Speaker 1: My guest today is actress, comedian, and stage mom to
Speaker 1: a dog Winston, Christina Kirkman. She's best known for her
Speaker 1: role in the final two seasons of Nickelodeon's All That.
Speaker 1: These days, fans know Christina from her TikTok videos her
Speaker 1: dog Winston. My producers didn't even include that because they
Speaker 1: didn't know about Winston, who's also famous and she has
Speaker 1: over a million followers.
Speaker 2: This is just be influenced. Let's get into it. How
Speaker 2: are you? Where's your doggie? He's literally you're like in
Speaker 2: your body, He's in your body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has to be touching to me. He's a
Speaker 3: bellcrow dog.
Speaker 2: Wait, his name is Winston. Yeah, and he's famous.
Speaker 3: He is significantly more famous than I will ever be.
Speaker 2: So how famous is he?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Does he make?
Speaker 1: Does he Because I had a dog named Cookie that
Speaker 1: one year made fifteen thousand dollars because I think Farmer's
Speaker 1: Dog paid me that year, and I love Farmer's dog
Speaker 1: or paid Cookie. They didn't pay me paid, they didn't
Speaker 1: deal with Cookie's manager. But I look at Biggie and
Speaker 1: Small as they pee, I'm like, you fucking cost me
Speaker 1: what you don't make one goddamn time.
Speaker 2: They're so cute. They're little rascals, but like I don't
Speaker 2: market them. They don't make anything.
Speaker 3: You got to get them ships working.
Speaker 2: They're just a drag on the ticket.
Speaker 3: He fucking carries his weight and then.
Speaker 2: Son, well he doesn't weigh that much.
Speaker 3: Will true? But he like I used to joke and
Speaker 3: be like, all right, dude, you need to like pull
Speaker 3: your own weight. He he rakes in the checks.
Speaker 2: Man, So how much money does wins to make a year?
Speaker 3: He makes six figures?
Speaker 2: Winston makes six figures.
Speaker 3: Amazing, this this wow, this dog saved me.
Speaker 2: Can we see him.
Speaker 3: Let's let's see him. Yeah, yeah, this is it's raining.
Speaker 2: So he thought, right, so he doesn't what's he working Winston?
Speaker 2: What are you working on right now? What is he
Speaker 2: working on?
Speaker 3: You got any projects coming? I mean, we've been so
Speaker 3: lucky that like we work with like a lot of
Speaker 3: the same brands over and over again, which is like
Speaker 3: we've developed really good relationships. We work with, you know,
Speaker 3: like the same dog food brands. We've worked with Amazon
Speaker 3: several times. We just like have built really good relationships
Speaker 3: with these brands and it's been a blast just kind
Speaker 3: of like you know, making commercials for them. I love it.
Speaker 2: That's on. It's all social media.
Speaker 3: Too, social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so did has he helped your career? Like
Speaker 1: did he get you into TikTok?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Christina is a social media influencer. She's very funny, and
Speaker 1: then you like sort of we're a little against yeah TikTok,
Speaker 1: and then you like.
Speaker 2: We're bored.
Speaker 1: And your career it was blown, was about to escalate
Speaker 1: and then blew up, and then you got into it.
Speaker 1: So tell us about like your story and where are
Speaker 1: you in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3: Now? I'm from a small town outside of Boston, which
Speaker 3: is a normal ass kid. I was a gymnast and
Speaker 3: there was a competition on Nickelodeon called are you all that?
Speaker 3: The search for the Funniest Kid in America? And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh I got I gotta enter. And my
Speaker 3: dad both my parents are very funny, but my dad
Speaker 3: is the goofy one. My dad was like, let's talk
Speaker 3: and do it, and he went downstairs and got the
Speaker 3: video camera and we like went on the website and
Speaker 3: there were all these prompts. You basically had to do
Speaker 3: a few sketches and then some impersonations and like original content.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So I just like recorded this in my kitchen, didn't
Speaker 3: think anything of it.
Speaker 2: How old ten.
Speaker 3: Okay competition ended up being over ten thousand kids that
Speaker 3: entered and dent it off, and then I think I
Speaker 3: made like top one hundred. We got I think we
Speaker 3: got a call first and we were like, holy shit,
Speaker 3: top one hundred, and they were doing castings like in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, in New York and all, and like, now,
Speaker 3: being an actor, I'm like, all right, like if there's
Speaker 3: an in person casting and there's self tapes, like the
Speaker 3: in person people have a better shot, like no one's
Speaker 3: watching the fucking sassays, right, So like, and most of
Speaker 3: the kids that were doing the castings were child actors,
Speaker 3: so like they this this shit was like normal for them.
Speaker 3: May top one hundred and then we were like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: this is this, this might happen. And then from Top
Speaker 3: fifty to Top five every Friday night they would air
Speaker 3: I think it was after SpongeBob, they would air like
Speaker 3: the top ten contestants every week.
Speaker 2: So this was fun, Like it was like an exciting
Speaker 2: like in order, Like there.
Speaker 3: Was no social media, right, so if you wanted to
Speaker 3: see who was moving on, like everybody had to get
Speaker 3: together and watch. So we would have these watch parties,
Speaker 3: and I remember I made top fifty, and then once
Speaker 3: I made Top ten, that was the moment that my
Speaker 3: parents were like this this bitchment actually fucking win. And
Speaker 3: I remember Top five. I was the last person that
Speaker 3: they showed and we had this like big viewing party
Speaker 3: and I was the last one before the commercial break
Speaker 3: and they show like your photo, they show like a
Speaker 3: little clip of your audition tape, and then like that
Speaker 3: was it. I was Top five. The next week, they
Speaker 3: flew us all to California. I remember landing at LAX.
Speaker 3: There was like paparazzi, there was the news, like Nickelodeon
Speaker 3: was there. We were going to be shooting at the airport,
Speaker 3: and I'm like always super outgoing. I'm an only child,
Speaker 3: and I remember being like what the fuck is this
Speaker 3: is like mild like we I think they had me
Speaker 3: like sit on a suitcase going around the like baggage plane,
Speaker 3: like it was nuts.
Speaker 2: And then you remember it that good now, like you
Speaker 2: really are Wow.
Speaker 3: That was like I mean, you know, I'm walking off
Speaker 3: the plane at LAX and there's just like cameras and
Speaker 3: interviews and you know, oh my god, congratulations and I
Speaker 3: was just like, holy shit, this is I knew that
Speaker 3: things were gonna change for me. I just didn't expect
Speaker 3: it was going to be this abrupt, you know, like
Speaker 3: it was nuts. It was nuts. And then okay, so
Speaker 3: Top five we had like a bonding week where they
Speaker 3: like took us Nickelodeon studios. We met everybody. At the time,
Speaker 3: my icon was Amanda Bndes. She kind of ended up
Speaker 3: being like a mentor to me.
Speaker 2: I just loved her to you met her, you know her?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah at the time, yeah, I mean I I yeah.
Speaker 3: The speculation was that, you know, they were looking for
Speaker 3: the next Amanda Bndes because Amanda Vines at this point
Speaker 3: was already off all that she had like moved on,
Speaker 3: she was doing film like she was just way past that.
Speaker 3: And she was one of the There were three celebrity judges.
Speaker 3: It was Nick Cannon, Josh Peck, and Amanda Vindes. So
Speaker 3: between them and America I won, uh and my skit.
Speaker 3: So we had our bonding experience and then we all
Speaker 3: got assigned to all that cast members and you were
Speaker 3: going to do a sketch and then we were going
Speaker 3: to have a you know, live audience tape and they
Speaker 3: were going to announce the winner. So I remember rehearsal
Speaker 3: for my sketch, which was with Jamie Lyn Spears, Lisa Foyle's.
Speaker 3: It was with like all of the tarn Killem, Kyle Sullivan,
Speaker 3: all of the like OG's, And I remember I went
Speaker 3: to do my rehearsal and like I had never acted,
Speaker 3: Like I've always been the entertainer of my family, but
Speaker 3: like being on set is just so different, especially as
Speaker 3: a ten year old. And I remember I was doing
Speaker 3: rehearsal and there's lights everywhere and I just froze up
Speaker 3: and I bombed the rehearsal. I mean it was I
Speaker 3: even know as a kid, it was so bad, right,
Speaker 3: And I left the rehearsal and my parents pulled me
Speaker 3: aside and they were like, listen, if you end up
Speaker 3: fucking hating this, we'll take you home. Like we don't
Speaker 3: ever have to talk about this again. However, we know
Speaker 3: how funny you are, and we know that you're going
Speaker 3: to regret it if you don't go out there and
Speaker 3: just like give it everything. Yeah. So I remember being
Speaker 3: like and my dad specifically was like, you know, me
Speaker 3: and my dad used to make up sketch is all
Speaker 3: the time in the living room and like make up
Speaker 3: characters and he was like, listen, just pretend it's you
Speaker 3: and I being goofy in the living room. There's nobody
Speaker 3: else here. And then I went out to do my
Speaker 3: you know, live performance, and I knit like I just
Speaker 3: felt the energy of everybody like I was. I remember
Speaker 3: feeling if I don't get this, I'm fine, like that
Speaker 3: was the best person I.
Speaker 2: Say. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was just such a good feel. And at the time,
Speaker 3: while we were doing rehearsal, I actually I haven't seen
Speaker 3: this footage until like two years ago, but there's a
Speaker 3: clip of my dad asking Amanda, like, what would you
Speaker 3: want to tell Christina right now? And she was like, Christina,
Speaker 3: you're so so funny, Like I love watching you. You're
Speaker 3: so talented, Like just words of encouragement. It was just
Speaker 3: everything was was setting up to be exactly what I
Speaker 3: wanted it to be. I had no regrets there. I
Speaker 3: remember as a kid being like, that's it. Whatever happens happens.
Speaker 3: And then we did a live studio audience and Taran
Speaker 3: Killham as our host, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 3: and the winner of that, are you all that to
Speaker 3: search for the freights King America is and they said
Speaker 3: my name, and we're backstage and just some pa just
Speaker 3: throws me on stage and I walk out and there's
Speaker 3: just like a fuck ton of kids, a man to
Speaker 3: find Nick Cannon. Everybody's like picking me up.
Speaker 2: So you won and I won.
Speaker 3: And at this point that hadn't aired yet, right, we did,
Speaker 3: like our live studio audience, it wasn't supposed to air
Speaker 3: till it the following week we signed an NBA. My mom,
Speaker 3: I was a competitive gymist at the time. My mom
Speaker 3: called my gymnastics school and my school and was like, hell,
Speaker 3: are you so there's a possibility my daughter might have
Speaker 3: to stay out in Los Angeles. We don't know yet,
Speaker 3: And then I was at My mom quit her job
Speaker 3: on the spot, moved out to Los Angeles with me.
Speaker 3: I was a series regular on all that, and then
Speaker 3: like just my whole life changed. Like back then, if
Speaker 3: you were on television, you were famous. Like there was
Speaker 3: no influencers. There was no soci media, no no, no,
Speaker 3: no no.
Speaker 4: It was another It wasn't so crowd and all that
Speaker 4: was the biggest show for my generation because it brought
Speaker 4: together like I mean, it was Saturday Night Live for kids.
Speaker 4: It was like iconic and it was so diverse, like
Speaker 4: it really it really was such a good show for
Speaker 4: a pretty large age group of kids.
Speaker 3: So god, I would get swarmed when I would go out.
Speaker 1: You're very entertaining and it's all really like just your
Speaker 1: comedy and doing voices and singing and performing and not
Speaker 1: taking yourself too seriously. Once in a while you throw
Speaker 1: in some beauty, once in a while, some food, but
Speaker 1: it feels like you're just expressing yourself.
Speaker 2: And is this a side hustle? Is it a hobby?
Speaker 1: Is it a career yet? Like you know, when people
Speaker 1: say what do you do for a living? You say,
Speaker 1: I'm an actress, I'm an influencer.
Speaker 2: I know you write like what what do you what?
Speaker 1: You're You're an example of this world where another generation
Speaker 1: doesn't understand like what you do for a living?
Speaker 2: Eye better how you pay your BILLI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like you said, I was so
Speaker 3: anti doing social media. I think like I was an
Speaker 3: actor first. My story got all ruffled up in between,
Speaker 3: and there were all these signs that like it wasn't
Speaker 3: going to pan out the way that I wanted. And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times, like when there's something
Speaker 3: that we want to do, and we push and push
Speaker 3: and push, and like it's not working. We immediately are like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe this isn't meant for me, rather than being like,
Speaker 3: maybe it is meant for me, but maybe my journey
Speaker 3: to get there is supposed to be over here, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I kept being under your
Speaker 3: way in yeah, Like I kept trying to get in
Speaker 3: one specific way. I was like, this is the way
Speaker 3: I'm going to act. I'm going to be like a
Speaker 3: no name. I'm going to be like mysterious on social media,
Speaker 3: and then one day I'm just going to pop off
Speaker 3: and nobody's going to know that. For the past ten years,
Speaker 3: I've been hustling and auditioning and doing that whole thing,
Speaker 3: and I was doing that. I was fucking doing that
Speaker 3: for so long, and like it just wasn't working, and
Speaker 3: I kept I think I knew deep down. I was like,
Speaker 3: I think I would do really well on social media
Speaker 3: because I'm quirky and goofy and whatever. I think that
Speaker 3: I would do well there, but I don't want to
Speaker 3: do it. I don't want to get into the industry
Speaker 3: that way. I was very close minded about it. And
Speaker 3: then COVID happens how people.
Speaker 1: That's how many actors feel about reality television, right, right,
Speaker 1: you may not get the same types of roles because
Speaker 1: you just think thought of differently, but it's a different road.
Speaker 1: You're saying it wasn't working, Like for how many years
Speaker 1: you just weren't getting roles? How are you supporting yourself
Speaker 1: as an adult?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 4: I was bad.
Speaker 3: I okay when I came back up to Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: I graduated college, I came back to Los Angeles. I
Speaker 3: was super cocky. I've made this very clear to people.
Speaker 3: I thought I was. I was a series regular. I
Speaker 3: was getting offered great roles, while like I just thought
Speaker 3: I was going to come out series regular and everything
Speaker 3: was going to be good, And like I was getting
Speaker 3: into rooms, I was getting meetings, I was getting the
Speaker 3: representation because people knew my name. But then once I'd
Speaker 3: get in the room, they were like, d we haven't
Speaker 3: seen you in fifteen years, Like we can't just put
Speaker 3: you in. We were like you need to start all
Speaker 3: over again. Essentially, And that was like the very humbling moment.
Speaker 3: I remember having a moment of like, Okay, if I'm
Speaker 3: going to do this, I need to accept that like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to pay my bills
Speaker 3: and I'm going to struggle, and I'm not going to
Speaker 3: know where my next meal tickets coming from. And I
Speaker 3: have to fucking love this because I need to start
Speaker 3: all over again and like be very green. And that's
Speaker 3: what I did. I like went to acting classes. I
Speaker 3: did every single casting director workshop in Los Angeles. I
Speaker 3: was signed. I went through a bunch of different reps
Speaker 3: and I did the dough wide thing where I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'll do anything. I'm so such a
Speaker 3: desperate actor, like I'll just whatever you want me to do, right.
Speaker 3: I played that game right, and then I was doing
Speaker 3: so well. I was on a show before the pandemic
Speaker 3: called Ambitions, and that show saved me because it happened
Speaker 3: right at the moment that I was about to quit.
Speaker 3: I was like four years in. I was like, I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't pay my fucking bills. I cannot do this.
Speaker 3: My had family members dying. I was missing funerals. I
Speaker 3: was missing weddings because as an actor, it's always like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, if I leave town, what if I
Speaker 3: missed the job or so I missed it. I was
Speaker 3: missing everything and I got to a point where I
Speaker 3: was like, I cannot do this anymore. A couple of
Speaker 3: days later, I got a call that a job I
Speaker 3: had an auditioned for I booked. It was going to
Speaker 3: be shooting at Atlanta eight months. At the time, I
Speaker 3: was in a toxic relationship. My grandfather was about to die.
Speaker 3: Like I had all this shit, and that show saved me.
Speaker 3: And that show gave me my confidence back because I
Speaker 3: was working for eight months.
Speaker 2: You are an actor.
Speaker 1: You could be on a set and no pH Yes,
Speaker 1: it's funny that you say that the form that it takes,
Speaker 1: because I was in La working at La Scala as
Speaker 1: a hostess, and I did a bunch of different jobs
Speaker 1: and worked for Jerry Bruckheimer and Lauren Michaels and had
Speaker 1: every job, and I was trying to act. But I
Speaker 1: used to say, I was like, I don't I worked
Speaker 1: as a PA and saved by the bell. I used
Speaker 1: to be like, I want to be myself, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to be a host because hosting seems really canned.
Speaker 1: Also like you're staring at words. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I would like to be myself, but it didn't exist
Speaker 1: because reality TV didn't exist. So to your point, I
Speaker 1: found my way into being able to entertain and opine
Speaker 1: and be who I am in a circuitous route.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of you have to make your own scene.
Speaker 3: You have to make your own you can there hasn't
Speaker 3: been like for me. The it just became so saturated too,
Speaker 3: right Like by the time I came back out to
Speaker 3: LA it was just a different industry every like we
Speaker 3: have social media now, and like there's just these streaming services.
Speaker 3: There's just so much. It was such a difficult thing
Speaker 3: to navigate. And then finally when I made the choice
Speaker 3: to go on social media, which happened during the pandemic,
Speaker 3: but I didn't commit yet. It wasn't really until last year.
Speaker 3: I was like, fucking, I'm going to go ball to
Speaker 3: the wall and do this and that.
Speaker 2: Like you say that now, now this is your career.
Speaker 2: You're a social media influencer.
Speaker 3: That's this, yes, But my mindset was like, I want
Speaker 3: to entertain. I love entertaining. I don't want to wait
Speaker 3: for somebody to give me permission to entertain. I don't
Speaker 3: want to wait for it anymore. Because even when I
Speaker 3: am a working actor and I'm waiting, you're only working
Speaker 3: maybe two jobs a year.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't only entertain for two jobs a year. I
Speaker 3: want to know that I can entertain at any given time.
Speaker 3: So my thing was, I'll do social media. I'm going
Speaker 3: to entertain. I would rather do that as my day
Speaker 3: job than work at Starbucks because at least I'm doing
Speaker 3: something that is an alignment with what I want to do.
Speaker 3: I'm building an audience, so once I committed to it.
Speaker 1: But I will say that it's not only waiting around
Speaker 1: to entertain, it's waiting around for someone else to control
Speaker 1: your destiny.
Speaker 2: It's even with me. I literally was offered.
Speaker 1: I'm not exaggerating three TV shows in the last week
Speaker 1: or two like Streamer network. Production companies like I used
Speaker 1: to beg for this stuff every time. People are always shocked.
Speaker 1: And another housewife just propose came to me to ask
Speaker 1: if I do something with them, and a production company
Speaker 1: wanted it every time. A it's snobby. I'm like, they
Speaker 1: can't pay me enough. They can't pay me enough to go.
Speaker 1: I will not be going in in a room right now,
Speaker 1: like a conference room, meet two guys in checkered shirts,
Speaker 1: tell me what's gonna work. It's not gonna work, but
Speaker 1: then tell me that it's gonna get picked up, and
Speaker 1: then in six months we're gonna start shooting, and then
Speaker 1: in twelve months it's gonna air, and then I have
Speaker 1: to do a week of bulky weird non you know
Speaker 1: of traditional pr versus like here we go, just do
Speaker 1: whatever's gonna work, So here's the camera. That's what I
Speaker 1: think is the direct to consumer modo. Like Mark Cuban,
Speaker 1: who's a good friend of mine, said to me, Bravo
Speaker 1: is it's a streamer for old people, like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's it's it's it's it's archaic
Speaker 1: in a way, and only people who get it like
Speaker 1: you now get it. You can do that too, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna get You don't get that high like you
Speaker 1: do when you do something ye direct to consumers.
Speaker 3: As an artist in general, you are always like you're
Speaker 3: such a fucking kick me when you're an artist, right,
Speaker 3: because it's always like, yes, oh my god, but can
Speaker 3: you watch did you watch my tape? What did you think?
Speaker 3: Was it good? Like it's just this icky, icky energy,
Speaker 3: so desperate, oh desperate.
Speaker 1: That's what I hated up being an actress in La
Speaker 1: No matter what you met someone they asked you what
Speaker 1: you do for a living. You feel like a loser
Speaker 1: by saying it, not because being an actress being a loser,
Speaker 1: but because of being a person working as a hostess
Speaker 1: at a restaurant slinging salads. When you say that, they
Speaker 1: immediately put a label on you, and they know, oh,
Speaker 1: this girl either she's gonna want to sleep with me,
Speaker 1: you can take advantage of her, or I'm gonna want
Speaker 1: to sleep with her, or I gotta do something, or
Speaker 1: she's just another Like, they don't notice you. And even
Speaker 1: if you are a talented the people that already know
Speaker 1: you never notice you even more because they've just put
Speaker 1: you in that bucket over here.
Speaker 2: Oh totally, you know, they only notice the shiny new object. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it. I really just.
Speaker 3: I mean, even like this, I've had meetings with like
Speaker 3: big agencies, with casting directors where I have said things
Speaker 3: where I was like, shit, I would have never said
Speaker 3: that shit two years ago, like I had I'm I'm
Speaker 3: I'm I only have a lawyer right now, I'm kind.
Speaker 2: Of like I did the same thing years ago.
Speaker 3: At this point, I'm like, I'm just I'm looking for
Speaker 3: a team. I have two films coming out this year.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for a team, but I'm not in the
Speaker 3: space anymore where I'm like, who wants to signing me?
Speaker 3: Like I just want to sign. I'm in this point
Speaker 3: where I'm like, listen, I don't give a shit where
Speaker 3: you are. You could be at the biggest agency, you
Speaker 3: could be at a boutique agency. I just want you
Speaker 3: to be stoked about what I do. I want you
Speaker 3: any idea for you. We're perfect, Beth.
Speaker 2: Let me I have an idea when we get done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. It's so funny because two different people
Speaker 1: have asked me from the house will I have spear
Speaker 1: to manage them? And I've said no, And then a
Speaker 1: young influencer with like twenty million followers asked me the same.
Speaker 1: And it's just something that keeps coming up where people
Speaker 1: are asking me and I have different ideas.
Speaker 3: People that don't understand the industry. They look at you
Speaker 3: and they're like, you've been out in LA for a
Speaker 3: really long time, haven't really seen you on anything. They
Speaker 3: don't understand like all of the bullshit we have to
Speaker 3: go through and like the rejection and like how many
Speaker 3: times I get called and it's like you're pinned, or
Speaker 3: you're unproducer desk, or here's a callback where they really
Speaker 3: like you.
Speaker 1: Nothing's worse than a call back that's degrading too and
Speaker 1: you're calling begging for scrappa.
Speaker 2: Wait, what did they say? What exactly? What do I
Speaker 2: wear or what it's de great?
Speaker 3: They don't they don't see that. I mean I had.
Speaker 3: I had a couple of Auguste's ago. I was going
Speaker 3: to be officiating wedding in Vermont and I auditioned for
Speaker 3: a really big role on a really big show across
Speaker 3: from a really big actor. I was the only actor
Speaker 3: that they had called out for this role. I'd been
Speaker 3: in for them a bunch. I had a great relationship
Speaker 3: with them, huge network. They called me in for this role.
Speaker 3: It was like an FBI Asian. It was right up
Speaker 3: my alley. It was great. I'm the only one that
Speaker 3: went out for it. I went out for it. I
Speaker 3: submitted my tape, nailed the fucking tape. My reps call
Speaker 3: me and they were like, listen, you're the only person
Speaker 3: that went out for this. You're gonna get this. And
Speaker 3: I was like okay, And two in two days, I
Speaker 3: was flying out to go officiate this wedding, and I
Speaker 3: remember being like, I'm letting you know if I don't
Speaker 3: have that, Like, I'm on the I'm on the plane,
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to just wait and chill. And
Speaker 3: my Rex called me like the day before and they
Speaker 3: were like, is there any way you can change your flight?
Speaker 3: I really think you're like, you know, I wouldn't just
Speaker 3: say this. They love you, You're gonna get it. And
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, no, until I fucking write my
Speaker 3: name on a paper, I'm not rescheduling. They up cutting.
Speaker 3: They ended up cutting that role.
Speaker 2: So it's like, that's great, separate.
Speaker 3: But people that aren't have no association to Hollywood, they
Speaker 3: don't understand that. They're just like, well, I'm seeing all
Speaker 3: these people on TV. You've been out here for a while,
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck are you doing? So like when
Speaker 3: I posted that video, I was like, damn, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to kind of admit to failure all of this.
Speaker 3: And I've had these successes in between, but it's been like,
Speaker 3: you know, a long time, And I posted that video
Speaker 3: and I got I got reached out by some big agencies,
Speaker 3: some casting directors. I had talked to you right after,
Speaker 3: and then I kind of had this like, well, shit, dude,
Speaker 3: I got a million people on here. I got a
Speaker 3: million people that every day are commenting like what can
Speaker 3: we want you in? What do you have coming out?
Speaker 3: Like we want to support you. We don't know how
Speaker 3: we're not seeing you in things. And that was also
Speaker 3: my validation of I got a million people on here
Speaker 3: that I'm doing. They like what I'm doing?
Speaker 2: Why am I it is a show?
Speaker 3: Why am I not going to use this and utilize this?
Speaker 3: I think it is so stupid that we have this
Speaker 3: mindset that like, oh, if you are an artist, that's
Speaker 3: your brand, like you're an actor, then just be a
Speaker 3: fucking actor. People will take you seriously if you're just
Speaker 3: an actor. It's like, listen, I have a lot of hobbies.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of things that I like. Why
Speaker 3: not monetize all of them?
Speaker 1: So let's do that now, Okay, besides being a stage
Speaker 1: mom to Winston and making that money? Okay, how do
Speaker 1: you monetize this? First couple of questions three par question
Speaker 1: or two part quessions? One who is paying you too?
Speaker 1: I bet you just make money because of you? Is
Speaker 1: not crazy?
Speaker 2: Three? Is it YouTube?
Speaker 1: And for what's your schedule? Like do you seriously, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sit down and do this. Are you just fucking
Speaker 1: around all day? Because I exploded on social media? But
Speaker 1: I'm just fucking around with this is not my primary
Speaker 1: source of saying, come, this is a joke. It was
Speaker 1: a puppet show. I didn't even know that anyone would
Speaker 1: give a shit. I can't even believe what's going on
Speaker 1: and why it happened. But I'm just fucking around. I
Speaker 1: don't have any any process whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I do what I want when I want.
Speaker 1: It has no organization, as you can tell by looking
Speaker 1: at the contents.
Speaker 3: But that's why people love you, right, because you're just
Speaker 3: authentic and you're just you know, it's not a job, right,
Speaker 3: You're just like giving people like whatever you got at
Speaker 3: that moment. I think that's what I try to do
Speaker 3: with my page. I really like. I think I'm in
Speaker 3: a nice position right now. The what also kind of
Speaker 3: pushed me into social media is I couldn't pay my
Speaker 3: rent anymore. I couldn't pay rent. I didn't know what
Speaker 3: I was gonna do. I'm like, I'm not going I
Speaker 3: I don't want to go work. I already did the
Speaker 3: serf's job thing I've done that I don't want to
Speaker 3: do that. I need to do something where like I
Speaker 3: can use my skills. I went to school for broadcast journalism.
Speaker 3: I love writing, I love comedy, I love editing. So
Speaker 3: once I started momentum with him, I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, this could be a really full time job.
Speaker 1: Like if I buckle down and I do this, and
Speaker 1: I did. I you know, years ago, I left the
Speaker 1: agency world. I'm a direct to consumer kind of person.
Speaker 1: I didn't want an agent. So they have my brand
Speaker 1: stuff and a lot of stuff comes in there that
Speaker 1: I do and I don't. I'm not sleeping.
Speaker 3: You know that's smart.
Speaker 2: But I run my own rodeo and they're fine with it.
Speaker 3: That's how you got to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's like.
Speaker 3: He helped me make this media kit and I started doing.
Speaker 3: I started making these like essentially these commercials for brands
Speaker 3: where I would write. So I did all the negotiation,
Speaker 3: I was doing all the contracts, I was doing all
Speaker 3: the admin, all my finances. I became an escorp. Like
Speaker 3: I just was doing all of a sudden kind of
Speaker 3: doing everything overnight. And then I write, I write the
Speaker 3: shot list, I shoot it, I edit it, I produced it.
Speaker 3: Now I have a lawyer, Like it's who does the contract.
Speaker 3: I don't understand what brand for when for when? Any
Speaker 3: brand you can imagine arms, Dogs, Sundays for Dogs, Open Farm,
Speaker 3: Amex be the paramount.
Speaker 1: This is so you're literally this is not I'm not
Speaker 1: making a joke like you're like Winston's business manager.
Speaker 2: I'm being serious with me.
Speaker 3: I've kind of just been like, all right, well, I'll
Speaker 3: just use my page as like fucking around having fun
Speaker 3: doing that, and I'll just monetize him. And now that
Speaker 3: I've been growing, there's obviously been more of an opportunity
Speaker 3: to monetize. So I'm slowly like I accept brand deals,
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more picky about them. They have
Speaker 3: to be in alignment with me because it's my brand,
Speaker 3: so it's more him.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a stupid this is a very
Speaker 1: stupid question, but I have like people who would film it,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Would you ever?
Speaker 1: I'm being serious because my publicist, Jill Fritzo, like the
Speaker 1: guy who works for her, Steve, and I used to
Speaker 1: be like, what's the fucking matter with you? Why don't
Speaker 1: you manage Biggian Small's Like they're below people? Stop me
Speaker 1: on the street, Like I love those fucking dogs. They pee,
Speaker 1: They're seven years old. They won't stop.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 3: I have a rule.
Speaker 1: I can't have rugs anymore, or I have to buy
Speaker 1: a backup rug. I have to have outdoor like a
Speaker 1: whole life. People want to address them, they get sent
Speaker 1: stuff their influencers. They just don't make any money. Would
Speaker 1: you ever manage my dogs? I'll pay I'd pay you
Speaker 1: to like be involved in my dogs. Take that take
Speaker 1: like like they're making my money. Put me on pay wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, and see also, but like no get
Speaker 1: branded deals will come in and then you could you
Speaker 1: would make a lot of the money. Like no one's
Speaker 1: fucking servicing my dogs. I'm being a thousand percent serious.
Speaker 2: Oh I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Why are you not umbrellaing this into your fucking brand?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I just it's in the way
Speaker 1: that you don't know in the this is not a joke,
Speaker 1: in the way that you haven't you know. Something has
Speaker 1: to click, Like it clicked in for you with your dog,
Speaker 1: Like it clicked in, but it didn't click in fully
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: It's fully clicked in for me. I I it took me.
Speaker 1: It took me, well yes, yes, but it took me
Speaker 1: ten years to figure out how to even do a
Speaker 1: post on Instagra, Like I'm not the fact that one
Speaker 1: day I sat down and TikTok went viral. I was like, what, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm bad at social media, so now I gotta I
Speaker 1: don't know how to like and you do voice like
Speaker 1: voices like I want to find the identity of these
Speaker 1: fucking dogs, like.
Speaker 3: Well this that this alone, Like I people think I'm
Speaker 3: wacky as fuck when I like, actually say this out loud.
Speaker 3: This is I work from six am to ten pm,
Speaker 3: all day, all day I am. If I am not
Speaker 3: doing something like acting related or my social related, I'm
Speaker 3: writing a script for him. I'm negotiating a deal for him.
Speaker 1: I'm okay so and I have an idea, so it's
Speaker 1: not a lift. Here's the thing I'm gonna let you do.
Speaker 1: It's called hip pocketing. I'd like you to hip pocket
Speaker 1: my dog's hip pocket. In the industry, you guys is
Speaker 1: like an agent like doesn't want to rep you, but
Speaker 1: they're like hip pocket. You means, if something comes up,
Speaker 1: they'll tell you and you eat. They eat what they kill.
Speaker 2: And I love that.
Speaker 1: Across the board anyway. So I'm asking you, Christina Kirkman,
Speaker 1: in all sincerity, and I have a woman Emily, who
Speaker 1: you know gets paid very well over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a lot of winness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they oh thousands and hundreds, So that I'd like
Speaker 1: you when you talk to these companies like Farmer's Dog
Speaker 1: for example, we are talking to and I love them
Speaker 1: and I love that food. But like, if you talk
Speaker 1: to these companies for Winston, don't don't take. Don't take
Speaker 1: a job's what.
Speaker 3: You're gonna plug you you want to throw them in there, let's.
Speaker 1: For you, But you would negotiate the deal like you would.
Speaker 1: You would, Yeah, you would, you would. You would be
Speaker 1: like the manager of the dogs like and and be
Speaker 1: like I might.
Speaker 2: I have Winston. It's my number one client.
Speaker 1: That's my Tom Cruise, Kevin Evan, and Tom Cruise is
Speaker 1: number one Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, Okay, but Kevin Yvane
Speaker 1: has me over there, Bethany Frankel too, So like Winston
Speaker 1: is Tom Cruise, and begin Smalls are Bethany Frankel. That's
Speaker 1: a big jump, Grant I'm saying. So, like you have
Speaker 1: wins and you're representing Tom cruise in your own thing.
Speaker 1: It's your number one interest. But you've also got this
Speaker 1: new and up and coming duo begin We love.
Speaker 3: The industry loves up and coming too. We can really
Speaker 3: just sprint. You know.
Speaker 1: They're fifteen pounds difference, and they're one litter. They're twins.
Speaker 1: This story hasn't been told.
Speaker 3: Sir, It has not been told. We need to tell
Speaker 3: the story, all right.
Speaker 1: And they weren't in the demo. They were puppies. Now
Speaker 1: they're like, they're like like me, I'm a mom. I
Speaker 1: speak to the mom generation. They speak to the mom
Speaker 1: they're like a middle aged dogs. So anyway, if it
Speaker 1: comes up or you want to write them into a
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you a training company. Someone dare somebody
Speaker 1: to train my dogs. They fucking still pee at seven years.
Speaker 1: They've spent twenty thousand dollars on training them. Because they're training,
Speaker 1: they've already like you can't. What are you gonna do, Beth, Beth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can call me back. One person calls anyway. You
Speaker 1: don't have to feel the pressure. You have a big
Speaker 1: career with Winston. But in the event that something comes
Speaker 1: up and it might be good for that, I got
Speaker 1: you okay, so so anyway back to you, so you're
Speaker 1: more focused on Winston, which I also love, and just just.
Speaker 3: Just listen that. Right now, I feel like I am
Speaker 3: using all of my skills and that makes me feel fulfilled.
Speaker 3: I get the comedy writing, I get the editing, I
Speaker 3: get the production from him for me. I get my
Speaker 3: own personal entertainment. I get the financial I get.
Speaker 2: The like, you know, you're learning business.
Speaker 3: I feel and and yes, and I'm becoming a big like.
Speaker 3: I love hiding behind him. I tell brands off all
Speaker 3: the time through him, of course, right, and.
Speaker 2: I like you a bad cup. Yeah, we'll be a
Speaker 2: good cup at all times. He's in talent.
Speaker 3: But it's nice because I being in this job where
Speaker 3: I don't have to report to anybody. I can pick
Speaker 3: and choose who we work with. And there have been
Speaker 3: some brands that we worked with where were like, I
Speaker 3: don't like how you do business, like we're good, you
Speaker 3: were good. And like being able to be in a
Speaker 3: situation where I'm telling people no is just like so
Speaker 3: fulfilling because as an actor you can't but you don't
Speaker 3: do that. You never like, oh you want me in
Speaker 3: that movie? No, sorry, that's not gonna happen, Like you
Speaker 3: just don't get to do that. When I first came
Speaker 3: out to Los Angeles, or I had been here for
Speaker 3: a while and I was just trying to, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I was just horny for reps. I was just paying anybody,
Speaker 3: you know, and people kept stopping me and they were like,
Speaker 3: are you in voiceover? Like you have such a good voice,
Speaker 3: you should be doing voiceover, And I like only watched
Speaker 3: SpongeBob growing off. I love video games, I love animation.
Speaker 3: I've always loved voiceover. And I submitted to a bigger
Speaker 3: agency just for like anything. At this point, I was
Speaker 3: just like, I don't give a shit. You want to
Speaker 3: write me for fuck whatever? Just can I take a meeting?
Speaker 3: And I was at Trader Joe's and the booth director
Speaker 3: at the time, who ended up being my manager down
Speaker 3: the line, responds and is like, the team loves your
Speaker 3: real Do you have a voiceover reel? We would love
Speaker 3: to meet with you for voices over? Like, have you
Speaker 3: done any voiceover work? Never done a fucking any voiceover work.
Speaker 3: And this story is what gave me the confidence to
Speaker 3: do his shit. I was at Trader Joe's. I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 3: I know the voiceover real. I literally just landed in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles five minutes ago. So I write back and
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have one. I'm out
Speaker 3: right now. Let me send it to you, like when
Speaker 3: I'm home in an hour fucking race home my journalism degree. Like,
Speaker 3: I wrote up a bunch of copy. I faked an
Speaker 3: old Navy commercial, I faked a Bravo intro, I added
Speaker 3: sound effects. I made this like just good reel, sent
Speaker 3: it off, acted like those were all jobs I booked,
Speaker 3: and within thirty minutes, they were like, the team loves you,
Speaker 3: they'd love to meet with you. Walked into a conference
Speaker 3: room of twelve ages.
Speaker 2: So you're you're a doer, You're a go getter.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's my story of taking it till I
Speaker 3: make it