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Speaker 3: Okay, welcome back, Julie Kelly. This is also important as

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Speaker 3: Sixty days. Within sixty days, we're going to be on

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Speaker 3: the fifth anniversary of this sixty days. Unbelievable. Julie Kelly,

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Speaker 3: where do people go? You've got a couple of great

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Speaker 9: So my substack is declassified with Julie Kelly, I post

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Speaker 9: I have some thoughts and criticism about that piece on there,

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Speaker 3: Fantastic job. Thank you so much Julie for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 3: The last six hundred meters tonight tonight, after seventeen years,

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Speaker 10: Well, Scott was in this section on the Battle of Najaff.

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Speaker 3: Of just go right to the sound of the guns

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Speaker 3: of the most powerful parts of the movie. Scott, you

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Speaker 3: join us now. First off, your feelings. You were there

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Speaker 3: live when we did the premiere of A week or

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Speaker 3: so Gun. It was amazing your guys participation and how

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Speaker 3: great it was with the audience afterwards. Talk to me

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Speaker 3: about the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Marine Corps.

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Speaker 3: Of how few institutions have been around for during fifty years.

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Speaker 3: And the PBS has decided after seventeen years to show

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Speaker 3: this film as his prime time representation of the United

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Speaker 3: States Marine Corps.

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Speaker 6: Sir, and now Steve and might thank you so much,

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Speaker 6: especially on this day Veterans Day tomorrow.

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Speaker 11: What do I think? Just grateful that that would be the.

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Speaker 6: Marines who fought in the job both and then the

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Speaker 6: documentary covers obviously Fallujah one and Fallujah two as well,

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Speaker 6: and just to tell the story of the young warriors

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Speaker 6: that busted their ever living butts to to cued some

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Speaker 6: incredibly demanding missions. So I'm just incredibly grateful that'll be

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Speaker 6: on PBS this evening and America will get to learn.

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Speaker 6: You know, for two hundred and fifty years you'd send

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Speaker 6: the Marines. You got the hardest missions in the world

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Speaker 6: that need to get executed. I needed to do them,

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Speaker 6: and we're going to do.

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Speaker 11: Them, period.

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Speaker 3: Scott, Can you hang on with us? I want to

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Speaker 3: spend some more time. I think you get a few

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Speaker 3: more minutes. We're going to take a break. Do we

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Speaker 3: have the Uh, We're gonna go out in every section

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Speaker 3: of this Michael packed in honor of the film and

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Speaker 3: an honor of the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary with

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Speaker 3: the Marine Corps him tonight at ten PM. I want

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Speaker 3: to make sure every in the audience and spread the world.

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Speaker 3: Let's be a first multiplier that Amazon. Sorry tomorrow, Amazon

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Speaker 3: Stormmer ten pm. You're getting to be pretty entrepreneurial. We

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Speaker 3: finally taught pack ten pm Eastern Standard time tonight, and

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Speaker 3: I believe it's going to be in your time zone

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Speaker 3: as it goes around the country. It'll still be ten

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Speaker 3: pm Eastern Standard time. Tonight the premiere of the Last

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Speaker 3: six hundred Meters, The Battles of Fallujah, First Fallujah and

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Speaker 3: na Jioff and Second Fallujah, told through the eyes of

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Speaker 3: Marine Rifleman, which is as Jan becker Bender says in there,

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Speaker 3: everybody's a rifleman in the Marine Corps. He was a

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Speaker 3: combat he was a combat photographer. He's got a great

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Speaker 3: line in there about being on the trigger. Lieutenant Scott

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Speaker 3: Cuomo joins us, we're gonna take a short commercial break.

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Speaker 3: The Marine Corps him will take us out, would be

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Speaker 3: back in a moment.

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Speaker 7: The word.

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Speaker 3: You use, your host, Stephen k Bath, Michael Pack, the

489
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Speaker 3: great filmmaker, is writing Shotgun. We're going to talk about Abbygate,

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Speaker 3: the new film you're working on. But tonight the premiere

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Speaker 3: at ten pm Eastern Standard Time on your PBS station,

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Speaker 3: totally free. Check it out. The Last six hundred Meters.

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Speaker 3: Colonel Scott Cuomo joins us, who was a lieutenant at

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Speaker 3: the time, tell us about Najaff and why on the

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of this institution that has

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Speaker 3: lived longer than the Roman Republic, that why did PBS,

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Speaker 3: when they looked at who were not fans of this film,

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Speaker 3: initially think it was emblematic enough of the work of

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Speaker 3: the Marine Corps to put it up tonight on the

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 6: Sir, Yeah, Now, Mike, can I'm sure cover the details

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Speaker 6: of what led to the decision there a little bit differently,

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Speaker 6: but specific to the battle. I am grateful to have

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Speaker 6: the opportunity just talk with you guys about it. Hot intense,

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Speaker 6: close quarters, intimate, very personal, you know.

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Speaker 11: For me and the Marines that I had the privilege

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Speaker 11: to serve in that battle.

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Speaker 6: It started with a helicopter, Hughet helicopter getting shot down.

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Speaker 6: We were in another province and got a fragmentary order

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Speaker 6: of frago as we call it the Marine Corps to

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Speaker 6: get our butts in the job immediately and go help

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Speaker 6: out our teammates.

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Speaker 11: And to go fight. And that was very early on

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Speaker 11: the morning of five August.

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Speaker 6: And for the next twenty two days it was just

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Speaker 6: battle NonStop.

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Speaker 11: In whether that's.

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Speaker 6: Is almost you know, up to that point my life

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Speaker 6: was never experienced anything like that. And then the battle

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Speaker 6: grounds we had trained in urban environments a lot before

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Speaker 6: going over. I had the privilege to be a rifle

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Speaker 6: two comment on the march to Baghdad. So I had fought,

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Speaker 6: but never in a cemetery that's fifteen to twenty square

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Speaker 6: kilometers depending on the way you measured it. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm just grateful that PBS put that out, or we'll

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Speaker 6: put it out later today so that America gets to see.

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Speaker 11: You know, what do marines do?

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Speaker 6: What a Marin's done for two hundred and fifty years,

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Speaker 6: no matter the challenge, batter all butts off to do

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Speaker 6: whatever we need to do to help keep America safe.

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Speaker 3: What the temperature was correctly from wrong one hundred to

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen degrees during parts of the day

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Speaker 3: that you guys were fighting through this vast cemetery, and

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Speaker 3: folks you'll see tonight it's a cemetery like you would

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Speaker 3: see in New Orleans, a cemetery that's above ground where

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Speaker 3: the the I guess esophagus or the all their tombs

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Speaker 3: are actually abu.

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Speaker 10: Wee on top of each other. But there's also a

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Speaker 10: huge subtraine. Yes, it's just vast, both up and down catacombs.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Scott, what was like to fight through that at

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Speaker 3: those temperatures.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, during the day, it was not on common

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Speaker 6: for it to be one hundred and thirty degrees At

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Speaker 6: the time. I was called cat or, a heavy machine

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Speaker 6: gun anti armor platoon commander. So we had infantrumental riflemen,

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Speaker 6: we had machine gunners, we had missilemen, and so we

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Speaker 6: were one of the forces that could maneuver because we

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Speaker 6: had vehicles. Sometimes we're at clearing buildings. Sometimes we're maneuver

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Speaker 6: and providing supporting fires. But you know, what was it like?

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Speaker 6: It was just more personal up close for all the marines.

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Speaker 6: It was about twelve hundred marines in our unit at

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Speaker 6: some point in the battle, most all of them got involved,

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Speaker 6: and it was just one of those it was almost

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Speaker 6: impossible to describe. They are obviously throughout history marines have fought,

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Speaker 6: you know, in some very very close, up close environments.

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Speaker 6: I think this was just thinking about it now twenty

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Speaker 6: one years later, I don't think we fought in cemeteries,

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Speaker 6: but nothing like this, Nothing in this proximity, this density,

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Speaker 6: the catacombs, the roads that moved in and out of

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Speaker 6: the cemetery, which is very narrow.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, so it was intense in short intense.

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Speaker 3: The reason that you take that, people I think take

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Speaker 3: such pride when they see this film, no matter how

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Speaker 3: bloody it is. In the second, in the in the job,

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Speaker 3: you're essentially fighting in what is the Vatican of the

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Speaker 3: Shite religion. And to the degree that you guys are

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Speaker 3: told by your senior officers and that you're promagading to

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Speaker 3: the troops that the mosque, which is like you know,

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Speaker 3: Saint Peter's Cathedral, to the Shehites, it's their Vatican. You've

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Speaker 3: got to take extra care with that, I mean particularly

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Speaker 3: extra care of that, even to the degree that you

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Speaker 3: know you might put some marines in danger. Tell us

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was incredibly tough. The enemy we refer to

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Speaker 6: as rules of Engagement or ROS. The enemy knew what

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Speaker 6: ours were, and so many aspects of their command post,

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Speaker 6: their mortifying positions, their casualty collection points were at times

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Speaker 6: inside the amount of League Moss complex, and like you're saying,

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Speaker 6: it is huge, a multi kilometer complex. So it was

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Speaker 6: very difficult to be struck by mortar barrages that were

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Speaker 6: launched from inside the complex and then to have to

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Speaker 6: find other ways because the rules of engagement, as the

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Speaker 6: battle progressed. Initially, they were very restrictive, as the documentary

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Speaker 6: lays out, and as the days went on, very similar

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Speaker 6: to something if for those for the Way City veterans

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Speaker 6: from nineteen sixty eight, you'd find the same thing the

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Speaker 6: opening days of the battle, much more restrictive rules of

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Speaker 6: engagement than it went on. So it was very, very challenging.

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Speaker 6: That said Marines, as we've done, you find a way

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Speaker 6: to adapt. You attack the enemy in a different direction,

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Speaker 6: you attack them with a different weapons system. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: it was definitely definitely challenging.

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Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, it was. It is very moving just

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Speaker 10: to hear their stories. I mean, it was so hot.

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Speaker 10: Colonel Mayer describes how they would have they would have

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Speaker 10: IV's in their arm. They'd come out of the fighting

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Speaker 10: in the cemetery and they'd have to be hydrated with

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Speaker 10: IV's and they'd leave the IV stints in so that

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Speaker 10: they can come in and out faster. And you can

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Speaker 10: see him in the film lying there nearly passed out

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Speaker 10: getting hydrated. I mean, it's an and that it's a

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Speaker 10: surreal kind of landscape. And then the mosque, I mean,

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Speaker 10: in the end, you know, they put the Marines, pushed

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Speaker 10: them out of the cemetery into the mosque where they

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Speaker 10: couldn't attack. They were going to send in because of

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Speaker 10: course US troops can't go into the mosque because, as

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Speaker 10: you say, it's one of the holy sites in Shia Islam.

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Speaker 10: So they were going to send in Iraqi commandos and

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Speaker 10: they were all set to do that when another site leader, Sistani,

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Speaker 10: shows up and boom and Soder gets away. Soder and

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Speaker 10: the Mahi Army, you know, survived escaping another day, and

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Speaker 10: you can hear the frustration in some of the Marines

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Speaker 10: at that moment that they didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 10: finish the job and deal with the Madi militia that

615
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Speaker 10: actually plagued I Raq, you know for a long long time,

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Speaker 10: even to today. I believe my potier is still active too.

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Speaker 10: So what was that like, Scott, We didn't talk about

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Speaker 10: that too much with you in the film. And what

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Speaker 10: was it like to sort of suddenly the thing is over,

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Speaker 10: the thing you're preparing for, it doesn't happen and the

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Speaker 10: thing ends.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I you joked when we were offline a

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Speaker 6: little bit about the difference in interviewing two years after

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Speaker 6: and then reflect on it now, you know, in short

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Speaker 6: incredibly frustrating. You know, the Marines, and I'm confident I

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Speaker 6: speak with all the guys that were in BLT one four.

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Speaker 6: You fight your butts off twenty two days in that

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Speaker 6: he and you finally finally get the enemy.

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Speaker 11: You kind of got the bull by the horns, if you.

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Speaker 6: Will, or you know, we' at him with our hands

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Speaker 6: right around his neck, you know, and get ready to

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Speaker 6: finish the job. And then I told us TONI, I'm

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Speaker 6: not exactly sure what happened between the night of twenty

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Speaker 6: five and twenty six August. I just knew we were

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Speaker 6: ready to go into the very final assault and we

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Speaker 6: got word to stand down and some agreement had been

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Speaker 6: reached and or met, and it was frustrating at the time,

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Speaker 6: ready to launch total Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry, but.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know you mentioned that I joked about how

640
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Speaker 10: you guys were different seventeen years ago, but you still

641
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Speaker 10: have the fight.

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Speaker 3: I was really impressed.

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Speaker 10: I think I mentioned this in the break too, about

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Speaker 10: what you said in the screening that you Marines can

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Speaker 10: win any battle. You know, they can't make the strategic decisions,

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Speaker 10: they can't make the deals with but they can't lose.

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Speaker 10: They can't lose. You said that they can't lose. Send

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Speaker 10: us in there. We can't lose. You said that just

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Speaker 10: a couple of weeks ago. So I think we're everyone

650
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Speaker 10: in the audience was impressed. There's some truth. There's truth

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Speaker 10: to that, right, Scott.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: you know, just reflecting on this now, having a privilege

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Speaker 6: to serve for our almost twenty five ten percent of

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Speaker 6: the course history had served marines in three different combat environments,

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Speaker 6: and the missions are hard. But no matter what happens,

657
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Speaker 6: if you need marines to do something, it doesn't matter

658
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 6: how hard it is. We will find a way to

659
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Speaker 6: get it done. We will work together, we will depend

660
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Speaker 6: on noncommissioned officers. And this isn't just this is just

661
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Speaker 6: what marines do. Steve, you asked about why two hundred

662
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Speaker 6: and fifty is so important, because literally, for two hundred

663
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Speaker 6: and fifty years, noncommissioned officers, junior officers, staff, non commissioned

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Speaker 6: officer in the Marine Corps is find a way to

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Speaker 6: get it done. The missions are combat is chaotic, it's uncertain,

666
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Speaker 6: it's nazty, but it doesn't matter. We learned from those

667
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Speaker 6: who've gone before us. Our instructors train us really well

668
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 6: and we depend on each other. And yeah, well was

669
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Speaker 6: it like on a scale of one to ten and

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Speaker 6: million furiating when we were finally ready to close. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: but it's it's not uncommon throughout history, the course history,

672
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Speaker 6: and so our job when you all tell us to go,

673
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 6: you know, for those who are watching us, you tell

674
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Speaker 6: us to go, we're gonna go, and we are going

675
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 6: to attack one hundred miles an hour, and if you

676
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Speaker 6: tell us to stop, we're going to stop. As frustrating

677
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 6: as it might be, but yeah, if that answers your question, Mike, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Michael was Mike was gonna Michael was going to

679
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: make a film about high technology and how it changed

680
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: the battlefield. And he came back and said, after doing

681
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Speaker 3: his research, he realized that what was happening in Iraq

682
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Speaker 3: was a war that was being fought by teenager infantry

683
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Speaker 3: men with nine commissioned officers that not much older above them,

684
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: and these junior officers second first lieutenants, second lieutenants and captains,

685
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Speaker 3: and that's what comes out. And you do have a

686
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: few generals spreaking in there, but the first person participants

687
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: are all in teenagers or in their early How old

688
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: will you Scott when you were in Nundraf.

689
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Speaker 6: Twenty was I twenty two to twenty three? I'm trying

690
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Speaker 6: to thank us born.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two or twenty three. Yeah, I'm telling you the

692
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: whole film. This is one of the powers of the film.

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Speaker 3: These are such young people and talk about.

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Speaker 11: The majority of the Marines are Yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Steve, go ahead, no, go ahead, colonel.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was saying the majority of the Marines in

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Speaker 6: the battle nineteen twenty years old. When you're seeing the

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Speaker 6: scenes that Michael and the team recorded just so powerfully

699
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Speaker 6: inside fighting, whether that be from Tombstone, tombstone to tombstone,

700
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Speaker 6: or inside to catacombs or inside the old city at

701
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Speaker 6: the end, these are nineteen twenty year old Americans. Predominantly,

702
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Speaker 6: they're nonc commissioned officers, you know, plus or minus twenty

703
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 6: one to twenty four years old, and they are They're intense,

704
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 6: they're young, they're they're angry when when when you click

705
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 6: us off safe as we say in the marink or

706
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 6: they're angry and they're going to do whatever they have

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Speaker 6: to do to tect America, to protect each other.

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Speaker 3: Colonel, do you have social media? As any way people

709
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Speaker 3: can can get your coordinates.

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Speaker 6: I generally speaking, I'm not on social media, but yeah, carefully, Yeah,

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00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 6: I'm still I'm still have the privilege to serve and

712
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: do my best to just to serve Marines and do

713
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Speaker 6: what we got to do. So yeah, I don't know Michael.

714
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Speaker 6: Michael's got my contact info. I'm sure he'll figure out

715
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Speaker 6: if someone wants to reach out.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it was nice of the Marines to give Scott

717
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Speaker 10: permission to talk as a private person.

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Speaker 3: Colonel I want to thank you very much. I'm sure

719
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Speaker 3: we're getting a lot of feedback tomorrow. It's a magnificent

720
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Speaker 3: film and you guys represent the best of this country.

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Speaker 3: So sir, thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: All Right, Happy birthday, fellow Marines out there for five

723
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Speaker 6: Thank you.

724
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Speaker 3: Remember we're going to talk about when we come back,

725
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: why PBS, why this has been seventeen years when Michael

726
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: first turned this in. This film is very powerful. Of course,

727
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: we were still in the Iraq War, and it wasn't

728
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: that they didn't like the political message, because some of

729
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: the things that well hold the political side looked totally

730
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: screwed up. It's the fact that they could not believe

731
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Speaker 3: that you just went into this group and that these

732
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Speaker 3: were typical standard marines.

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Speaker 7: Right.

734
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Speaker 3: They refused to believe that. They thought that you either

735
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Speaker 3: had actors or that you're curated and just gotten the

736
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Speaker 3: best of the best. That's right, that's what they did.

737
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Speaker 3: They think they thought I curated, that you curate just

738
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Speaker 3: that it wasn't. You just went in and got the

739
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do this. It's not going to change.

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Speaker 3: Short commercial break, Michael Pack. We got Jack Pasovic going

741
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: to catch up on some news. A lot going on today,

742
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: believe it or not, his mind blowing as is. Yes,

743
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: the Syrian the isis leader, I guess in Syria in

744
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: the White House today. We'll talk all about short break

745
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: back in the moment.

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Speaker 7: Your host Stephen k. Bah.

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Speaker 3: There are very few institutions in world history that have

748
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 3: lasted for a quarter of a millennia. Very few two

749
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years, pretty amazing older than the country. PBS,

750
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: when they first saw this film rejected it. I shouldn't

751
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: say rejected. They just put it into the lockdown beIN.

752
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: We're never going to show it. In fact, if President

753
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: Trump had not won twice, I'll tell pack story in

754
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: the next hour. Michael Pack is one of my old

755
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: time here is you talk about but you talk about

756
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: toughest boot leather Pack, as tough as bout leg because

757
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: they tried to literally destroy him. But this film, and

758
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen him a big screen a long time.

759
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: It was so overwhelmingly powerful when I saw on the

760
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: big screen with the sound, and how beautiful the photography is,

761
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 3: or how stunningly it's so realistic you see the photography.

762
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: When you see you're so proud of these guys that

763
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 3: you could understand PBS with their kind of local slant

764
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: when they first saw they go Pack had to gun

765
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: deck this. This could not just be the average marines

766
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Speaker 3: that fought in these three battles. It just two. Because

767
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: each the first losure crowds amazing, then the draft crowds amazing,

768
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Speaker 3: and second illusion is amazing. They had to think in

769
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Speaker 3: their mind this thing was gun decked, right. That was

770
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Speaker 3: one of the things.

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Speaker 10: I mean, Look, we've tried to get in on it

772
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Speaker 10: every few years for seventeen years, so we've gone through

773
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 10: lots of different heads of programming at PBS, so they

774
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 10: all say different things, and who knows what they really think.

775
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: But one of the things they said, was I used.

776
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Speaker 10: I was like central casting that I called for to

777
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 10: cure edited and I look for ones that looked good

778
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 10: on camera, but but I really didn't. I found the

779
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 10: footage first. And although Colonel Como compliments me, I'm not

780
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 10: entitled to those compliments. Jan Bender, who's going to be

781
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 10: on later, was one of the one of the combat

782
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 10: cameraman whose footage I used. And we used some still

783
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 10: photographs by commercial photographers like Lucian Reed, and they are

784
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 10: the brilliant there.

785
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: That's brilliant.

786
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Speaker 10: The other Lucian Reed risked his own life and hellouse

787
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Speaker 10: to take these photos, extraordinary photos. And Jan Bender in

788
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 10: the Second Battle of Fallujah. And so I've seen a

789
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 10: lot of combat cameraman footage. Most of it is because

790
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 10: these guys are scared, not great footage. Jan's footage was

791
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 10: actually good footage. So I rely on them and I

792
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 10: had the footage, and then we look for the people

793
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 10: in the footage. You know, once you found Jan Bender,

794
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 10: you got to go with the footage of the people

795
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 10: his squad that's in the footage. I can't cast them.

796
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 10: I can't pretend different people are in them. I had

797
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 10: like no power over that, you know, PBS attributes more

798
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 10: power to me than I've got. But they said other

799
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 10: things too that they would say at one point that

800
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 10: it was too pro military. I'm not sure what that meant.

801
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 10: At one point they said, even though this is contract

802
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 10: to the essence of the film, that I needed to

803
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 10: put in more political historical background. I needed to interview

804
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 10: politicians should we or shouldn't be in the work. So

805
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 10: they wanted me to do that. The film was already

806
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 10: ninety minutes, right, they wanted me to add for fifteen

807
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 10: more minutes and then want to give me any money

808
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 10: to do it. I didn't want to do it anyway,

809
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 10: and so who knows. I mean a lot of these

810
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 10: things were fancy ways of saying no. The thing they

811
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Speaker 10: never said and couldn't say, is it isn't a good film.

812
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Speaker 10: And I've had fifteen films on broadcast nationally on PBS,

813
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 10: including another one with You and We'll Rickover after this

814
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 10: one was finished, and so they couldn't say it was

815
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 10: a bad film. So they had to think of things

816
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 10: to say, and these are the things they said. But

817
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Speaker 10: I do think it's courageous of the current president Paula

818
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Speaker 10: Kerger to reverse those seventeen years of no's and give

819
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Speaker 10: us a yes, as you say, on the two hundred

820
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Speaker 10: and fifty of that birthday of the Marine Corps and

821
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Speaker 10: the day before Veterans Day. And she did that knowing

822
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Speaker 10: that part of the story would be the seventeen year

823
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Speaker 10: delay yes, and that is not a good look for PBS,

824
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Speaker 10: and she did it anyway. So I think that's a

825
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 10: courageous stand on Paula's part.

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Speaker 3: Very courageous, incredible. We're going to have Lindell in a second.

827
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Speaker 3: We got a whole an hour to go here, and

828
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Speaker 3: I think post we're gonna try to get post Posta

829
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Speaker 3: was up at Philadelphia to day a very moving commemoration

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Speaker 3: of the Marines. Two fifty one of the one of

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Speaker 3: the groups that fought at in Vietnam had a memorial

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Speaker 3: at the Vietnam Memorial for all the fall and all

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Speaker 3: the Kias, all their brothers in this band of brothers

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Speaker 3: that died there, and they read the individual names and

835
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Speaker 3: It was incredibly moving in the cold and then the rain.

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Speaker 3: Jack Pasovic was there and then Jack was able to

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Speaker 3: interview some of the individuals. Ernie pre eight in this team,

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Speaker 3: which is just the camaraderie those guys have. You know what,

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Speaker 3: fifty sixty years after the after the event is just

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Speaker 3: needs your Veterans Day special. Sir.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the partons are great, but the uh,

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Speaker 4: you know everyone's been texting me, Michael, you're you gonna

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00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 4: get pardon for all your battles and doctor you can't

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00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 4: get pardoned for lawfair. So the lawfair against me though,

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00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: all that stuff still sitting out there. You can look

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Speaker 4: at my Pillow trial dot com. My pillow has been

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00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 4: sued over and over again for defamation. And that's what

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00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 4: we keep fighting daily. And then that and plus Arctic

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Speaker 4: frost against us. So I wish I wish I could

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Speaker 4: get pardoned for all that, for just speaking up against

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Speaker 4: our government private contractors. But what we do, we just

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00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: keep fighting back. And the way we fight back is

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00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 4: to give you the specials. You guys. This is a

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00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 4: war room made in America sale, especially for Veterans Day tomorrow,

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00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 4: you guys, you can get as many as you want.

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Speaker 4: Fourteen ninety eight. We brought back the my pillows fourteen

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Speaker 4: ninety eight for the standard leeds and kings, just a

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Speaker 4: few dollars more. But if you go to my pillow

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Speaker 4: dot com forward slash war Room, you guys, there it

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00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 4: is the Maid in the USA sale. These are all

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Speaker 4: the products we make right here. My body pill is,

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Speaker 4: Bolster pillows, travel pills, the bedtoppers, the Maide in America socks,

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00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: our mattresses. You guys have all been getting our mattresses,

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00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: the best mattresses ever. And I want to say all

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00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 4: of our products right now because of Christmas. You can

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Speaker 4: buy them now, and we're extending for two months. Our

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00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 4: guarantee goes all the way to March first of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six.

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Speaker 8: Promo code war Room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we'll see tomorrow in the ten o'clock or

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Speaker 3: at eleven o'clock hour on Veterans Day stick around the

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Speaker 3: second hour of the Warroom is about to commence