1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Native Land Potter is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: All right, Welcome home everybody. This is Andrew Gillim. I'm 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: here with my challenge talented, interrupting and complaining co host 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: and the vibe here with us to discuss, quite frankly. 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: That you never really want. 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: It, big sister, You never know you needed, but you do. Uh. 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: We want today to just spend a few minutes talking about, 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: frankly inspired by I think a lot of the comments 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: from from listeners viewers around whether or not it feels 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: fair to ask certain people in certain positions and from 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: certain purchase to have to take sacrifices that aren't necessarily 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: universal right that we all may not have to take, 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: but that prescribe few of us might. This is coming 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: on the heels of the na A CPS latest campaign 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: to try to refuse our service, withhold, withdraw our service 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: from these universities that are in Southern States, stripping off 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: of our rights. If you were one of those athletes 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: lucky enough to be recruited by these many schools, and 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: so many other examples, and so Angela, I know you've 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: got great passion around what this human told, this human 23 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: cost to activism is. And I think we all got 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: our own war stories about what that looks like. But 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: ground us in the history of some of this what 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: we've seen exampled here as ways of inspiration, I think 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: to encourage us forward. 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, there are a number of people questioning, 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: and I think for a good reason. I think if 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: you ask someone to make, you know, a major sacrifice, 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: they should know why. They should know, you know, what 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: are the options if they do this, What are the 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: consequences that they do this? And so we're hearing that 34 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: from a lot of student athletes parents right now about 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: the out of Bounds campaign, which is the NAACPCE campaign. Additionally, 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: when you look at history one, it's always been young people. 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: It's always been led by young people. One of the 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: largest criticisms of the Montgomery bus boycott is there was 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: an alternative that they did not use. 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: It was a black owned. 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: Bus company, and there were conversations about whether or not 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: that would undermine what they were trying to accomplish if 43 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: they just went back to something that was deemed segregated. 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: I wonder if that was the right decision, because then 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: that bus company ended up going out of business. 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 4: When we think. 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: About the cost, the toll, what our parents have sacrificed, 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: some of us have sacrificed, what we have to examine 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: is whether or not it's worth it and when does 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: it pay its dividends if ever, So we talked about earlier. 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: My dad's birthday was Tuesday. 52 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: One of the things that I talked about in my 53 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: remarks about my dad at his party was, you know, 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: on our family thread, a number of our family members 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 3: talked about how much he's done for them and being 56 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 3: present for them and being a great uncle, or you know, 57 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: me saying he's been a great dad. But the community 58 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: has experienced my dad in a very different way. You know, 59 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 3: he's the guy that's going to give you his last dollar. 60 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: You have a fight that nobody's paying attention to, He's 61 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: gonna lift up that fight. He's going to ensure that, 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: you know, concessionaires have access to airport contracts. He's going 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: to ensure that a construction company. He is literally the 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: guy driving out a highway. 65 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 4: Y'all don't have no black people working on this job. 66 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 4: You know, like he's going to do that. There are 67 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: a number of activists, y'all. 68 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: And we know some of them who have done some 69 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: of that work, and they did it for a kickback. 70 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 3: They've gotten something out of it where they were rewarded 71 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: for their labor. Sure, my dad has consulted too on 72 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: some work in that space, but for the most part, 73 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: it's been that Andrea Rye doctor Andrea Ray has ended 74 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: up being the breadwinner more often than either of them 75 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: would have liked. Right, just the other day, I actually 76 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: want to read you guys this text message because this 77 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: is not about the NAACP portion of the campaign, but 78 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: Bakari and Andrew, it is about the Corporate America requirement 79 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: that the CBC put out in a letter that our 80 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: black mayors followed up within a letter, and I want 81 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: to read you this text message that I got from 82 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: a black lobbyist. 83 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: Angela say just a moment more about what the letter 84 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: was being asked. 85 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: Oh the letters. 86 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, I talked about it at nauseum on the 87 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: Tuesday Show. But for those of you, like Andrew who 88 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: didn't listen, Andrew has a good. 89 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 4: Reason to know the answer. No, But I'm just but 90 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 4: I'm just saying. 91 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 3: The letter requested four things from corporate America. One of 92 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: them was that they put out a statement either collectively 93 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: or individually, saying that they stand up for voting rights. 94 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: I mean, he should probably go to the letter so 95 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 4: I don't get these asks wrong. 96 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: That they would report on their political contribution so that 97 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: folks could see the nexus between folks they funded and 98 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: these discriminatory redistricting schemes or attacks on voting rights. They 99 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: also asked them to accept an invitation from the CBC 100 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: to have a discussion with civil rights leaders, advocates, activists 101 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: in this space to talk about what is needed in 102 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: this moment for black political power to be safe in 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: this country. Again, we're talking about voting and representation. And 104 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: then they asked that all of these things be done 105 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 3: by I must say January, June ninth. The African American 106 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 3: mayors came behind them and said, we're with the Congressional 107 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: Black Caucus. We want to know where you stand on 108 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: behalf of all the mayors because there's a lot of 109 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: economic opportunity, Mayor Gilliam as you know, that flows through 110 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: these cities. And they're saying, we're not turning a blind 111 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: eye to this. If you don't stand with us, we 112 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 3: ain't standing with y'all. Then the Civil Rights the Leadership 113 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: Conference on Civil and Human Rights did the same thing 114 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: or something similar, echoing the sentiments of the CBC letter labors, 115 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: we're expecting labor to do the same thing, some of 116 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: the governor's attorneys general to all stand in solidarity. Well, 117 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 3: what is fascinating to me in this moment is like 118 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: some of the black lobbyists don't know what time it is. 119 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 4: So I got this text. 120 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 3: I'm not going to say from who, but I asked 121 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: that the Washington Government Relations Group stand in solidarity with 122 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: the CBC. 123 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: Why that gives them cover? 124 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 3: Represents black lobbyists, That gives them cover, that secures their jobs, 125 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: that probably gives them more contracts. Like let's just play 126 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: like the calculus of you're working on a black issue 127 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: now in the Trump administration, where they ain't working on 128 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: nothing black but getting. 129 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: Rid of it. 130 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 5: Right. 131 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: So I get this message back. It says that he's 132 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 3: going to talk to the president of this association. Black 133 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: lobbyists are pretty pissed, and some of them have had 134 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: their jobs threatened and a couple of consultants have lost contracts. 135 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: They all support our members, but folks feel blindsided I 136 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: want to know who the black lobbyists are talking to 137 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: if the CBC gets cut in half. I want to 138 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: know what dumbass company got rid of a contract or 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: a job in the last seven days over a request 140 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: for Member for Corporations to send out a letter or 141 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: a statement. 142 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: Saying they support voting rights. 143 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: When we merely went back to the same companies who 144 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: said they agreed with this in twenty twenty one. 145 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 4: What changed in five years, y'all? 146 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: And please tell me where the courage of the black 147 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: lobbyists went, Like where are your balls to tell me 148 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: that you are saying that the company If you're working 149 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: at a company that would fire you over the ability 150 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: of your grandparents and your kids to go exercise their 151 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: franchise friend, you working in the wrong place. 152 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: And don't tell me about sacrifice. 153 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: Because I was making almost a million dollars a year 154 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: representing most of these companies. I've lost most of those contracts, 155 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: So please don't tell me about sacrifice. It's cost me 156 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: a great deal to stand on morality. Under Stand with 157 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: Harriet and go get your lost. 158 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: Ask why I'm confused by the like expectator. When did 159 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 5: we start expecting stuff from folk like when in the 160 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 5: movement did we start to expect everybody to participate? When 161 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 5: did we start having a level of expectation and then 162 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 5: disappointment when individuals don't like. The funny part about the 163 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 5: movement is that if you talk to ten black folks 164 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 5: over the age of seventy today, they will all tell 165 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 5: you how they were there, when, in all honesty, one 166 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 5: out of every ten of them actually participated. Okay, let's 167 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 5: just be let's keep it a buck, right, you mean, 168 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 5: I read come of Lisa Rice's autobiography and the most 169 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 5: amazing thing was, you know, she's from Birmingham, Alabama, and 170 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 5: her parents were her dad was a Baptist minister, and 171 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 5: they hated doctor King. I mean doctor King wrote the 172 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 5: letter to the Birmingham Jail, not to white folk, but 173 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 5: to them, like Reverend Jackson in Chicago hated doctor King 174 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 5: so much that he changed the entrance of his church 175 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 5: so that it would not be on Martin Luther King 176 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 5: Junior Boulevard. 177 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 4: Not our reverend, not our reverend. 178 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: No, no, no, not our reverend. What was his name? 179 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: Ask my daddy. Yeah. 180 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 5: So, So my point to you, though, is that, like 181 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 5: I don't know where we kind. 182 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: Of got this collective expectation. 183 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 5: That all Negroes were going to be involved in our salvation, 184 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 5: because that's not the case. 185 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: Leadership is extreme was challenging us, all right. 186 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 5: Leadership is leadership is extremely lonely, though, movement building is 187 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 5: extremely lonely. In fact, that that's why you're in it, 188 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 5: because you put your shoulder to the wheel to help 189 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 5: other people get out the ditch. 190 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: And I tell people all the time, like, if you're going. 191 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 5: To get involved in this work that Andrew does, that, 192 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 5: Angela does that, the people we love in a door, 193 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 5: that Summer does. Right, you have to realize that everybody 194 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 5: ain't gonna be with you. Some people are going to 195 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 5: live in a gate community and drive two teslas and 196 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 5: go to work every day. 197 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 4: And that's okay, Lolo, said doctor Joseph H. Jackson. 198 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: I knew it was Joe. I knew it was a Joe. 199 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: I just didn't want to throw it out that Joseph H. 200 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 5: Jackson not to be Michael. That's the that's their ministry. 201 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 5: Everybody ministry ain't ain't. And that's why I mean, I 202 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 5: don't think you're wrong, Angela. I just don't want you 203 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 5: to be disappointed. 204 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: Like I don't know. 205 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: I'm damn sure disappointed because here's I hear it. I know, 206 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: here's my point. Where's your fucking floor? 207 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 3: Like if if you're if you're objecting to your corporation 208 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: saying black people should be able to vote, are you 209 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: fine with your corporation saying black people should not be sharecroppers? 210 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: Are you fine with your corporation saying black people should 211 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: not be enslaved? Are you fine with your corporation saying 212 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: black people should let me tell you what they probably 213 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: fine with black people should have access to contracts because 214 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: they see the economic benefit of that. But if there 215 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: is no civil and human rights protection, you don't have 216 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: no economic benefit, you dumb ass. 217 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 4: Like we're at the floor. 218 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: I think I talked to them. 219 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: I thought be about and Andrew sorry about their self 220 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: interest because if half the caucus goes, half of their 221 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: contracts go, they. 222 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 5: Get it's no need for black lobbyist. I mean in 223 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 5: just SI, we're being overly we're being overly generalize it. 224 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 5: But insie, but you know, there is a there's a 225 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 5: great deal of value in having black lobbyists go talk 226 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 5: to black members. 227 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: So no, it's it is. I'm so sorry to break 228 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: it to you. It is damn near our only value. 229 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: There's there's an exception every now and then to like, oh, well, 230 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: I'm really close to Nancy Pelosi. Sure they have, you 231 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: have one in a million. You talked about one in 232 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: ten d We're talking about one in a million there. 233 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 3: They don't need a bunch of negroes to go tack 234 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 3: talk to Nancy. Hell, if we're honest, they don't even 235 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: need a bunch of women. So I'm just saying like that, 236 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: our efficacy is in our mass. The strategy is in 237 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: having sixty two CBCS members. They're not hiring no niggas 238 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 3: to talk to Tim Scott. Unfortunately he doesn't know he's one. 239 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't think they see it that way. I think they, 240 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: first of all, as I said before, and as we 241 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: all know, has been exampled, just because folks share our 242 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: skin color, even maybe in the political realm, and share 243 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: our party, each of us come at this thing with 244 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: our own angle, budget and banking is lodger and all that, 245 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: And so I don't expect that he's going to be 246 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: rallying with us around the big ugly bill right trying 247 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: to push that back and put money back into the 248 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: hands of people who need it and not those who 249 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: don't need it and didn't ask for it. Right, But 250 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: black lobbyists are not leading indicators. They are lagging indicators. 251 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: And I would even go so far as to say 252 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: most selected officials that I know are not leading indicators. 253 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: They are lagging indicators. The point at which they get 254 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: around to doing something the people have been crying for it, 255 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: or the need has been present in the community for 256 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: so long. It just so happens that the moment of 257 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: momentum happened to meet the willingness of the elected official, 258 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: and so they got on it. But they didn't lead 259 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: the thing. They weren't at the tip of the spear. 260 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: They're a lagging indicator. So I just don't think that 261 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: we should take our cues around whether or not it's 262 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: in vogue to call on corporations, of course, do a thing, 263 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: not even just our cues. I agree with some of that. 264 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: Our expectations across the. 265 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: Board have to rise. 266 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: They have to rise. But I think for the rest 267 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: of us laboring in the field here, don't let these 268 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: folks do us. No never mind, But. 269 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 3: Here's the problem Andrew them saying that means that they're 270 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: inside those consultant meetings and inside those conversations with their 271 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 3: c suite and executives at the. 272 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: Companies saying I don't need you to sign this letter. 273 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: I think they're saying much worse. 274 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: I can we can we go back real quick? Can 275 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: we go? 276 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 5: It's just one little small step that we just dipped 277 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 5: over real quick. There are a lot of people who 278 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 5: don't understand. And Angela knows this better than anybody. Can 279 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 5: you explain the necessity of black lobbyists, like. 280 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: Yes, we're necessary everywhere, as we're necessary as black lobbyists, 281 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: as black engineers, as black firefighters, is black pilots, as 282 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: black all black everything. 283 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: Like a people place like people look at you exactly. People. 284 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 5: People talk about money in politics, and when they think 285 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: about money in politics and corporate greed, the first thing 286 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 5: they do is is think about lobbyist, right, and smoking 287 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 5: cigars and drinking and these smoke filled rooms. 288 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: Right. 289 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 5: They don't understand, correct, I don't. And I think that 290 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 5: a lot of people listening to this they're probably like. 291 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: Who gives the fuck about lobbyist? Right? Like they believe 292 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: them to be on the bottom. 293 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: I get it. 294 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: They believe just the perception. So I'm just trying to 295 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: un and the perception. 296 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: Well, so the perception in some instances clearly, especially with 297 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: this text, it's to deserve right. So I guess what 298 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: I would say is it's not just about proximity to power. 299 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: There are many a black lobbyists who have used their 300 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: platforms to ensure that black political and policy interests are met. So, 301 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: for example, I didn't lobby better. 302 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: Joyce Bravewy Sorry, go ahead. 303 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Joyce Braveway is hopefully Goldman Sax signs onto the letter. 304 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 4: Love you, Joyce, do need you to sign on. 305 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: I guess what I would say is, when you consider 306 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: what happened around George Floyd's murder, I was not a lobbyist, 307 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: but I consulted companies. 308 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 4: One of them was PayPal. 309 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: The fund that we stood up around PayPal and got 310 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 3: money to black private equity and venture was just challenged. Uh, 311 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: PayPal just was retracting, like, oh, we're sorry for doing this. 312 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: I'm not damn sorry. So there are things that we 313 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: do inside corporate, whether it's in the government affairs department, 314 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 3: it's in you know, legal affairs, it's in consumer relations. 315 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: Like we are needed everywhere and part of it is 316 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: to mitigate harm. Part of it is to strategy or 317 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: strategize around economic growth and opportunity for other contractors, vendors, suppliers. 318 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: Some of it is around making sure that you know 319 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: if there's DEI federally that people are compliant. There are 320 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: all kinds of things that that Black government relations consultants, 321 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: political strategists, and other types of consultants do to ensure 322 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: that our needs are met by Corporate America. 323 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: That we challenge them to say, hey, because I have. 324 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: These sixty two members of the CBC, I know they're 325 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: going to ask you about X, y Z, and you 326 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: get them ready for that. 327 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 4: One of the things I had to do was get 328 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: the Intel. 329 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: Chief Diversity Officer ready for a hearing, So you're guiding 330 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: them on what to say during hearings, the types of 331 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: questions they will likely be asked. It's no different than 332 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: if you were a lawyer and outside council for a company. 333 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: But if you lose sight of your foundation while you're there. 334 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: It's the basic rule of politics that y'all know better 335 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: than me. You don't ever abandon your base. How you 336 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 3: got there was standing on the shoulders of our ancestors. 337 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: How you got there was making sure there were policies 338 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 3: that protected your ability to earn money to be able 339 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: to be in that space. So when you abandon that 340 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: and say this is going to cost me my job 341 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: because you've been in there, going along to get. 342 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: Along, Sadly, sadly, that's where we are, and I know 343 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: we're wrapping this conversation. But if I were to say 344 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: why these folks are important, it would be that if 345 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: the media was the fourth estate behind the legislative, executive, 346 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: judicial branches. If the media is the fourth estate, not 347 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: in any rank order, I would say corporations are the 348 00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: fifth es state. Unfortunately, the power, particularly under Trump, of 349 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: of the super wealthy. Y'all just think back to what 350 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: the picture on the stage looked like when he took 351 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: the oath of office. Never before had we seen the 352 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: presidency flanked by corporate CEOs on the platform. We used 353 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: to saying elect is there there. They're thereby prescribed title 354 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: and there's a whole protocol to it. But in this 355 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: case the president wasn't flanked by them. He was flanked 356 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: by big ass corporations, corporate CEOs, the wealthiest practical oligarchs 357 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: we have in this country. And so the people who 358 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: are then whispering and chattering in the ears of those 359 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: folks who flanked Donald Trump at his inauguration, those are 360 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: oftentimes the lobbyist. So it matters that that also whispering 361 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: in the voices of these very powerful people are people 362 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: who hopefully have our community's interest at heart, can put 363 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: a bug in it on our behalf. So I just think, 364 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: if there's a fifth estate, it's corporates in this country, 365 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: and again not in that order. 366 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: What can we though, before we leave a g can 367 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: we answer what we have been willing to sacrifice for 368 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: the movement, for like for the collective struggle, for our activism, 369 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: for black advancement in this country? 370 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: What you have I always say, We often don't. I 371 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: would say, we often don't even know the toll when 372 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: we sign up. We don't often know the toll. We 373 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: know that we're in this, and we're in it for 374 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: the right reasons, and God knows we'll fight tooth and 375 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: nail to defend while we're there and the service we provide. 376 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: But when you come under attack, when the contracts go away, 377 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: when this happens, or that that happens, you didn't give 378 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: yourself a pep talk to be prepared for it. You 379 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: really didn't. Yeah, you knew that service was a service, 380 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: and that's just it. It was a service. But now 381 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: it's a service, and it's also a tax, and it's 382 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: also an encumbrance, and it's also handcuffs, and it's also 383 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: need these restraints and leg restraints, and it's also limitations. 384 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: It's also huge and tremendous responsibility. But I will guarantee 385 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: you you didn't conjure those consequences when you when you 386 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: set off on it. And and quite frankly, you don't 387 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: also know the great, the great, great, great depths that 388 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: you can endure on that journey as well. So there 389 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: are no take backs for me in that regard. I 390 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: didn't know the toll, but I knew the responsibility. And 391 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: with great privilege, you know, comes great things, but also 392 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: comes great responsibility. And with that responsibility also comes the tax. 393 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: And they don't advertise that tax at the front, uh, 394 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: but it always comes due. 395 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: Makary, what about yours? No, you got to answer your question. 396 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: You don't know the question. You let me tell you 397 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 3: the question again. 398 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: I mean it's basically, what are you willing to do? 399 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 4: What have you been willing to sacrifice. 400 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean I sacrifice will you? I mean, 401 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 5: I'll sacrifice anything. I mean I feel like I don't. 402 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 5: I feel like I don't have much of a choice. 403 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 5: I mean, my dad nearly lost his life. Like, we 404 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 5: ain't out here picking and choosing our moments of sacrifice 405 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 5: if there is a if there is, and if there 406 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 5: is a choice that needs to be made, my prayer 407 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 5: is that I have that You know that I have 408 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 5: the clarity and understanding to make that correct choice. I mean, 409 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 5: and that that is want of sacrifice. I don't ever 410 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 5: think that. I mean, my encouragement for you all is 411 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 5: to live a life that is going to drive you 412 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 5: crazy by having this level of expectation and then followed 413 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 5: by disappointment with people who aren't built the same and 414 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 5: everybody's I think everybody, can we. 415 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 4: Have a floor? Can we have a floor? 416 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: Can you can? 417 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 5: But I'm just saying you can have a floor, and 418 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 5: you can treat them as such. But the disappointment is 419 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 5: where it's just an emotional drainage too. 420 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you. 421 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 3: Should be able to I mean, come on, like we 422 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: can't say, like I'm asking y' all, can you all 423 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: can you all. Are you all comfortable saying on this 424 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: show today that black people should be able to access 425 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: the ballot box and should be able to choose representatives 426 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: of their. 427 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. 428 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: Like I'm stunned, because, like, what are we talking about? 429 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: Disappointments come with this process. I also think you can't 430 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: be disappointed if you don't have expectations. And I we 431 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: ought to have expectations for each other. But I also 432 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: think that, and I said this after, you know, going 433 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: through some some herowing years, that I that because I 434 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: associated with certain people and we shared similar similar careers 435 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: and and journeys and that kind of thing, that I 436 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: thought we were all riding like lions, and I'm a leo, 437 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: and so of course I revert to the lion. But 438 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: when the tests was the tests and you had to 439 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: take stock, I realized there were more hyenas around this thing, 440 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: the ones who feast on the meat. But they don't 441 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: do the killed, they don't make the killed. They don't catch, right, 442 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: don't they don't. 443 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: They don't do the work. 444 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: We just happened to be eating at the same table, 445 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: and I mistook them We're also lions and they're just hyenas, 446 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: and so why would I hold a hyena accountable for 447 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: the composition of a lion. You wouldn't. They were just 448 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: doing what they knew how to do. And I had 449 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: to make peace and accept that a lot of people 450 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: are here just doing what they know how to do, 451 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: and they're not all cut for the same path. They're 452 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: cut for their path. 453 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 4: If we got this many hyenas, we're not gonna. 454 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: Make it well, I don't know that we. 455 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: I think we're not gonna make it like they're always. 456 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: More hyenas than there are lions. 457 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: But you know, what hyenas also will do is follow 458 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: a lead. And so in my mind, if there are 459 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: companies that start stepping out, if we can get ten 460 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: twenty thirty, the cocus gets that many companies to say, 461 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: we still agree, there are also folks who will just 462 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 3: follow the pack. So I don't have expectations that everybody's 463 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: a trailblazer, agreed, But I have an expectation of these 464 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: dumb niggas not to stand in the way of progress 465 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: by saying. 466 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: Oh no, sir, you ain't got to sign net letter, sir. 467 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 4: Most important thing is that you're okay. Most important things 468 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 4: so as your bottom line. 469 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 3: Well, if your bottom line has impacted because we're not 470 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: going to shop there, you gonna lose your job anyway. 471 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 4: If you're gonna lose your job, at least lose it 472 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 4: on principal, friends. 473 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you, and we're about to wrap. 474 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: But I guarantee you nine out of ten of them 475 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: people are probably gonna center the comfort of their bosses 476 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: over the demand that any one of us might make. Right, y'all, 477 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: you've been listening to us carry on longer than. 478 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: I thought we would, But it's important. 479 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: We took a narrow view today and sort of a 480 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: particular realm of importance, and that's the world of those 481 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: who influence decision makers. But you could, you could project 482 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: this thing and widen it out to any number of 483 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: roles and positions and people as you'd like, and I 484 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: think we'd end up really pretty much at the same place, 485 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: which is, there are some of us who are willing 486 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: to sacrifice at all. There are others who are willing 487 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: to sacrifice close to it, but less and less and 488 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: less and so on and so forth as it goes, 489 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: and we've got to figure out how we endure that 490 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: and still stay on, of course, on mission, remain undeterred. 491 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: You've been listening to us here at Native Lampod on 492 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: this week's mini pod. We hope that you'll join us 493 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: for our main episode. Check it out, listen over the weekend, 494 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: go back listen, I few, it's It's all good. 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