WEBVTT - Episode 2: “The Evidence of Things Not Seen”

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<v Speaker 1>Who is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is it? Who is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 3>In the summer of nineteen eighty nine, during those early

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<v Speaker 3>days after Dana Stidham went missing, a nineteen year old

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<v Speaker 3>woman from Bella Vista began receiving bizarre, sexually explicit calls.

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<v Speaker 3>According to a police report, she claimed they were made

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<v Speaker 3>by a man she suspected of being a former classmate

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<v Speaker 3>and her neighbor.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you just take me at ramdy to call? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know me?

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<v Speaker 4>Don't know me?

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<v Speaker 5>Then?

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<v Speaker 6>Why are you calling me?

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<v Speaker 1>An asking you this question?

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<v Speaker 3>She recognized the caller's voice because because the man quote

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<v Speaker 3>lived near her, and that after her father left for work,

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<v Speaker 3>within three or four minutes, the calls began, as if

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<v Speaker 3>the caller was watching her house.

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<v Speaker 7>Who is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you reading, Bud? What do you want?

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<v Speaker 4>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you calling me?

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<v Speaker 8>If you don't even know who I am?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know who I am? You don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>I am? Then why are you calling me?

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<v Speaker 3>The young woman had known the neighbor she suspected of

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<v Speaker 3>making the calls since the fourth grade, which was why

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<v Speaker 3>she immediately recognized his voice. The caller, who is hard

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<v Speaker 3>to understand in these actual recordings, from thirty plus years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>never identifies himself. Tired of being harassed, and since there

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<v Speaker 3>was nothing much law enforcement could really do, the woman

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<v Speaker 3>decided to take matters into her own hands and confront

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<v Speaker 3>the neighbor by knocking on his door. He invites her in,

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<v Speaker 3>and what she sees inside alarms her. On his bedroom wall,

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<v Speaker 3>her name had been spray painted in large letters, alongside

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<v Speaker 3>photographs of her cut from their school yearbooks.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I bet I'm not and I bet that you're

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<v Speaker 1>really sick.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember the calls came only when her father was not.

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<v Speaker 1>At home, Hello, Hello, is anybody there?

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<v Speaker 3>And then suddenly, after her visit to the neighbor's house,

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<v Speaker 3>the call stopped. She called the police and gave them

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<v Speaker 3>his name. Turned out he was already on the Benton

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<v Speaker 3>County Sheriff's Office list of suspects in connection with the

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<v Speaker 3>disappearance of Dana Stidham previously on Paper Ghosts.

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<v Speaker 2>I have nightmares about this. I have nightmares that she's

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<v Speaker 2>asking for help and I can't help her. That she

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<v Speaker 2>has been found after all these years, and she's alive,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know. I just want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens to her.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you get more from a community when they're divided,

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<v Speaker 5>because everybody wants their opinion heard and they want to

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<v Speaker 5>explain why they feel the way they do, and they

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<v Speaker 5>want somebody to listen and acknowledge that their opinion counts

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<v Speaker 5>on this.

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<v Speaker 9>They drive around it and they see some clothes on

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<v Speaker 9>the side of the road, maybe six feet off the road.

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<v Speaker 9>They get out look at it and they're like, hilarious, Like,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm pretty sure that's Danu's clothes.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is em William Phelps. I'm an investigative journalist

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<v Speaker 3>and author of more than forty true crime works. This

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<v Speaker 3>is season four paper Ghosts the Ozarks. On July twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 3>the morning after Dana's Didham vanished, Benton County Sheriff's Office

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<v Speaker 3>detective Mike sidoriac arrived at the scene of Dana's vehicle,

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<v Speaker 3>wearing a white and blue pinstriped button up shirt, jeans,

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<v Speaker 3>and Aviator sunglasses. Sidoriak was photographed kneeling by the driver's

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<v Speaker 3>side open door of Dana's car, a clipboard in one hand,

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<v Speaker 3>the other reaching inside the vehicle. Dana's car was all

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<v Speaker 3>the Benton County Sheriff's Office, which I'll refer to from

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<v Speaker 3>here as the BCSO had as far as a crime scene,

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<v Speaker 3>a crime scene, mind you, showing clear signs of staging,

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<v Speaker 3>as if someone had placed items in certain areas of

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<v Speaker 3>the car and also taken things.

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<v Speaker 10>My name is Nathan Smith.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm the prosketting attorney in the nineteen Judicial District West,

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<v Speaker 6>which is Benton County, Arkansas, and I oversee all the

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<v Speaker 6>felony prosecutions in Benton County, and our county has an

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<v Speaker 6>unsolved or cold case murder involving.

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<v Speaker 3>Dana stem Nathan Smith was first elected prosecuting Attorney for

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<v Speaker 3>Benton County, Arkansas in twenty fourteen, re elected in twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and again in twenty twenty two. He was seven years

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<v Speaker 3>old when Dana Stidham went missing, never once guessing her

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<v Speaker 3>case would drive him to ensure she was never forgotten.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the reason cold cases, once they've become cold,

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<v Speaker 6>if you will, tend to stay cold, is simply because

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<v Speaker 6>one they're going to be very difficult to solve. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>most cases are solved within the first several days, if not.

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<v Speaker 10>Immediately of knowing what happened.

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<v Speaker 6>Crime is committed Today, video cameras are ubiquitous on people's

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<v Speaker 6>homes and.

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<v Speaker 10>Gas stations everywhere.

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<v Speaker 6>We have DNA evidence, We have all these kinds of

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<v Speaker 6>sign hip mechanisms that have really been sort of relatively

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<v Speaker 6>late developing. The other real problem with cold cases is

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<v Speaker 6>that we don't live in a static environment. There are

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<v Speaker 6>going to be more crimes, more homicides, more things that

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<v Speaker 6>come in for police to work on that really will

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<v Speaker 6>take their focus off of cases where it seems like

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<v Speaker 6>they've hit a wall or hit a dead end.

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<v Speaker 3>So she leaves the store, do we know if there

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<v Speaker 3>was anyone that she met up with in the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 3>in the store, anything like that.

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<v Speaker 6>We believe that she did have a conversation with a

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<v Speaker 6>person in the parking lot before she left, and then

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<v Speaker 6>from there, really the evidentiary conclusions kind of diverge as

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<v Speaker 6>to what happened that There have been reports that she

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<v Speaker 6>was later seen on the side of the road, or

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<v Speaker 6>her vehicle was seen on the side of the road

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<v Speaker 6>with a man apparently changing a tire or something like that.

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<v Speaker 10>So it gets kind of spotty as to what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>That man Dana spoke to was a threat of inquiry

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<v Speaker 3>I decided to focus on early in my investigation, but

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<v Speaker 3>other questions kept nagging me. Had Dana been abducted right

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<v Speaker 3>away or did she go voluntarily with her abductor only

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<v Speaker 3>to have things go sideways leader that night. And if

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<v Speaker 3>she had gone willingly, could that mean she knew the

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<v Speaker 3>person or had she simply taken off all on her own.

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<v Speaker 10>Did anyone believe that she'd run away?

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<v Speaker 6>One of the things that the investigators did at the

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<v Speaker 6>time was to eliminate that possibility, because one of the

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<v Speaker 6>things you're always going to look at is you know

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<v Speaker 6>and you see it. Even with runaway children and things

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<v Speaker 6>where they have alerts go out for kids, they're trying

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<v Speaker 6>to figure out, Okay, did this kid run away from home?

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<v Speaker 6>Have they done this of their own own accord? But

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<v Speaker 6>there was simply nothing in Dana's life to indicate that

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<v Speaker 6>she would do that. Right everything would indicate she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>be doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>As the first full day after Dana's disappearance progressed, more

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<v Speaker 3>bad news came, leading anyone who was hopeful she had

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<v Speaker 3>taken off on her own to lean in a more

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<v Speaker 3>uncertain direction. Two additional pieces of Dana's clothing, confirmed to

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<v Speaker 3>be dirty laundry from inside her car, were found on

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<v Speaker 3>Wellington Road in a grassy area not far from a

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<v Speaker 3>porno magazine. What's more, the receipt from the purchases she

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<v Speaker 3>made that day at the Phillips grocery was discovered inside

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<v Speaker 3>Dana's car. Oddly enough, however, the groceries she bought would

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<v Speaker 3>never be found. In addition, belongings confirmed to be from

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<v Speaker 3>inside her purse were discovered scattered along the grass medium nearby,

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<v Speaker 3>but Dena's purse, a unique large denim bag, was not.

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<v Speaker 6>It does appear that that's certainly the theory that the

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<v Speaker 6>investigators operated on, that those items were thrown out of

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<v Speaker 6>a car window. And it was always perplexing why they

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<v Speaker 6>found her car on the side of the road with

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<v Speaker 6>the keys in the ignition, and so there's all kinds

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<v Speaker 6>of theories around that. Was it a kind of a

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<v Speaker 6>sabotage thing to make sure a car wouldn't run. Did

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<v Speaker 6>she have a legitimate reason that was just happenstance to

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<v Speaker 6>pull over, But it certainly seemed at the time, I

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<v Speaker 6>think obvious to investigators that her car just being abandoned

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<v Speaker 6>on the side of the road does seem to be

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<v Speaker 6>a pretty significant coincidence.

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<v Speaker 3>That same day, a local girl came forward to say

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<v Speaker 3>she saw a tan or cream colored small pickup with

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<v Speaker 3>a camper parked behind Dana's vehicle that morning. She was

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<v Speaker 3>certain a man had been kneeling near the back of

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<v Speaker 3>the car as if he was fixing a flat. She

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<v Speaker 3>could not describe the man, but said the truck was

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<v Speaker 3>beat up and appeared to be used on a farm

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<v Speaker 3>or in the woods. Prosecutor Nathan Smith brought up a

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<v Speaker 3>good point. Did someone sabotage Dana's vehicle so the car

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<v Speaker 3>would malfunction and break down at some point on our

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<v Speaker 3>way home? Remember there is a report of several people

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<v Speaker 3>seeing an older man talking to Dana in the parking

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the Phillips just after she walked out of

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<v Speaker 3>the store. I also wondered how aggressive investigators had been

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<v Speaker 3>with regard to questioning people who popped up on their radar?

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<v Speaker 11>Are there any suspects being questioned that might have had

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<v Speaker 11>something to do with this?

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<v Speaker 6>So, and I got to be careful here. I only

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<v Speaker 6>say what's been publicly reported. But there were several suspects

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<v Speaker 6>that officers looked at at the time, the folks that

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<v Speaker 6>you would expect, they looked at, a at a man

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<v Speaker 6>that was a I believe a classmate of hers or

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<v Speaker 6>someone who knew her from her town, So that was

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<v Speaker 6>at least one person. And one of the problems with

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<v Speaker 6>cold cases, and specifically with Dana's case, is that there

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<v Speaker 6>is some evidence right now that if you looked at

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<v Speaker 6>it in a vacuum, could tend to support theories one

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<v Speaker 6>way or the other. And so as this case goes forward,

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<v Speaker 6>it's really important to narrow down who the evidence really

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<v Speaker 6>points to.

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<v Speaker 3>But the suspects in Dana's case weren't the only ones

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<v Speaker 3>the BCSO were looking at, because Dana's wasn't the only

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<v Speaker 3>disappearance in the area. The ugly reality law enforcement could

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<v Speaker 3>not ignore was that within a fifty mile radius of

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<v Speaker 3>where Dana was last seen, no fewer than five additional

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<v Speaker 3>young women had either gone missing or their bodies had

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<v Speaker 3>been discovered over a period of five years leading up

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<v Speaker 3>to Dana's disappearance, which led to the troubling notion that

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<v Speaker 3>a potential serial killer was roaming through Benton County and

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<v Speaker 3>the Ozarks, plucking young women off the streets at will

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<v Speaker 3>and running under every single law enforcement radar available. When

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<v Speaker 3>a small community like Benton County is rocked to its

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<v Speaker 3>core by the disappearance of a popular, well liked young

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<v Speaker 3>woman on a summer afternoon in broad daylight. They banned

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<v Speaker 3>together to help an eight x ten flier. A paper

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<v Speaker 3>ghost was mass produced and tacked to telephone poles in

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<v Speaker 3>supermarket windows, convenience stores and gas stations. A five thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars reward was offered for any information leading to Dana.

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<v Speaker 3>A canine search dog was then brought up to Ealing

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<v Speaker 3>Circle off Wellington Road, where Dana's brother, Larry Stidham, had

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<v Speaker 3>found some of his sister's clothing the night she was

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<v Speaker 3>reported missing, just a half mile from where Dana's car

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<v Speaker 3>had been located. By now, hope for the Stidham family

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<v Speaker 3>was waning, and that despair would only increase after a

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<v Speaker 3>pet dog trotting along the grass on the side of

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<v Speaker 3>Route seventy one found something. Here's Hunter portray, a current

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<v Speaker 3>lieutenant with the BCSO who you heard in the last episode.

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<v Speaker 9>I think maybe a week and a half later, further north,

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<v Speaker 9>there's a dog that brings up like a wallet and

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<v Speaker 9>it has Dana's ID in it. So at that point

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<v Speaker 9>in time, you know, it went from bad to worse

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<v Speaker 9>to now. It's like Okay, we think we're pretty sure

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<v Speaker 9>foul play because it was her id. There were some

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<v Speaker 9>contraceptives that were found.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciated Lieutenant trace sincerity, compassion, and eagerness to see

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<v Speaker 3>Dani's case resolved. A cold case needs someone in law

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement fighting for it, or the case will sit in

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<v Speaker 3>an eminence room and collect frost.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 9>Generally, with the passage of time, it doesn't get any easier.

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<v Speaker 9>A lot of times the detectives investigators that work those

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<v Speaker 9>cases are either retired, a lot of times they are deceased,

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<v Speaker 9>and you can't go back and speak to them directly,

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<v Speaker 9>so you have to look through the case file. So

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<v Speaker 9>the best way to do it, the best way that

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<v Speaker 9>I found is go back and start from square zero

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<v Speaker 9>and basically look through everything with the fresh set of

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<v Speaker 9>eyes and just kind of kind of get your own

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<v Speaker 9>gauge and opinion of the case itself. Look for things

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<v Speaker 9>that may have been missed, things that you can do,

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<v Speaker 9>people that may have been interviewed that need to be

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<v Speaker 9>interviewed again, people that you think weren't interviewed need to

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<v Speaker 9>be interviewed.

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<v Speaker 3>Advancements in DNA over the past ten years, Lieutenant Portray

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<v Speaker 3>noted had been both the cause of great celebration and

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<v Speaker 3>also disappointment.

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<v Speaker 9>The OJ trial that kind of brought it to everybody's spotlight,

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<v Speaker 9>and that was what early nineties. So in the twenty

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<v Speaker 9>thirty years since that DNA technology has increased dramatically. Like

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<v Speaker 9>just last year, we saw three of our cold case

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<v Speaker 9>John Doe. Two of them were John Doe's and one

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<v Speaker 9>was a Jain Doe, and we had no idea who

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<v Speaker 9>they were, and we were able to through DNA and

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<v Speaker 9>genetic genealogy figure out who those people were. So now

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<v Speaker 9>we have leads to try to close those cases out victimology,

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<v Speaker 9>you know who they associated with. Prior to that, they

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<v Speaker 9>were just John Doe's and Jane Doe's and you had

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<v Speaker 9>no idea who they were, and you can't start anywhere

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<v Speaker 9>until you know who they are.

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<v Speaker 11>And we know that probably eighty percent of murders is

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<v Speaker 11>someone you know in your circle.

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<v Speaker 9>That seems to be the consensus at least the homicide

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<v Speaker 9>that I've worked on. Very few random stranger homicides. Now

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<v Speaker 9>they do happen, but statistically speaking, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 9>somebody that they're associated with, and not necessarily close family

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<v Speaker 9>or whatever, but somebody that they're somewhat associated with. Whether

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<v Speaker 9>it's an acquaintance, someone they ran into, somebody they bumped

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<v Speaker 9>into at the store, or knew from another friend slightly

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<v Speaker 9>but didn't really know personally, but generally it's somebody that

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<v Speaker 9>they affiliated with or associated with at some.

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<v Speaker 7>Point in time.

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<v Speaker 3>As I dug deeper into the victimology side, several things

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<v Speaker 3>about Dana's circle of friends bothered me more than usual.

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<v Speaker 3>You see, I generally develop a sense, or rather thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>and theories as I begin working on a cold case, knowing,

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<v Speaker 3>of course they will shape and change and perhaps point

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<v Speaker 3>me in a new direction as I move forward. But

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<v Speaker 3>here I started talking to sources on and off the record.

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<v Speaker 3>I could not shake a feeling that there was an

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<v Speaker 3>important piece of this puzzle missing, something either few were

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<v Speaker 3>willing to talk about, those close to Dana were in

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<v Speaker 3>denial about where they just didn't know. And something Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 3>Petree said to me pushed me further down this road.

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<v Speaker 9>This is the day that Dana went missing, around five pm.

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<v Speaker 9>There's a lady who's driving on three forty, which is

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<v Speaker 9>the highway basically right there at Town Center. She says

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<v Speaker 9>that there's a car that comes into her lane. She

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<v Speaker 9>has to swerve to miss it. There's a mail driving,

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<v Speaker 9>there's a female passenger, and there looks like there's another

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<v Speaker 9>person in the backseat. At that point in time, she

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<v Speaker 9>doesn't really think anything about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I obtained the transcript of the interview police conducted with

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<v Speaker 3>this woman. She was twenty four years old then and

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<v Speaker 3>lived in Bella Vista. On July twenty fifth, between five

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<v Speaker 3>and six pm, she drove up to the Missouri state

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<v Speaker 3>line to buy gas. On her way back into Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 3>not too far from the town center where Phillips Grocery is,

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<v Speaker 3>a vehicle swerved into her lane. Quote it looked like

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<v Speaker 3>Dana's car. The guy driving had dark hair. He was

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<v Speaker 3>a big dude, likely in his twenties. The girl sitting

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<v Speaker 3>next to him had long, dark hair. The source explained

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<v Speaker 3>to police that the girl she believed to be Dana,

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<v Speaker 3>had perhaps grabbed the wheel and purposely swerved the car

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<v Speaker 3>into her lane. The next morning, July twenty sixth, as

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<v Speaker 3>she was driving toward Wellington Road, she saw Dana's car

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<v Speaker 3>parked on Route seventy one, heading south, where it was

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<v Speaker 3>eventually found. She noticed the driver's side window was rolled down.

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<v Speaker 3>She then drove up Wellington to a friend's house. By

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<v Speaker 3>six thirty am that same morning, she was on her

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<v Speaker 3>way back down Wellington, sitting at a stoplight facing Route

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<v Speaker 3>seventy one in front of her, when she saw a

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<v Speaker 3>Ford courier truck, as she described it, parked behind Dana's

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<v Speaker 3>car with a shell or camper on the back, and

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<v Speaker 3>there was that same large man again from the previous night,

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<v Speaker 3>the one driving Dana's car, standing behind it. She assumed

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<v Speaker 3>he was getting ready to change the tire of Dana's car.

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<v Speaker 3>Woul Dana's case being the top story on all the

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<v Speaker 3>local news stations throughout those early days. This would not

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<v Speaker 3>be the only report from a random person claiming to

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<v Speaker 3>have seen Dana on the day she went missing, or

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<v Speaker 3>even later on into the evening.

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<v Speaker 11>What I'm getting from you is that her car is

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<v Speaker 11>seen kind of all over seventy one that.

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<v Speaker 9>Day, couple of different places, all relatively around that Phillips area,

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<v Speaker 9>but one person saying that they saw it south in

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<v Speaker 9>the north boundle line, and then obviously later on we

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<v Speaker 9>know that it was found in the southbound lane north

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<v Speaker 9>of the town center. So those are things that complicated

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<v Speaker 9>the case. You got three people saying they all saw

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<v Speaker 9>it at the same location. You got three people saying

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<v Speaker 9>they saw it, but different locations, different set of circumstances,

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<v Speaker 9>just not conducive to getting it solved right away.

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<v Speaker 3>It bothered me at so many different people, a list

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<v Speaker 3>which would continue to grow as I developed. Additional sources

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<v Speaker 3>claimed to have seen Dana at different locations around Bella

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<v Speaker 3>Vista and even as far away as Gravit, the time

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<v Speaker 3>where she grew up and had lived most of her life.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's one of Dana's cousins, Dwight Stidham, who spoke to

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<v Speaker 3>police a day after Dana went missing about what he

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<v Speaker 3>had seen, but has never spoken to anyone else about

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<v Speaker 3>this since. Tell me what you remember about Dana growing up.

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<v Speaker 8>She just well, behaved well and always doing stuff for

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<v Speaker 8>her parents, and especially for Laurence because he had as righters,

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<v Speaker 8>real bad and that's what finally got him at the end.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, she was always there for him.

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<v Speaker 3>And Dwight, several years older than Dana, is referring to

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<v Speaker 3>Dana's father, Lawrence. Dwight saw Dana a lot growing up.

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<v Speaker 3>He also knew the town of Gravit and the people

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<v Speaker 3>within dana circle of friends. In and out of town

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<v Speaker 3>fairly well. And not all of them were as straight

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<v Speaker 3>lace as Dana has been described.

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<v Speaker 8>They was a little bit on the wild side in

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<v Speaker 8>what ways, in the drinking and the drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>When you say drugs, what kind of drugs are you

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<v Speaker 3>talking about?

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<v Speaker 8>When we talk about drugs around here, it's just your

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<v Speaker 8>basic drugs, marijuana, speed, just different kinds of peals.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when goes missing. Do you remember that time?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me how it starts for you.

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<v Speaker 7>What you remember.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, at that time, we was living up from grab It.

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<v Speaker 8>We had a little dairy bar up her. It had

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<v Speaker 8>pool tables and some arcade games in it, and I'd

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<v Speaker 8>go up there on the weekends and play pool. And

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<v Speaker 8>it was probably around six seven o'clock. It wasn't dark

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<v Speaker 8>or anything. It was still good daylight and sunny and everything.

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<v Speaker 8>And me and my nephew we was going up her

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<v Speaker 8>to play the games, playpool and stuff. And before you

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<v Speaker 8>get to the little dairy bar, I pulled up to

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<v Speaker 8>the four ways stop and she had pulled up across

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<v Speaker 8>the street from me, facing me, and she had a

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<v Speaker 8>girl in the car with her, But I didn't recognize

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<v Speaker 8>who the girl was or anything. But you know, she

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<v Speaker 8>just she waved at me and everything, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 8>think nothing about it. As far as I know, Me

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<v Speaker 8>and my nephew was probably the last two in the

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<v Speaker 8>family that had seen her.

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<v Speaker 3>And she didn't look distressed, she didn't look in trouble.

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<v Speaker 8>No, she had a big old smile on her face,

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<v Speaker 8>just wayed real big and you know, did we just

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<v Speaker 8>crossed past her at the four ways stop and it

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<v Speaker 8>just seemed normal to me.

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<v Speaker 3>So between six and seven pm on the night Dana

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<v Speaker 3>went missing, she was out and about with a friend,

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<v Speaker 3>driving around the town where she grew up in smiling,

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<v Speaker 3>having a good time. That kind of nixes the theory

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<v Speaker 3>that someone at the Phillips sabotaged her tire, or followed

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<v Speaker 3>her or abducted her that afternoon in the parking lot.

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<v Speaker 3>This information pointed in the direction of somebody Dana knew.

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<v Speaker 9>Another thing that hindered this case, and it's nothing that

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<v Speaker 9>the investigators did wrong. It's a product of the time

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<v Speaker 9>that it happened. Eighty nine, nobody had cell phones really,

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<v Speaker 9>so today and age, cell phones are tremendous for law

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<v Speaker 9>enforcement as far as tracking people we know based off

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 9>a GPS they went here there nineteen eighty nine, we

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<v Speaker 9>didn't have that. Also, you know, surveillance cameras, security cameras,

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<v Speaker 9>it existed, but not for most people. So Phillips Grocery,

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<v Speaker 9>no video surveillance, there's nothing. So those two things kind

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<v Speaker 9>of complicated the case as well, because you don't have

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<v Speaker 9>video of her driving by a certain location. You don't

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<v Speaker 9>have GPS location of hey, she placed a phone call here.

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<v Speaker 3>Even more alarming is the timeline the BCSO developed for

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<v Speaker 3>when Dana's car could have made it to the location

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<v Speaker 3>where it was found on Route seventy one.

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<v Speaker 9>There's a sergeant who was our sheriff here for a

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<v Speaker 9>while after, but he worked for the state police. He

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<v Speaker 9>actually around eleven thirty that night, turns up Wellington to

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<v Speaker 9>serve a warrant, takes care of his business, comes back

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<v Speaker 9>down Willington would have been facing the car in states

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<v Speaker 9>that the vehicle was not there at that point in time,

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<v Speaker 9>So you kind of have to take that for what

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<v Speaker 9>it's worth, and like it's staring you in the face.

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<v Speaker 9>So right, Larry didn't see it, the family didn't see it.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, you got a state trooper.

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<v Speaker 3>Dana's car was parked on that pull off on the

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<v Speaker 3>side of Route seventy one between eleven thirty pm and

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<v Speaker 3>five am, and the two sources bookending those times are

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<v Speaker 3>both law enforcement. Now you take that fact and add

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<v Speaker 3>it to a name the BCSO received early into its inquiries,

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<v Speaker 3>and the investigation broadens. Mike McMillan, a classmate who allegedly

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<v Speaker 3>had a crush on Dana, was seen driving around Bella

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<v Speaker 3>Vista between those same hours. Mike was a year older

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<v Speaker 3>than Dana. He was preparing to head out to San

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<v Speaker 3>Diego for Navy basic training in two weeks. Mike was

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<v Speaker 3>a tall, large young man with dark hair. Mike McMillan

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<v Speaker 3>was one person law enforcement was laser focused on at

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<v Speaker 3>this time. Mike was questioned by police on July twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty nine. In the investigator's notes from that interview,

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<v Speaker 3>Mike said he was driving his father's truck in Bella

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<v Speaker 3>Vista at eleven thirty PM to a friend's house in

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<v Speaker 3>a border town. He claimed to have stayed there until

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<v Speaker 3>two thirty or three before driving to another friend's house,

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 3>leaving there by four am. He had seen Dana a

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<v Speaker 3>few days before she went missing. He had actually stopped

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<v Speaker 3>at her apartment before that, he had not seen her

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<v Speaker 3>for two months. Here's Dana's cousin, Christy Smith once again.

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<v Speaker 7>Mike McMillan.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he in high school with y'all?

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<v Speaker 11>Yes?

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 12>He was?

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<v Speaker 3>And what kind of guy was he in high school?

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<v Speaker 2>Mike was a good guy, very friendly, just seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be like all the other boys in school.

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<v Speaker 9>He liked Dana obviously.

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<v Speaker 12>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 5>He did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Never It never seemed like it went, you know, too

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<v Speaker 2>far or beyond what she was willing, you know, to

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 2>have with him. They were friends for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>We all rode the school bus together. I never noticed

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 2>anything odd about the way he felt about her.

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 3>And there was someone else in Dana's life. I needed

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 3>to find out more about her ex boyfriend and her

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:45.439
<v Speaker 3>former boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 11>Was he looked into right away?

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<v Speaker 12>I believe they interviewed him and possibly his brother early on.

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<v Speaker 12>He said he called in sick to work that day

0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 12>was his alibi. But I I do believe he got

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<v Speaker 12>a lawyer fairly early on.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the voice of Brandon Howard, an investigative journalist

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 3>from Benton County who has done more reporting on this

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 3>case than perhaps anyone I met. Brandon through a detective

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 3>I've known quite a while that ex boyfriend, Brandon Mentions,

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.919
<v Speaker 3>who was a good friend of Mike McMillan's, was brought

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 3>in and interviewed within a week of Dana's disappearance. He'd

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<v Speaker 3>met her in nineteen eighty eight at a local mall.

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<v Speaker 3>The breakup in April nineteen eighty nine was contentious.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, they had talked to some people, her boyfriend

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 9>that she had just broken up with. There were some

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 9>issues there, number one, because it ended on bad terms.

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 9>There was also an issue with a motorcycle title. From

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 9>what I understand, his parents had put up some money

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 9>for engagement rings. They were supposed to get married. Dana

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 9>was supposedly pregnant. Found out that she wasn't pregnant. That

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 9>caused a big riff. They ended up breaking up, tried

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 9>to get back the motorcycle title. The family didn't want

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 9>to give it back until he paid a certain amount

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 9>of money. So all this stuff's going on. So, yeah,

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 9>he was a person of interest. But there are people

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 9>that saw him that day, that night that he was

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 9>at a certain house. He was here, he was there.

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 9>He was on a motorcycle two which would have made

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 9>it really difficult to do.

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 3>After digging into Dana's ex boyfriend's alibi, reviewing all the

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 3>reports and relevant polygraphs, conducting several interviews with people about him,

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 3>the ex boyfriend didn't seem to be too high on

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.959
<v Speaker 3>the list of people who might have had something to

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 3>do with her disappearance. I couldn't exclude him completely, but

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 3>I was confident I would be able to. Yet, even

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 3>with the ex boyfriend moved from the top of my

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 3>list of potential suspects and what now appears to be

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 3>a serious crime, the pool of people who had motive

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 3>and opportunity in Dana's disappearance was about to grow exponentially.

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 3>When a person is missing for more than three months,

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 3>they fall under a classification called long term missing person.

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Danastdam had been missing about six weeks, half that time

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 3>when investigators dug their heels in and focused on those

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 3>who could have either helped Dana take off or were

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 3>responsible for her disappearance. By now, sadly, most everyone involved

0:30:56.000 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 3>believed that Dana's Didam was no longer alive. With Brandon

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Howard's help, my focus shifted towards several people. Remember that

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Phillips employee. Well, he lived just off Wellington Road. So

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 3>there's this older guy from Phillips, and many of whom

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 3>I spoke to who knew him and work there, they

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.479
<v Speaker 3>call him a perver. Right now, some of Dana's clothing

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 3>had been found close to his house, right like literally

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 3>blocks away.

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, maybe the first street or so away from

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>his street.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 3>So tell me about this guy. I mean, you sent

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 3>me the transcript of the interview they did with him.

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 3>You've studied at read through. What are your thoughts on

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 3>this guy.

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>He's probably most troublesome because you can actually put him

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>in the store in the day of Dana's disappearance, so

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>you can put him with Dana right before she disappeared.

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Now do we know if he is the quote old

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 3>guy that she's seen talking to in the parking lot,

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 3>because according to his interview, he says.

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think there's ever been any definitive answer

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>as to who that person.

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:16.719
<v Speaker 3>Was Bcso Lieutenant Hunter Portray confirmed this, and he's also

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 3>fired from Phillips on July twenty seven, which is two

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 3>days after she goes missing. Right, yes, very alarming and

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 3>not to forget. At this time, investigators have no idea

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 3>what happened to Dana? She is still missing. Her status

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 3>is about to change in a remarkable, sad way. But

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 3>at this time in the investigation, there are more suspects

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 3>than possible answers. And so now why was he fired?

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess it was a culmination of sexual harassment complaints

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>that had been launched against Une. I don't know if

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>there was a specific one in the lead up to

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>July of nineteen eighty nine, but I think something must

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>have tipped the scales because it sounded like he had

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>somewhat of a sort of reputation among the female employees.

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 3>And then we come to a proclivity he has for magazines, right,

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 3>they start to get into that in the interview.

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess that since he was a receiving clerk and

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>took in maybe not just groceries, but items that would

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 1>be sold in the grocery store, like toys, trinkets, magazines,

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>he was receiving some X rated magazines or buying something

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>in the store from the people that would drop them off.

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>And it became somewhat alarming when they found a dirty

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>magazine with some of Venus clothing. So now you have

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a suspect that worked at the store with Danna, had

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>an issue with female employees and sexual harassment, and also,

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like you said, out of proclivity for dirty magazines, right.

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 3>And as you say, they found one of those magazines

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 3>with her clothing.

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's pretty alarming that there's a magazine with

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 1>her clothing. There's a guy that likes these magazines and

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.399
<v Speaker 1>that same person lives within throwing distance of where those

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>clothing and magazine are found and works at the store

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>with Dana and was at least at the store that

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>they for sure know where Dana was lifting.

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 3>On the other part of this interview is they ask

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 3>him what type of vehicle you drive and what does

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 3>he say? He says, I drive a Toyota pick up

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 3>with a camper. Yes, the guys shift that Phillips ended

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 3>at about the same time Dana would have been on

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 3>her way out, And we know that these types of

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 3>mis in person cases are statistically crimes of opportunity. Until

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 3>the BCSO can confirm or discredit his alibi that he

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 3>was at home with his wife, he remains a primary

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 3>person of interest. Even though they have numerous reports of

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 3>people seeing Dana later on that day and in to

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 3>the early evening. I asked Brandon what he thought about

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 3>those phone calls which you heard at the top of

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 3>the episode, the sexually explicit calls made to a young

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 3>Bella Vista woman by a neighbor she knew from high school?

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 3>Were they significant? Were they even related to Dana's case?

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 3>What about the name of the caller she gave the police.

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I would argue she has the best opinion for that.

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she grew up with him. I think at

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>least went to high school with him, and he was

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>her neighbor. I would think she'd know his boys.

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Brandon gave me the name of the caller, which I

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 3>am choosing not to reveal. I can say, however, he

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 3>was looked at by law enforcement. Now a question I

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 3>had for you, and that I'm unsure of, is I'm

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 3>curious whether she makes the accusations against the caller as

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 3>being before he is a public suspect in Dana's case.

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I would say confidently than it's not a public suspect

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>until at least nineteen ninety six.

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 3>To add more confusion to the case, two weeks after

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Dana went missing, a sixteen year old girl contacted the

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 3>BCSO with an incredible story. I communicated with her and

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 3>asked if she wanted to tell her own story on

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 3>the podcast, but she doesn't want her name or voice used.

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 3>The police report and subsequent interview the BCSO did with

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 3>her in nineteen eighty nine, however, is beyond revealing.

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 9>There was a female that made a statement that Dana

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 9>had been seen at Blowing Springs Park.

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 3>This girl says she was at the park in Bella

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Vista on July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, with two

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 3>guys in their twenties. She had driven herself there. It's

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 3>around nine pm. She is sitting on a picnic table

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 3>when another thirty something dude from just across the Missouri

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 3>state line named Orville Mitch Goodwin, whom she was somewhat

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 3>familiar with, pulls into the park in his green pickup

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 3>with a camper on the back. The two guys she

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 3>met at the park walk up to Goodwin's vehicle, she follows.

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 3>She tells police that when she looks into the cab

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 3>of the truck, Dana is sitting next to Goodwin. The

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 3>insinuation is that Dana, because she worked at the Phillips

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 3>knew Goodwin because he was routinely showing up at the

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 3>store picking up garbage for a guy he worked with.

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 3>He also hung around another guy who worked for Ozark Beverage,

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 3>which did business at the store.

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 9>Now, from what we know, miss said that he didn't

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 9>know Dana from talking with her family friends. They didn't

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 9>know Mitch. Mitch was older. It's not somebody that would

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 9>have been on the outside looking in would have been

0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 9>in her circle of friends.

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 3>They questioned the teenage witness intensely about minor details. She

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 3>seemed to answer each question very clearly. She claims Goodwin

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:14.720
<v Speaker 3>pulled in from Route seventy one and parked for about

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes with Dana by his side. She was asked,

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 3>quote any doubt in your mind that the girl that

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 3>was in the passenger seat at that time was Dana Stidham.

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Her answer one hundred percent positive than this. She says

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Goodwin left at about nine point thirty with Dana and

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 3>returned an hour and fifteen minutes later without Dana. Not

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 3>long after she reports this to police, she claims Orville

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:51.439
<v Speaker 3>Mitch Goodwin starts calling her, threatening to kill her if

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 3>she mentions anything to police about what she saw. The

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 3>phone call threat she says carried on for two years.

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 9>Could he have done it, Yes, But you also have

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 9>to kind of look at the credibility of your witness

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:10.560
<v Speaker 9>that's given the statement. And you know, people say they

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 9>see aliens all the time, and maybe they do. Maybe

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 9>I don't know. I don't want to get into that,

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 9>but you have to kind of take it with a

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 9>grain of salt, like, Okay, this person supposedly saw Dana

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 9>in this in this truck with Mitch Goodwin, but nobody

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.359
<v Speaker 9>else can corroborate that. There are other people that were

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 9>at the park that can't corroborate it.

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.120
<v Speaker 3>In the years after he is accused of having been

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 3>involved with Dana's disappearance, Orville Mitch Goodwin pleads guilty to

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 3>first degree attempted murder and is sentenced to twelve years

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 3>in prison. The crime, Goodwin shot a woman named and

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Net rapidly in the face and left it for dead

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 3>in a Bella Vista Creek bed near the Missouri border.

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 3>If not for a man on horseback riding by who

0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 3>saw in that bloodied and laying on the ground, she

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 3>would died there. He was interviewed, right.

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, he was interviewed, and again didn't know who she was, and.

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.240
<v Speaker 3>He had an alibi, I believe.

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 9>Possibly now there is a person who claims that the

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 9>guy that was in the van or the guy that

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:21.879
<v Speaker 9>was parked on the side of the road that saw

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 9>Dana outside with these two guys, thinks that the person

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 9>had red hair and thinks that it matches the description

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 9>of Mitch Goodwin. So again, just something else to complicate

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 9>the case. You know, hey, we've got three or four suspects,

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 9>why not add another fifth suspect.

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 11>You know, people don't make the best witnesses.

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 9>No, but you know, people are adamant in their own

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:54.439
<v Speaker 9>mind that hey, I heard a gunshot at eleven oh two,

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 9>and I called my friend and let them know about it,

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 9>and there one hundred percent positive And then you get

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 9>the phone records and it's like nine o'clock. But they're

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 9>sitting there telling you like it's one hundred percent truth

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 9>that it was eleven o'clock. But you have physical proof

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.919
<v Speaker 9>that nor your time is off. So people, I don't

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 9>think intentionally always do that, sure, but a lot of

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 9>times their mind plays tricks on them and they think

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 9>that it's a certain time where they think that they

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 9>saw a red shirt, and then you find the person

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 9>in it's a blue shirt.

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 3>That's why forensics is so important.

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 9>Correct, That's why physical evidence and that's why prosecutors like

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 9>that to try cases. You know, you're when you're talking

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 9>about circumstantial which is in this case, we have a

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 9>lot of circumstantial evidence that's hard to take to court,

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 9>and that's hard to get a jury to convict somebody.

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 3>The plethora of circumstantial evidence that BCSO had on several

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 3>persons of interest was about to get a huge boost

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 3>from physical evidence as September nineteen eighty nine came around.

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:04.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm calling him Stephen, which is not his real name,

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>and I'll get to why he asked me to change

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 3>his name in a minute. On September sixteenth, nineteen eighty nine,

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Stephen had some free time on his hands, so he

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 3>decided to go out and scout locations where he and

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 3>his buddy could go hunting and maybe even do a

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 3>little hunting himself. That day, it was early afternoon, Stephen

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 3>wound up on Beal Lane Circle, a dead end in

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Bella Vista so close to the Missouri state line you

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 3>could probably hit it with a football throw. Stephen parked,

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 3>got out of his truck and started walking through the woods.

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.760
<v Speaker 7>I was supposed to meet some people, so I stopped

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 7>there and did a little score hunting and walked around

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 7>a elemit instead. And as I was walking out, I

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 7>saw in a dry creek bed and saw a skull

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 7>and some rib bones. So next morning I called the

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 7>police and took him down there, and they said, oh,

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 7>I'm sure it's just a bear skull or a deer sculls,

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<v Speaker 7>I know, the difference to human skull and the bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Where exactly was this?

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<v Speaker 7>It was right behind actually from where I stood, like

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<v Speaker 7>in the fall. I'm sure in the summer you couldn't

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<v Speaker 7>see it, but in the fall you could see up

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<v Speaker 7>to a liquor store that was just over the state

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<v Speaker 7>line there. It was on the east side of Ela Vista.

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<v Speaker 3>And what did you think when you first saw that skull?

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<v Speaker 3>What went through you?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 7>I wasn't sure. I mean because it's kind of pretty

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<v Speaker 7>close to Peer Ridge Battlefield, So I thought maybe it

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<v Speaker 7>was an old skull or whatever. I could tell. It's

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<v Speaker 7>fairly small. It wasn't a big person. But that's what

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<v Speaker 7>I told them there too, you know, when they said

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<v Speaker 7>it was a deer skull, said, no, No, it's a

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<v Speaker 7>human skull, fairly small.

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<v Speaker 3>And were you familiar with the case of Dana Stidham

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<v Speaker 3>that was in the news.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I had never never heard of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you called the next morning. What made you

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<v Speaker 3>wait a day or half a day or whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, like I was supposed to meet somebody, we were

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<v Speaker 7>going to doub hunting, met them and they said, well

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<v Speaker 7>maybe I said, well, you know, it's not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 7>In hindsight, yes, I should have immediately called them, but

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<v Speaker 7>you know, like I said, I didn't. I didn't think

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<v Speaker 7>it was afresh. You know, if that w ever saw

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<v Speaker 7>you know, any kind of flesh or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 7>I definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>Would tell me it. Describe exactly what you saw.

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<v Speaker 7>Just there was skull and some bird roe and rib

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<v Speaker 7>boons in a dry creek bed. Really all I saw

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<v Speaker 7>it initially.

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<v Speaker 3>And was it together, the body together.

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<v Speaker 7>It was, you know, scattered over probably fifteen or twenty feet.

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<v Speaker 7>She was buried in a shallow grave of an animals

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<v Speaker 7>got to heed.

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<v Speaker 3>And you didn't see any of her clothes or anything

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 7>When I took him back the next day and we're

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<v Speaker 7>showing him around. Actually, the cop that I was following

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<v Speaker 7>him after it kind of showed him more the boones.

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<v Speaker 7>When we were walking back, he actually stepped on a

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<v Speaker 7>piece of skin that had some duct tape, and I

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<v Speaker 7>think there was some clothing there too. Really yeah, and

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<v Speaker 7>I planted. He I just stepped on.

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<v Speaker 3>Some So he steps on a piece of so the

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<v Speaker 3>duct tape was taped to clothing and then that had

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<v Speaker 3>skin on it.

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<v Speaker 7>I believe, so that it was all kind of stuck together.

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<v Speaker 3>This man who stumbled across Danastidam's body is talking about

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<v Speaker 3>an area of Bella Vista, about five point five miles

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<v Speaker 3>a ten minute ride from the Phillips Grocery and that

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<v Speaker 3>Route seventy one area where Dana's car was found. It

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<v Speaker 3>was an undeveloped Could de Sac far off the beaten path.

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<v Speaker 3>The creek bed is about one hundred and seventy feet

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<v Speaker 3>from the Cold de Sac. Only four tenths of a

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<v Speaker 3>mile northeast from where Dana Stidam's body was found. In

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<v Speaker 3>these woods is the Ozark Beverage Company, where Orville Mitch

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<v Speaker 3>Goodwin had just told the BCSO a friend of his

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<v Speaker 3>worked and he had visited on numerous occasions. The reason

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<v Speaker 3>why the man I am calling Stephen didn't want his

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<v Speaker 3>name used.

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<v Speaker 7>Because I had somebody's driving up sitting in front of

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<v Speaker 7>my house in a truck, and after three or four times,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I stuck out the back and stuck up

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<v Speaker 7>the truck in my shot and they took off, and.

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<v Speaker 3>This person. Do you think it was a copper?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sure the killer?

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<v Speaker 3>Next time on paper ghosts, I'm thinking they're lying like hell,

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<v Speaker 3>because my little girl wasn't dick.

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<v Speaker 4>Something's not right here. Something in my mind told me

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<v Speaker 4>that this guy is fixing to kill this girl. But

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<v Speaker 4>he never moved because there was his arms folded, his

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<v Speaker 4>smirky smile on her to dance him, and I, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>my god, this is some kind of a murder.

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<v Speaker 12>They find what appear to be several hairs I think

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<v Speaker 12>maybe some blood spots in the car, and then they realized,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, other items of her remains. They went back

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<v Speaker 12>and tossed those and left.

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<v Speaker 13>But I would think that you have to be somewhat

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<v Speaker 13>strong or able body to carry a person down into

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<v Speaker 13>that area of the woods and know about it. I

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<v Speaker 13>don't think that anyone just stumbled across that spot.

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