WEBVTT - Warriors Check-In with Andy Liu & Sam Esfandiari 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.040 Welcome to this League podcast. I'm your host, Trista Creek. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:04.440 I am here with. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.640 The esteemed Andy Lou Sam s Ndari. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.240 We are talking about one thing and one thing only, 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.480 and it is the demise of the Golden State Warriors. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:14.200 Uh. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:20.480 There's been very overt. 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.200 Conversations and directives from the three stars in Klay Thompson, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.960 Steph Curry and Draymond Green. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.920 To win right the fuck now, to win right now, 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.600 move your pieces, we don't want any more young boys. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.000 Get rid of these young boys that we can't play with. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:41.239 And then Draft night comes and we see Mody Moses 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:49.800 and and oh Boy and Jonathan Kaminga. So, to me, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.320 my perspective is that the whole wind now thing is 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:58.080 out the window and that it's time to send and 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.400 sound the alarm bells. Because I I'm a pessimistic cynic. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.720 So I wanted you two to come on for a 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.080 very special episode where we just talk about this and 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.880 you guys give me the real perspective on what the 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.880 fuck is going on in the bay. Whoever wants to 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.760 start can get into it, because it feels like to 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.959 me that since Jerry West left, things have been really 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:28.160 going off the rails fast and exposing a lot of 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.319 incompetence from ownership all the way down. 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:33.600 Help me help me here. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.479 Well, So I feel like the Lake of Interview was 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.440 finally pulling the curtain back at what people have been 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.000 seeing for like the last decade, which is it's not 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.920 just Jerry West, it's Travis Schlank, yep, Atlanta GM. A 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.360 lot of people have left the Warriors, and the owner 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:57.200 has taken a more active role in basketball ops. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.160 Couent evaluation as well. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.640 Yeah, just full Al Davis, full Jerry Jones action going 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.760 on here where it's and in the past, the Warriors 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.560 would do the thing where it's like, well we have 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.120 Jerry West, we have Bob Myers, we have Travis Schlank, 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.520 and we work together as a group and I'm just 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.040 there to kind of help them to Now it's I 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.880 have my own big board and this is who we're scouting. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.240 So it's like I appreciated that interview just because it 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.320 was like, we're no longer like pretending the facade of 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.280 this thing where he's not involved in basketball ops is happening. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.440 Yeah, that Joe lacub one on one with the athletic 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:39.520 to me was like Okay, everything that we thought was 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.959 happening with them in terms of where they were heading 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.880 and what their mindset was, which is like, we're going 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.280 to try to win sort of now, but we're really 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.160 planning for the future because we don't think we really 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:53.200 can win now, which is actually impossible to accomplish, is 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.119 to plan for the future and win now. I think 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.080 that there's never been a team that's been able to 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.880 do that. And if you can think of one NBA community, 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:06.200 please let me know. It does feel to me like Andy, 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.040 it's just kinda they're not even gonna be close to contending. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.480 I can't imagine if you're Steph Curry and you're Draymond 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.680 Green listening to that, that you walked away with a 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:18.959 smile on your face and say. 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:20.960 Yes, I can't wait. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.200 I cannot wait to be the kindergarten teacher to these 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.560 nineteen year olds, which I think if you ask Sam 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.120 and I as Warriors fans, we are excited about the 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.919 three guys that they've drafted the last two years, wise Men, Moody, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.120 and Kamingo, we think are gonna be fantastic basketball players 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.760 in five years. Like that's that's kind of the thing. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.120 If you ask us, we're happy about it, but you 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:47.880 know you you want those three guys to be Steph, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.200 Draymond and Clay. That's what you want in the best 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.880 case scenario. You want those three guys to be who 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.520 the three guys the Warriors have today. So the question becomes, why, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.200 why does Joe lacob feel like he has to do 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.760 that now versus kind of punting to the future. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.280 I don't know. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.520 I think part of it is that he feels like 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.240 he brought the three championships to the Warriors. He feels 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.520 like he has a big hand in that, more so 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.080 than Steph Curry, more so than some of the players. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.000 I think that gets his ego or anybody's ego, to 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.080 a level where he feels like he starts to have 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:25.160 these grand illusions about where he wants the franchise to 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.720 be at. Here's the thing, Joe lacup, as far as 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.200 I'm concerned, and I tell this to Sam as a joke, 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.800 but it's not really that jokish anymore. He knows as 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.040 much basketball as US three right here, because he's never played, 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.840 he's never coached, he's never been in really any situation 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.599 where he's had to do this in his life, and 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.520 now we're sitting here and he's telling us that he 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.680 thinks Johnathan Kaminga should be the pick at seven. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.920 Honestly could be right. I think it probably is. 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.240 But what does that tell you that he's a guy 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:53.120 that's making that decision? 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:53.840 Probably not great? 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.760 The funny, the funniest thing to me is that, and 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.920 I would love to get your perspective on this is like, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:05.039 how delusional are you when you say? No one at all? 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.560 No one knew what Sam Presty was going to do 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.920 at six, Like everybody. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.320 Was wondering what he was going to be up to. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.360 But I, personally, me, Joe lacub I just had a 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.720 feeling that they were gonna go get Josh. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.320 Giddy, didn't it doesn't it sound like a Trump press 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.160 conference the whole interview. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.479 Nobody knew except for me. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.320 Yeah, we love when he when he said this too. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.520 We all we the Warriors and how we develop guys 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.479 and how we look at guys as like we love 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.600 wingspans as you know. I was like, am I reading 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:36.719 Donald Trump. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:37.920 Talk about basketball right now? 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:38.719 Like? 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.200 What the fuck is going on? 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.200 So I'll provide one counter perspective, And I don't even 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.279 know if I buy my counter perspective, But what if 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:53.800 this is all for show because everyone thinks the Warriors 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.680 are desperate to make a trade and they're in kind 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.240 of that situation the Celtics were in, were like everyone 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.000 knew they wanted to make a trade and everyone was 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.839 trying to rip them off. And then, as we know, 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.919 Danny Ainge never made a trade, and you know that 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.000 kind of went sideways. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:13.000 What if this is Joe Lacob trying to play possible, yeah, control. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.240 The narrative, act like a crazy person to the point 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:16.240 where we're all sitting here. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:17.599 Going like, I think he's serious. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.720 I think he's okay with Steph leaving as long as 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.080 he gets to develop his guys so that maybe they 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.360 don't have to trade four bazillion picks to get ex 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:27.599 player who might help them. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:32.279 To me, it feels like Jerry Reinsdorf is Joe lacub 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:37.800 and Bob Myers is Jerry Krause, and this is now 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.480 the end of the Chicago Bulls era. They want to 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.240 run it back, but these guys don't want to run 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.320 it back, and they're basically saying, leave if you want, 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.400 because we're starting a new era. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.799 And it starts right now. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.000 Yeah, I think there's a part of it now. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.159 I think the difference is that if there is a 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.800 trade on the table in terms of a superstar, the 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.560 Warriors is gonna do it. If you tell him that 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.520 Bradley Beal is on the table, they'll do it or ye, honest. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.800 The problem is that you can't just those guys don't 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:09.680 want to go anywhere. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.240 Like Bradley Beal apparently loves losing, so he's. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.320 Just gonna say Washington right like he's not going anywhere. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.280 Now, the question becomes. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:22.160 Then are you willing to trade those picks or Andrew 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.600 Wiggins for kind of other role players? 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.400 And I don't think the Warriors are trying to do that. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.280 So when you're a contending team, sometimes you have to 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.600 take those risks and say, we're going to trade the 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.920 number fourteen pick for a vet. A vet that's maybe 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:35.640 not that great, that's not going to be not an. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.200 All Star, but it's like notatively going to help you 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:39.120 win basketball game. 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.640 So what about Pascal Siakam. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.320 All I heard was that Pascal Siakam wanted to go 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.560 to the Bay And if you're trading those picks for 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.240 Pascal Siakam, and you send Andrew Wiggins back north of 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.960 the border, Like, why doesn't that help you get closer 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:54.880 to a championship? 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.560 See, I mean I think that I agree, Right, I 0:07:58.600 --> 0:07:59.239 think I agree. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.520 I think to them, in that scenario, they do Wiggins 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:03.360 and like a pick. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.200 But here's the thing, they wouldn't do it for Wiseman. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:13.040 Wha his meniscus is. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.200 We love Wingspan in the Bay Trista. Yeah, it's all. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:20.280 About he's treating these guys like their fucking horses. And 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.120 it's like, that's not how basketball works. Is not just measurables. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.480 Everybody has measurables. Like Andrew Wiseman to me, does not 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.680 have the mindset right now of an. 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.600 Elite dog that's going to be a star in this league. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.640 Why is he so attached to Andrew Wiggins? I mean, 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:39.120 James Wiseman. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.440 Well, you can say for both, to be honest, Yeah, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.120 I was gonna say that kind of works for both. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.080 Actually, I mean. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.920 I personally agree with you, Like I understand the excitement 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.680 over a high lottery pick, and like we all know, 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.640 on Draft night, everyone's comp is like ex Hall of 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.000 Famer or y hall of Famer, right, Like everyone's going 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.440 to be the next David Robinson or hikeem or whatever. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.600 And then you watch them play and you realize that's 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.560 there's a reason those guys are Hall of Famers and 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.360 not everyone is. I don't know, that's like to me, 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:14.440 that's the question. They seem so much higher on their 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.040 assets than anyone else. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.160 It feels I keep going back to. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.959 It feels like the Celtics where it was like everyone 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.280 heard about how they, you know, had all these picks 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:25.839 to make all these trades and they were going to 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.880 be a super team as soon as Daidy Age did it, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.679 and like five years passes and they don't do anything 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.240 because they're super obsessed with their. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.440 Own picks and everything the whole way down the line. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.000 Yeah, yeah, that kind of comes back to and we're 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.360 not spending this time talking about Alan Smiley Gaach. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.120 Nobody knows who Alan Smiley Gaach is outside the Bay Area. 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.360 But the Warrior spent three years a time, commitment and 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.800 resources to try to develop a guy that really it 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.880 took you thirty seconds to watch them and realize he 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.400 wasn't going to have a plan in the NBA. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.240 And I'm not saying that's James Wiseman. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.160 But I think the over evaluation of the of the 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.160 players that you have comes back to Joe lacub won 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.000 at Wiseman, you know, the Lakeups, wont It Smiley, And 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.400 when it comes down to those guys making decisions, they're 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.440 not just gonna say, hell, oh man, it's got some cost, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.840 let's move it, or in the Wiseman case, like I 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.840 would do Wigan Wiseman in a pick for Pascal Yakam. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:14.920 I don't think that the. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.319 Warriors are ever gonna do that or even come close 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.959 to doing that, because they value their guys a lot 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.079 higher than really, I think most players, most teams in 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:23.960 the NBA. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.720 I just don't know what to say about that. That's 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.000 very concerning to me. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.600 How can I mean, what is gonna happen with Steph 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.319 Because at this point he's he's a very smart human being, 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.960 Like I know, he's kind of caught between. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:42.840 This is gonna be all about me. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.320 It's gonna be the Steph Show and the Splash Brothers 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.440 are back and YadA, YadA YadA, and that's great for 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.520 the brand. But like if he actually wants to win 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.360 another title, like he's gotta know that's not going to 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.559 happen ever again on this on this franchise. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.960 Yeah, And I think the curious thing is we've heard 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.280 nothing from him. You notice none of the Warrior Core 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.800 players congratulated like Kuminga or no, Like, I don't. I 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.800 don't know how much you should read into that other 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.840 than like Steph says to always tends to always like 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.560 tweet or you know, you know guy right, that type 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:20.839 of thing. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:23.840 It feels like there's a little bit of a holding pattern. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:24.680 I think. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.320 Uh, I would assume that those Joe lacub quotes were 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.840 at best, at best gotten eye roll out of like 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.040 Steph and Draymond, and at worst got like actual anger. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.839 And I don't, I don't know that they're definitely sitting 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:43.080 back and waiting. But if you think, like Steph, Draymond 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.320 and Clay are going to be cool with like them 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.840 rolling out last year's roster but with like different kids, 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:54.559 just the same concept, I think, and then hey, hey 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.240 shout out Nick Patum though that's a good player. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:57.400 Yeah, yeah it is. 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.679 I just don't think it gets you, like, are they 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.240 in a group chat like did you see this motherfucker lakeup? 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.000 Like did you see this ugg quotes? 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.640 I mean it is Draymond does Draymond does. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.520 Subtweet or I guess subpost on on ig story about 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.400 some of the quotes that Lakeup has had in the past. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.080 So I can see that happening now. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.280 I also think part of that kind of conspiracy wise 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.959 to Sam's point that Steph hasn't said anything, is that 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.320 maybe they're talking trade right now with those guys that 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.640 they drafted. Maybe they couldn't get something done on Draft night. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.480 Maybe they drafted Kaminga at seven, because that's kind of 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.640 the guy with the highest subside at seven. If you're 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.280 a team like I don't know if if you're any 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.760 team right that that that says. 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:38.320 We're gonna trade guys. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.120 But you're looking at a guy who, you know, maybe 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.320 you're rebuilding and you need a lot of talent. Wouldn't 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:44.760 Cominga be the guy that you want to trade for 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.160 at seven. It wouldn't be Franz Wagner. I don't think. 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.560 I don't think. So maybe Steph is sitting there and saying, yeah, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.640 I'm not gonna say, you know, I'm not gonna congratulate 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.800 these guys for beyond team. They might not be on 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.080 the team in two weeks. Maybe the Warriors can still 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.040 trade those guys. That's rare scenario. But maybe those guys 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.040 are still going and getting out of there. So I 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.000 don't know. I don't know, but it's definitely not a 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:05.440 good sign. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.200 Tell me this, is there a scenario we see a 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:15.400 Damian Lillard type like discontent, not sure what's going to happen. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.840 We see he's got four years left on his deal 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.280 and he's still not quote unquote committed to my team 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.680 long term. He's waiting for the moves that they make 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.400 and has made it perfectly clear this is not good enough. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.599 Is there a scenario that Steph, as good of a 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.800 guy that he is, does the same thing. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.000 He hasn't signed an extension yet. I know this is 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:40.560 the last year of his contract. He's not one to, like, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.800 you know, talk publicly on those sort of things. He 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.640 just kind of plays like the good soldier. But it 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.880 is curious we've heard nothing from him like this whole time. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.400 The only time he spoke was at the golf tournament 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.800 up in Tahoe, and it was it was a classic 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.400 Steph non answer where he was just like, yeah, a 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.080 lot of things, a lot of balls in the air. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.200 We're obviously going to make moves in free agency, but 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.319 basically insinuating that, you know, they need to add more 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:09.160 talent to the team. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.520 So, yeah, I'm curious. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.920 That is a lot of money that Look, he's probably 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.560 starning the extension, right, I think the I think everybody 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.400 kind of on both sides knows he will, but because 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:21.920 there's a lot of money he'd have to turn down 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.920 if he doesn't, it's just I don't even know. Sam, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.200 you probably know what the actual amount is. Fifty million, 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.960 sixty seven. I don't know what it is an incredible amount, 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.440 but the fact that he's not signed it yet is 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:33.360 actually interesting. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.960 And who's to say it could be a sign trade. 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:38.760 I mean a good I mean, but you're saying with 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.400 Lillard is that he signed the contract in a year 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:41.960 later He's saying, well, I don't. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.960 Know, he's about to start that contract now there's four 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.120 years and it's just beginning, and he's like, I'm not sure. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.720 Yeah, I mean, that's in which is a fair point 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.520 if I think Lakeup goes down this route. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:53.920 But I am with Sam a little bit. Some of 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.840 it is his showmanship with with Joe. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:01.280 He is always He's always been a braggadocious say salesman, like, that's. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:02.800 Just what venture capitalists do. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:04.920 Exactly, It's Correctactly. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.120 Is there nothing more venture capital than trying to sell 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.640 you on the future when what you're looking at in 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.920 front of you you're like, I don't know about that, guy, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.200 Like that's the most VC thing of all time. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:20.760 You want Series D for what you guys aren't even profitable. Actually, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.120 so you could still do that, but yes, what remains. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.800 Yeah, the whole concept of a venture capitalist is like, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.280 let me sell you on a potential dream that is 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.840 nowhere close to coming to fruition yet and most likely 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.960 will not, so that you can give me more time 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.240 to gather more assets to manifest. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:40.960 This into existence. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.920 Yeah, a boat's a boat, but the mystery boss could 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.200 be anything. Sure, we're going here, it. 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.320 Could be another boat. It could be another boat. Like 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.400 you can warriors fans. I mean, you can sell me 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.920 on comingo Wiseman and Moody. That's the thing, Like, you 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.640 can actually sell me on that. But the problem is 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.800 that you've already had a company that ipo' and has 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.120 been extremely profitable and now is leak and oil. Like 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.440 that's the problem is that you still have a top 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.520 twenty basketball player of all time. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.240 You know what I mean, sitting there in his prime. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.560 I mean one of the greatest seasons ever for him, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.520 and you can't sell me on a future one's just 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:19.320 about the money. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.440 Is it just about the money? 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.360 I don't know if it's just about the money. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.240 I think it's the fear factor that Like, Okay, so 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.120 the dream scenario is there competitive while the young guys 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.480 develop and they never have to have the we're gonna 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.400 be garbage and win twenty games four years in a 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.440 row scenario, right, Like I do understand the allure of that. 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.960 It's like, even if they're not contending for titles, Chase 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.040 Enter sold out every night because they want to watch 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.440 Steph Curry. And then theoretically at some point Kuminga and 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.960 Wiseman are stars who are lifting you too, right, just 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.160 the reality of it, which is like, why would Steph 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.000 Curry sign up for like spending his last years of 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.040 his prime just like carrying a team to an eight 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.880 seed while they spend all their resources developing nineteen. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:08.920 Year old right right? 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.280 Yeah, he said, Joe Lacob said this, I think that 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.879 we can contend. If we can't, you should look at 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.880 Joe Lacub speaking in the third person, and Bob Myers 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.880 and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson Andremond Green and Andrew 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.439 Wiggins and say you weren't good enough shout out not 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.760 throwing Steve Kurr under the bus in that accountability circle. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.600 But that's okay, we're paying all that money you need 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:35.359 to be good enough. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.520 Does Joe Lacub think that there's a one to one 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.320 correlation between how much you pay someone in the production 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:41.320 that they're going to give you. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:47.119 I mean, he is a VC guy, I guess, so. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.440 I mean, here's here's one thing. I will say. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.840 They do have the highest payroll in the NBA. The 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.840 question should be why do they have the highest payroll 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:57.960 in the NBA with this roster? 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.280 Right? 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.120 Like, what are you what do we get for this 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:02.040 this highest payroll? 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.800 Right? You know, what are we getting with Andrew Wiggins here? 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:05.879 What you know? 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.280 It's not a correlation to what's on the court. So 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.520 to me and Wigans, yeah, that was funny insertion. 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:13.640 Touch that funny thing. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.680 To me, it all started when they wanted to get 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.119 something back for losing Kevin Durant. They didn't want to 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.040 get nothing back, so they took d LO on a 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.119 long deal and then it all just kind of spiraled 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.400 from there. Now you have to try his bad contract 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.159 for another bad contracts, So you're just playing like like 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.160 whack a mole with terrible contracts. Is like do everything 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.880 that you can to get rid of them. Bob Meyer said, this, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.439 things are happening. This is pre draft, which we probably 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:39.640 should have been concerned about. 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:43.560 Right then. Things are happening really fast. Right now. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.040 You used to have a three to four year window 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.639 we had that. That's not the case anymore. And now 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.919 we have to think about the future. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:53.359 Wow. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.880 I didn't even actually know those culture out there. Oh Sam, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.680 we now we got to use those because that is wow. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:18:59.920 That is now. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.560