months, two
Speaker 4: of those people were dead in mysterious circumstances, and a
Speaker 4: lot of other people that came out against the war
Speaker 4: also got very sad and killed themselves or died at
Speaker 4: the bottom of their pool. And yeah, and like yeah,
Speaker 4: basically what you said you think would happen happened when
Speaker 4: it stopped, because people start dying. Yeah, because because fully
Speaker 4: gloves off. Yes, because he is exactly what we think
Speaker 4: he is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like his moment with Limbad in Ukraine.
Speaker 4: I really feel it was like, I mean, there wasn't
Speaker 4: much of a mask there anyway, but it was the
Speaker 4: full the last remnants of the mask is off now,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. Yeah, like no ever, like this is
Speaker 1: our theater for me to actually like I remember his
Speaker 1: last like his last election when he said that he
Speaker 1: got eighty percent of the vote, Like eighty.
Speaker 4: Bro, you got eighty Yeah, eighty in a country of
Speaker 4: like was like six hundred million or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, country that's like this the like a six of
Speaker 1: the Earth's like land Mass is Russia and you're telling
Speaker 1: me eighty percent of them, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's hilarious.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of stuff like that as well,
Speaker 4: Like you read it and it's like the thing is
Speaker 4: Russians no, it's nonsense as well, but they have a
Speaker 4: different mindset. I've always referred back to a book. One
Speaker 4: thing I really learned from it. There's a book called
Speaker 4: Nothing Is Real and Everything Is Possible. Very good book
Speaker 4: about the kind of difference between Western I guess, like
Speaker 4: culture of understanding their government versus the Russian and the
Speaker 4: Western It was like it was more so like American
Speaker 4: and Britain. It was like when their government says we
Speaker 4: didn't do that, the Americans go, wow, we really didn't.
Speaker 4: But then when the Russians say we didn't do that,
Speaker 4: the Russians go like, yeah, sure, we didn't do that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So they know it's true, they know they're being
Speaker 4: lied to, but it's the this is where is the
Speaker 4: other side they actually believed the bullshit?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Like like what is it? Is it trust?
Speaker 1: But verify? Is that the that? The thing? Yeah? But yeah, no.
Speaker 1: It's like and that's that that sort of understanding is
Speaker 1: like something that I sort of know very well of
Speaker 1: like where it's just like, well, no, we want to
Speaker 1: liberate and we're like, oh word, okay, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very American thing. Yeah, we liberated the
Speaker 4: oil from the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah. You know, they were being they were
Speaker 1: being oppressed. It was a communist regime.
Speaker 4: We had to stop moving, sure, man, Yeah, we can't
Speaker 4: let them decide.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it's not like not like they don't
Speaker 1: know what they want or need. Yeah right, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally you know what I'm saying. And and I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, you you you grow up in the type
Speaker 1: of like cities that I'm from, and it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's this. This is again, this is why I felt
Speaker 1: so equipped to do this show, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when yeah, when like you know, Wan comes in with
Speaker 1: like a big old shiner, black eye, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and you know, his backpack stolen, and then
Speaker 1: the and then like the teachers like what happened, Like
Speaker 1: we're all we all know what happened. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying like you have to be there, but we
Speaker 1: all know, and you like, He's like, yeah, you know, Michael.
Speaker 1: Michael's like, I don't know. I ain't seen nothing. You've
Speaker 1: seen anything. It's like, I don't I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: he failed. I don't know. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: we all know, we all know what happened. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But if Michael say he ain't doing look,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna challenge him. I know what he did.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, we all know what he Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not my business. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep the heat off myself. So with the
Speaker 1: with the again surprise accidental air quotes, uh death of pregosion.
Speaker 1: I would love to This is where I want to
Speaker 1: do this. I would love to without knowing any like,
Speaker 1: without knowing very minimal actual factuals. I just would love
Speaker 1: to do this. I want to say what I think happened,
Speaker 1: from from their friendship to him trying to do a coup,
Speaker 1: to him getting exile, to him dying, just essentially from
Speaker 1: if this were if this were to happen in our neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: This is what I think with Dow and then what
Speaker 1: you can what you could do after that, Jake is
Speaker 1: come in and be like, Okay, this is what actually happened,
Speaker 1: like or like yeah, this is it. Got that right,
Speaker 1: got that wrong? Got that you know, kind of close
Speaker 1: feel me, I'll get it. Yeah, definitely, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: so here we go. So to me, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: start from the beginning. You got you got two guys
Speaker 1: young before they got put on. From what I understand,
Speaker 1: Progusion was already a street dude. He was already rough,
Speaker 1: already like hustler, knew how to get it out the mud,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like he was already there.
Speaker 1: Meets meets a young upshot who chose sort of the
Speaker 1: like in some ways had that in him, but went
Speaker 1: the corporate route. He's like, I'm gonna do the I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the you know, I'm gonna play the game.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the suit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Play nice, but like, don't get me wrong, like I'm
Speaker 1: about this life too, you lounder it, Yeah, exactly, Like
Speaker 1: he's a pretty boy at a group, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like one's the muscle. The other is a
Speaker 1: pretty boy. So they link up right knowing that you know, again,
Speaker 1: pregosion not a game. They understood each other because they
Speaker 1: clearly come they're clearly cut from the same cloth. So
Speaker 1: they understood each other right. And again it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: it's it's the no new friends situation. It's somebody that
Speaker 1: you knew when y'all was in the trenches. You know,
Speaker 1: when we was out in the field, was in the trenches.
Speaker 1: When we when we get on the come up, we're
Speaker 1: gonna look at it. We're gonna look out for each
Speaker 1: other because we've been down since day one. That's my
Speaker 1: day one. So Pagaulsion, he gets this, gets this hustle
Speaker 1: with like the hot dogs. He's got, Yo, this the lick.
Speaker 1: I'ma I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start doing this food lick,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like and that that'll be
Speaker 1: kind of how I'll get put on. Like we said,
Speaker 1: Vladimir goes the you know, the KGB route, sort of
Speaker 1: the politic route. And then once Black gets put on,
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, I'm gonna look out for my folks,
Speaker 1: finds us, finds his homeboy again, doing this cooking thing.
Speaker 1: How about this, I'll hire you for here. Get your bread,
Speaker 1: stack your bread. You know what I'm saying. Make sure
Speaker 1: so that when I come up, you come up right.
Speaker 1: And then also from what I understand that Progosion was,
Speaker 1: was he in charge of like like gambling, like gaming
Speaker 1: for a while. Uh? Probably?
Speaker 3: He was involved in so many different businesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but like in the government, like he was
Speaker 1: in charge of like the ministry of something.
Speaker 4: Nah he was he he well, he kind of got
Speaker 4: involved with the private military contractors.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So so eventually, you know,
Speaker 1: lad moving up in the ranks, bringing his boy with him,
Speaker 1: who was in the mud with him. He's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna always be togethered on trip. They believe in
Speaker 1: each other. They feel like they cut from the same cloth.
Speaker 1: Progosion probably thinks like, no, man, like I knew you
Speaker 1: when we were sharing this, when we were sharing borsch
Speaker 1: my nigga, Like you know what I'm saying, like nothing
Speaker 1: of like don't don't stunt on me, homeboy, like I
Speaker 1: was in the streets with you, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: like I feel like Progosion probably always felt one because
Speaker 1: he was the brawler while Vlad was the pretty boy
Speaker 1: that it was like, I'm pretty sure, like he don't
Speaker 1: want to smoke with me. We we kind of been
Speaker 1: you know we we we've been in this together. Me
Speaker 1: and you got this understanding. Gojian gets this idea of like, yo,
Speaker 1: I could actually make money from this, from this fighting shit.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Puts together, this puts together
Speaker 1: this army. Right, goes to his boy that's got a
Speaker 1: job in the government and he's like, look, we could
Speaker 1: run this play, you know what I mean. So they
Speaker 1: start running the play. Vlad is now all the way up.
Speaker 1: They making money everywhere, you know, they you know, he
Speaker 1: got wars everywhere. Vlad I feel like he probably believes
Speaker 1: again it's stuff. I don't know, you can feel the same.
Speaker 1: I feel like Vlad in him probably like you know,
Speaker 1: both of them knew had all the like the books
Speaker 1: were open with both of them because they because they've
Speaker 1: known each other for so long. It's like, not, it's
Speaker 1: what we're doing, you know, mask off this what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Here's the move. Let's do this in Africa. Yo, if
Speaker 1: you do this, send jojo dudes. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying I could tell these people this, this will be that,
Speaker 1: and we just and the money just rolling in money,
Speaker 1: rolling in money, rolling in everybody good. Power is always good,
Speaker 1: and everybody's thought could always be just like, well, that's
Speaker 1: just the chef, you know what I'm saying, Like you
Speaker 1: just cooked mad And I imagine Progoson being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: keep thinking that, yeah, just keep yeah, I'm just the cook.
Speaker 1: You're right, I'm just the cook. Right. And I imagine
Speaker 1: once the Ukrainian things starts happening, now let's move it
Speaker 1: into this and again my antennas, I imagine once the
Speaker 1: Ukraine things started moving in, Progosion thought it was a
Speaker 1: bad look. He was like, again, fucking up the money.
Speaker 1: But I've known you forever. Let's just do what we
Speaker 1: gotta do. I'll do what I gotta do. I feel
Speaker 1: like you setting me up for failure here, and I
Speaker 1: don't like taking ls because it got me making look
Speaker 1: because then it sucks up the moves I'm making everywhere else.
Speaker 1: So you got me looking like a herb out here.
Speaker 1: And then this bullshit ass military commander you got that
Speaker 1: actually worked for you, he don't know what the fuck
Speaker 1: he's doing. Nobody in y'all's army is trained. Y'all got
Speaker 1: us looking like herbs out here, you know. And I
Speaker 1: imagine he probably telling Vladimir all this the whole time,
Speaker 1: where he's just like, what the like, you gotta stop
Speaker 1: this shit, like this shit is not working either that,
Speaker 1: or tell your train your boys or tell your boys
Speaker 1: to get the fuck out our way, like let us
Speaker 1: just do it and we'll just finish, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But also fam like I'm running like seventeen
Speaker 1: other missions for you all over the world, like come on, gee,
Speaker 1: like why is this shit so important to you? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But again they they once, so
Speaker 1: it's like no one I'll ever know this. I'll never
Speaker 1: tell nobody what I think about this because I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna make you look bad in front of these people.
Speaker 1: But I think in his harder parts, he was like,
Speaker 1: this fool's tripping and I don't know, like he's fucking
Speaker 1: up the money. I don't know what we're doing, but
Speaker 1: I'll go do this now. I think at some point
Speaker 1: Progosion started realizing like, wait a minute, this man is
Speaker 1: not He's a different person now, so I can't really
Speaker 1: talk to him the way I used to be able
Speaker 1: to talk to him, and I probably I better make
Speaker 1: sure if I disagree. I don't know how do I
Speaker 1: make sure that I still don't look like a bitch
Speaker 1: and I don't make you look soft. So my thought was,
Speaker 1: I'll just blame your minister, your minister, your commander. I'll
Speaker 1: just blame that, you know what I'm saying. And so
Speaker 1: he's like, your boy don't know what he's doing, because
Speaker 1: again I don't want to look bad, but your boy
Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing, and he's fucking up our mission.
Speaker 1: He got us all looking like chumps. And then eventually
Speaker 1: he was like, all right, I feel like what we
Speaker 1: would call progusion was feeling froggy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you feel froggy, I mean you jump, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And he's like, all right. So he
Speaker 1: was like you know what. It was almost like he
Speaker 1: had his own come to Jesus moment where he's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I got a whole army, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it just clicked one day, like
Speaker 1: wait up, wait a minute, I don't have to stay
Speaker 1: for this shit. You know what I'm saying. So he
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonna make my move. Your
Speaker 1: military soft you can't really fight back. I've tried to
Speaker 1: use our thirty years, forty years of friendship to try
Speaker 1: to talk some sense into you. Clearly, you need to
Speaker 1: know what the fuck it is you like you went
Speaker 1: to the you You You've been sitting on your ass
Speaker 1: over here. You've sending other people to poison fools, like
Speaker 1: You're not really about to smoke no more. I'm still outside,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like So, so I
Speaker 1: get I get the way you move. I get it, nigga,
Speaker 1: but you're not ready really for the smoke, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, and I tried to go to
Speaker 1: nights read. I tried to blame your homeboy, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it. So he makes his move. The move
Speaker 1: don't work. And like we always know, if you shoot
Speaker 1: at the King, you bet not miss. But this fool missed,
Speaker 1: and it's missed it a big way. And I imagine,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna turn both of these men into black men,
Speaker 1: because that's the language that I understand, right, So I
Speaker 1: imagine when they finally set sat down, putin was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck do you think you are? Like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck you think this shit is? You got me again?
Speaker 1: You got me looking like a bitch out here, and
Speaker 1: you know I can't have that, you know. And I
Speaker 1: imagine and I imagine the Belarus guy being like, well,
Speaker 1: hold on, fellas, okay, guys, hold on and come on, guys,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, we're friends. And then because again the
Speaker 1: Belarue dude trying to get in good with Vladimir anyway,
Speaker 1: and he's like, look, man, yeah, yeah exactly, and and
Speaker 1: and Putin being like, all right, get your boy, get
Speaker 1: your boy. You know what I'm saying, And then him
Speaker 1: looking him in the face and being like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I hear you. If I even smell your cologne in
Speaker 1: my airspace, you know what I'm saying, like and proges
Speaker 1: to be like I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. Right, and there's this click because I know
Speaker 1: this look, and I'm telling you, I know this look
Speaker 1: when somebody goes all right, man, we'll squash it's cool.
Speaker 1: Just just don't come around here. It's like I've been yelling, exactly,
Speaker 1: it's not you already know it's not. Squashed. I've already
Speaker 1: decided I'm gonna kill you, like you've already decided it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But this dude says you
Speaker 1: can come over here, and he goes, huh, all right.
Speaker 1: He's so the play was already ran in his head.
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, I'll get out there. I'll not look
Speaker 1: like a dick by not killing this man immediately, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give it some time, you feel me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show some mercy. You know. I'll even tell
Speaker 1: your army because again, they can scrap that. He's like, look,
Speaker 1: if y'all want to no questions asked, y'all, could you
Speaker 1: me It's not like you guys weren't doing a thing.
Speaker 1: Your leader just kind of lost his mind for a
Speaker 1: little bit. But we've been friends for so long. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let this one slide because I'm a good man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and like and then and
Speaker 1: then looking at him being like, okay, sure, yeah, go
Speaker 1: ahead and live over there. But he's like, nigga, you
Speaker 1: better take up farming. You better forget all this shit disappeared.
Speaker 1: Change your name. I don't care, leave your family, leave
Speaker 1: your children, do not come listen, do not? I better
Speaker 1: nobody can't nobody have your initials. If somebody say the
Speaker 1: first letter in your name in my presence is up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then this food, and
Speaker 1: then Progoson has the nerve to be like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna plane. I'm on a plane. I just got
Speaker 1: to finish a few things. I promise I won't stay.
Speaker 1: I just need to finish some whole things. And I
Speaker 1: imagine Vladimir leaning back in his chair being like you
Speaker 1: need to get what now? You need to come get? Okay? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, you know what. You come to your drawer,
Speaker 1: no problem, no problem, come through. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And they're just like leaning over to it on me
Speaker 1: and he's like it's time, homies, Like yes, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And they were done prep the missiles.
Speaker 1: Where'd you come in? Oh, I guess it's today, fellas,
Speaker 1: I guess the end of the day. You making it
Speaker 1: easy for us. I thought i'd have to send somebody.
Speaker 1: I thought i'd have to send someone of the bellar roots,
Speaker 1: like you know I'm saying, because because you put him
Speaker 1: in belaruts, because I ain't Finnah, stop you like you
Speaker 1: said you scared of me anyway. You know. So when
Speaker 1: I decide, hey, homie, I'm gonna come kill that guy
Speaker 1: that I am out here, and you're gonna shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up and watch me do it, that's what you
Speaker 1: gonna do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's kind of like that. I'm kind
Speaker 4: of not but a lot of it is. I think
Speaker 4: a lot like that, but a lot.
Speaker 1: Of it is.
Speaker 3: I mean it kind of is like that. It's just
Speaker 3: different timeline.
Speaker 4: So, okay, proversion and progosion and Putin didn't know each
Speaker 4: other when they were like young, right, I mean they
Speaker 4: when they were younger, but not like from day one
Speaker 4: or anything.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 4: Okay, So progosions like this mad criminal. He gets like
Speaker 4: a load of suspended sentences and that didn't deter him.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, no, I'm a lunatic. I don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 4: goes and like strangles this woman, goes to like rob
Speaker 4: her with like three other criminals, and instead of robbing her,
Speaker 4: he's like, this total fucking sadist. You're not like the
Speaker 4: nutty guy that you just don't don't bring him around, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he turns.
Speaker 1: Up to the party.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go, you know what I mean, even though
Speaker 4: you don't know me, I'm just gonna go because I
Speaker 4: know Somethingeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's that kind.
Speaker 4: Of guy, I think. So he strangles this woman, nearly
Speaker 4: kills her, like you know, she passes out whatever, robberies
Speaker 4: arm robberi's house breaking and that the court said, right,
Speaker 4: you're going in for ten years. So he's in prison
Speaker 4: throughout the like kind of end of the Soviet Union,
Speaker 4: the whole of the eighties. He's in prison, gets out,
Speaker 4: the Soviet Union's collapsing, and you know, he's a criminal,
Speaker 4: so he he knows how to make money. He's learned
Speaker 4: loads of stuff in prison now, and Rush has a
Speaker 4: very especially back then, had a very tight knit, secure
Speaker 4: network of like criminal businesses even in prison. It's just
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like the same imagine in America,
Speaker 4: the same in England. Like for young lads in England.
Speaker 4: People go to prison, it's like crime university. You know,
Speaker 4: you're good. They come out with like one hundred new contacts.
Speaker 4: So whatever that happens, it's the most perfect storm. The
Speaker 4: Soviet Union's falling apart, all the gangsters are now suddenly
Speaker 4: able to loaner their money and make legit money.
Speaker 3: They get rich very quickly.
Speaker 4: So he does that and he's involved with all these
Speaker 4: criminals and he gets a loan from one of the
Speaker 4: criminal networks and he opens up a restaurant, right, and
Speaker 4: he's like, right, I want this to be real fancy,
Speaker 4: and he does make it fancy. You know, he has
Speaker 4: the money and he opens another one and he opens
Speaker 4: in it opens it on the river in Saint Petersburg,
Speaker 4: which are like a beautiful spot, calls his place New Island, right,
Speaker 4: that's his that's his restaurant.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So however, you know, word gets out. Vladimir Putin is
Speaker 4: doing his thing, you know, on the side. The whole
Speaker 4: time this is happening. Blad's in power, he's getting to power,
Speaker 4: and Russia needs a loan from the i M F right,
Speaker 4: the International Monetary Fund.
Speaker 3: I mean we all know what they're like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but them times they were like, all right, we'll
Speaker 4: give Russia some money. So they were unsure. They come
Speaker 4: to they come to Russia to be like better not
Speaker 4: be the USSR anymore, Like yeah yeah yeah, and they're
Speaker 4: like no, no it's not, we'll take you out. They
Speaker 4: take them to this fancy spot and they end up
Speaker 4: through knowing people. And I think what you're saying is right,
Speaker 4: Like Putin is like that, they're like the pretty boy.
Speaker 4: The more he's like more like string of bell, you
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying, He's like more stringer belt. And
Speaker 4: then Progosion is like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't even know, I don't even want to. So who's
Speaker 1: the other guy that the main.
Speaker 4: Guy on on why anyway? I can't remember his name,
Speaker 4: But so he's like the other guy, like the more
Speaker 4: like gangster guy, and yeah, Progosian is that guy. And
Speaker 4: then you know, like like Putin is more in like
Speaker 4: you know, doing things legal, but he's got that in him,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, he's definitely I don't think
Speaker 4: it's so much the criminal element. I think that he
Speaker 4: Prutin's so ruthless that he realizes that you need people
Speaker 4: like Progosion to stepping stones from things that you don't
Speaker 4: want to do, you know, Yeah, you need that rule
Speaker 4: about us side. Okay, I'm not gonna he's not gonna
Speaker 4: learn the boxing, but he's gonna have a guy that
Speaker 4: is you know what I mean, and then turf him
Speaker 4: as soon as he needs to so he kind of
Speaker 4: sees I think you're right, Like he sees like this,
Speaker 4: you know, he's like.
Speaker 1: I see this guy, I know who he is.
Speaker 4: He Okay, yeah, he's got a nice fancy restaurant, but
Speaker 4: he can do dirt, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I know he's done dirt.
Speaker 4: So it takes the if there to Progosion's restaurant and
Speaker 4: everything goes well. They get this huge, huge loan and
Speaker 4: kind of off of that. That was not just that,
Speaker 4: but that was the start of like Russia being able
Speaker 4: to rebuild into this, like, you know what was a
Speaker 4: really thriving economy after all after all the hell that
Speaker 4: it put everybody through. I should say thriving, I mean
Speaker 4: thriving for the rich people. Well you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 4: for like in his class, everyone else got absolutely screwed.
Speaker 4: This is the thing, like there's I mean, certainly I'm
Speaker 4: not fucking pro USSR or pro Styling or anything like that,
Speaker 4: but the way we get told the history of how
Speaker 4: like oh yeah we just had to get rid of
Speaker 4: East Germany and that and then everything was fine. No,
Speaker 4: it was terrible, Like it was really bad for them
Speaker 4: for everybody, the poor people, you know, no matter what
Speaker 4: side that they lost. So anyway, so well they won freedom,
Speaker 4: you know, okay, but they still were broke. And so anyway,
Speaker 4: that's all happening, and you know, Progosions then he's real,
Speaker 4: real cozy enough to putin.
Speaker 1: Puot's like, all right, you know, he's a guy you
Speaker 1: can rely on. He made things right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So then he's like, okay, well we got some contracts
Speaker 4: we need you know, we need the food. The schools
Speaker 4: need food. You got a catering You've got a restaurant,
Speaker 4: and by this time Progosion had started a catering business,
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, so he's like, okay, well you you know,
Speaker 4: you do food and that. All right, here's a contract.
Speaker 4: So Progosion, you know, he was never actually in the
Speaker 4: military or anything, but he wanted to get into like,
Speaker 4: you know, doing the food and stuff like that Ford
Speaker 4: for the Russian military.
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I mean, it's it's a hazy thing.
Speaker 4: But eventually, long story short, they get that deal for
Speaker 4: the food to the military, and just through them dealings,
Speaker 4: I mean, the food stuff is kind of irrelevant. I
Speaker 4: think it's like you're saying, it's just the circles they're
Speaker 4: in Putin's like.
Speaker 1: You are that guy.
Speaker 4: You know, as bad as Progosion was, he was that guy.
Speaker 4: He will do the most horrible stuff, and he has
Speaker 4: no conscience, he has no morals, he has no qualms.
Speaker 4: So they kind of have this friendship kind of partnership.
Speaker 4: By his point, both of them are a billionaires, you know,
Speaker 4: like like Progosion was a billionaire by the time he
Speaker 4: died through various dodgy dealings and whatever. So then in
Speaker 4: Syria at this time later on, there's like loads of
Speaker 4: years later, like when when you know, or decades later,
Speaker 4: there's this like kind of mercenary unit and they go
Speaker 4: and try and take on some Jahadis factions I believe,
Speaker 4: and they get absolutely wasted by the Jahadists. But the
Speaker 4: few that kind of leave and like get out, you know,
Speaker 4: the Russian military is like, all right, that's maybe someone
Speaker 4: recognized that we could use we could use some mercenaries.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they can do some day you
Speaker 4: work for us, So they all right, come here. Basically
Speaker 4: they formed Wagner, the kind of the Russian government form Wagner,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I mean they found it themselves.
Speaker 4: But it was also this idea like oh no, it's
Speaker 4: nothing to do with us. It was everything to do
Speaker 4: with them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess said, like the first Wagner base was
Speaker 4: literally on like a Russian special Forces base, like physically
Speaker 4: they had the same building.
Speaker 1: So that all happens.
Speaker 4: And at this point Progosion gets involved with Wagner and
Speaker 4: he was the guy that because obviously he's a criminal,
Speaker 4: but he's got loads of money he has with the
Speaker 4: shell companies, you know, like any politician would. He wasn't
Speaker 4: a politician, but like any politician has both in the
Speaker 4: West and in Russia. And he's like, look, I can
Speaker 4: help fuel, I can help buy fuel, I can help buy.
Speaker 1: Vehicles, body arm or whatever.
Speaker 4: So he starts becoming kind of a financier of Wagner
Speaker 4: denies his involvement for years, and then at some point
Speaker 4: he becomes like the guy like you know, he's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: actually I'm the Wagner guy.
Speaker 1: And so he I think two things.
Speaker 4: I think he was such a brutal person that this
Speaker 4: actually there was a personal interest in He wanted to
Speaker 4: be in this club.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just financial. It's like I want to.
Speaker 4: Be in these are his people, you know, like mercenary
Speaker 4: people that want to and Wagner were never that good
Speaker 4: at fighting.
Speaker 1: There's this myth that they're like special forces.
Speaker 4: It's bullshit. They've never been very good like on the battlefield.
Speaker 4: What they're good at is doing the most nasty ship.
Speaker 4: They're just so if you say, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 4: we've arrested ten prisoners of war, but what do we
Speaker 4: do with them, I don't know, give him to them guys,
Speaker 4: they'll probably execute them, all okay, cool.
Speaker 1: Hey, just yeah, so like that's that's interesting. That's an
Speaker 1: interesting wrinkle on them because I knew that, like the
Speaker 1: list of war crimes under their belt is insane real.
Speaker 4: And they you know, there's a famous video where they
Speaker 4: kill a man in Syria with like a combat shovel,
Speaker 4: like cut him to bits with a shovel, and they're
Speaker 4: just like laughing about it. Famous video where they smash
Speaker 4: I think it might be a part of that video,
Speaker 4: like smash them in the head with a sledgehammer. And
Speaker 4: whilst you know, obviously military's every militias, factions, whichever politics,
Speaker 4: they will do war crimes.
Speaker 1: Trust me, yeah, of course, you know, it's a very
Speaker 1: funny thing.
Speaker 4: I'll be at war with like you know people, You'll
Speaker 4: hear people online and they're like, oh, well, the leftist
Speaker 4: militia don't do war crimes, Like oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah they do, yeah, oh yeah they do. Yeah everyone
Speaker 1: at war, Yeah, everyone war crimes. But these they just
Speaker 1: have no code. There's no right.
Speaker 4: These guys are like the like you know, the Michael
Speaker 4: Jordan of war crimes. You see what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: that on top, and not only that, they start wearing
Speaker 4: it as a badge of honors. So they smash a
Speaker 4: guy in the head with a sledgehammer and then they
Speaker 4: start using the sledgehammer iconography almost as like a logo.
Speaker 4: Yeah with them guys, Like, that's how dark they are,
Speaker 4: you know, that's how fucked up it is.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. There was this guy out here in in
Speaker 1: Uh he's passed away now and he's reformed, but his
Speaker 1: name was Monster Cody and he wrote a book. He
Speaker 1: was a original. Like there's there was two big crip
Speaker 1: gangs out here in LA that one still exists. Well,
Speaker 1: they both still exist. But uh, there's Rolling sixties and
Speaker 1: there's eight Trays, which is eighty third straight Rolling sixty.
Speaker 1: That's a nifty hustle. You know what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's very big U. And then there was a Trays
Speaker 1: which is on the East Side and they've historically beefed,
Speaker 1: but them they're they're like sort of like star Like
Speaker 1: one of the biggest names that was the guy that
Speaker 1: was all on the news and stuff like that when
Speaker 1: it was just like was this guy named Monster Cody
Speaker 1: And what they used to say about him was that
Speaker 1: was that that type of violence was so fun to him,
Speaker 1: like just just over the top, like you know, yes,
Speaker 1: and and was like so he you know, you just
Speaker 1: beating people mercilessly and smiling, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And then at the end of it being like y'all,
Speaker 1: y'are trying to go get a burger, like just didn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's he wrote it. He wrote an incredible
Speaker 1: book about this and about what he's became later. Like
Speaker 1: so it's not like I'm breaking no code by saying
Speaker 1: this because it's in his book, but like that dude,
Speaker 1: that's just like yeah, yeah, you know, And I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty sure you know, you probably know
Speaker 1: a guy when you were in high school that you
Speaker 1: were like, dude, if nobody grabbed a hold of this dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you just be like, don't fight him. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it is something weird. Now he might try and pull
Speaker 1: your eye out. Leave that alone.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, I mean if I remember reading once
Speaker 4: about you know James Whitey Bulgier, right, like the head
Speaker 4: of the Irish mob in Boston. Yes, there's a horrible
Speaker 4: anecdote from one of his like underlings where he says,
Speaker 4: they're in this basement, there's this guy. They think he's
Speaker 4: been snitching, and he pulls the guy's teeth out of
Speaker 4: his head like.
Speaker 1: You know, like jaws them out. Yeah, pulls him out,
Speaker 1: kills him, like beats him.
Speaker 4: To death with like I don't know, like I can't
Speaker 4: even remember what, but like kills him like brutally. And
Speaker 4: then they said he like he did it covered in
Speaker 4: blood and he's like I'm tired, and then he just
Speaker 4: takes a nap right afterwards. Yeah, it's like how like yes,
Speaker 4: next level, Yes, inside there he's like, you pull the
Speaker 4: guy's teeth and kill him. Adrenaline isn't even up, Like
Speaker 4: I'm just tired. Yeah right, I'm tired. I'm this is boring,
Speaker 4: like you know, just weird.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like uncomprehensible, like viciousness, and from all accounts
Speaker 4: like progosion, even himself. People have said, like even before Wagner,
Speaker 4: he was a sadist, like he was known as that.
Speaker 4: Like I said, he strangled a woman unconscious for no
Speaker 4: fucking reason, just to rob her.
Speaker 1: You know. So he's a bad guy.
Speaker 4: So he you know, And and Dmitri Utkin, who was
Speaker 4: like the kind of founder, kind of head commander of Wagner.
Speaker 4: His call sign was actually Wagner, named after Richard Wagner,
Speaker 4: Hitler's favorite composer.
Speaker 3: Because the head of Wagner is a neo.
Speaker 4: Nazi, complete with SS tattoos and swastikas on his chest,
Speaker 4: which is ironic because they were sent into the Nazifi Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, load loads of the there's so there's a hell
Speaker 4: of a lot of neo Nazi groups in Russia that
Speaker 4: are now fighting Ukraine to the Nazifi it but war
Speaker 4: is a strange thing. So yeah, So so he you
Speaker 4: know him and can get on great. You know, they're
Speaker 4: both like evil motherfuckers. They're both like ideologically like horrible
Speaker 4: and and they both want to do with his power.
Speaker 4: It's like what they want to do. It's less about
Speaker 4: building up Russia and more about building up this fiefdom
Speaker 4: that they have. It's like this is our gang. And
Speaker 4: honestly that's what Vagner was. It was like like yeah,
Speaker 4: like you're kind of saying like a street gang, but
Speaker 4: on with the weather, whether what's at risk, what's at
Speaker 4: stake is literally global.
Speaker 3: Terrorism, like global conflict.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, you know, like they've done war crimes in Africa, Syria, Ukraine.
Speaker 1: So then yeah, so then yeah, the African ones is
Speaker 1: where they where I first heard their name, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? It was just howful who? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And yeah, yeah, well you'll.
Speaker 4: Love this, right, this was very funny. So after, you know,
Speaker 4: we'll go back to it. But after Progosion got smoked
Speaker 4: in the plane, some pictures of Progosion with some like
Speaker 4: African guys. I think he's in Mali and you know,
Speaker 4: like they're doing his selfie and the like. They have
Speaker 4: no idea who was clearly the like who's this random Russian? Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then they put out there and they're like, oh uh,
Speaker 4: Progosian was a good friend of you know, of the
Speaker 4: African people. Many there called him the new Nelson Mandela,
Speaker 4: no joke.
Speaker 1: That's what they said.
Speaker 4: Firstly, Progosionism was an ardent racist his whole life, Yeah
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And he was the head of.
Speaker 4: Fucking neighbors country, yeah right, Neil Natzien. And he's literally
Speaker 4: been killing Africans. Yeah yeah, so that's the kind of
Speaker 4: nonsense there on. But yeah, so he goes. You know,
Speaker 4: eventually Varda gets deployed to Ukraine clearly to do dirty work.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of very strong evidence they've been committing
Speaker 4: more crimes, and there's some reports that from the very top,
Speaker 4: from progosion himself, gave the order kill everyone, and then
Speaker 4: the soldiers as well. There's kids and aces. I said
Speaker 4: kill everyone, right, so they're killing kids, and I've been
Speaker 4: out there. I've been out there. Kids are getting killed,
Speaker 4: trust me, like women, children, loads of corpses with their
Speaker 4: hands tie behind their back.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Rush has been doing some serious nasty stuff out there.
Speaker 4: So they're doing all this stuff. But then clear it
Speaker 4: becomes clear in the battle for Bakhmu that like you know,
Speaker 4: Ukraine are not backing down. They've got spirit, they got
Speaker 4: hert and they've got a lot of weapons from America.
Speaker 4: In the West, so it's not going to be the
Speaker 4: walk in the park. Theyfore and as I said before, Wagner.
Speaker 3: Are not that good at fighting.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: They've always been put in as like to be the
Speaker 4: guys that go through the meat rind up.
Speaker 1: That's what they were always used for.
Speaker 4: They're not military, and Rustans just go, well, it's not
Speaker 4: our guys. They chose to be their Arerea. So that
Speaker 4: happens and something in we don't really know why, but
Speaker 4: you know, because Progosion has seen this happened before. But
Speaker 4: there's a big difference between fighting a state that has
Speaker 4: millions of people that are volunteering to protect their country
Speaker 4: and also have weapons from the West and you know,
Speaker 4: jets and tanks versus killing some Jahadi somewhere, you know.
Speaker 4: So obviously Progosians men start getting fucking slaughtered and they're
Speaker 4: trying to saying to the Russians like, hey man, we
Speaker 4: need we need some assistance, and the Rusians like your vagumer,
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 1: What you're you're talking about? Yeah, that's why we.
Speaker 4: Say, like you guys, yeah, yeah, you're you're here to
Speaker 4: get killed basically, So not that explicitly, but I think
Speaker 4: that was what was understood basically, yeah, basically, and then
Speaker 4: it gets to the point where, I mean, we don't
Speaker 4: really know why something happened, but I think I was
Speaker 4: talking to PFO great research, and it was all about
Speaker 4: this stuff. Something just snapped in in progosion, and his
Speaker 4: theory is perhaps just seeing I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 4: drone footage of Wagner losses. You're talking like seven, eight,
Speaker 4: ten bodies, higher piles of corpses. You know, like their
Speaker 4: guys were getting slaughtered. So imagine walking through that every
Speaker 4: single day your unit, they're there, insignia is on and
Speaker 4: they're your guys, and a lot of So Russia did
Speaker 4: this mad thing.
Speaker 1: They did a penal conscript.
Speaker 4: So they started recruiting like murderers, rapists, whatever from prison.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, you go and fight for Wagner. We'll let
Speaker 1: you go when you get free.
Speaker 4: It just so happens that some in the end they
Speaker 4: got free and they went back to their town and
Speaker 4: killed people again.
Speaker 1: Anyway, because because they're murderers. Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 4: I couldn't see that happening, and I think Russia just
Speaker 4: presumed everyone would get killed.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, man. I feel like there had to have
Speaker 1: been a pride issue somewhere in there where it's just like.
Speaker 4: And he was a convict, remember, yeah, yeah, he's seen like,
Speaker 4: hang on, these are myse.
Speaker 1: Are my dudes?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And at some point he genuinely snaps and just starts
Speaker 4: putting it out on telegram and being like what the
Speaker 4: fuck is going on?
Speaker 3: He starts with like the.
Speaker 1: Ministry, starts with the commander, and then.
Speaker 4: Before you know, it was literally openly slagging off pootinahing
Speaker 4: like what are you doing? And boy, he claims that
Speaker 4: their position was shelled by Russian special forces or whatever.
Speaker 4: There's no actual evidence of that, and the footage they
Speaker 4: put out it looks faked. I think he just said
Speaker 4: that's what happened because he decided that was it now.
Speaker 4: And yeah, man, they jump on the tanks and they
Speaker 4: ride on Moscow.
Speaker 1: You know, four hours Yeah, you know, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: Man, he starts riding on there and and there's some
Speaker 4: I be honest, I first thought I thought this is
Speaker 4: like a plot between poot In and Progosion, But having
Speaker 4: spoken to people a lot more informed than me, no,
Speaker 4: it was legit.
Speaker 1: You know. It was just like, man, there's some bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'm tired yeah, yeah again, like that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: where he's like, wait a minute, I'm the murderer, I'm
Speaker 1: the crime, right, Like that's what he was saying, You're yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're the pret palace.
Speaker 4: We're on the front exactly. So essentially he turns around,
Speaker 4: rides on Moscow. I think they got within like three
Speaker 4: hundred kilometers. It was pretty crazy, and there's this weird
Speaker 4: narrative where people like, isn't it funny though, like you know,
Speaker 4: like nothing ever happened actually, you know, like a few
Speaker 4: Wagner tanks got blown up by like Russian Air Force.
Speaker 4: You know, like there was serious there was some fighting,
Speaker 4: people got killed, but anyway, it was. It was weird,
Speaker 4: though there was I do think that maybe some people
Speaker 4: were wondering, like is this going to be a real thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe we need to decide which side we're going to
Speaker 4: be on, and maybe people were hesitant.
Speaker 3: But whatever, it was never gonna work. The movie mooting,
Speaker 3: he was never gonna work.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, putting sends out progosion, funk off
Speaker 4: go to Belarus. You see that footage right where they
Speaker 4: go through his house, like one of one of his
Speaker 4: mansions in Russia and like there's all these photos of
Speaker 4: like Progosion dressed up and all like fancy dress and
Speaker 4: like disguises so we could travel around the world the year,
Speaker 4: which was funny. But then yeah, I mean Progosion was
Speaker 4: back in Maley, he was back in Africa. He went
Speaker 4: to Mali in West Africa and god no, you know,
Speaker 4: doing some funckery there of course.
Speaker 1: And then he's.
Speaker 4: Flying back, goes to uh Saint Peter's goes to Moscow.
Speaker 4: As he's flying to Saint Petersburg or the other way around,
Speaker 4: I forget, his.
Speaker 1: Jet gets blown out the sky. Yeah he's on.
Speaker 4: Board as well. And you know what putting just went,
Speaker 4: I will kill you. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Like
Speaker 4: you haven't got away with this, bro.
Speaker 1: There has to be like you know, I've you heard
Speaker 1: a phrase like like make sure you tap in when
Speaker 1: you come somewhere. Yeah yeah, yeah, you gotta get there.
Speaker 1: You got to get the check, right, Yeah, you better
Speaker 1: tap here, like you better go check. Yeah, like he
Speaker 1: was in Mali, he was like arms stop by Moscow
Speaker 1: right quick, like this nigga tap in, you gotta You're
Speaker 1: just gonna come into the hood like you didn't even
Speaker 1: say nothing. You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was that or it was just like
Speaker 1: do you mind if I stopped by and he's like Noah,
Speaker 1: I don't mind.
Speaker 4: I think that I think he was like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: like I think he was planned. But I think from
Speaker 4: the second progosion did dot mutiny in the second ye
Speaker 4: like he's gone, this guy's done.
Speaker 1: I have to Yeah. It's almost like yeah, he had to.
Speaker 1: He had to kill, you know, like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's the and I imagine because there's
Speaker 1: no way in the world progoson don't know the code
Speaker 1: because you're you against it too, so you just have
Speaker 1: to know, like ship, do you.
Speaker 4: Really think he was gonna get away with that? That's
Speaker 4: why I don't get no either.
Speaker 1: You he was so felt, so froggy that he was
Speaker 1: like I know I could pull this off. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's what I think it was.
Speaker 1: He was just like again like na, this nigga's soft,
Speaker 1: Like you can't keep up with me, Like you know,
Speaker 1: you haven't been killed, you haven't killed the way we've
Speaker 1: been killing for all the time.
Speaker 4: Let's get He got like fewed by that realizing.
Speaker 1: That your army is trash. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: started believing his own hyghe like we're brawlers. And then
Speaker 1: and then it didn't work. That's what I was like, again,
Speaker 1: shoot at the king, you bet not missed, and then
Speaker 1: he missed.
Speaker 4: It's very it's very weird, Like I would love to
Speaker 4: know that conversation between them three to stop the mutiny,
Speaker 4: you know, like what did he say? I think, I
Speaker 4: I don't know I have I mean, I don't want to,
Speaker 4: like I guess, but like there must have been some
Speaker 4: like very heavy, thinly veiled threat, you know, like how's
Speaker 4: your wife? Yeah, totally, how's your kids? You know, like yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know when you don't know?
Speaker 4: Was a guy that gave a ship about his family?
Speaker 1: Yeah, progos. I just think he like yeah, like obviously
Speaker 1: a speculation, but it's getting from where the way you
Speaker 1: described him is like what I thought about him too,
Speaker 1: where I'm just like you like you know the rules,
Speaker 1: like you know the rules like if you if you
Speaker 1: do this, you know you have to die. You know,
Speaker 1: you know it, you know what I'm saying, Like and
Speaker 1: maybe it was like maybe it was a negotiation on
Speaker 1: some like well, look, you still got all these missions,
Speaker 1: we still got all these missions. We run it over here,
Speaker 1: you know. And then yeah, and then the I feel
Speaker 1: like the Belarus dude was like almost like an audible
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like this would have
Speaker 1: like he just saw his opportunity, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and just kind of took his shot. And I imagine
Speaker 1: Lad being like perfect, yeah yeah yeah yeah, no problem,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, just go just just go to exile.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no problem. It was a couple of dies.
Speaker 4: It is weird though, this why at the start I
Speaker 4: thought maybe this was a double cross, maybe the whole
Speaker 4: thing was planed ye, and then he was gonna kill
Speaker 4: him anyway. But for people I spoke to that like nah,
Speaker 4: that's what happened. So I don't know, I guess, but
Speaker 4: it was weird, like how.
Speaker 1: The fuck did he know? Know?
Speaker 4: And I think what really prove it was it's I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not good at well, I mean, fuck him, like
Speaker 4: they're all scumbags. Like in pregosion, nothing of nothing of
Speaker 4: value was lost when these people died. But my point
Speaker 4: is it kind of proved our our a lot of
Speaker 4: our a lot of our investigations in sad Oligarch. When
Speaker 4: you look at it, it's like, Nah, it can't be
Speaker 4: this ridiculous, it can't be this. And then when this happened,
Speaker 4: it was like it really is this way.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're all being killed by the Kremlin,
Speaker 4: and I don't even know for certain that anyone was
Speaker 4: killed by the Kremlin. But if you listen to this series,
Speaker 4: I think you can make your own mind up.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not.
Speaker 4: Trying to we're not the cops. We're not trying to
Speaker 4: say what happened, but we think we know what happened,
Speaker 4: and we're putting things together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like the worst kept secret to where
Speaker 1: you're just like, right, but we all know, like.
Speaker 4: This culture of violence within the same circles is in
Speaker 4: you know, it's been going on for years. In fact,
Speaker 4: the USSR had like an actual phrase within the government
Speaker 4: which meant, I forget what it is, but it basically
Speaker 4: was like a phrase for how to kill one of
Speaker 4: your political rivals, but perfect it like basically like the
Speaker 4: art of assassination where it looks like an accident. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I feel like now it's just yeah that maybe
Speaker 4: was an accident, but everybody knows.
Speaker 3: It's like I want you to know.
Speaker 4: I need to have enough like deny, I believe, but
Speaker 4: I want you to know. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like that's that's to me, that's the art because
Speaker 1: the first story window thing is hilarious. To me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: were you you fell out of a first story window?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, that was the second story but it was two
Speaker 4: days before his friend died in the same fucking hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that stuff is like, yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: a week wink, you know what I mean, Like it's
Speaker 1: of course. So to me, that's that's like you said,
Speaker 1: that's what they perfected to where it's like I am
Speaker 1: making it obvious I did it, but clear but you
Speaker 1: can't but not obvious I did it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I did it, Yeah, but you know
Speaker 4: who did it? But you know exactly, it's like the O. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson thing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's basically that book, Like, yes, what's the book?
Speaker 1: Like if I did it? Yeah? Or something like like
Speaker 1: what it is. Our last episode was about that to
Speaker 1: where we were like that's what our recorded where it
Speaker 1: was like, okay, listen, it's a far gone conclusion among
Speaker 1: the black community. We was all like, nah, he guilty,
Speaker 1: like he killed that lady, Like we we all know
Speaker 1: he killed Yeah, of course he killed that lady. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I going to tell y'all that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you're that insane, like if you can
Speaker 4: go and do that and then joke about it in
Speaker 4: books afterwards, whatever you say to me, I'm going along
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is.
Speaker 4: Brood Okay, Yeah, I believe you're like I'm gonna leave
Speaker 4: before I get killed or something. You see that clip
Speaker 4: where like he sees Ruby Wax and the like she
Speaker 4: opens the door and he's like pretending.
Speaker 1: Like like what do you what are you doing that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Really not the actions of a like.
Speaker 1: Innocent mind. Yeah, absolutely weirdo. He's weirdo, just a weirdo.
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny, but it's fucked up. He's clearly
Speaker 1: Yeah sadism. Yes, the gift he gave us that jay
Speaker 1: Z like just in his song The Story of Oja,
Speaker 1: where he just nails it where he's like, oh, j B,
Speaker 1: like I'm not black, I'm o Jay and he's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: he's just okay, sure, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, man on his own world you think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you really think the rules don't apply to you? Bro,
Speaker 1: you're weirdo y yeah, yeah, it's just a wish weirdo.
Speaker 1: All right, Jake, Jake, thank you very much for doing
Speaker 1: this with us.
Speaker 4: Man, Doug, might I heard that made sense? I know
Speaker 4: it's mad complication, No, no.
Speaker 1: No, no, it was perfect because it sounds like, like
Speaker 1: seriously one of the biggest like uh deterrents for me
Speaker 1: actually like getting deeper involved into like sort of like
Speaker 1: gang life, was sitting on the porch and having to
Speaker 1: keep up with shit like this, like yeah, like you can't.
Speaker 1: It's like you miss one party and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this dude we went to middle school with, we all
Speaker 1: homies with, now he's the enemy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And in this and this fool got drunk and this
Speaker 1: girl now messing with him. I just like I can't
Speaker 1: keep up with all this. So you just so so
Speaker 1: the way that the stories be moving, and then you
Speaker 1: don't know, and then you can only know part of
Speaker 1: it because you don't want to snitch on your homeboy.
Speaker 1: So the story don't make sense when he's explaining it
Speaker 1: to this because his piece is missing, because we can't
Speaker 1: tell you the actually what happened, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you're just like, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened, you know.
Speaker 4: So there's a real to keep in your mouth closed sometimes,
Speaker 4: you know, bro, That's why I love in the hard way,
Speaker 4: you know, because you get your mouth smacking.
Speaker 1: Like in these situations. Yeah, just shut up. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened. Look I survived, I'd be like, look
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there, couldn't keep his fucking mouth shut. And
Speaker 4: now he's a toast.
Speaker 1: Now he's yeah, now he's fertilizer. Yeah all right man,
Speaker 1: So politics, please make sure you uh you you tap
Speaker 1: into this out. All the episodes are out now.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we got one more on next week.
Speaker 4: It's like the last episode had to be a two
Speaker 4: part because it's about progorg.
Speaker 3: It's just so complicated. But yeah, it's pretty much done now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So thank you so much man for
Speaker 1: doing this please follow us that all the guards please
Speaker 1: tap in the popular front man, like that's what it's called, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not tripping, Yeah okay, wait yeah, it was like
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Speaker 4: And you know, we're a little bit different in that
Speaker 4: we're not like against were reporting. We're an alternative, like
Speaker 4: we always say we kind of It's like we're reporting
Speaker 4: from the perspective of the people as opposed to the
Speaker 4: analyst to we're reporting with the hot left and that's why. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you very much, man, all right, mat
Speaker 1: thanks for having me appreciate it of course. Yo yo.
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