Speaker 1: Welcome to this League podcast. I'm your host, Trista Creek.
Speaker 1: I am here with.
Speaker 2: The esteemed Andy Lou Sam s Ndari.
Speaker 1: We are talking about one thing and one thing only,
Speaker 1: and it is the demise of the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: There's been very overt.
Speaker 1: Conversations and directives from the three stars in Klay Thompson,
Speaker 1: Steph Curry and Draymond Green.
Speaker 2: To win right the fuck now, to win right now,
Speaker 2: move your pieces, we don't want any more young boys.
Speaker 2: Get rid of these young boys that we can't play with.
Speaker 1: And then Draft night comes and we see Mody Moses
Speaker 1: and and oh Boy and Jonathan Kaminga. So, to me,
Speaker 1: my perspective is that the whole wind now thing is
Speaker 1: out the window and that it's time to send and
Speaker 1: sound the alarm bells. Because I I'm a pessimistic cynic.
Speaker 1: So I wanted you two to come on for a
Speaker 1: very special episode where we just talk about this and
Speaker 1: you guys give me the real perspective on what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on in the bay. Whoever wants to
Speaker 1: start can get into it, because it feels like to
Speaker 1: me that since Jerry West left, things have been really
Speaker 1: going off the rails fast and exposing a lot of
Speaker 1: incompetence from ownership all the way down.
Speaker 2: Help me help me here.
Speaker 4: Well, So I feel like the Lake of Interview was
Speaker 4: finally pulling the curtain back at what people have been
Speaker 4: seeing for like the last decade, which is it's not
Speaker 4: just Jerry West, it's Travis Schlank, yep, Atlanta GM. A
Speaker 4: lot of people have left the Warriors, and the owner
Speaker 4: has taken a more active role in basketball ops.
Speaker 2: Couent evaluation as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just full Al Davis, full Jerry Jones action going
Speaker 4: on here where it's and in the past, the Warriors
Speaker 4: would do the thing where it's like, well we have
Speaker 4: Jerry West, we have Bob Myers, we have Travis Schlank,
Speaker 4: and we work together as a group and I'm just
Speaker 4: there to kind of help them to Now it's I
Speaker 4: have my own big board and this is who we're scouting.
Speaker 4: So it's like I appreciated that interview just because it
Speaker 4: was like, we're no longer like pretending the facade of
Speaker 4: this thing where he's not involved in basketball ops is happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Joe lacub one on one with the athletic
Speaker 1: to me was like Okay, everything that we thought was
Speaker 1: happening with them in terms of where they were heading
Speaker 1: and what their mindset was, which is like, we're going
Speaker 1: to try to win sort of now, but we're really
Speaker 1: planning for the future because we don't think we really
Speaker 1: can win now, which is actually impossible to accomplish, is
Speaker 1: to plan for the future and win now. I think
Speaker 1: that there's never been a team that's been able to
Speaker 1: do that. And if you can think of one NBA community,
Speaker 1: please let me know. It does feel to me like Andy,
Speaker 1: it's just kinda they're not even gonna be close to contending.
Speaker 5: I can't imagine if you're Steph Curry and you're Draymond
Speaker 5: Green listening to that, that you walked away with a
Speaker 5: smile on your face and say.
Speaker 6: Yes, I can't wait.
Speaker 5: I cannot wait to be the kindergarten teacher to these
Speaker 5: nineteen year olds, which I think if you ask Sam
Speaker 5: and I as Warriors fans, we are excited about the
Speaker 5: three guys that they've drafted the last two years, wise Men, Moody,
Speaker 5: and Kamingo, we think are gonna be fantastic basketball players
Speaker 5: in five years. Like that's that's kind of the thing.
Speaker 5: If you ask us, we're happy about it, but you
Speaker 5: know you you want those three guys to be Steph,
Speaker 5: Draymond and Clay. That's what you want in the best
Speaker 5: case scenario. You want those three guys to be who
Speaker 5: the three guys the Warriors have today. So the question becomes, why,
Speaker 5: why does Joe lacob feel like he has to do
Speaker 5: that now versus kind of punting to the future.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think part of it is that he feels like
Speaker 5: he brought the three championships to the Warriors. He feels
Speaker 5: like he has a big hand in that, more so
Speaker 5: than Steph Curry, more so than some of the players.
Speaker 5: I think that gets his ego or anybody's ego, to
Speaker 5: a level where he feels like he starts to have
Speaker 5: these grand illusions about where he wants the franchise to
Speaker 5: be at. Here's the thing, Joe lacup, as far as
Speaker 5: I'm concerned, and I tell this to Sam as a joke,
Speaker 5: but it's not really that jokish anymore. He knows as
Speaker 5: much basketball as US three right here, because he's never played,
Speaker 5: he's never coached, he's never been in really any situation
Speaker 5: where he's had to do this in his life, and
Speaker 5: now we're sitting here and he's telling us that he
Speaker 5: thinks Johnathan Kaminga should be the pick at seven.
Speaker 6: Honestly could be right. I think it probably is.
Speaker 5: But what does that tell you that he's a guy
Speaker 5: that's making that decision?
Speaker 6: Probably not great?
Speaker 1: The funny, the funniest thing to me is that, and
Speaker 1: I would love to get your perspective on this is like,
Speaker 1: how delusional are you when you say? No one at all?
Speaker 1: No one knew what Sam Presty was going to do
Speaker 1: at six, Like everybody.
Speaker 2: Was wondering what he was going to be up to.
Speaker 1: But I, personally, me, Joe lacub I just had a
Speaker 1: feeling that they were gonna go get Josh.
Speaker 4: Giddy, didn't it doesn't it sound like a Trump press
Speaker 4: conference the whole interview.
Speaker 6: Nobody knew except for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love when he when he said this too.
Speaker 1: We all we the Warriors and how we develop guys
Speaker 1: and how we look at guys as like we love
Speaker 1: wingspans as you know. I was like, am I reading
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Talk about basketball right now?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 4: So I'll provide one counter perspective, And I don't even
Speaker 4: know if I buy my counter perspective, But what if
Speaker 4: this is all for show because everyone thinks the Warriors
Speaker 4: are desperate to make a trade and they're in kind
Speaker 4: of that situation the Celtics were in, were like everyone
Speaker 4: knew they wanted to make a trade and everyone was
Speaker 4: trying to rip them off. And then, as we know,
Speaker 4: Danny Ainge never made a trade, and you know that
Speaker 4: kind of went sideways.
Speaker 6: What if this is Joe Lacob trying to play possible, yeah, control.
Speaker 4: The narrative, act like a crazy person to the point
Speaker 4: where we're all sitting here.
Speaker 6: Going like, I think he's serious.
Speaker 4: I think he's okay with Steph leaving as long as
Speaker 4: he gets to develop his guys so that maybe they
Speaker 4: don't have to trade four bazillion picks to get ex
Speaker 4: player who might help them.
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like Jerry Reinsdorf is Joe lacub
Speaker 1: and Bob Myers is Jerry Krause, and this is now
Speaker 1: the end of the Chicago Bulls era. They want to
Speaker 1: run it back, but these guys don't want to run
Speaker 1: it back, and they're basically saying, leave if you want,
Speaker 1: because we're starting a new era.
Speaker 2: And it starts right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's a part of it now.
Speaker 5: I think the difference is that if there is a
Speaker 5: trade on the table in terms of a superstar, the
Speaker 5: Warriors is gonna do it. If you tell him that
Speaker 5: Bradley Beal is on the table, they'll do it or ye, honest.
Speaker 5: The problem is that you can't just those guys don't
Speaker 5: want to go anywhere.
Speaker 6: Like Bradley Beal apparently loves losing, so he's.
Speaker 5: Just gonna say Washington right like he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 6: Now, the question becomes.
Speaker 5: Then are you willing to trade those picks or Andrew
Speaker 5: Wiggins for kind of other role players?
Speaker 6: And I don't think the Warriors are trying to do that.
Speaker 5: So when you're a contending team, sometimes you have to
Speaker 5: take those risks and say, we're going to trade the
Speaker 5: number fourteen pick for a vet. A vet that's maybe
Speaker 5: not that great, that's not going to be not an.
Speaker 4: All Star, but it's like notatively going to help you
Speaker 4: win basketball game.
Speaker 2: So what about Pascal Siakam.
Speaker 1: All I heard was that Pascal Siakam wanted to go
Speaker 1: to the Bay And if you're trading those picks for
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam, and you send Andrew Wiggins back north of
Speaker 1: the border, Like, why doesn't that help you get closer
Speaker 1: to a championship?
Speaker 6: See, I mean I think that I agree, Right, I
Speaker 6: think I agree.
Speaker 5: I think to them, in that scenario, they do Wiggins
Speaker 5: and like a pick.
Speaker 6: But here's the thing, they wouldn't do it for Wiseman.
Speaker 2: Wha his meniscus is.
Speaker 6: We love Wingspan in the Bay Trista. Yeah, it's all.
Speaker 1: About he's treating these guys like their fucking horses. And
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not how basketball works. Is not just measurables.
Speaker 1: Everybody has measurables. Like Andrew Wiseman to me, does not
Speaker 1: have the mindset right now of an.
Speaker 2: Elite dog that's going to be a star in this league.
Speaker 2: Why is he so attached to Andrew Wiggins? I mean,
Speaker 2: James Wiseman.
Speaker 4: Well, you can say for both, to be honest, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that kind of works for both.
Speaker 6: Actually, I mean.
Speaker 4: I personally agree with you, Like I understand the excitement
Speaker 4: over a high lottery pick, and like we all know,
Speaker 4: on Draft night, everyone's comp is like ex Hall of
Speaker 4: Famer or y hall of Famer, right, Like everyone's going
Speaker 4: to be the next David Robinson or hikeem or whatever.
Speaker 4: And then you watch them play and you realize that's
Speaker 4: there's a reason those guys are Hall of Famers and
Speaker 4: not everyone is. I don't know, that's like to me,
Speaker 4: that's the question. They seem so much higher on their
Speaker 4: assets than anyone else.
Speaker 6: It feels I keep going back to.
Speaker 4: It feels like the Celtics where it was like everyone
Speaker 4: heard about how they, you know, had all these picks
Speaker 4: to make all these trades and they were going to
Speaker 4: be a super team as soon as Daidy Age did it,
Speaker 4: and like five years passes and they don't do anything
Speaker 4: because they're super obsessed with their.
Speaker 6: Own picks and everything the whole way down the line.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that kind of comes back to and we're
Speaker 5: not spending this time talking about Alan Smiley Gaach.
Speaker 6: Nobody knows who Alan Smiley Gaach is outside the Bay Area.
Speaker 5: But the Warrior spent three years a time, commitment and
Speaker 5: resources to try to develop a guy that really it
Speaker 5: took you thirty seconds to watch them and realize he
Speaker 5: wasn't going to have a plan in the NBA.
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying that's James Wiseman.
Speaker 5: But I think the over evaluation of the of the
Speaker 5: players that you have comes back to Joe lacub won
Speaker 5: at Wiseman, you know, the Lakeups, wont It Smiley, And
Speaker 5: when it comes down to those guys making decisions, they're
Speaker 5: not just gonna say, hell, oh man, it's got some cost,
Speaker 5: let's move it, or in the Wiseman case, like I
Speaker 5: would do Wigan Wiseman in a pick for Pascal Yakam.
Speaker 6: I don't think that the.
Speaker 5: Warriors are ever gonna do that or even come close
Speaker 5: to doing that, because they value their guys a lot
Speaker 5: higher than really, I think most players, most teams in
Speaker 5: the NBA.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what to say about that. That's
Speaker 2: very concerning to me.
Speaker 1: How can I mean, what is gonna happen with Steph
Speaker 1: Because at this point he's he's a very smart human being,
Speaker 1: Like I know, he's kind of caught between.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be all about me.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the Steph Show and the Splash Brothers
Speaker 1: are back and YadA, YadA YadA, and that's great for
Speaker 1: the brand. But like if he actually wants to win
Speaker 1: another title, like he's gotta know that's not going to
Speaker 1: happen ever again on this on this franchise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the curious thing is we've heard
Speaker 4: nothing from him. You notice none of the Warrior Core
Speaker 4: players congratulated like Kuminga or no, Like, I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't know how much you should read into that other
Speaker 4: than like Steph says to always tends to always like
Speaker 4: tweet or you know, you know guy right, that type
Speaker 4: of thing.
Speaker 6: It feels like there's a little bit of a holding pattern.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 4: Uh, I would assume that those Joe lacub quotes were
Speaker 4: at best, at best gotten eye roll out of like
Speaker 4: Steph and Draymond, and at worst got like actual anger.
Speaker 4: And I don't, I don't know that they're definitely sitting
Speaker 4: back and waiting. But if you think, like Steph, Draymond
Speaker 4: and Clay are going to be cool with like them
Speaker 4: rolling out last year's roster but with like different kids,
Speaker 4: just the same concept, I think, and then hey, hey
Speaker 4: shout out Nick Patum though that's a good player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it gets you, like, are they
Speaker 1: in a group chat like did you see this motherfucker lakeup?
Speaker 2: Like did you see this ugg quotes?
Speaker 6: I mean it is Draymond does Draymond does.
Speaker 5: Subtweet or I guess subpost on on ig story about
Speaker 5: some of the quotes that Lakeup has had in the past.
Speaker 6: So I can see that happening now.
Speaker 5: I also think part of that kind of conspiracy wise
Speaker 5: to Sam's point that Steph hasn't said anything, is that
Speaker 5: maybe they're talking trade right now with those guys that
Speaker 5: they drafted. Maybe they couldn't get something done on Draft night.
Speaker 5: Maybe they drafted Kaminga at seven, because that's kind of
Speaker 5: the guy with the highest subside at seven. If you're
Speaker 5: a team like I don't know if if you're any
Speaker 5: team right that that that says.
Speaker 6: We're gonna trade guys.
Speaker 5: But you're looking at a guy who, you know, maybe
Speaker 5: you're rebuilding and you need a lot of talent. Wouldn't
Speaker 5: Cominga be the guy that you want to trade for
Speaker 5: at seven. It wouldn't be Franz Wagner. I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think. So maybe Steph is sitting there and saying, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say, you know, I'm not gonna congratulate
Speaker 5: these guys for beyond team. They might not be on
Speaker 5: the team in two weeks. Maybe the Warriors can still
Speaker 5: trade those guys. That's rare scenario. But maybe those guys
Speaker 5: are still going and getting out of there. So I
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't know, but it's definitely not a
Speaker 5: good sign.
Speaker 1: Tell me this, is there a scenario we see a
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard type like discontent, not sure what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: We see he's got four years left on his deal
Speaker 1: and he's still not quote unquote committed to my team
Speaker 1: long term. He's waiting for the moves that they make
Speaker 1: and has made it perfectly clear this is not good enough.
Speaker 1: Is there a scenario that Steph, as good of a
Speaker 1: guy that he is, does the same thing.
Speaker 4: He hasn't signed an extension yet. I know this is
Speaker 4: the last year of his contract. He's not one to, like,
Speaker 4: you know, talk publicly on those sort of things. He
Speaker 4: just kind of plays like the good soldier. But it
Speaker 4: is curious we've heard nothing from him like this whole time.
Speaker 4: The only time he spoke was at the golf tournament
Speaker 4: up in Tahoe, and it was it was a classic
Speaker 4: Steph non answer where he was just like, yeah, a
Speaker 4: lot of things, a lot of balls in the air.
Speaker 4: We're obviously going to make moves in free agency, but
Speaker 4: basically insinuating that, you know, they need to add more
Speaker 4: talent to the team.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 5: That is a lot of money that Look, he's probably
Speaker 5: starning the extension, right, I think the I think everybody
Speaker 5: kind of on both sides knows he will, but because
Speaker 5: there's a lot of money he'd have to turn down
Speaker 5: if he doesn't, it's just I don't even know. Sam,
Speaker 5: you probably know what the actual amount is. Fifty million,
Speaker 5: sixty seven. I don't know what it is an incredible amount,
Speaker 5: but the fact that he's not signed it yet is
Speaker 5: actually interesting.
Speaker 6: And who's to say it could be a sign trade.
Speaker 5: I mean a good I mean, but you're saying with
Speaker 5: Lillard is that he signed the contract in a year
Speaker 5: later He's saying, well, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, he's about to start that contract now there's four
Speaker 1: years and it's just beginning, and he's like, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's in which is a fair point
Speaker 5: if I think Lakeup goes down this route.
Speaker 6: But I am with Sam a little bit. Some of
Speaker 6: it is his showmanship with with Joe.
Speaker 4: He is always He's always been a braggadocious say salesman, like, that's.
Speaker 2: Just what venture capitalists do.
Speaker 6: Exactly, It's Correctactly.
Speaker 4: Is there nothing more venture capital than trying to sell
Speaker 4: you on the future when what you're looking at in
Speaker 4: front of you you're like, I don't know about that, guy,
Speaker 4: Like that's the most VC thing of all time.
Speaker 6: You want Series D for what you guys aren't even profitable. Actually,
Speaker 6: so you could still do that, but yes, what remains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole concept of a venture capitalist is like,
Speaker 1: let me sell you on a potential dream that is
Speaker 1: nowhere close to coming to fruition yet and most likely
Speaker 1: will not, so that you can give me more time
Speaker 1: to gather more assets to manifest.
Speaker 2: This into existence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a boat's a boat, but the mystery boss could
Speaker 4: be anything. Sure, we're going here, it.
Speaker 5: Could be another boat. It could be another boat. Like
Speaker 5: you can warriors fans. I mean, you can sell me
Speaker 5: on comingo Wiseman and Moody. That's the thing, Like, you
Speaker 5: can actually sell me on that. But the problem is
Speaker 5: that you've already had a company that ipo' and has
Speaker 5: been extremely profitable and now is leak and oil. Like
Speaker 5: that's the problem is that you still have a top
Speaker 5: twenty basketball player of all time.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, sitting there in his prime.
Speaker 5: I mean one of the greatest seasons ever for him,
Speaker 5: and you can't sell me on a future one's just
Speaker 5: about the money.
Speaker 2: Is it just about the money?
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's just about the money.
Speaker 4: I think it's the fear factor that Like, Okay, so
Speaker 4: the dream scenario is there competitive while the young guys
Speaker 4: develop and they never have to have the we're gonna
Speaker 4: be garbage and win twenty games four years in a
Speaker 4: row scenario, right, Like I do understand the allure of that.
Speaker 4: It's like, even if they're not contending for titles, Chase
Speaker 4: Enter sold out every night because they want to watch
Speaker 4: Steph Curry. And then theoretically at some point Kuminga and
Speaker 4: Wiseman are stars who are lifting you too, right, just
Speaker 4: the reality of it, which is like, why would Steph
Speaker 4: Curry sign up for like spending his last years of
Speaker 4: his prime just like carrying a team to an eight
Speaker 4: seed while they spend all their resources developing nineteen.
Speaker 6: Year old right right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, Joe Lacob said this, I think that
Speaker 1: we can contend. If we can't, you should look at
Speaker 1: Joe Lacub speaking in the third person, and Bob Myers
Speaker 1: and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson Andremond Green and Andrew
Speaker 1: Wiggins and say you weren't good enough shout out not
Speaker 1: throwing Steve Kurr under the bus in that accountability circle.
Speaker 2: But that's okay, we're paying all that money you need
Speaker 2: to be good enough.
Speaker 1: Does Joe Lacub think that there's a one to one
Speaker 1: correlation between how much you pay someone in the production
Speaker 1: that they're going to give you.
Speaker 6: I mean, he is a VC guy, I guess, so.
Speaker 6: I mean, here's here's one thing. I will say.
Speaker 4: They do have the highest payroll in the NBA. The
Speaker 4: question should be why do they have the highest payroll
Speaker 4: in the NBA with this roster?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: Like, what are you what do we get for this
Speaker 4: this highest payroll?
Speaker 6: Right? You know, what are we getting with Andrew Wiggins here?
Speaker 6: What you know?
Speaker 5: It's not a correlation to what's on the court. So
Speaker 5: to me and Wigans, yeah, that was funny insertion.
Speaker 2: Touch that funny thing.
Speaker 1: To me, it all started when they wanted to get
Speaker 1: something back for losing Kevin Durant. They didn't want to
Speaker 1: get nothing back, so they took d LO on a
Speaker 1: long deal and then it all just kind of spiraled
Speaker 1: from there. Now you have to try his bad contract
Speaker 1: for another bad contracts, So you're just playing like like
Speaker 1: whack a mole with terrible contracts. Is like do everything
Speaker 1: that you can to get rid of them. Bob Meyer said, this,
Speaker 1: things are happening. This is pre draft, which we probably
Speaker 1: should have been concerned about.
Speaker 2: Right then. Things are happening really fast. Right now.
Speaker 1: You used to have a three to four year window
Speaker 1: we had that. That's not the case anymore. And now
Speaker 1: we have to think about the future.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: I didn't even actually know those culture out there. Oh Sam,
Speaker 5: we now we got to use those because that is wow.
Speaker 6: That is now.
Speaker 4: It's all about tempering expectations to be I mean this
Speaker 4: feel they are experts at that.
Speaker 6: Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 4: This to me, it's like you either take them at
Speaker 4: their face value or you think they're playing some sort
Speaker 4: of like forty chess.
Speaker 6: Yeah, or they're just trying.
Speaker 4: They're just trying to make everyone believe that that's what
Speaker 4: they want to do.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know where I land on it.
Speaker 6: I go back and forth.
Speaker 1: It really very much. I feel like you guys are
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if diluted is the
Speaker 1: right word. You're just like so far into the bay.
Speaker 1: You want to believe that something's happening, but I don't
Speaker 1: think anything's happening.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 1: I think this entire next season is going to be
Speaker 1: us just railing on the Warriors and how they're like,
Speaker 1: if they are five hundred at the trade deadline, what happens?
Speaker 5: Wow, I was I was just going to say, I
Speaker 5: will if I were a person that believes in the
Speaker 5: front office, I would say wait until the trade deadline
Speaker 5: for something to happen, because you're right, if they are
Speaker 5: five hundred, Let's look at last season, right, they didn't
Speaker 5: you who's the the disabled player exception which they had
Speaker 5: for I believe nine million. They never use that. They
Speaker 5: never picked up anybody else. They ran with a head
Speaker 5: and any for twenty for ridiculous. They could have picked
Speaker 5: up anyone, Austin Rivers, Dwayne Deadman and anybody. Me saying
Speaker 5: you just to anybody they could have picked up. They
Speaker 5: never did it. They just went. They just went with
Speaker 5: eight guys, and that showed you that they were saying, yeah,
Speaker 5: we kind of don't care. About this season. Yeah, we
Speaker 5: could make the playoffs, but end of the day, we're
Speaker 5: not gonna win the championship.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna punt. Now.
Speaker 5: If they do that this season and you see that
Speaker 5: again at the trade deadline, one, I would be actually shocked, right.
Speaker 6: Two, if I were Steph, I would I mean, like,
Speaker 6: I think, very very hard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if they told you again that, yeah, we're kind
Speaker 5: of a second round team right now, we're not really
Speaker 5: gonna try to get better with kind of the pieces
Speaker 5: that we have, I would be, uh, Yeah, you don't
Speaker 5: just punt because you're you think you're not gonna win
Speaker 5: a championship. Like we saw Phoenix Suns in the in
Speaker 5: the in the NBA Finals, the Feeding Suns were not
Speaker 5: a top three team all season. What about maybe not
Speaker 5: even a top fourteen?
Speaker 6: Got the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks like going and getting DJ Tucker going and getting.
Speaker 5: I mean they traded three first for Drew Holiday also
Speaker 5: though like that, like and then they had injuries too,
Speaker 5: But the point is or to even get there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they probably would have lost to Brooklyn
Speaker 4: if Kyrie doesn't get injured in the middle of that series.
Speaker 6: Based on how it was going at that, but you
Speaker 6: never know what's going to happen, what happened.
Speaker 4: All you can do is like put yourself in that situation.
Speaker 4: Warriors have lucked out from it and kind of had
Speaker 4: bad luck with it. Like in sixteen, we're gonna start
Speaker 4: getting hurt in the playoffs, Like all you can do
Speaker 4: is put yourself in a pinission and kind of yeah,
Speaker 4: exactly when nineteen's a little more tragic. Yeah, all you
Speaker 4: can do is put yourself in that situation. It's kind
Speaker 4: of weird that their management's like, ef, we're like a
Speaker 4: five seed, what's the point, Eh, we're like a seventh seed.
Speaker 6: What's the point?
Speaker 4: You know, if we're not going to have the greatest
Speaker 4: team on Earth, what's the point even trying to go
Speaker 4: for it?
Speaker 5: That's not how That's how sports works. All championships count
Speaker 5: the same. That's that's the crazy part. It's it's like
Speaker 5: treating It's like not training for anyone outside of Bradley
Speaker 5: beal Right. It's like we don't want Joe Ingles, Like
Speaker 5: that's the new rumor. We don't want Joe Ingles. We
Speaker 5: only want to make a trade of it's Bradley beal
Speaker 5: Like that's kind of the stuff where you're a little
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, coay. Isn't that very short Isn't that very short sighted?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 1: Given that, you see how important it is to have depth,
Speaker 1: to have critical role players that fill, you know, roles
Speaker 1: that other your stars don't feel, to have an actual
Speaker 1: cohesive team and not just a squad full of stars.
Speaker 1: I mean, we see Team USA and how fucking garbage
Speaker 1: they look on the international team and they've got fifteen
Speaker 1: or nine all stars on that team, right, So like
Speaker 1: you see the Clippers picking up you know, Mark, Marcus Morris,
Speaker 1: you Nick Batoom and these guys get big minutes and
Speaker 1: actually contribute. Tory Craig contribute, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like listen, I'm in panic mode for
Speaker 1: you guys. I just I don't the level of urgency
Speaker 1: from you, and it's starting to make me concern that
Speaker 1: I'm crazy.
Speaker 4: Don't worry signing Nicholas Batoum back in the finals. Everything's good,
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 5: I do feel like a lot of there are a
Speaker 5: lot of people out there that aren't Warriors fans or
Speaker 5: cover the Warriors that are more stressed out about the Warriors.
Speaker 6: And I think that says a lot.
Speaker 5: That says a lot where there are people outside of
Speaker 5: Warriors saying, the hell's going on over there?
Speaker 2: It feels very dysfunctional.
Speaker 6: What happened?
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Yeah, you talk to like average fans in the
Speaker 4: Bay Area and the vibe of gods.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what he said made sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll do that because they're dealing with so much
Speaker 4: goodwill because of the run. They went on previously that
Speaker 4: it isn't obvious to people who are around the Warriors
Speaker 4: or around the Bay Area that like you might be
Speaker 4: in for a little bit of a rocky ride and
Speaker 4: dysfunction the way it is to like you on the
Speaker 4: other side of the country. Quite frankly, twenty nine other teams.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, it's it's you get get that three title.
Speaker 4: Good will gets you.
Speaker 5: It probably will get the Warriors until Steph retires in
Speaker 5: a couple of lean years. We saw this. I'm a
Speaker 5: I'm a San Francisco Giants fan. Sam isn't, but Sam
Speaker 5: makes his comparison all the time. They'll get with goodwill
Speaker 5: until you're that best player retires, that run is over,
Speaker 5: and then a few years after that and then it'll expire.
Speaker 5: So maybe six, seven, eight years is there'll probably be
Speaker 5: no panic.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 5: FISC fans are also different as different than the softy market.
Speaker 6: It's a little different.
Speaker 1: Than Steph demands a trade and then Draymond's gone, and
Speaker 1: then Clay's gone and you have done everything.
Speaker 6: Well, that is the one wild card.
Speaker 4: If Steph actually takes a public position that's like antagonists,
Speaker 4: if he does what Aaron Rodgers did last week, right,
Speaker 4: I would be curious to see how that was received,
Speaker 4: because as much as the fan base trusts ownership because
Speaker 4: of all the success they've had, when you have like
Speaker 4: probably the greatest player of franchise history, if he ever
Speaker 4: came out and said something like a lot along the
Speaker 4: lines of what Aaron Rodgers said last week, I'm not
Speaker 4: so sure that you know, Joe Lacob wouldn't get booed
Speaker 4: a second time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, panic in the bay. Let's move
Speaker 1: on my boy, Tsunami Poppy. I would be very curious
Speaker 1: to know your opinion on where he goes, what happens
Speaker 1: with him, and your reaction to him saying, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he can't be put into a box and he thinks.
Speaker 2: He's a perfect fit with Greg Popovic.
Speaker 6: And system.
Speaker 4: He is the best quote in the NBA because he
Speaker 4: reminds me of Michael Scott, where like he just start
Speaker 4: sentences and does not know where he's going.
Speaker 6: And it's like half.
Speaker 4: The time he uses words where I'm not sure he
Speaker 4: knows the definition of the word. Like it's just these
Speaker 4: quotes are amazing, and yeah, I do love the list.
Speaker 6: Is like, oh, you.
Speaker 4: Thought Steve Kerr was kind of like a difficult coach
Speaker 4: to play for, So you want to like you want
Speaker 4: to up the annie you want you want like Spoe
Speaker 4: or Pop, like that's going to fix it.
Speaker 2: That was so wild to me. Do you think that
Speaker 2: they do a sign and Trey Warriors.
Speaker 6: Like you try to? I think, yeah, right, I think
Speaker 6: the Warriors will try to.
Speaker 5: But it's kind of also up to Kelly Ubra to
Speaker 5: kind of say I kind of want to help the
Speaker 5: Warriors out, which to you solid, Yeah, if you're if
Speaker 5: you're an Uber and you kind of worked through, Let's
Speaker 5: let's think about what Uber dealt with through the season. Right,
Speaker 5: he he came in through the season, he slumped. I
Speaker 5: think he shot about two percent from three. There was
Speaker 5: asked to play out a position, was asked to play
Speaker 5: out a position then was moved to the bench.
Speaker 4: We've kerr twice like publicly kind of was yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it kind of yeah. I mean, he's not a starter,
Speaker 6: but we'd love to have him back.
Speaker 5: It's like he's a twenty five year old kid that
Speaker 5: has an immense amount of talent, and honestly, Steve's right,
Speaker 5: he's not a start. He's better off the bench, right,
Speaker 5: But if he's a better six man, you want to
Speaker 5: keep the guy.
Speaker 6: You got to at least want to say the right stuff.
Speaker 5: So if you're Kelly Ubray, who I mean, funny guy,
Speaker 5: but uh, if I were him, I would say, give
Speaker 5: me twenty million with san Antonio, move on.
Speaker 4: And you could you could sense it with him all year,
Speaker 4: like the contract your stress. Like you'd see it with
Speaker 4: him when he'd miss a few shots in a row.
Speaker 4: You'd get that vibe like you could just see in
Speaker 4: his mind he's thinking, will I not get the contract
Speaker 4: I want if I can't hit a shot type of thing,
Speaker 4: Like it's kind of stressful. But I do hope he
Speaker 4: goes to San Antonio because I would love to see
Speaker 4: uh Ubra and Pop together.
Speaker 1: That might make Pop retire mid season. That move I
Speaker 1: could see. All right, Becky, it's your turn. You you
Speaker 1: want the challenges here? It is fucking tsunami Poppy.
Speaker 6: Teach him how to pass, please Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so wild. And it's not like the
Speaker 1: Warriors can't lie. They're very good at lying. So I
Speaker 1: don't know why Steve Kerr didn't just lie and say, oh,
Speaker 1: I love Kelly.
Speaker 2: He's great, he's a he's a good starter. We're just
Speaker 2: trying to figure out our rotation right now.
Speaker 6: Steve's not gonna lieing.
Speaker 4: That's the problem, you like, publicly, Hey, we're not chasing wins.
Speaker 6: That one, No I do. Yeah, why would you say that?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 6: Why would that be a public statement you make?
Speaker 2: So Clay, let's talk about him. When's he going to be.
Speaker 6: Back, asked doctor Andy.
Speaker 2: Nobody is. Nobody's saying anything about him.
Speaker 1: I know I got an update when he was I
Speaker 1: think he was jumping or running or something they got
Speaker 1: there was like a breaking news about it.
Speaker 6: Bob Myers.
Speaker 4: Bob Myers did kind of say he doesn't think he'll
Speaker 4: be ready for the start of the season. So that's
Speaker 4: like the only thing we're really going off of. Like
Speaker 4: I wouldn't expect him in uniform on opening night.
Speaker 5: No, and that's not I don't think that's a setback,
Speaker 5: and I don't think that's a bad thing. It's just
Speaker 5: it's a long recovery process from two ligament injuries. And
Speaker 5: I think even when he comes back, he's playing probably
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes a game until February, and he'll probably be
Speaker 5: at about, you would hope, eighty percent or so by
Speaker 5: the time the playoffs come around. But even then, he's
Speaker 5: not playing thirty six minutes a game like he usually
Speaker 5: does in the postseason, right, Which is why when you
Speaker 5: look at the quotes from Joe Lakeup and Bob Myers
Speaker 5: and Steve Courr that say, you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: this hinges on Klay Thompson. It's not fair to Klay Thompson.
Speaker 5: You think he wanted to rupture his achilles and tear
Speaker 5: his acl like, it's not fair to say that this guy,
Speaker 5: you know, hinge if this guy's healthy, like, he's not
Speaker 5: gonna be healthy, he's not going to be one.
Speaker 6: Hundred percent, Like it's gonna take him another year to
Speaker 6: get there.
Speaker 5: So I think that's where the quotes it just doesn't
Speaker 5: make sense to Warriors fans, or at least to Sam
Speaker 5: and I, because it's you can't expect Clay Thompson to
Speaker 5: be twenty nineteen Klay Thompson, which was an awesome best
Speaker 5: player that he's ever been in his career.
Speaker 6: You can't guy's gone.
Speaker 2: And doesn't that pressure sort of put.
Speaker 1: How would I put this him in an uncomfortable vulnerable
Speaker 1: spot from a physical standpoint where he could possibly get
Speaker 1: injured by being put into spots or being rushed back or.
Speaker 4: I mean that's basically what happened was his achilles right,
Speaker 4: Like he injured it playing pickup and it wasn't team
Speaker 4: sanction pick up.
Speaker 6: I'll put it that way.
Speaker 4: So I mean, that's that's also clear. That's how he
Speaker 4: tore his acl He's he's the kind of guy who's like,
Speaker 4: it's not hurt that bad, I'll keep playing hard like
Speaker 4: It's why he's as good a player as he is
Speaker 4: and why fans adore him, Like he plays through everything.
Speaker 4: So I think they're trying to figure out how they
Speaker 4: can like effectively get him to you know, both play
Speaker 4: while not ignoring the way his body feels and doing
Speaker 4: like normal maintenance stuff so he doesn't reaggravate anything.
Speaker 1: Prediction time eighty two games next season? How many Warriors wins?
Speaker 4: You got to ask me after free agency? This is unfair,
Speaker 4: Like right now I'm looking at right now, I'm looking.
Speaker 2: At like Nicko bait, you get Nick Batum.
Speaker 6: That was eighty eighty and two. Now I'm going forty eight.
Speaker 5: I think they went forty eight if I because I
Speaker 5: do think Nikmatum actually signs with the Warriors. I do
Speaker 5: think Andre Goodola does come back, and I do think
Speaker 5: there is a move that they do end up making
Speaker 5: for a veteran. Look, I'm I'm I'm beating the I
Speaker 5: siven Joe, series D, series Z. Whatever he wants, whatever
Speaker 5: he wants, I'm giving it to him. I think they
Speaker 5: would forty.
Speaker 2: Eight six first round exit.
Speaker 4: I think, and eighties really just like you know, just
Speaker 4: completely fillaying him and then at the end of it,
Speaker 4: like all right, here's here's the check.
Speaker 6: Here's what Joe giving me two thousand dollars this morning.
Speaker 6: Here's here's what I'm going with.
Speaker 5: No, I think that they end up being a kind
Speaker 5: of because if you look at the Western Conference, who's
Speaker 5: in front.
Speaker 6: Of the Warriors, Oh my god, I mean like six
Speaker 6: seven team space, No but but they're a mess.
Speaker 5: Like I'm assuming kind of like best case scenario for
Speaker 5: the Warriors here, right, I'm assuming Clay comes back and
Speaker 5: he's ready to play twenty minutes at some point here
Speaker 5: at the end of the seasons on the team, they
Speaker 5: get a couple other vet guys. Here we go, Here
Speaker 5: we go, here we go. Here's my final part. Here's
Speaker 5: my final part. Kawhi is out for the season. Jamal
Speaker 5: Murray's out for half the season. He's out for the
Speaker 5: whole year. Yea even worse a whole year. Right, So
Speaker 5: those are two top top team. The Phoenix Suns, I
Speaker 5: think they're kind of a fluke.
Speaker 6: And then you got the Lakers Russell Westbrook, What are
Speaker 6: we doing there? Guys?
Speaker 5: Come on, what are we doing there? They need I
Speaker 5: could be I could be the best mass They're solid. Also,
Speaker 5: not a real post other than Luky.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not a real postseason team either.
Speaker 6: At this moment, three teams in the West. The Blazers
Speaker 6: might be gone. They might be gone from that team. Yeah.
Speaker 4: My short answer before we see the end of free
Speaker 4: agency is they're in that mix where Portland and Dallas
Speaker 4: is where you're not sure if they're contenders or not,
Speaker 4: they're just you know, somewhere between forty two and fifty
Speaker 4: two wins, somewhere in that in that range, which is
Speaker 4: like probably you know better than anyone else. It's infuriating
Speaker 4: to watch one great player drag you to kind of
Speaker 4: not being contender but also not bottoming out.
Speaker 6: Ever, Yeah, that's kind of where they're sitting.
Speaker 1: That's thirty years of being a Portland Trailblazer fans never
Speaker 1: really fully committing to the destruction and a lottery pick. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, good, lastly, before I let you run, tell
Speaker 1: me what it's like to see Kevin Durant publicly destroy
Speaker 1: you on Twitter. Andy, please like, give me through the
Speaker 1: run of the emotions of that.
Speaker 6: I did before I sent the tweet. I did.
Speaker 1: Can I read the tweet really fast? I'm gonna read
Speaker 1: the tweet because people want to know. Someone says, dudes
Speaker 1: from the Bay, it'll be slightly than kd treatment.
Speaker 2: That was in reference to Dame, right, yes, correct, all right?
Speaker 1: So I think people were wanting to know how Dame
Speaker 1: would be treated if he went to the Warriors, and
Speaker 1: Andy quote tweeted that and said, question mark, the treatment
Speaker 1: is not from Warriors fans, Lol, it's from the media.
Speaker 2: KD is a different story. He had it in his head.
Speaker 2: Golden State fans.
Speaker 1: Had it out for him still.
Speaker 2: To this day smh.
Speaker 1: And then KD quickly responded to that tweet and said,
Speaker 1: you made this upfam dot dot dot, like out of
Speaker 1: thin air. And then you responded to that tweet by saying,
Speaker 1: very funny, my bad. Steve Kerr took my phone exclamation mark,
Speaker 1: exclamation mark, run me through the emotions of that.
Speaker 5: I didn't actually want to send the tweet out because
Speaker 5: I knew the response that it would get, not thinking
Speaker 5: it would actually be from Katie. So I sent to
Speaker 5: Sam and say, I don't know, should I send this out.
Speaker 5: Sam didn't respond, probably actually working, so I said, I
Speaker 5: screw it. I'm in a good mood. It's a Friday afternoon,
Speaker 5: so I shoot it out. Katie responds, and I go God.
Speaker 5: I wasn't mad that he responded. I just was annoyed
Speaker 5: that my mentions were going to be in hell for
Speaker 5: twenty four hours. That was my concern. The funny part
Speaker 5: of it is Kati Kad just says stuff off the
Speaker 5: record on the record via DMS on podcasts. He would
Speaker 5: just say stuff and then two days later he will
Speaker 5: just totally contradict himself. And I think that's the best
Speaker 5: part of Kevin Durant these last few years is that
Speaker 5: I think Katy just doesn't care what people think anymore.
Speaker 5: Katy wasn't mad at me. I think Katy just saw
Speaker 5: my tweet and he just said, yeah, I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: say this guy's making stuff up because this tweet just
Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense to me. The crazy part is
Speaker 5: he spends so much time ever since he's not been
Speaker 5: a warrior, whining about how he was treated as a warrior,
Speaker 5: and Steph that it's ironic that he's mad at me
Speaker 5: for that tweet, So.
Speaker 6: I think it's funny.
Speaker 5: I think KD is the best social media person that
Speaker 5: we've got in the NBA, and then he spends three
Speaker 5: hours time on Twitter spaces arguing with people with thirty followers.
Speaker 6: There is no other person like Kevin Durant.
Speaker 5: And my range of emotions is that I was slightly annoyed,
Speaker 5: and then I became very happy knowing that.
Speaker 6: Kevin Durant he's just like us. Three he is just
Speaker 6: like us. He is the best. He's just online.
Speaker 1: If it was me my heart because I go through
Speaker 1: this at work all the time, where you know, you
Speaker 1: get through into controversy and you're like, oh man, what's
Speaker 1: this about to be? And you just feel that tightness
Speaker 1: in your chest. You didn't feel any of that. No.
Speaker 5: I also, I spent a lot of time covering Katie,
Speaker 5: and we were in the locker room together a little bit.
Speaker 6: We weren't friends. You want, like, hey, handy, Wan's say
Speaker 6: want dapping me up?
Speaker 5: Obviously, but he obviously but uh, but I think, uh,
Speaker 5: I used to be a lot more professional back in
Speaker 5: the day, So I think he kind of looked at
Speaker 5: my tweets and wash it's Andy again. No, I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't too I wasn't too concerned because I don't
Speaker 5: think there's any OO that Katie has for for anyone.
Speaker 5: I think what's interesting is I think sometimes you see
Speaker 5: the stuff that Dame says and it feels like, oh,
Speaker 5: he seems like he's taking that kind of personal when
Speaker 5: he's on social media. To me, Katie, I think is trolling.
Speaker 5: He's trolling as much as I'm trolling. That's how it ended.
Speaker 5: He's trolling as much as I'm trolling. And I think
Speaker 5: as a person that trolls. I gotta appreciate that. I
Speaker 5: gotta give it up to him. It makes me happy.
Speaker 6: You got beat at your own game. Beat you got.
Speaker 4: You gotta respect it. It's like respect it. It's like
Speaker 4: how Katie out Super Team Lebron. You just gotta respect it.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta tip your cat, which Lebron has to
Speaker 5: do at some point here.
Speaker 1: But my prediction is thirty thirty eight wins for the Warriors.
Speaker 2: Come on, you'll decide to punt at the deadline. Nothing
Speaker 2: will happen. We will be back though.
Speaker 1: We will definitely have talks again, because I promise you
Speaker 1: right now it is what August second, yep, free agency day,
Speaker 1: and nothing I think of note will happen for the
Speaker 1: Warriors in the near future. So it's gonna be panic
Speaker 1: mode in my opinion, for the rest of the season
Speaker 1: and probably into the next season.
Speaker 2: After that.
Speaker 1: You might be a lottery team again, fuck it, who knows,
Speaker 1: but we will.
Speaker 6: Define super team of nineteen year olds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got just a bunch of guys with wingspans. We
Speaker 1: love them, as you know, so I'm gonna have you
Speaker 1: guys back. We'll be talking about the Warriors all season
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys finding the time early scorely on
Speaker 1: a Monday morning on the West Coast.
Speaker 2: That's all the time that we have for this league.
Speaker 1: Podcast interview with Andy Lou showhy O Tani stand account,
Speaker 1: Sam s F and d R e uh you can
Speaker 1: you can find and they also are the hosts of
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Speaker 1: on Apple podcasts.
Speaker 2: They also have a TikTok account, so.
Speaker 6: They're there this morning.
Speaker 1: They're literally just getting into the young kid game. So
Speaker 1: follow them on that. Thank you guys for joining me.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more on the DMS.
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