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Speaker 1: My guest today is actress, comedian, and stage mom to

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Speaker 1: a dog Winston, Christina Kirkman. She's best known for her

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Speaker 1: role in the final two seasons of Nickelodeon's All That.

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Speaker 1: These days, fans know Christina from her TikTok videos her

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Speaker 1: dog Winston. My producers didn't even include that because they

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Speaker 1: didn't know about Winston, who's also famous and she has

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Speaker 1: over a million followers.

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Speaker 2: This is just be influenced. Let's get into it. How

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Speaker 2: are you? Where's your doggie? He's literally you're like in

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Speaker 2: your body, He's in your body.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has to be touching to me. He's a

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Speaker 3: bellcrow dog.

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Speaker 2: Wait, his name is Winston. Yeah, and he's famous.

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Speaker 3: He is significantly more famous than I will ever be.

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Speaker 2: So how famous is he?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Does he make?

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Speaker 1: Does he Because I had a dog named Cookie that

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Speaker 1: one year made fifteen thousand dollars because I think Farmer's

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Speaker 1: Dog paid me that year, and I love Farmer's dog

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Speaker 1: or paid Cookie. They didn't pay me paid, they didn't

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Speaker 1: deal with Cookie's manager. But I look at Biggie and

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Speaker 1: Small as they pee, I'm like, you fucking cost me

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Speaker 1: what you don't make one goddamn time.

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Speaker 2: They're so cute. They're little rascals, but like I don't

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Speaker 2: market them. They don't make anything.

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Speaker 3: You got to get them ships working.

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Speaker 2: They're just a drag on the ticket.

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Speaker 3: He fucking carries his weight and then.

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Speaker 2: Son, well he doesn't weigh that much.

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Speaker 3: Will true? But he like I used to joke and

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Speaker 3: be like, all right, dude, you need to like pull

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Speaker 3: your own weight. He he rakes in the checks.

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Speaker 2: Man, So how much money does wins to make a year?

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Speaker 3: He makes six figures?

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Speaker 2: Winston makes six figures.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, this this wow, this dog saved me.

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Speaker 2: Can we see him.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's see him. Yeah, yeah, this is it's raining.

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Speaker 2: So he thought, right, so he doesn't what's he working Winston?

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Speaker 2: What are you working on right now? What is he

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Speaker 2: working on?

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Speaker 3: You got any projects coming? I mean, we've been so

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Speaker 3: lucky that like we work with like a lot of

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Speaker 3: the same brands over and over again, which is like

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Speaker 3: we've developed really good relationships. We work with, you know,

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Speaker 3: like the same dog food brands. We've worked with Amazon

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Speaker 3: several times. We just like have built really good relationships

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Speaker 3: with these brands and it's been a blast just kind

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Speaker 3: of like you know, making commercials for them. I love it.

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Speaker 2: That's on. It's all social media.

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Speaker 3: Too, social media.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so did has he helped your career? Like

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Speaker 1: did he get you into TikTok?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: Christina is a social media influencer. She's very funny, and

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Speaker 1: then you like sort of we're a little against yeah TikTok,

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Speaker 1: and then you like.

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Speaker 2: We're bored.

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Speaker 1: And your career it was blown, was about to escalate

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Speaker 1: and then blew up, and then you got into it.

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Speaker 1: So tell us about like your story and where are

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Speaker 3: Now? I'm from a small town outside of Boston, which

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Speaker 3: is a normal ass kid. I was a gymnast and

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Speaker 3: there was a competition on Nickelodeon called are you all that?

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Speaker 3: The search for the Funniest Kid in America? And I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh I got I gotta enter. And my

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Speaker 3: and do it, and he went downstairs and got the

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Speaker 3: there were all these prompts. You basically had to do

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Speaker 3: a few sketches and then some impersonations and like original content.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So I just like recorded this in my kitchen, didn't

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Speaker 2: How old ten.

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Speaker 3: Okay competition ended up being over ten thousand kids that

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Speaker 3: top one hundred, and they were doing castings like in

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Speaker 3: watching the fucking sassays, right, So like, and most of

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Speaker 3: the kids that were doing the castings were child actors,

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Speaker 3: so like they this this shit was like normal for them.

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Speaker 3: this is this, this might happen. And then from Top

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Speaker 3: fifty to Top five every Friday night they would air

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Speaker 3: I think it was after SpongeBob, they would air like

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Speaker 2: So this was fun, Like it was like an exciting

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Speaker 3: Was no social media, right, so if you wanted to

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Speaker 3: see who was moving on, like everybody had to get

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Speaker 3: together and watch. So we would have these watch parties,

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Speaker 3: and I remember I made top fifty, and then once

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Speaker 3: I remember Top five. I was the last person that

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Speaker 3: was it. I was Top five. The next week, they

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Speaker 3: flew us all to California. I remember landing at LAX.

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Speaker 3: There was like paparazzi, there was the news, like Nickelodeon

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Speaker 3: and I'm like always super outgoing. I'm an only child,

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Speaker 3: like it was nuts.

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Speaker 2: And then you remember it that good now, like you

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Speaker 2: really are Wow.

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Speaker 3: That was like I mean, you know, I'm walking off

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Speaker 3: Top five we had like a bonding week where they

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Speaker 3: my icon was Amanda Bndes. She kind of ended up

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Speaker 2: I just loved her to you met her, you know her?

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Speaker 3: And she was one of the There were three celebrity judges.

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Speaker 3: So we had our bonding experience and then we all

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Speaker 3: Like I've always been the entertainer of my family, but

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Speaker 3: ever have to talk about this again. However, we know

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Speaker 3: just like give it everything. Yeah. So I remember being

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Speaker 3: It was just such a good feel. And at the time,

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Speaker 3: And then we did a live studio audience and Taran

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Speaker 2: So you won and I won.

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Speaker 3: And at this point that hadn't aired yet, right, we did,

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Speaker 3: I was a competitive gymist at the time. My mom

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Speaker 3: I was a series regular on all that, and then

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Speaker 4: It was another It wasn't so crowd and all that

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Speaker 3: So god, I would get swarmed when I would go out.

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Speaker 1: You're very entertaining and it's all really like just your

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Speaker 1: comedy and doing voices and singing and performing and not

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Speaker 1: taking yourself too seriously. Once in a while you throw

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Speaker 2: And is this a side hustle? Is it a hobby?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like you said, I was so

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Speaker 1: That's how many actors feel about reality television, right, right,

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Speaker 3: Dude?

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Speaker 3: I was like four years in. I was like, I can't.

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Speaker 3: Like I had all this shit, and that show saved me.

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Speaker 3: And that show gave me my confidence back because I

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Speaker 2: You are an actor.

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Speaker 1: You could be on a set and no pH Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's funny that you say that the form that it takes,

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Speaker 1: used to say, I was like, I don't I worked

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of you have to make your own scene.

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Speaker 3: You have to make your own you can there hasn't

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Speaker 3: been like for me. The it just became so saturated too,

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Speaker 3: There's just so much. It was such a difficult thing

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Speaker 3: I was like, fucking, I'm going to go ball to

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Speaker 2: Like you say that now, now this is your career.

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Speaker 2: You're a social media influencer.

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Speaker 3: That's this, yes, But my mindset was like, I want

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Speaker 3: I can't only entertain for two jobs a year. I

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Speaker 3: So my thing was, I'll do social media. I'm going

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Speaker 1: But I will say that it's not only waiting around

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Speaker 2: It's even with me. I literally was offered.

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Speaker 1: I'm not exaggerating three TV shows in the last week

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Speaker 1: I will not be going in in a room right now,

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Speaker 1: think is the direct to consumer modo. Like Mark Cuban,

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Speaker 3: As an artist in general, you are always like you're

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Speaker 3: At this point, I'm like, I'm just I'm looking for

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Speaker 2: Let me I have an idea when we get done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. It's so funny because two different people

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Speaker 3: People that don't understand the industry. They look at you

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Speaker 2: wear or what it's de great?

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00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 3: They don't they don't see that. I mean I had.

437
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 3: I had a couple of Auguste's ago. I was going

438
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 3: to be officiating wedding in Vermont and I auditioned for

439
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 3: a really big role on a really big show across

440
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 3: from a really big actor. I was the only actor

441
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 3: that they had called out for this role. I'd been

442
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 3: in for them a bunch. I had a great relationship

443
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: with them, huge network. They called me in for this role.

444
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 3: It was like an FBI Asian. It was right up

445
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 3: my alley. It was great. I'm the only one that

446
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 3: went out for it. I went out for it. I

447
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 3: submitted my tape, nailed the fucking tape. My reps call

448
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 3: me and they were like, listen, you're the only person

449
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 3: that went out for this. You're gonna get this. And

450
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 3: I was like okay, And two in two days, I

451
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 3: was flying out to go officiate this wedding, and I

452
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 3: remember being like, I'm letting you know if I don't

453
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: have that, Like, I'm on the I'm on the plane,

454
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to just wait and chill. And

455
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,239
Speaker 3: my Rex called me like the day before and they

456
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 3: were like, is there any way you can change your flight?

457
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 3: I really think you're like, you know, I wouldn't just

458
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 3: say this. They love you, You're gonna get it. And

459
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, no, until I fucking write my

460
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 3: name on a paper, I'm not rescheduling. They up cutting.

461
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: They ended up cutting that role.

462
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: So it's like, that's great, separate.

463
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 3: But people that aren't have no association to Hollywood, they

464
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,239
Speaker 3: don't understand that. They're just like, well, I'm seeing all

465
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 3: these people on TV. You've been out here for a while,

466
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck are you doing? So like when

467
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: I posted that video, I was like, damn, I'm gonna

468
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: have to kind of admit to failure all of this.

469
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 3: And I've had these successes in between, but it's been like,

470
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 3: you know, a long time, And I posted that video

471
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 3: and I got I got reached out by some big agencies,

472
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 3: some casting directors. I had talked to you right after,

473
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: and then I kind of had this like, well, shit, dude,

474
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 3: I got a million people on here. I got a

475
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 3: million people that every day are commenting like what can

476
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 3: we want you in? What do you have coming out?

477
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 3: Like we want to support you. We don't know how

478
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: we're not seeing you in things. And that was also

479
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: my validation of I got a million people on here

480
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: that I'm doing. They like what I'm doing?

481
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: Why am I it is a show?

482
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: Why am I not going to use this and utilize this?

483
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: I think it is so stupid that we have this

484
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 3: mindset that like, oh, if you are an artist, that's

485
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 3: your brand, like you're an actor, then just be a

486
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: fucking actor. People will take you seriously if you're just

487
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: an actor. It's like, listen, I have a lot of hobbies.

488
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 3: I have a lot of things that I like. Why

489
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: not monetize all of them?

490
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: So let's do that now, Okay, besides being a stage

491
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: mom to Winston and making that money? Okay, how do

492
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: you monetize this? First couple of questions three par question

493
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: or two part quessions? One who is paying you too?

494
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: I bet you just make money because of you? Is

495
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: not crazy?

496
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 2: Three? Is it YouTube?

497
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: And for what's your schedule? Like do you seriously, I'm

498
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: gonna sit down and do this. Are you just fucking

499
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: around all day? Because I exploded on social media? But

500
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm just fucking around with this is not my primary

501
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: source of saying, come, this is a joke. It was

502
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: a puppet show. I didn't even know that anyone would

503
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: give a shit. I can't even believe what's going on

504
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: and why it happened. But I'm just fucking around. I

505
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: don't have any any process whatsoever.

506
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 2: I do what I want when I want.

507
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: It has no organization, as you can tell by looking

508
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: at the contents.

509
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: But that's why people love you, right, because you're just

510
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: authentic and you're just you know, it's not a job, right,

511
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: You're just like giving people like whatever you got at

512
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 3: that moment. I think that's what I try to do

513
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: with my page. I really like. I think I'm in

514
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 3: a nice position right now. The what also kind of

515
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: pushed me into social media is I couldn't pay my

516
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 3: rent anymore. I couldn't pay rent. I didn't know what

517
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: I was gonna do. I'm like, I'm not going I

518
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to go work. I already did the

519
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: serf's job thing I've done that I don't want to

520
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 3: do that. I need to do something where like I

521
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 3: can use my skills. I went to school for broadcast journalism.

522
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: I love writing, I love comedy, I love editing. So

523
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: once I started momentum with him, I was like, oh

524
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: my god, this could be a really full time job.

525
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: Like if I buckle down and I do this, and

526
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: I did. I you know, years ago, I left the

527
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: agency world. I'm a direct to consumer kind of person.

528
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want an agent. So they have my brand

529
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: stuff and a lot of stuff comes in there that

530
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: I do and I don't. I'm not sleeping.

531
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: You know that's smart.

532
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: But I run my own rodeo and they're fine with it.

533
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 3: That's how you got to do it.

534
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's like.

535
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: He helped me make this media kit and I started doing.

536
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: I started making these like essentially these commercials for brands

537
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 3: where I would write. So I did all the negotiation,

538
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 3: I was doing all the contracts, I was doing all

539
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: the admin, all my finances. I became an escorp. Like

540
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: I just was doing all of a sudden kind of

541
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: doing everything overnight. And then I write, I write the

542
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: shot list, I shoot it, I edit it, I produced it.

543
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: Now I have a lawyer, Like it's who does the contract.

544
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't understand what brand for when for when? Any

545
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: brand you can imagine arms, Dogs, Sundays for Dogs, Open Farm,

546
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: Amex be the paramount.

547
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: This is so you're literally this is not I'm not

548
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: making a joke like you're like Winston's business manager.

549
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm being serious with me.

550
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: I've kind of just been like, all right, well, I'll

551
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: just use my page as like fucking around having fun

552
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: doing that, and I'll just monetize him. And now that

553
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: I've been growing, there's obviously been more of an opportunity

554
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: to monetize. So I'm slowly like I accept brand deals,

555
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more picky about them. They have

556
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: to be in alignment with me because it's my brand,

557
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: so it's more him.

558
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a stupid this is a very

559
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: stupid question, but I have like people who would film it,

560
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: et cetera.

561
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: Would you ever?

562
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm being serious because my publicist, Jill Fritzo, like the

563
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: guy who works for her, Steve, and I used to

564
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: be like, what's the fucking matter with you? Why don't

565
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: you manage Biggian Small's Like they're below people? Stop me

566
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: on the street, Like I love those fucking dogs. They pee,

567
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: They're seven years old. They won't stop.

568
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: I can't.

569
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: I have a rule.

570
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: I can't have rugs anymore, or I have to buy

571
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: a backup rug. I have to have outdoor like a

572
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: whole life. People want to address them, they get sent

573
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: stuff their influencers. They just don't make any money. Would

574
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: you ever manage my dogs? I'll pay I'd pay you

575
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: to like be involved in my dogs. Take that take

576
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: like like they're making my money. Put me on pay wrong,

577
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, and see also, but like no get

578
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: branded deals will come in and then you could you

579
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: would make a lot of the money. Like no one's

580
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: fucking servicing my dogs. I'm being a thousand percent serious.

581
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Oh I'll tell you.

582
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: Why are you not umbrellaing this into your fucking brand?

583
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I just it's in the way

584
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: that you don't know in the this is not a joke,

585
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: in the way that you haven't you know. Something has

586
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: to click, Like it clicked in for you with your dog,

587
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: Like it clicked in, but it didn't click in fully

588
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: for you.

589
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: It's fully clicked in for me. I I it took me.

590
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: It took me, well yes, yes, but it took me

591
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: ten years to figure out how to even do a

592
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: post on Instagra, Like I'm not the fact that one

593
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: day I sat down and TikTok went viral. I was like, what, Like,

594
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: I'm bad at social media, so now I gotta I

595
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: don't know how to like and you do voice like

596
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: voices like I want to find the identity of these

597
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: fucking dogs, like.

598
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: Well this that this alone, Like I people think I'm

599
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: wacky as fuck when I like, actually say this out loud.

600
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: This is I work from six am to ten pm,

601
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: all day, all day I am. If I am not

602
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: doing something like acting related or my social related, I'm

603
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: writing a script for him. I'm negotiating a deal for him.

604
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm okay so and I have an idea, so it's

605
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: not a lift. Here's the thing I'm gonna let you do.

606
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: It's called hip pocketing. I'd like you to hip pocket

607
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: my dog's hip pocket. In the industry, you guys is

608
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: like an agent like doesn't want to rep you, but

609
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: they're like hip pocket. You means, if something comes up,

610
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: they'll tell you and you eat. They eat what they kill.

611
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: And I love that.

612
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: Across the board anyway. So I'm asking you, Christina Kirkman,

613
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: in all sincerity, and I have a woman Emily, who

614
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: you know gets paid very well over here.

615
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a lot of winness.

616
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they oh thousands and hundreds, So that I'd like

617
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: you when you talk to these companies like Farmer's Dog

618
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: for example, we are talking to and I love them

619
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: and I love that food. But like, if you talk

620
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: to these companies for Winston, don't don't take. Don't take

621
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: a job's what.

622
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: You're gonna plug you you want to throw them in there, let's.

623
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: For you, But you would negotiate the deal like you would.

624
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: You would, Yeah, you would, you would. You would be

625
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: like the manager of the dogs like and and be

626
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: like I might.

627
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: I have Winston. It's my number one client.

628
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: That's my Tom Cruise, Kevin Evan, and Tom Cruise is

629
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: number one Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, Okay, but Kevin Yvane

630
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: has me over there, Bethany Frankel too, So like Winston

631
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: is Tom Cruise, and begin Smalls are Bethany Frankel. That's

632
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: a big jump, Grant I'm saying. So, like you have

633
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: wins and you're representing Tom cruise in your own thing.

634
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: It's your number one interest. But you've also got this

635
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: new and up and coming duo begin We love.

636
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: The industry loves up and coming too. We can really

637
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: just sprint. You know.

638
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: They're fifteen pounds difference, and they're one litter. They're twins.

639
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: This story hasn't been told.

640
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: Sir, It has not been told. We need to tell

641
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 3: the story, all right.

642
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: And they weren't in the demo. They were puppies. Now

643
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: they're like, they're like like me, I'm a mom. I

644
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: speak to the mom generation. They speak to the mom

645
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: they're like a middle aged dogs. So anyway, if it

646
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: comes up or you want to write them into a

647
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you a training company. Someone dare somebody

648
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: to train my dogs. They fucking still pee at seven years.

649
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: They've spent twenty thousand dollars on training them. Because they're training,

650
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: they've already like you can't. What are you gonna do, Beth, Beth, Yeah,

651
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Speaker 1: you can call me back. One person calls anyway. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to feel the pressure. You have a big

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Speaker 1: career with Winston. But in the event that something comes

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Speaker 1: up and it might be good for that, I got

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Speaker 1: you okay, so so anyway back to you, so you're

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Speaker 1: more focused on Winston, which I also love, and just just.

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Speaker 3: Just listen that. Right now, I feel like I am

658
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: using all of my skills and that makes me feel fulfilled.

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00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: I get the comedy writing, I get the editing, I

660
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: get the production from him for me. I get my

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Speaker 3: own personal entertainment. I get the financial I get.

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Speaker 2: The like, you know, you're learning business.

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Speaker 3: I feel and and yes, and I'm becoming a big like.

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Speaker 3: I love hiding behind him. I tell brands off all

665
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Speaker 3: the time through him, of course, right, and.

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Speaker 2: I like you a bad cup. Yeah, we'll be a

667
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: good cup at all times. He's in talent.

668
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Speaker 3: But it's nice because I being in this job where

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Speaker 3: I don't have to report to anybody. I can pick

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Speaker 3: and choose who we work with. And there have been

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Speaker 3: some brands that we worked with where were like, I

672
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Speaker 3: don't like how you do business, like we're good, you

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Speaker 3: were good. And like being able to be in a

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Speaker 3: situation where I'm telling people no is just like so

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Speaker 3: fulfilling because as an actor you can't but you don't

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Speaker 3: do that. You never like, oh you want me in

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Speaker 3: that movie? No, sorry, that's not gonna happen, Like you

678
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Speaker 3: just don't get to do that. When I first came

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Speaker 3: out to Los Angeles, or I had been here for

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Speaker 3: a while and I was just trying to, like, you know,

681
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Speaker 3: I was just horny for reps. I was just paying anybody,

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Speaker 3: you know, and people kept stopping me and they were like,

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Speaker 3: are you in voiceover? Like you have such a good voice,

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Speaker 3: you should be doing voiceover, And I like only watched

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Speaker 3: SpongeBob growing off. I love video games, I love animation.

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Speaker 3: I've always loved voiceover. And I submitted to a bigger

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Speaker 3: agency just for like anything. At this point, I was

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Speaker 3: just like, I don't give a shit. You want to

689
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Speaker 3: write me for fuck whatever? Just can I take a meeting?

690
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Speaker 3: And I was at Trader Joe's and the booth director

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Speaker 3: at the time, who ended up being my manager down

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Speaker 3: the line, responds and is like, the team loves your

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Speaker 3: real Do you have a voiceover reel? We would love

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Speaker 3: to meet with you for voices over? Like, have you

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Speaker 3: done any voiceover work? Never done a fucking any voiceover work.

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Speaker 3: And this story is what gave me the confidence to

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Speaker 3: do his shit. I was at Trader Joe's. I'm like, fuck,

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Speaker 3: I know the voiceover real. I literally just landed in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles five minutes ago. So I write back and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have one. I'm out

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Speaker 3: right now. Let me send it to you, like when

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Speaker 3: I'm home in an hour fucking race home my journalism degree. Like,

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Speaker 3: I wrote up a bunch of copy. I faked an

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Speaker 3: old Navy commercial, I faked a Bravo intro, I added

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Speaker 3: sound effects. I made this like just good reel, sent

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Speaker 3: it off, acted like those were all jobs I booked,

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Speaker 3: and within thirty minutes, they were like, the team loves you,

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Speaker 3: they'd love to meet with you. Walked into a conference

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Speaker 3: room of twelve ages.

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Speaker 2: So you're you're a doer, You're a go getter.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's my story of taking it till I

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Speaker 3: make it