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Speaker 1: And then also from what I understand that Progosion was,

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Speaker 1: not He's a different person now, so I can't really

425
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: talk to him the way I used to be able

426
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: to talk to him, and I probably I better make

427
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: sure if I disagree. I don't know how do I

428
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: make sure that I still don't look like a bitch

429
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: and I don't make you look soft. So my thought was,

430
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: I'll just blame your minister, your minister, your commander. I'll

431
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: just blame that, you know what I'm saying. And so

432
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: he's like, your boy don't know what he's doing, because

433
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: again I don't want to look bad, but your boy

434
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing, and he's fucking up our mission.

435
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: He got us all looking like chumps. And then eventually

436
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: he was like, all right, I feel like what we

437
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: would call progusion was feeling froggy. You know what I'm saying.

438
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: When you feel froggy, I mean you jump, you know

439
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 1: what I mean. And he's like, all right. So he

440
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: was like you know what. It was almost like he

441
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: had his own come to Jesus moment where he's like,

442
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I got a whole army, you know

443
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it just clicked one day, like

444
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: wait up, wait a minute, I don't have to stay

445
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: for this shit. You know what I'm saying. So he

446
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonna make my move. Your

447
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: military soft you can't really fight back. I've tried to

448
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: use our thirty years, forty years of friendship to try

449
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: to talk some sense into you. Clearly, you need to

450
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: know what the fuck it is you like you went

451
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: to the you You You've been sitting on your ass

452
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: over here. You've sending other people to poison fools, like

453
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: You're not really about to smoke no more. I'm still outside,

454
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like So, so I

455
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: get I get the way you move. I get it, nigga,

456
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: but you're not ready really for the smoke, you know

457
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, and I tried to go to

458
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: nights read. I tried to blame your homeboy, and I'm

459
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna do it. So he makes his move. The move

460
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: don't work. And like we always know, if you shoot

461
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: at the King, you bet not miss. But this fool missed,

462
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: and it's missed it a big way. And I imagine,

463
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna turn both of these men into black men,

464
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: because that's the language that I understand, right, So I

465
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: imagine when they finally set sat down, putin was like,

466
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: what the fuck do you think you are? Like, what

467
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: the fuck you think this shit is? You got me again?

468
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: You got me looking like a bitch out here, and

469
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: you know I can't have that, you know. And I

470
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: imagine and I imagine the Belarus guy being like, well,

471
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: hold on, fellas, okay, guys, hold on and come on, guys,

472
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: come on, guys, we're friends. And then because again the

473
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: Belarue dude trying to get in good with Vladimir anyway,

474
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: and he's like, look, man, yeah, yeah exactly, and and

475
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: and Putin being like, all right, get your boy, get

476
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: your boy. You know what I'm saying, And then him

477
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: looking him in the face and being like, okay, okay,

478
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: I hear you. If I even smell your cologne in

479
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: my airspace, you know what I'm saying, like and proges

480
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: to be like I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm

481
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: so sorry. Right, and there's this click because I know

482
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: this look, and I'm telling you, I know this look

483
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: when somebody goes all right, man, we'll squash it's cool.

484
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: Just just don't come around here. It's like I've been yelling, exactly,

485
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: it's not you already know it's not. Squashed. I've already

486
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: decided I'm gonna kill you, like you've already decided it,

487
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But this dude says you

488
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: can come over here, and he goes, huh, all right.

489
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: He's so the play was already ran in his head.

490
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, I'll get out there. I'll not look

491
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: like a dick by not killing this man immediately, right,

492
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give it some time, you feel me.

493
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show some mercy. You know. I'll even tell

494
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: your army because again, they can scrap that. He's like, look,

495
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: if y'all want to no questions asked, y'all, could you

496
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: me It's not like you guys weren't doing a thing.

497
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: Your leader just kind of lost his mind for a

498
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: little bit. But we've been friends for so long. I'm

499
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna let this one slide because I'm a good man,

500
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and like and then and

501
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: then looking at him being like, okay, sure, yeah, go

502
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: ahead and live over there. But he's like, nigga, you

503
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: better take up farming. You better forget all this shit disappeared.

504
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Change your name. I don't care, leave your family, leave

505
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: your children, do not come listen, do not? I better

506
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: nobody can't nobody have your initials. If somebody say the

507
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: first letter in your name in my presence is up,

508
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then this food, and

509
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: then Progoson has the nerve to be like, hey, bro,

510
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna plane. I'm on a plane. I just got

511
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: to finish a few things. I promise I won't stay.

512
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: I just need to finish some whole things. And I

513
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: imagine Vladimir leaning back in his chair being like you

514
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: need to get what now? You need to come get? Okay? Yeah, yeah,

515
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: come on, you know what. You come to your drawer,

516
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: no problem, no problem, come through. You know what I'm saying.

517
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: And they're just like leaning over to it on me

518
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: and he's like it's time, homies, Like yes, you know

519
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And they were done prep the missiles.

520
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: Where'd you come in? Oh, I guess it's today, fellas,

521
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: I guess the end of the day. You making it

522
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: easy for us. I thought i'd have to send somebody.

523
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: I thought i'd have to send someone of the bellar roots,

524
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: like you know I'm saying, because because you put him

525
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: in belaruts, because I ain't Finnah, stop you like you

526
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: said you scared of me anyway. You know. So when

527
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: I decide, hey, homie, I'm gonna come kill that guy

528
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: that I am out here, and you're gonna shut the

529
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: fuck up and watch me do it, that's what you

530
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: gonna do.

531
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's kind of like that. I'm kind

532
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: of not but a lot of it is. I think

533
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 4: a lot like that, but a lot.

534
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 1: Of it is.

535
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: I mean it kind of is like that. It's just

536
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: different timeline.

537
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: So, okay, proversion and progosion and Putin didn't know each

538
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: other when they were like young, right, I mean they

539
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 4: when they were younger, but not like from day one

540
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: or anything.

541
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: Like.

542
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: Okay, So progosions like this mad criminal. He gets like

543
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 4: a load of suspended sentences and that didn't deter him.

544
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, no, I'm a lunatic. I don't care. Yeah,

545
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: goes and like strangles this woman, goes to like rob

546
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: her with like three other criminals, and instead of robbing her,

547
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: he's like, this total fucking sadist. You're not like the

548
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 4: nutty guy that you just don't don't bring him around, Like, yeah,

549
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: he turns.

550
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: Up to the party.

551
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go, you know what I mean, even though

552
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: you don't know me, I'm just gonna go because I

553
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: know Somethingeah.

554
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's that kind.

555
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: Of guy, I think. So he strangles this woman, nearly

556
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 4: kills her, like you know, she passes out whatever, robberies

557
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: arm robberi's house breaking and that the court said, right,

558
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: you're going in for ten years. So he's in prison

559
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: throughout the like kind of end of the Soviet Union,

560
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: the whole of the eighties. He's in prison, gets out,

561
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: the Soviet Union's collapsing, and you know, he's a criminal,

562
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 4: so he he knows how to make money. He's learned

563
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: loads of stuff in prison now, and Rush has a

564
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: very especially back then, had a very tight knit, secure

565
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 4: network of like criminal businesses even in prison. It's just

566
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like the same imagine in America,

567
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: the same in England. Like for young lads in England.

568
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: People go to prison, it's like crime university. You know,

569
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: you're good. They come out with like one hundred new contacts.

570
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: So whatever that happens, it's the most perfect storm. The

571
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: Soviet Union's falling apart, all the gangsters are now suddenly

572
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: able to loaner their money and make legit money.

573
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: They get rich very quickly.

574
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: So he does that and he's involved with all these

575
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 4: criminals and he gets a loan from one of the

576
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 4: criminal networks and he opens up a restaurant, right, and

577
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: he's like, right, I want this to be real fancy,

578
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 4: and he does make it fancy. You know, he has

579
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: the money and he opens another one and he opens

580
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: in it opens it on the river in Saint Petersburg,

581
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 4: which are like a beautiful spot, calls his place New Island, right,

582
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: that's his that's his restaurant.

583
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: Okay.

584
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: So however, you know, word gets out. Vladimir Putin is

585
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: doing his thing, you know, on the side. The whole

586
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: time this is happening. Blad's in power, he's getting to power,

587
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: and Russia needs a loan from the i M F right,

588
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: the International Monetary Fund.

589
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: I mean we all know what they're like.

590
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but them times they were like, all right, we'll

591
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: give Russia some money. So they were unsure. They come

592
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: to they come to Russia to be like better not

593
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: be the USSR anymore, Like yeah yeah yeah, and they're

594
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: like no, no it's not, we'll take you out. They

595
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: take them to this fancy spot and they end up

596
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: through knowing people. And I think what you're saying is right,

597
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: Like Putin is like that, they're like the pretty boy.

598
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: The more he's like more like string of bell, you

599
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying, He's like more stringer belt. And

600
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: then Progosion is like, I.

601
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: Don't even know, I don't even want to. So who's

602
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: the other guy that the main.

603
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: Guy on on why anyway? I can't remember his name,

604
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: But so he's like the other guy, like the more

605
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 4: like gangster guy, and yeah, Progosian is that guy. And

606
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 4: then you know, like like Putin is more in like

607
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 4: you know, doing things legal, but he's got that in him,

608
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, he's definitely I don't think

609
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: it's so much the criminal element. I think that he

610
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: Prutin's so ruthless that he realizes that you need people

611
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: like Progosion to stepping stones from things that you don't

612
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: want to do, you know, Yeah, you need that rule

613
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: about us side. Okay, I'm not gonna he's not gonna

614
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: learn the boxing, but he's gonna have a guy that

615
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: is you know what I mean, and then turf him

616
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: as soon as he needs to so he kind of

617
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 4: sees I think you're right, Like he sees like this,

618
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 4: you know, he's like.

619
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: I see this guy, I know who he is.

620
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: He Okay, yeah, he's got a nice fancy restaurant, but

621
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: he can do dirt, you know what I mean.

622
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: I know he's done dirt.

623
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: So it takes the if there to Progosion's restaurant and

624
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 4: everything goes well. They get this huge, huge loan and

625
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: kind of off of that. That was not just that,

626
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: but that was the start of like Russia being able

627
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: to rebuild into this, like, you know what was a

628
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: really thriving economy after all after all the hell that

629
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: it put everybody through. I should say thriving, I mean

630
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 4: thriving for the rich people. Well you know what I mean. Yeah,

631
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 4: for like in his class, everyone else got absolutely screwed.

632
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: This is the thing, like there's I mean, certainly I'm

633
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: not fucking pro USSR or pro Styling or anything like that,

634
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: but the way we get told the history of how

635
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: like oh yeah we just had to get rid of

636
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: East Germany and that and then everything was fine. No,

637
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: it was terrible, Like it was really bad for them

638
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: for everybody, the poor people, you know, no matter what

639
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: side that they lost. So anyway, so well they won freedom,

640
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: you know, okay, but they still were broke. And so anyway,

641
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: that's all happening, and you know, Progosions then he's real,

642
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: real cozy enough to putin.

643
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Puot's like, all right, you know, he's a guy you

644
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: can rely on. He made things right. Yeah.

645
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: So then he's like, okay, well we got some contracts

646
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: we need you know, we need the food. The schools

647
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: need food. You got a catering You've got a restaurant,

648
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: and by this time Progosion had started a catering business,

649
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, so he's like, okay, well you you know,

650
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 4: you do food and that. All right, here's a contract.

651
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: So Progosion, you know, he was never actually in the

652
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: military or anything, but he wanted to get into like,

653
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 4: you know, doing the food and stuff like that Ford

654
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: for the Russian military.

655
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I mean, it's it's a hazy thing.

656
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 4: But eventually, long story short, they get that deal for

657
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 4: the food to the military, and just through them dealings,

658
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 4: I mean, the food stuff is kind of irrelevant. I

659
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 4: think it's like you're saying, it's just the circles they're

660
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 4: in Putin's like.

661
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: You are that guy.

662
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 4: You know, as bad as Progosion was, he was that guy.

663
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: He will do the most horrible stuff, and he has

664
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 4: no conscience, he has no morals, he has no qualms.

665
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: So they kind of have this friendship kind of partnership.

666
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 4: By his point, both of them are a billionaires, you know,

667
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: like like Progosion was a billionaire by the time he

668
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: died through various dodgy dealings and whatever. So then in

669
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: Syria at this time later on, there's like loads of

670
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: years later, like when when you know, or decades later,

671
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: there's this like kind of mercenary unit and they go

672
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 4: and try and take on some Jahadis factions I believe,

673
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 4: and they get absolutely wasted by the Jahadists. But the

674
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 4: few that kind of leave and like get out, you know,

675
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 4: the Russian military is like, all right, that's maybe someone

676
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: recognized that we could use we could use some mercenaries.

677
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they can do some day you

678
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: work for us, So they all right, come here. Basically

679
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: they formed Wagner, the kind of the Russian government form Wagner,

680
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I mean they found it themselves.

681
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: But it was also this idea like oh no, it's

682
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: nothing to do with us. It was everything to do

683
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 4: with them.

684
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: You know.

685
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess said, like the first Wagner base was

686
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: literally on like a Russian special Forces base, like physically

687
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: they had the same building.

688
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: So that all happens.

689
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 4: And at this point Progosion gets involved with Wagner and

690
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 4: he was the guy that because obviously he's a criminal,

691
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: but he's got loads of money he has with the

692
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: shell companies, you know, like any politician would. He wasn't

693
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: a politician, but like any politician has both in the

694
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: West and in Russia. And he's like, look, I can

695
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: help fuel, I can help buy fuel, I can help buy.

696
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: Vehicles, body arm or whatever.

697
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: So he starts becoming kind of a financier of Wagner

698
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: denies his involvement for years, and then at some point

699
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: he becomes like the guy like you know, he's like, yeah, okay,

700
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: actually I'm the Wagner guy.

701
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: And so he I think two things.

702
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: I think he was such a brutal person that this

703
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 4: actually there was a personal interest in He wanted to

704
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: be in this club.

705
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't just financial. It's like I want to.

706
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 4: Be in these are his people, you know, like mercenary

707
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: people that want to and Wagner were never that good

708
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 4: at fighting.

709
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: There's this myth that they're like special forces.

710
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 4: It's bullshit. They've never been very good like on the battlefield.

711
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 4: What they're good at is doing the most nasty ship.

712
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: They're just so if you say, oh, well, you know,

713
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 4: we've arrested ten prisoners of war, but what do we

714
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: do with them, I don't know, give him to them guys,

715
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: they'll probably execute them, all okay, cool.

716
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: Hey, just yeah, so like that's that's interesting. That's an

717
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: interesting wrinkle on them because I knew that, like the

718
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: list of war crimes under their belt is insane real.

719
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: And they you know, there's a famous video where they

720
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: kill a man in Syria with like a combat shovel,

721
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: like cut him to bits with a shovel, and they're

722
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 4: just like laughing about it. Famous video where they smash

723
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: I think it might be a part of that video,

724
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: like smash them in the head with a sledgehammer. And

725
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 4: whilst you know, obviously military's every militias, factions, whichever politics,

726
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 4: they will do war crimes.

727
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: Trust me, yeah, of course, you know, it's a very

728
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: funny thing.

729
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: I'll be at war with like you know people, You'll

730
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: hear people online and they're like, oh, well, the leftist

731
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: militia don't do war crimes, Like oh.

732
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah they do, yeah, oh yeah they do. Yeah everyone

733
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: at war, Yeah, everyone war crimes. But these they just

734
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: have no code. There's no right.

735
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: These guys are like the like you know, the Michael

736
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: Jordan of war crimes. You see what I'm saying, Like

737
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: that on top, and not only that, they start wearing

738
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 4: it as a badge of honors. So they smash a

739
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: guy in the head with a sledgehammer and then they

740
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: start using the sledgehammer iconography almost as like a logo.

741
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 4: Yeah with them guys, Like, that's how dark they are,

742
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: you know, that's how fucked up it is.

743
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: That's interesting. There was this guy out here in in

744
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: Uh he's passed away now and he's reformed, but his

745
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: name was Monster Cody and he wrote a book. He

746
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: was a original. Like there's there was two big crip

747
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: gangs out here in LA that one still exists. Well,

748
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: they both still exist. But uh, there's Rolling sixties and

749
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: there's eight Trays, which is eighty third straight Rolling sixty.

750
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: That's a nifty hustle. You know what I mean, that's

751
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: that's very big U. And then there was a Trays

752
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: which is on the East Side and they've historically beefed,

753
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: but them they're they're like sort of like star Like

754
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: one of the biggest names that was the guy that

755
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: was all on the news and stuff like that when

756
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: it was just like was this guy named Monster Cody

757
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: And what they used to say about him was that

758
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: was that that type of violence was so fun to him,

759
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: like just just over the top, like you know, yes,

760
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: and and was like so he you know, you just

761
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: beating people mercilessly and smiling, you know what I mean,

762
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: And then at the end of it being like y'all,

763
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: y'are trying to go get a burger, like just didn't like,

764
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's he wrote it. He wrote an incredible

765
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: book about this and about what he's became later. Like

766
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: so it's not like I'm breaking no code by saying

767
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: this because it's in his book, but like that dude,

768
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: that's just like yeah, yeah, you know, And I feel like, yeah,

769
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty sure you know, you probably know

770
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: a guy when you were in high school that you

771
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: were like, dude, if nobody grabbed a hold of this dude.

772
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you just be like, don't fight him. Yeah, no,

773
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: it is something weird. Now he might try and pull

774
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: your eye out. Leave that alone.

775
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, I mean if I remember reading once

776
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: about you know James Whitey Bulgier, right, like the head

777
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: of the Irish mob in Boston. Yes, there's a horrible

778
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 4: anecdote from one of his like underlings where he says,

779
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 4: they're in this basement, there's this guy. They think he's

780
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: been snitching, and he pulls the guy's teeth out of

781
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 4: his head like.

782
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: You know, like jaws them out. Yeah, pulls him out,

783
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: kills him, like beats him.

784
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: To death with like I don't know, like I can't

785
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 4: even remember what, but like kills him like brutally. And

786
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: then they said he like he did it covered in

787
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 4: blood and he's like I'm tired, and then he just

788
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: takes a nap right afterwards. Yeah, it's like how like yes,

789
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 4: next level, Yes, inside there he's like, you pull the

790
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 4: guy's teeth and kill him. Adrenaline isn't even up, Like

791
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 4: I'm just tired. Yeah right, I'm tired. I'm this is boring,

792
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: like you know, just weird.

793
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: True.

794
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like uncomprehensible, like viciousness, and from all accounts

795
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: like progosion, even himself. People have said, like even before Wagner,

796
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: he was a sadist, like he was known as that.

797
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: Like I said, he strangled a woman unconscious for no

798
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: fucking reason, just to rob her.

799
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: You know. So he's a bad guy.

800
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 4: So he you know, And and Dmitri Utkin, who was

801
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 4: like the kind of founder, kind of head commander of Wagner.

802
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 4: His call sign was actually Wagner, named after Richard Wagner,

803
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: Hitler's favorite composer.

804
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: Because the head of Wagner is a neo.

805
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: Nazi, complete with SS tattoos and swastikas on his chest,

806
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: which is ironic because they were sent into the Nazifi Ukraine.

807
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, right.

808
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, load loads of the there's so there's a hell

809
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: of a lot of neo Nazi groups in Russia that

810
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 4: are now fighting Ukraine to the Nazifi it but war

811
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: is a strange thing. So yeah, So so he you

812
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 4: know him and can get on great. You know, they're

813
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 4: both like evil motherfuckers. They're both like ideologically like horrible

814
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 4: and and they both want to do with his power.

815
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: It's like what they want to do. It's less about

816
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 4: building up Russia and more about building up this fiefdom

817
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: that they have. It's like this is our gang. And

818
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 4: honestly that's what Vagner was. It was like like yeah,

819
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: like you're kind of saying like a street gang, but

820
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 4: on with the weather, whether what's at risk, what's at

821
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 4: stake is literally global.

822
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: Terrorism, like global conflict.

823
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 4: It's crazy, you know, like they've done war crimes in Africa, Syria, Ukraine.

824
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: So then yeah, so then yeah, the African ones is

825
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: where they where I first heard their name, you know

826
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: what I mean? It was just howful who? You know

827
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: what I mean? And yeah, yeah, well you'll.

828
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: Love this, right, this was very funny. So after, you know,

829
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: we'll go back to it. But after Progosion got smoked

830
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: in the plane, some pictures of Progosion with some like

831
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: African guys. I think he's in Mali and you know,

832
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: like they're doing his selfie and the like. They have

833
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 4: no idea who was clearly the like who's this random Russian? Yeah,

834
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: and then they put out there and they're like, oh uh,

835
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 4: Progosian was a good friend of you know, of the

836
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: African people. Many there called him the new Nelson Mandela,

837
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 4: no joke.

838
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: That's what they said.

839
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: Firstly, Progosionism was an ardent racist his whole life, Yeah

840
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

841
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: And he was the head of.

842
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: Fucking neighbors country, yeah right, Neil Natzien. And he's literally

843
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: been killing Africans. Yeah yeah, so that's the kind of

844
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: nonsense there on. But yeah, so he goes. You know,

845
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 4: eventually Varda gets deployed to Ukraine clearly to do dirty work.

846
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 4: There's a lot of very strong evidence they've been committing

847
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: more crimes, and there's some reports that from the very top,

848
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: from progosion himself, gave the order kill everyone, and then

849
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 4: the soldiers as well. There's kids and aces. I said

850
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 4: kill everyone, right, so they're killing kids, and I've been

851
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: out there. I've been out there. Kids are getting killed,

852
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: trust me, like women, children, loads of corpses with their

853
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 4: hands tie behind their back.

854
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: You know.

855
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: Rush has been doing some serious nasty stuff out there.

856
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: So they're doing all this stuff. But then clear it

857
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: becomes clear in the battle for Bakhmu that like you know,

858
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 4: Ukraine are not backing down. They've got spirit, they got

859
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: hert and they've got a lot of weapons from America.

860
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 4: In the West, so it's not going to be the

861
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 4: walk in the park. Theyfore and as I said before, Wagner.

862
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: Are not that good at fighting.

863
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: You know.

864
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: They've always been put in as like to be the

865
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: guys that go through the meat rind up.

866
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: That's what they were always used for.

867
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 4: They're not military, and Rustans just go, well, it's not

868
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 4: our guys. They chose to be their Arerea. So that

869
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 4: happens and something in we don't really know why, but

870
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 4: you know, because Progosion has seen this happened before. But

871
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 4: there's a big difference between fighting a state that has

872
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 4: millions of people that are volunteering to protect their country

873
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 4: and also have weapons from the West and you know,

874
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: jets and tanks versus killing some Jahadi somewhere, you know.

875
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: So obviously Progosians men start getting fucking slaughtered and they're

876
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: trying to saying to the Russians like, hey man, we

877
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: need we need some assistance, and the Rusians like your vagumer,

878
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 4: like this.

879
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: What you're you're talking about? Yeah, that's why we.

880
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 4: Say, like you guys, yeah, yeah, you're you're here to

881
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: get killed basically, So not that explicitly, but I think

882
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: that was what was understood basically, yeah, basically, and then

883
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: it gets to the point where, I mean, we don't

884
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: really know why something happened, but I think I was

885
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 4: talking to PFO great research, and it was all about

886
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 4: this stuff. Something just snapped in in progosion, and his

887
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: theory is perhaps just seeing I mean, you know, there's

888
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: drone footage of Wagner losses. You're talking like seven, eight,

889
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 4: ten bodies, higher piles of corpses. You know, like their

890
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: guys were getting slaughtered. So imagine walking through that every

891
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: single day your unit, they're there, insignia is on and

892
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: they're your guys, and a lot of So Russia did

893
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: this mad thing.

894
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: They did a penal conscript.

895
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 4: So they started recruiting like murderers, rapists, whatever from prison.

896
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: Yes, right, you go and fight for Wagner. We'll let

897
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: you go when you get free.

898
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 4: It just so happens that some in the end they

899
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: got free and they went back to their town and

900
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: killed people again.

901
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: Anyway, because because they're murderers. Yeah, yeah, right.

902
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: I couldn't see that happening, and I think Russia just

903
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: presumed everyone would get killed.

904
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: That's crazy, man. I feel like there had to have

905
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: been a pride issue somewhere in there where it's just like.

906
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: And he was a convict, remember, yeah, yeah, he's seen like,

907
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 4: hang on, these are myse.

908
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Are my dudes?

909
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

910
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 4: And at some point he genuinely snaps and just starts

911
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 4: putting it out on telegram and being like what the

912
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: fuck is going on?

913
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: He starts with like the.

914
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: Ministry, starts with the commander, and then.

915
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 4: Before you know, it was literally openly slagging off pootinahing

916
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 4: like what are you doing? And boy, he claims that

917
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: their position was shelled by Russian special forces or whatever.

918
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: There's no actual evidence of that, and the footage they

919
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 4: put out it looks faked. I think he just said

920
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: that's what happened because he decided that was it now.

921
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 4: And yeah, man, they jump on the tanks and they

922
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: ride on Moscow.

923
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: You know, four hours Yeah, you know, yeah exactly.

924
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 4: Man, he starts riding on there and and there's some

925
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 4: I be honest, I first thought I thought this is

926
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: like a plot between poot In and Progosion, But having

927
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: spoken to people a lot more informed than me, no,

928
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 4: it was legit.

929
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: You know. It was just like, man, there's some bullshit.

930
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm tired yeah, yeah again, like that's what I'm saying,

931
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 1: where he's like, wait a minute, I'm the murderer, I'm

932
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: the crime, right, Like that's what he was saying, You're yeah, yeah,

933
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: like you're the pret palace.

934
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: We're on the front exactly. So essentially he turns around,

935
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 4: rides on Moscow. I think they got within like three

936
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 4: hundred kilometers. It was pretty crazy, and there's this weird

937
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: narrative where people like, isn't it funny though, like you know,

938
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: like nothing ever happened actually, you know, like a few

939
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 4: Wagner tanks got blown up by like Russian Air Force.

940
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 4: You know, like there was serious there was some fighting,

941
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 4: people got killed, but anyway, it was. It was weird,

942
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 4: though there was I do think that maybe some people

943
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 4: were wondering, like is this going to be a real thing. Yeah,

944
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 4: maybe we need to decide which side we're going to

945
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 4: be on, and maybe people were hesitant.

946
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: But whatever, it was never gonna work. The movie mooting,

947
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: he was never gonna work.

948
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, putting sends out progosion, funk off

949
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 4: go to Belarus. You see that footage right where they

950
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: go through his house, like one of one of his

951
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 4: mansions in Russia and like there's all these photos of

952
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: like Progosion dressed up and all like fancy dress and

953
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: like disguises so we could travel around the world the year,

954
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: which was funny. But then yeah, I mean Progosion was

955
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 4: back in Maley, he was back in Africa. He went

956
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 4: to Mali in West Africa and god no, you know,

957
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 4: doing some funckery there of course.

958
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: And then he's.

959
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 4: Flying back, goes to uh Saint Peter's goes to Moscow.

960
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 4: As he's flying to Saint Petersburg or the other way around,

961
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: I forget, his.

962
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: Jet gets blown out the sky. Yeah he's on.

963
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 4: Board as well. And you know what putting just went,

964
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: I will kill you. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Like

965
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 4: you haven't got away with this, bro.

966
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: There has to be like you know, I've you heard

967
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: a phrase like like make sure you tap in when

968
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: you come somewhere. Yeah yeah, yeah, you gotta get there.

969
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: You got to get the check, right, Yeah, you better

970
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: tap here, like you better go check. Yeah, like he

971
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: was in Mali, he was like arms stop by Moscow

972
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: right quick, like this nigga tap in, you gotta You're

973
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: just gonna come into the hood like you didn't even

974
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: say nothing. You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't

975
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: know if it was that or it was just like

976
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: do you mind if I stopped by and he's like Noah,

977
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: I don't mind.

978
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 4: I think that I think he was like yeah, yeah,

979
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 4: like I think he was planned. But I think from

980
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 4: the second progosion did dot mutiny in the second ye

981
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 4: like he's gone, this guy's done.

982
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: I have to Yeah. It's almost like yeah, he had to.

983
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: He had to kill, you know, like you know what

984
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's the and I imagine because there's

985
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: no way in the world progoson don't know the code

986
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: because you're you against it too, so you just have

987
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: to know, like ship, do you.

988
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: Really think he was gonna get away with that? That's

989
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 4: why I don't get no either.

990
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: You he was so felt, so froggy that he was

991
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: like I know I could pull this off. Yeah, you

992
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's what I think it was.

993
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: He was just like again like na, this nigga's soft,

994
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: Like you can't keep up with me, Like you know,

995
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: you haven't been killed, you haven't killed the way we've

996
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: been killing for all the time.

997
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 4: Let's get He got like fewed by that realizing.

998
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: That your army is trash. You know what I'm saying,

999
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: started believing his own hyghe like we're brawlers. And then

1000
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: and then it didn't work. That's what I was like, again,

1001
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: shoot at the king, you bet not missed, and then

1002
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: he missed.

1003
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: It's very it's very weird, Like I would love to

1004
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 4: know that conversation between them three to stop the mutiny,

1005
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: you know, like what did he say? I think, I

1006
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 4: I don't know I have I mean, I don't want to,

1007
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 4: like I guess, but like there must have been some

1008
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 4: like very heavy, thinly veiled threat, you know, like how's

1009
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 4: your wife? Yeah, totally, how's your kids? You know, like yeah,

1010
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know when you don't know?

1011
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: Was a guy that gave a ship about his family?

1012
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, progos. I just think he like yeah, like obviously

1013
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: a speculation, but it's getting from where the way you

1014
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: described him is like what I thought about him too,

1015
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: where I'm just like you like you know the rules,

1016
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: like you know the rules like if you if you

1017
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: do this, you know you have to die. You know,

1018
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: you know it, you know what I'm saying, Like and

1019
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: maybe it was like maybe it was a negotiation on

1020
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: some like well, look, you still got all these missions,

1021
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: we still got all these missions. We run it over here,

1022
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: you know. And then yeah, and then the I feel

1023
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: like the Belarus dude was like almost like an audible

1024
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like this would have

1025
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: like he just saw his opportunity, you know what I mean,

1026
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: and just kind of took his shot. And I imagine

1027
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: Lad being like perfect, yeah yeah yeah yeah, no problem,

1028
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, just go just just go to exile.

1029
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no problem. It was a couple of dies.

1030
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 4: It is weird though, this why at the start I

1031
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: thought maybe this was a double cross, maybe the whole

1032
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 4: thing was planed ye, and then he was gonna kill

1033
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 4: him anyway. But for people I spoke to that like nah,

1034
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: that's what happened. So I don't know, I guess, but

1035
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 4: it was weird, like how.

1036
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: The fuck did he know? Know?

1037
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 4: And I think what really prove it was it's I mean,

1038
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: it's not good at well, I mean, fuck him, like

1039
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 4: they're all scumbags. Like in pregosion, nothing of nothing of

1040
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 4: value was lost when these people died. But my point

1041
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 4: is it kind of proved our our a lot of

1042
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 4: our a lot of our investigations in sad Oligarch. When

1043
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: you look at it, it's like, Nah, it can't be

1044
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 4: this ridiculous, it can't be this. And then when this happened,

1045
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 4: it was like it really is this way.

1046
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: Now.

1047
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're all being killed by the Kremlin,

1048
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: and I don't even know for certain that anyone was

1049
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 4: killed by the Kremlin. But if you listen to this series,

1050
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 4: I think you can make your own mind up.

1051
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: You know, we're not.

1052
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 4: Trying to we're not the cops. We're not trying to

1053
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 4: say what happened, but we think we know what happened,

1054
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 4: and we're putting things together.

1055
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like the worst kept secret to where

1056
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: you're just like, right, but we all know, like.

1057
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 4: This culture of violence within the same circles is in

1058
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 4: you know, it's been going on for years. In fact,

1059
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 4: the USSR had like an actual phrase within the government

1060
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 4: which meant, I forget what it is, but it basically

1061
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: was like a phrase for how to kill one of

1062
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 4: your political rivals, but perfect it like basically like the

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00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 4: art of assassination where it looks like an accident. Yeah,

1064
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 4: and I feel like now it's just yeah that maybe

1065
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 4: was an accident, but everybody knows.

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00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: It's like I want you to know.

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00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 4: I need to have enough like deny, I believe, but

1068
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 4: I want you to know. Yeah exactly.

1069
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: It's like that's that's to me, that's the art because

1070
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: the first story window thing is hilarious. To me, I'm like,

1071
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: were you you fell out of a first story window?

1072
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 4: You know?

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00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1074
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 4: No, that was the second story but it was two

1075
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 4: days before his friend died in the same fucking hotel.

1076
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that stuff is like, yeah, it's like it's

1077
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: a week wink, you know what I mean, Like it's

1078
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: of course. So to me, that's that's like you said,

1079
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: that's what they perfected to where it's like I am

1080
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: making it obvious I did it, but clear but you

1081
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: can't but not obvious I did it. You know what

1082
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1083
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I did it, Yeah, but you know

1084
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: who did it? But you know exactly, it's like the O. J.

1085
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: Simpson thing. You know what I'm saying.

1086
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 4: It's basically that book, Like, yes, what's the book?

1087
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: Like if I did it? Yeah? Or something like like

1088
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: what it is. Our last episode was about that to

1089
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: where we were like that's what our recorded where it

1090
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: was like, okay, listen, it's a far gone conclusion among

1091
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: the black community. We was all like, nah, he guilty,

1092
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: like he killed that lady, Like we we all know

1093
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: he killed Yeah, of course he killed that lady. You

1094
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, but you know what I'm saying.

1095
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: I going to tell y'all that you know what I'm saying.

1096
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you're that insane, like if you can

1097
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: go and do that and then joke about it in

1098
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 4: books afterwards, whatever you say to me, I'm going along

1099
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 4: with it.

1100
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: Whatever it is.

1101
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 4: Brood Okay, Yeah, I believe you're like I'm gonna leave

1102
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: before I get killed or something. You see that clip

1103
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 4: where like he sees Ruby Wax and the like she

1104
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 4: opens the door and he's like pretending.

1105
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: Like like what do you what are you doing that? Yeah?

1106
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: Really not the actions of a like.

1107
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: Innocent mind. Yeah, absolutely weirdo. He's weirdo, just a weirdo.

1108
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny, but it's fucked up. He's clearly

1109
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: Yeah sadism. Yes, the gift he gave us that jay

1110
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: Z like just in his song The Story of Oja,

1111
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: where he just nails it where he's like, oh, j B,

1112
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: like I'm not black, I'm o Jay and he's like, yeah, okay,

1113
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: he's just okay, sure, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1114
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: come on, man on his own world you think, yeah,

1115
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: you really think the rules don't apply to you? Bro,

1116
00:55:47,280 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: you're weirdo y yeah, yeah, it's just a wish weirdo.

1117
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: All right, Jake, Jake, thank you very much for doing

1118
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: this with us.

1119
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 4: Man, Doug, might I heard that made sense? I know

1120
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 4: it's mad complication, No, no.

1121
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: No, no, it was perfect because it sounds like, like

1122
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: seriously one of the biggest like uh deterrents for me

1123
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: actually like getting deeper involved into like sort of like

1124
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: gang life, was sitting on the porch and having to

1125
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 1: keep up with shit like this, like yeah, like you can't.

1126
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: It's like you miss one party and all of a sudden,

1127
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: this dude we went to middle school with, we all

1128
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: homies with, now he's the enemy, you know what I'm saying.

1129
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: And in this and this fool got drunk and this

1130
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: girl now messing with him. I just like I can't

1131
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: keep up with all this. So you just so so

1132
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: the way that the stories be moving, and then you

1133
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: don't know, and then you can only know part of

1134
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: it because you don't want to snitch on your homeboy.

1135
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: So the story don't make sense when he's explaining it

1136
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: to this because his piece is missing, because we can't

1137
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: tell you the actually what happened, you know what I'm saying.

1138
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: So you're just like, I don't know, I don't know

1139
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: what happened, you know.

1140
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 4: So there's a real to keep in your mouth closed sometimes,

1141
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: you know, bro, That's why I love in the hard way,

1142
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 4: you know, because you get your mouth smacking.

1143
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Like in these situations. Yeah, just shut up. I don't

1144
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: know what happened. Look I survived, I'd be like, look

1145
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1146
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: I wasn't there, couldn't keep his fucking mouth shut. And

1147
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 4: now he's a toast.

1148
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: Now he's yeah, now he's fertilizer. Yeah all right man,

1149
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 1: So politics, please make sure you uh you you tap

1150
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: into this out. All the episodes are out now.

1151
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we got one more on next week.

1152
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 4: It's like the last episode had to be a two

1153
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 4: part because it's about progorg.

1154
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: It's just so complicated. But yeah, it's pretty much done now.

1155
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So thank you so much man for

1156
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: doing this please follow us that all the guards please

1157
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: tap in the popular front man, like that's what it's called, right,

1158
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm not tripping, Yeah okay, wait yeah, it was like

1159
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: yeah yeah about the most like underground, obscure, freaking deep

1160
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: cut wars like yeah, man, we try.

1161
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 4: And you know, we're a little bit different in that

1162
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: we're not like against were reporting. We're an alternative, like

1163
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 4: we always say we kind of It's like we're reporting

1164
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 4: from the perspective of the people as opposed to the

1165
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 4: analyst to we're reporting with the hot left and that's why. Yeah.

1166
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you very much, man, all right, mat

1167
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: thanks for having me appreciate it of course. Yo yo.

1168
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: This thing right here was recorded by Me Propaganda and

1169
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: East Loves Boil Heights, Los Angeles, California. This thing was mixed, edited, mastered,

1170
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: and scored by the one and only Matt Awsowski. Y'all

1171
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: check out this fool's music. I mean it's incredible. Executive

1172
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: produced by Sophie Lick the men for Cool Zone Media. Man,

1173
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: and thank you for everybody who continue to tap in

1174
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: with us. Make sure you leaving reviews and five star

1175
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: ratings and sharing it with the homies. So we could

1176
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: get this thing pushed up in the algorithm and listen.

1177
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: I just want to remind you these people is not

1178
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: smarter than you. If you understand city living, you understand politics,

1179
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.