Speaker 1: I miss the green. For example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 1: And when I find my.
Speaker 2: Ball in a Frida Egg Friday.
Speaker 3: Egg, the dreaded Friday Egg, Friday Frida Frida Egg bride.
Speaker 1: Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the golf course.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 3: Friday Egg podcast. Here tonight in a new library, Zach
Speaker 3: Blair's library. It's a very comforting spot. Lots of golf,
Speaker 3: golf course architecture stuff. I guess it's in office, lots
Speaker 3: of golf clubs. It's a golfers heaven here with Zach
Speaker 3: and Dj Paiowski. How are you guys doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing good, doing great, Thrilled to be in the library.
Speaker 2: It's kind of halfway between the library and in office.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 4: It's fun.
Speaker 1: Would you term it office library, a den, a den,
Speaker 1: a golfer's den. I could see that.
Speaker 4: I don't know whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to live in a room that my
Speaker 2: roommates and I had joked that it was called the den.
Speaker 1: It was very interesting. A room similar to this.
Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, lots of Shenangans in the downs. But
Speaker 2: you go through some of the highlights of what's in here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of books, quite a few books. We'll post
Speaker 2: a picture of the full set of the confidential guys.
Speaker 4: Shout out to my main man, Tom Doak, Doky.
Speaker 3: Boy about seventy five Volky wedges, A lot of wedges,
Speaker 3: thirty five Cameron Potters.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Aaron Dill and Scottie Cameron.
Speaker 1: Hour glasses. Yeah, yeah, that's what the hour glasses.
Speaker 4: They're cool little tidbits everyone.
Speaker 1: Everyone likes them. So every time I see it cool one,
Speaker 1: I usually try and grab it.
Speaker 3: It's not a symbolic of some of the players on
Speaker 3: the PGA tour.
Speaker 1: No comment.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, so we've been out in Utah for
Speaker 2: a couple of days now tour in the side of
Speaker 2: the bat Club.
Speaker 3: Pretty cool spot. So how'd you how'd you come up
Speaker 3: on this property?
Speaker 4: A man you know, had a couple of people who
Speaker 4: I know that you are involved with owning it right now,
Speaker 4: and just kind of told me that it might be
Speaker 4: a potential spot to look at.
Speaker 1: Looked at it a few years.
Speaker 4: Ago, and yeah, I saw that it had some some
Speaker 4: definite potential and turns out it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really good. I think. I don't think it thinks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always nice to take people up there and
Speaker 4: see what they think, because you know, I always say
Speaker 4: everyone thinks their ideas are good. But when you go
Speaker 4: up there and people definitely think it's really cool, it's
Speaker 4: it's a neat feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I kind of wish we had a TV in
Speaker 3: here because I wanted to get a lot of inspiration
Speaker 3: from Nine Bridges, South Korea.
Speaker 1: But I natural, yeah, I heard they have some really.
Speaker 3: Cool fountains and water features there that we could maybe
Speaker 3: you know, you know, see on the buckalop. Why don't
Speaker 3: you tell people what they can expect from you know,
Speaker 3: the land and you know what what you see out
Speaker 3: there after the last couple of days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably more than anything. I think it'll be on
Speaker 4: a different level of scale than most people are are
Speaker 4: used to. You know, you can compare it to you know,
Speaker 4: your National Golf Links and your sand.
Speaker 1: Hills with.
Speaker 4: Just the boldness of the whole place. And at the
Speaker 4: same time, I think you'll be able to see that
Speaker 4: it's extremely walker friendly and yeah, you'll just get a
Speaker 4: lot of different looks, some very cool vistas on the property,
Speaker 4: especially when you get kind of up to the top
Speaker 4: there and see everything.
Speaker 1: The upper one hundred.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the upper one hundred is pretty dope.
Speaker 3: And shit, shit's dope, you guys. I'm teaching them in
Speaker 3: my One of my favorite terms is shit is dope.
Speaker 1: Is dope. Shit is dope.
Speaker 2: Though, let's talk about how the shit's done for a second,
Speaker 2: because we walk around there and it's like, it looks
Speaker 2: like the place was made. It looks like a video
Speaker 2: game where you're supposed to design a golf course.
Speaker 1: I mean, the place is like was made to be
Speaker 1: a golf course up there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just kind of screaming, uh yeah for for
Speaker 4: amazing golf up there. Lucky to have it and lucky
Speaker 4: to be able to do something with it. And I
Speaker 4: think hopefully in the next little while people will begin
Speaker 4: to really see how special it is and they'll definitely
Speaker 4: want to be a part of it, you know.
Speaker 3: I've heard that trending on Twitter. People were wondering if
Speaker 3: there was with Oh.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I would say there was substantial with lots of
Speaker 2: angles over too much with.
Speaker 1: A big ass piece of property.
Speaker 4: It's cool, man, It's it'll be sweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm excited so having I mean, we spent
Speaker 3: a lot of days on the land, a lot of
Speaker 3: time on the land last two days, like what uh,
Speaker 3: And I think that the routing process was you know,
Speaker 3: there's it's it's intensive on routing and finding how the
Speaker 3: holes can work together. I mean, what this was obviously,
Speaker 3: what did you learn from it?
Speaker 4: I mean it's just one of those things where you
Speaker 4: have to definitely pay attention because you have to you know,
Speaker 4: you have to find the best holes. Then you have
Speaker 4: to find a way to get to the best holes
Speaker 4: without it being you know, the same stuff over and over.
Speaker 4: So it was difficult. You know, there was definitely some
Speaker 4: some times that we found amazing holes that we're like, wow,
Speaker 4: that is awesome, but we had a hard time fitting
Speaker 4: it in to where you know, it was walkable and
Speaker 4: it fit with the rest of the golf course. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just something different. But it was cool, it was fun.
Speaker 1: We had to pass on some good holes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did a bunch, but I mean that, I
Speaker 4: mean it's a piece of property where you know, there's
Speaker 4: a thousand golf holes out there and we just kind
Speaker 4: of had to narrow it down to eighteen which doesn't stink.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the other cool things is there, you know,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot of you know, adaptation holes
Speaker 3: where you can play it from different teas.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you get out there on a day where
Speaker 4: there's not too many people out there, you're definitely gonna
Speaker 4: have some fun.
Speaker 1: So it's going to be sick.
Speaker 4: It's dope.
Speaker 1: Shit's dope.
Speaker 2: So with the kind of big Land, had a ton
Speaker 2: of questions. But Andrew Bailey was wondering, you know, after
Speaker 2: spending time on the land, what templates fit the best
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 4: I mean, right off the bat, the Radan is just like,
Speaker 4: I mean, people think it's crazy, but I mean I
Speaker 4: think it'll go down as like the best ra Dan ever.
Speaker 1: So that's that's not too bad.
Speaker 2: Describe it kind of sucks that we have to do
Speaker 2: a podcasts about it because the it's so much more
Speaker 2: interesting to see. Just describe like what we found when
Speaker 2: we kind of drove up on that hole. I feel
Speaker 2: like we all kind of saw it at the same time.
Speaker 4: We're like okay, but yeah, I mean I think that
Speaker 4: was I mean, that was the first hole everybody kind
Speaker 4: of when we were all out there together, it was
Speaker 4: just kind of like we all looked at that and
Speaker 4: we're like, well, we got one hole.
Speaker 3: You know. Ironically, the radan, that hole was like a
Speaker 3: pain in the ass to rout it too.
Speaker 1: It was almost like the lynch pan of the routing.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, that's how good the hole
Speaker 4: was that there was you know, like we said, there
Speaker 4: was a thousand golf balls out there, and that was
Speaker 4: the one that was like, you have to keep this
Speaker 4: hole here, yeah, because it's that good.
Speaker 3: It seemed every almost there's like two holes that didn't change,
Speaker 3: but every other hole change.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that radan, the scale of that
Speaker 4: thing is just like you can't even the pictures that
Speaker 4: we even have it just like does not do it justice.
Speaker 4: The kicker out there on the right is.
Speaker 1: Just seventy eighty feet tall.
Speaker 3: The right, Ye mean, it's thirty yards right as a green,
Speaker 3: you like, our literally aiming thirty yards right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When we were hitting shots out there today, it was cool.
Speaker 4: You know, it was cool to see you know, a
Speaker 4: couple of us kind of pulled it right at it.
Speaker 4: They ended up fine, and a couple of us kind
Speaker 4: of hit that little push out there up on the
Speaker 4: kicker and they just kicked right down right where it
Speaker 4: was supposed to.
Speaker 1: Here, here's a question for you guys.
Speaker 3: You know we've we've got a big day of dirkolf
Speaker 3: ahead of us tomorrow. But you know what, what were
Speaker 3: your what did you learn about dirt off what what
Speaker 3: are some of the challenges and what are some of
Speaker 3: the benefits of dirt golf?
Speaker 4: Gotta gotta have a nice contact.
Speaker 2: Gotta the friday was catching a little chunky out there
Speaker 2: for a while. It took you off to get warm.
Speaker 2: Things are a little over easy for me if the
Speaker 2: egg got there and uh to that end though, yeah,
Speaker 2: you tee it up a little bit. I think I
Speaker 2: think play the ball up across a plaid field.
Speaker 4: You know, we messed around with the idea of taking
Speaker 4: the around and you.
Speaker 1: Know, just the way the property is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you just gotta it's a TBC Winter.
Speaker 1: Rules on.
Speaker 2: Unpredictable rules. I think unpredictable bounces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, tomorrow is going to be sick.
Speaker 4: Got the scorecard ready, Gonna have a nice little walk
Speaker 4: on the upper one.
Speaker 1: Hundred brisk in the morning. We'll figure it out.
Speaker 4: I think it'll be nice walking though.
Speaker 3: We'll keep the Instagram story on Yeah, yeh Fried Underscore,
Speaker 3: Egg Underscore Golf.
Speaker 4: Maybe we even fire up the periscope z ZB Live,
Speaker 4: z McDonald zb McDonald live.
Speaker 3: So another thing we're doing this is kind of cool,
Speaker 3: is we've got a ton of massive bunkers out there,
Speaker 3: some small ones too. There's a there's a little one
Speaker 3: that's blind that you know. I've named the Shotgun Surprise.
Speaker 3: But we're we're planning on naming all the bunkers. So
Speaker 3: if you guys have good bunker names, he just reply
Speaker 3: to the pod or something on Twitter, or shoot just
Speaker 3: an email.
Speaker 1: Do you have any good ideas? Best bunker name gets
Speaker 1: a free membership. I don't know. If that's not cleared
Speaker 1: by the Honor, we'll work it in.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can get around out there.
Speaker 3: Pure gotta love a guy that's not a member of himself,
Speaker 3: just throwing out trees.
Speaker 1: What other dames?
Speaker 3: Do we have?
Speaker 1: Any other bunker names? Shotgun Surprise, Shotgun Surprise, Tron's traphouse.
Speaker 4: Yeah eighteen, Tron's trap house. Definitely spot you want to
Speaker 4: stay out of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be a be a bad one. Tron
Speaker 1: I had a question, actually, he had a couple questions.
Speaker 2: Some good ones, So we'll get to those, friend of
Speaker 2: the pod, friend of the cause.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely some daft bunkers out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just.
Speaker 2: Sat there, dath bunk deep as fuck. You might have
Speaker 2: to bleep that one that. I think the Frida Egg
Speaker 2: has the explicit rating, does it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Does?
Speaker 2: Which is pretty shocking that a podcasts about golf course
Speaker 2: architecture has the explicit raking.
Speaker 1: Hard ships, dope shits, dope man school, blank you of
Speaker 1: golf course architecture.
Speaker 3: This might be the most swearing ever on a on
Speaker 3: a Frida Egg podcast. Here Tromp's question, Let's say a
Speaker 3: TVC member is involved in backboarding a short approach shot
Speaker 3: and not protecting in the field, automatic expulsion from the
Speaker 3: club plus fatfa.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just I think it's a case by
Speaker 4: case deal there.
Speaker 3: You know, what do you think the big tabernacle is
Speaker 3: going to be, you know, an habitual thunder of that?
Speaker 4: Nah, definitely not.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was really his fault.
Speaker 4: I think it was. I think it's a one time thing.
Speaker 1: He might actually just Tony Fena might just bully some
Speaker 1: of us halls, even PHOENI might.
Speaker 2: He might get even he's gonna even he's gonna have
Speaker 2: to kind of nut up a little bit on twelve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two good shots up there.
Speaker 4: The thing is out there if if you hit it
Speaker 4: to the right spots, like, you're fine. You know you
Speaker 4: got plenty of room. But I mean there's some bunkers
Speaker 4: out there that it doesn't matter who's trying to carry him.
Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. And some angles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: down windy. Do you think Tony can get home to
Speaker 1: seven and ten yard part five? I think so.
Speaker 4: Firm and fast, Yeah, Utah elevation, I'll hit it like
Speaker 4: a four hundred. But the thing on that hale, but
Speaker 4: the thing on that hole with the huge hell's half
Speaker 4: acre type great hazard is you're gonna be forced kind
Speaker 4: of up. You know that fairway is going to kind
Speaker 4: of narrow up the further you go, So.
Speaker 1: You better hit a good one. So let me ask
Speaker 1: you the toughest aspect.
Speaker 3: One of the toughest aspects of design is blending playability
Speaker 3: with like a challenge for player players like you.
Speaker 1: So from your mind, what are the things that make
Speaker 1: it the toughest on like.
Speaker 3: The tour level player, the tour level player, say, upper
Speaker 3: level amateur player, Like what are the kind of like
Speaker 3: design traits and features.
Speaker 4: Up there. I think you'll see, you know, just a
Speaker 4: lot of holes that use the earth pretty good, just
Speaker 4: the ground that's there. So I think you'll see some
Speaker 4: uneven lies that are a bit of a challenge. And
Speaker 4: then I just think using the half pars as best
Speaker 4: you can, because you kind of get into some of
Speaker 4: those holes thinking their birdie holes, and you miss it
Speaker 4: in the wrong spot and all of a sudden you
Speaker 4: screw up, and then you start forcing it on some
Speaker 4: of those four and a halfs that you know are
Speaker 4: are tough. Part four us trying to make birdies getting
Speaker 4: into you know, more of those bad places. But I mean, look,
Speaker 4: I want to make a place that if you get going,
Speaker 4: you can light it up and play good. I don't
Speaker 4: want to make a place that just beats you in
Speaker 4: the face no matter how you're playing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the best courses are the ones
Speaker 3: where if you play well, you you score, but if
Speaker 3: you're a little mediocre, then it kind of.
Speaker 1: Gets you bits you.
Speaker 3: It's I think I also agree that ground undulation, like
Speaker 3: if you give somebody a wedge, but the wedge the
Speaker 3: balls like three inches below their feet on a downslope,
Speaker 3: it's like just an uncomfortable shot.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that ninth all, you know, I know
Speaker 4: we're talking about it a little more, but you know,
Speaker 4: it's a hole that kind of hits up onto the
Speaker 4: top of this hill and then it goes down to
Speaker 4: this big double green. But if you force it up
Speaker 4: there and try and get over the hill, you're gonna
Speaker 4: get these like ninety to one hundred and twenty yard
Speaker 4: wed shots straight off the down slope to a green
Speaker 4: that slopes back to front, where if you once skip
Speaker 4: it over, you're just done.
Speaker 3: So that's I played Crystal every day and that's why
Speaker 3: I saw it's only sixty six hundred yards and I
Speaker 3: drove the ball really well. But like if you drive it,
Speaker 3: they let you drive it up close. But then you
Speaker 3: get these like really uncomfortable lies. You're hitting half ledges
Speaker 3: to these these greens that are like you have to
Speaker 3: be really precise hitting into the greens.
Speaker 1: And that it was tough. It was it just you know,
Speaker 1: like it keep kept you on edge.
Speaker 3: I think ground movement keeps you on edge, like saying
Speaker 3: from flat lies like going to the range.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh so.
Speaker 3: Another question from tron here he got his out of
Speaker 3: the way, says the better ones later, has the Fas
Speaker 3: gotten so much flack for being overrated that he's now underrated?
Speaker 4: I mean, I told you guys today, I think the
Speaker 4: Fas might go down in history is the Donald Ross
Speaker 4: of his generation. So I don't know, I think.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, the worst generation of golf architects of all time.
Speaker 4: No, but but it's like it's like our point. It's
Speaker 4: like pebble beach is on the water, like you can't.
Speaker 1: That's he's the biggest fish in a puddle.
Speaker 4: He's still the biggest fish though, right, It's like you can't,
Speaker 4: you can't.
Speaker 2: Donald Ross isn't the biggest fish though. And in the
Speaker 2: Golden Age fuddle, he had the most courses.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm at.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a tough thing. It's like, how do
Speaker 1: you how do you jet?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: They I feel like you can judge the Golden Age
Speaker 3: because they're all dead.
Speaker 4: Fozzier does what he's paid to do. He makes these
Speaker 4: courses for what he's told to make them. I'm sure
Speaker 4: if he got a piece of property that he could
Speaker 4: do whatever he wanted it might be different, but he's
Speaker 4: made you know, he's paid and hired to do you know,
Speaker 4: the Discovery Land project type courses and he doesn't good right,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just and he's fired up with
Speaker 4: the last question lack of just the lack of one like.
Speaker 3: It, with all the projects and all the money he's
Speaker 3: gotten to do these projects where he has unlimited budget.
Speaker 2: Like you gotta have one that's like, oh yeah, that's
Speaker 2: one of the best courses ever. What's his best?
Speaker 1: What are the ones Shadow Creek? Maybe?
Speaker 4: What are the ones from Donald Ross like Seminole, Pinehurst,
Speaker 4: Oak Hill. But at the same time, like, what if
Speaker 4: one of those places in thirty years turn you know
Speaker 4: that that Fazzio is done, turns into something like that
Speaker 4: that people agree is amazing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess if like it's.
Speaker 4: Hard to judge, it's hard to judge.
Speaker 2: Side a dog legs becoming in vogue, like yeah, catch
Speaker 2: basins like that, I'm in you know that's that sounds
Speaker 2: like that might be twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Those things are gonna get hot. I think you need
Speaker 1: more catch.
Speaker 4: Bass I really think where we're at right now with
Speaker 4: the catch basins, water features and comfort stations at TBC.
Speaker 1: Is it's pretty ideal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even hamplets and catch bases at the bottom of
Speaker 2: the double perch bowl.
Speaker 4: I think maybe like yeah, right up front, maybe in
Speaker 4: the middle, in the.
Speaker 1: Middle of the punch bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the inverted it's double punch bowl is gonna be
Speaker 3: a jaw dropper.
Speaker 1: But you need to explain that inverted.
Speaker 4: But I think, but the problem But the problem is
Speaker 4: it looks like that right now. But once it gets
Speaker 4: graded out, it'll just be a big double punch ball.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be but there'll be a little little
Speaker 3: humped humped.
Speaker 1: You don't It'll just be like this, it'll go there there.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be like this and then like that. Nope,
Speaker 1: we're out.
Speaker 4: I'm out, all right.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe it's maybe it's done so the.
Speaker 7: Doak scale, bellly Neal number friend of the Cause, big
Speaker 7: architecture fan. Yeah, Zach, you've you've made mentioned before about
Speaker 7: modern greens being too over the top.
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate and site specif pick examples of these
Speaker 1: courses and show your work. Sounds like a test question.
Speaker 4: I know, my god, I love it. Ohly cah, I
Speaker 4: think there's too many examples for me to get naming specifics.
Speaker 4: What we talked about a few today. You know, maybe
Speaker 4: a couple up it up and bandoned at basically all
Speaker 4: the courses up there, maybe specifically bandoned trails have a
Speaker 4: couple that are just out of control. Same with friars Head.
Speaker 4: You know, awesome courses, But then you get to some
Speaker 4: of the greens and it's just like, why, you know,
Speaker 4: I just don't think you have to reinvent the wheel
Speaker 4: when it comes to making greens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with this. I think there are time
Speaker 3: and place for wild greens.
Speaker 1: I do. I think there's some cool spots you can do.
Speaker 3: In certain situations, but they have to be done in
Speaker 3: the very right setting.
Speaker 4: I just like, I feel like when people say that,
Speaker 4: they're like, yeah, I think you know, on short par
Speaker 4: fives or on drivable par fours, you can have these greens.
Speaker 4: But I'm sitting there thinking like I would rather have
Speaker 4: a not wild green on those holes because if I
Speaker 4: pull off the shot and drive a short part four,
Speaker 4: I want like to make an eagle. I don't want
Speaker 4: to have to try and not three putt, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And that's some of the some of
Speaker 4: the problems on some of those holes. I don't know
Speaker 4: what hole it is specifically at There's, but there's like
Speaker 4: three holes in a row at bandoned trails. It's the
Speaker 4: drivable part four, then the than the kind of dog
Speaker 4: leg right par four up the hill, then the par
Speaker 4: five up the hill. They've had to change like those
Speaker 4: greens numerous times, you know, red ledges up in Park City,
Speaker 4: same thing, Jack Nicholas design. They've had to change several
Speaker 4: greens numerous times. It's like, why you don't have to
Speaker 4: make them that crazy, just make them platable, you know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes subtlely is the hardest thing straight puss or the
Speaker 3: hardest puss to read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you spend the last time reading straight putts?
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably trying to find something, you know, trying to
Speaker 4: find which way it goes, and it just doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Our greens like that.
Speaker 2: We always talk about like potential defenses for professional game,
Speaker 2: just with distance and all that stuff. You're always kind
Speaker 2: of looking for different ways to perfect the course. Do
Speaker 2: all that I mean, is that an opportunity to use
Speaker 2: some of those wild greens or no, I know we're
Speaker 2: talking about two different things. We're talking about kind of
Speaker 2: recreational golfers professional golf.
Speaker 1: But do you know what I mean? Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Kind of?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean it's I you know, my whole take is,
Speaker 4: if you get the course in the right shape and
Speaker 4: the right conditions, playing firm and fast, you don't have
Speaker 4: to have wild greens. You know. It puts a premium
Speaker 4: on getting the ball in play and being on the
Speaker 4: right spot to be able to attack pins and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. So I don't think you need to go
Speaker 4: crazy in tournament golf or recreational golf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's the philosophy behind it, is like, oh,
Speaker 3: if you're a really good player, you should be able
Speaker 3: to hit this ball within eight feet of the fly.
Speaker 3: And if not, then you Like my issue is like
Speaker 3: part of the fun of golf is rolling.
Speaker 1: In thirty footers exactly.
Speaker 3: And sometimes when you have puts the break ten feet
Speaker 3: fifteen feet, it's just like, well I'm going to do
Speaker 3: like it's not really fun. And that's the other thing
Speaker 3: is like a put over a big ridge with like
Speaker 3: a lot of break, like a.
Speaker 1: Good player like just cozies you up there like two feet.
Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing I guess too, is It's
Speaker 2: kind of one of the stats that turns out to
Speaker 2: be ass backwards a little bit, like when people say, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, the ball's going too far, we need to
Speaker 2: make the course is longer, and it really just helps
Speaker 2: the longer players. The wild greens kind of just you know,
Speaker 2: you're really just taking away from the people who can
Speaker 2: put it well right I mean, and giving the longer
Speaker 2: players like another advantage.
Speaker 4: But then on the opposite side of that, from like
Speaker 4: from you know, growing the game and getting more people
Speaker 4: involved and having fun and stuff like that, It's like,
Speaker 4: why would you want to build these crazy greens where
Speaker 4: somebody that's just starting to play is trying to too
Speaker 4: putt and they can't, like good players can't even two putt.
Speaker 4: And then you get somebody that has no touch or anything.
Speaker 4: They'll like give up the first time they ever go
Speaker 4: play one of those courses. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you wanted if you wanted the people
Speaker 4: to have fun, and you wanted more people to enjoy golf,
Speaker 4: why wouldn't you just tone it down a little bit
Speaker 4: and just make.
Speaker 1: It I'm.
Speaker 3: Of really bold exterior contours with subtle and intricate interior.
Speaker 1: Contours where you've got like a.
Speaker 3: Lot of spines and stuff that are subtle and they're small.
Speaker 1: Like there's a there's.
Speaker 3: A par three at the course I play at that's
Speaker 3: like a really big green and there's this tiny little
Speaker 3: spine that runs right down the middle and you're hitting
Speaker 3: like a fore iron into it, and it's got a
Speaker 3: lot of front back to front slope. So but when
Speaker 3: you're putting, if say you pull your fore iron left
Speaker 3: and the pins on it right, like you've got this
Speaker 3: like really dicey pot over the spine. If you don't
Speaker 3: hit the perfect pace, you either you end up five
Speaker 3: feet short or five feet long. And that's a cool
Speaker 3: little feature because it is, but it's not crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean, we played Fishers earlier this year,
Speaker 4: and I think they have some of the coolest just
Speaker 4: subtle greens out there. You know, a little back to front,
Speaker 4: but like you said, they got these these gentle spines
Speaker 4: that kind of if you get on the wrong side,
Speaker 4: you have a more challenging putt. But you can do it,
Speaker 4: you know, you if you put a good role on it,
Speaker 4: you can a maybe make it, and b it's never
Speaker 4: going to get like to the point where you're like, wow,
Speaker 4: I can't even two put this putt. So that's what
Speaker 4: I like at least, But everyone's different, you know. It's
Speaker 4: like it's hard for me to say, you know, to
Speaker 4: doak scales point, it's hard for me to say, like,
Speaker 4: I don't like that, that's not right. But he might
Speaker 4: be like, well, I like this stuff, so you know,
Speaker 4: what you're saying doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to have a different opinion. M I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that's the beauty of golf course architecture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, definitely learning that more and more as
Speaker 4: the years go. Everyone's got a different flavor that they like,
Speaker 4: you know, which isn't bad.
Speaker 1: All right, Brandon Barry wants to know what's the Buck
Speaker 1: Club's practice facility is going to consists of practice facility,
Speaker 1: you know, decent range, a little short course.
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of people been talking about how
Speaker 4: much they love the putting courses and everything like that.
Speaker 4: I've never been.
Speaker 1: A huge fan.
Speaker 4: But if enough people like that type of stuff, I'm
Speaker 4: out on putting.
Speaker 1: I think they're overrated. You're out. That's how I am.
Speaker 4: But people seem to like.
Speaker 1: What did you like? I don't get what you would
Speaker 1: not like about it.
Speaker 4: I just like, I feel like they're cool for about
Speaker 4: a year and then they gradually start Like we had
Speaker 4: a really cool one down in Saint George at Heart
Speaker 4: make sam Pala, and it was unbelievable, like crazy, and
Speaker 4: it was fun, really cool. But after about a year
Speaker 4: and a half and no one like using it, suddenly
Speaker 4: it turned into where they only started mowing a little
Speaker 4: bit of it, and then it gradually turned into where
Speaker 4: they stopped mowing most of it, and it turned into
Speaker 4: like a little pitching popcorse. And it's like that's what
Speaker 4: they always turn into. I feel like, so.
Speaker 1: Bally Neil has one. It's like an acre and a.
Speaker 2: Half and it's brand new though, but like okay, like
Speaker 2: you have to pay a ground screw guy.
Speaker 1: It takes like two guys two.
Speaker 4: Hours to mow it exactly a day.
Speaker 1: Two hours, Like think about that over the year.
Speaker 3: That's let's just say it's forty bucks a day, Like
Speaker 3: it adds up. Then you add all the pesticides, all
Speaker 3: the sprays, you have to do, all the maintenance, Like
Speaker 3: that is an expensive green.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like.
Speaker 3: It it's like couldn't it be like half the size
Speaker 3: and still be really cool.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like, I mean, I grew up with my
Speaker 4: friends just on a regular putting green having and it
Speaker 4: was just as much fun. Yeah, doing what we were doing,
Speaker 4: and it was regular.
Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be that big.
Speaker 4: I would much rather have a sick little par three course, yeah,
Speaker 4: short course or whatever, where you can go out, take
Speaker 4: a couple of clubs and still put and just whip around,
Speaker 4: play as many holes as you want and call it
Speaker 4: a night.
Speaker 2: You could probably build a par three course with ten
Speaker 2: greens for as much and have as much green space
Speaker 2: as a one and a half acre putting green.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's big question, you know how big?
Speaker 4: I mean, like if we pulled up what a one
Speaker 4: and a half acre looked like on my like Google maps,
Speaker 4: you guys would be like, what the fuck are they doing?
Speaker 6: It is cool though, it's got some lights over it.
Speaker 6: But that's the other thing. The lights aren't on the
Speaker 6: whole putt and green. Yeah, half the pudding green isn't lighted.
Speaker 6: Lit Li lit the conversations.
Speaker 1: Lit all right, I hate them, You don't hate I
Speaker 1: don't hate them. I'm just out on him.
Speaker 4: I'm out exactly how I feel.
Speaker 1: It makes practical sense to get it out of here,
Speaker 1: get it out. I'm very practical.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love my wife tells me that all the time.
Speaker 2: I think about how much money you're David, And then
Speaker 2: you can get that guy with the bunker suggestion free membership.
Speaker 2: There's just saved you two billion bucks at putting costs
Speaker 2: over the course of the year.
Speaker 1: All right, better than most.
Speaker 3: Would the Buck Club ever consider opening its future doors
Speaker 3: for public play once a month or twice a month
Speaker 3: or some sort of regularity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, We've been talking about this a lot lately. I
Speaker 4: think it would be cool to do some sort of
Speaker 4: a lottery system to where you could open it up
Speaker 4: on you know, special occasions or whatever. I don't know
Speaker 4: how often you would do it.
Speaker 1: What what what did.
Speaker 4: We talk about today?
Speaker 1: I don't know. You could do it a couple of
Speaker 1: times a year. You get them like that night, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Have cabins, so you do like the whole experience where
Speaker 2: they come staying in the cabins play, So it would
Speaker 2: only be like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Fifty guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you did that a couple like
Speaker 4: a couple times a year.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna do the closed on Monday's thing.
Speaker 4: I don't know, uh man, I'm kind of up in
Speaker 4: the air on that stuff. It's like you only have
Speaker 4: like a seven or eight month season out here, so
Speaker 4: it's like you probably want to play as much as
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 1: I'm out of closed on Mondays, I'm out. I don't
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: Maybe we close on Sundays up here.
Speaker 2: Oh throwback, No, I'm just kidding. The Lonery systems cool,
Speaker 2: it's kind of really it's kind of got a Wally
Speaker 2: Walk vide to it. You gotta figure figure out what
Speaker 2: your golden tickets are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be sick. I think it'd be cool if
Speaker 1: you had them bring out a group too. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You never know, you know, you never know who's going
Speaker 4: to come out by the house. Yeah, you never know
Speaker 4: who's going to come out and just absolutely fall in
Speaker 4: love with the place. And I want to want to
Speaker 4: be in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if not, I mean they go play once and
Speaker 2: they got their photos and they tell the story.
Speaker 3: Top one hundred chasers sign up exactly. Let's say, uh,
Speaker 3: let's go with here. Overrated, Underrated. I haven't played here,
Speaker 3: so you guys, this is you guys.
Speaker 1: Overrated, Underrated, abandon dammed, whole resort golf experience you go first.
Speaker 4: I played a couple of the courses up there. I've
Speaker 4: played all of them in it underrated, I think. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's so rated, so many people have rated it,
Speaker 4: but like.
Speaker 2: That's probably among the most fun I've ever had played golf.
Speaker 2: I mean, part of that was company, and part of
Speaker 2: that was the weird weather that we had. It was
Speaker 2: like thirty five on our winds for four straight days.
Speaker 2: But I think part of the deal so fun, and
Speaker 2: it's so there's just no distractions. That's that's like one
Speaker 2: you want to eat, you don't even want to like
Speaker 2: do anything else.
Speaker 1: You just want to play golf all day. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what that's what they set you up to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a cool it's a cool place, so I'd
Speaker 4: probably say underrated, But that's that's the whole point. It's
Speaker 4: like you're there to play golf, like you're not going
Speaker 4: to abandon to do anything else basically, So I mean
Speaker 4: it just sets up perfectly to have fun, especially if
Speaker 4: you have the right crew up there, and it's like.
Speaker 1: You know, you just don't have to think about anything
Speaker 1: when you get there except by golf. You get. They
Speaker 1: got the shuttles running around.
Speaker 2: That you you just walk out of your front door,
Speaker 2: jump on a shuttle. It takes you to the driving range,
Speaker 2: it takes you to the golf course, it takes you
Speaker 2: to the restaurant takes It's nice.
Speaker 4: How everything's right there too. Yeah, you know, you stay
Speaker 4: at nice places. It's perfect. Its scenic, The courses are great,
Speaker 4: and I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just so fun.
Speaker 4: A couple of greens just a little over the top,
Speaker 4: but other than that, solid giant What was your huting course? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Which ones?
Speaker 5: Did you?
Speaker 1: That used to be?
Speaker 4: When I went up there, that was a driving range
Speaker 4: and they've turned it into a putting course.
Speaker 1: Giant course. It's so big, jumbo jumpo.
Speaker 4: What is it called.
Speaker 1: I think they drink, which is pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It's great. There's a waitress walking around like taking order. Seriously,
Speaker 2: it's awesome. I think I might have to go up there.
Speaker 1: One of these days.
Speaker 2: I would go up I think we go as somebody
Speaker 2: who talked about golf courses for a living, you should
Speaker 2: get abandon from.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 2: I think that there's been enough noise about it that
Speaker 2: I got more important places.
Speaker 1: You try to other play readers.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying.
Speaker 2: You know, DJ tried to only play Morris's I did,
Speaker 2: I would say GB, and I was only playing Morris's.
Speaker 1: How was the Sam Andrews experience? What did? What did you? What?
Speaker 1: What would you say? You went into it thinking that
Speaker 1: changed when he came.
Speaker 4: Out of it?
Speaker 1: I mean I said it on Twitter when I got DOWNE.
Speaker 1: I mean I was trying.
Speaker 2: I was sitting just like looking at my phone, trying
Speaker 2: to come up with some profound thing to say about
Speaker 2: the experience, and I mean it kind of hit me up,
Speaker 2: like what the hell am I going to say? That
Speaker 2: hasn't been said by everybody else? And it's one of
Speaker 2: those things that I mean, you read books about it,
Speaker 2: you read whatever, you read everything about it, you watch
Speaker 2: everybody play, you hear people talk about it, and I
Speaker 2: don't think it's anything that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to explain. I don't know that
Speaker 2: there was anything that really click that I didn't know
Speaker 2: or think of or whatever. It's just it just reaffirms
Speaker 2: what you've just heard constantly. I mean, the one thing
Speaker 2: I think I was talking to Zach about today was
Speaker 2: the bunkers some of the I mean, the bunkers are amazing.
Speaker 1: The bunkers are you know, you get out there and
Speaker 1: we're talking about it.
Speaker 2: There's some weird bunker at three eighty that you're like,
Speaker 2: why does this exist?
Speaker 1: And then the wind changes or whatever.
Speaker 2: You I mean, you can you could see how they
Speaker 2: would come into play on weird days. But the other
Speaker 2: thing is that I don't think you can really get
Speaker 2: from photos or from washing on TV. Is you get
Speaker 2: out there and you're you turn around and you look
Speaker 2: back and you kind of think about how it was
Speaker 2: set up to play the other way, and you start
Speaker 2: looking at where some of the bunkers are set up
Speaker 2: for playing it backwards and stuff, and it just it's
Speaker 2: just so cool, man. It's just everything about it is cool.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 4: When I went out there, when I played there last
Speaker 4: year for the Dunhill Links, which is like the sickest
Speaker 4: tournament ever, to put it in perspective, I was hitting
Speaker 4: drives into the wind like two forty five, and I
Speaker 4: was hitting them downwind like three sixty. So that's the
Speaker 4: That's where you see those bunkers where you're like, why
Speaker 4: would they ever have that there? And then you get
Speaker 4: it on the next day with the opposite wind, and
Speaker 4: you are in that bunker and you're just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's that's why it's there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: You go from hitting a two hundred and forty yard
Speaker 4: drive on a hole to driving the green the next day,
Speaker 4: and you're just like, this is insane. That place is
Speaker 4: like that place has got width.
Speaker 1: Like mad width.
Speaker 2: That is well the kind of related on that. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just in a really cool way. It's just madness.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Out there, Like it's like there's just like traffic running
Speaker 2: all over the place out there. You know, like obviously
Speaker 2: there's like the crossholes of seven and eleven, But how
Speaker 2: sick is that?
Speaker 1: I cool?
Speaker 2: Next, I mean, you're just if you don't know what
Speaker 2: you're doing, or you're you're kind of looking off in
Speaker 2: the distance or something, but you can walk right in
Speaker 2: front of a tea boxes, guys are teeing off.
Speaker 1: There's you hit a shot.
Speaker 2: You all of a sudden, you see someone come over
Speaker 2: the hill and you're there's people are shouting all day.
Speaker 2: It's just it is complete mad all the double greens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard rumors that the RNA is.
Speaker 3: Thinking about implementing a no texting while playing policy because
Speaker 3: it's becoming a problem.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: People walking in front of greens and I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see what they do with that new
Speaker 4: pond they're putting on seventeen there though, big water feature.
Speaker 1: It's a fountain, right, yeah, well it should be nice
Speaker 1: because you can see which way the wind's going.
Speaker 4: And it'll be cool for the guys at the Old
Speaker 4: Course Hotel to kind of look out and have the fountain.
Speaker 1: Beautiful and other news. I have heard that and I
Speaker 1: can't trolley.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the water features, I think it was our
Speaker 2: guy Micah push Daddy and him and Tron and Sean
Speaker 2: Martin and all these guys were getting there was this
Speaker 2: poor follower there. I tweeted something and these guys were joking,
Speaker 2: Oh man, this guy just bit the whole just hook
Speaker 2: glide and sinker out the whole thing. And Mike is
Speaker 2: tweeting about how dumb it is that you have to
Speaker 2: hit over the hotel and how wind is stupid.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't like going there, and it was so goodicatrolling.
Speaker 2: It was dope.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I look at I look at the Old
Speaker 4: Course basically every day I'm home, you know, Yeah, big
Speaker 4: posters right up in the office.
Speaker 1: It's just so cool.
Speaker 4: It's definitely an inspiration.
Speaker 1: What's the best baker at the old Course?
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's so many, Like we talked about that.
Speaker 4: You're just like, why is that there? And I found
Speaker 4: out on a few of them minutes.
Speaker 1: Is there any shot I'm surprises out there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sixty there, man, I'm trying to think there's one
Speaker 4: that's just like so bad. Okay, twelve there's a bunker
Speaker 4: like right in the middle of the fairway. It's kind
Speaker 4: of one of the questionable holes out there where you're.
Speaker 1: Like, that's a good one where you're looking back the
Speaker 1: other way.
Speaker 4: You're yeah, so there's this bunker at like two thirty
Speaker 4: or like two twenty, and a lot of guys like
Speaker 4: hit it left in the gorse or you know, in
Speaker 4: the heather over there just to not be in this bunker,
Speaker 4: or you hit like a five iron off the tee
Speaker 4: or whatever. So I was in the practice rounds playing
Speaker 4: and we were just we had it like a little
Speaker 4: down breeze and we were just like pumping it over
Speaker 4: that bunker, getting it way down there and then I
Speaker 4: got in the tournament and it was a little different wind,
Speaker 4: and like I said, dude, the bunker was two twenty
Speaker 4: or something to carry, and I just flushed one right
Speaker 4: in the lip of it. And it was just like,
Speaker 4: never even crossed my mind that that bunker would have
Speaker 4: been in play and I had to chip out like
Speaker 4: dead backwards.
Speaker 1: Not good, not good at all. Uh.
Speaker 3: Drew nan Zinsky has got an interesting question. I'm very
Speaker 3: curious about this. How many round have you did?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 3: Have you logged in twenty seventeen do you have? I
Speaker 3: mean he's got you for thirty five plus events and
Speaker 3: all your other rounds. You gotta be one fifty plus.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean I play a lot of golf.
Speaker 4: I have no idea though, I mean I don't keep tracking.
Speaker 1: Have you when was the last time you took like
Speaker 1: a week off? This was it? Right now? You're still
Speaker 1: playing though? Like hitting shots? Yeah, man, that's hard.
Speaker 4: I usually try and like after the.
Speaker 2: You don't do that tour players where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't go, I don't even touch a club.
Speaker 4: You hear so many people.
Speaker 1: Say that it's just like, man, I didn't even touch
Speaker 1: a club.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hear people say that all the time,
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, it's like, it's your job. You
Speaker 4: didn't touch it at all one percent?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's fake when people say that? Really?
Speaker 4: For sure, I didn't touch it four weeks.
Speaker 3: That was like Jason Day a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: said that he didn't touch a club after the FedEx
Speaker 3: Cup Finale, the Tour Championship until like Hyundai. And I
Speaker 3: talked to one of one of my buddies, one of
Speaker 3: my buddies, buddy caddies at Fantage Club and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: Dave was like day, spent like ten hours a day
Speaker 3: at the Chicken Green.
Speaker 4: We had a kid, We had a kid in Utah.
Speaker 1: This is a true story.
Speaker 4: I won't name any names, but we did the same thing.
Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, man, I haven't played forever. I
Speaker 4: haven't been practicing or anything. Then we saw his like
Speaker 4: wife at lunch or something, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's been out at you know, Thanksgiving point hitting balls
Speaker 4: like every day. And we were just like what he
Speaker 4: told us, like he hasn't hit balls and like it's
Speaker 4: very hips or things. I think, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 4: one of those things or people say it because they
Speaker 4: think it might sound cool or whatever, and I'm just
Speaker 4: like it, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think it sounds like that cool. It's like I
Speaker 1: would rather hear somebody like, yeah, I went and played
Speaker 1: like a sick course. Like it's watching golf on TV thing.
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, I don't watch golf on TV. I'm
Speaker 1: I bet you probably do. I bet you do.
Speaker 4: I'm out on that. I'm out on both of those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should be watching nine Bridges right now, is
Speaker 3: it on?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't watch golf whenever. Oh man, he's not
Speaker 1: touching the club. He's just getting away for the game.
Speaker 1: We need to see that.
Speaker 4: I'm designing golf courses and playing thirty six a day.
Speaker 2: He was surrounded by four hundred golf clubs and paintings
Speaker 2: and books.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just would need to get away from the game,
Speaker 1: man game, the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some people, you know, some people, like I said,
Speaker 4: I think it's a ninety percent thing. I think there
Speaker 4: are legitimately some guys that they probably do do that.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe some more of the guys that have
Speaker 4: families and andy.
Speaker 2: Are you over under eleven rounds in twenty seventeen. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: I have taken some substantial breaks out.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it seems like you're traveling all over
Speaker 1: the place. We never get to play well.
Speaker 3: Recently, I've been out of Binge. I've played a lot
Speaker 3: of really good golf lately.
Speaker 1: But the wedding. The wedding wasn't.
Speaker 4: Where does where does TVC stack up with some of
Speaker 4: these spots you've been playing dirt.
Speaker 2: Golf just just in general, aditional you know, we're all
Speaker 2: I feel like we're on the same favorite kind of
Speaker 2: post conditioning though. Yeah, it's all about the layout out
Speaker 2: there today.
Speaker 1: I mean it real slow, but I've had a good time.
Speaker 1: I'm just all about hitting golf shops. You know what
Speaker 1: I loved about. What I loved about the conditioning is that,
Speaker 1: like you road cross, it's sustainable.
Speaker 5: Far you you read about all you know, golf's a
Speaker 5: game of luck, and.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you you get some weird bouth.
Speaker 4: We went back to definition.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's gonna be even better. Yeah, we're we're picking up
Speaker 1: cups in the morning at like five thirty.
Speaker 4: I think we got to do better. I think we
Speaker 4: got to find I have a shovel and we'll be
Speaker 4: able to dig a couple of those cups.
Speaker 1: A little better.
Speaker 2: Ane of those army trench shovels that we can just
Speaker 2: put them the golf there.
Speaker 4: Hey, when you were ever in Scotland, did you see
Speaker 4: any of those like old relic clubs that were made
Speaker 4: to hit out of? Oh yeah, buggy tracks.
Speaker 2: There's a guy in Chicago that's not that far from Andy,
Speaker 2: How sick are those? Has a collection of those and
Speaker 2: he's got just like all the weird all the weird
Speaker 2: clubs ever made. And Yeah, I get to go shout
Speaker 2: out Goffer's journal, coming story about him in there, Golfer Journal, Friend.
Speaker 1: Of the Pod, friend of the pod, friend of the cause.
Speaker 4: Coffers, I'm a founding member.
Speaker 3: I got two stories in the next one. Yeah, community
Speaker 3: president too much. I let that in the freight of
Speaker 3: the yucles no platform.
Speaker 4: How about the building the butt club story, that's gonna
Speaker 4: be dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of good stuff. Figure that.
Speaker 4: I think we need to throw out a little teaser
Speaker 4: video of some sort of aerial to kind of let
Speaker 4: people just we can do a snippet, we'll get a glimpse.
Speaker 1: So Barry w.
Speaker 3: Another friend of the Yeah, he's got a question. Is
Speaker 3: there not a paradox of part quote unquote being just
Speaker 3: a number to the non tournament enjoyment and contextual reward
Speaker 3: of playing individual holes by extension a whole course. Well,
Speaker 3: so you know you need something to judge that you're
Speaker 3: playing well. If you never knowingly make a birdie, doesn't
Speaker 3: golf lose a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of its purpose and fun if based on an eighteen
Speaker 2: hole shot.
Speaker 4: Count I kind of think so a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of on both sides, really well thought out point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a like that was a long question. Switch
Speaker 1: it was it was it was be a message. He
Speaker 1: wrote you a letter. Yeah, I have another letter too.
Speaker 1: I guess I get letters.
Speaker 4: There were some times where I thought about doing something
Speaker 4: like that with TBC and not doing a par and
Speaker 4: just go out and you make what you make. But
Speaker 4: there is that kind of I don't know how to
Speaker 4: explain it, but you know, sometimes when you get up
Speaker 4: on the last hole and it's a par five and
Speaker 4: you're trying to make an egal, you know you're not
Speaker 4: trying to make a three trying to I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 2: There's also the weird coolness of I mean, par just
Speaker 2: forces people to do stupid stuff, which is fun. Agreed,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, like the there's I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna throw out spiccause nobody's gonna know.
Speaker 1: What the hell we're talking about.
Speaker 2: But there's a couple holes that we're looking at today
Speaker 2: that are I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's stupid and it shouldn't be the case.
Speaker 2: But because you say this is part three, I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 2: all right, better or not up and hit one hit
Speaker 2: one down there then whereas the field was a part four,
Speaker 2: I laid back, you know, and it's just it's so stupid,
Speaker 2: but everybody does it, and it's just it's kind of great.
Speaker 4: The three and twenty yard b that's par three down.
Speaker 1: I was dogging on Balion Eels putting green.
Speaker 3: I can give them props here because what I what
Speaker 3: they do that I love No te.
Speaker 1: Markers see you play from whatever tea you want. Well,
Speaker 1: they have par but no t markers. See I was
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 4: I was in on that originally too, But at the
Speaker 4: same time I read all this stuff on like Golden
Speaker 4: age guys wanting you to play from a specific place,
Speaker 4: and that's why they put things in certain spots and
Speaker 4: bunkers in certain positions, because that's the look they wanted
Speaker 4: to give you. So if you have the ability to
Speaker 4: play from anywhere you want, you get to manipulate what
Speaker 4: the architect was intending you to play.
Speaker 2: I do like I'm a fan of the wide I'm
Speaker 2: a fan of the shallow but wide tea boxes and
Speaker 2: being able to co change at angles.
Speaker 4: About what about the TBC double T box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for that triple T box, like fifty.
Speaker 4: Yards wide, goes for two holes. That's the videos we
Speaker 4: should post and you can peg it anywhere.
Speaker 1: I should post the triple T box video. It's so good.
Speaker 1: The uh so, my thing with Parr it is more so.
Speaker 1: I would say it's more so for.
Speaker 3: The professional game is that the game is fundamentally changed
Speaker 3: because of technology, both course technology like club technology, ball technology,
Speaker 3: where like courses aren't part seventy twos that are seventy twos,
Speaker 3: like they just aren't so like like the US Open
Speaker 3: this year because of the weather conditions and technology, like
Speaker 3: they had four part fives, but everybody a lot of
Speaker 3: people were getting home.
Speaker 2: Into Well yeah, I think it's I think it's just
Speaker 2: that perception hasn't caught up to reality.
Speaker 1: Looking people see a five hundred and fifty yard gold.
Speaker 1: Look at what happened when you try to call it
Speaker 1: a part four, everyone freaks out.
Speaker 2: Even know realistically, look at what happened with seven hundred,
Speaker 2: seven hundred yard part five? Is what a five hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty yard part five twenty years ago?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but look at what happened with baseball steroids? Okay, Like,
Speaker 3: so you had steroids and all these records were broken,
Speaker 3: there were no good pictures, and then there are no
Speaker 3: steroids now and it's like it's back to normal, Like
Speaker 3: guys had forty over runs.
Speaker 1: There are great errors. It's like thirty five is like
Speaker 1: a really great power year. And those steroids, yeah, there
Speaker 1: are any.
Speaker 3: The guys aren't taking steroids, so pitching is back, Like
Speaker 3: pictures are dominating again because guys aren't juicing. Like if
Speaker 3: you take away the juicing, like all of sudden, scores
Speaker 3: would go up.
Speaker 1: So how do you do that in golf? You roll
Speaker 1: all the technology back. That's tough, it is, it won't
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: But like technology is essentially the steroid or a baseball
Speaker 3: is the golf. That's why we saw so many record
Speaker 3: breaking scores every year, like this year we're gonna see
Speaker 3: five four or five.
Speaker 1: Scores in fifty.
Speaker 4: What's your what's your thoughts on that? If you can't
Speaker 4: roll back technology, what do you do either to build
Speaker 4: courses or what do you do to defend courses?
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I just think that people you should just lower the
Speaker 3: like if you want to keep the scoring records and
Speaker 3: the under par over par criteria, you just.
Speaker 1: Think courses par sixty seven, sixty eight. It almost seems
Speaker 1: like it's not as fun.
Speaker 2: It almost seems like you're gonna get to a point
Speaker 2: where you have to if you don't buy for Kate equipment,
Speaker 2: you have to buy for Kate courses, where like we've
Speaker 2: seen it basically with the US Opening the last how
Speaker 2: many of the last I mean, how many of the
Speaker 2: last ten or I don't know, seven to ten US
Speaker 2: Open courses were built US.
Speaker 4: Chambers Aaron Hills. I mean, I think I feel like
Speaker 4: it was more. I mean Oakland was not. I don't
Speaker 4: think at least I.
Speaker 2: Can double check that still even those two and maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe that's a bad point, but it
Speaker 2: kind of feels like it just feels I mean, there's
Speaker 2: an economic reality where you can't just keep stretching out.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I have the funniest story I'm gonna tell you guys,
Speaker 4: but it's it's hilarious, it's about it's about an upcoming
Speaker 4: US Open site. It's just dude, I gotta tell you
Speaker 4: guys now.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of spiraling on that take. It's good.
Speaker 4: This was unbelievable because of the coincidence of all the
Speaker 4: stuff that had to go on for this story to
Speaker 4: be crazy and funny. So I was out at the
Speaker 4: Utah Open. I was playing a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 4: but touch a glob. But before my round I went
Speaker 4: out to watch a couple of my friends.
Speaker 1: Sounds like that's a pretty cavalier.
Speaker 4: And my dad caddied for me before his rounds and
Speaker 4: I caddied for him too. Seems like that.
Speaker 1: After my round one, I think Tron might need to
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 4: Totally legal. We had we had people call in about it,
Speaker 4: but it was fine.
Speaker 1: But anyways, back to the story. So I'm out there watching.
Speaker 4: And this guy comes up to me and goes kind
Speaker 4: of you know, gets on that type of subject. He goes, Zach,
Speaker 4: what do you think about? And meanwhile, this guy he's
Speaker 4: not like doesn't have probably the highest golf IQ. He's
Speaker 4: just there to watch whatever. And he's like, Zach, what
Speaker 4: do you think about you know, the USGA trying to
Speaker 4: make all these courses like British Opens and you know,
Speaker 4: building all these courses and playing all these courses with
Speaker 4: these wide fairways and this fescue grass everywhere.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm just sitting there, going, where is
Speaker 1: this going?
Speaker 4: And he goes and I hear next year they're going
Speaker 4: to this place, Shanook Hills.
Speaker 1: What is that about?
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, no, Lie, I'm wearing a Shinnacock shirt just with
Speaker 4: the Indian head on it. I mean, he's got no idea,
Speaker 4: and I'm just sitting there laughing, going, you know, Chinook's
Speaker 4: a top five course in the in the States, so
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it'll be all right. But it
Speaker 4: was just hilarious.
Speaker 1: Shinooka type of fish.
Speaker 4: I don't know, dude. Literally I was dying laughing when
Speaker 4: he said that. And the fact that I was wearing
Speaker 4: the Shinnacock shirt was just like next level. The poor guy,
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: It's all right, you guys want to do some overrated underrators,
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Sunday Bags.
Speaker 4: Underrated, very underrated, shout out to uh, make some kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fully online, I'm fully online. I'm fully awake
Speaker 2: because this is a funny story. So I brought DJ
Speaker 2: to the Renaissance Cup for sure.
Speaker 1: We're in the parking.
Speaker 3: Lot of the Renaissance Cuff is like Tom Doak's event,
Speaker 3: and the invites like all architects and people of the industry.
Speaker 3: So it's a lot of architecturally woke people. And DJ
Speaker 3: mottles out of his travel bag. We have the name
Speaker 3: of the bag, a Bull Valley golf Club bag. And
Speaker 3: I look at it and I go, dude, you can't
Speaker 3: use that bag here? And uh and he goes, yet,
Speaker 3: I took up my wife. I had a Sunday bag
Speaker 3: in my back and my trunk with all my wife's clubs,
Speaker 3: you know, and I just took it out.
Speaker 1: You gotta use this. And then he got on the
Speaker 1: Sunday Bag wagon.
Speaker 3: Haven't looked back, walk back to win it, win it,
Speaker 3: Bull Valley bag, hasn't men und full of I got.
Speaker 4: I got a good share of Sunday bags, wide share.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The bags that one Buck Club one pretty sick
Speaker 1: three of them. Yeah, that's the original though.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Links and Kings.
Speaker 3: All right, Jimmy logus overrated, underrated golfing in a missy rain.
Speaker 4: So my whole over last Yeah yeah, my whole thing
Speaker 4: is like I play enough and where I have to
Speaker 4: play and stuff like that that I'm not about, like
Speaker 4: going out and playing in terrible.
Speaker 1: Weather misty rain, not not hard rain, misty. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: say overrated. I was when I was in Ireland.
Speaker 2: It was doing that all day and the caddies were
Speaker 2: kind of like, hey, you know, ship man, sorry didn't
Speaker 2: get better weather. And at first I'm kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm in Ireland, like this is kind of
Speaker 2: what I'm looking for, and it's like the seventh pole
Speaker 2: of like this fucking sucks. This is awful.
Speaker 1: It doesn't.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's just a nuisance. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 4: do I get the umbrella out?
Speaker 3: I I don't think he's talking about that.
Speaker 1: It was miss ray. I trust me, I know exactly
Speaker 1: what he was talking about. Jimmy disagreed with you. That's
Speaker 1: what I likes it.
Speaker 4: Wait, so he asked if it's overrated and underrated, and
Speaker 4: then he gave his tail.
Speaker 1: I kind of like it.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: Those things overrated, underrated.
Speaker 2: Johnny Miller, commenting on Zach's demo shots Monday morning, I
Speaker 2: don't know what.
Speaker 1: That means, have no idea what that means. Do you
Speaker 1: know what that means?
Speaker 4: We had a cougar day out at Riverside the other day.
Speaker 1: Inside question, I guess whatever Johnny does.
Speaker 2: Underrated, overrated, underrated, sand based lamb.
Speaker 4: I think I think, what'd you say?
Speaker 1: I said? Underrated? I think it's overrated.
Speaker 4: Probably.
Speaker 1: I think it's underrated because like.
Speaker 3: The vast majority of the greatest golf course in the
Speaker 3: world belt on it.
Speaker 4: So but I feel like now you can do a
Speaker 4: good job of replicating that.
Speaker 1: It's still not the same.
Speaker 4: All Right, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think you eat.
Speaker 4: You can't agree on everyone, right, I'll take the hit there.
Speaker 1: Two iron overrated and underrated? Dave? Well, what just the
Speaker 1: question was too iron to day the day Dames Dave
Speaker 1: was the name.
Speaker 2: And his it's just two iron overrated and underrated. I
Speaker 2: think overrated, so overrated? Why would you try and do
Speaker 2: stuff that's harder? Yeah, that's that goes back to that
Speaker 2: same thing. It's like I played two iron, but if
Speaker 2: the same sounds cool, but at the same time, like
Speaker 2: playing Person and Driver, which was another thing we got
Speaker 2: to do with the Renaissance Cup, way underrated and that's
Speaker 2: way harder, but it's so much fun. But the two
Speaker 2: Iron is weirdly not. It doesn't feel like the same
Speaker 2: thing to me.
Speaker 4: That Person and Driver I hit still went far Hey,
Speaker 4: same thing though. I told you guys about the I
Speaker 4: told you guys about the wound Ball. I was playing
Speaker 4: the other day the Ballata. It was like literally five
Speaker 4: yards behind my drives.
Speaker 1: You should give shout out to ball Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out to uh wound Ball Wednesday at TBC.
Speaker 4: Come out with the old school ballatas.
Speaker 2: Dude, the old school blatas crosswind, firm and fast conditions.
Speaker 1: You find yourself in some bad spots out there. You
Speaker 1: can get cold sideways quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll be definitely, you know, we'll definitely have to
Speaker 4: figure out some bunkers for wound Ball Wednesday where you're like,
Speaker 4: why is that there? And then you get there Wednesday
Speaker 4: and they're like, here, here's your here's your sleep of bunker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 3: You should You should also buy eighteen percent and Driver
Speaker 3: or like fourteen thirteen percent drivers.
Speaker 1: Put them on all the tea boxes.
Speaker 4: Put them in the comfort station, dude, the San Hollow
Speaker 4: down in Saint George. They have the links course, and
Speaker 4: they have the like I don't know, replica balls that
Speaker 4: you can play with, like hickories and persimmons. It's pretty sick.
Speaker 1: Over under it.
Speaker 2: Bunkerless holes, Oh, we're talking about that this week. That's
Speaker 2: an anonymous gunner.
Speaker 4: I think they're probably underrated. You don't see them too often,
Speaker 4: at least you don't see great ones too often, so
Speaker 4: good bunkerless holes.
Speaker 1: Future on the skill is going to be a bunkerless hole.
Speaker 1: I'm no, no, I'm on board. Underrated. We got any
Speaker 1: bunkerless at TBC?
Speaker 4: I mean you think you could do bunker liss anyone's you.
Speaker 1: Can think of right off the top of your head where.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking the double punch bowl Mmm could be one that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got the right down the room day a.
Speaker 4: Dam But that doesn't that doesn't count for that hole.
Speaker 3: I think you want to do bunkers on those. You
Speaker 3: got some really good spots foot bunkers there. That's not
Speaker 3: the one.
Speaker 4: That's not the one.
Speaker 3: You know what one?
Speaker 4: You don't want it? Hey, the hole where you want
Speaker 4: the shotgun bunker could be a decent one with no bunkers.
Speaker 1: Dude, you can't take the shotgun surprise.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you that could
Speaker 4: be a cool Pull the green just you know sits
Speaker 4: right to left, have this huge collection area off to
Speaker 4: the left. If you miss it, you pull a drive,
Speaker 4: it goes down there and you just you just live
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 1: It's heartbroken. You're killing the shotgun surprise.
Speaker 4: I'll keep it.
Speaker 2: I'll find another shotgun surprise. I'm gonna move on in
Speaker 2: that bunker. I've heard it's not on the panel. Over
Speaker 2: under shoes Versus regular lyces what what is it? My
Speaker 2: stupid ass click on shoes. I'm out. I'm so.
Speaker 1: I actually hate them. I can't wait until next year.
Speaker 1: I only buy one pair of some sneakers.
Speaker 4: Bro, I'm sure, but Joy can hook it up.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting crooked like that.
Speaker 3: I've got one pair of shoes every year, and I
Speaker 3: just wear the ship out of them so that by
Speaker 3: the time this time every year, they look like.
Speaker 1: I just don't get the Yeah, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say overrated. Just leave it there. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: Just ti your shoes, you know. Yeah, I just don't
Speaker 1: get what. I don't get the point I will see.
Speaker 4: I will sell lasers, the one where you just step
Speaker 4: in and they just look back.
Speaker 1: To the futures. Yeah. I will say this about laces.
Speaker 1: My last pair of my last pair of shoes, I
Speaker 1: had these echoes and my laces broke.
Speaker 4: Oh not good.
Speaker 1: So I went to the I went to like golfsmith
Speaker 1: rip shot gofm. Yeah, they're closed.
Speaker 4: Out right, reverse shoutout, and so they had echo lass wow.
Speaker 3: But they had two sizes, and I was looking I
Speaker 3: looked at them for literally like ten minutes. I'm looking
Speaker 3: at these two boxes of laces.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, and I eventually settle the well,
Speaker 2: the other ones must be for women's. So I got
Speaker 2: I put these laces and I put them in and
Speaker 2: they were like massive laces.
Speaker 1: They were so long.
Speaker 5: So then I had to like quadruple not them, and
Speaker 5: they still looked like bugs bunny, Like they were like
Speaker 5: bugs bunny your laces and they literally would get caught
Speaker 5: on my spikes.
Speaker 4: So you just.
Speaker 2: Rebounded to the complete opposite no LASiS, Yeah, you know lass,
Speaker 2: I went to the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: I respect that you guys got anything else? I got
Speaker 1: nothing else.
Speaker 4: I'm out.
Speaker 1: What's a format tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Stroke play?
Speaker 1: Keep it metal?
Speaker 4: I think we go back to the roots, right. We
Speaker 4: could do a little match play, just like a round
Speaker 4: robin match. Each person plays each person on each hall,
Speaker 4: love it and then throw in some wolf hammer.
Speaker 1: How do you as as it's just that you get
Speaker 1: it inside the flagstick.
Speaker 4: And I think anything inside the flagstick's good. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean unless the super got out there.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow might I might do some more telling tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I think you know what I have in the garage.
Speaker 4: I have one of those things that you you just
Speaker 4: roll and it like picks up the weeds. It would
Speaker 4: be nice to do that putts and then you just
Speaker 4: whack it and hopefully it goes in. I think I
Speaker 4: think we should play stymies, just throw it way back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I actually Shackleford or poor Ath brought this up for
Speaker 3: my mail bag one about Stymy's and match play, and
Speaker 3: I'm convinced I'm in Symy.
Speaker 1: Bring it back. If you're playing a head to head match,
Speaker 1: you should be able to.
Speaker 4: Stymy the other person be sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Oh, could you imagine? I think
Speaker 1: the joy the gd of Stymy something.
Speaker 4: Maybe what they should do for the President's cut totally,
Speaker 4: anything that injects.
Speaker 1: More drama or more you know, like more like personal drama,
Speaker 1: like people going head to head.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you who wouldn't be who wouldn't be happy
Speaker 2: about that? The Superintendent's Association of America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people chipping on greens Man that could get ugly
Speaker 3: at our municipal facilities.
Speaker 2: Might have to call in a special architect. How bad
Speaker 2: would just like the general public plague staves be? Could
Speaker 2: you imagine just like just Joe Blow played like a
Speaker 2: two dollars NASA, just Styby his buddy's on every old
Speaker 2: He's out of the hole.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, Steiby.
Speaker 3: Do you think Steynys would cause more physical altercations.
Speaker 4: When we played Style was wild?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean just the stuff that happened. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're getting in fights with your friends because they're doing that.
Speaker 4: Stuff'd be crazy, all right, Stymy's area Steymis are in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Winter rules are also though Steys have always been
Speaker 2: cool with me, It's true, all right, half a good
Speaker 2: night everybody.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm I don't know when I'm gonna post this, but
Speaker 2: SHOT's dope.
Speaker 1: S's dope. Alright, let you guys flitter shoots mmmm