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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is John Hawkins from culturecitle dot com. Hi, John,

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Speaker 1: so nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: It is so good to see you. I have not

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Speaker 2: seen you for gosh, It's probably been a decade since

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Speaker 2: the last time I saw the two of us got

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Speaker 2: together in person. So so great to see.

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Speaker 1: You, So good to see you too, too long for sure.

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Speaker 1: But we do go way back. We are old timey

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Speaker 1: blogger friends. Your blog was called right Wing News and

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Speaker 1: it was one of the biggest blogs in the world

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Speaker 1: in our blogging time. How did you get into that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I had always wanted to write, and I got

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Speaker 2: so angry and that during the election with al Gore

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Speaker 2: and Bush when they were saying because I was just

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Speaker 2: I wasn't in politics, and I'm sitting there watching and

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Speaker 2: they're saying, I think it was I think I saw

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Speaker 2: it on CNN or c SPAN where something came across

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Speaker 2: as one was like Bush concede and It's like, what

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Speaker 2: this is ridiculous. Somebody needs to start a site. So

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Speaker 2: I started a site that got me going and we

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Speaker 2: kind of went from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my radicalizing moment also the two thousand election.

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Speaker 1: Like I always was a conservative and I kind of

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Speaker 1: like watched politics in the background. But the two thousand election,

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Speaker 1: I was like, they are trying to steal this election,

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Speaker 1: and that was it. I sought out Republicans in New

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Speaker 1: York City. I started going to Republican events. That was

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Speaker 1: the moment where I was like, oh, I have to

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Speaker 1: get more involved in this because clearly bad things are happening.

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Speaker 1: So you start writing news, how does it take off?

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Speaker 1: Do do you have like a moment where you remember

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Speaker 1: a large number of people started reading you.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's really two levels of taking off. The first

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Speaker 2: level of taking off as a blog it did pretty well,

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Speaker 2: in fact, at one point, and this very few people

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Speaker 2: know this, but Ben Shapiro reached out to me and

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Speaker 2: he suggested that me him Kurt slicked her and I

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Speaker 2: forget the last person she was on Fox Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: we all get together and run right wing news. And

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Speaker 2: I didn't take him up on it. But now it's like, man,

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Speaker 2: maybe that could have been the Daily Wire. Now I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I would have done better because it

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Speaker 2: would have been split four ways. So I did pretty

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Speaker 2: much the right wing news. So it's like what I

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Speaker 2: of course, on the other hand, you know, when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about paying Steven Crowder eighty million dollars or whatever

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Speaker 2: it was, they must be doing really, really well. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that was that. But the thing that really kicked

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Speaker 2: me off was Facebook because we were one of the

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Speaker 2: first Facebook plages to take off. There were some other

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Speaker 2: ones out there, but people hadn't heard of them. So

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Speaker 2: right wing News everybody kind of knew the name, and

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Speaker 2: once we got on Facebook and exploded, Man, we just

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Speaker 2: took off like a like a nuclear bomb.

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Speaker 1: So your news site is culture Sitle. What is that

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Speaker 1: all about?

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Speaker 2: Culture Sitle. It's not a news site. I'm writing about

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Speaker 2: the culture. I'm doing columns, long form essays, that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing, culture self help, a little bit of politics

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Speaker 2: in there too. But I wanted to do something. It

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Speaker 2: feels like everybody is doing click bait and rage bait

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Speaker 2: and right I did some of that back in the

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Speaker 2: day when I ran away we use and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to do it anymore. I don't think it's healthy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look where it's gone. You've got Candice Owen's

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Speaker 2: just running around making up stuff. She's running soap operas,

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Speaker 2: with real people.

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Speaker 1: She's just maybe watching I mean people. It's very hard

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Speaker 1: a lot going on that I understand why people can't

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Speaker 2: But eventually that ends in lawsuits and destruction because she's

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Speaker 2: making up stuff about real people, and you know, it's

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Speaker 2: not like soap opera characters, you know, like I like

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Speaker 2: the male example of a soap opera I used to

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Speaker 2: there's vampires and this season she hates this guy and

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Speaker 2: this season she's making out with the vampire and did

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Speaker 2: da da, Well she's doing that except as with real people,

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Speaker 2: and it's gonna blow up on her so big and

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to be a part of that, And

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Speaker 2: the culture and what's going on with conservatism, economics, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of that kind of thing self help stuff.

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Speaker 1: I love that actually. So you wrote a book which

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Speaker 1: I read a few years ago, one hundred and one Things.

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Speaker 1: I thought you read it should Know? Yeah, I quoted

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Speaker 1: one point. I remember, I think, I don't remember what

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Speaker 1: something about in the book, which you know it happens, John,

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Speaker 1: We can disagree sometimes hurtfull k. So what was that

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Speaker 1: book all about? And what made you write a book

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Speaker 2: Well as one hundred and one Things all young adults

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Speaker 2: should Know? It was top fifty and self help for

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Speaker 2: a while. It did pretty well, slowed down since then,

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Speaker 2: but I wanted to it was you know, I've tried

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Speaker 2: those articles about things advice for young people that did

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Speaker 2: I think there's so much stuff in there that's useful,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, some things change over time. So you know,

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Speaker 2: there was no AI when I wrote the book, for example,

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Speaker 2: none that was available to the public. But so much

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Speaker 2: of it's timeless, so much of it does not change

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Speaker 2: from generation to generation. That book was written, I think

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're all still relevant today. So I thought,

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Speaker 1: I love that. Did you hear from many young people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of people. I've had people reach out,

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Speaker 2: So the book did really well. I was really happy

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Speaker 2: follow up. I've written like a much shorter I've written well,

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Speaker 2: I did want it. It was a Kendle short, and

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Speaker 1: So this show that you're on right now has an

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Speaker 1: I sometimes I answer their questions. The number one question

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Speaker 1: I make friends? Did you have like a theme like

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Speaker 2: And I understand their pain because I remember before the Internet,

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Speaker 2: The Internet was like an extension of the real world.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's the key thing is you've really

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Speaker 2: I Mean, one thing I do in my area is

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Speaker 2: Well they were doing great till they raised the rates

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Speaker 2: You just got to go through the churn. And you know,

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Speaker 2: you're from New York and Florida. I mean, you're a

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you would say the same thing or something similar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do say the same or something similar. But

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Speaker 1: I also acknowledge that it has gotten a lot harder.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming up on four years living in Florida, and

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Speaker 1: I've made friends, but not that many, and I am

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Speaker 1: much more of a homebody as I get older. And

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Speaker 1: the thing is, you already have your friends, right like

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Speaker 1: So it gets a lot harder to meet sort of

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Speaker 1: of thing that gets tougher. So I understand why people

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Speaker 1: if you had a component of friendship. I know it's

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Speaker 2: I think the first thing that comes to mind was

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Speaker 2: you've got to be the one that asks. You've got

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What are you most

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Speaker 2: That was such a hard question, Ka, because I thought

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Speaker 2: Within five years, everything that involves a human being interacting

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Speaker 2: like you could go take yourself, Carol, you can take

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Speaker 2: Every every advanced culture in the whole world right now

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Speaker 1: That this is pretty you know, concerning what about just

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Speaker 1: I mean, is opinion maker going to matter? If everything's

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think the last things to

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Speaker 2: But it's gonna get there. And when it does, I

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Speaker 2: But if you get to the point where you can't

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Speaker 2: also like, we need to be interesting so the AI

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Speaker 1: That I don't be interesting.

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Speaker 2: So but yeah, so it's it's hard to say how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. My fifteen year old daughter says

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Speaker 1: that she foresees just communism, because what else are you

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Speaker 2: Well, there is a possibility, and this is the nice

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Speaker 2: scenario that Elon Musk always suggests, is like we make

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Speaker 2: not just something like a universal basic income, but universal

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Speaker 2: basic wealth. Think Star Trek with replicators, where everybody's like,

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Speaker 2: I want a big house and I want to have

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Speaker 2: whatever this is, and you've got so much robots and

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Speaker 2: so much AI, they just make it for you and

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Speaker 2: that's possible too, but that's also the rosy scenario, very rosy,

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Speaker 2: and look, it's possible. I don't want to say it's

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Speaker 2: not possible. The scary thing would be artificial general intelligence

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Speaker 2: because it's creating something smarter than us that may not

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Speaker 2: have the same object as we have, and think about it,

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Speaker 2: we programmed it. I mean, it's like chimps creating human

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Speaker 2: beings and giving them machine guns and going, hey, use

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Speaker 2: those for goody, good.

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Speaker 1: Luck with them. Baby. Yeah. Well, on that very cheery note, John,

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Speaker 1: it has been wonderful talking to you. I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like we see enough of each other, and it's been

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Speaker 1: great to catch up. I loved having you on my show.

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Speaker 1: Leave us here with your best tip for my listener

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Speaker 1: on how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: I thought about this too. One thing I'd say, if

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Speaker 2: I'll give you two quick things. One the Paretto principle,

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Speaker 2: go out everything in life is eighty twent Find the

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Speaker 2: stuff the twenty most valuable important things in your life,

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Speaker 2: find a way to get more of them so that

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Speaker 2: that becomes forty and sixty percent of your life. And

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Speaker 2: take the worst things that's like, oh my god, I

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Speaker 2: can't believe I'm doing this, and cut it out and

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Speaker 2: get rid of it, get rid of the very worst things.

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Speaker 2: It's like I do not mow my lawn. I pay

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Speaker 2: someone to mow my lawn because I owe my lawn.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, and this is a big one.

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Speaker 2: Life is cumulative. So don't ever think, UH doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: if I do this thirty years from now. These little

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Speaker 2: decisions you make today are going to have an impact.

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Speaker 2: So live your life like what you do today matters

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Speaker 2: to the future you, because it does.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely Here is John Hawkins. You could check them out

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Speaker 1: at culturecitle dot com. Thank you so much for coming on, John, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much for having me. Kay