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Speaker 1: Greetings and welcome to a special free agent edition of

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Live. I'm Jason Smith, alongs the NFL Fantasy

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Speaker 1: editor in Michael Fabiano and fantasy analyst Elliott Harrison. We've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of fig dominoes falling free agency. Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: Matt Flynn, Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall will give you all

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Speaker 1: of their fantasy value, what it means for the upcoming season,

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Speaker 1: and of course we will hit on the biggest stories

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Speaker 1: going on the last few hours here at the National

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Speaker 1: Football League, and that is the story of Tim Tebow

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Speaker 1: going to the Jets and bounty Gate. What does it

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Speaker 1: mean that Sean Payton is gonna be gone for a year?

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Speaker 1: How does that affect Drew Brees? Is fantasy value? But guys,

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Speaker 1: let's start with Tim Tebow. You know I'm a Jets fans,

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Speaker 1: so we'll start with him. Now. You're gonna be unbearable. Now,

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Speaker 1: oh wait, I'll be as unbearable as you were last

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Speaker 1: year about Tebow? How much you love Tebow? Said? I

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Speaker 1: don't love him in fantasy anymore, though. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: tough to it's unless something happens and he winds up

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Speaker 1: taking over starting quarterback in New York. That's not him.

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Speaker 1: Happened early on both guys. Because Sanchez finished last year

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Speaker 1: as a top ten fantasy quarterback. He was number ten overall,

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Speaker 1: yet six rushing touchdowns which really helped his value, which

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Speaker 1: he won't have next season. No, but now you have

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Speaker 1: Tebow cutting into Sanchez. Are the Are either of them

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Speaker 1: even draftable at this point? Consider Sanchez I think is

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Speaker 1: draftable out Tebow? I don't think is. I think Sanchez

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Speaker 1: is draftable. But sometimes those rankings are there, dicey should

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Speaker 1: we say, I mean, could you ever have a lot

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Speaker 1: of confidence last year or did you ever have a

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Speaker 1: lot of confidence with Mark Sanchez and your fantasy lineup?

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Speaker 1: I never did. I had him on my roster. Remember

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Speaker 1: it was every other week. He was horrible one week

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Speaker 1: than he was great. Then he was horrible than he

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Speaker 1: was great. And I think he is going to be

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Speaker 1: more inconsistent because of two factors. One, Schottenheimer's gone. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to throw the ball that much. They want

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Speaker 1: to do the ground and pound. Number Two, six touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: that's thirty six fantasy points. Maybe he has two next season.

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Speaker 1: That takes him down quite a bit. He gets down

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Speaker 1: to in between fifteen and twenty at the quarterback position

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Speaker 1: based on fantasy points, at least in my opinion. Because

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Speaker 1: Tebow comes in there near the goal line, He's gonna

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Speaker 1: hurt Sanchanzi's value. He's gonna hurt Shaan Green's value. He

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Speaker 1: could hurt Joe McKnight's fantasy value. Who I know that

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Speaker 1: you like Jason. So it's a good move for the Jets,

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Speaker 1: and Jason Smith will clearly be wearing it in tebow jersey,

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Speaker 1: uh in green and white, sooner than later. Perspect that

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Speaker 1: should have it already. It's it's not a great move.

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Speaker 1: You've made a lot of the Jets really fantasy irrelevant

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Speaker 1: because now you know they're not gonna throw the football

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Speaker 1: as much, which means less of a value for Santonio Holmes,

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Speaker 1: who had a bad year last year. Are really gonna

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Speaker 1: draft chas Chlen's who's gonna be the number two guys? Ostensibly? Alright,

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Speaker 1: you have Dustin Keller, who maybe is a good tight end.

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Speaker 1: He has a great week every three or four weeks. Really,

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Speaker 1: the Jets have become almost like just the addition of Tebow,

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Speaker 1: they've become a fantasy waste land because none of these

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Speaker 1: guys you can draft and say they're gonna be in

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Speaker 1: my line up every week. That's what this addition has

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Speaker 1: done to them. Well, I think, you know, if it's

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Speaker 1: me and I'm looking at the Jets, I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Dustin Keller still having pretty good value, and I think

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Speaker 1: Sean Green is somebody that you can roll the dice with.

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Speaker 1: They haven't given up on him. I don't think Sean

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Speaker 1: Green was the problem. The right side of that offensive

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Speaker 1: line was terrible last year, and Mark sanchez struggles affected

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Speaker 1: the running game. I mean, if if if your receivers

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Speaker 1: aren't getting any separation, your quarterbacks not accurate, your running

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Speaker 1: game is gonna suffer because the defense is gonna put

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Speaker 1: that safety in the box. So if it's me and

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Jets from a fantasy perspective, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking Dustin Keller one and probably Green too. All right Now,

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Speaker 1: another quarterback that's been in the news for different reasons

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Speaker 1: has been Drew Brees, and this is for fantasy wise.

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Speaker 1: He's the one we are concerned about because of the

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Speaker 1: fall out of Saints bounty gate. We found out this

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Speaker 1: week Sean Payton suspended for the entire season. G M.

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Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis has gone for eight games. They're losing a

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Speaker 1: under a cloud with a different type of leadership. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a rougher season for the Saints going forward.

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Speaker 1: Does this change? When we talked about this on our

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Speaker 1: instant debate on NFL dot com, you can find a

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash fantasy. Does this change Drew Brees

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Speaker 1: is fantasy value as far as where you would draft him,

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Speaker 1: because right now he's someone you would draft right at

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Speaker 1: the top Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Cam Newton. Does this

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Speaker 1: affect his value everywhere? With this decision? Knowing going forward,

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Speaker 1: him above Tom Brady. I'm moving him down one because

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about a second year quarterback who has

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Speaker 1: had medio over fantasy numbers and mediocre success. This is

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I think he could probably run this offense

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Speaker 1: in his sleep, and I think Elliott agrees with me too.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that worries me, if there's one thing,

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Speaker 1: is that the cohesiveness of the team. Peyton's gone, they

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Speaker 1: lost draft picks. Uh, who knows what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: in terms of other suspensions. So that's what bothers me

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But I'm also sort of a realist

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Speaker 1: in that, is Drew Brees really gonna throw fords and

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Speaker 1: forty six touchdowns? Again, I don't think he was doing

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Speaker 1: that even with Peyton calling the shots all year long.

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Speaker 1: So is Drew Brees still worth the first and pick?

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Speaker 1: I think he is. I can't put him below Matt

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Speaker 1: Stafford or Cam Newton or Tony Romo. Guys, can you Well,

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Speaker 1: you know we had this discussion at fabs Lush. You

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Speaker 1: know his his giant office he has here, Yeah, giant office,

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Speaker 1: giant office here in Culver City. And and I referat, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have the George Costanza refrigerator under your desk. It

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Speaker 1: works out pretty well. It's like college. That's why you

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Speaker 1: had to walk across the street to get me my

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Speaker 1: Mountain dew, which I greatly appreciate. But you know, you

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Speaker 1: look at the Saints. Keep in mind they spent a

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Speaker 1: first round pick on mark Ingram last year. They didn't

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Speaker 1: do that just for giggles. So when you talk about it,

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Speaker 1: is he gonna have the same numbers? I think they

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Speaker 1: run the football more. Secondly, there's no way he's over

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. In my book, tom Brady just got Brandon Lloyd.

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Speaker 1: Love that added to I love that too, added to

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Speaker 1: his arsenal. In fact, you can make a case for

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady being number one because Aaron Rodgers lost Philbin

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Speaker 1: and you never know when you lose. When you pull

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Speaker 1: a coach out of the mid mix, you never know

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Speaker 1: what's gonna have. But now, will Brees be greatly affected

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Speaker 1: by Sean Payton not being there? I think he'll be

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Speaker 1: affected somewhat. But Breeze already picks his favorite plays. You

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Speaker 1: during the game. Half of those players I guarantee or

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Speaker 1: plays that he picked that he told Peyton that he

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Speaker 1: I think is I think the lowest you can go.

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Speaker 1: And I can see myself doing this where if it

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Speaker 1: comes to the draft and I'm like, boy, do I

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Speaker 1: take Cam Newton or do I take Drew Brees. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll take Cam Newton here. I don't drop him past

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Speaker 1: five because there's still those five elite quarterbacks and we've

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Speaker 1: of everybody else. He's still ahead of Peyton Manning. He's

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Speaker 1: ahead of Romo, He's ahead of Michael Vick, He's ahead

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Speaker 1: I see mess myself taking Brady or Rogers those guys

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Speaker 1: got the bounce back factor that FABS talked about. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get below the fifth overall quarterback for me,

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Speaker 1: which is still a first rounder. Right, I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: You know, Pete Carmichael, he actually did get some play

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Speaker 1: not completely in app there. And again we're not talking

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Speaker 1: but but you but this is Drew Brees. This is

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees. There's always gonna be I just want to say,

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Speaker 1: there's always gonna kne jerk reaction anything. You're always gonna

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Speaker 1: have those guys that think that Drew Brees is all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden gonna be Derek Anderson this year and

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Speaker 1: that's just not gonna happen. And let's not forget one

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Speaker 1: really important factor. What do we always talk about about

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Speaker 1: you're concerned that he's not gonna play a full slate

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Speaker 1: of games. Drew Brees always suits up for sixteen games,

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Speaker 1: and you can't discount that in fantasy having that reliability.

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Speaker 1: Now you talk about suiting up for sixteen games. That

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Speaker 1: brings us to Peyton Manning. On the surface, we think

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Speaker 1: a tough schedule, but doesn't play a lot of tough defenses.

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Speaker 1: So that's a good thing. Peyton Manning. Where do you

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Speaker 1: draft him? Where do you draft Peyton Manning next year? Well,

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Speaker 1: first I want to talk about where I rank him,

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Speaker 1: and I have him right in that tier with Tony

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. I have Manning at number eight among quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and there is the risk factor. He's thirty six this season,

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Speaker 1: he's had multiple neck surgeries. The upside is he's Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 1: In his last full season he threw forty seven yards.

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Speaker 1: That was a career best thirty three touchdowns the year

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Speaker 1: before three touchdowns. He wasn't exactly declining statistically or from

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Speaker 1: a fantasy perspective. And we've all talked about over the

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Speaker 1: last year how this has become a passing league and

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is going to pick defenses apart. Now. I

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Speaker 1: love the weapons that he has there. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about that as well. There's again some risk because

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Speaker 1: not be afraid to draft Peyton Manning at and around

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Speaker 1: I think we're Manning might hurt you. Besides the availability factor,

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Speaker 1: which is how you brought us in this conversation. And

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Speaker 1: do you always say a player's best ability is his

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Speaker 1: availability and on me that every day? Am I wrong? No,

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Okay, So Peyton Manning, I worry about that,

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Speaker 1: But interceptions I do worry about two. He threw a

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Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. I'm not saying it is a

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Speaker 1: turnover machine, but when a guy has had a layoff,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look what happened with Carson Palmer. I know

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is a better player than Carson Palmer, but

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Speaker 1: games for a year, you wonder how much they're gonna

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Speaker 1: force the ball. You think some of that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: worked out in many camps. It will be worked out

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Speaker 1: if Manning has maybe fifteen to twenty interceptions this year.

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Speaker 1: Still plays great football, still has over four thousand yards,

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Speaker 1: still has thirty five touchdowns. I'm just saying, don't be

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Speaker 1: surprised if there's also seventeen interceptions. Yeah, I know, and

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Speaker 1: I can see that, and I think it's it's two

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Speaker 1: different questions with where you should draft Peyton Manning and

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Speaker 1: second round because of a couple of things that Elliott said.

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Speaker 1: He was early in the year, and he also has

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Speaker 1: youth on his side. He's he's a young running back

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Speaker 1: and if you guys remember he had one of his

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Speaker 1: best seasons, if not his best season. From a fancy

428
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Speaker 1: perspective with Thomas Jones there so does Peyton Hillis hurt

429
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Speaker 1: his value, no doubt about it. Goal line carries, short yardage,

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Speaker 1: Peyton Hillis is a versatile back and catch the ball

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Speaker 1: in the backfield. But also remember that Charles is used

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Speaker 1: to be in sort of in this committee situation. The

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Speaker 1: one thing that I worry about is how much of

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Speaker 1: his explosiveness was left on the operating table, because that's

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Speaker 1: where he makes his place. What did the average Elliott

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Speaker 1: four point seven yards of carry five yards of carry

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Speaker 1: when he was having his great statistical season with Charles? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was. He was unbelievable. He was unbelievable. See even

439
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Speaker 1: he was great, how much of that was left on

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Speaker 1: the operating only. In fact, I believe only Jim Brown

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Speaker 1: with that many carries average more yards per carry in

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Speaker 1: a season than Jamal Charles. He was fantaic. And I

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Speaker 1: do remember Thomas Jones. That's what I was saying, is

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Speaker 1: that I Thomas Jones was in that backfield, started a

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Speaker 1: lot of the games, getting the carries. I think Charles

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Speaker 1: would be okay. One more thing to keep in mind, Jason,

447
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Speaker 1: is that Peyton Hillis has had a problematic hamstring. And

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Speaker 1: you know we're talking right now, it's March. You know,

449
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Speaker 1: you never know in training camp Hillis strains at hamstring

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Speaker 1: and he's out the first six games of the year.

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Speaker 1: You're just not sure what's gonna happen there. So Luckily

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Speaker 1: we don't have to draft right now. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: speaking of draft because now there is a bit of

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Speaker 1: a debate because if none of the Carolina Panthers running

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Speaker 1: backs were draftable now because of how the value they

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Speaker 1: are with Cam Newton. Now you're throwing in Mike Tilbert,

457
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Speaker 1: who we thought would go to a different place where

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Speaker 1: he'd be more fantasy relevant. But now you have D'Angelo Williams,

459
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Speaker 1: who has all the money and was disappointing right he

460
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Speaker 1: came on a little bit towards the end of last year.

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Speaker 1: You have Jonathan Stewart who catches the ball out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield and runs the ball a little bit. This

463
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Speaker 1: is exactly what Mike Tilbert does. There's such a log

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Speaker 1: gym there right now. And even if they do wind

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Speaker 1: up making it work where we take one of these

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Speaker 1: guys out of the equation asian, how draftable are whoever

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Speaker 1: is left is a running including Mike Tilbert, How draftable

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Speaker 1: are these guys in Carolina? Not much? Listen, I want

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Speaker 1: to see what happens first, if they make any other

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Speaker 1: moves in that backfield. But why would the Panthers sign

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Speaker 1: a running back when they need a wide receiver so

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Speaker 1: badly to compliment Steve Smith. So you've got I think

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Speaker 1: Stewart is still the best option of the three. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's no more than a flex player. I think D'Angelo

475
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Speaker 1: is no more than a low end flex player. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't even draft Mike Tilbert at this point unless maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna touchdown only league. But even then, they signed

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Speaker 1: him to be a fullback. So how much of the

479
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Speaker 1: workload will he really see? Goal line carries that That's

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm a little bit concerned. And how does

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Speaker 1: he affect Cam Newton. Cam Newton had fourteen rushing touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: I I've said from day one once the offseason started,

483
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Speaker 1: He's not doing that again. There's no way, There's no way.

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Speaker 1: I see this move made for two reasons, Jason. I

485
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Speaker 1: think that Mike Tolbert. First of all, they needed a thumper.

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Speaker 1: You don't want your franchise quarterback being your thumper, being

487
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Speaker 1: your guy who scores from shortyard. They need to protect Newton. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: they love his game, they love that he runs wild,

489
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Speaker 1: but they're not gonna be good with him not on

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Speaker 1: the field. Secondly, you never know what they're gonna do

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Speaker 1: on draft Day. What if they throw Stewart out, there

492
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Speaker 1: is is trade bait. So you never know when you've

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Speaker 1: got three backs like that. Now you have a chip,

494
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Speaker 1: and it's a chip that you can play on draft

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Speaker 1: day if you want to move around. So I really

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Speaker 1: think we're not gonna know the full scope they're running

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Speaker 1: back situation until after that time. That said, I would

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Speaker 1: stay away from the Panthers big time. If I were

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Speaker 1: drafting today, I would not touch those guys. I agree

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Speaker 1: with FABS. If I'm picking one guy, I'm picking Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Stewart and I'm playing him in the flex. All right. Now.

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Speaker 1: Another in breaking news, we found out on Wednesday the

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Speaker 1: destination for the law firm is not New York. It

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Speaker 1: was rumored to go to the New York Jets, but

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Speaker 1: now he's gonna be a Cincinnati Bengal. Ben Jarvis green

506
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Speaker 1: Ellis will be in the Black and Orange next season.

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Speaker 1: They parted ways with Cedric Benson, who had a couple

508
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Speaker 1: of nice seasons with a lot of carries, but does

509
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Speaker 1: have some mileage runs with heavy legs. Here comes green Ellis,

510
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Speaker 1: who never really got the chance to be the number

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Speaker 1: one running back in New England, and let's face it,

512
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Speaker 1: New England doesn't run the football all that much because

513
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Speaker 1: you don't do that. But here he is now in

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Speaker 1: a situation in Cincinnati where you know they like to

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Speaker 1: run the football. You know they want to help Andy

516
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Speaker 1: Dalton be able to progress as best as he can.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna rely heavier on Ben Jarvis green

518
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Speaker 1: Ellis he's shown flashes before. Is the only time he

519
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Speaker 1: got to start more than eleven games. He had his

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Speaker 1: best season of his of his young career so far.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got sneaky good value in in in

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Speaker 1: fantasy right now. He could be a if depending on

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Speaker 1: where you're drafting, he could be a really good low

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Speaker 1: end number two or a high end number three reflex

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Speaker 1: player because I think he has that kind of potential

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Speaker 1: like we saw with Cedric Benson, where he could get

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Speaker 1: close to double digit touchdowns seventy eight yards rushing a

528
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Speaker 1: game because he's going to be the guy that gets

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Speaker 1: the ball in Cincinnati at this point. Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: I think Jason's right Elliott. But what if the Bengals

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Speaker 1: go out in draft are running back. That is where

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Speaker 1: I'd have some concerns. So as it stands right now,

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Speaker 1: do I think the law firm could be a two

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Speaker 1: in fantasy and ice flex I do if they go

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Speaker 1: out and get Trent Richardson or another running back to

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Speaker 1: come in and complement the Law Firm and Bernard Scott,

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Speaker 1: then I think you have a different issue. The domino

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Speaker 1: effect here, guys, is that Stephen Ridley is starting to

539
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Speaker 1: become a nice sleeper because the Patriots no longer have

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Speaker 1: the Law Firm, You've got Ridley and you've got Danny

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Speaker 1: woodhead out there. Um, I think Ridley is someone that

542
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Speaker 1: you have to have on your radar. Is Ridley someone

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Speaker 1: that have on your radar? Is really someone that you

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Speaker 1: know if I take a chance on him in the

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Speaker 1: eighth round, that he could really be. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna take chances on a lot of running backs

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Speaker 1: fabs this year. There's a lot of guys you're gonna say,

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Speaker 1: I'm rolling the dice totally, totally so. And we all

549
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: know the Patriots, right. You can't predict what's going on

550
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Speaker 1: in that backfield because one week you think it's gonna

551
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Speaker 1: be Ben Jarvis green Ellis and then all of a sudden,

552
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Speaker 1: Stephen Ridley is in there. Um or it's Danny Woodhead.

553
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Speaker 1: So it's almost like a Mike Shanahan situation where you

554
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Speaker 1: can't trust anyone in that Patriots backfield. But the player

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Speaker 1: with the best upside from a fantasy perspective, I think

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Speaker 1: Elliott is Stephen Ridley. Yeah, I I could see Ridley,

557
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Speaker 1: especially such a young player. One thing about the Law Firm.

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00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: He's younger than Cedric Benson and he's never fumbled. He's

559
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Speaker 1: never fumbled. Now that may not mean anything, and now

560
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna fumble a thousand times. Well could be that

561
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Speaker 1: a lot of the football at Cincinnati thanks to Elliott.

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Speaker 1: But head coaches love guys that don't turn over the football,

563
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Speaker 1: especially when you have a young quarterback. The Bengals are

564
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Speaker 1: not playing shootout football. They're trying to play good defense

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Speaker 1: and not turn over the ball. So I think Law

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Speaker 1: Firm can get twenty carries a game and, as you say,

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Speaker 1: be a real sleeper this season for that team. And

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Speaker 1: you know, keep in mind, he played in an offense

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Speaker 1: in New England where they were spreading the field all

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Speaker 1: the time. It wasn't just the fact that he was

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Speaker 1: in a backfield by committee. I mean he was in

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Speaker 1: an offense by committee. Yes, I mean you had Dion Branch,

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Speaker 1: you had West Welker, you had Gronk, you know, you

574
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Speaker 1: had Aaron Hernandez. So in Cincinnati, it's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: like that at all. And so I think that his

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Speaker 1: his values shot to the roof for me. I mean

577
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Speaker 1: when I draft him ahead of Jamal Charles. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: But you know, barring what they do in the draft,

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Speaker 1: I think law Firm is a very very good guy

580
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: to look at before we get to the wide receivers here,

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Speaker 1: because there's some plenty of big names that have changed places.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget follow us on Twitter at NFL Fantasy or

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Speaker 1: at NFL Colm Live. Get the phone number there to

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Speaker 1: call and get your thoughts heard like we had earlier

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Speaker 1: in the podcast. Now, because our producer is forty Niners

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Speaker 1: fan extraordinary Dylan Muelner, let's begin with the big change

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Speaker 1: considering when you complete one pass to a wide receiver

588
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Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship Game, you have to go out

589
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: and make your team better. The forty Niners went out

590
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: and got Randy Moss and Mario Manningham super Bowl hero

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Speaker 1: Fantasy wise, first of all, if you have to pick,

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Speaker 1: have one of these guys for next year, Randy Moss,

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Speaker 1: Mario Manningham. Who do you want neither? I mean, i'd

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Speaker 1: want Manningham as you see I want, I'd want Crabtree

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Speaker 1: and i'd want I don't even know that i'd want

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Speaker 1: him man mosses thirty five. He didn't play last year,

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Speaker 1: and for all of the reports of how Grady was

598
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: at his workouts during the off season, three teams quit

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Speaker 1: on him. Three teams, that's special. Three The Patriots gave

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Speaker 1: up on him. Then he went to Minnesota, they gave

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Speaker 1: up on him. Then the Titans didn't release him, but

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00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: they basically gave up on him because he didn't play,

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00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like the Titans had these great elite

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Speaker 1: wide receivers ahead of him on the depth chart. I

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00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: think Moss is a late run flyer at best. This

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00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: is not a passing offense. Alex Smith is not Joe Montana.

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Speaker 1: Despite what we saw in that one playoff game against

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Speaker 1: the Saints last season. I don't like Moss. I think

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Speaker 1: Mario Manningham's value if it if it's not sort of stagnant,

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Speaker 1: it drops a little bit because I think Eli manning

611
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: is clearly a much better quarterback than Alex Smith. And

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00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: the Giants throw the ball much more than the Niners.

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Speaker 1: I I'm not in love with any of these receivers.

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Speaker 1: I think Vernon Davis is the guy to go after

615
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Speaker 1: in Frank Gore and after that, Flyer Picks in San Francisco. Well,

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything that Fats just said, except for

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Speaker 1: the last part. Regarding Manningham, I do think he's gonna

618
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: be more valuable this year than he was last year

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Speaker 1: because he got lost in the Keem Knicks Victor Cruz shuffle.

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00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I think he had five odd yards. Doesn't get lost

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Speaker 1: in the Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Randy Moss shuffle. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel that he does. Randy Moss may be able

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Speaker 1: to run a four or three, five or whatever in

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Speaker 1: his workout, but there are so many nuances to playing

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Forty yard dash speed really doesn't mean that

626
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: much in the game anymore. I was just talking to

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Speaker 1: Brian Baldinger about this the other day. You've got to

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Speaker 1: have the want to, and that's the question with Randy

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Speaker 1: Moss all the time, isn't it. You gotta have the

630
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Speaker 1: want to to do the little dirty work that makes

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Speaker 1: a receiver great. Jerry Rice did it, Michael Irvin didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Randy Moss wants to do that anymore.

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Speaker 1: I do agree that Vernon Davis Vernon Davis is the

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00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: number one option and that that passing attack. So do

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00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I think Manningham has great value? No? Do I think

636
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna be any worse than last year? No, because

637
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: it Keem Knicks and Victor Cruz were clearly the one

638
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: in the two. Yeah, Moss is one of those guys,

639
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: like I said before, no matter where he is, I

640
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: don't draft him because I don't think he'll even be

641
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: on the team after week. Because, as you said, going

642
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: through three teams in the years is pretty special to do.

643
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: I don't like Crabtree as much because I felt Alex

644
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: Smith has had his chance to get into a rhythm

645
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: and and make crab Tree is number one guy that

646
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: hasn't worked. So if I'm taking a chance round ten,

647
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: round eleven, round twelve, I need a wide receiver. I'll

648
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: go with Mario Manningham just because the possibility is there,

649
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: because he has produced with the Giants before. Maybe with

650
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: more of a role, he's able to do it. Now.

651
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: Moss gonnae take the top off of some defenses deep.

652
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: So he's the guy I'd roll the dice on maybe

653
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: later on, but yeah, I'll tell you what these two

654
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: big signings by the Niners, and fantasy wise, you look

655
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: how minimal impact they really have. Vincent Jackson to the Buccaneers,

656
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: right the number one wide receiver that was out there.

657
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: The Buccaneers trying to win the Super Bowl of the

658
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: off season, signing every big player they can under the sun.

659
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: Here's Vincent Jackson, who has been an elite wide receiver.

660
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: But look, at the end of last year, the Chargers

661
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: lost confidence in him, had that big time we didn't

662
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: turn around for the football on Thursday Night football. That

663
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: really was his ticket out of town with the Chargers

664
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: didn't want to sign him anymore. He's starting over here

665
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay. It is Josh Freeman. They do have

666
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: a couple of weapons there. Where's been in Jackson's value.

667
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: I have him right up there at the wide receiver position. Uh,

668
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: for busts and fantasy, I don't like him. I don't

669
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: like him in Tampa Bay. This helps Josh Freeman, It

670
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: certainly helps Josh Freeman's fantasy value, But Vincent Jackson in

671
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: an offense that great, that great Ciano. He's going to

672
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: run the ball. He's gonna run it. Elliott's looking at

673
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: me with a with a grin like the cat that

674
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: just ate the canary, So I know he's got something

675
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: to say. Vincent Jackson, I don't like that move to

676
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay from a fantasy perspective. Yeahs as far as

677
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: Vincent jack we'll get to our car at a second,

678
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: because he actually has a big tight end question. We'll

679
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: get to that in a couple of minutes after we

680
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: get through some of the wide receivers here. But um,

681
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't know he's another guy that would be undraftable

682
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: for me that I just think it's too much of

683
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: a of a new face and a new place that

684
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: we've seen the best of Vince and Jackson. I wonder

685
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: how motivated anytime you give a wide receiver a ton

686
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: of money. I always wonder how motivated are you? Because

687
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers seem to do great, then they get paid,

688
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: and then suddenly it's well, all right, that's fine, I'm

689
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: getting money. He may have a sent season, but I

690
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: kind of stay away from him. Brandon Marshall, though, is

691
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: someone even though he's got all kinds of problems off

692
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the field. Here he is now you put him on

693
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. Finally, Jay Cutler is reunited with Brandon Marshall,

694
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: who had phenomenal seasons hundred catch seasons early in his career.

695
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: He's the only guy that's gonna get the football there.

696
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: With Matt Forte, they have that dimension that he's gonna

697
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: be able to get the ball. The Bears realized, hey,

698
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: we max protecting Jay culor he's gonna get the football

699
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: out of there. Brandon Marshall, to me, takes a huge

700
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: leap up. I don't know if he's the second round

701
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: pick he might have been earlier on, but to me,

702
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: he's definitely a third or fourth round wide receiver, even

703
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: though he's changing teams and wide receivers struggle. I think

704
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall someone because of the familiarity with Jay Cutler.

705
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: I take a chance on that high. Yeah. I agree

706
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: with you, And I think Elliott you've got that You've

707
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: got that look on your face like you're you've got

708
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: something brilliant to say, I'm gonna step back, go ahead. Well,

709
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: I I for Bucks fans. I worry about the Alvin

710
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: Harper syndrome with Vincent Jackson. Six million dollars guaranteed is

711
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot of money to pay a

712
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: guy like this. We means that in theory, he should

713
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: be a big part of that offense. Now, what other

714
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: weapons do the Bucks have to take attention away from him?

715
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: Not a lot, not a lot. So that bodes well.

716
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: But do you want to draft him really high? I

717
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: think it's too big a risk. I agree with you

718
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: there now Brandon Marshall. I like Brandon Marshall better than

719
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: Vincent Jackson. I think the Bears offensive line is gonna

720
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: be better. That's been the laughing stock of the league

721
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: for long enough. Gave Creemy got hurt last year. He

722
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: was their top overall pick. Cutler is gonna have better protection.

723
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, Matt Forte, his back teams are gonna

724
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: have to account for him. They better hope he doesn't

725
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: hold out. They better hope. Well, again, we're talking in

726
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: March here, So that all bodes well for Brandon Marshall.

727
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: And you have the fact that Cutler and Marshall work

728
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: together so well in Denver. The big problem with Marshall

729
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: in Miami was not the catches. It wasn't the touches,

730
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: it was the lack of touchdown receptions. And I think

731
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: that's where Forte will help get them down the field

732
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: so that Marshall can get seven or eight to ten

733
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: touchdown receptions as opposed to what was it three he

734
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: had his first year in my cut almost ninety balls,

735
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: had three touchdowns. He had no chemistry with anybody that

736
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: was still in the football, and he had the chemistry

737
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: with Jay Cutler. This is a great move for Brandon Marshall.

738
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: It's a great move for Jay Culer. I don't know

739
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: the Jay color is the top ten fantasy quarterback, but

740
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: I think Marshall's a low end number one, a very

741
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: high end number two at worst. And what's funny is

742
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: that he comes in and if we're looking at the

743
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: Bears franchise since the Super Bowl era, he's the best

744
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: receiver they've ever had. He is the best receiver they've

745
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: ever had. I think there's only been seven instances where

746
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: they've had thousand yard receivers. Marcus Robinson, Martyr's Conner uh

747
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: Dick Gordon. That's it. There. There's no Bobby Ingram, No,

748
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: there's not. There's not a lot. So he comes in

749
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: and he is the best. Willie Goalt wasn't even a

750
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: thoust Graham, Yes, Curtis Conway right, so they haven't had

751
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: much both of them later on in their career after

752
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: they were goods. Is that it is that it So?

753
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: I think Marshall is probably a third rounder, maybe a

754
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: late second, and it's wealth team league depending on what

755
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of run you see at the wide receiver position

756
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: in the second round. But his value is certainly on

757
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: the rise. The only issue with him is that he's

758
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: got a two cent head and hopefully he can keep

759
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: that issue off the field and and produce on it.

760
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Here's a tough one for you guys, because he's gonna

761
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: be the number two receiver on his team, but the

762
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: potential for production is incredible. Brandon Lloyd. I know how

763
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: much FABS likes Brandon this couple of times. I don't

764
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: like it because I'm a Jet fan, But fantasy wise,

765
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: I love the move for Brandon Lloyd because he's someone

766
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: who has shown that no matter who was throwing him

767
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: the football, he can get good chemistry with him and

768
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: get it pretty quickly, whether it was Sam Bradford or

769
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: Kellen Clemens, you know, or whether whoever it wasn't Denver

770
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: throwing in the football. I think John Elway through a

771
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: couple of passes at one point he's been able to

772
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: produce and now you put him in that past happy

773
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: offense now in New England. His his draft value is

774
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: boyd am I gonna get a gem and getting him

775
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: late or someone gonna reach for him early? He's gotta

776
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: right now. He's one of those guys we really scratch

777
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: a head and go where where do I really have

778
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: to look to get him? Because I don't know where

779
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: people are gonna try to take him out. I love

780
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: this movie. You know a lot of people were down

781
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: on Brandon Lloyd last year. You know, FABS you talked

782
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: about how his numbers were gonna be down from the

783
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: year before, and they were. But keep in mind, this

784
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: guy was on a Denver team that didn't have a

785
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: lot of firepower that changed quarterbacks. He got traded to

786
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: the Rams, who had no offensive line and had Sam

787
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: Bradford struggling so badly, and he still almost had a

788
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: thousand yards receiving. He came very close. I think he

789
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: caught seventy passes five touchdowns with the Rams, and he

790
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: also missed a couple of games, so you have that

791
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: kind of production in those awful circumstances. What's he gonna

792
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: do in New England system? With Tom Brady throwing him

793
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: the football. He's easily an upgrade over Dion Branch in

794
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: my opinion. If Wes Welker takes attention away from him

795
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: as well as Gronkowski, that only bodes well for fantasy owners.

796
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: The Patriots throw the ball so much that I don't

797
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: think you have to worry about him not getting enough touches.

798
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: It's a great move, and I think it's a great

799
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: value if you can get in the right branches. Branches

800
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: over the hill Oto Sinko's he's over two hills at

801
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: this point. He's just done an entire mountain of hills exactly,

802
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: So you've got the Tom Brady effect. And when I

803
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: interviewed Brandon a few weeks ago, he when you mentioned

804
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's name, he just closed and he just he

805
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: knows that Josh knows how to utilize him like no

806
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: other coach that he's ever had in his NFL career.

807
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: And he was with the Niners and the Redskins and

808
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: the Bears and all of a sudden. He just clicked

809
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: with McDaniels. It's a perfect fit. What did Tom Brady

810
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: not have last year? In the past attack, he didn't

811
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: have a vertical threat. Now he does. You can't double

812
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: cover Brandon Lloyd either because Gronkowski will kill you because Welco,

813
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: or kill you because Aaron Hernandez will kill you. So

814
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: this is a perfect perfect fit. Maybe he'll be inconsistent

815
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: at times because there are so many options in the

816
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: past attack for Brady to throw the ball too. But

817
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: as Elliott said, they throw it so much. I'd be

818
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: shocked if Lloyd didn't have at least eleven yards and

819
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: somewhere around double digit touchdowns. I can see him having

820
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: eight to ten somewhere in that area. I think he's

821
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: probably gonna come off the board somewhere in the middle rounds,

822
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: around five, round six. He could be a really good

823
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: number two fantasy receiver. Remember keep in mind that he's

824
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: got one of the greatest quarterbacks ever throwing him the football.

825
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, who was the offensive coordinator

826
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: in New England when Tom Brady broke like every record

827
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: in the book for quarterbacks. It was McDaniels. All right,

828
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: So we talked about the Brady effect. We have the

829
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: Breeze effect, we have the Peyton Manning effect. Do we

830
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: have a Philip Rivers effect in San Diego with Robert

831
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: meet him? Because remember meet him had Drew Brees throw

832
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: him the football. You could never but meet him also,

833
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: and this is the one thing that I worry about

834
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: with meet Him. He wasn't good enough in New Orleans

835
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: where he actually could see a full confliment of snaps.

836
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: He saw what maybe six of the snaps in New

837
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: Orleans last year, Elliott, So the fit is great. North

838
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: Turner seems to think he could be a number one receiver.

839
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: The opportunity is going to be there. He's got another

840
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: elite quarterback throwing him the football. He's probably a number

841
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: two e in fantasy. But I want to see him

842
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: go out and do it because I would. As Jason said,

843
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: he had Drew Brees and an offense that throws the

844
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: ball a ton, and he was ridiculously inconsistent for fantasy.

845
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: You know, Elli, I'm not worried about Philip Rivers because

846
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: we've seen when Vincent Jackson took that nosed at the

847
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: end of last year, Rivers started throwing the football and

848
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: Malcolm Floyd. He would get that, he would spread the

849
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: ball around, and Jackson Rivers was great. Yeah, he was great.

850
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw about the shade your tooth and

851
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Craighton. Right, So I'm not worried about Rivers. I

852
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: think Rivers is still that elite level of quarterbacks, I'm not.

853
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: But as far as meet him coming in and being suddenly,

854
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: oh he's the number one guy and I'm expecting Vincent

855
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Jackson numbers, There's no way. I mean, Meats was another

856
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: guy he might be undraftable for me just because he's

857
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 1: too much of a risk. Well, I see both sides

858
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: of it on meets him, and not to speak out

859
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: of both sides of my mouth, but I see the

860
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: positives and the negatives. I think the positives from meet

861
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: chum that could give you confidence about drafting him. Jason

862
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: is Who's the other number one there? I mean? Is

863
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 1: is it? Is Malcolm Floyd really going to be the guy?

864
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates can't stay healthy? He could, he could barely

865
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: move sometimes and then sometimes he's great, but he's getting older.

866
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: They just got rid of part of their running game,

867
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: so how much are they gonna run the football? Tilbertson

868
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: in Carolina. Ryan Matthews can't stay healthy to save his life,

869
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: so all the sayings playing and Philip Rivers can't be

870
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: any worse than he was last year. Throwing in her

871
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: Rivers could be a nice value this year. The only

872
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: downside I see FABS here is that keep in mind

873
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: they still have Vincent Brown, young guy you know you

874
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: worry about that. Is this gonna be one of those

875
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: deals where they're using all four receivers equally. That would

876
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: be my only concern. I'm cautiously optimistic about meets him,

877
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: and that's the best way I can put in all. Right. Now,

878
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: two guys who were late day wonders. You have Laurent Robinson,

879
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: who was very good last year when he came maybe

880
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: one of the best free agent pickups of the year

881
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys. Now he goes to the Jacksonville

882
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: Jaguars where he could be catching passes from Chad Henny,

883
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: could be Blaine Gabbard, could be Mark Brunell. Then you

884
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: also have Pierre Garson, who put up some kind of numbers,

885
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: okay numbers when Peyton manningson on the football had a

886
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: couple of big games last year, he's with the Redskins.

887
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna be starting over with Robert Griffin. So if

888
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: you're looking between Pierre Garson and Lauren Robinson for this year,

889
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: Lauren Robinsons got a better pedigree. Maybe Pierregosona is catching

890
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: passes from a better quarterback. Which guy do you draft?

891
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: Robinson doesn't have a better pedigree than Garsona. I don't need.

892
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: I don't like either one of them. He was better

893
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: last year than Garson was. But Tony Romo, no, it

894
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: was loud, Okay, That's why I say he had four touchdowns.

895
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: He had four touchdowns in his career before he went

896
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: to Dallas. He was a complete result of the Cowboys

897
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: offense and Tony Romo. He is going to be an

898
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: absolute disaster in Jacksonville. I would like him a little

899
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: bit more if Chad Henny was the quarterback, because I

900
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: don't have any faith in Blaine Gabbard at all, and

901
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: none at all. He was horrible last season. Again, Garson,

902
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: he's a two on a team with like four two's

903
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: and that that we don't even know Santana mass is

904
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: even sticking on that team. So I like Garson better.

905
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: RG three factor. He'll be the quarterback Lron Robinson. Listen,

906
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: my man, it was fun while lasted in Dallas, but

907
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even draft you. In the ironic thing here

908
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: with Washington is could Santana Moss still end up being

909
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: the best option coming at has He's a veteran, he

910
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing if he's still on the team.

911
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: And look what happened last year with Steve smayraw on

912
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: Steve Steve Smith was, you know, going the way of

913
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: the Dodo Bird. He had a huge year. I'm not

914
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: saying that that Santana Moss is gonna have a huge year,

915
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: but he's already been playing in Washington. Shanahan knows him.

916
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: He's the most veteran guy there. Josh Morgan could end

917
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: up being better than peterre Garson. So I have a

918
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: hard time trusting any of those guys. On the other hand,

919
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: so in other words, you're not gonna trust anybody in

920
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: Washington again, outside of maybe Fred Davis and r G three. Yeah. Well,

921
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the waiver wire. That's what I'm doing.

922
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, the first week, I'm gonna see who gets

923
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: the touches. Jason, you love to talk about touches. You

924
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: see who's getting the looks in that offense, and then

925
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: you pick up the appropriate receiver. On the subject of

926
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Lauren Robinson, you know, it's it's a little easier to

927
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: put up big numbers when you're playing on a flat

928
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, a fast track there at Jerry World, no

929
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: double coverage, with no double coverage, Tony Romo throwing you

930
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: the football, Jason Witten attracting the safety over the top,

931
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: and even when Austin was hurt, guess who was on

932
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: the end side, des Bryant. Who are teams more worried

933
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: about Larron Robinson or Dez Bryant? Who is the number

934
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: two wide receiver in Jacksonville right now? Anybody? Anybody? Jason Hill,

935
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: anybody chast in the West chast and West HBO late

936
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: at night with Chaston West in it. I know he

937
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: was in it. I looked at the credits. Okay, never

938
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: now right now? Tight end. It hasn't been a great

939
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: free agent period for tight ends as far as fantasy goes.

940
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: But we do have Jay and Jersey on the line

941
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: that has a tight end question. Go ahead, Jay, hey, guys,

942
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: how are you today? I want to what do you

943
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: think about Giants tight ends Bennett. Um is he going

944
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: to be a sleeper pig or is he going to

945
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: be a good soldier fantasy option? I mean his side

946
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: is intriguing, could be a rest and now he has

947
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: Eli Manning throwing him the ball in that offense. So,

948
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: uh so, what's your I think? I think you read

949
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: my mind. Listen, as a Cowboys fan, you know Elliott

950
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: is in the same boat we've watched Martello Spennett. We

951
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: like him athletically again a guy with a two cent head.

952
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: But listen, the Giants are gonna throw the ball, There's

953
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I think Victor Cruz is gonna

954
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: be good, not great like he was last season. You've

955
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: got Mario Manningham gone. You've got a bunch of sort

956
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: of average ride receivers battling for that third spot on

957
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: the depth chart, right, so Bennett could come in and

958
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Eli likes to throw the ball to his tight end.

959
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: You talk about Jeremy Shocky. Even Jake Ballard had some

960
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: value last year if you remember he was getting some

961
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: red zone targets. I think Mark Tellis Bennett is gonna

962
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: be worth a late run flyer in a deeper league

963
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: and He's not gonna be a number one fantasy tight end.

964
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. But he's somebody that maybe

965
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: you can plug in if the matchup is good. I

966
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: think he is going to be in the best position

967
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: that he's ever been in at the pro level to

968
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: put up decent fantasy numbers. You know what the problem

969
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: with you is? What see, when you go first like that,

970
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: you take away every good point that I could possibly

971
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: and then and then I have to have to regurgitate.

972
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go totally differently. At one point, are

973
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: you supposed to have more than one point? You're supposed

974
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: to be He's tugging you. He's saying, you only had one.

975
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: Actually you are. Come on, you are the the absolute

976
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: you know you're you're you're the expert here all about

977
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: all things NFL. Well, let me tell you this. You

978
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: break it down, Martellis Bennett. He always reminds me of

979
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: that girl that you're telling your friends about. It's always

980
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: got to go back to It's it's always with a

981
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: guy in Indianapolis like I did that, women throwing themselves

982
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: at his feet. Crazy. All right, all right, forget that,

983
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop that analogy, because even if I make

984
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: a great analogy, you guys are gonna kill me. Martellis

985
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: ben It it's how long have you heard this? Fabs?

986
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Oh he has great size, he has great athletic ability.

987
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: Oh he can make plays. The bottom line is he

988
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: never made those plays. You know who was a more

989
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: valuable number two tight end in Dallas than him, Anthony Fasano,

990
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: who now plays in Miami, who didn't have those things.

991
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: So what do I think his value is going to

992
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: be in New York? Negligible? I mean, if you there,

993
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: you disagreed with me there, so that's you made your point.

994
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: It was totally different than mine. You don't even like

995
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: him well, but part of that was because I just

996
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: wanted to take the other side. Now, I really, I

997
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: would honestly hesitate drafting martell Has Benett. I really would,

998
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: because the guy has never been reliable a player. He

999
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: can have all the ability in the world, but he

1000
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: has to be where the quarterback is expecting him to be.

1001
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: Brandon Lloyd will be where Tom Brady expects him to

1002
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: be on a given play. Martellis Bennett won't always be there,

1003
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be a problem. Eli Manning has got

1004
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: plenty of other options too. You know, we we talk

1005
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot. Just to get a little bit more about

1006
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: tight ends here before we wrap up, is that running

1007
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: back position has been devalued. Right. Wide receivers are harder

1008
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: to to figure out because you have two guys on

1009
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: each team that are catching a lot of passes. You

1010
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: take a look at the tight end position and it's

1011
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: like you have two or three guys up at the

1012
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: top who are like, well, these are all and then

1013
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: it's like you fall off a cliff and it's who knows.

1014
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: Maybe fred Davis is good, but maybe he gets suspended.

1015
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Maybe Dustin Keller is good, maybe

1016
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: get suspended. I have no idea. Throwing the fact that

1017
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: there's no way Gronkowski has the same or next year

1018
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: he as this year with defense is being able to

1019
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: get used to him. And you can't have a career

1020
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: year two years in a row and something that tight

1021
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: end position. If you're in the league that you have

1022
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: to have a tight end. If you don't get one

1023
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: of if you don't get one of the top two three,

1024
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: you don't get Jimmy Graham, you don't get Aaron Hernandez,

1025
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: You don't get Rob Gronkowski throw a dart at the wall.

1026
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: Where where would Gronkowski come off the board in your

1027
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: fantasy draft, Jason and Elliott, Oh, he'll come off the

1028
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: board and in a couple of my league's no later

1029
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: than the third round, second round, pick a round pick.

1030
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Can I just throw one guy out there? Though? The

1031
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: things has been really forgotten about very quickly. We talked

1032
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: so much about Jamal Charles. We've you know, Dwayne bow

1033
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: got franchise. That was big news. Let's not forget that

1034
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: Tony Mowyaki was slated to catch at least eighty balls. Now,

1035
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: Todd Haley may not be there anymore, but they were

1036
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: huge on I don't like Kevin Boss does not scare me.

1037
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: He does not scare me. I'm just saying that if

1038
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: Tony Mowayaki is sitting there in the late rounds, pick

1039
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: him up, pick him up. I think he's a forgotten

1040
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: about player. He's in the Martellis Bennett tier, right, take

1041
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: him over Martellis Finish. No, no, no, he's in that tear.

1042
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: Though he's in that tear, I'm not saying I wouldn't

1043
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: do the same thing. He's in that sort of tear.

1044
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: All right, This is a special edition Free Agency wise

1045
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,480
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1046
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,080
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1047
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,919
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00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,080
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1049
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,480
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1050
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: the good look in one of the bunch. Jason Smith.

1051
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time. Have a great fantasy.

1052
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: Here are you looking at Smith? I look at me.

1053
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: I look into the mirror of my soul. I feel

1054
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: like a wrestler.