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Speaker 2: We all go through hurdles in life, and my goal

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Speaker 2: Sarah's energy is electric in full transparency. I learned of

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Speaker 2: Ironically enough, I am exactly what she guessed that I

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's such a there's such a beautiful opportunity

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Speaker 1: totally back and forth and she helped me out. She

436
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Speaker 1: helped me like make a decision. We are not even

437
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Speaker 1: on the same team, we are like competing closely against

438
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Speaker 1: each other, and like she's someone who's like me, you know,

439
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't withhold that information for my

440
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: personal gain and some people do. And you just kind

441
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Speaker 1: of have to like suss out who that is. So

442
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: it's those sorts of things have been like a huge

443
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: learning for me in the pro field.

444
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: And it goes back to that idea also of how

445
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: you feel about yourself when you're by yourself, Like would

446
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: you rather be the person that's there to lift each

447
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: other up and lift somebody else up? Or would you

448
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: rather be the person that's so busy saucing out the

449
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: competition that like does the win feel as good if

450
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: you're only in it for you?

451
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure.

452
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: Oh totally. And it's so it's so interesting. I mean, man,

453
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: I should have gone into like sociology or something. I

454
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: find sport like fascinating, and cycling specifically because like, well

455
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: we're racing with men also, which like we can get

456
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: into like that whole thing. But like it is, I

457
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: don't know, I think in a lot of ways, like

458
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: competition brings out these like this like weird like primal

459
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: response right with people, and like sometimes it gets kind

460
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: of ugly, but then other times it's really beautiful.

461
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Speaker 2: Too, right, right, like what the unification under the circumstances

462
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: can look like.

463
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Speaker 1: Totally, Like sometimes I look around and I'm like this

464
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: is so silly, Like we all care so much. We're

465
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Speaker 1: in like spandex onesies with like a glorified diaper on

466
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Speaker 1: and we're riding mountain bikes like through the north Woods

467
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin in a torrential downpour. Like I don't know,

468
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: it's just and I'm like, and this is my job, right.

469
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: Right, Like this is what I am here to do today.

470
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: I'm here to wear this glorified diaper in.

471
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Speaker 1: Pod Yeah totally. And we all think we're cool. And

472
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: then I'm like, I just have these moments of like,

473
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: oh no, nope, no one's cool here.

474
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Speaker 3: Sarah, you are cool. You are cool.

475
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Speaker 2: Let's pivot a little bit and talk about deciding to

476
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Speaker 2: go all in on the career change, because I do

477
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: think that this is a topic. I'm sure people have

478
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: message you about it, but it can be really intimidating

479
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: and quite scary to say to yourself. Okay, I have

480
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: worked for this many years and done X and Y

481
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: and Z to get to this place, but you know what,

482
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure that this place serves me anymore.

483
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: So talk us through your decision to lean away from

484
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: graphic design and maybe some of the emotions that we're

485
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Speaker 2: associated with that.

486
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh totally. And I think all of this is

487
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: so relevant right now, just with what we're seeing with

488
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: burnout and what people have learned, you know, through twenty

489
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: twenty and having some time away. And I'm not gonna lie,

490
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: like that totally affected me. Like twenty twenty, like racing stopped,

491
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: like jobs stopped, and I was sort of approaching like

492
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: not burnout, but like definitely I was like feeling like

493
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: the design world like was less and less interesting to me,

494
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't you know, when you're like really excited

495
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: about new stuff, you lose track of time when you're

496
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: like going down a rabbit hole in whatever that is.

497
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: And like design was that for me for a really

498
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: long time, Like and then I got a job as

499
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: a graphic designer, and that that starts to like dim

500
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: the light a little bit, Like I, I don't know

501
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: if you've done your like enneagram before.

502
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: Can I tell you this is like something I'm embarrassed

503
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: about that I haven't done.

504
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: I mean I should.

505
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Speaker 1: I feel as though.

506
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: The listeners are probably like Emily, I feel some right

507
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: away now that I know that you've never done this,

508
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: because I think it's something that I would do, but

509
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: I have been doing so many other things that I've

510
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: never well, I can.

511
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: Give you all all of the information. Actually, my our

512
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: couples therapists suggested it, which like love it it it.

513
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: It is like the coolest thing to learn about your partner.

514
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: Like it is so interesting, especially.

515
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: So for someone who doesn't know what an enneagram is,

516
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: can you tell them what it is?

517
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: So I think there's like nine numbers, and I'm pretty

518
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: sure it's like it's sort of like a biblical thing.

519
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: So if you're into the religion part of it, there

520
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: is that for you. If you are not, I'm not

521
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: like a religious person, so like I kind of went.

522
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: I used this enneagram institute. Dot com is like the

523
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: website for all the information. But basically there's like nine

524
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: types and everyone's like sort of a common nation of

525
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: all of them. But like you show up strongest as

526
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: one of them, and then like you'll have like a

527
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: wing of this in your best moments, and then you'll

528
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: be this in your like worst moments or like places

529
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: of growth, and so it's fascinating. Sometimes it takes people

530
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: a really long time to figure out which number they are.

531
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Speaker 1: I know them all so well that I can like

532
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: tell my friend like, hey, I think you're a six,

533
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: and then they'll like take the whole test or like

534
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: read through all of them and they're like, oh my god,

535
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: you were right, like totally a six.

536
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Speaker 3: Okay, Sarah.

537
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: At the end of this, when we have like another

538
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: like twenty eight minutes to get to know each other

539
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: before I ask you the final question, I'm going to

540
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: ask you to tell me what my enneagram is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good, I love that.

542
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: Okay, keep going though, So why is this relevant to

543
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: your career? Friendship?

544
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: So this is really relevant? So I'm an enthusiast and

545
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: basically which is like a seven or something, but basically

546
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: like the defining part of that for me. And I

547
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: will preface this with I am not into like Myers

548
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: Briggs or like personality tech, Like I don't like any

549
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: of that stuff, but this this felt like super interesting

550
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: to me and like pretty relevant. But basically I'm always

551
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: seeking out the best and newest experiences, which is why,

552
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: like I think add goes into that as well, but

553
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: we can get into that later. But I think once

554
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: something sort of starts to like feel less sparkly and

555
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: interesting to me, which you know, I've learned a lot,

556
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Like I felt like in school as a designer, I

557
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: was like had this like glorified idea of like what

558
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: a designer was. And like, honestly, before I found cycling,

559
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to like move to New

560
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: York City, like be in like art curation, like not

561
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: sport at all. So design balanced with cycling felt like

562
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: a really awesome perfect match for me, and it was.

563
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: And then I got a job and it was still

564
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: sort of exciting, but I had to tweak so many

565
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: things in my mind as to like I mean, when

566
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: you're a designer, you basically like your client or the

567
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: company you work for, Like you are doing designs for

568
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: those people. It's very rarely like for yourself. And that

569
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: was like a really hard thing for me. And over

570
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: the years, like I had some awesome clients and some

571
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: really amazing fun projects and I learned a ton. You know,

572
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: I worked for a company in Durango, saw an acquisition.

573
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: Like I had a whole life before professional athletics, and

574
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm really grateful for that because people who live in Durango,

575
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: especially who are interested in cycling, often they have done

576
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: that thing for a very long time. So I think

577
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: part of the reason I have found success, albeit a

578
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: bit later in life. Like I said, signed with Specialized

579
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: when I was twenty eight, which is late for a

580
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: cyclist but not for women, I guess. And I think

581
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: that really like was important for me because I was

582
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: sort of seeing like I was sort of feeling like

583
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to have a career change anyway with design

584
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: and I had left the company that I was working

585
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: for and I got a job in PR, and I

586
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: was sort of like I was just slowly like phasing

587
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: out of these things and those decisions, Like I remember,

588
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: I had quit this job that I had worked at

589
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: for seven years as a designer, and I had gotten

590
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: another job in PR for an outdoor company, and I

591
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: was driving to my new job and I just cried

592
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: like the whole way there, and I was like, no

593
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: one told me that career changes were so hard and

594
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: really like painful, and it almost it feels like a

595
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: break up, like it's you know, it's the right thing,

596
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: but it feels really wrong and bad, I mean sometimes.

597
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: And then I left that job because I was like, WHOA,

598
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: this is wrong. And then I was like totally lost

599
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: for a while.

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00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say that you were totally lost for

601
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: a while. What did that look like for you?

602
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I knew that the job that I

603
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: had moved into was sort of that stepping stone job

604
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: like I had moved out of, like my main career.

605
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: I knew I needed to do it, but I was

606
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: too scared to just quit and like have nothing else

607
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: lined up. So it was sort of that like baby step,

608
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to jump, you know, sometimes there's no

609
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: baby step to help you, and you just have to

610
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: like peace out and know that like you will figure

611
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: it out, you know, like you can pinch pennies, you

612
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: can budget, you can like live very frugally until you

613
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: figure it out. But like there's a lot of opportunity

614
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: out there, and like something my mom has always told

615
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: me is like we are tough and smart and like

616
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Speaker 1: you figure it out, especially when it's like no other option.

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Speaker 2: The times that I have turned or pivoted within my

654
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: career often had nothing to do with a choice of

655
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: my own. It was getting laid off by a publishing

656
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: company twice and saying to myself, Okay, like what's the

657
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: best I can do with what I have right now?

658
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to that like Enneagram number, Like I

659
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: just I like, I'm such a visual person and I

660
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: can see, like I could visualize my life right now

661
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: as like a fashion designer, you know, and like And

662
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I remember working through this a lot in therapy when

663
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: I was like at my job as a designer, and

664
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: I would like come up with these ideas of like

665
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: I want to be a therapist and then like do

666
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: everything like all of the mental gymnastics and like research

667
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: and then never take that like first step into it.

668
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: And like what I initially like came to terms with

669
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: pretty much just by like living and like continuing to

670
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: like make these decisions. But like if that was actually

671
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: the right move for me, I would have done the

672
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: things to like start setting myself up to do that.

673
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: Like sometimes there is that scary step, but like I

674
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: had to let go of like forcing myself into these

675
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: like ideas that I had had and just like let

676
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: myself just naturally do things that I was interested in.

677
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: And when I was like in that new job that

678
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: I was not super happy with, it was like it

679
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: was only thirty hours a week, so I had an

680
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: extra ten hours a week, and I just rode. I

681
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: rode my bike and I raced. I did like little

682
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: like low cyclo Cross series, and that allowed me to

683
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: like come back. I had quit racing at that point.

684
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: That's a whole other story, but that kind of like

685
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: gave me space to like fill that time with the

686
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: thing that I wanted to do. And apparently that thing

687
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to do was ride my bike and race

688
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: in the way that I wanted to race, not having

689
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: that defined by other people. And I was able to

690
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: put myself in different situations that ultimately allowed me to

691
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: sign a contract.

692
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: This whole conversation that reminds me of a lot of

693
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: takeaways from How Bad Do You Want It? By Matt Fitzgerald.

694
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to like drop that book here

695
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: in case anyone's listening and like wants to think on

696
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: that ten out of Time would recommend. And the next

697
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: thing that you know that I'm gonna have to double

698
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: click on now is why did you stop racing in

699
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: the first place.

700
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I stopped racing because it was not fun

701
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: for me, and I didn't even realize that it wasn't fun.

702
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm just so I'm like so driven, like absolutely to

703
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: a fault where I'm like all right, like I'm doing

704
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: this thing and I'm like I will like be so

705
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: focused on it that I don't even realize like what

706
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: it is that I'm doing in some ways, And like

707
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: you know, I was younger, I was like just out

708
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 1: of college, and collegiate racing was like the most fun

709
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: I'd ever had, And like fun for me is being

710
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: competitive and being like serious in like a lighthearted way,

711
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense. But then I like signed onto

712
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: like a semi pro team, and we raced all around

713
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: the country and I hated it. I was so miserable.

714
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: It was Yeah, I don't know. I've actually connected with

715
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: some of my old teammates and they too had a

716
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: very similar experience on that team, which is interesting because

717
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: a lot of us have actually on I mean, we

718
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: have one of one of my old teammates race is

719
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: like the top Racer and like the Tour de France,

720
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: and like, you know, we have another guy sponsored by

721
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: Red Bull who's in the same series. Like it's crazy,

722
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: like the talent on this team and and how many

723
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: of us felt very similar that, uh to how I felt,

724
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: which was like this is not I know, this is

725
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: like should be enjoyable, but like I'm not having fun.

726
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: And I remember driving home from a race and my

727
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: boyfriend my partner at the time, and well, same same person,

728
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: Dylan told me or asked me, He's like, are you

729
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: having fun doing this? And it didn't even occur to

730
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: me that it that I was not having any fun

731
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't have and that I didn't have to

732
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: do it. That was the craziest part, Like I was

733
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: choosing to do all these things and I didn't have to,

734
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: so I stopped racing and I sold all my race bys,

735
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: and I got this thing called a trail bike, which

736
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: is a mountain bike that's basically meant to like make

737
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: you have fun, like going downhill and uphill, so sometimes

738
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: you have to sacrifice one for the other. But trail

739
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: bikes are awesome, and they're light enough that you have

740
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: fun pedaling up mountains, and they're super stable coming down

741
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: so you don't feel like you're going to die in

742
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: every turn. And that was a huge turning point for me,

743
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: and I would go on these like long rides in

744
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: the mountains with my friends that were super challenging, but

745
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: like there was like no pressure on the situation, Like

746
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: it was just all like about what you could do,

747
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: and like there was no proving yourself, there was no

748
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: finish line, Like it just was purely like about the

749
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: experience that you were having.

750
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first of all, to be able to.

751
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: Take stock of what you were doing and recognize that

752
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: despite it was just because you're used to something doesn't

753
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: mean that you can't pivot. It doesn't mean that you

754
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: can't shift. So to have the level of self awareness

755
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: to say like this isn't fun, and I can get

756
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: out of it. I think oftentimes that change is the

757
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: thing that prevents us from making that pivot.

758
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 3: We're scared of change.

759
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think too. And this was a point

760
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: that I meant to touch on earlier when you asked

761
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: about career change. But it feels like a loss of identity,

762
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, like whether it's your and I see a

763
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: lot of my friends, you know, I'm in my early

764
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: thirties and a lot of my friends are becoming parents

765
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: for the first time, and especially my female friends are like,

766
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, they sort of feel like a loss of

767
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: identity of who they were because like now they're a

768
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: mom or like if you step way as a graphic

769
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: designer like or a cyclist, Like who am I if

770
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: not this thing that I've been, you know, practicing or

771
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: trying to be for X amount of years And it

772
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: really forces you to like actually think about who you

773
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: are and what makes you who you are. And it's

774
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: not always the things that you do, but some I mean,

775
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: it's it's a painful. It's an incredibly painful process, but

776
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: it's something that like I wouldn't trade those moments for anything,

777
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: because I really I think I've learned. I know this

778
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: is so cheesy, but it is really true, Like you

779
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: learn so much more from those low spots than you

780
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: do from like the glory moments.

781
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. That's why the podcast my friend

782
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: is called Hurdle nailed it. Upon making this choice for

783
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: yourself and now five years into it, what would you

784
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: say was the mo moment.

785
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: That you knew that you made the right call?

786
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Oh? I think I kind of knew right away. There

787
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: were like so many moments where I was like, oh

788
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: my gosh, I like cannot believe this is like my life.

789
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: The way that I entered the professional world of cycling

790
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: was like weirdly perfect for me, and it was really

791
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: like a combination of right place at right at the

792
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: right time. So it all felt very serendipitous. But there

793
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: was a new team that was launching it Specialized that

794
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: was focused highly on graphic design and art, which was

795
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: like kind of a dream come true. And our our kits,

796
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: like the our jerseys, our bikes, our helmets, our shoes,

797
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: at like everything was like this beautiful custom design with

798
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: this kind of this brand called ten Speed hero Who

799
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: and they've become like some of my dear friends now

800
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: and they're like sort of a design first company and

801
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: like cycling second, which is awesome, And they partnered with Specialized,

802
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: which is like one of the biggest bike companies in

803
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: the world, and signed myself and my then teammate Ruby West,

804
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: Canadian woman, onto this cycle across team. And I had

805
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: literally never raced professional cycle across. I mean I'd raced

806
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: it before, but I was like everything just felt so

807
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: so like perfect. And that's not to say like there

808
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: were plenty of moments of being calling Dylan in tears

809
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: and like feeling like this was absolutely the wrong the

810
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: wrong move, but like I like I laugh because like

811
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: it's just not like nothing is ever Like like I

812
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: don't think there's ever that like moment of like, oh wow,

813
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: this all just fit perfectly into place and like this

814
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: is how it's meant to be. I think it just

815
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: takes a lot of work to make things feel right,

816
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: and then a lot of self awareness because like sometimes

817
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: when you're putting in that work to make it feel right,

818
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: you are just trying to shove a square peg into

819
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: a round hole, and like sometimes you have to like

820
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: like know that that isn't the way. But for me,

821
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: like with cycling. It did very much feel like, Wow,

822
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I'm really

823
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: grateful and like this is where I am supposed to be.

824
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: What excites you right now?

825
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: My first thought was like accomplishing this season and being done. Okay,

826
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: everything is pretty malleable, Like I have a lot of

827
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: control in like a positive way, Like there's a lot

828
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: of opportunity and I can work as hard as I

829
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: can work to change how things are, which is cool.

830
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that. I like that a lot.

831
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: I know also to pivot a little bit. We have

832
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: a lot of cyclists that listen to the show, and

833
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: a lot of these cyclists also happen to be runners.

834
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: I myself huge runner. Do talk about it like sporadically

835
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: here on Hurdle, but I know that as you can

836
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: understand for sure, a great way to cross train for

837
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: my go to sport is to do your sport. So

838
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: for someone who may not yet be in a place

839
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: where you know, they're writing a ton, they're you know,

840
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: hitting centuries or whatever, but they do want to become

841
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: more familiar with it. Do you have any like initial

842
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: a couple of tips, a couple of pointers that you

843
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: want to offer up for the more beginner cyclist when

844
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: it comes to getting more comfortable in the SAP.

845
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: So totally we can jump into it. I mean, gear

846
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: is a huge piece, which I'm not a really technical person. However,

847
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: especially for women, like because we tend to be smaller,

848
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: the power to wait thing is something that matters as

849
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: far as like your enjoyment of the sport. So if

850
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: you have Basically what I'm saying is if if your

851
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: gear is from the nineties, that could be a big

852
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: like setback in some ways. Like and I'm not saying

853
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: like those bikes aren't bad ass, because they are. But

854
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: I've coached plenty of clinics where like women will show

855
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: up on these like machines that just do not work,

856
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: like and then their husbands will have like the ten

857
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: thousand dollars set up and then they got them this

858
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: like turn bike, which drives me crazy. But oftentimes like

859
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: if you can get like an entry level but like

860
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: nicer ish bike that fits you, that is like I

861
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: see people like, it's literally the difference of like continuing

862
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: the sports or not. Another thing that people like super

863
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: beginner don't know is that with bike shorts, like with

864
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: a shammy, like with a pad in it, you're actually

865
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: not supposed to wear underwear with those I knew that.

866
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: I knew, Yeah, you are Like every I've like talked

867
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: to like a couple of different women that this is

868
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: like their first year in the sport, and I'm like

869
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: how yeah, Like how would you know that? Like one,

870
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: there's like a million dudes, So like they're not going

871
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: to tell you, like, hey, by the way, don't wear

872
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: a thong with your like shammy, Like they're not going

873
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: to like come up to you, but I'll be the

874
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: one to tell you. Like it's all like the reason

875
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: you have a shammy and the pad is like it's

876
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: to minimize the seam the seams with our sensitive parts.

877
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: So that's a big deal. And then also like motivation,

878
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: right like for me, like sometimes like hopping on like

879
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: the trainer in the winter is like all, like that

880
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: feels good, like checking the boxes of like I did

881
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: a hard work out today and like that that's what

882
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: I needed. Sometimes like this late in the season for me,

883
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: it's like really hard to motivate to like go out

884
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: for like a four hour open ride. So like sure,

885
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: like that's my that's my ride. But like for a

886
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: lot of newbies, Like doing an hour is a lot

887
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: of exercise on a bicycle, especially for something that feels

888
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: like really clunky and foreign and like kind of scary,

889
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: especially with traffic. I would honestly suggest like using an

890
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: app or a website like ride with GPS or Strava.

891
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: I've never really used Strava for like mapping, but you

892
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: can like find, like if you can find a really

893
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: cool route that uses like bike paths and like backroads

894
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: instead of like main roads, that can be like really

895
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: a like really fun, adventurous thing. And then if you

896
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: are fancy enough to have like a computer or like

897
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: a head unit I use Wahoo, you can actually like

898
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: sink the route so it gives you like turn by

899
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: turn instructions so you don't have to pay attention to

900
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: that stuff like these are sorry, I'm just coming up

901
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: with like little tips.

902
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: No, these are, I mean they were all really helpful tips.

903
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: And I think of that the hardest thing about cycling,

904
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: And I believe I heard you say this on another podcast,

905
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: like the great thing about running is that quote unquote

906
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: all you need is a pair of sneakers. But when

907
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: it comes to getting out on your bike, it's like

908
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: there are so many different puzzle pieces that you need

909
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: to assemble to even step out and have a not

910
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: only a good ride, but then also a safe ride.

911
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: Right totally, And I think, like I need to honestly

912
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: listen to my own advice here, but like because it

913
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: is a gear intensive sport, like and as we all know,

914
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: like it is really hard to motivate for exercise, especially

915
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: like if you're not that type of person. Like my sister,

916
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: she's like I I hike and run and do whatever

917
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 1: just until the point that she feels an endorphin bump

918
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: and then she turns around like we experience. Anna, Yeah,

919
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: we're talking Hannah. She's such a good balance. Like honestly,

920
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: she's probably healthier and will like live longer. Like I

921
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: think always pushing yourself so hard to your limit is

922
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: not actually good for you. But going back, like I

923
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: think having all of your gear like readily accessible, especially

924
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: with cycling, like having your flat kit already just like

925
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: something that's like easy to grab, so it has your

926
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: tire lever, your pump, a tube, some tire plugs, like

927
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: all the things like right there, you just grab it.

928
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,959
Speaker 1: Your shoes are there, your helmet's there, your glasses are there,

929
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 1: and then all you have to do is like put

930
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: your little shammy on and get out the door. It's

931
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: just like so helpful, and like I think something that

932
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: people don't know is like just having a functioning bike

933
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: is really helpful. And like it's sort of like your car,

934
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: like you get your oil changed a bunch, you kind

935
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: of have to bring your bike in a bunch and

936
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: just make sure everything's functioning because it makes it like

937
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: more fun.

938
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's definitely time for me to bring my

939
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 2: bike in for sure. I have I have a Rebel

940
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: and I love her. She is a babe, but she's

941
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: a babe.

942
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: That is a great bike because it like it really

943
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm all for like using one piece of equipment for

944
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: like multiple things. Like I'm not going to be the

945
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: person that says, like, well you really need to buy

946
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: a mountain bike, across bike, drive a bike, a road bike,

947
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: like really like a bike like the Rubey or the Diverge,

948
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: and I'm not like you don't have to buy specialized

949
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: Like that's just what I ride, So that's what I know.

950
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: But like I do actually think the Rubey is an

951
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: awesome bike because you can eventually like put actually like

952
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: pretty big tires in there and like start like dabbling

953
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: with dirt and like just allow yourself to like have

954
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: fun and play with like different routes. And then if

955
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: you're in a big city, I guarantee there is some

956
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: group ride going from some bike shop that is that

957
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: will fulfill what you're looking for. So, like if you're

958
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: super into bike racing, there will be that for you.

959
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: If you just want to go and like meet up

960
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: with some chicks or like some other people in the

961
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: sport that like just tootle after work and like go

962
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: grab a cocktail or a beer afterwards, there is for

963
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: sure that for you as well. So like just go

964
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: to like your bike shop too, because I think group

965
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: exercise is I mean, like I said, I wouldn't be

966
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: doing this if it weren't social.

967
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I'm a name drop.

968
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: Real quick shout out to Kelly from Specialized from my

969
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: rub I.

970
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: Kelly, Kelly.

971
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: I've done a triathlon previously, but at the beginning of

972
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: the pandemic is when I got my bike and it

973
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: just completely changed the way that I was able to

974
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: navigate emotionally during like such a tough time, especially living

975
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 2: at the time on the Upper East Side of New York,

976
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: like being able to get out of the city proper

977
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: and find space and solace on two wheels. I don't

978
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: need to tell you. It's just like such a special opportunity.

979
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: And from the beginning of April twenty twenty, my rube

980
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: has never had a flat tire.

981
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that found cycling in the pandemic.

982
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: Like I was working at a bike shop in twenty wait,

983
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: no was I before that anyway, it doesn't matter. Bike

984
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: shops were like literally like sold out of bikes. So

985
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: like if I were one of those people that bought

986
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: a bike and it's just been hanging in your garage,

987
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: like and you needed a sign, here's the sign. But

988
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: it is, it's really it's a special like even though

989
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: it feels very much like my job sometimes, which it

990
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: can get. It's sort of a complicated relationship when like

991
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: the thing that relieves your stress is also the thing

992
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: that causes a lot of it. But I still even

993
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: even so, I still use the bicycle like to says things.

994
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: And it's like my form of you know, meditation and

995
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: escape and health and you know, the number of times

996
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: like I'm not like a big, big crier, which like

997
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: there's some people that for some reason I just cry

998
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: in front of. But I'm like, if the right song

999
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: comes on and I'm like in a really weird place

1000
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: or a beautiful place, like those those tears.

1001
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: Come out, they come out.

1002
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: Well, I think that the people that you feel comfortable

1003
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: crying in front of are probably the people that have.

1004
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: A special impact hut on you.

1005
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes your Instagram page right now, they see a cyclist

1006
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: that has thirty five thousand followers, She's got a bunch

1007
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: of rad sponsors. When you look in the mirror, what

1008
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: is it that you see looking back at you?

1009
00:57:54,240 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's such a good question. Ah Man. Sadly,

1010
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: I see all the ways that I could just be better,

1011
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: to be honest, and I'm I want to be like

1012
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: totally totally honest here. Like there's it takes hard work

1013
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: to feel like proud of myself, Like I don't spend

1014
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: enough time really like being stoked on the things that

1015
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: I've accomplished. Like there's moments of that, but like you know,

1016
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: I've everyone has their struggles, and I think that I

1017
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: just sort of like always feel to this or not

1018
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 1: enough this, or you know I could be doing this

1019
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: so I I could do better at like like being

1020
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: being proud of myself for like how far I've.

1021
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: Come, as you should be not taking time to celebrate

1022
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: the wins. I would say a big win for you.

1023
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: Recently this Ratha kit talk to us a little bit

1024
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: about this partnership, why it's a big deal for you,

1025
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: and how it feels now to like kind of be

1026
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: in this place where your name is the one that's

1027
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: quote unquote in lights.

1028
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean Rafa. My decision to sign with

1029
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: Rafa from Tenspeed Hero was like definitely like the hardest

1030
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: choice I've had to make as a professional cyclist. They

1031
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: have taken such good care of me just because I

1032
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: was so such good friends with ten Speed Hero and

1033
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: it was sort of like where I'd started. And I

1034
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: think sometimes you forget that these brands are just they're

1035
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: comprised of human beings, Like there are people you know

1036
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, like Kelly it specialized, you know, like

1037
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: there's that. It's like that is what makes it up

1038
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: working with Rafa, which, to be honest, like I remember

1039
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: so Dylan, my partner, has worked every single job in

1040
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: the bike industry. You could work from like professional athlete

1041
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: to like product development market And I remember he told

1042
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: me about Rafa, and I remember going to their website

1043
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, as a designer, I'm like, oh

1044
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: my god, this is so cool. Like it was the

1045
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: first time that I like saw cycling kits as like

1046
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: not the dorky thing sorry dad that my dad wore

1047
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: because my dad was a road biker when I was

1048
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: growing up, which naturally I was like, whoof, I don't

1049
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: want anything to do with that until I left. But Rafa,

1050
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: It's it's been so cool to work with them. I

1051
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: would say, like in the cycling scene, the thing that

1052
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm like most stoked on like is clothing. Like I've

1053
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: just always like really been into clothing and those products

1054
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: versus like super technical stuff. It's so special to like

1055
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: get to work with their design team. They have an

1056
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: amazing group of designers. And I think a lot of

1057
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: people think I designed the kit, but I was just

1058
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: like a part of the process, Like I was never

1059
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: the one that's that was like putting colors down and

1060
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: like coming up with this concept. But the kits that

1061
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: they that they made this season have so there's like

1062
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: so many layers, like I'm sure people look at and

1063
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, they just put a blob of

1064
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: yellow here, some pink here, some blue. But it's actually

1065
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: they made a pattern like with like a line drawing

1066
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: pattern of like storm clouds and lightning bolts, and like

1067
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: overlapped it with the checkerboard flag pattern, which was kind

1068
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: of you know, tilting the hat towards like my old kit,

1069
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: the no finish line kit, And so they made this

1070
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: like crazy psychedelic looking pattern with all this negative space

1071
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: from those two things overlapped they like zoomed in on

1072
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: it and then filled in all of the spaces with

1073
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: those colors that you see on the kit. And I think, like,

1074
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: I just think that that's such a sick way to

1075
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: like end up. It's the like crazy colorful thing that

1076
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: they that they made. Also, like it's been cool to

1077
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: work with them because I know that like I sort

1078
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: of like push the limits of like colors and patterns

1079
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: and craziness because usually they're like pretty sleek, simple designs.

1080
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean, although they've they've really like started doing some

1081
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: really wild stuff.

1082
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: Well I got the kit, I'm gonna tell you, I

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Speaker 3: think it's still Yes, it's also so.

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Speaker 1: Cool to see people like and it's so so special,

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Speaker 1: like I just yeah, it's it's awesome. Like also like

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Speaker 1: going back to that like motivation piece, Like I cannot

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Speaker 1: tell you how many times like new Kit Day has

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Speaker 1: been the reason that I like motivate to that I

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Speaker 1: keep going.

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Speaker 2: There have been many times that you've had to persist

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Speaker 2: on days when it wasn't New Kid Day, which will

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Speaker 2: lead me here into the final question for you, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: I'm sad that you could talk to you. Wait wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 2: now's the time. Now is the time? Oh, you can

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Speaker 2: tell me why any agreement.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just based on literally this conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: I kind of I feel like you're okay, I have

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Speaker 1: to pull it up, but I feel like you're a three.

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Speaker 1: I have to make sure that these are actually the numbers.

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Speaker 1: You're a three, which is the achiever, and potentially like

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Speaker 1: with a wing seven, which is the enthusiast, the one

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Speaker 1: that I am. Enthusiasts are just like people that are

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Speaker 1: like really like energetic and motivated and like yeah, sometimes sporadic,

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Speaker 1: but I like so they have like your wings or

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Speaker 1: like stress or growth, and I would say, like you

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Speaker 1: definitely give like achiever vibes and Okay, the most interesting part.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the like synopsis, they'll give you

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Speaker 1: a list of examples of other people that are like Okay,

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Arnold Schwitzenberger, Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley,

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Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong, Will Smith, Courtney Cox, Jenny Moore, Reese Witherspoon,

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Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway. It's so interesting.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, I'll report back.

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Speaker 2: Final question, Sarah, Right now you have an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: offer yourself a piece of advice.

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Speaker 3: Let's go Actually, when you.

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Speaker 2: Were going through your career transition and you were trying

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Speaker 2: to decide in that hurdle moment what felt right for you.

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Speaker 2: Right now you have an opportunity to offer yourself a

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Speaker 2: piece of advice. Knowing what you do, now, what do

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Speaker 2: you tell yourself?

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Speaker 1: I tell myself that it is equally, if not more,

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Speaker 1: important to slow down and be quiet and have moments

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Speaker 1: of being bored and sad, and that chasing happiness is

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Speaker 1: not the goal.

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Speaker 2: Love that, Sarah. I'm so happy we did this. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much again for making the time and for

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Speaker 2: just gracing us with all of your wisdom. How does ever,

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Speaker 2: writlers follow along?

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Speaker 3: With you. How do they keep up with you? Give

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Speaker 3: us the details.

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Speaker 1: I love that they're hurdlers. No, this has been awesome,

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Speaker 1: Like I feel, yeah, this is great. Probably Instagram. I

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Speaker 1: am on TikTok, which is so funny, but mostly I

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Speaker 1: just like enjoy that space so much. But I am

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Speaker 1: bad at making things on TikTok. I'm a voyeur if

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Speaker 1: you would call it that, but yeah, I would say Instagram.

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Speaker 1: If you have any questions, if you're like new to cycling,

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Speaker 1: please damn me. It might take me a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks to see it and get back to you. But

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Speaker 1: I'm always like really stoked to answer questions. Sarah Sarah

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Speaker 1: Underscore stir Me, which is my nickname, s t U r.

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Speaker 3: M y beautiful. I'm over at Emily.

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Speaker 2: A Body and at Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time