WEBVTT - Call It Short & Sweet: WTF Just Happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,

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<v Speaker 1>an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Call It crew, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to another episode of Short, Short and sweetet. This one

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<v Speaker 2>is a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a recap.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a recap because we had plans for an episode

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<v Speaker 2>that we were going to do for Short and Sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Teresa Capoudo happened. Happened to us, Yes, happened

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<v Speaker 2>to us. Yes, we got Teresa Caputo, We got Caputo.

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<v Speaker 2>And you guys, if you have not listened to that

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<v Speaker 2>episode yet, please get to listen to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to immediately necessary listening.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so wild, and I text Jessica and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't just leave that episode hanging because there's so

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<v Speaker 2>much more to discuss, and so we scratched our plan

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<v Speaker 2>for Short and Sweet. And we've made this a recap

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<v Speaker 2>of Monday's episode so we can dive in a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>recap what happened, the feelings after, the discoveries after and

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<v Speaker 2>all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I would actually love to take this opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you, dear listener, if you have not listened

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<v Speaker 1>to the Teresa Caputo episode, you need to press pause.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be here when you get back, and go straight

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<v Speaker 1>to that episode. It is a million times worth. Listen

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<v Speaker 1>and give me so many, so many chills, so many tears,

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<v Speaker 1>so many yeah, so many tears. So yes, So please

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<v Speaker 1>trust that does and go back to that. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you did already, then stay a while and let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I so I think that we need to start with

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<v Speaker 2>a little backstory, okay, and I'm going to be really

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<v Speaker 2>real because we've got to call it what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye When I was talking to Jazz, I really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>Teresa on and I've been a fan just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously like has seen a medium before, she's had that experience.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom passed away a very very very long time ago,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like, oh my god, twenty one years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a long time. I've never seen a medium.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I said was I really want her on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. It's spooky season. What I don't want, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is a reading. I thought it would just be too

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<v Speaker 2>more very clear. I was very clear. I was very adamant.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't want that, and so Jessica,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, supportive, best friend, love her. She was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I support you. We went to iHeart and we told them,

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<v Speaker 2>please let Teresa know that this is this because she

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<v Speaker 2>does different types of interviews. This isn't a reading. This

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<v Speaker 2>is an interview about her gifts, right, And they were like, great, awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>she would love to talk about that of course, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, offer you guys are reading anytime that you

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<v Speaker 2>guys really wanted reading.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had a million questions. We were very clear

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that it did not this, So did

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<v Speaker 1>not hinge on a reading. We didn't need the reading.

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<v Speaker 1>We were absolutely going to have a very phenomenal episode

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<v Speaker 1>without any readings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and if you listen to it, and then okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so you listened to it. I went and talked to

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people. People were so excited. I had

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<v Speaker 2>cast on set of grays being like, please ask this,

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<v Speaker 2>please ask that we anyway halfway through, Teresa did say

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<v Speaker 2>that she was getting energy from me. That was cautious,

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<v Speaker 2>which was true. Now she didn't you know, Jessica and

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<v Speaker 2>I have had these private conversations about how I feel

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<v Speaker 2>it felt going into it, and Jessica, you have had

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<v Speaker 2>this experience before, so you were open, which she was

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<v Speaker 2>able to sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that she said that, and I explained, this

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<v Speaker 2>is my first time seeing, you know, talking to a medium,

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<v Speaker 2>because she said, you know, she had started the interview

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<v Speaker 2>by saying she had gone into this part of the

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<v Speaker 2>interview saying, you know some people it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>intimidating to me with the medium. And I said, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is my first time. And then she said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if anything comes through, I'll let you know. And the

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<v Speaker 2>truth is in that moment, I was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>You became open.

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<v Speaker 2>I became open in that moment because I kind of no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I was, Yes, I fell open in that moment. I

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<v Speaker 2>was not expecting the next thing to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no one was. No one was.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I what I love about Jess is well, Jess,

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<v Speaker 2>you can talk about this part too, is that we talked.

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<v Speaker 1>We call you.

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<v Speaker 2>You called me after and you were like I was

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like, you know, very protective.

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<v Speaker 1>Over I did. I had a moment when it when it,

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<v Speaker 1>when it got real, I think that I would say

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<v Speaker 1>the close. I thought about this a lot since it,

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<v Speaker 1>since it happened. I felt almost like I was in

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<v Speaker 1>a trance, like there was a trance like quality to

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<v Speaker 1>the session. If you will, like, yes, I and we

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<v Speaker 1>know I like to talk. I had no words, Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I felt sort of I felt speechless. I

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<v Speaker 1>also felt like but beyond speechless. There were not words

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<v Speaker 1>or thoughts coming into my head. And when when she

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<v Speaker 1>got to the part where I realized what was happening

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<v Speaker 1>and she was that your mom was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a very like fire or flight moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know what showing up for you as

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<v Speaker 2>a friend looked like in that moment, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>had to take my next best guess because something really

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<v Speaker 2>powerful was happening. And there was a version where I was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the tried and true best friend that did

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing by stopping her and saying, like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not what she wants. She said, she doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>this and we're not doing this, and then there.

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<v Speaker 1>Was this higher vibration power energy I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what that was, steering me towards let this go. Trust

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<v Speaker 1>in her, know that and she's she's got this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right here if things go sideways, but like, she's

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<v Speaker 1>got this, and so I then became sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a viewer. I mean, I was there, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of observing.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you talked about the energy because Jessica

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<v Speaker 2>and I, you know us, we can talk and I

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<v Speaker 2>and we had a laundry list of questions, and halfway

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<v Speaker 2>through the interview, I felt exactly like Jessica felt. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked to, you know, our producers who also were listening in,

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<v Speaker 2>and they we all felt like this different thing happening

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<v Speaker 2>that has not happened on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, say what it was. Let's talk about what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm talking about just the energy, Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know what that energy was.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the moment that you felt the energy take over?

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<v Speaker 1>And what was the moment that you felt connected to

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<v Speaker 1>what she was saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So so it's very hard. I'm gonna be very real.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard thinking that you might have a medium

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<v Speaker 2>read to you when you know that you are a

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<v Speaker 2>public figure figure right because you are like, they can

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<v Speaker 2>google anything about you. So going into this, I had

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<v Speaker 2>said to my husband, there's one thing you cannot for

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<v Speaker 2>sure google about me, and that's that the last night

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<v Speaker 2>I saw my mom. This is an intimate memory, but

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<v Speaker 2>the last night that I saw my mom, she took

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<v Speaker 2>the ring off her finger and she put it on

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<v Speaker 2>my finger and she said goodbye, and that's the last

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<v Speaker 2>time I saw her. Well, I lost that ring maybe

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<v Speaker 2>three years later in Los Angeles and just called the

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<v Speaker 2>place I had lost it at, like was looking for it,

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<v Speaker 2>could not find it. Still think about it to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe I'll just show up randomly. I'll be in

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere coffee shop, and I'll just be there, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said to Matt, if that story gets brought up,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not something that you can look at on my

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram page or anywhere or any interview I've ever talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it, I'll know that it's that's real. So she

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<v Speaker 2>started by saying, you know, you have a mother energy

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<v Speaker 2>coming through, and I was like, okay, well, you know

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<v Speaker 2>I was leaning in, but I was also like, you

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<v Speaker 2>could possibly google this right, like this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>you could know. And then she said two things are

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<v Speaker 2>coming through. She said, you have a piece of her

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<v Speaker 2>jewelry and you're looking for something of hers. And that

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<v Speaker 2>is when the air left my body. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>felt almost like finked a little bit because that was

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<v Speaker 2>the second thing that she brought up. And that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh boy, like this is something's happening here.

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<v Speaker 2>But like Jessica said, the energy felt palpable, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not even in the same room as her.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all on zoom.

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<v Speaker 1>We had been very clear that we weren't doing readings,

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<v Speaker 1>so she was talking about what she does. But then

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<v Speaker 1>she was talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, then it was just happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just happening. It was happening. It was you

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<v Speaker 1>got kapudoed.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons why I wanted to do the

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<v Speaker 2>recap is she said, she's talked about a tree.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, there's a tree like you. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>She's showed me trees. Do you leg trees? Is your husband?

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<v Speaker 2>She joked about mapping a landscaper or was there a

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<v Speaker 2>tree in someone's memory? And I was like, nope, never

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a tree in mind what you're talking In.

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<v Speaker 1>The moment, you were like new new no.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was still I have to say that I

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<v Speaker 2>was like just trying. I was super aware of not

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<v Speaker 2>trying to lean in something that I wasn't sure, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, like be like, oh, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to search for the tiny thing that is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a tree or what. Anyway, my point is is that

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't ring true to me. Is something Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>get off the podcast and my little brother staying with me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wait, Joey, didn't Dad plant a

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<v Speaker 2>tree in our backyard in memory of Mom, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not a very Ludington thing to do, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>like that does not We're not like tree planting in

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<v Speaker 2>memory family vibes. And Joey was like yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>remembered that we had this apple tree and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just not planting people at all. We're not gardeners,

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<v Speaker 2>like that thing should have died. That thing grew into

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<v Speaker 2>this beautiful, big apple tree, and I had completely fucking

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten about that. And I'm like, damn the tree. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and onl and even towards the end of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>She's like the tree. Anybody the tree? And so I

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<v Speaker 2>want to recap with you guys. The tree was. It

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<v Speaker 2>was something that and I even said like, please let

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<v Speaker 2>Theresa know the tree is a real thing. Then she

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<v Speaker 2>brought up the number seventeen and I was like, nip, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't ring about another I ever heard of that number.

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<v Speaker 1>Skip it when county totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I have I met, I mean, Jessica and

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<v Speaker 2>I have talked about this too, and I'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it on the pod. It's really hard for me because

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I don't want to feel like I'm looking for

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that she's talking about. I want it to

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<v Speaker 2>feel obvious to me, in the same way that the

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<v Speaker 2>ring felt obvious. But when I talked to my sister,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd always thought that my sister was sixteen. My memory

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<v Speaker 2>was like she was sixteen when my mom passed. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>she had had just had her seventeenth birthday, so seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of significance. In fact, she just celebrated

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<v Speaker 2>a birthday thing that weekend that my mom passed, So

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<v Speaker 2>there is that. Also. When I got off the pod,

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason, I just thought to myself, the date

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<v Speaker 2>my mom passed, what are those numbers added together.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've never ever thought of that before, And they

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<v Speaker 2>came out to seventeen. And then my daughter was born

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen, So again, all of these things could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone what about the part with your daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>So she talked about my daughter and she asked, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's some like resemblance there. Well, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>she has so much of my mom's kid personality in

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<v Speaker 2>her because I know my mom. My mom would tell

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<v Speaker 2>me stories about her as a kid, and they just

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<v Speaker 2>are very similar. She's very different to me. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she referenced that she was being shown her own grandchild

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<v Speaker 2>who was like two when Hayden was about one and

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<v Speaker 2>a half. She because she talked about having seen my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what she said? Like sort of like yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that Hayden had seen my mom. Hayden would

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<v Speaker 2>do this thing and I even took videos of it

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<v Speaker 2>where she would almost act like someone was playing hide

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<v Speaker 2>and seek with her. She would be very cools like

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<v Speaker 2>this and she would look up and something would make

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<v Speaker 2>her giggle. And it happened enough times that I was

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<v Speaker 2>one time just took out my camera. I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is mom, Like she's she's fully interacting with something. So

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<v Speaker 2>she was right on the money there and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel something to my head and like a gunshot.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when I was like, oh, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>this all?

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<v Speaker 2>This is all bullshit? You know what this is? So

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<v Speaker 2>me and just were like, no, this doesn't mean anything

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<v Speaker 2>to us. We were I was like, this is this

0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.360
<v Speaker 2>that to me in that moment. For that one second,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, she's so far off now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if any of it's true, And she.

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<v Speaker 1>Said she kept going though she was sure about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Who else is on here? And our producer Ashley was

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<v Speaker 2>listening with us and Ashley, we're gonna have you come out.

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<v Speaker 2>We love Ashley, she's part of our team. Ashley, we

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk to you about this. Because of course

0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.559
<v Speaker 2>I was making it about me. I was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not real.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ashley, I remember her saying, is there? Who else

0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.400
<v Speaker 1>is on the call? And then all of a sudden,

0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Ashley's voice came in, like it's about to come in

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I just didn't think think working that day that that

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<v Speaker 3>was going to happen right because we're all off camera

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<v Speaker 3>in the back end. So when she asked about that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was already crying from watching you about your mom,

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<v Speaker 3>it was such a deep episode to be a part

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<v Speaker 3>of her feelings. We were just all so intertwined with

0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.040
<v Speaker 3>each other and it was just very deep, you know

0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.800
<v Speaker 3>what I mean very much. I just when she said that,

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<v Speaker 3>I immediately was like, my grandpa's here, and it's someone

0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.440
<v Speaker 3>that my mom is talked. I never got to meet him.

0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.880
<v Speaker 3>My mom loves him and misses him so much. And

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<v Speaker 3>when she said that, I knew I've chilledre right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But what was the connecting detail? Like when did you

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<v Speaker 1>know it was your grandpa?

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<v Speaker 2>The second she said it?

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<v Speaker 3>The second she said a gunshot wounded the head, which

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<v Speaker 3>is how he passed, and then he was when she said,

0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.680
<v Speaker 3>he wants you to know that how he died didn't

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<v Speaker 3>define him. And that's something my mom was always telling us.

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<v Speaker 3>He was wonderful. Just because he died this way doesn't

0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.400
<v Speaker 3>mean that he was a bad person. And the whole

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<v Speaker 3>thing I was in shambles.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hear.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so when I came yes the site, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say in that moment, when Ashley came

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<v Speaker 2>on and was like, wait, I know what this is,

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<v Speaker 2>then I was sold. Then I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this is insane.

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<v Speaker 1>And then for me the trance continued. It was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like I do oh.

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<v Speaker 2>It only yes, because I do think that like people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I said this to you in a

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<v Speaker 2>call after dress. People can people plant trees in someone's memory,

0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.520
<v Speaker 2>right like people can have It's common to keep someone's

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of someone's jewelry, right, But a gunshot wound

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<v Speaker 2>to the head is so incredibly specific, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>not say it's like a run of the mill way

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<v Speaker 2>that people pass. And so for her to say that

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<v Speaker 2>and then say who else is on this call? I

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<v Speaker 2>was just I was like, she's not guessing here, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this something really is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>M h ash.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you feel after the pod?

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<v Speaker 3>I was in a weird days the entire I felt

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<v Speaker 3>very tired. I had to lay down. I couldn't focus

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<v Speaker 3>on the rest of my work, and I kept thinking

0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.240
<v Speaker 3>about all of us on the call. I couldn't stop

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about it and how I grew up watching these

0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.040
<v Speaker 3>shows and like, oh, it's just Hollywood, it's fake, and

0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.080
<v Speaker 3>that we all felt that together it wasn't fake. And

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<v Speaker 3>that was a trip.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>When Camilla and I talked later, we were both driving

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<v Speaker 1>and just asking each other questions and the way things happen,

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<v Speaker 1>Like when things like that happened, you sort of called

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<v Speaker 1>a check in with each other, like did you hear

0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.720
<v Speaker 1>that didn't really have pros together, just like reprocessing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of my favorite moments from that conversation

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<v Speaker 1>was both of us realizing but you, Camilla, just with

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<v Speaker 1>a shaky chin and your full heart and and all

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<v Speaker 1>of your just how how exposed you felt in being

0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.560
<v Speaker 1>in this situation, you just saying, my god, we have

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<v Speaker 1>been through so much together. I know, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>that this was something that you know was not on

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<v Speaker 1>your wish list in this way, and yet it was

0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.960
<v Speaker 1>something that you were drawn to. I thought about that too,

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<v Speaker 1>because I thought, Wow, if I had been the one

0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.119
<v Speaker 1>that was, you know, the most very interested in having

0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Teresa Caputo on it and we said not we we

0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.439
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be read, and then she read you,

0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I'd feel terrible like it. I'd like I made it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But actually, but you had been steering the ship a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more on this one, so I was. I

0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.879
<v Speaker 1>actually think it even further cements that it was it

0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.560
<v Speaker 1>was meant to be. It was cause she was coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you. This was this was a conversation that you

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<v Speaker 1>know was meant to happen. Did you talk to Mad

0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.760
<v Speaker 1>about it afterwards? I did?

0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I talk to Mad about it. And it's funny because

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<v Speaker 2>I also so what was hard for me a little bit.

0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Is growing up my mom did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave, not believe actually she just did. She was against

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<v Speaker 2>going to a meet to mediums and and so, and

0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.119
<v Speaker 2>she even made a joke one time. I remember being like, well,

0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:12.840
<v Speaker 2>if I ever did it, you know, when I died,

0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.000
<v Speaker 2>don't don't ask a medium for me.

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I won't come through.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I had been feeling very torn about that,

0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.760
<v Speaker 2>even though I have a different opinion about it right now,

0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.919
<v Speaker 2>and even before I had said almost this little prayer

0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.879
<v Speaker 2>before getting on with her, and I said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just an interview. We are just doing questions on not

0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 2>asking to be read. However, if you feel like coming through,

0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.680
<v Speaker 2>go for it, you know kind of thing. And if

0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.480
<v Speaker 2>you don't, it's fine. Because I didn't want to go

0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.199
<v Speaker 2>into it feeling like, Okay, is she going to come

0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.760
<v Speaker 2>through or not? And I truly had gone into it

0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.720
<v Speaker 2>feeling like it was just going to be an interview.

0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I love that you said that before that. I also

0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.920
<v Speaker 1>think no person in good health, you know, is gonna

0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.359
<v Speaker 1>is going to say that they want you to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a medium when like you can't see ahead. But

0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that everyone should hold some space for the

0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 1>possibility that they might want to come and busy people

0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:07.399
<v Speaker 1>from the other side.

0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.840
<v Speaker 2>But the truth is is that. I also think that

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<v Speaker 2>my my mom passed at forty three years old with

0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:16.159
<v Speaker 2>young children. I think that when what I imagine is

0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.040
<v Speaker 2>that she was saying that, imagining that she was eighty

0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.480
<v Speaker 2>years old, and now we're like, you know, sixty, I

0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.520
<v Speaker 2>want to see a medium. Is it really necessary?

0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:23.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Maybe yes for some people that it does, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but we I'm forty and I haven't seen her in

0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty one years, right, so it's over half my life

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.200
<v Speaker 2>already that I've had without her. She might have changed

0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:42.120
<v Speaker 2>her mind and not under not really realizing those circumstances.

0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Because the truth is, if I passed young and I

0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.440
<v Speaker 2>had the opportunity to talk to my kids, if Hayden

0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.320
<v Speaker 2>needed that, I would do it.

0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you would, of course you would. I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>like you know what, I just but I didn't want

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.600
<v Speaker 1>to be. I just don't know. I have the time.

0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.399
<v Speaker 1>This heaven thing is very busy. I'm very busy.

0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.720
<v Speaker 2>This is such an intimate conversation for me. By the way,

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.919
<v Speaker 2>I've never this is. You know, I'm spilling all the beans,

0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.480
<v Speaker 2>but I did. In fact, I'm getting like emotional right

0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.720
<v Speaker 2>now because because I really was just so grateful to

0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.840
<v Speaker 2>have just there, yeah, been through so much together, and

0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.680
<v Speaker 2>in that moment, I just it felt like my you know,

0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.240
<v Speaker 2>my American sister was like right there with me experiencing

0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.399
<v Speaker 2>this thing that would be really hard to describe to

0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.240
<v Speaker 2>someone else. And then Ashley you ended up part of

0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.159
<v Speaker 2>it too, and it felt like we texted later and

0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.720
<v Speaker 2>we're like we just went through like this little crazy

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.480
<v Speaker 2>experience together and it really felt like we were in

0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.600
<v Speaker 2>it together too, because we're all kind of just floored.

0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I have to admit, though you will laugh. But later

0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.159
<v Speaker 2>that night, so I was feeling like, Okay, wait to

0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.119
<v Speaker 2>hang on. What if? What if this is like a

0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.880
<v Speaker 2>horror movie though, and like someone else has been able

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.520
<v Speaker 2>to come through too, right, So it's like there's like

0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 2>a potential spooky season. Yeah, yeah, it's bookie season, right.

0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.879
<v Speaker 2>And I was in bed that night and one of

0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 2>our we have this like, well, first off, Matt, he's

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.480
<v Speaker 2>one of those people that if he has to put

0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 2>up something, he's gonna like, STEMI nail it in, do

0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:14.600
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Like he'll he'll.

0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Hang it on a He'll you know, it's not gonna

0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.240
<v Speaker 2>be hung quite right. We have in my living room,

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 2>these branches that he just balanced on top of the

0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.840
<v Speaker 2>curtain rod that have these little bats hanging on them.

0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Are they secure? No, they're not secure. However they have been.

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.440
<v Speaker 2>They've stayed up the whole time so far. And at

0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.760
<v Speaker 2>eleven thirty pm at night that night they fell. They

0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>made this massive noise and I came downstairs and that's like, oh, crab,

0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.400
<v Speaker 2>the bats fell. And I was like, you don't understand.

0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.240
<v Speaker 2>This whole place is possessed. We have a poltageist. And

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.480
<v Speaker 2>he was like, m really not really sure that happened

0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.320
<v Speaker 2>over your five minutes zoom wading. And I was like, no, no, wait,

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 2>wait for the morning. There's gonna be a fucking it's

0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna be fucking what it's gonna be pulled to guy

0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the movie.

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:05.640
<v Speaker 1>There will be stacks ofient flying. Yes, it's flying. Cupboards

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.119
<v Speaker 1>are opening, cobbels are exactly.

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:13.560
<v Speaker 2>And so that I think I was just so exhausted

0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:17.199
<v Speaker 2>and in such a crazy place that I was just

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.040
<v Speaker 2>out of my mind a little.

0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Bit thought that something had been let in from another dimension.

0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I get it, you saw yourself starring in a whole

0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:23.880
<v Speaker 1>other kind of show.

0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought this is the beginning. You've

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 2>made a huge mistake. There's a portal now through the computer.

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:35.160
<v Speaker 2>The portal has been opened, has been a zoom portal opened,

0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and anything could come in anything the meeting, I d yeah.

0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.880
<v Speaker 1>The path they had, the pass code came on through,

0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.840
<v Speaker 1>they had the mess you up. They've added a filter

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and they're in. This would be a good time to

0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 1>remind you that the universe, I deeply believe is on

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 1>our side, that the universe is conspiring to make wonderful

0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 1>things happen for us. And I think that Matt just

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:02.520
<v Speaker 1>shut the bed on hanging those branches.

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.879
<v Speaker 2>I well, I well, because originally I was like, maybe

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 2>you tied those so tin and he was like, not really,

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 2>And I went back through pictures and there's literally just

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.439
<v Speaker 2>like one, the tiniest twig is what he looped around

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the curtain rod.

0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.399
<v Speaker 1>In your mind, there was gorilla glue involved, guys.

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.879
<v Speaker 2>But that night I thought, you know, I thought it

0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 2>was like home improvement, like a whole situation, and this

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 2>had just.

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Flown off, you know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so that was the aftermath. But all these

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<v Speaker 2>I still keep thinking, aboud, you have her on.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, would you do it? Were you gonna hang out,

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<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna sign up for your reading? I'm signing

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<v Speaker 1>up for my reading. I'm gonna have my reading. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>report back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the truth is is that when I I did

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<v Speaker 2>ask for another reading and she said she'd be happy

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, but it's her I didn't realize her

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<v Speaker 2>readings are on her podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what they're not? No super private. Yes, I did

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<v Speaker 1>think about that after, did you? It did not occur

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<v Speaker 1>to me? Yeah I did. I didn't. I think an

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<v Speaker 1>hour I might faint. Yeah, you would no longer be

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<v Speaker 1>with us. You would crossover.

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<v Speaker 2>I would cross over, and then I'd be having communicate with.

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<v Speaker 1>Her how to get back.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I don't know if I need that public.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we can laugh, we can laugh. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>what you can get through anything. Everything will be okay

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<v Speaker 1>in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that we did this together. Me too,

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<v Speaker 1>Me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I mean I do think that you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>need more. I like those episodes because they are just

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<v Speaker 2>so wild and you really don't know where they're gonna go.

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<v Speaker 2>But call that crew. I have to say you were

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<v Speaker 2>with us on this one too, and and we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of all experienced this together. Would you guys go see

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<v Speaker 2>a medium? Is there a reason you wouldn't go see

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<v Speaker 2>a medium? I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too. Tell me all your experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we want to hear. And and I'm so thankful. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I was not planning on sharing it, and in light

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<v Speaker 2>of how intimate we've gotten and vulnerable we've gotten on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast, it felt right to keep it in. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I once it was done, I was like, crap, do

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<v Speaker 2>I edit that part out? That was so intense? But

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<v Speaker 2>but no, it feels like something to share. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very real and uh and and and again there was

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<v Speaker 2>more to it afterwards, and and.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, here we are. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you should. Yeah, I just I think you

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<v Speaker 2>should send us out, send out this episode. Yeah, do

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<v Speaker 2>the sign out, because you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Losing me. I'm in the portal. She's she's at the

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<v Speaker 1>portal's head. Is that a thing? A portal head? A

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<v Speaker 1>brain's got? Second out of our buddies. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a very impactful, very meaningful episode and experience

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<v Speaker 1>in our lives, and I'm so happy that we are

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<v Speaker 1>now recapping it on this short and suite and to

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<v Speaker 1>that end, I would like to call it the end

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode Episode