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Speaker 1: Problem solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc and we interrupt the incessant

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Speaker 1: and unbecoming whining from the Cowboys locker room about the

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Speaker 1: officiating to officially start this edition of Cardinals Underground. Paul Calvic,

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Speaker 1: Felipe a Corral Junior, and business casual Darren Urban. Did

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Speaker 1: you miss the memo. Over there at Felipe, you look

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Speaker 1: like you're straight out of the locker room with a

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Speaker 1: pullover in the quarter zip, like Aaron Rodgers and the

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Speaker 1: Manning brothers and the Manning cast. And here's the Darren

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Speaker 1: over here, like he's ready for a power of lunch

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Speaker 1: that we both missed. So I think some of us

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Speaker 1: are fashion plates and some of us are Paul Calveci. No,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say real quick before we go,

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Speaker 1: it's on now. Now we're officially underway, all brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Pacific Office Automation. On your first line about

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I enjoyed this tremendously because I made the

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Speaker 1: mistake of retweeting a Cowboys writer. When Mike McCarthy came

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Speaker 1: out Monday and again complained about the fumble, he doubled down, okay,

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Speaker 1: and I managed to then. So I'm in the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: mentions and now my own mentions, which has a bunch

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Speaker 1: of Cardinal fans. So now you got all these fan

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Speaker 1: bases going back and forth about how much the ref

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Speaker 1: screwed each team on Sunday, and somebody I've ended up

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Speaker 1: on my timeline, which I didn't even know this existed.

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Speaker 1: But apparently they can measure out the impact of penalties

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Speaker 1: on win probability. Oh boy, no, no, no, this this

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Speaker 1: actually works out well. Every game is measured. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the the the impact of penalties. The biggest impact of

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Speaker 1: penalties on a win this weekend was actually the Bengals

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Speaker 1: over the Chiefs. The penalties actually gained a sixty percent

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Speaker 1: win probability because of their penalties. Okay, but it goes

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Speaker 1: over all the games, and there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

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Speaker 1: eleven games that affected the win probability more than the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals win over the Cowboys. So penalties affected eleven games

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Speaker 1: more drastically than Cowboys and Cardinals. I just thought i'd

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Speaker 1: bring that up for anybody who's a Cowboys fan who's listening,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's none of this. So maybe, just

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Speaker 1: maybe linebacker Layton Vanderash needs to listen to Darren Urban

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Speaker 1: because after the game, it was Vanderash who said, and

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Speaker 1: I quote, among other things, to me, we're playing more

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Speaker 1: against the refs than we are other teams. Maybe that's

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Speaker 1: part of your problem. Maybe that's why you only have

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Speaker 1: three wins against teams who currently have winning records in

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Speaker 1: the NFL Dallas Cowboys. If you're gonna complain in wine

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Speaker 1: like that, that's what we called being petty paws. That's there,

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Speaker 1: and go we already touch you, no cap clout, and

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Speaker 1: now I'm gonna teach you petty. It's called pettiness. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the stats, go ahead. I was

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Speaker 1: And especially in light of the insult off the top,

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Speaker 1: your point, Felipe, maybe Dallas needs a look at the

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Speaker 1: What was going on there? Because if you're everyone's asking, oh,

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'll take that as my playoff opener.

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Speaker 1: I don't watch a ton of the Cowboys over the year.

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Speaker 1: isn't there? Yep? Yep? And if Dak is going to

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore's out up some great plays in the red zone,

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Speaker 1: some of those plays that netted them was three receiving touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: they were without Marco Wilson, they were without Robert Alfred.

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Speaker 1: at least pencil necks like yours trulling Aunt Jays. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals need a new identity on offense minus DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: Well guess you know, maybe the best news for me

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Speaker 1: a booster shot wait for it of confidence with the

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Speaker 1: wind going into the postseason. Hello, that that line didn't

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Speaker 1: really get traction. I can try. There were two lines

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Speaker 1: The other one was there was more cowboys bloodshed out

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Speaker 1: there than an episode of Yellowstone. See I don't watch

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Speaker 1: the Yellowstone. Okay, well then you wouldn't get it. No

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Speaker 1: wonder because Wolf doesn't watch anything either. You know that,

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Speaker 1: So that that just got nothing. I'm proud to mention

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Speaker 1: it's pretty thick the other day. But yeah, I mean

426
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Speaker 1: I will disagree with you, pot I don't think the

427
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: noise has gone away. I feel like there's still a

428
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: lot of noise around the team heading into Week eighteen

429
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: because now the expectation level. You know, Rose you beat

430
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: the Cowboys without specific key guys on the road when

431
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys came in hot. Now you go back home

432
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: your potentially street everybody. Now there might potentially might be

433
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: a NFC West title on the line. You don't want

434
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: to go into the postseason strug something or not. So

435
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: I still think there's noise. But at the end of

436
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: the day, I mean I would assume that the players

437
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to lose five games in a row

438
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: at home, I would assume that the players want to

439
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: put themselves in a position to host at least one

440
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: playoff game. You know, as great as they've been on

441
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: the road, I would still prefer to play a playoff

442
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: game at home. So if I was Keens Ray, if

443
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: James Connor and Chase Himmans can even go at sixty

444
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: seventy percent, you're still gonna make them go at six Well,

445
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: not make them, but you would prefer them to go

446
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: at sixty seventy percent, just because the type of deal

447
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: that both of those running backs are when they're on

448
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: the field. At the same time, I'm gonna disagree with

449
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 1: you from the standpoint of the running backs for sure.

450
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're running back, if they're at sixty

451
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: or seventy percent, there's no way I play them because

452
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: I absolutely have to have them better. And if they're

453
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: sixty or seven percent, I'm guessing that they're not gonna

454
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: improve greatly if you put them through a football game

455
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: at this point, So I'm not playing them if they're

456
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: that banged up, if they're less and I don't know, well,

457
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: I don't know where they are right now. I know

458
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds. I heard I heard one of the local

459
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: radio guys say that Chase Edmonds suit was super tough.

460
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely agree with that. Gutted it out on Sunday, Absolutely

461
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: agree with that. Then said didn't even take himself out.

462
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: That's not true, because I watched him take himself out

463
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 1: right at the very end of the end, and that's

464
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: not and that's not a dig it Chase, and it's

465
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: not even a dig at anybody who didn't think he

466
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: took h himself out because he did go. I'm not

467
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: saying he didn't go back in the game, but I

468
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: literally watched him tap his helmet and touch his rib

469
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: area and say, I gotta come out for a minute,

470
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: right right at the very end of the possession before

471
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: like their last one, when Enos started playing, And so

472
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: I know he's got to be hurting. I don't know

473
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: where James Connor is, but I want those guys to

474
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: be totally ready for the playoffs. But in bigger picture,

475
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: for what you talking about, Paul, For me, I think

476
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: the noise is dissipated. I think it matters how this

477
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: game goes, not necessarily that they win, because I don't

478
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: know if there's gonna be a whole lot to it

479
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: if they win or lose, because I do think the

480
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: Rams are going to ultimately beat the forty nine ers.

481
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: But even though the Niners are in with a win,

482
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: even though the Niners are beating the Rams five straight times,

483
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it can't happen. I think this is

484
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: a better chance of happening than the Panthers beating the Bucks.

485
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: Let's put it out, yes, And I'm not saying you

486
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: don't play to win. I think Cliff Kingsbury will absolutely

487
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: play to win. I think Kyler Murray plays quarterback Sunday

488
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: where if if you're really talking about resting, he's not

489
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: playing the whole game. I think he plays the whole games,

490
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: assuming it's close, or assuming assuming the other game stays close.

491
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if the Rams get up twenty eight nothing,

492
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: then maybe that I know nobody's looking, and nobody's looking. Please,

493
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah they're looking, please, they're looking. So But I also

494
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: think this I think back to was it twenty fifteen,

495
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: twenty four what year was it when Seattle was still

496
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: playing really well, it was probably twenty fourteen. I don't remember, though,

497
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: but they came in and they won like thirty six

498
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: to six, and the season finale was like Sunday Night Football,

499
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: but like the Cardinals didn't have anything to play for. Yeah,

500
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember that. It was a massive blowout, and

501
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't I don't know if you

502
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: want to like see in the fact, I don't remember

503
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: that that Well, honestly answers the question for me, because

504
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: I sort of posed the question to start this week

505
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: and a member the coaching staff looked at me and

506
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: answered my question with a question, Yeah, do you remember

507
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: who won the NFC South last year? Got it? Okay,

508
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: it was the Saints, but the Buccaneers were a wild

509
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: card and ran the table three road wins and then

510
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: a win in the Super Bowl. So you can't do

511
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: anything that jeopardizes your chances of a playoff win. Well,

512
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: that tells me a lot. Then, honestly, if with that

513
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: being the case, you know, to a certain degree, especially

514
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to injuries, you got to treat it

515
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: like a preseason game. You just have to, because ultimately

516
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: it's not going to matter enough if it's gonna cost

517
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: you an advantage or one of your key players for

518
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: the playoffs. So then then then let me ask you

519
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: this question, Paul, If that's true, isn't Cole McCoy or quarterback? See?

520
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: But I tend to agree with you. I don't think

521
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna go full money. They're not gonna go full

522
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: preseason game. It's not gonna go That's an image I

523
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: didn't need to hear. It's still gonna be January. It's

524
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: not gonna be August. They're not gonna start putting in

525
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback unless things get lopsided either way either game.

526
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: But as far as a James Connor, your Pro Bowl

527
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: running back Chase Edmonds, when you're key playmakers, no, I don't.

528
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't expect either guy to play now. Didn't James

529
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: Connor have a pretty extensive pregame routine and he looked

530
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: some right for those who witnessed it in Dallas the field,

531
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: I did not see that, so I wasn't looking. So

532
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: if he would have played against the Cowboys, I wouldn't

533
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: have been shocked based on that. So how close is he?

534
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: But what's the risk reward of putting him out there

535
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: against Seattle went? You know, once again, the great blessing

536
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: of this holiday season just gone by is looking at

537
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: the Seahawks firmly entrenched in the last place. Nothing is

538
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: going to change the seahawks fate. They're in last place

539
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: for the first time in twenty five years. The last

540
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: time was nineteen ninety six when they were still in

541
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: the AMC West. That's the last time. And for Pete

542
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Carroll it's gonna be as fewest wins as the Seahawks

543
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: head coach. So think about that, and Seattle's fate is

544
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: already sealed. Now. They're not gonna have Bobby Wagner. He's

545
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: not playing, And how is Seattle gonna approach it after

546
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: they just had their home finale? Maybe the finale for

547
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, maybe the finale for Pete Carroll. Probably not.

548
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner is twenty million dollars calf charge next year.

549
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 1: He's probably he gone, is the speculation in Seattle as

550
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: fears that Bobby Wagner has gone. Even though he came

551
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: into that Lions game with a hundred seventy tackles. Think

552
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: about that, through fifteen games, he was dating near ten

553
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: right or something, and then he got hurt on the

554
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: first play of the Lions game. He was tracking maybe

555
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: for a two hundred tackles season, which would have been

556
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: the most in another quarter century. If you were to

557
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: bet hear near let's say bread and that's what we'll

558
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: call it, your bread on whether it be Russell or

559
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Pete's last game? Who would you bet your b Russell's

560
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: last game and thinks over Pete? Yeah, well I think so.

561
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: I think I just think ownership will will stick with

562
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: a GM coach combination and and and and Russell Wilson.

563
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: There's already a lot of speculation that Russell Wilson's team.

564
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: Russ has already dropped those hints to CHEFTI, who's already

565
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 1: tweeted out a few things right that that that's already

566
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: in motion. If you told me Russell Wilson, Oh, I

567
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: don't know New York City and the Giants. I believe

568
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: that I personally just don't think that that roster is

569
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: that bad when you look at it from from well,

570
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: specifically from an offensive standpoint. I mean, Rashad Penny has

571
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: been balling out the past. With three or four games,

572
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: you still have a pretty decent duo receiver. I mean,

573
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Chris Carson done come back at some point next year

574
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: following that neck injury. So in my head, I would

575
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: bet my money on Pete because I still think, well,

576
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: they don't have draft capital one because it traded most

577
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: of it away, So I mean, do you really have

578
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: Maybe that plays into the decision to trade Russ, right

579
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: because now you might want to get that draft capital back. Sure, well,

580
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: maybe both of them go Pete and Russ start. I

581
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: love it. It could be. I mean they could. It's

582
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: sort of an unknown because the ownership situation. So there's

583
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: been a void of leadership to a degree after the

584
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: passing of Paul Allen. So what exactly are they're gonna

585
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: do We don't know, but it figures to be an

586
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: end of an era one way or the other for

587
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. They come in and yeah, and what is

588
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: their future? Their top ten pick belongs to the Jets

589
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: as part of the Jamal Adams tray. Does that make

590
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: even more happy aside from the fact that they're in

591
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: last place they don't have a fresh round pick this year,

592
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: that they could have stained power in last place? Absolutely, yes,

593
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm willing to answer that. I'm willing to go on

594
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: the record with with yes that that that is a

595
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: blessing as well. If that's something that happens continually in

596
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: the near future, there's no doubt about it. But as

597
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: far as the Cardinals go, I mean, are we just

598
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: presuming they're going back to Dallas? Everything I seem to

599
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: read indicates it's everyone's just sort of it's preordained that

600
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: they're going back to Dallas and that's just going to

601
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: be the an inevitability. Well that's just because of because

602
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: of what has to happen. I mean, they have to

603
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: beat the Seahawks and the Rams have to lose for

604
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: that to change. And percentage wise, especially since the forty

605
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: nine ers are playing at Los Angeles, the Rams are

606
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: going to be favorites against a rookie quarterback. So when

607
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: you start adding in figuring out those percentages, however realistic

608
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers win might be, then yeah, the percentages

609
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: are hi plus all. And if that and that's the

610
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: only way the Cardinals don't play on the road, and

611
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: I think Dallas. Dallas is like ninety six percent as

612
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: the four hole. So if the Cardinals don't become the

613
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: division champion, they're locked into the five hole, so they

614
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: have to go to Dallas. So like that's why, that's

615
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: why everybody's assuming it's four gone because unless they win

616
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: the division, they're gonna go to Dallas. Right, So are

617
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals better off on the road in a playoff

618
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: game then at home? A fantastic question. I know you

619
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: guys are gonna say yeah. I just I just I

620
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: just have a feeling you guys are gonna say yeah.

621
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean if if you guys disagree, is going to

622
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: go to the other side. We can site eight and

623
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: one record on the road, it's a franchise record, and

624
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: wins against Tennessee and the Rams in their own building

625
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys and who am I forgetting there was

626
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: a big and then wins at the Browns with you

627
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: know out their head coach, And I mean there's an

628
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: I got a question for Felippe. Then, So here's my question.

629
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: Would you rather play Dallas on the road or the

630
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: forty nine ers at home? With Trey Lance? I'm assuming that.

631
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean maybe Trey Lance,

632
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: but maybe Jimmy Garoppolo. I don't know. Does that make

633
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: a difference. By the white, Trey Lance was a goal

634
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: line tackle away from almost speeding you in your own

635
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: building in its very first start. That's also true and well,

636
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are without DeAndre Hopkins, of course, something that

637
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: was different from that Week five matchup at home. I mean,

638
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: I would still prefer to play any type of playoff

639
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: game at home, regardless of the situation, just because you're

640
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: at home. I know they've struggled at home during this

641
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: regular season, but see I believe it or not, Felippe,

642
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm I hear the differences is

643
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: for me, going to what Paul was saying, they've played

644
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: so well on the road, I do not think it

645
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: is completely unrealistic to see them winning a bunch of

646
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: road games in the playoffs. I'm not saying it's going

647
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: to happen, but I don't see it's I don't see

648
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: it as an impossibility that said I would rather play

649
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: road game at home games. I've seen this building in

650
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: home playoff games and it is unbelievable. Paul knows how

651
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: that goes. It is a true home field advantage. Two

652
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, they won arguably one of the best

653
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: playoff games ever, fifty five over the Packers in overtime. Okay,

654
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: that year they went four and four at home. They

655
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: were like they actually did a little bit better on

656
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: the road. It's good knowledge. But they went They went

657
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: six and two on the road. They went four and

658
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: four at home. But that I believe it was the

659
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: home crowd that pushed them to that big lead, because

660
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that team was that much better

661
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: than the Packers that year, to be honest, But can

662
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: I say this, if you were going to play, if

663
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: you had a chance to play Dallas at home or

664
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: on the road, absolutely I take them at home, yes,

665
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: But if I had a chance to play Dallas on

666
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: the road versus the Niners or Rams at home, I

667
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: would still go with Dallas because I do believe the

668
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: Cardinal's coaching staff is a step ahead of Dallas's staff,

669
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: Whereas you can't say that about Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan.

670
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: Last time I saw the Rams on that Monday night game,

671
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: Sean mcvah in that offense was a step ahead of

672
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: the Cardinals defense. There were guys running wide open everywhere.

673
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: They dialed up that scheme. Kyle Shanahan, we know what

674
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: he does and he's very effective at running that offense

675
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: that has given the Cardinals a lot of problems over

676
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: a lot of games. So I will take a rematch

677
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: vance Joseph Mcliff Kingsbury against Mike McCarthy and company anytime.

678
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: So you're saying you have more confidence in that defense

679
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: limiting the trio of offense that the Cowboys have, you

680
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: expect you would you would have more confidence in the

681
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: defense limiting Amari Cooper and City Lamb and the duel

682
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: of Tony Pollard and Zeke Elliott over being at home

683
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: recency bias. I just, honestly, I just don't know, because

684
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: they barely won what in the last possession. I mean,

685
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: if anything goes different than that last but see, but

686
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: see if we're gonna start playing that game though, felipe A,

687
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to argue James Connor will be back for

688
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they get two more touchdowns instead of

689
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: field goals against the Cowboys in the first place, so

690
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: that they're not that close at the end, because the

691
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: Cardinals have already built a much bigger lead because in

692
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: short yardage, James Connor would have gotten new touchdowns instead

693
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: of them falling falling down inside the fat fact. You

694
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: know a new question. If you could solve one thing,

695
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: improve one thing between now and the playoffs, what would

696
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: it be I'll go first. Red zone what Darren just cited,

697
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals red zone over the last month has fallen off, Yes, significantly.

698
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: To me, they got to resolve the red zone woes.

699
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: That was not a problem the first two thirds three

700
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: quarters of this season. What else should be on the checklist?

701
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: But again for that, to me, the biggest reason that

702
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: that has fallen apart is because James Connor has been

703
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: banged up and then not played. Yeah, but they've also

704
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: been you know, first and goal to six and he

705
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have his number called and they're going louterly. Okay, again,

706
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: he's you know, Janevas still in the middle of it.

707
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: He's been available for games and hasn't really been utilized

708
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: in the red zone. Get it, well, I mean James

709
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: Connor and no, DeAndre Hopkins I'm assuming has a lot

710
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: to do with that too. I mean, mac my check list.

711
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: In an ideal world, that would give DeAndre Hopkins my knee.

712
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: Maybe that that would fix it. Well, Smasher, I'm much

713
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 1: more effective. He was on the sideline on crutches. He's

714
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: not coming backs. Not how are we talking about this? No? No,

715
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: I was just saying an ideal world. I mean I

716
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: would would give. I tell people like, dude, he's somebody

717
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: asked me that on something is there is there any

718
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: chance Hop comes back? And didn't point the playoffs, And

719
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, he was on crutches in seventeen, he's

720
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: not playing again this season? What about? What about? What?

721
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't I personally don't think JJ Watt comes back,

722
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: But I'm not betting against that guy. Now. It might

723
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: be a a Rod was it Rod Woodson? Who did it?

724
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: Came back for the Super Bowl one year? Yeah, something

725
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: like this. You know, maybe if you get all the

726
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: way to the Super Bowl and maybe he's able to

727
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: give you some limited time. But again, it's one thing

728
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: to It's one thing to work out, it's one thing

729
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: to condition. It's one thing to do a bunch of

730
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: a banging drills against the goalpost. It's another thing to

731
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: go out with a three hundred twenty pound guy coming

732
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: the other way full speed, trying to bang the crap

733
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: out of you, and you're using all this mechanism that

734
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: you ripped the shreds trying to get him out of

735
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: the way. And also, oh, by the way, try and

736
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: tackle a two hundred twenty pound guy running full speed

737
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: the other way. I just wasn't that his quote the

738
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: one media interview he did do he said, I basically

739
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: tore my shoulder in half or I destroyed my shoulder,

740
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: didn't didn't he basically And that was the description of

741
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: it was devastating. Going back to going back, I would

742
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: just say to me, uh, realistically, you want the red

743
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 1: zone stuff to be better. I'd like to see James

744
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: Connor and then just deal, you know, have the other

745
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: seemed deal with James Freak and Connor. I would say,

746
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: I would like I would like Kyler Murray's legs to

747
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: be involved like they were at the end of the game.

748
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: I loved the play call that was the one yard

749
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Antoine Wesley. Yeah, Dallas smelled it out,

750
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: but they had an answer for it. And I just think,

751
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: especially with hop out, I think they've got to be

752
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: willing to do that, and maybe they will be in

753
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Maybe that's one of those things that unveil

754
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more in the playoffs when it matters.

755
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: And then the third thing is whether it's guys getting

756
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: healthier or changing some stuff up. But I know vance

757
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: Joseph has to do some of the stuff with mirrors.

758
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: But I'm a little concern right now with the coverage.

759
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: I know he's been doing a lot of zone stuff

760
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: to protect and they're they're kind of keeping stuff in

761
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: front of them, but it just feels like it's been

762
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: if if the pressure isn't there, it just seems too

763
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: easy to get completions down the field right now. I mean,

764
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: if you're looking to somebody to jump the playoff train,

765
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: how about Bashad Brel. If you're talking about a guy

766
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: to come out of nowhere and just show up when

767
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: the postseason starts, what about the corner they got from

768
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: the Vikings after he had the fall out there and

769
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: got cut. But he's a guy who's played the majority

770
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: of this season. He's not off the street. And by

771
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: the way, on his weekly TV show, Wolf asked Cliff

772
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: Kingsbury after we've done sort of talking about Cliff's weekly show,

773
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: though not Wolves right, oh yeah, said Wolf asked Cliff. Okay,

774
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: And by the way, by the Wolf got a good answer.

775
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: When I asked Cliff a question I got, I got,

776
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: I got, I got insulted, and we'll talk about that

777
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: a little bit later. But Wolf's question once again was

778
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: if anyone else had stood out that we had failed

779
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: to mention, and he immediately said Kevin Peterson. Immediately said

780
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Peterson, who was on the practice squad and basically

781
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: getting his real first game action, And you know, yeah,

782
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: he was serviceable. But to Darren's point, I mean, you

783
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: went into that game against Dallas minus two of your

784
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: top three corners, against arguably the most talented receiver room

785
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: in the league. That was before Michael Gallup, you know,

786
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: ended his season with the ACL injury. But if you

787
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: have a shot brilling back, if Marco Wilson is tracking

788
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: to come back, which seems to be a complete unknown. No,

789
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: nobody's really sure about that. I wouldn't necessarily acount on

790
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: that either, But Antonio Hamilton and Kevin Peterson at least

791
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: have been good enough. They haven't. I'll tell you what.

792
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: In that Dallas game, there were far fewer plays of

793
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: receivers running wide open. I thought almost every catch was

794
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: at least contested. Yeah, this is this is a talent

795
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: issue more than a mistake issue. Even the touchdown. I

796
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: think it was the late touchdown that where the guy

797
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: came all the way, I mean, coming all across the names.

798
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to cover a guy like that.

799
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: You have to find a way to pressure Prescott and

800
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: get him off his spot because if if you don't

801
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: the guy, anybody, almost anybody's gonna be able to just

802
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: run across the length of the end zone and eventually

803
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: get open because you just can't. You can't cover a guy.

804
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: Even the Gallop touchdown where he hurt himself. Yeah, I

805
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: mean those was good coverage. It was good coverage and

806
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times after a score, Vans Joseph's pretty emotional,

807
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: right and he's he's pretty up at and at that moment,

808
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: once he realized it counted and they weren't going to

809
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: overturn it, he walked down to Kevin Peterson and game

810
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: a hook. He actually put his arm around him, said, dude,

811
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: that's about all you can do. And the guy I

812
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: thought it was a great play, great catch, and Gallup

813
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: gave up his ACL for that. So there's a yeah,

814
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: so we'll see exactly. I mean that you're right if

815
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: you're put making your list and you're checking it twice

816
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: red zone, and I agree with you on Kyler. Anything

817
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: that gets Kyler out into space, and if it's all

818
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: about stressing the defense. Oh boy, Kyler's in space. Is

819
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: he gonna make a run with his four three to

820
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: the pylon or is he gonna you know, is he

821
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: gonna throw it? And you know, maybe a late release

822
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: tight end who just sort of, you know, finds an

823
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: opening in the zone. I mean, those are all very

824
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: well designed, and I'm all about that, getting Kyler into

825
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: an area where he can use his arm or his legs.

826
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: Would you guys add pass rush to that list that

827
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: we're talking to, the imaginary list that we're talking about

828
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: heading into the postseason little bit? Yeah, because I mean,

829
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna go back to Dallas, I'm assuming

830
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: the film is fresh, so you're gonna have something to

831
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: go off of that's a little bit more effective than

832
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: let's say, if you played the Cowboys in Week four, right.

833
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: I just feel like I didn't see enough pressure from

834
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: the defensive line. You know, you saw pressure from guys

835
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: like Isaiah Simmons on that on that fumble. Chandler Jones

836
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: was a menace. But they've been dialing up Buddha exactly.

837
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: You're also missing Marcus Golden, who you know, he's one

838
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: of the guys that is supposed to be doing that,

839
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from. I think I think

840
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: you're always gonna wish for more pass rush. But I

841
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: also know that you know that the Cowboys had um

842
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: fifteen points with five minutes to go in that game.

843
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: So it's I feel like they did a fairly good job.

844
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did feel like there was a bunch

845
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: of completions, but considering the fact that the Cardinals only

846
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: forced the one turnover, um, it's not like they were

847
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: getting ripped up and then they got turnovers and that

848
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: with stalling drive. So I think we need to be

849
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: a little bit careful. And it's funny we were just

850
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: talking about what a great job Vance Joseph did and

851
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: now we get to what we hope to see in

852
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Yeah, and it's all these defensive things. And look,

853
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: did they make Dallas one dimensional? They did. Dallas had

854
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: its lowest rushing output of the year forty five yards rushing.

855
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: So we should probably probably we buried the lead. Right.

856
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: You came out, You did what you wanted to do.

857
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: You made them one dimensional. Cardinals gave up like two

858
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: point six yards to carry, which was easily their best

859
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: number of the year. Right, So so there he Now

860
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: there was a stack going into the game where the

861
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: Cardinals defense had allowed twenty one touchdowns to receivers, most

862
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and you can add three more to that. Yeah,

863
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: that's twenty four. So to your point Darren earlier, you

864
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: wonder what vance Joseph is thinking about that and what

865
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: he has in mind going into the postseason. Now that

866
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: of a shod brilliance on board. Perhaps you know you

867
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: do have Marco Wilson back. I don't know. Robert Alfred

868
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: another mystery. I'm not counting on Alfred coming back. I

869
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: don't know what you think. So you're gonna have to

870
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: make do with what you have. It's funny that you

871
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: say the I mean when you talk about you know,

872
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: that's something that they got to, you know, the touchdowns

873
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: of receivers. When I again, this comes down to what

874
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: is this offense going to do? Can they control the clock?

875
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: They controlled the clock this weekend. Guys. They not only

876
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: had long drives, but and there was a couple of

877
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: brief times they went to tempo, but most of the

878
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: time when they were clicking, Kyler slowly walked up the

879
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and they took their time and they

880
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: ran that clock, especially in the second half. They had

881
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: the ball for like almost twelve minutes of the third

882
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: quarter and just took the air out of that stadium.

883
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: And that's what you want to talk about what this

884
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: defense needs. That's what this defense needs. They need this

885
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: offense to pick up first downs, score some points. Would

886
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: be nicer to have more than twenty five goes back

887
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: to the red zone. They moved the ball, but they

888
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: got to get it in the end zone. But to

889
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: eat up that clock so the other teams don't have

890
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: a chance. And it'll be interesting to see, you know,

891
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: if they win. Say they go to Dallas and they win,

892
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: that's a trip to Green Bay in round two. Arrested

893
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: Packers team. I got Paul calvc lips are already blue.

894
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: My hashtag didn't work, no lamb because he went away

895
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: from it. I had to ride that hashtag in the

896
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to get ahead of anything. They've actually

897
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: got to win a playoff game before that's even a possibility.

898
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: But that's that's staring you in the face. I think

899
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: the cow has had the ball for like twenty five

900
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: minutes in a couple of seconds that if I'm not mistaken, Paul.

901
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: That's the lowest output of the lowest time in the

902
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: entire season. What I also like was Kingsbury went for

903
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: the points. He went for the kicks. If I believe

904
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: that Prater had a you know, a short a couple

905
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: of short field goals that usually I mean Kingsbury goes

906
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: for on those specific fourth downs. So I just got

907
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I saw a little bit of traditional football that's not

908
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: necessarily familiar with the Kingsbury often So that's something else

909
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: that I go for two a little earlier than I

910
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: would have, And it would have been nice to have

911
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: that four point lead at the end, especially if they

912
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: called Edmunds fumble fumble. But you're right, he went four

913
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: for four Matt Prador, and he nailed every one of those.

914
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: You talk about a booster shot of confidence. The return

915
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: of Andy Lee did just that for for Matt Prador. No,

916
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna save you from that tape. Why come on.

917
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: As soon as he made he drilled that fifty fifty

918
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: three yard field goal before the half, I immediately thought

919
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: of my co host on this on these pot on

920
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: this podcast, I thought, there, I said, there we go

921
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: to Andy Lee effect my MVP. We need a camera

922
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: on Darren right now. Uh so Marcus Golden is back, Yes,

923
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: Devon Canard is back? Correct? DJ Humphreys back? Who also

924
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: am I missing? There you go, there's another possible addition

925
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: to the second. He hasn't been active for a game yet,

926
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: but to have Humphries back. And I thought Kelvin Beacham

927
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: did the hell of a job at all tackle and

928
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: and you know, real quick, you know the best moment

929
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: of the postgame video that they that they've sent out

930
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: from the locker room in the game ball. I think

931
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: I know where you're going with this. So I think

932
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: everyone's fired up to get a game ball. And then

933
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: they announced Kelvin Beacham. He's on one knee, he's got

934
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: his head half down. He's he's like, yeah, Graig, he

935
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: hasn't taken one thing off, except he's just like, yeah, great, guys.

936
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm just too exhausted right now to even acknowledge a

937
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: fact I got a game ball because somebody point me

938
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: to the shower. I mean he was just gassed at

939
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, that's exactly I thought, that's where you're

940
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: going with it. I mean, I thought Beacham did a

941
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: great job. I thought after the two early penalties, especially

942
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: the false start which cannot happen. I thought Josh Jones

943
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: was okay. He wasn't great. Once again, he's a tackle,

944
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: He's not a guard. He's a tackle. Yeah, I would agree.

945
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. And he played right tackle right.

946
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is it's a That's what Paul saying.

947
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta get him, you gotta get him

948
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: in the right place. So it's it's gonna be. But

949
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: I thought the offensive line, uh did a nice job.

950
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: But I mean again, you had guys that game. Game

951
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: was so much like the Colt McCoy wins in which

952
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: you didn't have key players, but you played this team

953
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: football that that made it work. And in this day,

954
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: in this season where I don't care as great as

955
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has been, I think it is absolutely wide

956
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: open who can win the Super Bowl? Really, I truly

957
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: truly believe that. Now. Am I going to be shocked

958
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: if it's Chiefs Packers in the Super Bowl? No, I

959
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: won't be. But I truly will not be shocked if

960
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: the Packers lose a home game, I won't. Well, I'm

961
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: not saying it's likely. On the Manning Cast, Aaron Rodgers

962
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: sighted the year after they won the Super Bowl, they

963
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: went fifteen and one, that they had the bye in

964
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs. Coughlin lost his cheeks

965
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: and they got beat down. It was like thirty seven

966
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: twenty or something. I mean, they it was a lopsided

967
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: win by the New York Giants en route to the

968
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl that year. And Aaron Rodgers said that was

969
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: he still thinks that's their best team during his career.

970
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: I agree with that, And I couldn't believe that team

971
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: lost the playoff game. And so and then once again,

972
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: of course, it ignites all the questions, aren't geez, you

973
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: pulled everyone in the final game, you didn't play him,

974
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: and then you had a week off and everyone's you know,

975
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: the whole deal and so, and it's true. That's what happens,

976
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: and that's the That's what will happen. If the Cardinals

977
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: treat this Seattle game in Week eighteen Carolina Panthers two

978
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: thousand and eight like a glorified preseason game, and then

979
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: they come out and lose and round run to the playoffs,

980
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna blow back to the final week of the

981
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: regular seame. But again, hindsights always if you do. I mean,

982
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: just look at the folk Tales thing that we did

983
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, guys. I mean, if the

984
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals had gotten their doors blown off in New England

985
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight and then beat Seattle in

986
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: that last game and then lost to the Falcons in

987
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: the first round, everybody would have said, what a pretender team.

988
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 1: They were the worst playoff team ever. And it's gonna

989
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: depend on the result. I mean, if this team win

990
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: or lose against Seattle, goes in the playoffs and wins

991
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: a couple of games, well, hell, this was a pretty

992
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: damn good team that may or may not win the

993
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: Super Bowl but got beat by a really good team

994
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: deep in the playoffs. If they go out and lose

995
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs, no matter what

996
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: they do against Seattle, now everyone's to see, guy, they

997
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: will they completely fell apart, all right, So that's an unknown.

998
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: I think there's two knowns right now that we should

999
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: mention before we wrap up this edition of Cardinals Underground,

1000
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. Known the Cardinals

1001
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: are a winning team. With Rodney Hudson, They're a out

1002
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: nine and two where their starting center. I mean that

1003
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: is a fact, is it not? And then he's not

1004
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: he's not MVP over Andy Lee according to Yes, go

1005
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: ahead once again. I think Felipe's Felipe's vote, his ballot

1006
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: was just it was just taken from him, his vote,

1007
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: and so he's gonna have to re earn that at

1008
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: a later point in his career. The other known and

1009
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: some of these run these numbers, and I didn't, but

1010
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: even Cliff Kingsbury and his TV show this week acknowledge

1011
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: when we've run the ball successfully, we've won games. So

1012
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if that correlates to the number of

1013
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: RUSSI attempts. I don't know if that correlates to yards

1014
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: per carry or just number of total rushing yards. Somebody

1015
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: around here, do we have an intern He's to get

1016
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: off the rear end, Craig Griolo, Okay, mister numbers guy,

1017
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: and we need to go back and see and each

1018
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: one of the eleven wins, does that directly correlate to

1019
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: the rushing performance versus the loss? I would really really

1020
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: like to that's that's a nuanced answer, and I'm gonna

1021
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: summon my inner Kylouder guard here because I don't want

1022
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: to get do. I think there are moments and you

1023
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: have to use the run and you can't get away

1024
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: with it, get away from it completely. Yes, do I

1025
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: think you better do. I think they won in Dallas.

1026
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: They had nice balance. But you want to know what

1027
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: I personally thought. The biggest reason they won in Dallas was,

1028
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there are many of them. My biggest reason

1029
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: was they had some shots down the field and they

1030
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: them work. They got a touchdown that way, they got

1031
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: aj Green. They missed on a couple they should have had.

1032
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: This league, you better be able to pass the ball.

1033
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no better example to me. And I

1034
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: know the Patriots won this game, don't get me wrong,

1035
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: but that game, the Patriots absolutely dominated Buffalo in Buffalo

1036
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: when they threw what five passes or three passes or

1037
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: whatever it is the game and they still almost lost

1038
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: because they didn't throw this game. The game, the NFL

1039
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: game today is not set up to lean that much

1040
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: on the run. It is not. You are going to

1041
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: cost yourselves games if you do that. You have to

1042
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: be able to run. I agree with Paul. I'm sure Cliff,

1043
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: the numbers are right. But to go back and say

1044
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: we're winning these games when we've run the ball well,

1045
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to argue you ran the ball well in

1046
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: part because you were winning those games. Maybe though you

1047
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: threw the ball well because you had the thread of

1048
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: the run. Earlier, we cited that the Boys only had

1049
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: forty five yards rushing two point six yards of carry,

1050
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: their lowest both categories all year long. How much did

1051
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: that hamper their passing game because the Cardinals were able

1052
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: to rush just three and four and then drop seven

1053
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: or eight. So can you say, oh, that one of

1054
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: the keys of the Cardinals win was stopping the Dallas

1055
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: run and then say, oh, the Cardinals won and their

1056
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: running game didn't matter when they averaged four yards of

1057
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: carry and ran it thirty two times. Yes, But but

1058
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: if we want to start breaking it down, Okay, they

1059
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: averaged four yards of carry thirty two times. They had

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00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: a twenty four yard run on the first play, right, Yeah,

1061
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: then the very second play was what like a thirteen

1062
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: yard run by Chase Edmonds? Yes, something like let's see here, yeah,

1063
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: fourteen yards Chase Edmonds. So what was their average after

1064
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: those first two runs. I'm not saying the nut crappy,

1065
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying the thread of the run. Yeah, and the

1066
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: fact that you are perceived to have a balanced attack.

1067
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm not with you. I do think they need balance attack,

1068
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: but I also think that the Cowboys have crappy cornerbacks.

1069
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: And you were able to convert some passes down the field. Sure,

1070
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: And I don't think that had much. That doesn't That

1071
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: doesn't to me have as much to do with having

1072
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: the thread of the run as much as they have

1073
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: crappy cornerbacks. When I was on radio talking to Rolando Kantu,

1074
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: obviously he's a big offensive line guy, I think, and

1075
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: I told him this, if they want to win, they

1076
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: have to stick to the run, maybe not have this

1077
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: outstanding rushing attack. And I feel like that was the

1078
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: difference between the Colts and the Cowboys. Yeah, maybe the

1079
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals weren't as effectives as efficient on the ground in

1080
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: Week seventeen, but they stuck to the run in the

1081
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: second game, and on that last offensive drive, you saw

1082
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of readoptions. I think we saw what back

1083
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: to back to back redoptions on that final offensive drive

1084
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: that stalled the clock or ran the clock out. That

1085
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: was the biggest difference for me. That's what I wanted

1086
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: to see between on offense. I wanted to see Kingsbury

1087
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: stick to the run, utilizing Kyler Murray, utilizing Chase Edwinds.

1088
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: I believe cha chase Edwinds missed a couple of holes

1089
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: that you know on that left side that Kevin Beachum

1090
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: opened up. But that was the biggest difference for me,

1091
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: just sticking to the run, because now you go back

1092
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: to a balance attack. Now Christian Karrok opens up for

1093
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: a thirty place yard bomb. Aj Green opens up for

1094
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: those bombs you obviously, Anton Wesley's nineteen yard receptions, things

1095
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: like that were the difference. Now, that's why I agree

1096
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: with with Keensbury. They didn't They might have not been

1097
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: as effective, but the fact that they stuck to it,

1098
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that balances your attack. I don't I

1099
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: don't disagree with that. I got a couple points to

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00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: make one um. I think they need to stick to

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00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: the run. From the standpoint, I think two of their

1102
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: best skill guys left are there two running backs. I

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00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: think having the ball in those guys hands, whether it's

1104
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: short passes or runs, I don't really care. Those are

1105
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: the guys I want to be making plays, So that's

1106
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: that would be one reason. But like, I don't know,

1107
00:55:55,120 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: I just I feel like it's it's a chicken or

1108
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: the egg thing. And I understand where you're coming from

1109
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: on that. I just feel like, if he doesn't, if

1110
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray doesn't hit on some of those big passes,

1111
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have the ability to stick with a

1112
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: run that much because you're gonna end up not getting

1113
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: enough first downs. And the problem with long drives and

1114
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys went through it a couple of times,

1115
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: and it's what the defense is predicated on for the Cardinals.

1116
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: You want these teams to go on twelve play drives

1117
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: because it's hard to do a twelve play drive. You

1118
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: don't want to give up the big plays. That's why

1119
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: you're not trying to give up the big plays. There's

1120
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: nothing that is going to ruin a team's game more

1121
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: than giving up a big play, whether it's on the

1122
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: ground or or through the air. And it's just a

1123
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: lot harder to get a big play when you're running

1124
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: the ball a lot. It just is, And I just

1125
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: I think that's I think ultimately that's part of it.

1126
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: And if you go play the Packers you're you might

1127
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: be in a couple of positions where you know it's

1128
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to just say, well, we're just gonna

1129
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: kind of grind it out, because I don't think they're

1130
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna let you grind it out well, And it's easier

1131
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: to grind it out when you have James Connor back,

1132
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: yes and so and then and then don't forget Rondale Moore.

1133
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: You presume his tracking to be back for him, and

1134
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to back you mentioned Greg Dorch and

1135
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: uh even good Man. I agree. He look he had

1136
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: a burst to him and and I know, based on

1137
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: what some of the players have said, he's he's made

1138
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: guys look stupid running practice squad stuff. In practice. I mean,

1139
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's been out there and I know a

1140
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: lot of the defensive guys were enjoying watching him make

1141
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: the Cowboys look dumb because he were doing the training camp.

1142
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I was watching him in training camp

1143
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: and he was one of the most standout players in

1144
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: training Between him and Anton Wesley, I feel like they

1145
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: were the most talked about bubble guys in training camp.

1146
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: So and it's kind of, you know, ironic how they

1147
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: were to receive his actually had a pretty decent game.

1148
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: Oh can I say props to Cliff Kingsbury before he

1149
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: got out of here for being so honest about Antoine Wesley.

1150
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he basically came out after the when he's

1151
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: talked about Antoine Wesley, and he's basically said, he got

1152
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: a try out here in the first place as a

1153
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: favor to me. And then we looked at him carefully

1154
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: because and I knew what I liked, but he impressed

1155
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: everybody else. And I do think Antoine Wesley has earned

1156
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: a spot on this team. Don't get me wrong, but

1157
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Cliff has been very honest that he coached this absolutely.

1158
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: In fact, here's the quote. I was probably the only

1159
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: one in the building that knew he could meaning make

1160
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: an impact in the NFL. I'm very familiar with him.

1161
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: I watched him in college. Nobody could cover him. That's

1162
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: what Close said about Wesley, and and and we joked

1163
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: on his TV show that Wesley does not lack for confidence.

1164
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a lot of confidence, and he's

1165
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: a popular dude. When he made his touchdown catches, you

1166
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: can just tell this sideline just erupted. Guys screaming out tweezy,

1167
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: and the whole sideline emptied out to give him props.

1168
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: And you know, apparently his first touchdown catch two weeks ago,

1169
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: he tried some dance move that failed badly and he

1170
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: got a hard time about I never noticed that, but

1171
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: apparently he went to start some sort of dance room

1172
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: after his first career touchdown. I can't believe the sideline

1173
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: reporter didn't see that, and I disappointed. That's because I

1174
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: was filling in for Pash. Oh my goodness, game, I

1175
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: made a kalpa. I just stepped out right there. Danny

1176
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: Seraki blew it. That's right, that's right, that's right. Danny

1177
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: takes a shot just like I took a shot from

1178
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: the head coach. But he actually, no, he pulled it up.

1179
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who told you that, but he actually

1180
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: pulled it off. If you go back and look at

1181
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: the video, he does like this robot thing where he's

1182
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: like moving his chest but his head stays still stays still.

1183
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the locker room agrees with you, but

1184
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, so it was a locker room. Wasn't

1185
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: another old guy like me saying you didn't know? Well,

1186
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: it could have been a coach who said, did you

1187
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: happen to see that generational problems actually looks cool? Because

1188
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: Jesse around the one of our videographers on the social

1189
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: media side, he actually gets or one of the elci's guys,

1190
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: they get a full long view of his dance and

1191
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: you literally see the head standing still at an angle,

1192
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: but you see his body just like rotating around his head.

1193
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: It's actually pretty cool. Yes, please do we gotta check

1194
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 1: on that, because you know that'd be a good poll

1195
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: question crazy cardinals dot com. You know, is this a

1196
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: shout or should he get uh, you know, chided for

1197
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: this sort of thing. So, by the way, my question

1198
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: to the to the head coach was and here we go.

1199
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: My question was, um, when it comes to parts of

1200
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: your job that you enjoy, Cliff is handing out game

1201
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: balls after a win, would you say that's one of

1202
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: the more enjoyable parts of your job? And and he paused,

1203
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, absolutely, I would agree that. They

1204
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: said right up there, we're doing this show. That's like

1205
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: when he got asked earlier this year, it was just

1206
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: a complete deadpan, earhole job of yours. Truly, it's he

1207
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: somebody asked him earlier this year about how much he

1208
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: loved doing press conferences exactly, remember that one, though, Yes,

1209
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: if you gave him the option to never meet the media,

1210
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Oh, he'd be so out of there. I mean,

1211
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: it's not like he doesn't like us. Well okay, sure,

1212
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: then I don't know. I don't think we want the

1213
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: answer to that, to be honest with you, probably you

1214
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: know it's uh, that gave me a good laugh, good

1215
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: good one. I like that's a good drum roll. If Craig,

1216
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: if Craig, if Craig Reeler was still listening right now,

1217
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: actually it might be more about Craig than any of us.

1218
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: Let just just saying. And then you rewarded him today

1219
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: this week, though you rewarded him, this was right. I

1220
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: did give him, I did give him department awards. So

1221
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: I think I've earned the right, you know, to uh

1222
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: for a dig or two. So the equity cashing in

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