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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio, March Means

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Speaker 1: Women's History, Monk, and we're gonna celebrate here at QLs

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Speaker 1: as we travel back to twenty twenty one for this

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Speaker 1: mic drop episode with none other than Tracy Ellis Ross.

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Speaker 1: Whether you heard before or not, you're really gonna love

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Speaker 1: this one. I know, I do.

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Speaker 2: All right, enjoy your lighting designer should be paid?

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Speaker 1: He looks, yeah, I'm the job.

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Speaker 3: See you, guys. That means you would be paying Mother

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Speaker 3: Nature or God.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I tell Tracy, trying to tell

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Speaker 1: us that she's someone using juices and berries. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if like, I don't know how invoices

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Speaker 3: come from Mother Nature. I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how to do.

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Speaker 4: That write A month later, it's gonna be a patterned

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Speaker 1: I actually want to skip the want to skip the Injoe,

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Speaker 1: are you ready to go?

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Speaker 3: I'm recording. I'm recording, is recording, is recording right now?

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Speaker 1: All right, we're all recording. I'm recording right now. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen. First of all, all all of the team

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Speaker 1: Supremer say hello at the same time. Hello, guys. Hello, Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, today's a day. No, you're not a team supremer.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry you guys responding to.

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Speaker 1: The hello as I You're not family yet. Hang on,

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Speaker 1: let's let's let.

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Speaker 3: Us Dutch you I apologize, apologize.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, today's the day of miracles. It's so miraculous. I

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Speaker 1: don't even I don't even I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: waste a nano second giving you good people are guest

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Speaker 1: impressive resident of the may we can reviewer life at

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Speaker 1: the same time, you know, as a group. Uh and

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Speaker 1: I'm not even being dramatic because I'm afraid she's going

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Speaker 1: to disappear. So blah blah blah blah blah, lyrics, lounges

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, girlfriends, iconic parents blah blah blah, siblings, everybody, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I blah, please welcome Tracy Ellis Ross the Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: How did this moment happen? Blah blah blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I just want to say, Tracy, I've

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Speaker 1: never stalked as Yeah, I've never stalked a like a

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Speaker 1: person I consider a friend like be one thing when

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Speaker 1: I creep in Rihanna's DMS like, we don't have a

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Speaker 1: relationship like that. I've been I've been slowly poaching you

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Speaker 1: bit by bit, like I would do like tiny comments

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Speaker 1: on all your social media to be like, oh man,

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Speaker 1: let me follow him. Then I'm jumping in your dms

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Speaker 1: and trying to get and that would never happen. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know how this moment that that.

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Speaker 3: Is ridiculous because by the way, the moment I finally

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Speaker 3: saw your DM three years later. Three years later, but

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Speaker 3: I saw it and I was like, what do you

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Speaker 3: mean You've been trying to get I'm like, what are

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Speaker 3: you talking about? Of course I'll do that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I want to I want to let all all

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Speaker 1: polite stalkers know and I say this.

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Speaker 3: You ain't going to get to me.

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Speaker 1: Really, I'd like that just a little bit, a little

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Speaker 1: bit at a time. Persistence does work, but you know

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Speaker 1: I had to stalk here. How are you today, Trace?

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Speaker 3: I really like today. I'm really really good today. I

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Speaker 3: am back from Cabo and my first sort of foray away.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time since I've had a break.

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Speaker 3: This pandemic, like for everybody, was just really challenging. And

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Speaker 3: I also didn't stop through the whole thing. I had

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Speaker 3: a movie that came out right at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: the pandemic, at the beginning of Lockdown, a week after

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Speaker 3: George Floyd's murder, and it just it just has not stopped.

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Speaker 1: So how was it being like business as usual?

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Speaker 3: There was no business as usual, and it was a

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was so excited. It was the first

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Speaker 3: genuine grief and loss that was occurring, but a personal disappointment. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: But bo wait, I will say probably the glass half

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The weekend that you guys in Palm Springs came out,

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Speaker 3: It's so funny. I didn't watch any TV. Screens were

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Speaker 3: not my thing. I was reading at the beginning, reading

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Speaker 3: back to old books I'd already read. How'd you read? Uh?

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Speaker 3: So I listened to that. I went back to all

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Speaker 3: sure what's happening here. This is very much to take in.

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Speaker 1: Was Tiger King. The lowest, I'll say, probably for me,

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Speaker 1: was Selling sun That Set was the lowest that I

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Speaker 3: Wait? Can I just tell you something? Selling Sunset was

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Speaker 5: My whole I did not watch all three seasons.

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Speaker 3: Here, you can go down with that.

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Speaker 1: So let me preface A friend of like, I'm a

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Speaker 1: thirty rock So a friend of mine at Saturday Night

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Speaker 1: Live was doing a Selling Sunset spoof for the show,

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Speaker 1: I still have not.

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Speaker 3: Watched an episode of the Kardashians.

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Speaker 5: Ever in your whole life.

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Speaker 3: No, I why really, none of y'all, I really.

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Speaker 1: Have gentlemen, I'm giving you the biggest side I right now,

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Speaker 3: First of all, you do get enough of the snippets

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Speaker 3: on cram Ma'll come through? I did, I will. I

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Speaker 3: of this fight? Is this the final This is the

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Speaker 3: final season, right, Leslie.

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Speaker 5: I'm not supposed to know that, but yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: But when I I was about to say, you seem

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my content can go on there. But when I

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Speaker 5: I was like, that's okay, when do we start admitting

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Speaker 3: I'm so right now, right now, yeah, right now, proud, proud,

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Speaker 3: And I'm happy to say, No, that's not for me.

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Speaker 1: I will say that as a person that lives in

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Speaker 1: saying that if it's on, I don't turn it off.

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Speaker 3: So and by the way, I'm not I'm not hating,

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Speaker 3: as I said, it's just not for me, you know

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Speaker 1: Other people have said.

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Speaker 3: Worse is the diplomatic way to It's totally quiet for

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Speaker 3: don't I listen to music, but I don't have a

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Speaker 4: Do you get do you get overwhelmed by the music

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Speaker 4: like you do everything else? Because I don't know about you,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, well I don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean I talk for a living and so like

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Speaker 3: at a certain point, I'm just like move enough, like

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Speaker 3: when I'm packing to go somewhere. It's such an ordeal.

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Speaker 3: It's such an ordeal. And I'm such an overpacker, and

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Speaker 3: the shame about the overpack. It just is what it is.

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Speaker 3: I am. My friends find it hilarious and so annoying.

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Speaker 4: What I was.

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Speaker 3: No, it's it's Prince.

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Speaker 3: I mean, morality is a tough one. I think values

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Speaker 1: But that's just I think it's going to be a

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Speaker 3: I'm not atoning. I'm trying to get as free as

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Speaker 1: Hey man, talking shit. Okay, I have to ask you, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I think I told you the story before that. Instead

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Speaker 3: You're not the only one. I can't remember who else,

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you why I put that in

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Speaker 3: He had this whole story and I was like that,

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Okay, but by the way, we only got Tracy on

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Speaker 4: Yes, I have a legendary picture of him myself that

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Speaker 3: Okay. So to answer your question about when did it

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Speaker 3: was gone, she would call us at dinner time or

438
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: bedtime and in the morning sore. The sense of home

439
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 3: and normalcy that I grew up in was home and normal.

440
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't carted all over the world in some crazy way.

441
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: And then on the summers we would go. She would

442
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: rent a home somewhere and have a home base. So

443
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: she would rent a home in London. We would live there.

444
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: She would charter out every night to go fly to

445
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: her gigs. I call them gigs still, it's really funny.

446
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: She would go fly to her shows and then come back.

447
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: So the sense of normalcy that I had, it wasn't

448
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: like I was, you know, I was going to school,

449
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: I was doing all the regular things. The other piece

450
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 3: of it is that I went to Dalton growing up,

451
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: and I went to school with Robert Redford's kids, the

452
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: Ralph Lauren children. I'm trying to think za Bar's children,

453
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: like all of these people who were part of the

454
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: fabric of American culture. So it was normalized for all

455
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: of us. We were just kids who our parents were.

456
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 3: Was not like a thing, and it didn't come up

457
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: like it wasn't a part of what was happening in

458
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: my dynamics as a kid. I started to realize it

459
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: and have really felt the impact of it later in

460
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: my life. But there were a couple of indicators that

461
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: shit was weird, Like when you would go with your

462
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: mom to work and leave and there would be throngs

463
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: of people banging on the outside of the car, and

464
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: like security would have to escort us with police to

465
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: wherever we went, and you know, like things like that

466
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: were you know clearly like I'm not a dummy, Like

467
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: I was like this can't be normal, Like this is

468
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: not this is not a normal thing. But because of

469
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: the groundedness of how we were raised, how I was,

470
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: I say, we too, like I'm a Roda Tracy Chutney.

471
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 3: So because of how we were raised that the magnitude

472
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: of that didn't quite dawn on me until I was

473
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: an adult and realized that I wouldn't even be doing

474
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: what I was doing were it not for what my

475
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: mom did and the way that she paved You know

476
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: that there there were places and spaces that I would

477
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: not be able to inhabit and certainly wouldn't have the

478
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: confidence in inhabiting had it not been not only for

479
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 3: the career of my mom, but also how I was raised.

480
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: And so you know, I don't know if that answers

481
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: your question. And then the third thing you asked, was.

482
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: I never had a meta rabbit hole before.

483
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was so old points still like she stayed.

484
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: There was a third but anyway, so it's jogged another

485
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 3: thought for you.

486
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: All right, well, okay, can you I always tried to

487
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: imagine what it was like to grow up in Los

488
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: Angeles or Hollywood, assuming that you grew up.

489
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 3: I grew up in New York. Really, yeah, New York,

490
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: New York, and Europe. So I was born here in

491
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: La I went to the Center, and then we moved

492
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: to New York so my mom could do the WIZ

493
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: in seventy nine, and we left and started school in

494
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 3: New York in seventy nine and stayed there until seventh grade,

495
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: and I'm we moved to Paris and then Switzerland, so

496
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 3: I did eighth and ninth grade in Europe, which are

497
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: pivotal years, and then moved back to the East Coast

498
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: and then went to Brown.

499
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Speaker 5: You've got a couple of languages and maybe oh I

500
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 5: just forgot all my friends.

501
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: I have lost most of my vocabulary, but I have

502
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: a strong French accent that can, you know, get me

503
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: by and I can speak English with a French accent

504
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: like nobody's business. Then you have no idea because you

505
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: don't know that I speak English of conscience. Isn't about

506
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: to because the people they wander. I don't know how

507
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 3: you stay in English because the people are the wonder

508
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: all the time? You know how you say, how you say?

509
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 4: Uh?

510
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 5: You know, wait, I'm sorry, I'm mere almos, Tracy, Tracy?

511
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 7: Do you right? I do?

512
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: I write so me.

513
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: It's it's funny because I was just thinking you. I

514
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: know you've done improv. I seen you sketch comedy with

515
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 4: the lyricists lounge. Of course, you're a funny lady.

516
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 5: How come? And I know your ian a stand up?

517
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 5: Have you ever thought of like just doing.

518
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: I've not done stand up, but I have to tell

519
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 3: you I mean this. I'm forty eight years old. At

520
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: my forty eight, I'm forty eight, and I'm going through

521
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 3: the beginning of some changes, some perimenopause. And I've got

522
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 3: to tell you that I get to stand up on

523
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: this ship because I first of all, it's got Did

524
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 3: you see the that two second pool video I posted?

525
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: Yes, thoughts there.

526
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 5: I heard about that fool video. It's funny. I don't

527
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 5: think it's two seconds.

528
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: It's two seconds in that video, Tracy.

529
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 5: It don't matter. You was in a bathing suit. That's

530
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 5: what I heard. That's all I had in a pool.

531
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I have a like it wasn't

532
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: me in a bathing suit in the kitchen actually in

533
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: the pool.

534
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like, why is this two seconds?

535
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 5: You should do that?

536
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: Because a female comedian told me that female shouldn't talk

537
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 4: about female issues, so please do that.

538
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: Why I wish more people would talk about it. I

539
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: don't know about you, but some of the sexiest and

540
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: most admirable women that I look at are my age

541
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: and older. I want to know what's happening and.

542
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 5: It's still happening, and how it happens and what it is,

543
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 5: and like.

544
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: It should be demestified. And I don't think it should

545
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: be scary to men either. I think it's it's certainly

546
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: not the end of my life. I am not being

547
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: pushed out on a canoe out into nowhere. I'll tell

548
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: you that right now. I, as I said before, am

549
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: a liberated woman. I am out here living my life

550
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: in all of its fullness. And I think people we

551
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: should talk about it in that way so that we

552
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: let go of the stigma. It's the same thing like

553
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: on Blackish when we did that episode on postpartum depression.

554
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: Why are we not talking about these things when you're

555
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: siloed off by yourself, that's when you feel termally unique

556
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: and you don't think that you can you know, it's

557
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: just you that's in that situation. Nah, We're all doing it.

558
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: And by the way, men have their own version of

559
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: what's happening at this age as their home hormones are

560
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: shifting and changing.

561
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, hey, well yeah, I was about to say,

562
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: will set it off yesterday, even though this is coming

563
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: on way later.

564
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was so charming and lovely.

565
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: That he did that, and that was my favorite post. Yes,

566
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: it was so lovely.

567
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: But I also have to say, like a friend, so

568
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: many friends and me if text I did a video

569
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: on that on Instagram too, of people saying, you know,

570
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: I've gained so much weight. Good, bravo, thank your body.

571
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: You just made it through a pandemic. What else were

572
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: you supposed to do? And I'm sorry, but that layer

573
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 3: of softness welcome it because the shit was hard and

574
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: scary and sharp out there.

575
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: Everybody make it?

576
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: No, you know, and so and and our joy and

577
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: spontaneity was all funneled into very few spaces, most of

578
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: which involved food and drink. So what y'all thought was

579
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: gonna happen? Well, I've never done that, but you know that.

580
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: But don't worry. It's okay. I'm okay.

581
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: No truth, truth that you never had, no truth at all.

582
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: No, and my friends know. I call it the devil's lettuce.

583
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 5: Why did they let you in? The lyrics is lounge?

584
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, I don't.

585
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Know it can happen. I'm gonna leave bloom or two trades. Yeah,

586
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: I will aide you through this.

587
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been I've been saying. I mean, I have

588
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: so many stories about me thinking I'm gonna walk that

589
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: way and.

590
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 5: Wait till fifty. Just go ahead of wait till fifty.

591
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe it'll be my fiftieth birthday. You can send

592
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: me a package.

593
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: I'll leave the light one for you. Trust me, I

594
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: got you. I got okay. So I always wanted to know,

595
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: as far as you're growing up as concerned and that

596
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: you were paired with other kids that were sort of

597
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: in the same position as you, at what point, at

598
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: any point, did you ever had to adjust in a

599
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: world in which people weren't of that sort of cut

600
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: from that that same cloth, where you had to deal

601
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: with everyday people, Like, at what point.

602
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: Were you every day in life? I mean I was,

603
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: you know. I First of all, the way I was

604
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: raised again is everybody is a person. I am one

605
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: of people. I was not raised to think I was

606
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: better than anybody. I had certain different opportunities and experiences

607
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: than other people, but I was always taught to connect

608
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: on the places that we are the same. We've all

609
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: got blood running through our veins, and we all have feelings,

610
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: and we all most of us are getting up every

611
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: day trying to do our best and work our hardest

612
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: and and sort of make at least our lives work

613
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: and function properly. So I also come I don't know

614
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: if I was taught this, if I came up with this,

615
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: if you know, but to sort of put my my

616
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: humanness as the front runner of who I am not.

617
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: And first of all, I didn't do that. My mom

618
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: did all those things. Did she keep.

619
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 5: You around like a couple of Detroit cousins just to

620
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 5: make sure do y'all knew.

621
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: I went to Detroit every summer, and that's how you

622
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, on a palette on the floor, and

623
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: on Bobby's house up the street from Grandmammy, and Bobby

624
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: sat me between her legs and did my hair with

625
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: that goodie comb and tried to kill my scalp. And

626
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: you know, Grandmammy, my Grandma lined us up outside the

627
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: fancy bathroom downstairs and put all the cousins and put

628
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: mayonnaise in our hair on the on the laid on

629
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: the kitchen sink, put our head in the sink, and

630
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: then filled our hair with mayonnaise. You had to walk

631
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: around smell on like a sandwich forever to get your hair.

632
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean, all all of our cousins and boys and girls.

633
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: It wasn't just the girl, the girls like the boys

634
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: and girl. We all got lined up step and Monica Kevin, Kevin,

635
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: we all just line up.

636
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 5: We see that in rainbow that is so beautiful. That's dope,

637
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 5: it's funny.

638
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: So so yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, we weren't

639
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: sheltered to be up in some crystal palace somewhere, although

640
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 3: we lived, you know, in a hotel and I got

641
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: to work in a rolls at the school at a

642
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: Rolls rods every day with a driver by the name

643
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: of Bartha.

644
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 5: But that's.

645
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: As you do.

646
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, okay, So yeah, I'm like, okay, so

647
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: these things also did happen. I'm not saying they didn't, but.

648
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 5: Wow, that's amazing Christmas a Ritz.

649
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: But then we were in Detroit in summers, so.

650
00:33:53,640 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: They did you. I know that singing at least when

651
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: when I first met you in the early arts, singing

652
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: was always a big passion of yours. With a household

653
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: like yours, in an environment like you grew up in,

654
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: how easy was it for you to express the desire

655
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: to want to do something in the arts or not

656
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: be shy about.

657
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: It, Like Harry, My mother supported us in finding our

658
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: version of expression in whatever that looked like.

659
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: But you know, are you the only singing Ross?

660
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: No, Ronda is a singer, Evan's a singer.

661
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm the last I forgot your brother Evan Ross, that's okay, I'm.

662
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: The last to the party. And it's so funny because

663
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: I remember, I can't remember how many years ago it was,

664
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: but my mom was in Vegas and on stage and

665
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: she was like, you know, my children sing blah blah

666
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: blah whatever, and I want to bring someone up to

667
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 3: sing with me. And I'm like standing there, like, go ahead, Evan,

668
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 3: go ahead, you know whatever, and she said my name,

669
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: and I was like, with what's happening right now? I

670
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: was like, this is not my thing. I'm the funny one.

671
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: What are we doing? What's happening? And she made me

672
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: sing on stage and it was so hilarious because if

673
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: you watch the video, you see my mom turn into

674
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: my mom and think, oh no, did I just put

675
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: Tracy put my baby in a position that she didn't

676
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: want to be in inadvertently, like did I make her

677
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: put her, you know, too exposed on something that makes

678
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 3: her shy? And she sort of she got this tone

679
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: in her voice that was such my mom's tone of Okay,

680
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: everybody be quiet because this is important, like quiet, we need,

681
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: we need to support this moment. Be quiet?

682
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Are you speaking of the infamous? When she puts people

683
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: on the spot to sing reach Out and touch No.

684
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: She put me on stage and had me sing this

685
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: sing like Billie Holiday.

686
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Oh, Like I.

687
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: Sing that around the house and she was like, go ahead,

688
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: did you? Because every time I mean I sang in

689
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 3: high school and whatever, every time I sang. When I

690
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: was twenty two, my mom said to me, all right, Tracy,

691
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: it's time. And I was like, it's time for what.

692
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: She's like, it's time for you to record an album.

693
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: And I was like hell, no, no, no, no, no, no,

694
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: no no no, I'm gonna go the other way. It's like, nope,

695
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 3: we're gonna make people laugh and we're just gonna keep

696
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: them at arm's length and that'll be good.

697
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: But why, Okay, in hindsight, why do you think that

698
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: was your decision?

699
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: Uh, for a lot of reasons. I think unconsciously, I

700
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: the idea of being compared to my mom was just

701
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: too much to think of. I had also seen children

702
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: of be obliterated in the press, just shredded, and you

703
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 3: think back to that time and being the child of

704
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: or any of those things, that's not that was not

705
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: cool then, that was not something. That was also the

706
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 3: time when you didn't move from TV to movies, and

707
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: you didn't move from being a host to an actor,

708
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: like everything was very pigeonholed. And there certainly wasn't this

709
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: spirit of oh, you're Dona Ross's child. Maybe you want

710
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: to say, no, not at all. And I look like

711
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: my mom, And the truth is I sound kind of

712
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: like her. So you know there was no you put

713
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: you as soon as you put a sparkly dress on me.

714
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen it now. I want a golden globe.

715
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: I've been doing working in the I'm forty eight years old.

716
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: I'm not a child anymore, and I still cannot do

717
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: anything without my mom's name. Like maybe my mom's just

718
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: like it's she's larger, she's an.

719
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Interesting let me but let me, let me interject. I

720
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: definitely now feel as though, you know, to Dinah Ross,

721
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: it's like, yo, Tracy Ellis is your daughter, Like, yeah,

722
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: you've done You've definitely done something that is I don't

723
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: know if any person, maybe Janet Overcoming who her her

724
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: brothers were, to be in her own right, but yeah,

725
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: like you've made your own name though. Yeah, yeah, you're

726
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: when history books are written, like you know, you have

727
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: your own and not even to compare like.

728
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: That, you know, like we can all well, that was

729
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: part of what I came to I mean and understood

730
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: it's like and an adult mind can look at it

731
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: that way, but a kid cannot. And so now I know,

732
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 3: like I'm not my mom right, Like I'm not trying

733
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: to be here, I'm not like never, that's not what's happening.

734
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: But as a kid, you think you know and you have.

735
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 5: Something that's really super special.

736
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you because your production company is

737
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: named Joy Mills, but I'm assuming that you're aware that

738
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: you have that superpower and that's why you named it that.

739
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 4: Are you aware that, like Tracy Ellen's Ross is a

740
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 4: joy bringer.

741
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: That like makes my heart very very full.

742
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to tell you.

743
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: My I was born Tracy Joy Silverstein. That's my name,

744
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: so right.

745
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 5: Now, so because I'm like, well what about mister Ellen.

746
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, go ahead, Okay, So this is and that

747
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: was the third point, okay about my dad. So when

748
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: I joined so like many kids, uh so, then I

749
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: was Tracy Joy Ross Silberstein all through growing up. T

750
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: j R s were my initials all through growing up.

751
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: But then, like so many people, you dropped this name.

752
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 5: That name is too long.

753
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: I was Tracy Joy Ross. You know what I mean,

754
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: drop these names too many names. So I became Tracy

755
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: Joy Ross. And then when I joined SAG there was

756
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: another Tracy Ross in the Union. Remember Tracy Ross.

757
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: She was.

758
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: Yes.

759
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 5: I thought, yeah, very.

760
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 3: She grew up.

761
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know you were my age.

762
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 5: I thought, like, you know, we don't all look alike.

763
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 5: They with nothing alive.

764
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: I heard the name Tracy Ellis. I remember watching that

765
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: Tracy Ross on Star Search.

766
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 5: He was a hero.

767
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: And then she thought like, oh, that's Dinah Ross's daughter.

768
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: That's the one she talked about.

769
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: When I joined the Union, there was another Tracy Ross.

770
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: So they were like, uh, do you want to be

771
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: Tracy Joy Ross in the Union? And I was like yes,

772
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 3: But everybody like I look like my mom, and people

773
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: know I'm my mom's child and I'm so much a

774
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: product of both of my parents, Like I am my

775
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: dad's child and I'm my mom's child. And I wanted

776
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: him to have a steak. You know, it's so crazy

777
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: because I talk so much about women and women of color,

778
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: and particularly black and brown women, that we historically have

779
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 3: not had a steak in what we make, and even

780
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: with our children, we give up our name, and so

781
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: there's often this you can't even follow our bloodline because

782
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: of that. But we have been at the center of economic, cultural,

783
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 3: political revolutions in this country, and we are often doing

784
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: the work, but not centered in the prize from that work.

785
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: And strangely enough, I was worried about my dad having

786
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 3: a piece of what he made, and so I put

787
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: Ellis in my name and I became Tracy Ellis Ross

788
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: at the beginning of my career, and my first you know,

789
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: SAG card was Tracy Ellis Ross And now you know,

790
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: my name goes up there and people go and Bob

791
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: Elis's kid.

792
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: Okay, what was the first major creative thing that you

793
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: at least for you, What was the first major creative

794
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: thing that you did as far as doing television or

795
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: commercials or well.

796
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: The first big thing I did was the gap ad

797
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: with my mom. Yeah, and I remember it was on

798
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: billboards and it was like a big wall and an airport.

799
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: I walked through and I was just like, oh my god,

800
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: I made fifteen hundred dollars and I thought I had

801
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 3: made I was like, I'm rich. God, I don't meet

802
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: my mother I'm rich. It's like, that was so amazing.

803
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: I could pay my own doctor's fees. I can just

804
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: I can make my own food. Was a crud. I

805
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: was so much money. I was like, I was like,

806
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: I will never work again. I actually think it was

807
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: it was seven hundred and fifty dollars and then I

808
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: think I made fifteen hundred on the first show I did.

809
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: But then the next thing was I did an Infinity commercial.

810
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: So I was modeling with Wilhelmine Agency and I went

811
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: in for a modeling like commercial job and go see

812
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: and at the place where they were doing it, they

813
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: were like the people that are doing and it was

814
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: a secret deodorant ad I went in for and there

815
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: was a sign in sheet next to it for Infinity

816
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: car commercial and whoever ran the commercial audition place was

817
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: like you should go in and try for the Infinity commercial.

818
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, yes, of course I'll drive.

819
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: So I went in and that was the job that

820
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: Taft Heart lead me into SAG, which is the job

821
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 3: that will pay the money to get you into SAG.

822
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 8: And yeah, I just love the idea that Tracy Els

823
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 8: had to Taft Hartley. I mean, I've done that and

824
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 8: it just just makes me laugh. That's okay, keep continuing,

825
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 8: doesn't But also also, why are there not people with

826
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 8: multiple names in SAG? Couldn't there be multiple Tracy?

827
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: Really?

828
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: But Nesa Williams remember William.

829
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: L.

830
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: Williams Vanessa Williams. Yeah, well ship okay? Cool? Yeah, I

831
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: learned something again.

832
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: So I got taft Heart lead in. I did that

833
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: commercial and then I don't know. I mean, it has

834
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: not been a fast and easy road for me. I

835
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: remember there was a movie called Mixing Nia that Karen

836
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: Parsons from Fresh She ended up getting that movie, and

837
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: I've never been more devastated in my life.

838
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 8: Really.

839
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, I was sure.

840
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 7: I mean that this was going to launch me into

841
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 7: the stratosphere of the Boscar. I was going to the

842
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 7: Academy Awards with my seven hundred and fifty dollars from

843
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 7: my gap ad. I was going to march my way

844
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 7: into Hollywood and be received with open arms for a

845
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 7: career that would last a lifetime.

846
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 3: Didn't happen.

847
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: What is that process like, like your version of the

848
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: Hollywood Shuffle As far as callbacks near missus, what did

849
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: you audition for that you didn't get?

850
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 7: Oh?

851
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: My God, I don't even remember. I had a three

852
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: ring binder, like one of the those Whopper three refinders

853
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 3: of like every audition I had auditioned for.

854
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 5: I didn't care.

855
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: You keep all the receipts of everything.

856
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: I didn't get nothing, really, because according to us, it's

857
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 4: like Daddy's Girls.

858
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 5: And I know, in right, like I'm trying to think no.

859
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no there from from the time that I

860
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: did I did Far Harbor, that first movie I did

861
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: with Jennifer Connolly and Marshall Harden. Okay, so I did that,

862
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: and then I did the show and before that, I

863
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 3: did the show The Dish on Lifetime. That was because

864
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: I'm a TV girl. I live in your TV and

865
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm a TV girl, like and it was like a

866
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: magazine show about TV shows.

867
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 5: What nothing? He ain't say nothing, he said.

868
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: At first I.

869
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 5: Started watching Lifetime.

870
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you know. And and then I got an

871
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 3: agent and auditioned and auditioned and auditioned and auditioned and

872
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: auditioned and auditioned and auditioned and auditioned, and I auditioned

873
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: some more and I didn't get many callbacks, and then

874
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: they dropped me. And this is what they said. It

875
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: stuck with me for a really long time. Listen, Tracy,

876
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: we're gonna let you go because you come with all

877
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: these bells and whistles, but then you get in the

878
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: room and you just don't pop.

879
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 5: Wow face bitch.

880
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 3: You know what. It was a turning point for that's crazy.

881
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 3: I could not get out of there without those you know,

882
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: those tears they sit there.

883
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 5: Because you're so ha.

884
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: You know those office chairs with the wheels, the wheels

885
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: on the box of them. I felt like my heart

886
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: had come out and it was like stuck underneath the

887
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: wheel and she kept moving the chair and it was

888
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: just getting all tangled in there with my heart and

889
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: then there was blood and stuff and then the tears,

890
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: and I couldn't get out fast enough. But I made

891
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: a decision at that point. I remember calling my sister.

892
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: I called her. I was like, you know, I don't pop,

893
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: I don't wow, I know, no popper.

894
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 5: That stand up.

895
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: At any point, did you ever consider dropping the ross

896
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: from your name?

897
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: It was too late.

898
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: The thought that like, okay, maybe they're holding that against me,

899
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: like my lineage.

900
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 9: And well, you know, I used to say that. People

901
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 9: were like, well, doesn't being done roses or open doors

902
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 9: for you.

903
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, what it does is and

904
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: unlocks the door, and then people sit on the other

905
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: side like this going, how you going to walk in?

906
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

907
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: They're like, okay, show us what. But I don't think

908
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: that had anything to do with it. I think I sucked.

909
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: I think I didn't know how to bring the person

910
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: that I was inside myself and in the privacy of

911
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: my home out into the world. And I needed that

912
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: hit in order to ask myself, did I have the

913
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 3: courage to do what it took to bring that person out?

914
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: Or did I just want to go back into my

915
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 3: hole and and sort of live privately as I chose.

916
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: You know, do you think girlfriends is what you learned

917
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: to kind of be that person?

918
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: No, I learned before girlfriends. It's the reason I got girlfriends.

919
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Actually, am I assuming? Well, I'm assuming that for I

920
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: first saw you as an adult in Lyris's lounge. So

921
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: how did how did that come to be? Yeah?

922
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: I'm so good Lyris Lounge. Okay, So there was a

923
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 3: coming out and turning point in my journey towards courageousness.

924
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: I don't remember when because I'm bad at timelines, but

925
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: I had been dropped by my agents. I moved to

926
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: la and one of the things I did was I

927
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 3: every person that I met that helped me or offered

928
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: me some information, I would write them a thank you note.

929
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: And if they said you should meet so and so,

930
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: I would say, can you call them for me? And

931
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: I would constantly do that, and that's how my career started.

932
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: So like Marcia gay Harden said you should meet my agents,

933
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 3: and I was like please.

934
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 9: And I met her agents and they were like, we

935
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 9: can't represent you, but you should meet so and so,

936
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 9: and I was like, thank you so much.

937
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: I would write a handwritten thank you note and then

938
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: they would call the person. Then I would go meet them.

939
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: And that's just how my career started. And I booked

940
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: a movie of the Week, an NBC Movie of the Week,

941
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: and then Lyricist Lounge came up and I wanted that

942
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: show so badly, and somewhere after the Movie of the Week,

943
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: as you guys can hear, I do a lot of

944
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: different voices and characters, and I love dressing up. I

945
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: love clothes. I love playing dress up. So my closet

946
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: is my happy place and I go in there and

947
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: sometimes I make a really good outfit and sometimes an

948
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 3: outfit turns into a character, and my mom had I was.

949
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 3: My mom had given a high eight video camera one Christmas,

950
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: so I set it up in my kitchen and I

951
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: stayed up until three o'clock in the morning and I

952
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 3: played dress up and I made a video of all

953
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: of these characters that I had been telling stories as

954
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: for years, and I called it my holiday It was

955
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: my holiday gift. And I sent it out to anybody

956
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: that wouldn't think I was trying to get a job.

957
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: I sent it out with a note that said, I

958
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: am sharing joy with you this holiday season. This is

959
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: my version and it was me like I was like

960
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: a crazy person, and then it said no judgment, Happy Holidays.

961
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 3: I did like an improv to Broadway song Madame Vera

962
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: was on there, Callipe Champignelle, like all of these characters

963
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: that still exist. And my agents ended up seeing it

964
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: after the holidays and sent it to the producers of

965
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: Lyrisis Lounge. I got an audition for Lyris Lounge, but

966
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 3: they did not cast me. They cast Sarah Jones. Sarah

967
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: Sarah Jones. Yeah. Sarah Jones had a values conflict with

968
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: the subject matter of the show. She felt that some

969
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: of the sketches. It didn't work for her, so she

970
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: left and they brought me in.

971
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: Wow, man, that is crazy. Does Sarah know that story?

972
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? And Sarah and I for years we had never met,

973
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 3: and a whole thing. And then she and I came

974
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: back together and met each other at the White House

975
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: with the Obamas for Missus Obama's first mentoring weekend. We

976
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: were walking to the White House together. We came down

977
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: in the elevator, walked to the White House together, and

978
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: we were like, can you believe this shit?

979
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 5: That's beautiful circle. That's a beautiful circle.

980
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: It was that amazing because I thought she hated me

981
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 3: for all those years. I was like, she left because

982
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: she couldn't do it. And then I took it, and

983
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: you know, it was a joy for me. I had

984
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: a ball doing it. And everybody has a different compass

985
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: on how they feel connected to material and it didn't

986
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: work for her, and I had no judgment of that,

987
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 3: but it changed my career. And then the interesting story

988
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: is that Lerisis Lounge left us hanging. We didn't know

989
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: if we were picked up or not. It had been ages.

990
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: We had no idea what was happening. And I auditioned

991
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: for girlfriends and we had a window. They wanted me

992
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 3: for Joan, and we had a window of like three

993
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 3: days that if we couldn't get the sign off and

994
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: the approval by the head of MTV, they would have

995
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: to move to their second choice for Joe and Clayton

996
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: and tell me, do you know? And the head that

997
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 3: head of MTV was on vacation in Italy and we

998
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: couldn't get a hold of him. And I remember just

999
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: laying on my bed like frozen for hours, like for

1000
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: twelve hours, just waiting to hear if I was going

1001
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 3: to get this role that was going to change my

1002
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: life and it worked out in my favor, but I

1003
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 3: didn't know apparently.

1004
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: So Wow, having entered what you did at MTV, at

1005
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: any point, were you interested in sort of sort of

1006
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: honing your skill at say like uh, Second City in

1007
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: Chicago or upright Citizens Brigade or any of those like.

1008
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: Improv You know what's so funny? As you were talking,

1009
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say, did you ever

1010
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: cross your mind on your skills as a rapper?

1011
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 5: Well too career now, that.

1012
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: Did not cross my mind. I was so bad at

1013
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: that that I was in that sketch with most deaf

1014
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: and and master Fool, and they had to I mean,

1015
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: because you know sometimes I get the one three really

1016
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: fast and they were like no, and so they they

1017
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: had to coach me on when to come in. No,

1018
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 3: I didn't.

1019
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: I had.

1020
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: Bennetts. What is it called out here the improv u.

1021
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: Not the comedy store.

1022
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: So I was in an improv troop in college at

1023
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: Brown and strangely enough with Marty Blafsky, who was also

1024
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: on Lyrisis Lounge. And I loved improv. And then I

1025
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: went to Groundlings and they wouldn't move me from the

1026
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, one level to level two because they said

1027
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: I was too sticky and I wasn't funny enough. So

1028
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 3: I told Groundlings, I said, you know what, Groundlings.

1029
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 5: They kind of THEI and me. They like the uji

1030
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 5: of the mprov.

1031
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: Well either way, I was like, I was told to

1032
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: go where the love is, and I do not feel

1033
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 3: the love here how facts And then I booked Larry's Lounge,

1034
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 3: So no, I didn't think of that at all, mostly

1035
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 3: because what I thought I was gonna I thought I

1036
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 3: was going to stick in sketch comedy after Lyricsi's Lounge.

1037
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: But because of Girlfriends, which I thought was gonna happen

1038
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: later in my life. I was living out the Lucy

1039
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: fantasy for me. So Larius's Lounge was my Carol Burnette

1040
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: fantasy and dream, and then Girlfriends was my my Lucy foray.

1041
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 6: So what do you think My wife, she loves she

1042
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 6: loves you. She watches Girlfriends on Netflix, like all the time.

1043
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 6: She was curious to know, do y'all leave what stories

1044
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 6: did y'all leave on the table for girlfriends?

1045
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: And like when that ended, what was that like for you?

1046
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 3: It was horrible, Yeah, devastating. It was really hard when

1047
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 3: Jill left and that also changed storylines because that uh

1048
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: just it was just such a hard adjustment. And then

1049
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 3: when the show ended, you know, the last episode we shot,

1050
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 3: I directed, and it was during the strike, so we

1051
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: didn't even we didn't even have our family together. The

1052
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 3: producers weren't there, Marra wasn't there, So it was it

1053
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: was such a strange odd end the courthouse.

1054
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 5: It was like a location shot too, right, That's what

1055
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 5: feels like.

1056
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: It was the end. That was not the end. That

1057
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: was the end of the season with Tony.

1058
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 5: Oh, that's right and right, and then it came back

1059
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 5: with and we had had two more after that. So

1060
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 5: what did it feel like.

1061
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 4: When you you got the call from ABC the job

1062
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 4: we're going to be bringing the girls to Blackish?

1063
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 3: Oh? Oh no, that's not how that went.

1064
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 5: Okay, What did it feel like.

1065
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: When you told that?

1066
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 3: We said we have so Courtney came to me and said,

1067
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 3: we have an idea. What do you think? And I said,

1068
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 3: this is the best idea ever. But before I said,

1069
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: tell tell me when it's an actual green light that

1070
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: you guys feel like it can actually happen, and then

1071
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: let me call the girls first and find out if

1072
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: they're interested and comfortable. I don't want to make this

1073
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: a thing until I know if they want to do this.

1074
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: So I called each of them individually, even though we're

1075
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: on a group thread, but I wanted to call each

1076
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 3: of them individually so that no one felt pressured by

1077
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: somebody else or you know, so that everybody just felt

1078
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: comfortable to answer. And I said, you don't have to

1079
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 3: answer me now, like it was an immediate yes for everybody,

1080
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 3: but we I mean, by the way, everybody at Blackish

1081
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: was like, what is going on?

1082
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 5: How much as love was it?

1083
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: I just got launched into another world like and you know,

1084
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: some people on our crew have no idea what Girlfriends was.

1085
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: They were like, I don't understand what's happening, Like we've

1086
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: never seen Tracy like this. I don't know what's going on.

1087
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: But we would not We did not stop talking. It

1088
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 3: was as if we were right back on girl. It

1089
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: was so delicious. It was so good.

1090
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 4: We had so much and the storyline that you made

1091
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 4: around that y'all created around it was really dope. It

1092
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 4: was really consistently yes, yeah.

1093
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: So good.

1094
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 6: My niece wants to know when they because I have

1095
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 6: Alice Ross, we get it.

1096
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: You already know.

1097
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 6: When they saw her name was on QLs calendar, they

1098
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 6: was just like, my text was blowing up.

1099
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Everybody want to so I'm trying to answer my family's

1100
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: questions sofully. So my niece wants to know. How do

1101
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: you navigate the LA dating scene?

1102
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 5: Oh girl? Please thank you Ni Sepool, because I live

1103
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 5: in l A.

1104
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 3: To what you mean, I don't, I don't, I don't

1105
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 3: know or do you even care? I mean, well, the

1106
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: beauty of it is it's not an l A dating scene.

1107
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: The world is so small now that you know there

1108
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 3: was no dating scene during the pandemic, yeah.

1109
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1110
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 5: I don't know, if you heard.

1111
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 4: I think NIE's asking from the perspective of it's hard

1112
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 4: for a black woman to day in LA But maybe

1113
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 4: I'm just stripping.

1114
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1115
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: I think it's I think dating is hard no matter

1116
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: who you are, where you are, and if you're a

1117
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: man or a woman. I think there's good men out there.

1118
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 5: Oh, I wasn't. Oh, that wasn't the argument. It was

1119
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 5: just that they are they around unavailable, That's.

1120
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know if they are. I don't I

1121
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: don't know that they are. I don't know. I don't

1122
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 3: have major, major sort of theories and beliefs and and

1123
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have any answers. What I know

1124
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: is that someone's gonna either make my life better or

1125
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep rolling with this wonderful life that I've

1126
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: built for myself, you know.

1127
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: And I found my happiness at fifty, So I mean,

1128
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, speaking of.

1129
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: Which I Meir, you said at fifty you found your life.

1130
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: How old are you now?

1131
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: Fifty fifty fifty?

1132
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: I was with the way you said it. I was like,

1133
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: what are you sixty? Like what.

1134
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: You just found last week? I'm just saying that a

1135
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: few other things. Flowers flowers around, no around like forty seven,

1136
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: forty eight. I was just like, maybe I'm just going

1137
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: to be a serial bachelor for life, and you know whatever.

1138
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: And then, you know, as with all of us with

1139
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: the pandemic, like this, pivot happens and you get a

1140
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: new either heed to the calling or you uh, succumb

1141
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: to the inside of your voice. And no, I mean

1142
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: it's it's possible to have a turnaround for you.

1143
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 5: Most men get their sense at fifty.

1144
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: So first of all because we done.

1145
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: Made out money.

1146
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: But well some of it's that.

1147
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: That's no, it's also about just being open.

1148
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 3: But wait, the thing that's so interesting, I mean you

1149
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: just said the sound inside my voice is that you said,

1150
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 3: that's the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.

1151
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: Well, just inside my heads. You know, oftentimes we hear

1152
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: the the I mean, the voice inside of our head

1153
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: says the most mean shit to us all the time.

1154
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: We say stuff. We say shit to ourselves. Yeah, we

1155
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: say ship to ourselves that you know, we wouldn't allow

1156
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: anyone to say to us. And oftentimes we listen to

1157
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: that voice more than anything. So introspective of mer my favorite.

1158
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 5: But understand a year and a half, maybe.

1159
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: This is Crystal, I'm not.

1160
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 5: Friend, it's a beautiful woman named woman.

1161
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 3: But this is a look at him rolling his eyes. Well,

1162
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 3: something's happened there.

1163
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: So just this episode is not about me. We only

1164
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: got fifteen minutes whether I can't even get the.

1165
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: Blackish Okay, So that's okay, Okay. So let me just

1166
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: say that I I think there's really good men out there,

1167
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: and I don't know how to navigate any dating scene.

1168
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: Dating is just awkward and weird. And it's even more

1169
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 3: awkward when you like being in your house. Yes, and

1170
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, you get to a certain age where you're like,

1171
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 3: I don't't do that, Like you know what I'm saying.

1172
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to go there. You know what I mean.

1173
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 3: I'm happier right here on my couch. So huh.

1174
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: What one thing?

1175
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 6: One thing I will say about about you, Tracy, Like

1176
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 6: I've always admired you, seen for your celebrity and the

1177
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 6: status of all things you've done. You are like one

1178
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 6: of the most regular celebrities like and I mean yeah,

1179
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 6: and the like and the sweetest way possible you were

1180
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 6: just you know, you just always just exude just kind

1181
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 6: of just a realness about you.

1182
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: And I was just curious to know how do you

1183
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: maintain that in Hollywood? How do you keep your identity?

1184
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: She stays off the couch.

1185
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: I think, I think it's that my identity is not

1186
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 3: wrapped up in what I do. It's it's who I

1187
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: am and how I show up for my friends and

1188
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 3: how they show up for me, and the kind of

1189
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 3: daughter and sister I am. Like that's where that's what

1190
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: has meaning to me, how I am of service in

1191
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: the world, particularly to those I love and even more

1192
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 3: importantly to those I don't know. And so I that's

1193
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: what right sizes is my life. And I really like

1194
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 3: being a people among people. It's my humanity is my

1195
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 3: favorite part. It's also the most uncomfortable part of me,

1196
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like sometimes I'm like, oh ah,

1197
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 3: can I stop being such a human being? You know

1198
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like what better? And not do better? What?

1199
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 3: You know, Like I wake up every day, try to

1200
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: do my best. Why did this day suck so bad?

1201
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, Like how did that happen?

1202
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 3: Like I didn't try to go left, but somehow I

1203
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: am left?

1204
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 5: So so a human being?

1205
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also think I'm not. I'm not really invested

1206
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: in I don't know. I mean, look, I love sparkly things.

1207
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 3: I love pretty clothes, I love shoes, I love great restaurants.

1208
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: But I'm also not My compass is not money. My

1209
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 3: compass is not fame. It's having an opportunity to do

1210
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 3: the things that I love and to connect with people

1211
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 3: and to make people laugh and to make people feel

1212
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 3: comfortable in their own skin. You know, I know what

1213
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 3: it feels like for me when I'm around people that

1214
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 3: I leave and I'm like, oh, I just feel so

1215
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: much like myself around them, Not like I want to

1216
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: be them, but like, I just feel so safe and

1217
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 3: like myself around them. And I hope that I can

1218
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 3: bring that to the world and to other people, and

1219
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 3: so maybe that keeps it right side.

1220
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1221
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1222
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: Are there okay? Now that you have the platform and

1223
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: the position that you do have, what's on your bucket

1224
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: list as far as things that you really want to do,

1225
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: cross off and sort of manifest and bring out there

1226
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: that maybe ten years ago you weren't able to develop.

1227
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: I think a lot of those things are in process

1228
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 3: right now, and I'm not one of those people like,

1229
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 3: you're not going to see me post about the idea

1230
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 3: of doing something, You're going to still post when it's

1231
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: is having it. So I pattern was a just it

1232
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 3: was a ten year dream. It took me ten years

1233
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 3: to launch that company. And I love being a CEO.

1234
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 3: I love being a fan under of a company company.

1235
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: I love using my mind in that way. The access

1236
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: that it has given me to be able to sit

1237
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: in boardrooms and talk to people who don't usually get

1238
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 3: somebody who's not afraid to say, yeah, that doesn't work, like,

1239
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 3: actually that's not effective. Actually that's actually detrimental to the

1240
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: people you say you're helping. Oh, I'm sorry, it's not

1241
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: called d and it's diversity, equity and inclusion. I'm sorry, gatekeeper, sir.

1242
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 3: If you don't make changes, there's never going to be

1243
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 3: fundamental change. You know. I didn't know that so much

1244
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: of what so many things that I was experiencing that

1245
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 3: caused frustration and disappointment had to do with the systemic

1246
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 3: problems that were happening in the world. I took them personally,

1247
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 3: you know, And so when you realize it, then you're like, oh,

1248
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 3: what can I do to help make this change? Pattern

1249
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: has given me access not only to a particular and

1250
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 3: different kind of platform, but also a courage inside me

1251
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 3: to not be a person that gets plugged in places,

1252
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 3: but actually can create more real estate, not just for me,

1253
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 3: but for others, to help other people find how to

1254
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 3: have their own equity in what they make. So I

1255
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: have a production deal with ABC Signature, which is across

1256
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 3: all their platforms, HULUFX, all of their platforms. I have

1257
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: five different projects and development. There's expansion that I want

1258
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 3: to happen that is in process with Pattern. So those

1259
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 3: things and those parts of my dreams, Like I want

1260
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 3: to be a producer. I love being a producer, and

1261
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: that is happening. I really would like to do more movies.

1262
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: I would like to get I want to do and

1263
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: I want to kick some ass in a movie. I

1264
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: really would like to like like tell you like you

1265
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 3: know those when they spin around and then they chop

1266
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 3: under the and the person falls and then they go

1267
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 3: oh like, I would really like to do that in

1268
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 3: a movie in some very strong and powerful way. I

1269
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 3: would like to be to do a love story. I

1270
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 3: would like to be a love interest in a movie

1271
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 3: as a sexy, grown ass woman and not have to

1272
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 3: be like the twenty two year old with the fifty

1273
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 3: year old man, Like maybe I'm the fifty year old

1274
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 3: with the twenty two year old man. How you doing? Me?

1275
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 5: And the Rustio fans are sitting here like how we

1276
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 5: ain't seen? This can not happen, you know what I mean?

1277
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 3: I want to see a whole bunch of black women

1278
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: on screen being as incredible as we are and not

1279
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 3: have to constantly be talking about the fact that we're black,

1280
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 3: but just be in our experience. I want to see

1281
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 3: those stories. I want to. I want to be a

1282
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 3: part of making those happen, and I want to be

1283
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: involved in them. I want to. So there's lots of

1284
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: those things.

1285
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: You gotta drop the word wanna and just manifest.

1286
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:57,919
Speaker 5: I'm gonna. I'm gone.

1287
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: That's my last words of wisdom. With manifest such good.

1288
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 3: Words of wisdom, and you know I have to say

1289
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 3: I manifest quickly. So it just got to be specific

1290
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 3: about that language.

1291
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you got three minutes left, three minutes left,

1292
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: three minutes. Yeah, we got three minutes left, and I'm skipping, skipping,

1293
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm skipping black is just y'all, watch back. I actually

1294
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: want to go to Mix This, Yes, how much of

1295
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: your life and shout out to us Angela, our friend,

1296
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: Angela Nissel family. Yes, yes, and how much of your life?

1297
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: I know that Mixed This is quote a show about

1298
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: your character's life, but how much input do you have

1299
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: in it? As far as the direction that I have a.

1300
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 3: Lot of input, But it is not my life. It's

1301
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 3: Bo Johnson's life, you know. But but the mixed experience,

1302
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 3: I love that we're able to tell that story and

1303
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 3: such a and to tell it through the eighties, which

1304
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 3: is so strange to think about that, the divisiveness that

1305
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 3: the eighties held and how similar it is to what

1306
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: we're living in now. A couple of different overlays, but

1307
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: we can what time, come on? What is seventeen twenty?

1308
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 3: We've got three minutes? What if we have eight minutes?

1309
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: Okay? Y, we got eight minutes?

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01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 5: Okay.

1311
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 4: So that being said, because we didn't ask her the

1312
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 4: question when we had Mariah here, do you did you

1313
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 4: have anything to do with getting Mariah to sing that

1314
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 4: that thing that didn't seem easy?

1315
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 5: The same song? Mister?

1316
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: No, that was Kenya? Okay, okay, okay, that was Kenya

1317
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 3: And that was so she was so excited to do that.

1318
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: She was so excited, perfect excited enough that big ass

1319
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: credit at the beginning. I still tea her days. She's like,

1320
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if that happens. I'm like, I know

1321
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: your people.

1322
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 3: She is hilarious. She also is a really big text

1323
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 3: for that one.

1324
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: I've not stopped talking to Mariah since our interview that night.

1325
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. But by the way, Maria, Mariah is also really

1326
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 3: regular in some ways.

1327
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, as much as she can be.

1328
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean, no shout out me, I'm

1329
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:00,719
Speaker 1: only playing.

1330
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: Yes, she's one. Look. Anyway, that was a really wonderful

1331
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 3: experience and I got to know Mariah in a way

1332
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: that I did not before. And and it's not that

1333
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 3: I had any negative idea of Mariah, but I didn't

1334
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 3: know Mariah, do you know what I mean? And she's

1335
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 3: so lovely and her.

1336
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 5: Mix experience is ill too. After reading a book and

1337
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 5: what I.

1338
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 3: Have not read her book.

1339
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: Trace, get the audiobook.

1340
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 3: I will get the audio book and literally it's on

1341
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: my list.

1342
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: It's so stupid that you're a long driver or whatever,

1343
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: like her storytelling.

1344
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 3: Is is And my friend Mikela wrote that with her, Yeah,

1345
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: how was it a people because people got the power.

1346
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah she is. She is one of my faves. So

1347
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: but yeah, mixed ish my first producing experience and really

1348
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 3: love being in that position. To be able to craft

1349
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 3: a story before a script is written, you know, to

1350
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 3: actually uh let that, to be a part of that,

1351
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 3: to be a part of casting. All of that I

1352
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 3: find really exciting and sort of the execution of something,

1353
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 3: you know, mix this was a little mixed. What's mixed?

1354
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 3: This was a little different because it was you know,

1355
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: it was the the full expression of something that had

1356
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: already existed and sort of been given life. But the

1357
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 3: other projects that I'm developing, you know, from optioning a

1358
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: book and that, like, it's just so exciting. That process

1359
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 3: is so exciting.

1360
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: Uh Okay, now do you want to go back to Black? Yeah,

1361
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: there's so many things I want to ask about the show.

1362
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: But probably for me as such a fan of that show,

1363
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: whose idea was it for you guys to have sort

1364
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: of the dark period of your marriage? Where I didn't

1365
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: see that coming? And again, like when I when I

1366
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: watched these shows, I kind of do a binge style,

1367
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like I even had a warning from ABC,

1368
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: like a special ABC you know, narrative Bexter Bernie episode

1369
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: of Blacket.

1370
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 3: They used to do that, a very special, very.

1371
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: Special different strokes one what Dudley got. So yeah, I didn't.

1372
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming. And I was like, wow,

1373
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 1: this is this is really bold because I mean, you know,

1374
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: without okay, I'm trying to say this is as diplomatic

1375
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: as I can. The Huxtables were always my first family.

1376
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: An now it's like the Johnson's are about to overshadow

1377
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: that and really be you know, because you guys cover

1378
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: so many subjects that were never ever on The Cosby Show.

1379
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 5: But if not for the cos there wouldn't be the Johnson's.

1380
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not disparat but yeah, I didn't see that coming.

1381
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: Like whose idea was it to really just bring it

1382
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: down to that level?

1383
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 3: Kenny embarrass and Anthony and I were not happy.

1384
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: Wow was happy?

1385
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 3: Well, it took a minute. I was like, why are

1386
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 3: we doing this? What is this? Why are we doing this?

1387
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: Like I was like, I don't understand this. It feels

1388
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 3: like the end of the show. It was so confusing.

1389
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 3: It was, you know, Kenya, there was a bold risk

1390
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 3: on his part, and this is why Kenya is Keny.

1391
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like he really, I don't

1392
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 3: know where it came from. You can ask him all

1393
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 3: those questions. But once we dove in and you know,

1394
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: I directed the first of those two episodes.

1395
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that.

1396
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 3: Was hard because I was playing a version of bo

1397
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 3: that I had never played before. Like usually the show

1398
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 3: is anchored in dre and bow liking and loving each

1399
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: other like and it's also anchored in me and Anthony,

1400
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 3: like we have a respect and a safety with each other.

1401
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 3: That is the core of the show. Like that's what

1402
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 3: we do, you know, he and I. There are places

1403
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: that I can fly to because of Anthony and that

1404
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: he can fly to because of me that I've never

1405
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 3: experienced in my creative career. It's so much fun. It

1406
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 3: is so much fun dancing and playing ping pong with Anthony.

1407
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: I can't even tell you. And so that was hard.

1408
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 3: I didn't like fighting with him. I didn't like it.

1409
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 6: Even the film stock that you guys used, like that

1410
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 6: kind of film stock where I was like in and

1411
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 6: out of that, yeah, someone's about to die here or.

1412
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

1413
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: And then my dad did die. It was a mess.

1414
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 3: And that was and by the way, and then we

1415
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 3: went and shot a funny scene. After that, I was like,

1416
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 3: are you all crazy? I don't know. I'm so proud

1417
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 3: of what we do on the show. I think back

1418
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 3: to when Blackish launched and how freaked out everybody was

1419
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 3: about the name, And if you sink back to the

1420
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 3: landscape of.

1421
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: One person, and we know that person was, it was.

1422
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: A lot of you started, but a lot a lot

1423
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 3: of people were upset about it, but they didn't know

1424
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 3: what the show was yet. And I understood that. And

1425
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 3: the truth is, it's a It's a perfect name for

1426
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 3: what our show is and what we deconstruct and pull

1427
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: apart and unpack. And but if you think of what

1428
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 3: the landscape of television was at that moment and what

1429
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 3: we opened up in terms of giving metrics to the

1430
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 3: ability for black stories about a black family that doesn't

1431
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 3: happen to be black, but is black being successful and

1432
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 3: identifiable for everybody, you know, we we changed the landscape

1433
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 3: of television.

1434
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 4: I did an episode on June teenth that was not

1435
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 4: in the mainstream of conversation that.

1436
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 3: An amount of people that have said to me, I

1437
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 3: didn't know what white people that have said I didn't

1438
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 3: know what Juneteenth was before Blackish aired that episode is

1439
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 3: a lot a lot of people who didn't know. And

1440
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 3: I always say to people like you, come by that honestly,

1441
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 3: like a lot of people didn't know because nobody.

1442
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 4: Was telling anybody, well black a good little small education

1443
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 4: to some layers of Black people.

1444
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 5: And if that's funny, if you watch and you don't

1445
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 5: know us, you get to know a little bit.

1446
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 3: A little bit, A little piece doesn't do everything. It's

1447
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 3: not two minutes, and you get to see it through

1448
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 3: the lens of this family. But and I mean, you know,

1449
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 3: it's just it's been a treat, a real treat. We

1450
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 3: don't talk enough about the frame that needs to be

1451
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 3: present to hold the narrative of our cultural value, you know.

1452
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 3: And I don't mean a Blackish I mean of the

1453
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 3: stories Black stories, you know, and and how so many

1454
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 3: people reap the cultural benefit, but we don't get the

1455
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 3: credit or for the work done and the story is told,

1456
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 3: and so I don't know, I'm so grateful this show

1457
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 3: has been such a blessing and so much fun. I mean,

1458
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 3: it's been seven years, knock on wood, but you know,

1459
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: Anthony and I haven't gotten into nothing.

1460
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 5: And y'all created it.

1461
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: They didn't bring you guys the cake yet saying goodbye

1462
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: and another.

1463
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 3: But I mean, like Anthony and I had like to

1464
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 3: work that closely with someone as much as I mean

1465
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 3: we work fourteen hour days like it's just the longest ever,

1466
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 3: you know, and the way we work together, it's just

1467
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 3: been such a like such a joy.

1468
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 5: It's a joy. It's a joy to watch.

1469
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 4: It is everybody and y'all created the youngest executive producer.

1470
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 3: Ever, she told She told us all back then when

1471
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 3: we asked. There was a panel we did first season

1472
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 3: and said what do you want to be to get older?

1473
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:47,480
Speaker 3: And she said a legend.

1474
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 4: Episodes is a pilot where guys and we were all like, well, okay, then.

1475
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 6: For president I'll so we we our listeners will kill

1476
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 6: as we forget this. The Kanye video you have to tell.

1477
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: Got it?

1478
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 3: Which one touched this guy?

1479
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: Which? What about stuff?

1480
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 7: As?

1481
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that. That was a guy.

1482
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 3: I've done. I've done two Kanye videos. I was in

1483
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 3: Kanye in workout plan. That was crazy. We flew on

1484
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 3: helicopters into the Grand Canyon and we shot in the

1485
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 3: Grand Canyon, me Nia Long and Pam Anderson. I was like,

1486
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 3: what's going on right now? And I remember because he

1487
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 3: was my neighbor. And he was like, I have an idea,

1488
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 3: and I'm like okay. And he told me that the

1489
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 3: uh you know the story of the the video. And

1490
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't understand. Why am I not

1491
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 3: the other character? He said, because there knee along.

1492
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 4: Right right right.

1493
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it now, I got it.

1494
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 5: I was like, I just I'm funny.

1495
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm my own best advocate. So like, I'm

1496
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 3: just wondering why, Like I wasn't like, but whatever. And

1497
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 3: then we had so much fun doing that. Though that

1498
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 3: was insane. It was freezing. I would have chose you no,

1499
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 3: but no, but I I think I uh that you

1500
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 3: know what about the hair? And that's that was me.

1501
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 3: That was just me improving like a crazy person. What

1502
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: are you gonna say? What are you gonna say? I said,

1503
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 3: don't worry about it, Kanye, don't worry about it. Just

1504
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 3: turn the cameras on and tell me say the A word,

1505
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 3: say action, and it's gonna come.

1506
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: Were you always were you? Always? Were you always the

1507
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: family comedian?

1508
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 3: Yes? Oh oh my god, my mom used to cheat.

1509
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: My mom so our dining room table there were glass

1510
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 3: like glass doors outside, and my mom like, I would

1511
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 3: disrupt so much. I would have like the wiggles, that's

1512
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 3: my grandma called it, the twelve year old giggles wiggles,

1513
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 3: and I just had so much energy and so and

1514
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 3: I would really like to poke at my sister Randa

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Speaker 3: to see if I could get her to laugh, but

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01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 3: usually it made her really angry. And so my mom

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01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 3: would excuse me from the table, why don't you go

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01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 3: outside and get the wiggles out? So I would stand

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01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 3: outside my family is eating dinner. I would stand outside

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01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 3: like I'd be like, and I would come back and

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01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 3: sit down and she would say, have you gotten them

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01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 3: all out? And I'd be like, I don't think. So

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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,839
Speaker 3: my mom was very supportive of my large, large energy.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you mom. We thank you. No, we're

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01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 5: wrapping up.

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01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna say this because my sister Rhonda, my

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01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 3: mom was such a good mom, as I said, and

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01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 3: my sister ron and my siblings are such great parents.

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01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 3: And when her son Raif is doing what I do,

1530
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 3: because she gave birth to a little me, when he's

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01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 3: gonna I'm like, what is going on back there? I

1532
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 3: can't even hear you? She says, he's being creative.

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01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, saw him in an award show. He's hilarious.

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01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: I love him.

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01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 5: Yes, and he looked at Michael on the website.

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01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, my son is being creative. Yes.

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01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: Yes, wait, this one quick question and this is totally

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01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: just random. Speaking of you, you and your relationship with

1539
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: your mom. Was it you that influenced her to have

1540
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 1: Ello Cool Jay on her special back in eighty seven?

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01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 3: Nor I know my mom is way cooler than I

1542
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 3: could have made her.

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01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: Be, Okay, because I always wanted to know, like we

1544
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: were like, what the hell is Llo doing? This is

1545
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: like when Bigger and depfor First came out.

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01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 5: I don't believe you. We would have to see for ourselves.

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01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: Trust me, it's weird. No, like this is when her

1548
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: Red Hot Rhythm and Blues album came out.

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01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 3: Well you know everything though.

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01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Tracey, I really thank you for giving

1551
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: making this.

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01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 3: Know.

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01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: I was really about to say thank you very.

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01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 3: Much, Ron and Tracy said you're welcome. I adore you,

1555
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 3: and I'm so glad I finally got on here.

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01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: To our viewers out there, yes, viewers, to our listeners

1557
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: out there, yes, I try to turn this into a

1558
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: five hour Jimmy Jam episode. It didn't happen, So don't

1559
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: get down at me because Tracey Ellis Ralse is booked

1560
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 1: and busy.

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01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 5: Can you tell your daddy that we still want to

1562
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 5: talk to him? No, I'm series, but he talked to us.

1563
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 5: You think he would talk to us.

1564
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 3: I think he'll talk talk to anybody. He talks to you.

1565
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: If you're in the line of Starbucks, you're gonna get

1566
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: the whole ear.

1567
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: Yes, I cannot this episode.

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01:22:58,680 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 3: Thank you, no joke.

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Tracy, run to your appointment. Thank you

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01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: very much. And this is Quest Love Supreme. Y'all, We

1571
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: will see you next week next time. Bye, yo, what's up?

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01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 1: This is fante.

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,479
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1574
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,680
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1575
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 6: should be next to sit down with us.

1576
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,400
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01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:38,360
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