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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that with your mouth revely. That's good. So

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Speaker 1: today's episode is really interesting. We recorded as back in June.

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Speaker 1: My friend Kristen. She connected us with two guys, two men,

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Speaker 1: Bishop Omar and Ryan Tillman. They call themselves. They call

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Speaker 1: themselves brothers from another mother. Yeah, they had and now

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Speaker 1: we got into that too. They're like, it's how the

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Speaker 1: episod so it starts, is how they met in their

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Speaker 1: sort of spiritual connection. This is a really interesting episode. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well Ryan Tillman, Okay, by the way, who I've kept

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Speaker 1: in touch with. I'm actually doing his podcast in a

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Speaker 1: few days. He is a police officer here in California,

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Speaker 1: and he also started something called Breaking Barriers United, which

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Speaker 1: invests in youth by going into neighborhoods and implementing relationship

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Speaker 1: building and mentoring programs to ultimately improve police community relations

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Speaker 1: and increase transparency. He's just an amazing I guess I

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Speaker 1: can call him a kid because I'm forty three years old.

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Speaker 1: He's just got a light, a bright light around him.

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Speaker 1: I really really love what he is doing, really love

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. Yeah, and he has got just great

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Speaker 1: energy and every intention that he has moving forward is

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Speaker 1: just good. And Omar, Bishop Omar, I just was like

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Speaker 1: he was so beautiful and the work that he's done

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Speaker 1: in his career, I mean he's devoted everything to, you know,

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Speaker 1: who created the first truce between the Bloods and the crips.

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Speaker 1: You know, so he has been bringing people together for

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Speaker 1: this summit. They had this big panel talking about everything

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Speaker 1: Bishop Omar, he's focused right now on this Heel America tour,

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Speaker 1: which is it's a course correction conversation on race, citizenship,

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Speaker 1: and humanity. And I think just overall, we had a

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Speaker 1: is being black men dealing with the police, and then

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Speaker 1: how these types of conversations can help create change and more.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to say too that Ryan

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Speaker 1: was awesome and we got right to talking about the

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Speaker 1: spiritual connection that brought them together. And so I hope

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoy this episode of Brothers from Another Mother.

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Speaker 1: How did you guys meet? Through Kristin and through Journey eight.

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Speaker 1: Christin and I got to talk and she was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you have to meet Bishop Omar. So then me and

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Speaker 1: Bishop Omar did an interview together on Journey eight, which

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Speaker 1: Bishop Omar is like my big brother from another mother. So,

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Speaker 1: To be honest, man, this my feeling it was spirit

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a connection that me and Bishop Omar

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Speaker 1: whether it's policing. I just so happened to bring up

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Speaker 1: I got to work today actually, and so. But Bishop

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Speaker 1: And so when I'm running into people that's like that,

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Speaker 1: Like so I had no aspirations of being a police

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Speaker 1: You know, I always I'm very close close, you know,

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Speaker 1: close knit, just because I don't know what a person's

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Speaker 1: intentions are. But recently, like God's been putting in my

429
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Speaker 1: life some people that I can just see, like have

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Speaker 1: genuine intentions that want to change the way we see people.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because you know this, all of this intention

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Speaker 1: is so beautiful, and I'm I always go to solution

433
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Speaker 1: when your solution oriented, like how do you actually implement

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Speaker 1: what it is you're trying to shift and change? So

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Speaker 1: for me, there's a few things, so kind of just

436
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Speaker 1: going down the list, so I have I do. It

437
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Speaker 1: all started with me speaking in schools and churches. Actually,

438
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Speaker 1: I do this thing called the initiative workshop, where I

439
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Speaker 1: come to your organization and I come, tell my story

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Speaker 1: about who I am. You know why, you know where

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Speaker 1: I come from, the bad experiences I had. I asked you, like,

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Speaker 1: have you ever had a bad experience, and then you'll

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Speaker 1: tell me, yes, this is what my bad experience was.

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Speaker 1: And then that leads into me going into why I

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Speaker 1: got into police work, the training that I received as

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Speaker 1: a police officer, and then in front of all your friends,

447
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Speaker 1: then we transition into putting you through scenarios as a

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Speaker 1: police officer that we deal with on a daily day basis.

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Speaker 1: And that part is the funniest part because now I

450
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Speaker 1: get to play bad guy, you have to play police officer,

451
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Speaker 1: and then I get just have fun with it. But

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Speaker 1: it's a learning curve, and we do about five or

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Speaker 1: six different scenarios and we bring it back to Okay,

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Speaker 1: now that you guys know the human side of Ryan Tilman,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the actual, the police officer side of

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Speaker 1: Ryan Tilman that I deal with day to day. So

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Speaker 1: I do that presentation which kind of led me into

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Speaker 1: doing motivational speaking diversity workshops, talking about you know, how

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Speaker 1: it comes from, where it stems from, how do we

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Speaker 1: change that. So that all happened. And then as we

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Speaker 1: started doing that, you know, I recognize that people needed

463
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Speaker 1: to hear this conversation. More people wanted to hear this

464
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Speaker 1: conversation more. So that's when I started a podcast about

465
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Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, two years ago called

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Speaker 1: the If Needied Podcast. And where that name came from

467
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Speaker 1: is everybody had. Every time I told somebody what I did,

468
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Speaker 1: They're like, oh, my goodness, that's so needed. So I

469
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Speaker 1: created this podcast called It's Needed with his buddy name well,

470
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Speaker 1: my buddy named aj. He's a police officer in Ohio.

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Speaker 1: His Instagram is oh no, it's the Popo. And so

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Speaker 1: we created this, We created this, this podcast and he's

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal human being. I love that he's another one

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Speaker 1: of my brothers. And that podcast really just expanded, like

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Speaker 1: really really quickly. And so that from there, I said,

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Speaker 1: we held a conference locally which invited out all the

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Speaker 1: public figures of the community, so your your chiefs, your mayors,

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Speaker 1: your city managers, your teachers, your students, and then ultimately

479
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Speaker 1: that's all led to this bigger, this grand scheme plan,

480
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Speaker 1: which is what I've been working on. Like, my baby

481
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Speaker 1: is this recruiting aspect is infiltrating the system from within.

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Speaker 1: So I'm all about police reform, you know what I mean.

483
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Speaker 1: I think people get afraid of the word police reform

484
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Speaker 1: because our officers get afraid because they get this mindset. Oh,

485
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Speaker 1: they're trying to tear down police and they're trying to

486
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Speaker 1: take it away from us. No, that's not it at all.

487
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Speaker 1: We're just trying to find ways to do things better.

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Speaker 1: So I'm all about it. So for me, I'm like, well,

489
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Speaker 1: what's the best way to change policing. Well, it's by

490
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Speaker 1: hiring better police officers, you know, qualified police officers, diversified

491
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Speaker 1: police officers, police officers that look like the communities that

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Speaker 1: they're policing. That's what I've been working on in the

493
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Speaker 1: totality of things. So I say all that to say

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Speaker 1: is like I have I'm like you like, okay, I'm

495
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Speaker 1: very solution based, Like we can talk about problems for days,

496
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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, what's the solution? Right,

497
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Speaker 1: So for me, I'm very active and very intentional about

498
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Speaker 1: the solutions that I'm bringing to the table. So that

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Speaker 1: way I can confidently stand on any platform and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, on call a space to space. One of

501
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Speaker 1: my pet peeves is when you know, anybody can go

502
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Speaker 1: on Instagram and put up a hashtaga you know, hashtag

503
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Speaker 1: George Floyd, hashtag you know, you know, police reform, hashtag

504
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Speaker 1: defund police. But what are you going to do in

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Speaker 1: two months from now when all this is over and

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Speaker 1: you have the next big headline that's help, Like, what

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Speaker 1: are you still actively doing? And so since I've been

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Speaker 1: everything I just mentioned is the real work that I'm

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Speaker 1: your both of your perspectives on this when when people

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Speaker 1: are talking about there's so much I mean, clearly, George Floyd,

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Speaker 1: this horrific moment in history has changed history. I believe

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Speaker 1: that the conversation is at the forefront will continue to

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Speaker 1: be and the fire that's sort of ignited right now

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Speaker 1: is I hope this great opportunity where we will start

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Speaker 1: to see people actually implementing it beyond the hashtag. But

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Speaker 1: how far where do we start? Meaning there's the police,

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Speaker 1: but there's also you know, the communities. We were learning

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Speaker 1: things that I think so many people haven't been educated

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Speaker 1: on money inside of the police force. How do we

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Speaker 1: really talk about the allocation of funding when we are

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Speaker 1: twenty to thirty percent budgeted towards the police force, and

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Speaker 1: then so much of that budget could be actually going

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Speaker 1: into you know, whether it be inner cities schools, whether

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Speaker 1: these questions when you're talking about such enormous issues. So

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Speaker 1: that's a great question. I always like to use examples.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a former college athlete. I play college football UNLV,

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Speaker 1: and when I play college football, one of the things

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Speaker 1: football programs invest a lot of money into us as athletes.

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Speaker 1: And why do they invest so much money into us

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Speaker 1: as athletes is because they know on Saturday when we

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Speaker 1: kick off, we better perform to our highest ability. So

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Speaker 1: if you go on to YouTube right now, and you

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Speaker 1: just got a new facility and it's pretty cool. They

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Speaker 1: have this thing called the car wash. And as soon

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Speaker 1: as you leave the field, you take off your shoulder pads,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know I don't even want to imagine

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Speaker 1: But then they put that money into it is because

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Speaker 1: they want the University of Michigan to win football game.

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Speaker 1: So when we talk about this concept of defunding the police,

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Speaker 1: on one hand, you have people saying police need more training,

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Speaker 1: which you're absolutely right. If the officer that says, oh,

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Speaker 1: we can always train better. But on the other end

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Speaker 1: of that, in order to train officers, you also need

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Speaker 1: funding to train officers. So I just looked at our

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Speaker 1: budget for the police department that I work at, and

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Speaker 1: the two top things that our budget goes to is

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Speaker 1: one training and two police salaries. So you have to

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Speaker 1: let's dissect those two things. Police training. Why would you

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Speaker 1: not want the best officers out there that are trained

640
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: to the best of their ability to patrol your streets

641
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: because at any given time they can show up at

642
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: your door. They're gonna have to protect you, or your

643
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: family or somebody else. And I better, I want I know,

644
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 1: for me and my family, I want to make sure

645
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: that I have the best trained officer out there. On

646
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: the flip side of that is, you've got to have

647
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: to be competitive with the salaries for some police officers

648
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: in certain places, because again you want qualify candidates. So

649
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: you lower the salary, you may also going to lower

650
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: the quality candidates that you're going to get into that position.

651
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: And so you know, you say, take all the money, Okay,

652
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: well where are the candidate's gonna come from? Now, who's

653
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: going to actually want to do this job that's qualified

654
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: to do it? Because we talk about qualified candidates, and

655
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: so you know, one of the there's if I if

656
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: I could sum up this whole conversation and everything I've

657
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: been doing to one word, it will be balanced. Like

658
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: right now in society we're lacking balance. We have two extremes.

659
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: You have the extreme is hey let's defund them, let's

660
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: abolish them. You have the other extremes, Hey, police can

661
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: do no wrong. There's no balance. Even in politics, we

662
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: see it. You know, you're either Democrat or a Republican.

663
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: There is nowhere in the middle. And if you're in

664
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: the middle, it's like, well, shame on you. So we

665
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: lack balance. And it's the same thing when it comes

666
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: to talking about funding the police is I'm all about

667
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: reallocation of funds, but at the same time, we can't

668
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: get this idea in our head to say, hey, look,

669
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: let's take all the money away from them, because the

670
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: police are a vital source to communities. With that right now,

671
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: we're seeing Atlanta. I don't know if you guys have

672
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: been paying attention to the headlines, but after they prosecuted

673
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: that officer, a lot of officers that stopped showing up

674
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: to work, and so the mayor and some of the

675
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: other city officials they called for outside help to come

676
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: help Atlanta, and they're in all the outside agencies say hey,

677
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: we're not coming because officers are afraid to go to work.

678
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, if I do my job and something

679
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: bad happens, well now I know I'm not going to

680
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: have any backing. And so they they I think the

681
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: last time I checked, they head about a thousand calls holding.

682
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: So imagine you being a person that calls the police

683
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: because something is going on in your house and dispatch

684
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: tells you, hey, we're not coming to your house. We

685
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: don't have any offers to show up. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah,

686
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's crazy. I guess the question is who

687
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: wants to be a cop nowadays? You know what I mean? No,

688
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: I do because you're because you're the man that way.

689
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: But if you're coming in as someone who wants to

690
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, protect and serve, it's a scary proposition. I mean,

691
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: what does it look like right now as far as

692
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: even recruiting goes. I mean, well, Bishop Omar said it best,

693
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: just like he was called to do the work my job.

694
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: It's a calling. You got to be called to do this,

695
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: and so once you've identified that calling, now it's my

696
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: job to help you get in the doors and help

697
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: navigate you to be the best officer you can be

698
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: for our communities. And so that's why I see it

699
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: as opportunity you and I talked about earlier Kate, as

700
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: far as seeing this is the opportunity, being optimistic about it,

701
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: that's how I see it. And just you know, I

702
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: just wrote it. I read I wrote an article for this.

703
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: It was Police one and Lexi Poulies is two different sites.

704
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: I wrote an article talking about right why, right now

705
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: is the best time to become a police officer. So

706
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: there was another officer that wrote an article that said

707
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: this is the worst time to become a police officer

708
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: and if you're read it, you should leave, and then

709
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. So I wrote a contrary article

710
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: to that, basically saying, this is the best time because

711
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: you know, things are changing and we should be glad

712
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: about that. So why not be a part of the

713
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: change and figure out how we can redo things better

714
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: as opposed to complaining about it. So but again it

715
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: has to come with balance, Like in order for me

716
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: to go get some of the best qualified candidates, I

717
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: got to be able to go out there and say, hey,

718
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: look man, like I want you to go out there

719
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: put your life on the line. I want you to

720
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: go out there and handle every call for service. I

721
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: want you to go out there and do with mental health.

722
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: I want you to go out there and take people jail.

723
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: But at the same time, we're not going to compensate

724
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: you care some moments, I was thinking when you were

725
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: just asking about the funding allocation. You know, it's like this,

726
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: if you have right now, people don't buy albums, you know,

727
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: they buy singles. You know, they just download the single.

728
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, we get to the album later see the

729
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: single right now is police brutality. And so when we

730
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: when you when you're talking about funds and how you

731
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: do it, That's what I've been telling city officials and

732
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: others federal officials who I'm consulting helping, I'm saying to

733
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: them because that is a lot. There's a lot we

734
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: can say and a lot that we can do when

735
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: it comes down to justice and ballance and practice. But

736
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: you got to go. And it was someone told me

737
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: that one of my mentors, bust the story, said, oh, Mark,

738
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: you need to deal with the single. The single right

739
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: now is police brutality. So let's figure out how to

740
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: use the resources and the quality controls that we know

741
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: and that we can help implement to make that piece better.

742
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: And don't mean everything. You know, we're gonna get to

743
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the album because the album is good,

744
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: because redlining, that's all. But we won't deal with a

745
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: single right now, you know, and that is that this

746
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: is right. But in order I'm just saying in order

747
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: to in order to deal with that single, in order

748
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: to listen to that single and truly appreciate that single,

749
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: do you have to hear that single in the context

750
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: of the whole album, you know what I mean, Like

751
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: when we're talking about police brutality, we have to understand redlining,

752
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: We have to understand, you know, even why the police

753
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: was was was even created in the first place. You're right,

754
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: and that if you're trying to get an over you know,

755
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: we call it as we said, we overstand if you're

756
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: trying to ounderstand the idea and its complexity. But see

757
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: if you've lived it. Uh, there's a difference in me

758
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: being talked in theory about it and understand what the

759
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: practical applications of it are. So depending on what lands

760
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: you're coming from, I agree with you that those who

761
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: want to become part of an act of this community

762
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: or or really jump in, the more you know, the

763
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: better equip you off. But but but that, but you

764
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't be paralyzed by I have to learn it all

765
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: in order for me to have be effected. See, because

766
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: it'll stop because this is a journey. I tell people

767
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: all the time that peace is a process, it's not

768
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: an event. When they asked me, you know because I

769
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: did a crippling blood peace treat I said, that's that's

770
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: not you know that wouldn't. That wasn't the end. That

771
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: was then all games war is over. So the process

772
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: continues because you are ever on this learning journey. So

773
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful thing when you start saying, wait a minute,

774
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: this to And it's another thing too, Oliver, watch this.

775
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: When I learned that two times two is four, that

776
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: don't mean I disrespect two plus two. See, it's just

777
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about that. Yeah, So you just so

778
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: it begins to build from where you are, and that's

779
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. And it shouldn't cause you to be

780
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: at all contained in a box. You this and it's

781
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: true stuff. So that's why you really can't get to

782
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: healing until you examine the sickness as sterile as you can.

783
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: But at some point you have to say this requires

784
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: a certain triage and a certain a certain emergency application

785
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: so that we can get to some deeper levels. But

786
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: we do know that, and like like I said, I

787
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: have something called urban specialists. I've had urban specialists for

788
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: the last twelve years. Urban specialists we train ogs, we

789
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: do violence that we do a lot of stuff and

790
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: it's really powerful and it, to me, is the key

791
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: to unlocking these other doors in urban communities, especially as

792
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: it relates to generational poverty and out all kinds of

793
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: other stuff. So I do it. I have a ministry

794
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: that I believe in kingdom worship. But but again, at

795
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: some point I pulled away from my understanding of what

796
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing and try to overstand where people are, because

797
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: some people are passionate and so you got to become

798
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: henry now and said, you got to become immersed in

799
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: someone else's condition in order for you to actually give

800
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: them quality cash. So I become immersed in where they

801
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: are and try to lead them through ways that they

802
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: may not understand. Because if you walking through a land field,

803
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: that field, you know has land minds that were and

804
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: I know what the landmines are. My role is to say,

805
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure you don't get blown up,

806
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: and then I can teach you the strategy I how

807
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: to figure out. But the first goal is let me

808
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: get you out of this place so you won't destroy

809
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: yourself well and on that on that point you bring

810
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: up some Curtisi. I went to you our city hall

811
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: meeting last week, and at the city hall meeting, you

812
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: had a lot of young adults there. You know from

813
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: you know sixteen to twenty one, twenty two years old,

814
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: and they're there to basically boycott because this meeting was

815
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: to approve our police budget for the next year. And

816
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: so they were all there boycotting, you know, passionate about,

817
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, defund the police. One girl even said, hey,

818
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, first we're going to defund the police, and

819
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: then as we do that, we're going to talk about

820
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: abolishing them. And so here's the unique thing about the

821
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: whole thing, though, is that, you know, the people that

822
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: were coming up to speak, they were you know, some

823
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: were white, some were Hispanic, some were Asian, and as

824
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm at this meeting, you know, some of them are saying,

825
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the United States comes from deep,

826
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: really rooted history of you know, slavery, and you know,

827
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: we got to you know, it's evil stuff in the

828
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: United States and all this other stuff and Black Lives

829
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: Matter and all this other stuff. But here was what,

830
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: here's the whole irony of it. The irony of it

831
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: was there was only two people, two black people at

832
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: the meeting, me and Mike Lieutenant. So on one end,

833
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: these people are there talking about, you know, we need

834
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: to help the help the environment out, and you know,

835
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: black lives matter and this is that. But on the

836
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: same exact can they're basically talking about taking the food

837
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: off of the way for me to provide for my

838
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: own family off of the table because now you want

839
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: to not only take my job away, but abolish everything

840
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: I have. And so one of the things that you

841
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: right now that's kind of critical, Bishop Omar, is the

842
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: fact of I'm somebody that's lived it. I've had ex

843
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: girlfriends that couldn't tell their family who they were dating

844
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: because I was black. I've had an ex girlfriend whose

845
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: dad said you better not bring home any inward babies.

846
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: I've had, you know, I've walked in places and had

847
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: been followed around because I look suspicious. So I've lived

848
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: racial prejudiciness, you know, my entire life. And it was

849
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: funny because for a while I forgot about a lot

850
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: of it. It wasn't until the whole George Boyd thing

851
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: that I start remembering all these experiences that I've had

852
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: in my past, and I'm like, shoot, I forgot about

853
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: all that, and so I've lived it. But at the

854
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: same time, instead of getting caught up in where my

855
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: past does and where my history is, I've been so

856
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: preoccupied with the solution that I'm actually out there trying

857
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: to be the solution in my day to day work.

858
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: And so why everybody's at this word meeting talking about

859
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: the history and where we come from and all the

860
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: other stuff so they could understand it. I'm like, you

861
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: guys should have been If you guys were that passionate

862
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: about it, you guys should have been doing this for

863
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: years ago. And so I get it now, you know.

864
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: On the I like you said, K, I completely agree

865
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: the whole George Bloyd thing is forever going to alter

866
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: our history as a country for the positive. But at

867
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: the same time, we need to become fixated with the

868
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 1: solutions as opposed to just raise it. Like I really

869
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: believe that there are people out there right now that

870
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: are trying to push their own agenda on the hill

871
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: of black agenda, you know what I mean. They're trying

872
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: to use this this race, this whole black agenda, but

873
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: they're trying to use their own twush your own agenda

874
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: on the heels of that. And so I'm like, man,

875
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm so preoccupied with solutions. Like going to Bishop Omar's

876
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: thing on Wednesday, I'm like, man, let's let's get let's

877
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: get to it. Let's let's let's apply this as opposed

878
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: to it's talking about it. Yeah, it's interesting because the pendulum,

879
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: the pendulum seems to just be swinging all over the

880
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: place though right now, you know, I mean you have

881
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: the extremes of abolish the police, and then it swings

882
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: all the way over here, you know, I mean, at

883
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: some point we got to find the middle ground. I

884
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: think it's important though, because I do feel like that

885
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: there has been a shift in consciousness overall, there's a

886
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: global shift in consciousness. I guess the important thing, though,

887
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: is how do we keep this momentum. It's like what

888
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: you said, Once all the protests are gone and everyone

889
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: returns back to their lives, how does this movement sort

890
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: of keep pushing forward? And I guess my question is

891
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: how integral are white people in pushing this thing through?

892
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: And actually, you know, making sure that we are seeing change.

893
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: You are asking the right question. But the Founding Documents

894
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: of America, there's there's a there's a speech Frederick Douglas

895
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty two, and the speech is what is the

896
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: fourth of July to a slave? It's a beautiful speak.

897
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: It's a speech where he talks in rough terms. It's

898
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: a rough speech, like I said, this is when people

899
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: are today. I don't know who asked him to speak

900
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: at their fourth of July celebration, but they got five

901
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, the killing him brother, Yeah, I'm talking about

902
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: he killed him. He's saying what his further July to

903
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: a slave? And he goes into this whole idea about you.

904
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: He said, how how disrespectful is it to take me

905
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: into a place of freedom only to make sure that

906
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: I see it but can't taste it. You know. He

907
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: talks about a little girl who's ten year old, who

908
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: is walking in New Orleans and she's ripped from her mother.

909
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, he just going through these you know, he's like,

910
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: so what is it? But then he says, but I

911
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: don't come condemned it to him. I come to say

912
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: to you that the ideas that have been spoken of

913
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: by your fathers and your brothers in that document called

914
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: the Constitution, you must live up to them and purify.

915
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: Make this document live up to what it says it's

916
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be. That you don't. You don't, so how

917
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: important are white people? I just got my hair cut

918
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: because I was on this white podcast. We need it.

919
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: Ain't no doubt about it. We need you right now,

920
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean ten toes in because you are right, there

921
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: is a shift in consciousness right now. Man, this is

922
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: not what it was. So I know a lot of

923
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: people are no, it's not man, this is a shift.

924
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: And so we now have to say, now we need

925
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: y'all to help us make sure that every idea that's

926
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: spoken of lives up, lives up to its most pure,

927
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: pure moment, concentrated moment that we and we may not

928
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: get there, but we got to take this moment and

929
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: shift it forward so then we can at least say, well,

930
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: we move the needles somewhat. That's how you get that

931
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: pendlum and slow down and get and get out of

932
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: the face and the rhythm that we can go. Yeah,

933
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: And that's what I've been saying. That's what I say

934
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: when I have conversations with my friends. And I also

935
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: think it's extremely important for white people to all get

936
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: together themselves and have these conversations because there's a lot

937
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: of different opinions when it comes to you know, when

938
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: you get into the depth of your friends and you

939
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: really sort of sort of dig down a little bit

940
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, wow, you don't see that the same

941
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: way that I do. And let's have the discussion about it.

942
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: And I want to go back bishop to what you

943
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: were saying about the single right now, you know, police brutality,

944
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: and that when people do, like Oliver was saying, pick

945
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: a lane or but when you actually can focus in

946
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: on one thing, you really can, you know, infiltrate make

947
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: a big difference. And if the single right now is

948
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: police brutality, what's your what's your sort of way in there?

949
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: How are you going to sort of make that the

950
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: hit single on the album? Yeah? You know, Well, the

951
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: one thing is before we we identify the single, the

952
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: one thing that's very very important is we have to

953
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: identify what police brutality is. And the reason that's so

954
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: important is because I think we've been led to believe

955
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: that every video you see that's officers using force on

956
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: somebody is police brutality when it's not. You know, think

957
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: about the freedoms that we have, some of the freedoms

958
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: we have in the country, all the freedoms that we

959
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: have in the United States of America, we're not always

960
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: accomplished by a pretty means. And so in law enforcement.

961
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: There are situations I've shot my gun at somebody before

962
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: and for rightful reasons, and I'm not going to get

963
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: into the story of it, but it wasn't. I mean, anytime,

964
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: anytime you see any act of violence anything, it's not pretty.

965
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: But when we don't get the full context of a

966
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: video out there, we automatically assume, like, hey, that's police brutality.

967
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna turn it back over you Bishop over.

968
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: But I think it's important to identify what police brutality is.

969
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: And then once you identify what it is, then how

970
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: do we work to resolve that? Perier very good man.

971
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: I think that you know, we can be very specific

972
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: and thank you for that. Right. Uh, you can be

973
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: very specific, you know, George Floyd, you can be specific

974
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: on my library even though it was not police reality.

975
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: You can be specific now because we have some living

976
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: examples that have deadly consequences and his's debout life. Uh.

977
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: The way we the way I've said, the way we

978
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: do this for is police brutality in particular. It is

979
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: three things. One, we have to encourage a community style

980
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: policing avenue that it that will look different because it's

981
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen thousand different police operations, you know, locally,

982
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: so it's not it's not like one policing this police

983
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: agents all different, so it has to be tailor made

984
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: in a localized sense. But and like you said, this

985
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: is a marathon. But that's one thing. So you have

986
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: to open that quarterback up which will make us vulnerable.

987
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: That's gonna make folks because that means you're gonna have

988
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: to know. Ryan, Look, when I did this, and I

989
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: don't like to tell all these stories on this going.

990
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: So when we did this with the with the Crypton bloods, right,

991
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: I made I had all of the leaders of the

992
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: Crypton blood sit down with the sergeants and the and

993
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: the beach staff of the police at at a at

994
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: this gymnasium, and we and it was a real conversation,

995
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: and it was it was wrong, and it was it

996
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 1: was not made for TV. But it was good because

997
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: when you get this out, because I'm telling the police,

998
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: I need these guys for peace, and the police some

999
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: of the police were saying, well, these are the guys

1000
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: we want against and and and if we got to

1001
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: a mutual understanding where it was not really us, I

1002
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: guess it was a fee it was a fee, but

1003
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: most for the most part, everyone was trying to do right.

1004
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is that kind of community aspect

1005
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 1: of policing, so it's not as militarized. That's one something

1006
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: that's about the policing uh uh idea is we cannot

1007
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: as round was talking about, we have to de stress

1008
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: the police environment to where the police has to be

1009
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: a catch off for everything that's in our community. Is

1010
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: probably you can't do that, just it's irrational for them

1011
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: to be counselors and undertakers and and and you know

1012
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: everything that they have to be just so that they

1013
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: can uh perform to do. So we have to restructure

1014
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: what that looks like to do some training. But here's

1015
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 1: the here's here's the main thing. This is like COVID Corona.

1016
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: There's not a cure, but there is a commitment to

1017
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: be all in on the calls. Out of cure, but

1018
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: we are committed to be all in on the calls

1019
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: so that being flattens the curve. So that means people

1020
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: practice social distancing. Folks, to wash your hands. So me

1021
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: and Ryan, we like doctor Faluxon, you know, we're telling

1022
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: you that way get through this now, if we don't,

1023
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: some of us may die. But if we do this right,

1024
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: we can get through it. And at some point we

1025
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: will blunt the idea of a racialized environment being a

1026
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: normative and for brutality to be the first order of defense.

1027
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: And so but that but that is a you got

1028
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: to treat it like that, and that that becomes on

1029
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: your individual stuff like and and I can give you

1030
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: some examples of what it looks like with us and

1031
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: with you know, all kinds of ways. But the point

1032
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: in that's the kind of mentality that has to take

1033
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: over this, and then the actions will start fallingway as

1034
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: a natural course, and then we'll start seeing changes that's

1035
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: not systemic, like one person like in the black community.

1036
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: You hear this all the time, see men, the white folks.

1037
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: Me and the white man, see the white And I

1038
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: was like, do y'all know what these white folks is,

1039
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: because I we can stop the whole day. If you

1040
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: just showed me what the fifteen white people they're talking about,

1041
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: we can you know, you're so right, Richard war And

1042
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: you know, and I was going to say, the last

1043
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: point I'm thinking on that is, you know, we have

1044
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: to one of the things I've been criticized from doing

1045
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: from day one is we as officers have to be

1046
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: able to call out the ones that are doing the

1047
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: police brutality. So I've called out officers, you know, hey man,

1048
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: this was not proper policing and it should have been

1049
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: done this way. And like the moment George Floyd happened,

1050
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: I called it out right away. But that wasn't new

1051
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: for me. I don't know one police officer that tried

1052
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: to stand by and justify that guy's actually not one.

1053
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: So that right there is proof that we are moving

1054
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: in the right direction. But what was new for what

1055
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: was new for everybody else, was not new for me.

1056
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: And I've already been criticized for because I've actually come

1057
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: out publicly and i do videos on my Instagram. They're

1058
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: called Tulman takes where I break down police videos and

1059
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: I'll say either it was right or it was wrong.

1060
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: And that's another way in order to continue to move

1061
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: that pendulum forward is by having officers willing to come

1062
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: out and identify wrong when wrong is being done. And

1063
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: you haven't always seen that systematically in our professional What

1064
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: we're talking about is we're talking about what you would

1065
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: say in a workplace is your workplace environment? You know,

1066
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: when you know as a business, you know, when you're

1067
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: looking at your business and everything you wanted, your work culture,

1068
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: what does what does that feel like? What does that

1069
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: look like? And and one of the questions I don't

1070
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: I don't know this information. I'm just asking if you do, Ryan,

1071
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: is have you looked into the allocation of salaries? Have

1072
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: you looked at who gets paid what? Yeah? So, kind

1073
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: of going back to the Bishop, Omark's point is policing

1074
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: across the United States is vastly different, vastly like that's

1075
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: a problem, you know, because if I do policing one

1076
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: way here in California, but it's done completely opposite in

1077
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: New York. We're still painted with the same broad brush,

1078
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: and people are now attributing my mistakes of the same

1079
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: in the guy as New York. But it's vastly different.

1080
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: I will tell you that California we're light years ahead

1081
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: of a lot of the majority of the country and

1082
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: when it comes to policing in many ways. In fact,

1083
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: you'll talk to officers across the country and they're like, man,

1084
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: if you're a California call, we look at you guys

1085
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: as being tacticians because we train a lot more from

1086
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: a tactical standpoint as other departments. But their departments right

1087
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: now that you can go to and there's guys walking

1088
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: around their eighteen years old with a badge and a

1089
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: gun on their chest that haven't even gone to an

1090
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: academy yet because they don't even have the ability to

1091
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: send anybody to the academy yet because of funding and

1092
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: does all this other stuff. But yet they still have

1093
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: a need. And so but you come to California, you're

1094
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: not going to see that. So the reason I say

1095
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: that is because every department is so different. You know,

1096
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: you'll have some departments where it's super top every where.

1097
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: All the commanding officers make all this money, but the

1098
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: lowlan got aren't really making that much. You'll go to

1099
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: another department where it's pretty balanced. And so that's why

1100
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: I say, if we talk about reforming the police or

1101
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: reformation to the police, we got it. I believe we

1102
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: should have more of a systematic approach that's you know,

1103
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: federal why federally that says, hey, look, this is the

1104
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: standard that every officer should be at. You know what

1105
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean? And that you know, if you're an officer

1106
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: that doesn't like that, well, then you don't need to

1107
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: be in it, because we're talking about raising standards, which

1108
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: is good. And if you raise standards, Now, if a

1109
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: situation happens in timbuk To, Idaho, I know that that

1110
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: officer was trained very similar to me, and now we

1111
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: can all say yep, that was wrong, as opposed to well,

1112
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: what's this officer's level of training? Is it the same

1113
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: that we have here in California's advice Ryan, Ryan, you

1114
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: could also look at it as voting too, in terms

1115
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: of being very involved locally and how you vote. Without

1116
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: a doubt, it's very important to go down to your

1117
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: cities and find out who your mayor is, your city

1118
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: council members, and all that other stuff, because that was

1119
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: created so that you would have a voice. And me

1120
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: and Bishop Mobar knows this too, is like, that's why

1121
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of our ancestors, like Martin Luther

1122
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: King rose a park. That's why they fought so we

1123
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: can get voting rights. So why would they fight for

1124
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: us to get voting rights in some assets? Yet we

1125
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: don't utilize the rights that they fought for. So you know,

1126
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of do police tactics vary from department

1127
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: department across the United States, meaning like one department might

1128
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: see this as police brutality and another one just doesn't

1129
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: without a doubt. So I can tell you in California,

1130
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: you have the California Post, which is a police officer

1131
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: standardized training. Everybody in California, if you want to be

1132
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: an officer in California, you have to go through the

1133
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: POST standardized training. So at a level in California, we're

1134
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: already kind of doing that standardized training. But you go

1135
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: to the department of the department you're from some department,

1136
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: it's like my department, we're huge in training. That's all

1137
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: we do. And so you might go to the neighboring department,

1138
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: Well they might not train as much as us, And

1139
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: so you go across the United States, it's going to

1140
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: be vastly different. That's why, like anytime I go outside

1141
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: of I always look at it like this is like

1142
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: when I travel outside of the country as a police officer,

1143
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: they find out I'm a police officer in southern California,

1144
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: they look at me as playing Division one ball as

1145
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: opposed to playing Division three ball, because they're like, oh,

1146
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: we know how you guys trained tacticians. You guys, I

1147
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: mean Swatt developed out an LAPD. So they're like, oh man,

1148
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: you guys are differently. You let me ask you a question.

1149
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: Right when you're looking at statistics, then of California versus

1150
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: other parts of the country, is a track record better

1151
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: for California because there is better training? Does that actually

1152
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: reflect in the numbers? So without looking at the numbers,

1153
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: and I haven't, so I'm not going to sit here

1154
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: and act like I've looked at the numbers. But I

1155
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: can tell you though, you don't see as many incidents

1156
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: that we see on that are publicized that come from

1157
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: California as opposed to other places. Now, we've had our

1158
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: fair share, don't get me wrong, because it's still we're

1159
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: human beings that we have officers that shouldn't be officers.

1160
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: We had recently there was a LAPD breakdown that I

1161
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: did where the LAPD officer beat somebody up that he

1162
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't beat up, and I called it out. So you

1163
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: still that that's a human problem that we're trying to fix.

1164
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: But as far as when it comes to tactics, yeah,

1165
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: it's vastly different. I looked at the situation and at

1166
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: and from a tactical standpoint, I was like the tactics

1167
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: were off in that they should have. I mean, if

1168
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: this guy is, you know, supposedly driving drunk or you

1169
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: believe he's under the influence of alcohol, the first thing

1170
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: you don't want to do is let him get back

1171
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: in that car to go park it. You know what

1172
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, What you need to do is walk him

1173
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: to the side and somebody else go drive it, because

1174
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is put a

1175
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: intoxicated driver back in the in the car. But that's

1176
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: something we teach, we trained that. I can't say that's

1177
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: the same, you know what I mean, these guys that

1178
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: do dy investigations to put the guy in the front

1179
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: of their police car do the investigation. That's terrible tactics.

1180
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: But again, other people trained differently. We've known for a

1181
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: long time that there's been so much corruption inside of police,

1182
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: the police institution, and I think now more than ever,

1183
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: people are sort of it's like a call to action.

1184
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: But then you look at someone like Breonna Taylor and

1185
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about the differences of you know, you know

1186
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: state and again, I don't know this information. Maybe you

1187
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: can help me with this, But like, how are those

1188
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: guys walking right now? Is that because of their unit? Is? Like?

1189
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: How how are these guys not held responsible? Yeah, you know,

1190
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: let me let me hey, because you're hitting on something now.

1191
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: And I love Ryan, Yeah, I think y'all know that.

1192
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of my brother. But let me just

1193
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: tell you just talking about LA, you know, the reason

1194
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: LA has a robust training is because see we remember

1195
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: Rodney King. Yep, remember that that was in l A.

1196
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: The reason people that saw Paul is because it was

1197
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: these other officers who watched this man kill this brother.

1198
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: They watched him kill him. We we we feel like

1199
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: that because almad Aubrey for months, the police officers felt

1200
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: like it was no need in bringing up any charges

1201
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So so this so this kind

1202
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: of idea, this corruption idea is real. That that's that's

1203
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: not And like you said, and this is something about

1204
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: Breonna Taylor and anti Ana Jefferson that happened in Dallas

1205
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: and other people, you know, when they are sitting down

1206
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: playing video games and the police officer kills them or

1207
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: e n ice cream and you know, now, now here's

1208
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: here's the here's the problem. Now, let me so let

1209
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: me get to the for for me, Kate, what what

1210
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: that means. That is a marginalization of black lives that

1211
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: has been brought to bear in our systems, whether intentionally unintentionally,

1212
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: whether it was because there is no way any plausible

1213
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: humor would say that almad Aubrey, who was ran down

1214
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: and shot and killed someone, would not have said he

1215
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: got to go to These guys got the least, get tried.

1216
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: When you have someone like and this is not a

1217
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: police officer, but I'm talking about the idea, when you

1218
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: got somebody like George Zimmerman signing Skittles packages about Trey

1219
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: von Martin, you know, so so I brings and then

1220
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: just like Ryan, when I was working for the prison,

1221
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I was driving home and my two

1222
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: and three year old babies were in the car, and

1223
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: I had some tickets. I didn't paid a ticket. Police

1224
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: officers stopped me and this guy and my two and

1225
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: three year old are screaming in the back and come down.

1226
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: I got some tickets. I gotta pay. And this guy

1227
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: he has a cigarette. He blows a cigarette in my

1228
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: face and he says he going to jail tonight. And

1229
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: those babies back there. They going to the Child protect

1230
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: the service, and my kids screaming because they don't understand.

1231
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: They just see me getting out the car and I

1232
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: got in the car and the guy handcuffed me, and

1233
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: the way my kids were screaming, I remember, this is me.

1234
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: It's someone who understands the system. I said to that

1235
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,959
Speaker 1: police officer, I'm gonna kill you. Man. My mind left

1236
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: and he started laughing, how you gonna do that? Because

1237
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: I was handcuffed, And then when he pulled out my badge,

1238
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: he saw that I worked for the prisoner. He said,

1239
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: why an't you tell me he was one of us, man,

1240
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and then he let me. He

1241
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: put me back in the car and I never get

1242
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: driving home, and my brain had to my mind had

1243
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: to say that was him and that was not a them.

1244
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: But if you see too many of him, you start

1245
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: saying that's them. And when you start believing that that's them,

1246
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: we have this. The only way that they that them

1247
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: can get away with it is they have police community.

1248
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: They have you know, certain unions that kind of sweep

1249
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: it up. You got, you got your cold of solace.

1250
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: There's not that many Ryan Tillons I know he believes

1251
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: it is, but it's not. No, it's not that many

1252
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: brothers who gonna be bold enough to say, say, brother,

1253
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: this corrupt. So that's why it's important that protesters and

1254
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: whites and blacks and clergy and this keep the pressure

1255
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: on so that these systems can't hide under this veil.

1256
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: Because this is a veil, man, this is a veil

1257
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: that we all know. Yeah, and and listen to this

1258
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: last statement that you don't have to have been a

1259
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: part taker of the problem to be a part taker

1260
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: in a solution. You qualified. You qualified because you can, yep,

1261
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: exactly qualified to ask the question man. So let me

1262
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: get off of that. No, no, no, But it leads

1263
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: me to a question, actually, Ryan, like, how how real

1264
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: is that code of silence in the in these departments?

1265
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: I can only speak to my experience with my department,

1266
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: and you know I can't speak to anybody else at

1267
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: my department. I don't. And that's another thing. So you

1268
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: look at the like the bigger agency, like your LA PDS.

1269
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: You look at the rampart scandals and all that stuff.

1270
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: That stuff is real. Even La La County Sheriff's had

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Speaker 1: an underground ring of violence that they were, you know,

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Speaker 1: making inmates fight each other. That stuff is real. But

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Speaker 1: you look at an apartment like mine, where is from

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Speaker 1: top down that's not. The expectation is No, We're we're

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Speaker 1: gonna lead with community policing first. We're gonna like one

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Speaker 1: of our mo You're going to lead the citizen with

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Speaker 1: wild service. So you don't we don't necessarily experience I've

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01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 1: never experienced that code of silence unless people just don't

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Speaker 1: talk around me. But at the same time, I know

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Speaker 1: what the expectations of the person in charge are from

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Speaker 1: the chief on down. And if you do have somebody

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Speaker 1: that's not going along with that boat, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to work out our police department. I've seen that, and

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Speaker 1: so that's where I see the level of hope is

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01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: is that if my police department can operate, you know,

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Speaker 1: full steam and know that you don't have that Hey,

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01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 1: we're gonna put the customer first. We're going to deliver

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Speaker 1: that wild service. I know other police departments can do it,

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Speaker 1: But like a Bishop Omar said, is I also know

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Speaker 1: the reality is that not every police officer is like me.

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Speaker 1: I just yesterday and everything that we talked about, I

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Speaker 1: was training somebody yesterday and just yesterday we pulled somebody

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Speaker 1: over who's lady was in the front seat. She was

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Speaker 1: pregnant and almost you know, she said, the baby is

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Speaker 1: doing a couple of weeks. They had a child in

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Speaker 1: the backseat and the guy had didn't have a driver's license.

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Speaker 1: You have a lot of officers that wouldn't care, no

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Speaker 1: empathy at all, pulled them out probably you know, give

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Speaker 1: me a ticket, told the car, handcuffed and whatever it

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01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: may be. I said, hey, look, man, are you about

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01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: to have this baby right now? She said, no, Do

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Speaker 1: you have a value driver's icen? Yes, I do. This

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01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. I want you to hop

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01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: in the driver's seat, and my man, you're gonna hop

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01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: in the passenger seat. But I'll letting you know. Now

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01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: you need to go get that driver's license taken care of, oh,

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01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: and do it so that way you can legally drive

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: your lady to the firm where she needs to go.

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01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: So then I'll go back and show my trainee and

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, everything I talk about on my podcast,

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01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: everything I show, you're actually getting to see this is

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Speaker 1: what I this is. I lead the same exact way

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01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: in the field and so by infiltrating the system from within.

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01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: Not only are we talking about recruiting, but we're also

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: talking about training. Now, so you start getting these good

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: qualified candidates now training their athletice. Their train needs to

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Speaker 1: do the exact same thing. That's how you start this

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Speaker 1: systematic change from within by acknowledging it. Hey, look, you

1319
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: know you gotta leave with empathy, you gotta leave with

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Speaker 1: the respect, gott to leave with the love. But this

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01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: is how you actually do it, This is how you

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Speaker 1: apply it. So I know that there are police officers

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01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: that don't care and that would tell the car and

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Speaker 1: that would do this, and so my job is to

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Speaker 1: expose some of those guys too. Let me speak to

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Speaker 1: the other side. Now, I've talked about the bad officers,

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Speaker 1: but again, remember I always talk about balance, and I

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01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: think what makes me different is I can see the

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Speaker 1: lens from both sides. So part of my job, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give you guys an example. A couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: I went on a dying or drowning two year old

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01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: boy call one of the worst things ever. Kid gets out,

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01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: he gets in a pool and he nobody knows and

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: he basically we have to give him CPR and all

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Speaker 1: to find out that he passes away. Don't handle that call,

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01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: and now I got to go respond to the lady

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01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: who's calling because her next door neighbor's dog is barking

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01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: too loud. Or now I pull somebody over who is

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01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: driving without a license, not even realizing that, hey, I

1340
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: just came and just dealt with this trauma. And so

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Speaker 1: we talk about resources, we talk about defunding and reallocation.

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Speaker 1: You got to understand is like when you get pulled

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Speaker 1: over by that officer, your mind you're just thinking like, hey,

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01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: why are you treating me like a freaking complete a hole,

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01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: but not even realizing like, okay, well what actually ended

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01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: up happening. I've gone on calls, I kid you not

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01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: where a guy ran for me because he didn't want

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Speaker 1: to go back to jail and literally took his life

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Speaker 1: right in front of me, ran in front of a car,

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01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: got hit up, tipping the air, and they ran over

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: by another car and he was dead on impact. I've

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: got on a call where you got a five year

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01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: old kid that was outside plane got hit by a

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Speaker 1: car and now I'm out there seeing him tossing and

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Speaker 1: turning and stuff like that, and you know, with phone

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Speaker 1: coming as well, because he's about to take his last breath.

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Speaker 1: So those same officers are the same officers that are

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Speaker 1: out there that are supposed to go and handle the

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Speaker 1: counseling calls, that are supposed to go arrest the people

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Speaker 1: take him to jail. And so what I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: it's not an excuse. So I don't want you people

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Speaker 1: to think that I'm Yeah, we actually have a bet.

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Speaker 1: One of Oliver's best friends is a sheriff. We talk

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Speaker 1: about this. He talks about that a lot, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that the hard part is the challenge is, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how do we find the officer that's the intentions that

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Speaker 1: are hard are just in a bad place and they

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Speaker 1: don't need to be an officer as opposed to the

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Speaker 1: officer that's going through some trauma who needs to be

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Speaker 1: off the street because he's not going to be able

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Speaker 1: to best serve you when he pullshed you over, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of the departments, like my

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01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: department is on the forefront of that. We have this

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Speaker 1: thing called the peer Counseling Team. We have, you know,

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Speaker 1: anytime we have a traumatic event, whether you like it

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01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: or not, you're coming back to the department. You're not

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01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: going back into the field and they're going to be

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01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to whether you want to say

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: it or not. But not every single department is doing that,

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. So police reform is good.

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Speaker 1: I personally believe our police department is on the forefront

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Speaker 1: of doing a lot of these things. We talk about

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Speaker 1: mental health calls. Mental health is one of the biggest

1384
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: things blowing up right now. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you got officers out there that are ill equipped to

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Speaker 1: handle mental health calls. So what our department did is

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Speaker 1: we actually brought somebody from the Department I pay roll

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Speaker 1: unit and they are staged at our police department and

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Speaker 1: we work in partnership with each other on trying to

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Speaker 1: help people give them better resources. So let me ask

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Speaker 1: you a quol question. Then does it does it seem

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Speaker 1: counterintuitive then to sort of defund the police when we're

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: actually this is actually it's more about you know what

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01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: if we said, well, well, increase the funding of police

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Speaker 1: because we need better training, more training. You know, let's

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Speaker 1: take the militarized aspect of the police, meaning we don't

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Speaker 1: need seven thousand tanks, and we don't need our police

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01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: looking like they're like about to go to war, you know,

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Speaker 1: as far as just an aesthetic as far as the

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Speaker 1: optics go. But we actually need more funding so we

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01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: can have better training. So I and I've been saying

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Speaker 1: that from day one. I've been saying that from day one,

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Speaker 1: and again a lot of agencies out here on southern

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Speaker 1: California have already done that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, we can't say everybody else is,

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01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: but we all get the bad wrap on. So there

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: is a whole like like there's Aeh Walmart said earlier, like,

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01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: we got to identify certain problems. Right now, the problem

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01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: is police brutality. But when you start to unpeel that

1410
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: layer and in that onion, you start to see all

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01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: these deeper real issues. And the education I tell people,

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Speaker 1: one of the again, one of the top you know

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Speaker 1: I talk about that five list. One of the things

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Speaker 1: was go down to your local police department, get involved

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Speaker 1: in citizens academies, go on right along, learn about these people,

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Speaker 1: learn about the job. You know, I wear one of

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Speaker 1: those militarized uniforms, but if you learn about why I wear,

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01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: it's because the statistics and the science and the medical

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Speaker 1: staffs has shown is that when you wear that best

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01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: it's called an outer best, it actually removes a pressure,

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01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: takes a lot of the pressure off of your hips

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: where your gun belt is at, and that way it

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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: can give you a lot more endurance throughout your career

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: as opposed your back going out because one of the

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Speaker 1: leading causes of police early replice retirements is people's bat

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: going out. So you wear it because now it takes it,

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01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: it redistributes that weight on your on your body. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it looks militarized, but at the same time, that's why

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01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: we wear And so if you know that, it's like, okay,

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: that kind of makes a little bit of a sense.

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01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: So there's so much that goes into it, whether it

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01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: be education, you know, recognizing the wrong. I recognize the wrong.

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Speaker 1: I know we could do better, but you know, we've

1434
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: got to be able to have these conversations. As a

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: police officer, though, where do you where do you stand

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Speaker 1: on the defund the police? And by the way, I

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Speaker 1: think words matter and it's semantics this idea that defund

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: the police. I wish there was honestly a better way

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01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, it should be. It should be called

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: reallocate exactly what I said, the reallocation to defund it.

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: The connotation is so bad. We need you need provideative

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: words to get people to listen. And sometimes Bishop Omar,

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01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: I think it gets people to listen. And I think

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01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: saying defund the police has made more people look at

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01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: really even just how the police are funded. I mean

1446
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: the language. I had to look it up. I mean

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01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: I had to look it up and and and that's

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: the sad part is is, like I tell, people, with

1449
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: influence comes responsibility, and a lot of people don't take

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01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: that responsibility serious. So when we put stuff out like

1451
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: out there like that, you gotta explain most people are

1452
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: not going to go beyond Instagram and find out what

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01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: defund the police, which is why you do, which is

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01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: why you put it out there and you tell them

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01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: what it means. I'm just loving it, man, and Ryan,

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01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: you have brother friend and y'all going at it. Man. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying, like I'm very interested. I'm

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: about education right now. I say seventy percent of people

1459
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: or hashtaging defund the police don't really understand what that means,

1460
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: and they're thinking oh, abolish the police. I mean, I

1461
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: just feel like, as far as rhetoric goes, there's a

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: better way to sort of say it, you know what

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01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, I think that what you do. Let

1464
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: me show you something. I did a gang and adventure

1465
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: one time with the Aryan nation, right, these all Aryan Nazis,

1466
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: And I was sitting in there and they said, we

1467
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: hate black folks and we hate you know. He was

1468
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: just going. They was like, now, we don't hate you, sir,

1469
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: this is just what we're saying. I said, no problem,

1470
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: y'all go right aheare. What I realized was that some

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01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: people have to get all of that out so they

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: can get to the truth. So you need people to

1473
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 1: say some stuff that's wow, but they normally settle in

1474
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: on some true stuff, you know, Because end of the day,

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: I was like, do y'all want to get out of prison?

1476
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: Do y'all want to stay? Because I can you know,

1477
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: I can call, we can stop the meeting. Y'all just

1478
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: go ahead and try to figure out which one of

1479
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: these Latin kings you're gonna get killed by in this prison.

1480
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: But that's the point I'm making, is that that sometimes

1481
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: the rhetoric is provocative because it creates that that that

1482
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: kind of energy. Uh. But but but you cannot excuse

1483
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: the form for function. The functionality is what we want

1484
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: to get to. So even if the rhetoric is a

1485
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: little explosive, we have to be the ones that say,

1486
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, I tell people because you know,

1487
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: some folks saying in these black lives now, people need

1488
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: to stop there, and they do. I said, hold on, man,

1489
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: when someone when someone loses a child, I don't have

1490
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: the right to say, hey, don't cry that loud. You know,

1491
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: you guys kind of lie, you kind of get you know,

1492
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: you can't. So you're gonna have some those stuff like defunded.

1493
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's okay. I don't we shouldn't even

1494
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: be offended by And I understand what you're saying, right

1495
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: that people got to have a certain amount of responsibility.

1496
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: But I'm not offended by that. I'm not offended when

1497
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: they are saying, let's tad all down now. I'll be

1498
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: offended if we I'll be offended if that's where we stay.

1499
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,839
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter if that's where we start, because

1500
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: we can move from that and say that's not and

1501
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: that don't make sense. So let's get to some places

1502
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: where it makes sense that. But I understand people who

1503
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: have to get that out. You know, you know, Bishop,

1504
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: my my, my therapist always says in a relationship, you

1505
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: gotta only let one person go crazy in a moment,

1506
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: and you gotta let them. You gotta let them go,

1507
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: and then you gotta and then you got to try

1508
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: to understand. True. I mean, I mean, I don't know

1509
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: who your therapist is, but they are right, you do. Man,

1510
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: It's something got someone has to be the grown up.

1511
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: And that's what I do. And that's what I'm doing

1512
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: for you guys. Is like telling the police officers, I

1513
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: look like, let them do, let them do what they

1514
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: have to do, like it's okay. Yeah. I mean, look, man,

1515
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: you can't. This is an unprecedented time. I mean, no

1516
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: matter how sane and righteous and and all of that,

1517
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't look at George Floyd lose his

1518
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: life like that man and be the same. No, man,

1519
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: he can't be the same. So you have to let

1520
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: all of that happen. And that's gonna be some opportunities

1521
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 1: that we have to deal with. There's gonna be some

1522
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: folks who don't have enough credibility that we have to

1523
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: deal with. But that's okay. It's worth it to get

1524
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: this right, to get to get to get how we're

1525
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: gonna be in our future of policing. It's worth It's

1526
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: worth all of the misunderstanding. It's worth all of that

1527
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: because we it's too much at stake. This is a

1528
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: fabric of our whole. Humanity is at state. It's how

1529
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: you treat justice. Justice is too important to play with

1530
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: because when you lose justice, and you lose that live

1531
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: to see folks beyond where they are and can be aspirational,

1532
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: you lose a part of your humanity that if you

1533
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: lose it, it's hard to get back. Because I've seen

1534
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: people when that light is out the eye and it's

1535
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: very dangerous when we start saying it's a for real

1536
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: doggy dog world and yeah, I'm just have you go.

1537
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: We go like that. That will that that can harm you,

1538
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: that can that can put you in a box that

1539
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: it's hard to get out of. Ryan, have you experienced

1540
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: racism within your department meaning internally, well, I would say,

1541
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean you have implicit and explicit biases. I wouldn't

1542
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: call it racism. I would call it like their their

1543
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: ignorance or lack of being able to just relate to

1544
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: other people, you know what I mean, because of their upbringing,

1545
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: like for example, like I've never seen anybody blazing, and again,

1546
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 1: you're not gonna. I'd be crazy if I saw somebody

1547
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: that just call me an inn word or this was

1548
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: flat out racist to me. But what I do is

1549
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: that people don't know how to you know, relate to

1550
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: other people that grow up differently from them in the

1551
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: inner cities, you know, And it's more of an ignorance

1552
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: and it's more of also implicit and explicit biases that

1553
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: we talk about, which is for another conversation, talk about

1554
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: the systematic racism. I mean, you got to go back

1555
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: to black Faced days and all, when you know, making

1556
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: people black people are dressing up as black people and

1557
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 1: making them look like scary and stuff like that. But

1558
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff has been ingrained through the

1559
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: music we listen to, the movies we watch, the way

1560
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: we all perpetuate ourselves. That's why when I tell young

1561
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: black kids, I'm like, man, stop calling each other in word.

1562
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: Stop like I used to use it all the time,

1563
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: but stop doing that because now we're perpetuating a stereotype,

1564
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 1: and we're also doing something that goes in an opposition

1565
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: to what our ancestors fought. Again, so again I had

1566
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: that ability to relate to them. So to answer the question,

1567
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: have I seen blatant racism in my department? No? But

1568
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: do I see that there's officers that can't relate to

1569
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: other people that are from other cultures? Yeah? I see

1570
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: that for sure. So Bishop, what if the first single

1571
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: is police brutality, what are we coming with for the

1572
01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: second single to get along on? That's the ep Uh.

1573
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: That's my second thing, hocking brothers and sisters connection. Now, no, man,

1574
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you to tell y'all man. The second

1575
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: thing I think is UH citizenship. I think that's where

1576
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: the next layer of this flows up to what the

1577
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: citizenship look like in it's in its best form, because

1578
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,839
Speaker 1: right now, I think that's where we are in America,

1579
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: is that there's a citizenship issue that says there is

1580
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: a group of citizens in America who have been conditionally

1581
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: marginalized and it is taking the life out of this

1582
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: out of this system we call UH in this charged

1583
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: environment right now, that that that's in the culture, both

1584
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: politically and societally and it's and it's bad. So we

1585
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: would have to raise from saying this is the highlight

1586
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: to now let's let's see what that citizenship. So that

1587
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: means schools, that means uh, that means health, that means finance,

1588
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: that means opportunity, that means you know, citizenship is the

1589
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: next thing. And so you have to then walk out

1590
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: where you are needed in your citizenry. That so that

1591
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: truly means you're gonna have to have some personal conversations

1592
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: with people that you love, like you said, your friends,

1593
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to have some personal interactions with

1594
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: folks that you don't you may not understand. So we

1595
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: can say, how do we as citizens get along in

1596
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: this in this new America that's coming up, because it

1597
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: won't be like it was. I agree, you know, it's

1598
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: easier to repair. It's easier to I'm butchert is so

1599
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: bad right now, But it's easier to help children and

1600
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: the repair broken men or something like that. And that's

1601
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: where I think a lot of my time is spent

1602
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: with educating the kids and pouring into the kids. I'm

1603
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: gonna send you guys, I don't know, I'll get your

1604
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: contact information. But I'm gonna send you an email that

1605
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: I got that was so cool from a kid, a

1606
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: kid's mom actually, and Bishop Omart, you're gonna love this one, actually,

1607
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: but he from a gang family. Then I went and

1608
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: did one of a presentation, my presentations at a school,

1609
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: and last week she sent me an email just saying

1610
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: how she saw. I guess because I had a news

1611
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: story that aired last week and she saw. She didn't

1612
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: know how to get a hold of me, but she

1613
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: found out a hold of me for that news story,

1614
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: and she wanted to thank me because her son, you know,

1615
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: who comes from a deeply enrich gang family, now wants

1616
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: to be a police officer and be a part of

1617
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: the change as opposed to part of the problem. And

1618
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: so now mom, this is a black kid. Mom is

1619
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: taking her down to him down to the police station

1620
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: to become an explorer, to get involved in the Citizens Academy,

1621
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And so that right there was mine.

1622
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: That's why I do it. And that's the proof right here,

1623
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: is like I don't need everybody to become a police officer.

1624
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: All I want to do is to be able to

1625
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 1: have real, open, honest conversations and just talk about the

1626
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: human beings behind, you know, not just put the badge,

1627
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 1: but just human beings in general. I mean, that's why

1628
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: the four of us can have a conversation like this

1629
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: and not getting our feelings. I remember going to marriage

1630
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: counseling before we got married, and you know, being our

1631
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: counselor chain is, hey, look, you got to be able

1632
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: to agree to disagree on things. What's the intent? Like

1633
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: me and my wife, we've gotten a couple of arguments,

1634
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: but we'll ask each other sometimes. I'll ask is like,

1635
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: when I did whatever I did that made you mad,

1636
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: was my intent to make you mad? Or was my

1637
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: intent to really do good? But I just screwed up

1638
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: because I'm you know, I'm gonna screw up. And so

1639
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: when you really look at that, you start looking behind

1640
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: a person's intent, it really kind of starts to solve

1641
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 1: in your heart and say, look, they weren't trying to

1642
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: do that. And I tell that to the officers, like, look,

1643
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 1: why is this person strung out on drugs? You know,

1644
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to write them out. Oh this

1645
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 1: is just a tweaker. This is that? Like, well why?

1646
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: And so when you start as figuring out the why aspect,

1647
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: it soltens your heart and you start to realize the

1648
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: intent of a person's actions, and it makes you lead

1649
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot differently. And that's why I think I lead

1650
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: a lot differently as an officer, because I'm like, look,

1651
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: I always tell people I'm not here to judge you,

1652
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: like we all got a maker that's going to judge

1653
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: us one day. And don't mean I'm gonna stop you

1654
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: from taking a jail. But at the same time, I

1655
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 1: at least want to get to know you as a

1656
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: human being, because that's my job and obligation to you

1657
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: as a public survey of one and two as a

1658
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: followed Jesus Christ, Well and Ryan, you know, as a

1659
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 1: mother of three kids. I always say you lead by example.

1660
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 1: You know it's a cliche, but sometimes when things start

1661
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: to feel overcomplicated and you wish you could do so much,

1662
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: it's sometimes nice to remember that even if we're just

1663
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: leading by example, even if we just affect one person,

1664
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,919
Speaker 1: it it's it matters, and you're clearly leading by example.

1665
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: Soa Kate, You're you're totally right right quick. I just

1666
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 1: want to say that the quote is it's easier to

1667
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: build strong children than to repair broken men. Oh, that's

1668
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: why you're my sister. No, but I was going to say, Kate,

1669
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: it's like what it's like, I totally agree with that,

1670
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: because you know, you affect one life, you know, you

1671
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: create opportunity for one person. You know, there's an exponential

1672
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: sort of component to that, because you can change the

1673
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: sort of legacy in the history of an entire generation

1674
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: with just affecting one person, because because then then that

1675
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: spider's out right. Well, it's also if your intention is

1676
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: for the betterment of human kind, you're going to be

1677
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: walking the right path. I think the things that end

1678
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: up mattering and that end up actually changing is when

1679
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: we can all like what we're doing right now. Hopefully

1680
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 1: people are going to listen to this, but the reality

1681
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: is is we all just affected each other and that

1682
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 1: will inspire us to reach out and continue to do

1683
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: the good work. That's pretty presumptuous. I mean, I don't

1684
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: know if the bishop is I don't know if going

1685
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 1: to leave this podcast affected me. I'm a little upset

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01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,560
Speaker 1: that Oliver didn't say I look like y legend. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you know we we say, kay, we say

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01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: one of the things that we tell people is only

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01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: inspire people can't inspire people. That's of the phrases that

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01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: we say. So you're right, and you have to choose

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01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 1: an inspiration and live so fiercely in the moment that

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01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for that inspiration. That's you know, it's way

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01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 1: back to the first question, how did I know Ryan

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01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 1: was that type? Because I'm always living looking for it

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01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: because it's important to have it, and it is an

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01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: energy refill it. It kind of refills your your your

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01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: own source and your own strength. And then I pray

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01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, I'm always praying and I'm asking God,

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01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: what with all of my steps, let me make sure

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01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: I can hear because I want to hear it. And

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01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: it's in the way that I'm trying to say it,

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: not in the way I want to get. I want

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01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: I want to understand and really, like you said, I'll

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01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: have compassion. So these things are and it sounds simple,

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01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: but it's an active learning and an active you know

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01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: game in your mind and and it but it but

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01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: it really frees you. It'll free you up and and

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01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: you'll be surprised and then you'll say, man, I made

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01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: a couple of steps, but these it was a guy

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01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: Wilson good. He was the mayor of Philadelphia, and I did.

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Speaker 1: I was with him in his program. He did call Amachi,

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01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: who knows what God is going to do through this child?

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01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: This is why heal the word. Who knows what's gonna

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01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: happen from this one child. So so you know, you

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01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: just assumed that we go all in all the time,

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01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: and then you know these kinds of platforms they helpin

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01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: this kind of dialogue. It helps and you guys help

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01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: believe that this is important in the pan of how

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01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: we can figure this out because it's real. This is real, man.

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01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: You know, this is not no joke. This is real.

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01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 1: But we can be inspiring as we did with real things.

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Speaker 1: Before we go, I just want to ask what you

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01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: guys are going to be doing in Dallas. Can you

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01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: share what this big event is that you're doing. Thank you.

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01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: It's called Hill America. We bring in so many cultural influences,

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01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: business influences, ogs, regular folks. Just we're all coming together

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01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: to have a conversation about how do we purify these

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01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: ideas of citizenship and deal with race and humanity. Uh

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01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be you know, really talking about those

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01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 1: things from different lenses, but all of the same phase

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01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: that we got to get better and then we'll shift

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01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: into some solutions. So it's gonna be an inspirational deal too,

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01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 1: but it will it will have practical outcomes like the

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01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: police reform stuff will come out with and some more

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01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: practical solutions, but we're gonna really have an in depth

1736
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: look at it and it will inspire you folks. They

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01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: will leave saying, Okay, this is tough, but we can

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01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: do this. So they just go to Heal America Tour,

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01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: Heal americatour dot com, Heal America Tour dot com M

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01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: and then Ryan our a quick question matter or just

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01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,759
Speaker 1: to to end, just about law enforcement in general. Obviously

1742
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: we know you, obviously you believe in law enforcement. Why

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 1: why should we have faith in law enforcement? And what

1744
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: what does what does law enforcement need to do to

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01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: be better? Why? Why should we believe in it? Why

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01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: should we believe in it at this point? Why should

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01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: you believe it? Is because that email or the story

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01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: I just shared you with you right now is somebody

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01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: that at a young age, at fifteen years old, is

1750
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: already affected in saying he wants to be a part

1751
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: of the change I have. I can go off email

1752
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: after email after email. My chief of police actually called

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01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 1: me in his office and he told me, he said, Ryan,

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01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what's funny is every over the

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01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: last year and a half, almost every single application that

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01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: we get at this department and somebody saying that, Hey,

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01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: the only reason I want to come work at your

1758
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: department or this apartment is because I follow Ryan on

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01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: Instagram and I value everything that he stands by and

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01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: what his mission is to do. So that's just one place.

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01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: So you imagine if I can just change mindsets by

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01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: having platforms and different things like that, that those are

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01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 1: all the incoming people. So as we get rid of

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01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: the old people and we start getting this new generation

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01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: in these new way of thinking, this new mindset, that's

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01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: the hope. And the other part of that is we

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01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: need policing like we need like when my wife stays

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01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: at home with our three children, and the last thing

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01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: I would want is for somebody to come to our

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01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: house and victimize my wife and kids, and nobody be

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01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: able to be able to protect her. And so we

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01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 1: got it. Like I said, going back to that word balance,

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01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: We've got to find out what that balancing act is

1774
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: and what we're doing right now this is that balance.

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01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: This is that ability to be able to have an

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01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,679
Speaker 1: educated dialogue with one another, be able to either agree

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01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: on everything or agree to disagree on some topics, but

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01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: also be able to go out there and put the

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01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: work in with each other. You know what I mean.

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01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 1: So I don't see two extremes here. I see everybody

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01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: else being able to come together as human beings and

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01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: be able to just have a good, good dialogue with

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01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: each other and be able to go out there and

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01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,560
Speaker 1: do it. You know, Bishop Omar is handling on the

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01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, on the spiritual end, and with this, with

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01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 1: this congregation in his community, you guys got to put

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01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 1: your hope and knowing that there's guys like me that

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01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: are inside the profession that have the same aspirations as

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01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: you guys, And then you know, you and you and

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01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: you and Kate Oliver, you guys are doing some phenomenal

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01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: work just by utilizing your voice, by having me and

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01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: Bishop Omar on your guys platform in order to share this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't thank you guys enough. You know

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01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: that is lens you guys at heart and to your

1795
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: ability to realize and recognize that you guys have something

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01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: that can you know, ultimately be out for the better calls.

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01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: So I'm excited, you know, I feel like this is

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01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: a good friend. By the way, my wife wanted me

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01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: to let you know she loves your leggings. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: well you guys, this has been really amazing, so great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. Talk right. Sibling Revelry is

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Speaker 1: executive produced by Kate Hudson, Olira Hudson and Simsarna. Supervising

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01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: producer is Alison Presdent editor is Josh Wendish. Music by

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Speaker 1: Mark Hudson aka Uncle Man.