WEBVTT - The Buck Club 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.840 I miss the green. For example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.960 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:05.920 And when I find my. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.880 Ball in a Frida Egg Friday. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.760 Egg, the dreaded Friday Egg, Friday Frida Frida Egg bride. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.120 Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the golf course. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.680 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:48.000 Friday Egg podcast. Here tonight in a new library, Zach 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.400 Blair's library. It's a very comforting spot. Lots of golf, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.880 golf course architecture stuff. I guess it's in office, lots 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.680 of golf clubs. It's a golfers heaven here with Zach 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.000 and Dj Paiowski. How are you guys doing? 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.840 Yeah, doing good, doing great, Thrilled to be in the library. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.040 It's kind of halfway between the library and in office. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:12.840 Uh yeah, yeah, it's cool. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:13.400 It's fun. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:20.000 Would you term it office library, a den, a den, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.200 a golfer's den. I could see that. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:23.600 I don't know whatever. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.880 Yeah, I used to live in a room that my 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.440 roommates and I had joked that it was called the den. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.039 It was very interesting. A room similar to this. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.120 That's like, yeah, lots of Shenangans in the downs. But 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.759 you go through some of the highlights of what's in here. Yeah, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.280 a lot of books, quite a few books. We'll post 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.720 a picture of the full set of the confidential guys. 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.840 Shout out to my main man, Tom Doak, Doky. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.400 Boy about seventy five Volky wedges, A lot of wedges, 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.560 thirty five Cameron Potters. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.440 Shout out to Aaron Dill and Scottie Cameron. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.560 Hour glasses. Yeah, yeah, that's what the hour glasses. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.440 They're cool little tidbits everyone. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.120 Everyone likes them. So every time I see it cool one, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.560 I usually try and grab it. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.200 It's not a symbolic of some of the players on 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:14.080 the PGA tour. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:15.520 No comment. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.320 All right, Well, so we've been out in Utah for 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.960 a couple of days now tour in the side of 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:26.639 the bat Club. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.680 Pretty cool spot. So how'd you how'd you come up 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.639 on this property? 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.280 A man you know, had a couple of people who 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.800 I know that you are involved with owning it right now, 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:46.120 and just kind of told me that it might be 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:47.519 a potential spot to look at. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.239 Looked at it a few years. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.639 Ago, and yeah, I saw that it had some some 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.600 definite potential and turns out it's pretty good. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.560 Yeah, really good. I think. I don't think it thinks. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.080 Yeah, it's always nice to take people up there and 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.880 see what they think, because you know, I always say 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.000 everyone thinks their ideas are good. But when you go 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.960 up there and people definitely think it's really cool, it's 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:15.960 it's a neat feeling. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.200 Yeah. I kind of wish we had a TV in 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.160 here because I wanted to get a lot of inspiration 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.160 from Nine Bridges, South Korea. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.520 But I natural, yeah, I heard they have some really. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.280 Cool fountains and water features there that we could maybe 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.080 you know, you know, see on the buckalop. Why don't 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.560 you tell people what they can expect from you know, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.119 the land and you know what what you see out 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.840 there after the last couple of days. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.360 Yeah, probably more than anything. I think it'll be on 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.640 a different level of scale than most people are are 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.520 used to. You know, you can compare it to you know, 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.680 your National Golf Links and your sand. 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:03.760 Hills with. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.160 Just the boldness of the whole place. And at the 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.080 same time, I think you'll be able to see that 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:17.760 it's extremely walker friendly and yeah, you'll just get a 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:22.960 lot of different looks, some very cool vistas on the property, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.880 especially when you get kind of up to the top 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.320 there and see everything. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:28.599 The upper one hundred. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.560 Yeah, the upper one hundred is pretty dope. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:37.200 And shit, shit's dope, you guys. I'm teaching them in 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.279 my One of my favorite terms is shit is dope. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.480 Is dope. Shit is dope. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.640 Though, let's talk about how the shit's done for a second, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.880 because we walk around there and it's like, it looks 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.839 like the place was made. It looks like a video 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.320 game where you're supposed to design a golf course. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.880 I mean, the place is like was made to be 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:58.039 a golf course up there. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:03.839 Yeah, it's just kind of screaming, uh yeah for for 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:08.960 amazing golf up there. Lucky to have it and lucky 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:10.960 to be able to do something with it. And I 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.600 think hopefully in the next little while people will begin 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.480 to really see how special it is and they'll definitely 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.440 want to be a part of it, you know. 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.520 I've heard that trending on Twitter. People were wondering if 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.640 there was with Oh. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:32.120 Definitely, I would say there was substantial with lots of 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.560 angles over too much with. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.560 A big ass piece of property. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.240 It's cool, man, It's it'll be sweet. 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:45.600 Yeah, I'm I'm excited so having I mean, we spent 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.680 a lot of days on the land, a lot of 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.080 time on the land last two days, like what uh, 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.240 And I think that the routing process was you know, 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.240 there's it's it's intensive on routing and finding how the 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.200 holes can work together. I mean, what this was obviously, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:02.880 what did you learn from it? 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.000 I mean it's just one of those things where you 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.760 have to definitely pay attention because you have to you know, 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.479 you have to find the best holes. Then you have 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.200 to find a way to get to the best holes 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.640 without it being you know, the same stuff over and over. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.120 So it was difficult. You know, there was definitely some 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:30.159 some times that we found amazing holes that we're like, wow, 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.520 that is awesome, but we had a hard time fitting 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.400 it in to where you know, it was walkable and 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.520 it fit with the rest of the golf course. So yeah, 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.880 it's just something different. But it was cool, it was fun. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:47.080 We had to pass on some good holes. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.400 Yeah, we did a bunch, but I mean that, I 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.000 mean it's a piece of property where you know, there's 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.000 a thousand golf holes out there and we just kind 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.680 of had to narrow it down to eighteen which doesn't stink. 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.160 Yeah, one of the other cool things is there, you know, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.680 there's gonna be a lot of you know, adaptation holes 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.640 where you can play it from different teas. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.800 And yeah, you get out there on a day where 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.960 there's not too many people out there, you're definitely gonna 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:14.520 have some fun. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.200 So it's going to be sick. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:17.800 It's dope. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:18.600 Shit's dope. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.960 So with the kind of big Land, had a ton 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.160 of questions. But Andrew Bailey was wondering, you know, after 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:32.160 spending time on the land, what templates fit the best 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:32.679 out there. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.680 I mean, right off the bat, the Radan is just like, 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.960 I mean, people think it's crazy, but I mean I 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.880 think it'll go down as like the best ra Dan ever. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.320 So that's that's not too bad. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.400 Describe it kind of sucks that we have to do 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.760 a podcasts about it because the it's so much more 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.880 interesting to see. Just describe like what we found when 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.880 we kind of drove up on that hole. I feel 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.520 like we all kind of saw it at the same time. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.800 We're like okay, but yeah, I mean I think that 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.520 was I mean, that was the first hole everybody kind 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.000 of when we were all out there together, it was 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.000 just kind of like we all looked at that and 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.160 we're like, well, we got one hole. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:20.360 You know. Ironically, the radan, that hole was like a 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.240 pain in the ass to rout it too. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.360 It was almost like the lynch pan of the routing. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.080 But at the same time, that's how good the hole 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.600 was that there was you know, like we said, there 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.520 was a thousand golf balls out there, and that was 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.920 the one that was like, you have to keep this 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:38.840 hole here, yeah, because it's that good. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.840 It seemed every almost there's like two holes that didn't change, 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.200 but every other hole change. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.480 Yeah. Yeah, I mean that radan, the scale of that 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.360 thing is just like you can't even the pictures that 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.800 we even have it just like does not do it justice. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.760 The kicker out there on the right is. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.079 Just seventy eighty feet tall. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.360 The right, Ye mean, it's thirty yards right as a green, 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.480 you like, our literally aiming thirty yards right. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:07.920 Yeah. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.000 When we were hitting shots out there today, it was cool. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:11.840 You know, it was cool to see you know, a 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.160 couple of us kind of pulled it right at it. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.319 They ended up fine, and a couple of us kind 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.600 of hit that little push out there up on the 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.280 kicker and they just kicked right down right where it 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:22.800 was supposed to. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.400 Here, here's a question for you guys. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.560 You know we've we've got a big day of dirkolf 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.720 ahead of us tomorrow. But you know what, what were 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.640 your what did you learn about dirt off what what 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.320 are some of the challenges and what are some of 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:37.640 the benefits of dirt golf? 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.360 Gotta gotta have a nice contact. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.480 Gotta the friday was catching a little chunky out there 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:49.160 for a while. It took you off to get warm. 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.240 Things are a little over easy for me if the 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:56.439 egg got there and uh to that end though, yeah, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.320 you tee it up a little bit. I think I 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.960 think play the ball up across a plaid field. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.120 You know, we messed around with the idea of taking 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.520 the around and you. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.920 Know, just the way the property is. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.959 Yeah, I think you just gotta it's a TBC Winter. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:14.360 Rules on. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.080 Unpredictable rules. I think unpredictable bounces. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:20.640 Yeah, dude, tomorrow is going to be sick. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.720 Got the scorecard ready, Gonna have a nice little walk 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:25.520 on the upper one. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.400 Hundred brisk in the morning. We'll figure it out. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.120 I think it'll be nice walking though. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:35.160 We'll keep the Instagram story on Yeah, yeh Fried Underscore, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.240 Egg Underscore Golf. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:44.280 Maybe we even fire up the periscope z ZB Live, 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.800 z McDonald zb McDonald live. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.440 So another thing we're doing this is kind of cool, 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.640 is we've got a ton of massive bunkers out there, 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:00.280 some small ones too. There's a there's a little one 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.560 that's blind that you know. I've named the Shotgun Surprise. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:09.439 But we're we're planning on naming all the bunkers. So 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.520 if you guys have good bunker names, he just reply 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.160 to the pod or something on Twitter, or shoot just 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:15.760 an email. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.400 Do you have any good ideas? Best bunker name gets 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:22.000 a free membership. I don't know. If that's not cleared 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.280 by the Honor, we'll work it in. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.640 Maybe we can get around out there. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:33.080 Pure gotta love a guy that's not a member of himself, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.599 just throwing out trees. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:37.760 What other dames? 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:38.040 Do we have? 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:42.360 Any other bunker names? Shotgun Surprise, Shotgun Surprise, Tron's traphouse. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.679 Yeah eighteen, Tron's trap house. Definitely spot you want to 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:46.200 stay out of. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.160 Yeah, that's gonna be a be a bad one. Tron 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:53.040 I had a question, actually, he had a couple questions. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.880 Some good ones, So we'll get to those, friend of 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.280 the pod, friend of the cause. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.679 Yeah, definitely some daft bunkers out there. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:00.480 Yeah, just. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:10.400 Sat there, dath bunk deep as fuck. You might have 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.400 to bleep that one that. I think the Frida Egg 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:14.800 has the explicit rating, does it? 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:15.079 Yeah? 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:15.720 Does? 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.320 Which is pretty shocking that a podcasts about golf course 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.839 architecture has the explicit raking. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:28.319 Hard ships, dope shits, dope man school, blank you of 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:29.760 golf course architecture. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.400 This might be the most swearing ever on a on 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:37.520 a Frida Egg podcast. Here Tromp's question, Let's say a 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.720 TVC member is involved in backboarding a short approach shot 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.560 and not protecting in the field, automatic expulsion from the 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.240 club plus fatfa. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.559 I mean, that's just I think it's a case by 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:52.439 case deal there. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.400 You know, what do you think the big tabernacle is 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.640 going to be, you know, an habitual thunder of that? 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:01.920 Nah, definitely not. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:03.600 I don't think it was really his fault. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.600 I think it was. I think it's a one time thing. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:11.679 He might actually just Tony Fena might just bully some 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.839 of us halls, even PHOENI might. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.760 He might get even he's gonna even he's gonna have 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.600 to kind of nut up a little bit on twelve. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.320 Yeah, two good shots up there. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.200 The thing is out there if if you hit it 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.400 to the right spots, like, you're fine. You know you 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.360 got plenty of room. But I mean there's some bunkers 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.160 out there that it doesn't matter who's trying to carry him. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.880 It's just not going to happen. And some angles. Yeah, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.079 down windy. Do you think Tony can get home to 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.600 seven and ten yard part five? I think so. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.280 Firm and fast, Yeah, Utah elevation, I'll hit it like 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.400 a four hundred. But the thing on that hale, but 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.280 the thing on that hole with the huge hell's half 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.560 acre type great hazard is you're gonna be forced kind 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.199 of up. You know that fairway is going to kind 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.120 of narrow up the further you go, So. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.920 You better hit a good one. So let me ask 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:08.400 you the toughest aspect. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.040 One of the toughest aspects of design is blending playability 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.600 with like a challenge for player players like you. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.920 So from your mind, what are the things that make 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.520 it the toughest on like. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:28.080 The tour level player, the tour level player, say, upper 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.320 level amateur player, Like what are the kind of like 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.320 design traits and features. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.520 Up there. I think you'll see, you know, just a 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:43.200 lot of holes that use the earth pretty good, just 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.720 the ground that's there. So I think you'll see some 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.560 uneven lies that are a bit of a challenge. And 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:54.520 then I just think using the half pars as best 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.360 you can, because you kind of get into some of 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.320 those holes thinking their birdie holes, and you miss it 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:00.760 in the wrong spot and all of a sudden you 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.880 screw up, and then you start forcing it on some 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.400 of those four and a halfs that you know are 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.880 are tough. Part four us trying to make birdies getting 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:14.280 into you know, more of those bad places. But I mean, look, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.360 I want to make a place that if you get going, 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.400 you can light it up and play good. I don't 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.040 want to make a place that just beats you in 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.720 the face no matter how you're playing. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.840 Yeah, I think that's the best courses are the ones 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.520 where if you play well, you you score, but if 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.160 you're a little mediocre, then it kind of. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:35.720 Gets you bits you. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:41.520 It's I think I also agree that ground undulation, like 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.640 if you give somebody a wedge, but the wedge the 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.360 balls like three inches below their feet on a downslope, 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.920 it's like just an uncomfortable shot. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.600 Well, I think that ninth all, you know, I know 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.280 we're talking about it a little more, but you know, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.320 it's a hole that kind of hits up onto the 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.720 top of this hill and then it goes down to 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.880 this big double green. But if you force it up 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.080 there and try and get over the hill, you're gonna 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.280 get these like ninety to one hundred and twenty yard 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.960 wed shots straight off the down slope to a green 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.680 that slopes back to front, where if you once skip 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.520 it over, you're just done. 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.600 So that's I played Crystal every day and that's why 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.920 I saw it's only sixty six hundred yards and I 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.320 drove the ball really well. But like if you drive it, 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.240 they let you drive it up close. But then you 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.560 get these like really uncomfortable lies. You're hitting half ledges 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.640 to these these greens that are like you have to 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.760 be really precise hitting into the greens. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:48.920 And that it was tough. It was it just you know, 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.720 like it keep kept you on edge. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.920 I think ground movement keeps you on edge, like saying 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.600 from flat lies like going to the range. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.120 Yeah, yeah, it's uh so. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.600 Another question from tron here he got his out of 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:10.600 the way, says the better ones later, has the Fas 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:15.360 gotten so much flack for being overrated that he's now underrated? 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.800 I mean, I told you guys today, I think the 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.320 Fas might go down in history is the Donald Ross 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.720 of his generation. So I don't know, I think. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:33.040 Uh yeah, the worst generation of golf architects of all time. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.600 No, but but it's like it's like our point. It's 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.040 like pebble beach is on the water, like you can't. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.199 That's he's the biggest fish in a puddle. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.560 He's still the biggest fish though, right, It's like you can't, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:48.160 you can't. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.199 Donald Ross isn't the biggest fish though. And in the 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.240 Golden Age fuddle, he had the most courses. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:55.800 That's what I was gonna say. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.359 Well, that's what I'm at. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.679 That's a that's a tough thing. It's like, how do 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.240 you how do you jet? 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:02.480 Like? 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:02.800 You know? 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.080 They I feel like you can judge the Golden Age 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:07.680 because they're all dead. 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:14.320 Fozzier does what he's paid to do. He makes these 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.520 courses for what he's told to make them. I'm sure 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.720 if he got a piece of property that he could 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.240 do whatever he wanted it might be different, but he's 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.720 made you know, he's paid and hired to do you know, 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:34.360 the Discovery Land project type courses and he doesn't good right, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.960 I don't know. I just and he's fired up with 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:44.760 the last question lack of just the lack of one like. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.400 It, with all the projects and all the money he's 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.040 gotten to do these projects where he has unlimited budget. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:57.160 Like you gotta have one that's like, oh yeah, that's 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.719 one of the best courses ever. What's his best? 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.280 What are the ones Shadow Creek? Maybe? 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:08.600 What are the ones from Donald Ross like Seminole, Pinehurst, 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.600 Oak Hill. But at the same time, like, what if 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:16.439 one of those places in thirty years turn you know 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.440 that that Fazzio is done, turns into something like that 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.119 that people agree is amazing. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.000 I don't know. I guess if like it's. 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.440 Hard to judge, it's hard to judge. 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.240 Side a dog legs becoming in vogue, like yeah, catch 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:35.560 basins like that, I'm in you know that's that sounds 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.800 like that might be twenty twenty. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.800 Those things are gonna get hot. I think you need 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:41.440 more catch. 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:45.080 Bass I really think where we're at right now with 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.359 the catch basins, water features and comfort stations at TBC. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.719 Is it's pretty ideal. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.480 Yeah, even hamplets and catch bases at the bottom of 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:55.320 the double perch bowl. 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.399 I think maybe like yeah, right up front, maybe in 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:02.199 the middle, in the. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:02.960 Middle of the punch bowl. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:08.600 Yeah, the inverted it's double punch bowl is gonna be 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:09.600 a jaw dropper. 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.160 But you need to explain that inverted. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.439 But I think, but the problem But the problem is 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.400 it looks like that right now. But once it gets 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.760 graded out, it'll just be a big double punch ball. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.359 It's not gonna be but there'll be a little little 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.000 humped humped. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.200 You don't It'll just be like this, it'll go there there. 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:34.080 It's not going to be like this and then like that. Nope, 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:35.240 we're out. 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:36.440 I'm out, all right. 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:43.000 Maybe maybe it's maybe it's done so the. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:48.639 Doak scale, bellly Neal number friend of the Cause, big 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:54.800 architecture fan. Yeah, Zach, you've you've made mentioned before about 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.080 modern greens being too over the top. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.640 Can you elaborate and site specif pick examples of these 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:06.520 courses and show your work. Sounds like a test question. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.240 I know, my god, I love it. Ohly cah, I 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:13.680 think there's too many examples for me to get naming specifics. 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.680 What we talked about a few today. You know, maybe 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.920 a couple up it up and bandoned at basically all 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:26.159 the courses up there, maybe specifically bandoned trails have a 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.960 couple that are just out of control. Same with friars Head. 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.800 You know, awesome courses, But then you get to some 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.399