1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Let's get to our guest for the half hour. Cresh 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Tantia is with a senior investment strategistic Credit Suiss on 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: the line from Singapore, Soresh, Thanks for being with us. 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: I was looking at your note and you say the 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: firm it does remain tactically overweight global equities. I'm looking 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: at the BLOOMBERGAM Live survey, the latest one that we've had. 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: Sixty of our respondents say there is a low or 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: zero probability that the FED is going to be able 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: to engineer a soft landing, that we're essentially looking at recession, 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: very high odds of that happening. How can you be 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: overweight global stocks right now? Isn't there more downside ahead? 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Good morning? UM? I think definitely market is going to 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: remain bolatile because there is still a lot of uncinuitive 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: when incomes to inflation risk of position. But the reason 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: why we are still over it on equities and not 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: advising investors to cut exposure is because I think we're 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: going to see peak inflation in this quarter and probably 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: uh the big hawkishness from FED in the QUE four. 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: So as BONDI is stabilized, we are going to see 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: a recovery in the equity market. We've already seen that 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: in the last one month or so, as bondies have 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: come down, it has provided some sort of support to 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: the equity market despite the fact that earnings have been 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: not that great. So we don't deny the fact that 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: the growth is going to slow down going forward. UM 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: next year, we are looking at US economy growing at 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: one percent, but still I think given the fall in bondings, 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: it's quite likely that equities will be supported. When we 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: look at though, what we're expecting from the FED this week, 30 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: and we know that's going to be an aggressive hike, 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: how much are they looking at what we're hearing from 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: corporate sum and we just had Walmart saying that thriftiest 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: shoppers are really hurting their outlook. So so this meeting 34 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: we are expecting FED too high. Quolsitied by sevent pers 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: this point, and by the end of the year, the 36 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: FED rates could be between three point five percent or 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: three point seven So definitely higher rates will have impact 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: on the corporate earnings UM. In fact, I think the 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: analysts estimates are still very high. The market is looking 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: at two hundred forty eight dollars per share of earnings 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: for this year, which seems a bit high, so we 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: are definitely going to see more earnest down rate for 43 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: use the gree market. Nevertheless, I think peak hawkishness from 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: FIT is going to provide support to the prices, So 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: peak inflation, peak fed hawkishness, and by extension, I'm going 46 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: to assume that you're also expecting peak dollar um I 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: think next couple of months dollar could still could remain 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: strong until we get further rate hikes. But come September, 49 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: I think they'll be better call it clarity from FIT 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: and eventually they would expect dollar to weaken. So we 51 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: are looking at currencies like sing dollar or in the 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: of the market space, Canadian dollar Norwigi grona on these 53 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: currencies to appreciate against US dollar. That's way through into 54 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: our cn market performance. Do you expect that we will 55 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: see a bit more of a switch back to there 56 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: from the likes of their movingto China equities. I think 57 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: China equities are going to out perform going forward. It's 58 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: a bitter down market. Over the last eighteen months, the 59 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: market has lost one third of its value, and China 60 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: is going to be the only country going forward. Their 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: policy will be a physic We know that the company 62 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: is going to spend a lot of money via physical 63 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: policy to revive the economy. So going forward, I would 64 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: expect a recovery to take place and that should support 65 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: the out performance of China compared to Southeast Asia. We 66 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: have been seeing a little bit of a move lower 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: in the oil market ahead of the FED meeting and 68 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: Morgan Stanley cutting their price forecast on this reduced demand 69 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: outlook your view here on the oil market, particularly as 70 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: we have these recession rephas the rash. I think oil 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: prices are going to remain range mount So we are 72 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: looking at print moving to hundred fifteen in the next 73 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: few months, which would be roughly ten percent upside from here. 74 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: But we are not looking at substantial upsite because the 75 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: demand is going to slow down going forward as global 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: growth comes down. And not to forget that right now, 77 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: there is a very strong demand because of the summer 78 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: driving season, so as summer is over, that demand will 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: come down. On the supply side. Also, OPEC has been 80 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: increasing supplies and we know that China and India have 81 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: been buying Russian oil. So I think going forward, the 82 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: supply demand balance in the oil market is going to 83 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: improve and that should cap the upside. So that's why 84 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: we're looking at very range bound rate only ten percent 85 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: upside two fifteen dollars in the next few months. So 86 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned consumption not only from China but India as well. 87 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: Are are you looking at posit civity and both of 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: those economies as we move forward. Yes, so we can 89 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: clearly see that in China things are going to improve 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: as the government spends money on infrastructure and all other 91 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: sort of sectors to revive the economy, so that should 92 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: improve the demand for oil. Um. For in India as well, 93 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: the domestic economy has been doing extremely well. Um it's 94 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: still coming out of pandemic, so fuel consumption, the industry, 95 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: medical consumption, economic activity, all of them have been seeing 96 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: very strong growth. So I think demand from India and 97 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: China will remain strong going forward and they can clearly 98 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: absorb supplies coming out of Russia. We've been seeing a 99 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: move higher in the pre market in Ali Baba shares. 100 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: Is it seeks this primary Hong Kong listing really trying 101 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: to get China investors too. Are you kind of looking 102 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: at that crackdown being mostly over, particularly after we saw 103 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 1: deity as well. How did that fine? Absolutely? I think 104 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: large part of the crackdown has already happened. Going forward, 105 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: we might see some fine tuning of the regulations by authorities, 106 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: but we are not expecting new regulations on the Chinese 107 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: tech sector. And that's why one way to play the 108 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: China recovery going forward would be to take exposure to 109 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: these beaten down technology names because most of these stocks 110 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: are down in the last two years because of the 111 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: economic slowdown and because of the exulty crackdown. So going forward, 112 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: as the economy covers correctown seems to be over, then 113 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: we are going to see a relating of all these stocks. 114 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm curious to get your take on how you evaluate 115 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: geopolitical risk right now, whether it's war in Ukraine or 116 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: US China tensions. Where Ed was talking about the situation 117 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: as it relates to the Nancy Pelosi visit potential visit 118 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: to Taiwan, is geopolitical risk among your chief concerns. I 119 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: think the key cuncern is still about the Ukraine Russia 120 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: conflict because that seems to have impact on communities and 121 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: the economic outlook. China Taiwan risk is more of a 122 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: big deal risk. UM sometimes it trade up. As you know, 123 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: we see um international leaders visit Taiwan, then we see 124 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: some player up or tensions. But I don't think that 125 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: is a key concern to take exposure to China or 126 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: Asian markets at the moment. I think the key concern 127 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: is still about Russia Ukraine because um, if the tensions 128 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: played up, then we could see higher community prices and 129 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: economists could slow down and just very quickly as the rest. 130 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: Just give us your view on why you have a 131 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: preference at the moment for AM high credit bonds and 132 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: the reason being that eats are very high. If you 133 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: look at the emerging market hard currency bonds, they are 134 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: yielding eight point four percent in the US dollar. This 135 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: is the highest yield in the last ten year. Although 136 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of risk given the recent usual 137 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: about Chinese who mowners spending their mortgage payments. But WITHINK, 138 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of that news is only there in the 139 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: price and that's why we prefer e much market hard 140 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: currency bonds within the fixing the market. All right, thank 141 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: you so much for Restantia senior investment strategist. Act Credit 142 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: Sweez on the line for us from Singapore